My E92 M3 EXPLODED! S65 Total Engine Failure
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Nightmare coming true....Are S65s really this unreliable or is this just bad luck? Maybe this is why BMW ditched the V8. It was running and driving so well until all of a sudden......
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The same thing happened to Speed Academy! they did a rod bearing replacement and the car had catastrophic failure miles later. Probably has to do with tolerances of new bearings.
Thank you too. But, didn't this engine got some "reward" of "engine of the year" ??? Than what's This ??? I Know, that Any V-engines Are Bad 4 maintenance costs + Worse fuel consumption , ... so, i Avoid them as Much as Possible ... Thanks 4 the video.
Well time to become a lot more familiar with the M539 Restorations channel, he did an S65 rebuild about 4 months ago. I'm sure he will be happy to help point to the right sponsor and people who know what is needed. You've got this just like all your other big projects.
100% Sreten is the man to call.
His videos are awesome
exactly what i said few videos back. :D
Literally step by step bro is a goat. I would have that series playing in the background while WFH
Could not agree more, Sreten, the guy that runs the channel knows BMW's like his own pocket. Absolutely love his videos
Dang! That Cylinder looked like the inside of a blender 😂
Hahahaha yes
I mean it’s not funny but kinda is😂
bro dropped the hardest intro to cylinder #3 😭
😂😂😂😂
You should reach out to “I Do Cars” as he has several and would probably be happy to tear yours down for one of his videos to figure out what happened. Win/win!
Definitely do this!
This was my first thought, also. Great minds think alike!
+3
Where is he located?
@@matt13ross Missouri
This is your opportunity for RUclips growth! People love schadenfreude! Take it out and pull it apart and go completely Sreten on it!
Sreten @M539Restorations knows a lot about this engine. Maybe he can give you a heads up.
Ah yes, the BMW goat himself Sreten
His e60 m5 has 260,000km on it and runs mint! (Might be due to him doing a bottom end rebuild)
Positive spin on it!
After looking in the cylinder, I had to pick my jaw back up from the ground.
Same!
Me too 🤣
After watching M539 and what he went thru with trying to rebuild these engines (the V8 and V10s) this is probably gonna involve a new one. That block is toast. That sucks bro.
You can fit cast iron sleeves to these blocks
I absolutely loved my e90 M3 - maybe the best driving car I’ve ever had. But man - this video made me glad I sold it. I lived in dread of a rod-bearing issue that would trigger a repair I couldn’t afford.
LS-Swap: Financial sense.
S65 rebuild: AUDIENCE SENSE!
Good luck, Matt! 👍😁👍
Another s65 will just blow up again.
S85 swap 😈
@@CharlesExtrom One lump of crap for another🤣
@@greebuh there is a reason, bearing design, clearance etc
@@oldfashionedwrx3574 Doesn't change the fact that they are crap and go out after 30k miles. I wouldn't expect Subie to think engines can go past 30k before they need a rebuild, though. Engine bearings should last hundreds of thousands of miles. My 500hp Lexus has over 150k miles on it and will smoke the shit out of either of those trash Bimmers and needed a rebuild.
Seems like this was a problem in timing. This engine has hydraulic timing tensioners, and if one gets stuck due to varnish / not being serviced regularly, they let off the tension and your valves can skip timing. That weird sound you were hearing before could be chain slapping the tensioner or rattling about. If you're thinking about rebuilding this engine, probably the best place to learn is M539 Restorations channel. He hand built this baby on camera with all the torque specs and proper factory procedures, a real goldmine of information. I really hope this won't mean you're selling the car, because this is a great car for the channel!
Damn man thanks for this info
Agree.
Also the nikasil doesnt look good con some cylinder walls.
That wine voucher used to come with every ECS tuning order 😂
Yup lol
Still does
I'm so sorry this happened to you. These are such fun cars to own and drive, but all that joy is easily taken away when reliability gets in the way. I hope you're able to figure it out. Let's hope it's a blessing in disguise and helps your channel grow! (First time I'm seeing your channel was being reccomended this video).
Hopefully it helps me grow!
Why Matt only has 70K subs is beyond me and its very irritating. Dude is one of the very best on RUclips and deserves a much better following
Best car channel on YT
Same with a dude called Chris Sullivan
@@ohb7517 TOTALLY AGREE
Agreed!!! Greetings from the Netherlands
Agreed he’ll get there if he keeps going
Sorry to see Matt :( Love your content and sorry to say... really looking forward to seeing where this BMTroubleyou takes you and your channel... good luck!
I had the Rod bearings done on my E90 M3 after a ton of research. I fortunately was steered in the direction of experts who advised that rod bearing replacement isn't a straight forward job if you do it correctly, as in, measure for wear and tear as sometimes you may need to use different size bearings. Also, it has been determined that the main bearings wear out at a similar rate so they should be replaced as well when doing the rod bearings. After having both done, I am so pleased for the peace of mind very time I drive the car. It's my daily and I love it. If you go for a quality rebuild, you'll have the same peace of mind and will experience this awesome car for yourself.
C'est mon daily aussi mais j'ai les actionneurs de papillon en panne électronique.
Je pense qu'en ville il s'abîme plus vite que prévu .
I learned this before with my e46 m3. A cheap m3 is an expensive m3 and this proves it 😂
Very true! But good video content.
There is nothing more expensive then a cheap BMW lol.
Sure there is, a cheap Porsche lol
Cheap Ferraris are even more expensive! :)
Same with my cheap e46 m3 melted a piston right after purchase but i will still get profit if i sell because it was so cheap
absolutely in love with the m3 e92 restoration series, its the thing that brought me to your channel, watching these videos is oddly relaxing and satisfying in some way. Id love to see this e92 running, best of luck
First time watcher here 😳 And I thought my day was bad.. Just subbed, hoping to see BIG things from you. Nice Porsches too
Love Saturday morning Matt Ross uploads!
Glad you like them!
Im a GenX who owned 11 BMWs in my life. Whenever I heard an engine noise, I stopped the car and towed it to the dealer. It was an expensive hobby. 😅
Videos like this make me appreciate my ol faithful E92 328i even more
Shut uo
@@memeseller1706Ooo someone’s rod bearings blew
Your videos are so great! Keep them coming!!
Thank you! Will do!
Always liked this model! Looking forward to your upcoming vids!
That’s an extremely strange failure. Haven’t seen anything like that and I’m a pretty dedicated lurker on the forums
The same thing happened to Speed Academy! they did a rod bearing replacement and the car had catastrophic failure miles later. Probably has to do with tolerances of new bearings.
No it was a main bearing failure it’s becoming a common failure point but owners would rather keep their head in the sand
Love the content - cool project!
Sorry to see Matt
Rod bearing spun most likely. Be good to see the bottom end too. Great channel Matt, love the Porsche build too👍👍
Probably crankshaft was too worn and would not accept new bearings. This is common when changing bearings through the oil pan without measuring the crankshaft. Look "BMW M3E92 - Wybuchł Silnik Dlaczego ???- Grupa Rajdowy Felix", he's got same isue in e92 after rod bearings change. The piston looks also the same.
or even those wack jobs from Canada ...Speed Academy ...engine shat out a rod right after a sump method rod bearing replacement.
@@danielcgomez For speed academy, I think their main bearings failed
@@FailofWar127 nope ...it was the no.1 rod bearing that spun.
@@danielcgomez Nope, FailofWar127 was right, No1 mains bearing failed (see their video at 16.36) which in turn took out the rod bearings.
@@Assimilator1 Thanks, I stand corrected ...I wonder if the Bearing failed due to the usual timing chain loading?
I use to watch ya e36 vids while ago, I’m back for the e92 g/l and keep entertaining us. Also nice truck and Porsches
Its 3rd s65 that goes BOOM BOOM on YT in recent months,first one was SpeedAcademy. the fun fact was peter said "OH what a motor!" and a second after that engine gave up,2nd one was M539 restoration, and 3rd one is yours.
There is also a big German RUclipsr called JP Performance, his E92 M3 also blew up on him 😂😂😂
Didn’t M539 buy it already broken?
Make it 5 now ruclips.net/video/WuXVC3nwGg8/видео.htmlsi=P6Jznfe4-D0tNZot
Yes M539 bought his m3 with a broken crankshaft
Maybe it's intentional....
That sucks dude. Hope you get great content from this if nothing else. Keep up the outstanding work.
Hope so too!
One of the best editing channels on RUclips keep it up
Appreciate that thanks!
This is the main reason I am staying away from gettin a e92 M3 but man they do sound beautiful and look amazing
Hope you find a quick and economical solution. A subscriber from the other side of the world. Good luck and chin up.
Thank you very much!
I honestly did not expect the cylinder to look like that! That’s pretty gnarly oh my gosh.
Dang, Matt, tough issue with the Bimmer!
Even at that, great editing and I loved the suspense prior to revealing piston 3 - well played! :)
Thanks!
Speed academy also did their rod bearings and the motor popped like a week later, i guess if you diy it make sure you get the right bearing and make sure the torque specs are accurate
Didn't the car they work on had a main bearing failure?
That car had problems already from the jump, probably a main bearing failure and previous owner abuse.
Vanos system
And the timing
You should do it before you go for a drive or test it before
Even with the new engine change the vanos and the timing it is always a good idea to for these motors
No, S65 has dual vanos which rarely ever fails. S65 also uses hydraulic lifters, so no need for valve adjustment…and zero reason to ever reset timing unless you replace plastic OEM vanos covers with metal washers.
Hang in there Matt. It’s upward from here. At least you know what happened. Things will work out.
You have some slight form of bore score in 2 silinders. I would personally rebuild, if the crank (it probably will if the bottom half of the rod is still on there) is ok it is salvagable. Sure it takes time and money but you'll learn a lot from it.
You could hear the engine rattling on start up at the 56 second mark. Weird because the inside of the engine looked super clean in your previous video
Pretty sure this is totally normal for S65 starting up. If it's not, then... ah fk... cos mine does that if I haven't started it up for a day or two.
Probably a tensioner pumping up
Welp....can't say I expected to see that sorta carnage. Wow. Very curious to know what caused it.
Nice Garage you have there
It's small lol
That sucks but it happens no matter the brand. I have a e46 m3 for 12 years no issues I do all work and keep up on maintenance. I will doing a full coolant system refresh here this summer
RUclipsrs made the S65 and S85 engine trending on rod bearings issue, You should check the forums on the S62 engine and the dreaded carbon build up it was like a virus that at the end of reading the threads u would feel u might have a carbon build up issue…This type of engine issue became a plague up to this day, which begs the question that ive been meaning to find out as to how many engine failure these engines have that was caused by rod bearings? and not user error because ive only seen deep scouring on a handful but no bent rods or engine failure. Ive owned and still own M cars and have them all boosted with all stock internals. Per my experience for this specific engine i had the VF and The ESS supercharger on my e92 and can't complain and didn't mess with the rod bearings or whatsoever. I think the key on the cars is first read manual i know its boring but BMW didnt just produce the manual just to look proper and cute at the same time. Proper warmup is key i mean it should be on top of ur list. At the end day i'd say get an oil analysis from blackstone first should be in order, next would be compression and the usual suspects on checking the health of the engine before doing the surgery on something not needed to begin with. I hate to say this and sympathize as well but my verdict is user error.
Btw before i forget make sure ur tools are up to spec specially torque wrench and example would be just simply dropping this tools can mess their calibration. And as car enthusiast to another… my advice is to "Treat every build as if it is ur last and always be positive it will help u greatly not just in building ur dreams cars but in life in general" Hope to see the rebuild, learn from it and make it better" Good luck
This is such retarded levels of copium to defend a shit design from BMW.
It's a shit design, just like b6/b7 Audi S4 plastic timing chain tensioners and early c63 head bolt. A shit design is a shit design.
Idk why people defend these piece of shit s65 and s85 engines. BMW is all about the inline six cylinder anyways.
M539 Restorations Can Absolutely Help Guide you if you go the rebuild route
Holyy I didnt expect that much carnage in one cylinder
Great channel! Coyote swsp would be awesome! It would fit the personality of the car better than an LS.
You had warnning sounds n ignored em
Yes
well that piston pistoff
Future Matt Ross scolding Past Matt Ross is fun. Great video as usual and cheers !
Haha thanks!
Hey first time watcher 👋 legit felt your pain as I watched 😨
Thanks for tuning in! Engine coming out soon
I'm gonna go with main bearing failure! I love your videos and this project. i hope you can find a new engine!
Fingers crossed!
I think it’s understood, now, why you’ve seen more views on these vids! This was probably expected by a lot of viewers. You got this, though!
That ticking at the front is water pump mine sounds same.
I've never seen failure like that just come out of nowhere, not without boost. 😂 It could be anything. Rough luck buddy. Coyote swap it, because everyone does ls swap, then just toss the plastics back on top, nobody will ever know. 😂😳
Same thing happened to me on my s65 with 50k miles on it only 4 months ago. Same exact cylnder. If you don’t torque the rod bearing bolts the right way they come loose and this happens. New engine $15k+ for a healthy one..
Speed academy also had their s65 e90 pop after not long, people who diy it often screw things up and wonder why their motor pops not long after
I torqued them to spec with new rod bolts
Daaaaaamn, piston nuggets!
Keep us posted please looking forward to solutions
Man o man 😮 dude can’t catch a break with the “ Beamer “ 😅😅 bad for Matt .. good for us viewers 😂😂😂😂👍💯🙌
Hahahahaha
Sorry Matt. That truly sucks. Maybe consider an LS swap. I'm only half-joking. Cheaper, much more reliable, lighter, can build tremendous power . . . and did I mention cheaper?
And half the redline
boring
you’re 14 huh
You can rev LS to 7000 without much issue. More power cheaper and more reliable. So......
@@matt13ross do it
Sorry to see this. Know the pain all too well! Don't know whether it's just me, but I am fairly certain you can hear rod knock when you first started it after fitting the exhaust in the intro?
The engine has been making odd noises since I got it lol.
Oh Man.... I feel your pain... But if everything you bought was perfect... where would your channel be! Good luck, and I'm double subscribed now!
Double sub thanks!!! Haha
Just started watching, and damn man sorry. Could it be Timing chain guides?
Chu papi
Timing chain guides have never failed on an s65 engine in history
@@user-eu9ub8kj9j a very quick search on any bmw forum, or search engine like google will say otherwise... The original comment was also a quick question since we aren't there to experience it in person.
@@user-eu9ub8kj9j a quick search on any forum, or a search engine will say otherwise. The original comment was also a question since we're not there in person.
@@user-eu9ub8kj9j @user-eu9ub8kj9j a quick search on any forum, or a search engine will say otherwise. The original comment was also a question since we're not there in person.
If you can rebuild this engine, perfect opportunity for a 4.4 stroker kit!!
Gonna be very tough - that Cylinder needs sleeving at the least and you gotta pray the damage doesn't extend all the way to the bottom so the sleeve has a lip to sit on.
@@yalkhazali71 I honestly don’t think that engine can be saved. That block will do a great job as a center table on a living room!!
Ah no bro. Thats hurts
That first start up rattle 😮
Stick to Porsche, I left BMW a long time ago.
Wots wrong with b..bring..m..mechanic..w..with?They reliable if u dnt go spinning, like in South Africa, if u do rip beemer!🤷🤷😬🙈🙈🙈👎👁👁💀💀💀💀
You mean volkswagen.
A BMW dealership mechanic told me that they're great cars, but when the factory warranty runs out, so should you.
meh, I've had one since 2008. Insanely reliable car, no joke.
The problem with those cars you know what is it?
BAD OWNERS
My guess is that timing readjusted coming back home so you didn't hear it until you drove it again. Sounds like it broke timing tbh, but hopefully you'll make a video and we'll see!! Something small definitely worked it's way into something bigger really fast though, sorry to hear this man!
Could be a lot of different variants. I’d guess perhaps fuel injector stuck open on cyl 7 (if I’m not mistaken )and washed down all the oil. Or crankshaft was too worn.
Oooh, that hurts.
I admit to chuckling a little, couldn’t help it, that was chewed up real good.
Thinking is it worth the big Resto, body paint etc…
You won’t get your money back but you could have a great driver for life.
This is the perfect moment for that coin flip decision, cut losses now or throw money by the wheelbarrow at it….😊
Should have filmed your wife's reaction to the news lol
Hahaha
This was painful to see! Hope to hear what the cause was, new to the channel but happily own a problem free e92 m3 stock let it warm up before every drive and it has 102k on the clock. Never had any issues fingers crossed. I would never do rods myself mostly because I would fuck it up. Much respect.
It certainly seems like it was a problem that had been growing since before. I had the same car for several years and had issues with the rod bearings sticking.
But I caught it early.
Damn man. That really sucks!
You should take advantage of that misfortune and turn it into something good. Put in the BMW V10 engine from the M5.
Something good??? 😂😂😂 He'd need 2 more rod bearings. The more pistons the worse it is to fix
@e39lover73 ok, so in your opinion no pistons are better. Then nothing will break. Great idea.
@@JC.LC. yeah that's true 🤣 but no, I mean the high reving V8 is already good, and assuming the ending is still ik decent shape all it should need is a new piston, crank, and either a head or sleeves. Depends how bad it was. Would be worth spending time 2-3k fixing that than a whole 8k for and drivetrain swap with a custom driveshaft and all that
@e39lover73 maybe. But he has a youtube channel, and he would get more views and people interested and not mentioning better performance by changing the engine for the V10.
@@JC.LC. the views part is true for sure, the performance wouldn't be all that crazy if a difference, the V10s weighed a significant amount more. But I won't lie it would be a cool custom one off swap
Time to check out the GM engine conversion kits. Thats got to be a much cheaper route than a used engine of the same type and troubled history. Good luck!
😪 boring. Also these engines don’t have that much of a troubled history. The only major thing is changing out the rod bearings. Otherwise it’s just old plastic that can break and just send the car into limp mode. Also this v8 makes the car what it is, if he’s going to ls swap it he should’ve bought a different bmw like a 335i with a blown engine
@@brokeq50boi80 good points so let's see what he does. A used engine isn't going to come cheap. Lots to consider here.
@@TomHamilton-rg7cp yeah there is a lot of engines to consider. I personally think the tt v8 from the newer m5’s would be unique. Also it’d still technically have a BMW heart. It’d just be a shame to buy one of these now increasingly rare v8 m3’s just to swap the engine out. I just wish the motors for these cars weren’t an arm and a leg brand new
My condolences.. :(
Being that the rod bearings were just replaced, I was leaning towards a VANOS issue for that noise. But I’m not sure that would cause a piston to detonate like that. Possibly something VANOS failure related ran through the engine and blocked oil flow to that rod bearing, then it let go due to oil starvation. Interested to see what the crank bearings look like. Good luck!
Vanos doesnt fail on s65’s unless its the plastic cover on the end of the cam, vanos failure was only a thing on early s85’s not s65’s
Possibly they used silicone to reseal the engine after rod bearing change. They used too much-> excess silicone magically ended up in the oil squirter which caused the failed cylinder to detonate due too lack of cooling. Possibly also the reason why the other cyl 4 driver side had scoring because of lack of cooling-> too much thermal expansion-> scoring.
@@user-eu9ub8kj9j it’s rare, but happened to my neighbour.
No silicone used by me!
Pushing a car, in rain and in crocks was a humanizing bit of character development! Yikes that cylinder is hamburger
Hahaha, thanks!
Upper rod bearing failure, caused the piston to fall too far in the cylinder bore, rings then hit the sleeve stopping the piston, rod then went through the piston causing the damage you’ve got.
Bearing inspection next. How far down the line is that rod bearing from the oil pump? It wasn’t knocking so I’m real curious. Locked up wrist pin would be my guess.
There was white smoke coming from the exhaust tips. Clear sign you were burning oil.
If I saw this video before hunting for a good spec E93 I probably wouldnt have gone on the adventure. Fortunately I saw too many awesome S65 YT vids and did it. A lot of PM money but finally got it in near show room condition. Sorry for your loss- Mine had the bearings done a year/8,000miles ago and still has a full warranty until 100K. Its not on the market but if someone throws 65G in my face *maybe ill take it. Really curious what you find out as for the cause- If I had to guess Vanos related or the bearings didnt take.
When you showed cylinder 3, my jaw dropped🫣
omg sorry bro sucks bad!!! Try to find a b7 rs4 ❤ mine 4 yrs only had to put coils on it . Very reliable cars
Startup with new exhaust at 0:55, first seconds running sounds very like a beginning rod knock.. if that sound is heard, might as well trash it cause theres no saving from once youve heard that.
It's made that sound since I got it.
I like how are you so clam after what you discovered. I wouldn’t be able to hold it together. Especially if I’ve just bought it. If I remember correctly, these engines are prone to rod bearing failures? Am I correct in guessing that’s what it was?
I wonder if if it jumped timing and shared a valve off which caused the piston to explode taking the rest of the engine out on the way down I have had many of these engines and the only time I’ve had them fail is when it has been Rod bearing related I did notice in your clip when you started it there was quite loud rattle for a few seconds while oil pressure was building and this could’ve been a bad timing chain so it would be interesting to see if it is actually jumped timing The loud rattle could also have been lower oil pressure or a lazy oil pump theory of course
I loved that S65. First ever and last ever V8 M3. Last ever NA M3. Such a beautiful car, and I thought nothing was going to be better than the e46 M3 for me. Made me so sad to see that vitamix in that beautiful engine. Best of luck to you!
I owned an '11 M3 with an S65 than seized up on an off ramp. It had 38k miles and was classic rod bearing failure. Covered under CPO but I didn't keep it long after they put a replacement engine in. Hopefully the aftermarket has developed a full proof solution to this issue.
No full proof stuff. Just replacements every 80k miles or so. Sad
My advice would be with every car that hasn’t ran in a long time and you are not familiar with the history of it, do a compression test! With most engine blocks it is not that much work to reach the spark plugs. I won’t say that this would have prevented the engine malfunction but if it would make that much compression, and you would enter the cilinder with the camera, you would already see some damage and possibly prevent further damage! However nice car! Hope to buy one myself to restore it
looks like the piston shattered first, i guess you will find out when you take it apart
Nice vid. Cylinder number 4 driver side was defo not fine. S65 is made from alusil and the bores need to be smooth smooth. Thats also why you cant see cross hatching, since its not meant to have it. Piston could have exploded because of many reason. Maybe unsufficient lubrication from the oil squirter causing too much heat. Maybe stuck valve and piston flew in there... Also, if you dont want the engine, you can send it to me lol :)
Thanks for the info!
I heard the knock on start up after you did the exhaust start up 😢before pulling out of the garage
It's made that noise since I got it lol
Someone needs to make a Coyote
swap kit for these. Already is a LS
swap kit for E92 but the Coyote is
closer to S65 high revving nature.
High revving LS??
maybe spun a rod bearing allowing the piston to rattle in the bore and hit the valves
Wow, looks like the big end bolts weren't tight on that rod.....ooooooops