The TERF AI Social Media App
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What happens when capitalism, AI, and gender-critical transphobia meet? You get a TERF app. And it's... also racist?
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as a cis girl i can’t personally get over “giggle (noun): a group of girls”. it feels like something on a hobby lobby sign a millennial mom would buy for her baby’s nursery.
oddly specific
but also
oddly true
LIVE LAUGH LOVE
@@JenSell1626 hey that's a hard one to remember so I can understand it. Plus I need to put up a sign in my home that says "just breathe" or I suffocate
the gigglepod
You think a Millennial wouldn't find that sexist?
People who refer to women as "females" outside of discussions of biology are some of the worst creeps.
yeah i used to be one of those guys that never understood why women were complaining about being called “females” until I saw one of those manosphere guys was like “ThEse *FeMalaes* don’t know how to yada yada misogyn” and i could feel my skin crawling from the cringe yikes 😬
saying “females” or “males” just feels like you’re referring to either group as just an animal, or a thing. it’s so creepy honestly, ESPECIALLY when it comes up in conversations about dating.
@@saspitite Absolutely. There's a case to be made about the terms being used as like "male gender"/"female gender" but that's still very... "clinical" and more technical language than most conversations on the topic need to be.
I sometimes use it for “female vs. male athlete” because we don’t have a nicer way of saying it without it being long-winded. “Athlete that is a man/woman”
I’ll usually say women’s sport or men’s sports. It’s just for the individual athlete. I’d like to unlearn/learn a new way of seeing that.
I wish we had more co-Ed sports
@@BlackTestament wait until you see us called “femoids” 🤣🤣
Justice for the cis girls with broad shoulders and narrow hips 🙏 turns out womanhood isn't defined by arbitrary body measurements
based
Hell yea! Liberation from gender roles includes cis people.
@@solsystem1342 can i eat the gender roles? im a little hungry.
@@Rebirth._ go ahead
As someone who shops in the men's section for coats, shoes, and gloves, hard agree.
"We made a non-misogynistic chat app for women!"
"Cool! What's it called?"
"Giggle!"
They do realize the irony, right?
XD I know, right!
@@mrkiky bro doesnt understand how power structures work
They’re also using a keyhole as their symbol and im pretty sure i could write an essay on the twisted irony of that.
@@mrkiky Good Lord you are pure cringe
@@mrkiky projecting so hard that you could display PowerPoint projects
One of the craziest things about her app idea is the assumption that preventing men from joining will create an app without misogynistic abuse. That's uh... overly optimistic. An app full of women will still be people arguing about what women ought to be doing with their lives, and some of them will be misogynists.
It's the same mentality that argues that Dave Rubin can't be homophobic because he's gay despite the huge number of things he's done and said to harm the queer community. Unfortunately, It's just not how people work.
Given how judgey some cishet mothers can be of each other, let alone of women who aren’t mothers, I cannot like this comment hard enough. So many people tend to forget that some of the most aggressive misogynists are women.
this comment says exactly what i was thinking!
it was also just… icky the way she said “women will be able to tell jokes without getting fired….”
excuse me but what types of jokes is she talking about? that was just 👀👀👀 just gave me karen vibes
@@juliarangelr Exactly. Goose meme. "Freedom to say what? Freedom to say what?!"
In my country the main voter of the right and extreme right are old women for example, so yep, woman can be misogynistic
man, hearing a woman refer to other women as "the female species" is just so weighted and chilling... makes me want to go to bed for ten years
They all talk like men in 1910 who think women getting the vote is "going to ruin society"
yeah it's really sad.
there was this foot-ball-short "women vs. men" where one commentator spoke of the "female RACE" being incapable of spotsMANship, because of the 6 scenes shown -> 3 terrible females vs. 3 male football scenes that were cherished for the fair behavior of just one person on the field! Men had decades more to learn about situatons that the referee will flag down on you!
“Now we all know women are a separate species-“ Lemme stop you right there ma’am
"It took _minutes_ to realise the feminists were right"
She only did minutes of research??
I mean it seems like most transphobes use either Facebook or barely any research on trans people so I'm not surprised
That was my first thought too lol!
Hey if that's how long it takes to confirm your bias why go any longer right? *sarcasm on*
If you spend more time taking a shit than researching the fundamental ethical concept of your business I figure you perhaps never gave one in the first place.
Then immediately starts down a rhetoric path which is exactly against feminism (TERFs are not feminists, they are f*ckheads)
Her response where she simultaneously denies being transphobic while also misgendering and promoting terf pseudoscience is the most tone deaf thing I've ever seen
100% on-brand for transphobes
based
I know, these people are always like "I think all trans people are evil but like I'm not a transphobe stop calling me that you're being mean >:("
@@squashfei8907 eh- not individually- but group wise it has a disproportionate amount of trainwrecks- ive never seen a group of people with worse optics
@@ambmamb8370this can be said about almost any group
Her tweet was literally "I'm not a transphobe, trans people are all liars" the depths of her cognitive dissonance are so deep you could fit the whole solar system in that chasm
i bet we could fit the entire laniakea supercluster innat bih😹😹
Love the metaphor btw
I identify as a transphobe, there, checkmate.
"Trans people are all liars " couldn't be more truer
@@MK_ULTRA420 damn that sucks, get well soon
People using "male" and "female" has turned out to be a surprisingly consistent way to determine if they're transphobic and/or misogynistic
@@mrkiky can you give an example of the contexts you're talking about?
When used as nouns, yes.
@@Noire_D4 they probably mean medical contexts
@@Deepseadread6 yeah that's one of the only contexts i can think of where it matters and, outside of you and your doctor, no one needs to make that distinction in that case
@@Noire_D4 exactly
"I have the human right to identify a _male_ when I see one"
No, you actually don't. What about people's right to privacy? Why should people be forced to make their gender public online just to satisfy this?
Accurate, and well said.
TERFs all talk like men in 1910 who practice phrenology and think women getting the vote is "going to ruin society"
Ppl have a right to identify what they see as a male, AND the right to not disclose their gender online.
@@coreaccount4376 um, no you don't you delicate little baby. No one cares what you see LOL stop demanding everyone cater to your feelings
It’s me, the queen of gender. I decide what gender you are and so help me god if you disagree with me.
Unhinged behavior
0:50 "Every trans woman wants to be a cyberpunk warrior or an anime girl."
As a trans woman who wants to be a deathless tentacle abomination, I resent your generalization, Jessie. 😤
I just wanna vibe
Be the change you want to see in the world! ^^
It reminds me of patricia taxxon's video on being a furry, the primary point she reaches is that those who are dehumanized often seek comfort in pretending to not be human.
You should look up mindflayers from ultrakill!
Three weeks into HRT. If this is life ruining, as transphobes are always telling me, I should have ruined my life years ago. I'm happier and more productive than I've been in what feels like decades, I think I've smiled more in the past three weeks than I did in the preceding three years, and for the first time in what feels like eternity I'm actually looking forward to and planning for the future instead of just slumping towards it. I'm finally fully alive.
i'm so happy for you!!
AHH CONGRATS TJENA!!!!
Congrats!!! My experience is exactly the same. 5 months on, I don't feel like I did look that different within the first few weeks, but I sure as hell felt more myself. Best wishes for the coming months!!
congrats & best wishes
Ayy, congratz gurl!
I felt much the same when I started HRT. Moreso after about four to six months when the physical changes were underway enough for myself to notice.
I mean, transphobia and racism and ableism aside (and isn't *that* a heck of a way to start a sentence), I think even just assuming a "female only" space would automatically be free from misogyny indicates that the creator of the app has a *severely* optimistic - to the point of being almost dangerously naïve - view of what happens when you get a bunch of women from all different walks of life together... Like, internalised misogyny is a thing, Ms Grover... And somewhat ironically, TERFs always seem to be very entrenched in it.
In one university course I took, we looked at "the female gaze" and it was talking about how things like the "girlboss" shows mentioned, ideas of what women look like, the ideas around how to wear makeup, dress, shave, etc are all often enforced more by women, than men. A lot of men don't care nearly as much as a lot of women do when it comes to conformity. I'm AFAB genderqueer and disabled, and the vast, vast, majority of people who bullied me for not confirming to beauty standards and societal ideals, were women and girls. I've heard a few guys make comments about what they prefer in terms of what women look like (makeup preferences, shaving etc), but it's not as widespread as the female gaze would make one think.
Appearances aside, misogynous women are quite common, especially among conservative groups and the increase of things like tradwife spaces that promote ideas of women being made for a specific role.
I go to a church that's been divided about the roles of women before, and in the last 5 years or so, I'm glad that they've been supportive of women leaders, but I've seen a lot of women be against the idea of a woman preaching to men, or stuff like that, and I can't seem to make sense of it. That's why intersectional feminism and addressing how multiple things affect people. You can't just take one. Example, a lot of people ignore my disability because they just see race and class without looking at how disability, gender, ADHD, and other issues affect me. But I also can't deny that I have privilege in some areas where others don't.
@@joylox while this absolutely doesn't excuse it at all, I think I have an explanation for why they don't want women preaching to men - in short, it's explicitly stated in the Bible (don't remember the verse or testament, but it's definitely in there) that women shouldn't tell men what to do, and since preaching is LITERALLY telling others what to do, and the verse was intended to specifically be about that, I think a lot of christians take that to heart and think there's something wrong with women being preachers.
@@SnoFitzroy I've heard a lot of it, but it's more that I don't get their inconsistency. If they take some things as only applying to the past, why not look at that in the lens of the past too? I don't have a problem with those who uphold their values, but a lot of them pick and chose some things to uphold, and it's usually the ones that give them power that they don't want to let go of. Like, there are rules about what to eat, not charging your family interest, having quarantines when people are sick, and they say those are in the past, why uphold male-only leadership when those others are deemed only in the past? It just doesn't seem genuine to me.
Severely optimistic and/or she’s also really into the ideas that brought up lesbian separatism in the feminist movement without paying attention to how that mode of thought became more unpopular.
Women police other women way more then man. Thet's because in traditional society man don't know "how to women " and vis versa so man would not know what is for example " appropriate make up for an event" but other women would know and would tell you . A lot . In the same vain as man who competitive about there cars even if women ( according to stereotypes) don't know anything about cars
Yes, I totally trust an app that is for "all girls" that demands that you give it a picture of yourself on a device that also knows your location. Nothing could possibly go wrong here.
This thought hadn't even occurred to me but you are so right! 😨
*cough cough* data leaks *cough*
An app full of unquestioning women looking for validation who fit a model of typical attractivness?
No I don't see how anything could go wrong what could you possibly mean?
I feel like creating a gendered app is not a solution to the patriarchy, but an attempt to run away from it
Or to perpetuate the patriarchy, either intentionally or unintentionally
Imagine they made an app that filtered its users by facial recognizing men
There's nothing wrong with safe spaces for marginalized people
ehh not really. part of the solution to patriarchy is to give safe spaces to women and others affected by misogny. but that also includes trans women which is something terfs don't like to hear lol
@@no_peace this is a wild oversimplification of the issue at hand. this is the same logic behind blood quantums. ask any indigenous person about how they feel about blood quantums. "we need a safe space, and we need to check your ID before you join the club, so we're going to use this remarkably stupid, completely racist/transphobic model of identity that doesn't even make scientific sense, and if you fail, you're not allowed to be IN the safe space, which is supposed to protect people like you."
safe spaces are important. being subjected to a genital exam, or a skull caliper-ing before entering is completely contrary to the very IDEA of a "safe space."
Me, a cis woman with broad shoulders and a chiseled jaw, “sorry TERFS, I’m real”
Same
Oh mood. I'm a cis woman and I have broad shoulders and hairy knuckles. Idk why I have broad shoulders but the hairiness is probably because I'm south Asian lol
Lol, i remember seeing a bunch of terfs comment under a trans woman’s video about how “disturbing” her “obviously male hands were”. I just kinda looked at my own mitts, which are as big as my cis father’s and chuckled. I even got a bit of hair on my knuckles and I’m a 17yo afab for fuck’s sake
Me, also a cis woman with shoulders that are way broader than my hips, massive dark sideburns, and a prominent brow bone xD
@@dgtor_official I'm jealous of you
I'm a trans man with a beard. I got the app and it still let me in 😂
I was then promptly accused of hacking the system as people thought I was a trans woman. It was so freaking hilarious
Their AI isn't functional. Take enough photos from different angles and it let's you in.
(Edit) So within 2 months I was able to talk to moderators of the app and showed my ID (which still has my birth sex on it as well as a pre transition photo), explaining that if they don't believe trans people are real, and only sex matters, then clearly I must be allowed. But for some reason I was still banned. Golly it's almost like they don't want trans people around at all 🤔
Hilarious
now i wanna try LMAO
hacking the gender binary
YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL WOMAN!!!!!1!!!111
I love it when transphobes accidently affirm your gender identity. 😹
ah yes, people with beards, AKA Trans women.
(I'm pretty sure for 99.9% of trans women, shaving is our FIRST move towards transition, even before coming out.)
waiting for the future when AIs are used to assign gender at birth, and it ends up defaulting all light-skinned babies to male and everyone else as not a baby.
Has this woman been on the internet in the last ten years..? I am just baffled. "I just want to create a place where a woman can tell a joke" "What is a terf" "An online space with only women will have no misogyny"
Girl you could have fixed all of these by browsing tumblr for 10 min
Heck, if one searches, any social media space can disabuse anyone of those notions.
To be fair, that takes 10 mins, she only spent a few researching before confirming her biases.
I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned but the softwear is also super ableist. A cis girl I know with prognathism wasn’t recognized by the app, I imagine other women, cis or otherwise with serve overbites or underbites have been denied access to the app. Anyway woah transphobia is based on racism and ableism who would have guess
this! its all eugenics
If you showed a transphobe a conventionally-pretty trans woman and a conventionally-ugly cis woman and ask them to guess which one is trans, they’d almost certainly guess wrong
@@emcrolls I mean, yeah, especially considering the "think of the children" argument...as if the future won't have any LGBTQ+ people in it by default so long as we keep the children "pure"...
Abi Shapiro is a misogynist. Easy example.
there is just SO much that's prettymuch inevitably gotta go wrong with that concept...
aside from
you know
phrenology
just in general
not sure it requrie much more explanation
just mentioning that word sould have been enough to shut down the idea altogether
Women can “mansplain.” Woman can be misogynistic…
It’s not a gendered thing. It’s a respect thing.
This isn't a flattering story, but I think it needs to be told. Some years ago, I realized that I was engaging in "mansplaining" but when I noticed it, I reflexively doubled down, saying to myself "What? No, I'm not 'mansplaining'... I do that to everybody!"
Thankfully, it wasn't long before I followed that up with "Wait a minute. Talking over _everybody_ around me when I get excited about something like that doesn't make me a good, not-sexist person... _it makes me an asshole!_"
I do better these days.
@@scorinth throwing you a bone here, but are you mansplaining or are you just autistic? I'm autistic so dw I'm not insulting you. Not saying it can't be a blend of BOTH mansplaining and neurodivergence, but generally I'm forgiving by default of ppl who can't help speaking over others when delighted by a subject matter. Also it does matter contextually if you're genuinely more knowledgeable in a given subject or not, BUT if you tend to be condescending (even speaking on subjects you're knowledgeable about), consider my bone throw rescinded lol /lh
@@scorinth um... hare you been checked for a Autisim or ADHD (or both) DX?
Because what you're describing is called "infodumping"
THANK YOU
@@scorinth to echo what another reply already said, and as someone with Autism myself, what you’re describing doesn’t sound like something malicious or discriminate (ie mansplaining) as much as it sounds like infodumping (a symptom of autism). Not to suggest you should take medical advice from two strangers on the internet, just a thought.
I spend nearly every day looking at scans of people's bones (i work in orthopedic surgery). I have never successfully guessed the gender of the patient's bones without checking their chart. The idea that AI could is insane. Humans have so much variation that AI can't successfully capture at this point in time.
Maybe you suck at your job? Slept through anthropology class?
That's not even close to the actual technical problem there. AI can sometimes outdo professional doctors but the problem is that even advanced AI may merely calculate likelihoods that a skull is female or male because being assigned other gender at birth affects your bone structure in a way so subtle and small that it's practically impossible to confidently say that a skeleton belongs to a male or a female, there is just too much of variety in bone structure within males and within females so that the difference between average male and average female pale in comparison to these.
But you know, TERFs love to just straight up lie XD
Man, and transphobes say that they "can always tell" that's hilarious.
Also, you have access to the actual scans of the bones, the AI only has a selfie and somehow determines bone structure from that? Fat distribution has a far bigger effect of how the face looks than bones do. With a couple months HRT, trans women already can pass as cis because of this
I’m autistic and all of my mannerisms are seen as traditionally “masculine.” It never hit me just how much I’ve been denied access to my own gender identity just because I cannot be “sensitive and nurturing” the way culture thinks I should be- I am both of those things, but the expression looks different, and I’m gated out of being seen as feminine as a result. Being fat is a different gate; I can access a type of “cozy Midwestern mom” femininity right until I open my mouth.
Hyper-feminine styles of dress have helped with reclaiming this. I didn’t have words for it before
The way that "girlboss feminism" doesn't seek to challenge unjust hierarchies but rather place oneself at the top of existing hierarchies, reminds me a lot of the kind of masculinity espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate. Growing up he saw how unfair the world was, but instead of wanting to change systemic inequality, he sought to take advantage of it and place himself at the top of the existing hierarchy. So oops.
Also Jessie, I know you sent me to destroy the Power Rangers, but I instead ended up making friends with them and helping them unionize.
right: ten people should own the planet
left: no they should not
liberal: five of them should be women and one of them should be black
Go-Go, Power Union.
Thank God. Getting teenagers to fight in an intergalactic battle should start with some labor negotiations.
That moment when FARTs try the good old killmonger gambit.
Be the oppressor is the solution obvi /sar
I blame Elizabeth Holmes for starting this bullshit.
as a trans man, it's so funny to me how often TERFs and other rigid binary systems almost always ignore us. those of us who lived our lives as women and now recognize the privilege we benefit from as men have so much we can teach cis people about the differences in treatment we receive and how important it is to unify under our common struggles rather than pick apart every single thing that makes us different and isolate into these toxic niche communities.
understanding intersectionality is, in my opinion, one of the key components to empathy.
basing your entire identity/community on excluding people is a slippery slope to fascism.
That’s because transmen pose no threat to masculinity and aren’t attractive to straight women. Most of you are 5’3 dickless manlets. It makes complete sense as to why you’re left out of the conversation - because you barely affect the conversation.
hell yeah brother
These are such great points!
@@mrhathi7664yes I'm sure that's what fox news tells you
@@puppyqueen5688 I don’t need Fox News to tell me that dickless wonders aren’t appealing to women.
I am AFAB and not taking HRT, however I have been capable of growing a beard since I was 15 and am often mistaken for a cisgender man when I'm in public. While here in Australia the
"gender critical movement" is in no way as rampant amongst the public consciousness as it is in the UK or the USA, it is still prevalent - as can be seen by the Sky News Australia clip from early on in this video. It's enough of an issue that I (an AFAB person!) am paranoid for my own safety every time I go outside. If the safety of all women was truly the goal of the gender critical movement, then why do I feel less and less safe as the movement grows more and more widespread?
@@littlecatfeet9064 Just because a country is low crime, does not mean it has no crime. This might come as a shock, but hate crimes and murder still happen if there is a non-zero level of crime. Besides, my paranoia is not unfounded. You are assuming that I have never in my life experienced any hardships on the basis of my appearance, but you don't know me, and I can tell you that I have absolutely been treated poorly because I am mistaken for a man. If transgender people were really the safest demographic in Australia, then why do we have major news outlets publicly platforming people who are self-described members of the "gender critical movement"?
Also, I have gone outside recently, actually. The weather can be quite lovely when you're not cooped up inside, trying to argue that, actually, transgender people are secretly more privileged than cis white men. Maybe you should try going outside. :)
Agreed. They're vile sexists with a new label, targetting the most vulnerable of us just because they weren't born with an as easy path about gender as most of us. And despite these TER"F"s claiming that they are trying to protect cis women they're harming everyone including the very people they claim to want to protect, though that seems by design.
that's why i didn't step out my house the whole month of june with out my permanent marker john waters mustache
they tell you your whole life a woman is a lowly, sorry, less than thing to be, then they turn around and say you ain't doing it right
im sorry but the fact that the giggle lady was like! "yes!! i did my research!!! it only took MINUTES!!!" like that was a flex cracked me up.
"I went in with a goal in mind and wouldn't you know it, I confirmed that goal in minutes! Instant gratification!"
I am a cis woman. I just never cared for make-up (or high heels, which I REFUSE to wear period, but that is another story). All through high school I was called an "ugly man woman" and "lesbian"...simply because I didn't wear make-up and wasn't interested in having a boyfriend. That was enough for them to exclude me when I didn't relent to some well meaning girls wanting to push make-up and dating on me. I kept wondering what was wrong with me. Now I know that I'm asexual and just don't like make-up. The fact that so many people will not let their cis kid/preteen or even teen daughters get a pixie cut simply because they think she'll be bullied says a lot about our shitty society. You supposedly get to "express yourself"...but don't you dare stray too far from gender norms.
My mom wouldn't let me and my friend go to prom together (as friends, both afab people) in bright orange and bright blue suits, like that scene from the old movie Dumb and Dumber, because she thought people would think we were lesbians. I'm not a lesbian, but I still couldn't wrap my head around where the problem was. I believe my response to her was "so what?"
I also realized later that I'm asexual
People will be like "woman is when make up" and be serious. Unbelievable.
you don't have to look like a barbie doll with lip fillers and fake eyelashes, you're beautiful in your own way. you do you!
@@amandamcgovern5744 I didn't make/mean to make that association. I just happened to not like make-up and also not want to date (because asexual) so people assumed "Girl who won't date and doesn't look 'feminine enough' must clearly be into girls".
I know a trans woman and a cis woman who tried to get onto Giggle for, well, a giggle. Both were white and had no facial differences. Just two ""normal"" women (obviously by AI dataset standards, hence the quotes). One got in, one didn't. Take a guess which one was accepted and which wasn't, because I'm sure that the creators of it would be shocked.
The trans woman got in and not the cis woman?
@@coal185 Yeah obviously. Their ai was so dogshit, the app kept accepting even cis men lmao
@@coal185 Yup!
I bet I wouldn’t pass the ai test even though I’m afab and deep in the closet so I still present very femininely. I look like a carbon copy of my dad but a bit softer, I guess. Not quite sure how to describe it but my features are a smidge rounder. I’d say I have a “feminine” face when it’s all together but if you broke down some of my features(my nose, jawline and browbone I’d say)like an ai might I can see it easily thinking I’m male
@@kaiyodei No ai that we can create at this point in time will be viably able to asses someone gender. It's just not a thing that image recognition can do. It just compares your image to however many images it has in its database, so unless you literally have a picture of every human alive, it won't be able to be without error. Even with a huge commercial databases, the margin of error is still insanely high(some algorithms go as high as 40% for poc women like...) But you'd know all that if you watched the video.
As a trans woman my ideal form is a vengeful forest spirit.
Mood
Relatable
mine too.
Keep those TERFs out of our woods and let's have long deep talks (It takes a long time to say anything in old Entish, and we never say anything that isn't worth taking the time for~)
I personally prefer Vicious Security Bot 😌👌
As someone on the genderqueer spectrum still figuring out where they land, my ideal form is a fucking dragon.
As a pretty feminine cis girl, I never really understood how hurtful misgendering was until I was misgendered. I didn't really think that was possible, but I got made fun of because I didn't wear makeup and I was wearing frumpy clothes. That hurt for a long time. Gender is more important to our identities than we realize.
Find a gay friend to help you do makeup
@@UndetectedKiller-yi1dy i found a badass lady in her 30s to help me recently, i finally figured out makeup wooooo!! 💪i still can't do eyeliner though, my enby friend needs to help with that lol
The fact that a fluke enabled you to respond to her bad faith response within the video itself is nothing short of meta gold.
Right? It's weird TERFception. Though, I know I shouldn't have expected differently, but there's always a part of me that hopes they'll respond in good faith one day. They aren't incentivized too, but I always have hope.
@@JessieGender1 It's a beautiful thing that you have that hope and I hope you'll _always_ have it.
There is also the fact that the video was only up for 2hrs and yet she found it and knew about it. TERFs just Google themselves, spread dangerous bigotry and lie.
Hallo sweetie, I have to look if you already watched the prince. ❤️
I just found out that I RUclips canceled my subscription to your channel. Glad I found out.
In one of my college courses we had a to give a speech regarding self driving vehicles. I was told afterwards by one of the graders that I was the only one to mention that due to racial biases in tech that "AI algorithms" have an abysmal recognition rates with specifically darker skin individuals. It was a course that had over 600 students...
@mrkiky so some are as simple as soap dispensers not recognizing Black people's hands when underneath them (the joke of racist paper towel dispensers came from this), the more harmful examples being AI algorithms not telling the difference between completely different people in facial recognition tech when they have dark skin, Google categorizing Black people as apes in image recognition, and self driving cars not registering Black people as people at all. Essentially the darker ones' skin is, the less likely they are to be represented in image sets that these algorithms are trained on due to biases, and thereby algorithms end up perpetuating a disparity in outcomes based on skin tone
@@mrkiky Basically, its less accurate at recognizing minorities because it has less training-data and while this is a deeply recognized bias, nobody thought to like, gather more training data to make up for it because it wasn't "cost effective".
Neural network and deep learning AI is literally just a pachinko machine where the needle thickness is altered at random until it produces more good results than bad results.
In this case, its a racist pachinko machine because the people running it don't care enough to make it work equally well with many groups because that's a more complex problem.
@@mrkiky the issue is, even a 5% difference could, if self-driving cars become universal, cause hundreds more deaths in a group when compared to another on a population level, specifically one that is already systematically fucked over, because some company could not be bothered when it really should not be that big of an issue to fix
Mrkiky def gets paid to be mouthy about topics he’s not educated on, on the internet-or so I’d presume, because people don’t usually debase themselves so enthusiastically for free outside of bdsm relationships.
@@adam2802 BDSM recognizes the power comes from the bottom, and requires far more communication and respect of boundaries.
MrKirky would be one of those guys running around self-proclaiming what a great top he was, while having never bottomed, and following 50 Shades to make his BDSM a lethal cosplay.
Seriously, the actual community wouldn't allow him to participate, the risks of collateral damage would be too high.
Jessie, we all know the true measurement of womanhood is whether or not men take credit for your ideas while simultaneously calling you stupid and insisting you go to the kitchen. 😅
😆
Well, I guess I pass now by that standard!
I was a real boy all along. I've never been told to go to the kitchen because I am a walking fire hazard.
The idea of a social media app asking me to submit a photo to be analyzed by an AI just feels so messed up, whether I'm cis or not. There's gotta be a better to way to make a ladies-only app without having to submit a photo to upload into an AI or resort to TERF nonsense to figure who gets in
There is, it's called _reasonable trust._
1. Make your app/group for "ladies" only.
2. Make it a romance-, hookup- and flirting-free zone. Anyone perceived as coming on to any other member in the app/forum will be given one warning with temporary time out period, then banned for repeat occurrence of creepiness. (If two or more members exchange alternative contact info, that's a risk they're agreeing to between themselves).
3. Require registration to use app/join group.
4. Post both these rules ("ladies" only, no romance or sexiness w/each other) and any others PROMINENTLY on the Download/Join page.
5. During registration, require each new person to thoroughly read and agree to each rule (click "Agree" vs "Disagree" or check box) to proceed.
6. HEAVILY MODERATE the app/forum for infractions and live up to the terms promised. Respond to reports and questions in a satisfying manner.
And there you go. Now, will there potentially be non-"ladies" who join, participate, and follow all the other rules to the letter thus slipping by? It's possible. If such a presence would still bother you, then an online community might not be what you want after all.
The gatekeeping of femininity is why transphobia hurts all women, not just trans women.
@@VeganAtheistWeirdoconsidering how difficult it is for some women to determine whether or not another woman is flirting with them there might be an issue with out lesbians (especially butch ones) getting disproportionately falsely accused and removed but with an appeal system maybe it would work
@@VeganAtheistWeirdo that makes more sense
@@giordanodsouza9563 I've always run into the opposite "problem" regarding women not realising whether other women are flirting with them. What the flirter thinks of as brazen come-ons are interpreted by the flirtee as platonic conversation. I've even, on more than one occasion, seen two women flirt with each other and both come away from the interaction disappointed and confide in me that they were sad because the other girl just wanted to be friends (based on vibes). Idk if it's just the sapphics I know, though
'Machine learning is totally impartial, it's incapable of bias'
Quite the contrary: it inherits *ALL* the biases present in the data sets it's trained from.
'determine propensity for criminality based on facial features'
That's literally what phrenology is.
AI learns based on the information you feed it. With many modern AIs where they learn based on user input, they learn based on what their users tell it, and then spout those ideas back to them.
So if I made a chatbot, and immediately let the internet talk to it and it learns based on them, depending on the site where I advertise it, we’ll get very different results. If I show it off on my curated Instagram page, we’ll have an anti-facist BLM supporting LGBT ally chatbot. If I release it on Reddit, it may become an insane confederate neo-nazi bot.
The fact is, AI is not capable of self-learning. It can’t teach itself things, the way humans don’t teach themselves things. We learn based on what we see. The AIs we have are the same way. They learn based on what we feed it.
An AI is not capable of have no predetermined bias. It will always be biased somehow, based on what you’ve fed or taught it to look for.
You would think they’d have seen the amount of AIs that turned racist.
@@michaelironsights8347 that one AI that learned from interacting with people on twitter😂
@@solsystem1342 or that AI Jerma used to make stories based on prompts and it turned everything into smut fanfics and used slurs
@@michaelironsights8347 this is the problem I have with any kind of AI decision making- people can recognize their own biases and account for them, AI cannot, it takes everything at face value
This broadly ties into the US military study which proved that there is no statistically average human. Whenever someone tries to classify humanity they either find out that it's really hard or things get kind of fascy.
What's that line from Doctor Who?
"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts they alter the facts to fit their views... Which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."
Basically "you either are solving a problem or being a problem"
I do research on the same topic for college. My results are different. There definitely are statistically average humans, approximately Chinese. There are also gender specific averages. I'd love to compare notes on our different conclusions. Please reply.
I'd also think that even if you could calculate the 'statistically average human' that information would be basically useless. There's just so much variation between individuals.
I am a cismale, but I remember when the whole debacle was happening I decided to try and get on. I had just shaved my face clean and apparently that was enough. I guess I have "feminine" face.
I mean I do know I'm a beautiful man, but that's besides the point.
@@myfavoritemonster No it's not lmao, dude is pointing out how silly this app is and how it can't recognise gender one way or the other, which can be considered more validating for trans women who were rejected.
Edit: ah nuts, you're a troll, I noticed your other comment.
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@@myfavoritemonster This was sarcasm, right?
@@myfavoritemonster That's really not hard to believe. The A.I. for this is bullshit and arbitrary. If it's rejecting cis women because they happen to have short hair, then surely, for argument sake, a clean shaven long haired guy might get in.
@@myfavoritemonster No, I do believe that he got in. It makes sense, because AI is not good at image recognition. Some males would've had features that the computer identified as female like smaller size, softer face and some females would've had features that the computer identified as male, like bigger noses or jawlines. That's the point. The point is, if it can't even recognise sex right, then it definitely can't recognise gender right. So for trans women who feel dysphoric that they can't get in, the fact that a cis man can means that no, it's not actually identifying their sex properly and disqualifying them based on that, it's just terrible at recognising sexes generally. Therefore it is actually a good thing that a cis man could get in, showing that the system is crap at its job.
If you think about something long enough, no matter how good or innocent it is, you can always make it bad. If anything, wouldn't trans women not want to be recognised by an app that mistook a cis man for a woman, because that could mean their features are like that of a cis man? You can think about it any way you like, but the most likely situation is that yeah, this guy did get onto the app and the facial recognition just sucked.
I took a few courses in my computer degree that talked about these. A funny one was when AI couldn't tell a chihuahua from a blueberry muffin. The sad one was all those facial expression ones are used to discriminate against autistic people who don't naturally make the "correct" expressions, or those like myself who struggle with emotions overall. We were told that there's no way to make a truly non-biased AI because all of us have biases, so AI is best for things that don't involve a direct human element. Computers are better for equations, and dealing with concrete data points, and humans are all so different.
tbf. differenciating pictures of chihuahuas faces from pictures of bluberry muffins can legit be hard sometimes.
I’m sorry but the AI not comprehending a chihuahua vs a blueberry muffin is genuinely hilarious
@@mrkiky There is a point in crying about it, because the alternative is simply never installing those ramps and making disabled people's lives hell. Because why bother to accommodate. People in wheelchairs should just never leave the house, right? Someone who got their legs messed up in an accident should simply be left in the dust? The elderly? Those with disorders that were born that way?
We have ways of accommodating for several different disabilities that enrich the lives of the people with them. Those ramps *enable* people with those specific challenges to do what was previously impossible for them and function in the community. It is not forcing society to bend backwards to accommodate. It is expecting society to not simply toss away anyone who doesn't fit the healthy, cookie cutter norm to the dogs.
It's a myth that most programmers are autistic too. In fact autistics get fired for saying inappropriate thing.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 It's definitely an issue. I was told by one interviewer that my social and communication skills weren't good enough for the position, and another said my memory wasn't good enough. I have ADHD, those are things I struggle with, and it's hard to find a job as a neurodivergent person. I just find working with computers is easier than working with people in a lot of situations.
I'll repeat my comment from the first post - There's a book I read called "You Look Like a Thing and I Love You" that goes into exactly how dumb AI can be. (The title is pulled from a list of AI-generated pickup lines.) One example given, which John Oliver also covered last week, is an AI being trained to distinguish cancerous lumps from non-cancerous lumps. Eventually, the scientists realized they'd inadvertently given the AI pictures of cancerous lumps with rulers showing their size, so the AI found a shortcut - if it had a ruler, it was cancerous, and if not, it was not.
Another commenter also gave an example of training an AI on distinguishing wolves from dogs - but all the pictures of wolves were on snowy backgrounds. The computer then couldn't identify a wolf in a grassy field or a dog in snow, because it had learned snow = wolves by accident.
It's very interesting because human children often use that kind of heuristic until we correct them (or not). Game Devs also often see that kind of heuristics at work when players don't follow the Devs assumptions.
This is so interesting 🤔
There was an example I read about where an AI kept generating pictures of a specific species of fish with grotesque human fingers all over it. It turned out that because it's a popular sport fish, most of the training images had the fish being held up by the person who caught it, and it learned that fingers = fish.
@@GALL0WSHUM0R I just did a spit take, that's incredible. I love these stories. It's funny and also a real reminder that AI is not *smart*
When Tumblr made the porn-ban a lot of people made jokes on how much they could show of their arm before getting banned because if I not mistaken the AI they were using was like skin color = porn
“We can tell ur trans”
Sneak trans women living there day to day life:
Fun fact! There’s a video of a TERF accidentally properly gendering a trans man because they thought that they could tell
Love you Jessie ❤❤
21:49 - My aunt and uncle were in town recently.
I spent half of an unpleasant dinner putting up with my aunt talking about how smart the boys in our family were due to their large head size. I reminded her that head size has nothing to do with intelligence and that it has been used to uphold racism and sexism, but she kept ignoring me, keeping to her talking points.
I would also like to mention that she somehow thinks of herself as left leaning.
jfc
When anything slightly better than murderous genocide is leftist
Ew
Should have asked her, after ignoring you, what her head size was compared to your’s and whether that was grounds for you being more right on the subject.
@@hayuseen6683 Except that’s literally playing into their nonsense. It doesn’t matter whose head is bigger because _that doesn’t mean anything._ Reinforcing it even sarcastically does nothing but reinforce it.
I think the "I'm not a bad person" thing relaly hit the nail.
Those people *don't* think they're bad people, and perhaps they're not, but as soon as they experience pushback they become defensive. Instead of realising they can learn and improve they double down.
It's like you point out a festering wound and they get mad because it causes them pain, but instead of treating that wound they decide to become unreasonably attached and let it fester until it poisons them and everything around them.
It would be wonderful if you could just be a good, well meaning person and go through the world never causing harm, but tragically, we live in reality.
It's internet discourse or... most kinds of discourse, really. In some cases, it's really people taking any form of criticism as an attack on their character ("I'm a good person, therefore I don't do bad things, therefore what I've done can't be a bad thing.") On the other hand, I think it's also true that some of the people doing the criticizing *want* it to feel personal. Of course, being mean isn't as bad as most things that people get defensive about... but it doesn't help.
Honestly, I think women perpetuate misogyny at least as much as men do. That is one of the primary systems by which the patriarchy keeps those attitudes alive. Self policing among women saves men a lot of work. They don't have to convince us of the attitudes if we're convincing each other. All they have to do reinforce those attitudes.
There are RUclips shorts with women attacking women under guise of defending men.
In my own experience, the particular form of misogyny known as "slut shaming" is perpetuated possibly even more by women than by men.
@@thefrankyg Heck, there are YT shorts where women explain how patriarchy hurts _everyone_ (but minorities and women minorities the most) and you'll see women claiming it's not true.
I believe you're correct, unfortunately.
Internalized misogyny is VERY real. It manifests in so many ways; in some areas, women will even marry off their underage daughters to older men despite they themselves experiencing the EXACT same thing because "it's tradition" or even "if I had to experience it, so do they." And all over the world, there are women defending r*pists, bashing feminism, and generally uplifting patriarchy. It's so sad to see. Honestly, I used to be one of them (thankfully not as bad as defending r*pists but I did bash feminism and all that) but now I understand that patriarchy is very much real and needs to be dismantled.
You're explaining how phrenology was used to justify slavery and it makes me think of the house elves and how insane it was that everyone was like, "nah dawg, it's cool, they like it." It's so weird to me that she made her entire fictional magical society be slavery apologists...except for the outsider girl that gets called slurs for not having "pure blood".........🤨
I know! A society of wizards that have to depend on slavery is so bizarre and insane. They have magic, why do they need slaves???
yeah.... joanne's fucked - and it shows in her writing...
Books by JKR? no thanks, I'll stick to JRR.
@@wisdomcoffee right!!?? So if we logically break it down...they don't need slaves. And they probably shouldn't WANT them either so the only option left was for the slaves themselves to want and/or need to be enslaved...which amounts to just about the laziest way to shoehorn slavery into your fantasy [story].
(See what I did there 😉🧡)
btw apparently there was a concept during slavery days that if a slave tried to escape they had a mental illness (forget the name they used) and the "cure" was to cut off a toe, i forget if it was a specific toe.
found the name, Drapetomania. but i can't find confirmation about the toe thing, so that may be a rumor tacked on
This comment is very off topic, fair warning.
So, my trans partner came home last night after visiting with his mom and told me that she insisted he sit and watch the entirety of a Dr Phil special about folks who decided to detransition with her.
Of course, I was pretty furious when I heard all this, especially considering just last week my partner had a heart-to-heart with his mom about gendering him correctly and she seemed like she understood. I took several hours to cool down, and then with my partner's blessing I sent a very compassionate, gentle (albeit long) text that focused on how important it is we support our loved one and focus on the JOY transition can bring rather than fears.
Now, I didn't expect an immediate response because it was late, but she still hasn't responded this afternoon and I'm getting more anxious about it by the second.
So, that's where my head is at, but it's comforting to put on a long video by you and remember that there is a community that does support us in all our queerness, even when family does not.
You should tell his mom that Dr. Phil is not a serious source of information. It's cheap television and nothing more. Dr. Phil himself is nothing but a sham
wow, that mom sounds horrible....
I could see my own mom asking me to watch this special just to get my commentary and input cause I'm lucky and I have a mom that accepts me regardless and just wants to understand me better.
Anyways, hug your partner and talk with them about them being trans, everyone likes talking about themselves and how they feel (except cis men who have been indoctrinated into the belief that bottling up feelings is the only way to be)
Detransition warnings are only relevant for minors who take HRTs and people who didn’t put much time really thinking about what they want. If you are a mature adult and are on HRTs, that’s just so patronizing for someone to do that. So sorry you and your spouse have to deal with her.
@@yourneighborhoodfbi7518
Well, hrt is only as permanent as the puberty people would be going through without it. Therefore I find it weird that you would single out trans children as requiring extra scrutiny.
Even if they do, that question is best left to their medical team not a broad strokes "be careful".
Edit: I can guarantee no one's getting HRT without a lot of thought. My weight time for an initial appointment was six months! Half a year after, I spent months looking for an informed concent clinic and making sure I had a safe work and social environment to transition.
@@yourneighborhoodfbi7518 I feel like this is a comment that leans into the "kids don't know who they are/what they want" stereotype. Kids know. They know very young. If they're uncertain about it, they don't pull the trigger on the treatment because as it turns out, it's fairly rare for school aged kids to be all that accepting of differences among their peers and there's always a bully looking for perceived weaknesses.
That probably wasn't your intent, but that kind of thinking lends undo credit to the transphobe narratives about trans children and attempts at preventing gender affirming care for minors.
So should we call a group of terfs a giggle of terfs now? 😂
A petulance of TERFs.
YES lmao
oml yes that is amazing
I just call them JKs
@@Djinn_Entonic How about "a Rowl of TERFs"
I love that when she tweeted about your original video release she was like, "How can these 'men' be calling me a transphobe?" like....girl, you're being transphobic in that sentence... ANYWAY, congratulations on your new project! I can't wait to see it!
The hole face recognition thing got me thinking beyond transitioning or aging,
What if you suffer a disfigurement for whatever reason?
Faces are not immutable things, if i get a black eye or a bee sting, even wisdom tooth surgery.
It all feels lacking and wrong.
Or permanent scars like burned skin.
I am a dmab male so I am sure that I lack understanding in the issue but I can’t imagine that a “female only twitter“ will be a misogyny free utopia.
It will definitely NOT be a misogyny free utopia. Just look at any high-school and their "cliques". You won't see the boys harassing a girl because she doesn't wear make-up or styles her hair a certain way. It's always girls against girls.
Speaking from experience.
Literally no chance
Especially not if it's full of terfy women
I'm a cis-gendered woman who happens to like my hair in a mohawk, don't wear makeup often and my features could be seen as slightly androgenous. Put a beard on me and I look exactly like my dad. I wonder what the apps AI would make of me.
I'm also cis and by god, almost everyone in my near family (like descendants of my grandparents) has almost the exact same face shape and structure (kind of a roundish squarish shape), like I saw a picture of myself from when I was 8 and mistook myself for my 45 year old cis male cousin. Humans cannot define the phenotypical exactitude of gender and sex, why should we allow an AI fed on limited data samples provided by those same humans to define it? And then these people wonder why they're called racist when they're literally recreating the eugenics movement.
Unsure of my gender, but AFAB and yeah, when I have a face paint beard I look just like my uncle!
Hopefully a wonderful woman with awesome style!
Same. I'm AFAB, but I look like a clone of my dad. Right down to his chronic RBF. My cis brother isn't even as close of a match.
I am also my dad minus a beard 😂
As a software developer and someone who has been transitioning for over a year at this point I've experienced messing around with Faceapp as a lot of us do. One thing I noticed early on is the app is more likely to auto-detect me as a woman now based on *how* I take my picture.
An example is that women are more likely to take selfies standing in front of a mirror, so that alone makes it way easier. If using the front camera having a higher angle will make it more likely to see a woman. How I have my hair also has played a factor.
Like, none of these factors have *anything* to do with gender, but based on how AI are trained it ends up picking out irrelevant things that it then uses.
One of my favorite machine learning stories is about an early, experimental, self-driving car that was trained to drive based on video from a camera mounted to the car.
It fairly quickly got good at following the road and the researchers were happy to expand the areas it operated in, growing increasingly confident as it racked up an impressive distance without human intervention.
Then one day they sent it across a bridge, and the thing tried to fling itself into the water below, forcing the safety driver to execute an emergency stop to save their life.
The sudden, harrowing failure shocked the research team, and they started digging into what the AI was "thinking" at the time. Eventually, they discovered that the AI hadn't learned to follow *the road* - it had learned to follow the lawns and other roadside features. When it got onto the bridge, it was suddenly lost and went on a quest to find the familiar grassy shoulders it needed to find its way.
Moral of the story: Don't make the mistake of assuming that an AI cares about the things you care about.
It's interesting what you say about how women take selfies, because I am a cis woman and I have never ever taken a selfie in the mirror 😁 most of my selfies are from above, just because I think it looks nicer 😉 considering I have a buzzcut and no makeup, I wonder what the AI would make of me 🤔
i've noticed that lighting has a pretty dramatic effect on whether or not AI classifies my face as male or female. I'm guessing that's because the contours of my face become more or less visible
I mean maybe this could actually be a research topic. Like how gender effects in some ways how we present ourselves in selfies. AI’s i think generally have massive research potential because of the way the process human knowledge and patterns of human behaviour. Sadly that’s usually not what the developers of these ai‘s are interested in.
Actually, at least part of that might have to do with the distance from the camera to your face. It's a known issue that selfie cams distort your facial structure because of issues related to field of vision, so a mirror selfie is a better representation of what you look like
I'm a queer person of color majoring in AI and data science
and first, I wanna say really love the effort you've put into this you're truly very smart and hardworking jessie
secondly this is very interesting, a huge problem within the tech industry is ethics, or rather the lack of it, starting from the curriculum at universities to the actual industry which is even worse, software engineers, AI and ML engineers, Data Scientists and almost everyone in the field or studying the field does not take ethics seriously, I honestly think most of them see it as something that holds back the advancement of science and technology. and that's without even touching on how ethics are even taught, which nearly ever covers minorities.
I really think that ppl studying tech should be required to take more ethics classes and possibly some philosophy classes.
As of 2012, the National Nursing Board of the US decided that the requirement for all nurses to take biomed ethics was redundant, and replaced the requirement for biomed ethics with IT1010.
Society as a whole seems to be moving away from ethics..... I have encountered more IT people who were willing to speak up about ethics than almost any other professional group.
I don't know if that should make us feel better, or worse....
keep your head down and stay safe, sib!
Thinking about the “Ain’t I a Woman” speech from all the way back in the suffragette movement… crazy how relevant it is still to this day.
Woah. „Giggle‘s algorithm is a mathematical distillation of history and human tendencies to deny someone‘s identity made into a pass-fail selfie test“. I adore Jessie‘s ability to write such a dense description and poignant argument. This is skill and hard work.
Complicating the issue of some women perceiving all criticism towards them as misogynistic, is the fact that much otherwise valid criticism of individual women is done in a misogynistic way. (For example, I've personally witnessed criticisms of JKR that used misogynistic language, and Taylor Swift's unethical usage of a private jet was highly publicized while male celebrities who do the exact same thing was not.) People who stoop to misogynistic behaviors, when criticizing women who should be critiqued, ruin the conversation for everyone by muddying the waters.
See Mindy Kaling's criticism for a show she didn't even write anything for, but produced.
A big reason I dislike the term "Artificial Intelligence" being used for machine learning algorithms is that it implies there is some kind of sentient mind that is coming to decisions all on its own. People don't understand how machine learning works and assume its results and conclusions are some kind of "objective reality", when instead its biases are the same of those who created it.
I'll only call something AI when we need to use the Voight-Kampff test on it.
Maybe the better word should be “artificial arbitrary symbol-interpreter” since that is what AI is actually doing?
"People don't understand how machine learning works and assume its results and conclusions are some kind of "objective reality", when instead its biases are the same of those who created it. "
I agree with that statement. But in My Opinion thats already included in the Term Intelliigence. If you look at the other kind of intelligence (ours) you have the same thing. Our Conclusions are also seldom some kind of objective reality. (We need Proper tools and experiemnts to get Reasonably near that.) Just look at people that got raised in very bigoted communities. Its not really any different. Theyre also just a Product of the Data (parent and the community around them raising them) they got fed.
So i would argue that pushing the narrative that AI is just akin to a radom dude who read 3 books about the topic and spouting his opinions about the topic would actually a good thing. In a sense it really is nothing more than that.
Can't wait for AI to deny me my womanhood due to my PCOS 😂
was looking for this lmao, im also cursed with the hell syndrome that is PCOS
I said this on another video with a similar topic:
I destroyed FaceApp :D
I wanted to validate my masc side, so I wanted to transform myself into a guy on there - still cis, though. Problem was, it already recognized me as a guy. I then changed the angle and lo behold, it categorized me as female. I repeated this several times and it always worked - until the next day, when it refused to recognize a face at all. Now, I'm black, so there might be some racism in the programming to blame, but I gotta say, knowing an ai can't put me in a box feels really reaffirming to my genderfluid ass.
This made me smile
As an NB person FaceApp is awesome as long as I pay attention to myself and don't get dysphoria acting up because of how good the ai is at making me feel bittersweet feelings
My trans roommate is having issues with this right now. We signed a lease and their AI couldn't recognize her because her ID was pre-transiton. It looks like the property manager is going to let us get around it (fingers crossed), but we'd be SOL if they chose to be assholes.
A) this sounds like phrenology with a paint job.
B) I love how often they're like 'we can tell'; like no. No you can't. Because you're stupid. And misogynistic in general.
C) the vibes are immaculate, the lipstick phenomenal, the hair filling me with jealousy.
There is also something so patronising about naming an application meant to serve as a safe space for women "giggle." It's like "Oh, you women are fed up with predatory behaviour and blatant misogyny on social media? Just form your own where you can gossip and giggle all you like. " It's essentially infantalising women's social media presence. The distinction of men laughing and women giggling isn't positive to women at all. It's patronising if anything. It suggests childishness.
I am black, full figured, cis queer woman, with my hair shaved into a fade. Pretty sure if Giggle analyzed JUST my face, I would get classified not a woman
and apparently, with their current AI, It might alert zookeepers to your whereabouts
As a trans woman, I often feel pushed to "perform" and wear makeup to validate myself to others in general society. Because even with HRT, my facial hair growth can be pretty fast and quick, and it causes me to not socialize as much as I would otherwise.
Hey, a sister trans woman here 🙋♀️ with kind of aggressive facial hair. I've been doing laser hair removal and it's a little like magic. Sooooo much more manageable. Well worth the money, and in many cases it's covered by insurance now. Peace, strength and many many blessings 🌈
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 unrelated but ty for sharing this knowledge im gonna tell my friend bout this, she says she been thinking bout this
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 I'm trying to chase Laser or Silimar right now and having my HRT clinic submit a letter of medical necessity to my insurance to see if they can get it approved. If that doesn't work I'm trying to find less than sketchy places on Groupon :P
Gender is performativity. Its not just us trans people who are performing, cis people are also performing.
@@heraschade7981 yeah but it often seems like when you're trans you have to "prove" your gender to others. i fall into that trap too - things like not painting my nails even tho i like having painted nails or not wearing my heeled boots (that i like to wear because i'm 2 goddamn inches tall) to 'pass' easier
So if you're just a not conventionally attractive cis woman, the app still won't let you in-
Yeah that checks out for social media.
I am a trans girl, and I do not wanna be cyberpunk or anime, actually, I wanna be a furry.
the people behind Giggle really took the whole "when they dig up your bones in a 100 years they'll know what you REALLY are" transphobia cliché and decided "why wait 100 years?"
I like to imagine that by the time we're ancient enough history that archaeologists are interested in our bones, society will have progressed to the point where we recognize that someone's gender can't be determined based only on their bone structure.
I know this is supposed to be cruel suicide fuel- but every time someone has said that shit to me, it's always actually made me feel kinda cool.
I'm such a complex and interesting person, so divorced from conventional ideas of gender roles- that my literal bones can't even define me. By the time I do eventually die, I'll probably have undergone FFS, so if anyone digs me up- my skeleton will have more obvious tells than the real me ever did haha!
"The bone of the skull has been shaved, bolted, and reshaped in several places- this was how women transitioned in the primitive times before the invention of the NEWU machine"
They wont see my bones and think I was a man, they will see me as a girl born before my time haha!
@@PumkRock to me it's just a gender equivalent of "they were best friends" historical bullcrap lmao
We should think about the fact that you cant know If We maybe found already some transpeoples dead bodys but dont recognized them. I think ist would bei very interesting how this people live looked like.
@@yami1389 fun fact: they misidentified the sex of one of the skeletons that are called "the lovers" - they thought it was a man and a woman but in 2019 using more advanced methods they found both skeletons were actually male.
I'm glad you talked about this as both a transphobic issue and an issue of racism
more often than not, I tend to see folks only recognize it as one or the other
It is crazy how racism and transphobia use such similar discriminatory arguments.
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 it's because they're largely the same thing
Recently in psychology class we were talking about the Milgram experiment and it's questionable practices and my teacher said something along the lines of "Is it okay for people to know that they're capable of committing atrocities" and I will never say it isn't because of situations like this. I believe it is integral for people to know they are capable of being an awful person in order to avoid becoming an awful person. Granted being tricked into thinking you killed someone is probably not the best way to find that out but still.
Agree. Was also taught about how "unethical" the Milgram study was, until I eventually watched a movie about it, and they explained that Milgram was a Jewish man who wanted to understand the psychology behind what made the Holocaust possible. And then you think, wow, they determined that it was unethical to hurt some white people's feelings in order to try to prevent another Holocaust. >_>
@@keeshy Admittedly some of the participants did have mental breakdowns. So it’s a bit more problematic than white people’s feelings being hurt. Iirc there have been redos of the experiment with slight tweaks to make it less possibly traumatizing while still yielding valuable data. Like for example lowering the upper shock limit and not faking the death of the confidant.
Imo it’s a good cautionary tale about minimizing harm as much as possible even if the experiment will yield important data.
Tl;dr I do still think this study had issues I just think the issue was “accidentally traumatizing people” not “people finding out they are capable of atrocities”.
But also a lot of the participants in the Milgram experiment refused to participate, and of those that did, many were aware that it wasn't real. So fewer people were even willing to perpetuate things like that than the experiement originally suggested
@@partylikeits1066 How do you know they were aware during the experiment that it wasn’t real? They were told after the fact that it wasn’t but during? Also when exactly did they refuse to participant? Mid experiment, pre experiment? Didn’t even sign up?
@@partylikeits1066 wait are you thinking of the Stanford prison experiment? Because that did have participants who were aware and also participant self section issues (people who were more authoritarian were more likely to sign up for the study)
I remember a big e-girl streamer having a "female only" role on her discord that was gatekeept over voice. It excluded women whos voices were not sounding feminine enough to a moderator.
I'm a ciswoman, and I'll be 30 in a couple of days. All I could think about is wanting boobies when you talked about getting your face surgery. I've always been pretty thin. All the women in my life growing up had boob jobs. I know that's probably why I want boobs big enough to be in an anime. I still feel incomplete w/o them. I wish we had better healthcare. I've spent more on basic healthcare than an expensive boob job this year. Free tits for all! Free healthcare in general for all.
I'm afab and quite the opposite of you. I've always hated my chest and always invision myself with a smaller/flat chest. I can't afford a reduction because, you know, health care and stuff...
I mean this whole heartedly, if I could give you my breasts I absolutely would 😆
Honestly it's so wild to me. As a woman sporting E-cups but would give ANYTHING to be nearly flat chested. OH how I dream of getting this horrible things off my chest. The literal weight off my chest.
Breast augmentation is more than cosmetic. The fact that reduction is considered cosmetic unless under very extreme or specific circumstances as well makes me so angry. I have only lived in countries with social healthcare, and breast reduction is nearly *never* considered as a valid surgery to come under national healthcare plans.
It's quite incredible just how much breast size affects a person's entire life. Some people wish for more and feel invalid in their gender, some people wish for less maybe even for the same reason (I dislike being sexualised, and having e-cups doesn't help. I actually hate attracting men.)
Free breast surgery for all (including in places with social healthcare)
@@MarlopolyGaming I'm very surprised that isn't covered under socialized healthcare. I know boobs that are to big can cause back pain and etc. My friend and I would always joke about me talking half. She has pain from the weight and trouble sleeping. I hope you can get that figured out.
@@MarlopolyGaming I'm flat mostly, and I'm not big enough for cups, but too big for trainer bras... I wish no one had set boob size and it was like a slider or something...
@@MarlopolyGaming I had B cups, but recently chose to have a mastectomy as a preventative measure. I chose to go flat, and I can say it is amazing. Haven't worn a bra in 3 months and it is very freeing.
Literally five minutes in and the creator of the app is like, "I don't support transphobia, but if you'd like to spread it on my app, you can absolutely do so!"
“Where misogyny is eliminated through mutual understanding” yalls clearly have never heard of white women
the older i get the sicker i get of the fact that as women we constantly get policed for our looks and it's actually insane that an app aiming to provide a safe space for women would exactly do that in order to grant access to the safe space.
I'm not a transgirl (rather I am a transmasc agender person) but I would absolutely love to be a cyberpunk anime girl!
As a fellow agender, I concure with this sentiment.
2 stories about bias, though not in the racial kinda way, one that I heard recently and one from a little while back. First one: The army wanted an AI to identify tanks. It did. Flawlessly. Then deployed in the field it had horrible results. It was just identifying whether it was (either I forget which) either day/night or which ones had trees.
Second one was about...I think brain tumors? and wanted to be able to detect them. So they fed it data and it ended up being really good. At identifying rulers. Because in tumors there's often a ruler in the brain scan to measure how big it is. :|
I love AI topics.
Making this a comment reply so it might be seen: In these longer videos, would it be possible to add (maybe in a pinned comment?) all the "Check out X's video on Y" comments? I'm trying to go back and find them but it's kinda hard to scan the seek bar without going back and watching. This isn't a problem on short videos (or relatively "short" ones like 30 min or less) but on longer it's unwieldy and cumbersome.
Edit: There WAS an easy way since you usually said "Check out X's great video on Y" so I searched for "video" in the transcript (
@@blindey often they're put in the description so maybe check there?
TL/DR AI says asthma is healthy.
I found some articles saying the tank one might be a myth but it looks like the ruler one actually happened, and there was also a case of AI thinking asthma is good for you due to asthmatic patients in a study getting faster and better treatment for pneumonia for a variety of reasons and the AI attributing their better outcomes to the asthma.
Here's the title of the article: When AI flags the ruler, not the tumor - and other arguments for abolishing the black box (VB Live)
@@dandelion_16 The..citations for the video were there but not the off-hand mentions of videos discussing a certain topic. Thanks though.
I love that I fell into trans RUclips. This and many similar channel do so much good work. I realized I am non-binary; but as I am read as a white man, there is hardly any hurdle I am confronted with personally. Videos like this give me insight and also specific examples and arguments to stand up when I recognize others are being pushed down.
And Sall kinda gives me Elizabeth Holmes Vibes
Trans man here who grieved so much for my 'woman years' once I realized how much worse I was treated as a woman. It felt normal to me at the time but now that I have it so much easier as a man (even when I don't pass, I've noticed), I'm so much angrier for how women are subjugated. I guess you can call that getting 'woke' lol. Hope I stay that way and never take my social manhood for granted. Wish you luck on your gender journey and understanding this fuckedup society :))
I’m afab non-binary and use she/they pronouns for the sake of my family (it’s complicated but it is ok!!! Tldr I’m ok enough with feminine language that it doesn’t make me upset when they do it… although it turns my stomach a bit haha, but i have an unsupportive brother and I’m disabled so I’m dependent on family to get by and I really just don’t have it in me to stir up trouble over pronouns that only mildly bug me. It’s… it’s fine. Could be worse.) anyway idk the point of this but enby solidarity friend. Trans RUclips is great. It’s helped me a lot with figuring out my identity
@Remy Sebald there's a Ted talk by a trans woman discussing this same thing, but in the reverse. It's very interesting. As an enby I appreciate people speaking out about their experiences on both sides of the spectrum extremes.
@@OdinsSage ooh, do you recall the name of it? I haven't seen it and I'd love to watch it!
_The transmasc urge to download the app to see if it kicks me out_
The cis female urge to do the same. The fact that this app rejects cis women but accepts cis men and trans men fine is HILARIOUS to me
"A way to be a misogynist but called a hero" is such a wildly ironic statement coming from a woman who contributed to misogyny and is now being paraded around terf circles as if she's a hero for "standing up for herself" (i.e. becoming an actual terf instead of apologizing for accidentally being a terf initially)
The moment something becomes problematic when you don't get it exactly correct, don't do it with AI. Machine learning will always stay an approximation
It's kind of disappointing to see an app like this crashing. Ironically, queer women and bipoc would benefit the most from something like that. Finding roommates, making friends and the like would help close that gap of loneliness.
Also congratulations on your project! ❤️
I feel weird seeing this video as a cis dude because I have nothing to do with the topic. I just enjoy your video essays. Please keep making these
Dont feel weird. Educating yourself on peoples issues makes you more empathetic towards them. Helping you becoming more accepting towards others.
The whole "strong" and "weak" at the same time is just common for bigots. They have to see you as strong so you can be a threat, but weak so they feel comfortable attacking you.
While I haven’t watched your whole catalogue, this is the best one I’ve seen yet. As a trans mod for a lesbian subreddit that’s unfortunately infected with TERFs, I actually feel like I understand this well enough to now talk to some of them and maybe even deradicalize a few. I have new tools in my modkit and I really appreciate you helping me understand learn how to approach this compassionately and effectively.
thats awesome
100 percent with everything here. This is a huge topic in software engineering circles right now, and it's just so important to keep to heart the lesson that all systems inherit the biases of their creators, and that the only "fix" for something like that time is assuring that one's development staff is as diverse as possible.
I'm cis woman and I 100% believe this app would think I was a cis man due to my more masculine build. Whenever apps try to inforce gender only rules, they'll always leave out those they invite due to beauty and social norms. Even if I did pass, I'd be banned asap for being autistic or something.
I'm just going to share this randomly. When i was in college, i used to be penpals thru email with a trans woman. We we're friends from an indie scanlation group site that did Horou Musuko manga. She used to send me her manuscript to read and give comments or critique on what things that could be worked on. I've always been guilty that I couldn't give her enough comments to say because I was still inexperienced with my words or advise on how to develop a manuscript.
I'm praying that she had the chance to publish her book. It was science fiction. It was her story and much more. She was the few people in my past that I sincerely prayed for a good life because of her personal hardships.
I'm a straight passing bisexual man who gets confused for a female by AI. I should download giggle and trick it. I just need to shave and put on a wig lol
Few years ago my facebook account got locked, and the only way I was able to get it back was by using a photo of myself to verify it's me; I just used a picture of Peter Griffin and it worked lol. Love the vid jessie ♥
*Peter Griffin laugh 😆😆*
that's deadass my name as well lmfaooooo
"It's like that time I got locked out of my facebook account" *Flashback moment *
I’m non-binary but I’m afab, have long hair, and had my cleavage out in the picture, but I got marked as “male” by the giggle algorithm. Felt a little gender ngl.
nauuurr dont integrate computerized phrenology into ur app and then be shocked by backlash...
i really liked how you so clearly laid out the "i'm used to being oppressed bc of my womanhood -- i'm receiving backlash now, it must be bc of my womanhood" line of thought, and also how you highlighted the bias that is built into these so-called "ai" programs.
ALSO THRILLED FOR YOUR ANNOUNCEMENT???? girl CONGRATS!!!!!! 😍🎉
I am forever grateful that I:
1) Grew up in a racially, culturally, and religiously diverse environment so learning about people different from myself is...just what you do. Like, normally.
2) Was taught by my parents that one of the most important things in life is to admit to yourself and to others when you are wrong, to apologize, and to learn as a result. My parents both grew up in abusive households, so they knew how damaging that can get.
So many of these various radicalization pipelines stem from an inability to admit wrongdoing, intentional or unintentional. Many seem to associate "you did wrong" with "you are bad." One is a statement of action that can be addressed, the other is a statement of being that is unchangeable. Some people seem to have trouble with this distinction and end up doing anything to convince themselves that they are good by justifying the previous wrong action.
I definetly think that doing something wrong and being a bad person not being the same thing isn’t actively taught enough. I developed a very unhealthy relationship to failure because if you make a mistake (forgetting homework, talking in class, but also harder stuff like bullying) that is immediately associated with being a „bad“ kid. If you can never admit your own faults because you were taught to associate mistake = bad person you aren’t just gonna be miserable but also like you said just not take a good look at your actions and how they influence others.
I think some of my school bullies still haven’t examined how shitty they were to people. This shit runs deep and it hurts society as a whole.
I'm sorry, but "cutie patootie" is the best thing I've heard in a long time. Also, I'm glad you're trying new things. I want to write books, I am currently working on the history of a fictional island nation in the Caribbean. I will cover topics such as colonialism, slavery and American imperialism.
As a dorky egg: You‘re awesome.
Thank you for being out there and being a role model ❤️
"Why are you calling me a terf, I am just excluding trans people"
"Why are you calling me transphobic, I just don't believe trans people are real"
Might be unrelated but remember when Ben Shapiro had an epic meltdown because he couldn’t get AI to say a racial slur?
I’m just so glad these walking cranial polyps, these sentient septic tanks have their priorities in order. Love the video and the look.
No but now I GOTTA look for that clip!😂😂😂
@@JoseSanyet I saw it on the Majority Report w/ Sam Seder.
@@zachnesmith I saw it! That was INCREDIBLE... I'm just speechless 😅
I'm going to have to look that up the second this video is finished.
Cranial polyps xD
To be honest, I always thought Humanitys use of AI is genuinely disturbing.
What about the ai presidents playing minecraft
I'm currently studying machine learning and AI (partway through my master's degree)... it can be very very useful and can learn models *way* beyond what humans can figure out without it, but there is an ongoing conversation about how to avoid perpetuating bias through ML and AI, and the general public - and often, the companies that implement these algorithms - is not well educated on what the limits, strengths, and biases of these models are. The use of AI is not inherently an issue, but AI and ML must be used responsibly and in appropriate situations - many people and companies expect AI to handle things beyond what it can reasonably do, and in my opinion, this is where things go wrong.
Yeah honestly it could be done in genuinely ethical ways and it's sad how inhumane people act w things that could really be tools to help instead of take advantage of others. I don't get why peoppe act like we can't be mindful of what we do
i hate to be this bitch, but its cuz of capitalism.
i feel like if it wasnt commercialized and mass produced and pushed onto the public and all that, it could be handled more ethically by ppl who know how to understand all that techy shit. trying to make ai accessible to everyone, trying to insert it into daily life just "because we can", thats where its going too far imo.
like i dont want to say ai doesnt have a place in the world, i just think it *needs* to be more controlled and regulated; its such a new thing and we really are just running wild with it rn
I agree with you and to tell why i will say just two words : deepfake porn 🤢
I truly do believe in the potential of AI to not only be something that assists us in making the world a better place for everyone but also I think that it's more than likely for AI to develop some form of sentience with the way we use it mirroring how we as humans formed our consciousness from viewing others' experience when we were little: ruclips.net/video/YZX58fDhebc/видео.html
I just don't believe in humanity at all and every time I see something about AI and how it's used for so many gross purposes makes me want to just tune out and live the rest of my life on a farm in the middle of nowhere or something. We are so doomed 😂
Every time phrenology comes up, I can only thinks of Discworld's retrophrenologist, who will bang lumps and dents into your skull to give you traits. A logical extension of the "science" 😆
It's impressive how many patriarchal pitfalls gender criticals have to accept to separate themselves from other women they want to otherize and oppress