When Two Guys Wouldn't Leave Us Alone At A Photoshoot...
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- It has been difficult dealing with encounters with outsiders when I am doing photoshoots. I usually ignore and don't engage people when they try to disrupt the shoot, but I just couldn't keep quiet this time. Just a little frustrated.
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There's a difference between casually looking and staring intensely to the point of making someone feel uncomfortable.
That's true
yes there is, those guys were rude. people like them, are why I don't do photoshoots in high traffic public areas.
Difference between looking and staring... er, which one is illegal out in a public venue?
@@lostinoc3528 Are you suggesting that because you have a camera, you "own" more of the public venue than someone who's curious and just wants to look? Or are you simply overly sensitive?
STARING IS NOT ILLEGAL!!
Male photog here. This is creepy behavior. You’re not putting on a performance, you’re doing a job. You can see the model noticeably relax once they’re gone. You did the right thing, Jessica!
I don't agree. It's the art of photography and the art of modeling and posing. She is taking pictures for others to see. If you see someone play an instrument or sing in public you might stop and listen, and watch them "perform". If you mind that someone is watching you exercise your craft / art in a public place then it's YOUR problem. If you don't want creepy guys watching you taking pictures on the beach, then go into the studio and you can photoshop the waves in your pictures. Smh
@@tech.gate.28 Guys DO act creepy sometimes but it's a public space that they have the right to be in. You can't chase them away. However, you have the right to ASK them to move along (as she did). Or you can stop shooting and posing and just glare back at them until they feel uncomfortable. The other option is to pay for a photography permit and pay for security. Problem solved!
Russ ur correct I can’t even stand someone standing behind me
you still aren't getting any.
@@baobui731 then don't go in public places. things happen in public places, people are there, people will go where they want in public places, people will look at things in public places. if this stuff bothers you, do not go in public places.
She's not saying it is illegal, just that it's creepy and effected her work.
It shouldn't be illegal in my opinion , I just think that it should be legal to slap them with no reprecussions
@@popando and then you get beat up by them
If it affected her work it's because she got distracted. She keeps saying she is a professional photographer, idk.
I TOTALLY understand what she's saying... but the other side of it is when you are shooting IN PUBLIC (You don't have a special permit and security) this kind of comes with the territory. People are going to look and some longer than others. If it's a beautiful female model, it's likely that some men are going to stop and stare. The best course of action is to approach the guys, explain that you notice that the model is not responding as before and ask them if they wouldn't mind moving further away. Your other options are screaming at them, beating them up, or paying for a permit and a policeman.
@@tech.gate.28 she was fine but the model wasn't
She was getting uncomfortable and not posing the same. Has nothing to do with Jessica
Everyone saying “it’s a public space, they have the right to stand where they want to stand” well wtf, okay picture this. You’re just minding your business in a public park, and a stranger just stands right next to you, SUPER CLOSE, like REALLY CLOSE, but not to the point that they will touch you. They then continue staring at you even if you tell them to stop, wouldn’t YOU be uncomfortable?
Tiff 03_ yes but this situation is different
MadnessMobile Blatantly staring at people even after being asked to stop is gross. Stop trying to justify it.
@MadnessMobile No one in this thread even mentioned the law, so it seems like you're the one pretending here. But actually there's a probable case here for harassment. They were asked multiple times by the ladies to stop staring and move along. Because you could say the behavior was repeated (being asked to leave many times and continuing to stare), there is grounds for legal action. Assuming they spoke English, which many seem to be debating, they were knowingly making these ladies uncomfortable and "repeatedly" doing so by refusing to stop.
Yes! If someone is making you uncomfortable, you should speak up. Doesn't matter where you are.
Yes I’d be uncomfortable but at the same time they’re not technically doing anything wrong by standing where they’re standing. It’s probably different because I’m a man, so I’d be less worried for my safety and more annoyed. But it’s still not technically wrong. I’m not defending it, but I think this is one of those situations where the men were taking advantage of their right to be there in order to be creepy
It’s uncomfortable when someone stares. Period.
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As a male photographer I would still have done the exact same, and would have felt just as uncomfortable having to men standing so close and watching my models or making comments as they did here; Its creepy and makes the model feel uncomfortable and self concious which no photographer wants for there models.
Ben O'Connell kinda weird how you say "my models" you mean "the models" but I know you probably didn't mean it that way
Kristen Gibson Not really weird at all. It's his models. He hired them. It's the right phraseology.
It's also something you say about people that you car about some, he doesn't want them to feel uncomfortable so he cares. My models is like saying my students or my girlfriend you wouldn't say the students or the girlfriend, would you? 😉
Jessica would say "my model" too, it's the right way to say it.
@@kristengibson6824 It's the same as saying "my employees". Nothing wrong with it.
Public or no, you dont interrupt people while they are WORKING. Do you stand around and gawk at and heckle a street crossing guard? A construction worker? A window washer? A paramedic? They needed to GTFO.
construsction sites are pretty cool to stare at tbh
@@itzelwind5813 That is exactly what I think, I love to watch people do their work, especially photoshoots because I am really interested in photography. And if I'm in a public space and just looking, there's nothing you can do about it.!
RightSaysTanja “there’s nothing you can do about it” what an entitled attitude. Someone is trying to work and you’re clearly interfering with their ability to do their job effectively. If you’re actually interested in photography you’d understand that this is how some people make a living. Be a little more self aware.
No the construction worker will hassle YOU if you're a female.
Please cite the ordinance or law they were breaching or violating? THEY WERE STANDING THERE QUIETLY, NOT BOTHERING OR SAYING ANYTHING. Insofar as your question about gawking... yes, as a photographer, I've done that many times in public, and have gotten some mighty great shots of the gawkers.
Ladies, If you have a bad gut feeling about a man watching you and you don't feel comfortable or safe, do something about it. You don't have to deal with them.
Sometimes you can't do anything about it, especially when it's the photographer. I hear that from a lot of girls, where male photographers won't talk, instead of resorting to more staring through the lens.
I mean, how easy is it for you to say when there are so many other situations where we can’t do something about it or if we do something about it, it escalates and the creep decides to take it further. You’re forgetting workplace environments, positions of power, age, experience, and the various mindsets of creeps.
I don’t care for this kind of rhetoric, it puts the responsibility on the person being targeted and not the creep causing the problem.
Once a guy wouldn't leave until i took a picture of him and a model, when i said no, he argued with me for like 15 min, and i was really polite at first trying to tell him to not disturb us. Finally I got mad and told him to fuck off, i seriously thought he will fight me, because he got really mad ( he was a big guy too)But we were in a middle of downtown in a pretty crowded area so he just cursed me out and left. Its scary ,especially if its just me and the model. Some guys need to chill , seriously
Here is a crazy advice, carry a pepper spray and scare them off! Sorry for the weirdness but how did he dare to bother my favourite photographer.
Irene Rudnyk d
I would love to hear his arguments. I mean what reasons did he give. People are just immature these days. Anyway sorry for you mate
Irene Rudnyk yes! It really can be scary! That's why if I can.. If I know the area my model and I will be going to is crowded or might have some people but like I live in the country haha so some places... No one would hear you scream 😱... So I either bring my husband or the models husband or just a guy that can whoop some booty if need be haha
Was it The Photo Fiend? J/k
PSA- If someone goes "please go away" IT DOES NOT MATTER whether you are male, female, just curious about what they're doing, have bad intentions, etc etc etc just leave. You're making them uncomfortable. Apologise and walk away. You'll probably see the pics on instagram anyway.
True true. And if you do not go away when someone asks you to go away, that is generally grounds for a harassment lawsuit. At that point they have made their feelings clear and have been polite enough to ask you to leave. If you do not leave at that point, that does count as harassment.
I wish I had the super power to make people go away just by telling them to. Wow!
A script for anyone else who has to experience this unfortunate situation: “Gentlemen we do ask that you move along, these ladies are not a spectacle and they are working. You understand.” And if they refuse to move: “If you choose to stay rooted to this spot that’s fine, this is public property so we will move our equipment. However if you choose to follow us it will be considered stalking behavior and we will be contacting the authorities.” :)
You don't even need to add the threat unless they don't comply, which most likely they will. Most people are cool if you approach them right.
@@dat2ra Which is why I specifically added “if they refuse to move” because this exact scenario could take place.
brits.
Jessica is trying so hard to justify telling this men to leave and she really shouldn’t have to do that they were in your teams personal space making people uncomfortable she had every right to tell them to leave
People are all different, and what is ok for one may seem wrong to another - are you really offended by seeing the sole of someone's shoe?
You ask someone to change their behaviour, but it is only a request; courtesy and politeness are different to different people.
In a public place, if you don't like something being done by someone else, it may be you who should move rather than getting upset.
she didn't have a right to tell them anything - you're confusing rights with entitlement
TheIronDuke no, she had the right to tell them to leave, but they also had the right to stay
@@dylanswrld coming back after they clearly got the message is grounds for a harassment lawsuit. she's paying for her model and her teams time and the 2 men knowing they're unwelcome and being SO CLOSE to her team and very clearly making the model uncomfortable- you people need to sotp justifying it. its creepy and its not okay, looking is fine staring is weird staring for so long? creepy. continuing to stare after being told to stop? harassment.
@@jennywithaglock3916 lmaooo staring at someone taking pictures in public is not harassment just because it makes you uncomfortable, theres literally a whole photoshoot going on its not like hes staring at some woman tanning on the beach. obviously i think he should have left when told because thats the right thing to do but at the end of the day its still legal for him to be there just like you are, maybe get a studio or shoot at sunrise when nobody is awake or go to a beach that no one is at...... common sense
I literally saw the model's composure change because it made her uncomfortable and it made me sad. Those men needed to leave
really terrible for model, photographer should of fixed the situation by moving shoot location somewhere private.
LostinOC Woah woah, these men were jerks but you’re getting a bit extreme here
@@minted9534 actually i want to know if that 2 guys standing there was Brad Pit and D.Beckham, do u think they will react the same? will tell them to go away?
Eldoral Suli if they’re being creep or interfering with my work I will.
@@lostinoc3528 whoa chill, maybe them but I don't think all men are evil haha
I get the whole "it's a public setting they have the right" but they were standing SO close it's like if you were having a picnic at the beach and a stranger just randomly comes and sits with you?? being in public doesn't mean you don't have the right to personal space?
it's not culturally acceptable in the U.S. to invade personal space... Respect cultural norms people..... 0_o
rana hakeem Yah they were way to close. They could have observed there work from a beach chair or something.
Well they are within their rights to watch a photoshoot. If you're that uncomfortable with people watching then you shouldn't be doing them in public. Also I don't think they were standing that close.
Love how guys like you instantly put the problem on the person being made to feel uncomfortabkle--or being honest, if it's a woman who's made uncomfortable, an army of you shows up to do exactly this, so not 'person', but 'woman'--by someone else's actions. Get this: I can't make someone acting creepy not act creepy. I simply expect a human being to have enough common sense to know what 'boundaries' are. If they don't, I have all right to TELL them what they are and to respect that. If they do, good; if they don't, I didn't do a THING to make myself feel uncomfortable. It's totally on them.
If you feel it's anyone's right to infringe themselves on other people then blame those people for the feeling they created in them--simply because YOU think it's okay--then that's a pretty tiresome cul de sac you're running around in. You control the action, not the REaction. Funny how you tell US to "deal with it" when ffs... we already DO. You just don't like the reaction. Well, tough titties, my friend.
but he didn't actually do anything. He has a right to stand in a public space, she doesn't have a right to remove him. It's pretty simple really. Whether it was morally right of him to stand there isn't the most important thing. Also you just assume he has bad intentions. He might be foreign and not understand the situation.
I feel uncomfortable and unsafe just by watching this.
Me too
Same!
I'm right there with you guys. Not even a minute into the footage of the photoshoot & my stomach started turning. I feel so terrible for the models, Jessica, and the rest of her crew. I don't know if it's just me, but their actions & body language feel predatory. Maybe that's just coming from my feelings during my experiences, but the fact they had to be asked to leave doesn't make me feel like they would've ever left & possibly even gained the courage to start harassing the models or the crew.
Same, but appreciate how she protested by uploading this video as a protest.
Right? I would be saying "let's leave; we'll do the shoot another day" at this point. I bet a lot of the people here who don't understand why this is creepy are men - because as a woman, to have MULTIPLE men standing practically on top of you, staring at you for over ten minutes, is genuinely scary. At that point, I'm wondering if they're planning to hurt me. I'm wondering if I need to call the police; checking to see where the closest people are; will they hear me if I scream? That's what would be going through my head.
With all the human trafficking going on you have every right to get angry.
exactly what was going through my mind!
Knowing when to ignore gawkers that are silently standing by \is a mark of one's level of maturity and professionalism. WHAT law were those two fellows violating? Not the appropriate time to act like a spoiled little girl or a prima donna wannabe.
Calico D'Nikonian shut up dude you’ve commented this on almost every comment I’ve seen literally you seem like the kind of person that would justify someone getting harassed because of they way they dressed.
@@onyxaxe1145 You LIE!
@@onyxaxe1145 Just showing two sides of a story. IF you don't like it, don't read it. Wanna hear silence? YOU shut up.
That felt offensive even to watch. It's a form of harassment. It's so sad that it continues to happen. I'm glad you spoke up for your team.
Thank you
That Damn Honey HAHAHA it's not harassment I'm literally laughing with my friend at how ridiculous this is
Anison224 hahahaha so it's not okay for someone to look at another human being in PUBLIC but it's okay for you to call someone retarded?? You're dumb as shit
Madeline Bernhardt No one asked for your opinion, but thank you!
Sophia & Tala your dumb as shit for think this is not fucking harassment you bitch get over it know ones on your side stop trying to prove a point you can't make
She was in the right to feel uncomfortable. Honestly you have to be careful who you go off on but if she didn't say something, something could of happened. The thing is she felt threatened. And the fact that a bunch of dudes are going off about it tells me a lot. Like saying "rent a studio? Don't go outside" is a water downed version of "if you don't want to get cat called don't wear a skirt or dress 'slutty'" like I hate it. Check your misogyny boys, it ain't cute.
brii tizzle preach!!
brii tizzle
Thank you
brii tizzle literally wtf this is not harassment if the photographer had a problem she could have gone somewhere else. They were not in a private area they were on a PUBLIC beach
Madeline Bernhardt we are glad
Madeline Bernhardt none of this is even has to do with common sense
I noticed immediately on the video when she felt uncomfortable, her body language changed immediately and that made me angry and I even wasn't there. It seemed like she wansn't feeling safe. You did the right thing.
That poor model looked *really* uncomfortable.
she looked straight up scared:( poor girl
You probably could have scared them off by pointing your camera at them and firing off some shots. That would have made them instantly self-conscious and probably too uncomfortable to stick around.
You've got a good sense of humour
Madeline Bernhardt get a brain and learn how to make sense before you start commenting shit to me:) thanks!!!!!!
Yeah right, and then they break your material
I've done it. With my phone too when I've noticed the creepy behaviors. It really works.
ive seen that cause problems
“But when you’re nice to them they don’t listen” SO TRUE! I am as nice and as friendly as I can possibly be to strangers but it has made too many of my friends act like the bad guy and stand up for me when guys do this kind of thing to me. I’ve learned it’s okay to be “not nice” if it means the guy will actually listen and begin to respect me.
Ahhh... it's all about being nice... like if someone tells you to go to Hades nicely... you'll go?
@@calicodnikonian2774 the point was when you asked them nicely they don't listen maybe you should read that comment again.
@@calicodnikonian2774 You missed the whole point of the comment dude🙄
Tbh it’s very hard to unlearn the behavior of girls always having to be nice. Sometimes I still do it. I swear most guys don’t understand that this is pressed into our brains since we are little and don’t understand just how dangerous it can sometimes be to not be nice.
That dude^^^ is an incel
I’m not going to try to be rude to men or anything but when a man is standing there staring at you, you get weird and uncomfortable and I don’t know how to explain this but you get this feeling, what these men did was wrong, even if it’s in a public space you can’t do that and she had the right to tell them to leave. Jessica rocks
can we take a minute to appreciate how gorgeous the model is tho
kia ota Love the pfp
Suomi Hylian thx love
Can’t relate😭😭
if you are a girl, otherwise you would be a creep.
@@lostinoc3528 ...no? that's not how that works. this person is not saying anything demeaning, rude, or belittling, they literally just wanted to appreciate someone's objective beauty. can you understand that? yes, there are many instances (way too many) of men degrading women for being objectively beautiful but this person was doing the opposite and showing respect and class.
I get that people want to look, but use common sense. It was very inappropriate to stand that close, like they were included in what you were doing. Even though you were in public, that did not give them or anyone else the right to invade everyone's personal space. I'm glad you said something, it was painfully obvious that your model was uncomfortable.
I agree, would someone come stand up right on your personal space if you were just out and about? Probably not, so what makes it okay to do it in this circumstance.
TheNerdyMonkey iui
they weren't really standing that close... They were just watching.
you probably have the better comment than everyone else.
We have a saying in Mexico that says "Don't go where you're not wanted or where you weren't invited"
Observing is natural I think but, creeping up like those dudes is weird. Unfortunately nowadays people don't respect anything or anyone.
Even though it's a public space. The girls were working trying to do their thing and we have to respect that.
Just because you see a group of women alone doesn't mean you can approach and be a creep.
"Creeping"? They were silent, hoping not to disturb. Ever consider that? They were standing RESPECTFULLY, not talking, not making noise, not interfering, nor obstructing. HOW about if a cop came and had started to ask asinine questions... "What are you doing?" "Why are you photographing?" and disrupting your train of thought?
I don't disagree with Jess; I merely pointed out a fact that everyone has "rights," too. But, in truth, since those were SUPPOSED gawkers, they could have been getting too close with other intentions... like snatching a camera... but, diplomacy is always the best option... even if you have a hired security guard present.
Calico D'Nikonian yeah having two strangers come up right next you and stare you down isn’t rude or uncomfortable at all lol. they were interfering because they clearly made the model uncomfortable. they thought “oh a pretty girl? i’m gonna walk right up and stare”
I get stared at on the train by adult men who are essentially “checking me out”. It’s a public area, does that make it okay?
btw, I’m not even 17 yet
It's immoral in our society, but not illegal.
If you feel threatened, walk away and call out loud for help.
If cornered, give all material things away and then fight your teeth out.
(No matter who you are, that's the smart thing to do on a street threat situation.)
That is absolutely NOT okay
Tell your parents or do tell someone about this like an adult who can do something about this situation... Or maybe sit somewhere else on the space? Those men are disgusting so best to stay away
I know what you mean I experience that since like 14 on trains and such I’m 18 so can’t do much
It depends from where this happend. There are some places where law states that staring intensly at someone and making them clearly uncomfortable is harassment and you can ask police for help (which you should do anyway, often seeing the "prey" asking for help is more than enough to stop them)
Bruh who tf wears a Suit to the beach. SMH 💀💀
A bathing suit?
Calico D'Nikonian No, I’m talking abt the “Suit”, the one you wear to a wedding or prom.
@@_raian.ahmed_ Bro, I was KIDDING!
Calico D'Nikonian Oh Lmaoo
Rainan commented and calico replied after 1 year where were you calico?Lol
I agree with you! I have done loads of shoots where I am the model and I have people staring and making me so uncomfortable that I want to leave or even worse shouting things like "how about a smile" "look a bit happier" etc etc which is really really awful for me and makes me super embarrassed. Even last night a guy with a camera was standing quite far away but kept pointing the camera at me and the way he was doing it not holding it to his face and how I was posing seemed like he was zooming in to do an up skirt type of shot. Yes it might be a public place but have some fucking respect and if something has nothing to do with you just ignore it and go about your own stuff.
superficialgirl oh my goodness "how about a smile"? How rude!!!
Awe omg that is horrible!!!
campsbaygirl omg yes I hate it when someone takes a picture of me and they say "smile?" And I'm like "I am fricken smiling, k?" Or if my friend looks at my selfie they'll say you need to smile more. smh.
super relatable! I love doing shoots in public, especially in a pretty setting. And sometimes when i pose a crowd gathers. Having a crowd is fine for me, but sometimes the things they say make me uncomfortable too. It sucks.
campsbaygirl I
all the men in the comments not getting why Jessica has every right to be creeped out...
IKR
ohheyitsrj actually I agree with the men. She has no right to be creeped out. She's standing in a public beach taking modeling photos with lots of people of course people will he interested. They didn't even say anything they were just watching, she could have moved
Complain about wanting equal rights and not to be judged by what you look like etc. Then complains it's scary when you're being stared at because it's a man. Just twist it to your benefit. For all you know he may be interested in the topic, he could possibly love photography or just finds the scene interesting in general. It's a public place, regardless of what you say or not it's not illegal. She was the one who started it. She asked if they wanted to walk through (politely) and then she started with the smart remarks "Okay... That's really weird," "Whatever, we got an audience." Like calm your shit, it's not big deal. It's not suspicious at all. You're doing something unique, entertaining and artistic. You have a beautiful model at a beautiful scene in a very popular space. What's wrong with people watching that happen? Oh, cause it's a male right? If it was a female it would be fine. She continues to give attitude and escalating the situation. He said something and her response was "I don't know what he said." Maybe she's lying? Or maybe he did give a reason and asked to stay and she didn't hear it. Then she rudely asked them to leave and they did. It was literally nothing. They stood there for a bit to watch and she was hammering attitude at them consistently. The whole thing is blown way out of proportion intentionally in order for a perfect click bait. It's all for views and attention. The actual video she has of them watching is two minutes, max. Why? Because there is either no more or little more that is just useless time. The fact that you actually think the men were doing something wrong is crazy. This chick lost her shit for no reason. They hardly even said anything! This is only a problem because they were two grown males, if they were females it would be no issue. She just wants something to complain about for attention. Talk about double standards...
"Constantly starred" is an overstatement. There was less than two minutes of footage at the scene. Simply because of the fact there was no real issue, she had no other footage and the men eventually moved on cause she made a big scene out of nothing.
There is one thing that i have to say, you as an individual may not be disturbed by to men standing very close to you and watching you, but that doesn't mean that she can't be disturbed by it. We are humans and will have opposite views but that doesn't mean one right and one isn't. If u aren't disturbed by it then that's how you live and what you believe, but it doesn't mean others have to believe it too. If after this you still think that i'm ignorant for not sharing the same views as you then you too are ignorant as well because everyone is entitled to their own views.. Also i never said that you weren't allowed in the friendly argument, I said that you shouldn't have called us "Fucking idiots" in what was a FRIENDLY argument.
You where getting a bad vibe from them. You don’t have to defend what you felt. They had bad intentions, that’s why you are so bothered by this.any people might be saying that what happened was not a big deal, but hey weren’t there. They couldn’t feel the encounter. Never feel like you have to justify those warning feelings, always listen to them even if everyone else is telling you (including yourself) that you are being ridiculous.
How can you tell if they had bad intentions? Was it written on their forehead? Maybe I missed it?
@@RightSaysTanja Haven't you ever gotten that intuitive feeling about some people? It's happened a lot in my case, and most of the time that gut feeling is probably right. It's better to be safe than sorry. You know when you watch a movie and you can usually tell who the villain is cuz of the way the movie presents the character even if it's not super obvious? It's something like that.
@@nanditamenon2219 If you are uncomfortable, then leave. If they follow you around, even when you told them that they are making you uncomfortable, then they definitely have bad intentions. But this is a public area, where everybody has the right to be, if they aren't doing anything illegal.
@@RightSaysTanja "If you are uncomfortable then leave". Alright fine, they leave to find another spot and get stared at again and leave again and get stared at again. When does it stop? If someone is sitting at a coffee shop and finds another person staring at them intently do they just leave? The only thing that solves is making the person receiving unwanted attention feel like they're the problem when in fact it is the person doing the staring. People need to mind their own business.
@@RightSaysTanja when you get a bad feeling about someone it seems irrational but its always good to follow it.
Once my work hired a new guy, making him my coworker. I instantly had this awful feeling about him even though he hadn’t done anything wrong. Long story short a bit later I found out he was sexually harassing all the teenaged girls who worked there (he was 30 something).
So you should never shame anyone for their gut feeling. Its important to listen to your 6th sense.
"I'm gunna yell at them." Tells them to leave sternly but still says please. Jess is the MVP. Sticking up for herself and her team. A+ girl.
These the same guys who been sending dms to your girlfriends saying “you’re beautiful, I wanna talk to you”
You're right lmao, I get quite a few weird guys like that.
Ikr. Not only is it unsolicited, it's illogical. Like "how is me being beautiful a reason to talk to you?" Maybe bring something to the table (i.e. have an actual, mutually applicable reason to talk to me), or f off. Contrary to the minds of selfish entitled creeps, people in their right minds don't care what randos on the Internet think.
The guys who don't see anything wrong with this are the type of guys to send those dms themselves to girls online they know have partners. Hence why they're so keen on defending them.
@@destyniiskywalker Illogical? "How is me being beautiful a reason to talk to you?" You do realize that we have a whole culture based on a phone app in which, people base their willingness to engage with one another on how attractive their profile picture is? (Talking about Tinder)
@@anthonyknight5114 I think you need to reread the pronouns.
Ugh, sorry they killed the vibe! There's ways to watch and be respectful!
EXACTLY!
There's ways to ask and be respectful.
yes
I Believe they didn't touch physically and even that's public area and crowded. freedom to watch is not national and it is internationally law. if you did reserved private property you have some sort of right to say but that's public area designed by nature and God for Everyone. they're are not problems and you created problems.
@@pematamang9268 Wait until someone physically way stronger than you whom you don't know comes that (!) close and intensely stares at you for minutes. We're not talking about just watching, it was intense staring, there's a difference. Don't tell me you wouldn't be scared. It's clearly predatory.
I'm male and they even made ME feel uncomfortable
I'm from India and I don't know why, when someone is doing a photo shoot, people just want to stand and stare.
Hell, I was with my boyfriend who was carrying a selfie stick and they literally surrounded us. not a photoshoot, just a selfie stick.
I felt like I was in a cage at the zoo. ( also the fact that my boyfriend is not Indian might have piqued their interest)
the worst thing is they behave the same (in fact I think worse) in other countries. Currently living in Singapore and its not only Indian but Bangladesh, Srilankan men just stare at me when my boyfriend is clicking pictures of me.
Recently we were at a popular spot for a photoshoot in Singapore & there were many pre-wedding & model photoshoots ongoing, but a group of Bangladesh men ( i understand the language a little bit) set up camp near me and started staring at me and I could hear they were talking about me. (they naturally assumed I didn't understand because the majority of the Indians in Singapore speak Tamil).
I got so uncomfortable. I just told my boyfriend to stop and sit next to me and enjoy the sunset....which irked me more since we were missing really good shots with the sunset.
After 10 minutes when they realized we arent gonna click any more pictures, they left.
I don't know what's wrong with such men and I'm not trying to be racist here but I can't help but feel uneasy and ashamed that I am associated with such people.
I'll be honest I have been ogled more here in Singapore than in India. Singapore is no doubt the safest country in the world, but a lot of women here have faced similar issues. (but all are tagged "Indian men" when they probably might be from some other country.)
I was told that these men who mainly hail from rural parts of their countries are not used to seeing "modern women"(whatever that means), especially Brown women with jeans, tee, skirts, shorts or dresses.
but there is no excuse for them to behave in such a way. Multiple times I have stared back at them angrily or just gave an angry "what the hell is your problem?" look.
I guess things might change when I move to France...🙏Hopefully 🤞
I'm so sorry you had to face that sort of awkwardness. Trust me, even in Bangladesh there are guys that stare at ANY girl (I'm from bd). Tho thankfully not all guys are like that.
I'm so glad there's no comment here saying this is "racist" because it does happen more with desi men. I'm indian and this staring thing happens a lott. There's no way to say it politely. It's a problem we need to address it and solve it instead of acting like it doesn't exist.
They watch because their life is so boring and different to the Westeners, and they're not raised to be polite so they don't get the social hint
@@alden.morton yes true but not just to westerners. They do it to everybody. The sad thing is that they probably don't see why that is wrong.
Sanjana Patwari True. That should make one thing obvious. We just don’t know why. Let’s understand a culture instead of branding them. It’s a vast country with many problems. Doesn’t mean they’re people one should be free to cringe on.
Any "man" who thinks this is okay, if you're daughter or sister were in this situation and they were very noticeably uncomfortable, would you feel the same? A lot of us "men" need to grow up, and learn how to put ourselves in women's shoes when it comes to these kinds of situations. Seriously, a lot of these comments are justifying what happened or blaming the person/people who felt uncomfortable. Yes it's a public place, but she was within her rights to do and say what she said. If you don't think what those men did was creepy or weird, then the problem is definitely not with how Jessica handled the situation, but with you.
Tessema Osaze Bey™ if my daughter or sister is a model, then I wouldn't have a problem. If my daughter or sister is being sexually abused or harassed then that's what I have a problem.
Stop telling guys they should respect women just because they could be "their sister or their mom". Guys should respect women just because they're human beings.
Winchester 67 That's not exactly what he said.
Thank you for being "SMART" and writing this comment
Tessema Osaze Bey™ say it louder for the people in the back
Anyone saying it's not harassment needs to have two strangers get in their personal space and just stare at them. Let's see how quickly they become uncomfortable.
There's a difference between strangers making you uncomfortable and them actuallly harassing though. I'm not saying this isn't creepy or uncomfortable as hell and considering she asked them to go away and they didn't, it's at least bordering on harassment. Had they walked away and the men followed them, then yes, definitely.
jgowee harassment : aggressive pressure or intimidation. Men blatantly staring at you even after you ask them to stop is intimidating and aggressive.
@@sydnerella24 that's why this can't be definitively classified as harassment and it becomes too subjective, which is not how definitions work. They didn't aggressively pressure or intimidate from what I'm seeing. No threats or coercive behavior was used, they didn't follow them around. They stood and stared. Creepy? Yeah. Harassment? Not quite.
Still isn’t harassment
you go girl.
You hardly even "snapped."
You seem fairly polite and reasonable even in the peak of frustration.
If I were on that crew I would have walked up to stand behind them and diverted their attention in some non-hostile way at first so they might turn around at least, then dealt with them further in whatever way necessary. (keeping it legal). The photographer and model shouldn't be the ones to worry about crowd control.
If I wanted to see how a random photographer at the beach does her job, I would definitely ask first before standing creeply cloose to them.. It's just weird tbh
This is just like if you was painting or drawing or even writing something and someone was looking over your shoulder it would make you feel uncomfortable when you are trying to work. When you are working you need space to do your thing. And people in your space involving themselves in your work because you happen to be doing it in a public place is ridiculous. Show some goddamn respect for people and stop getting in their way and making them uncomfortable no one likes to be stared at. Damn this makes me so mad.
Yet people DO draw and paint outside though, which is what this shoot is. The second you take any type of creativity platform outside you're going to get people to look. That's like starting to play a trumpet outside and expecting people not to want to listen and stand by or scream at you and tell you to stop.
Still wouldn’t compare a painting or a drawing to working with a live model, young girl, but i get what u sayin✌️
Dylan dude, this also goes for you. There is a photographer, a camera and a model. You keep comparing the objects like trumpet and painting, to an alive human being! The tool here is the camera, people around will NOT see or hear the results on spot. So they can move on with their lives and stop staring when they notice this situation going on in public
I know it may not be possible all the time, but you should really consider having a guy friend with you on shoots like this. People are just so strange and a group of beautiful girls can be a target.
I didn't say they weren't. If there were a man with them, those creepy guys probably wouldn't have stayed and watched like that.
Good for you for having an opinion, troll.
+Annesha Adams you feminist women are so annoying
Bingo. Getting a male assistant would make a protection presence on that type of photo shoot, being a bloke myself I can tell those guys were like wolves .
Not only that guys would be able to make their presence felt, they can be a neutraliser in this kind of situation where in a simple gesture of conversation can make a difference. I didn't say that girls cannot do that but certainly these cant!
lol in our school handbook, staring is a form of harassment
LOL
Name of your school, and City and State where it's located...?
Calico D'Nikonian that’s kinda creepy
@@calicodnikonian2774 Asking for somebody's specific school is just weird. I know you're curious but that isn't information you should be asking anybody for and it's really none of your business.
@Henrique I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. It's weird in any way, even if the guy was trying to find out if they went to the same school.
They were acting predatory. You can ask police to investigate suspicious behavior.
THAT is exactly what nosy people do to photographers,call the police to investigate and harass innocent, constitutionally protected activity.
@@calicodnikonian2774 Jesus Christ, one year later you're still vigorously defending. Chances are far greater than 0 that you're one of these creeps. You're not all up there either way.
@@calicodnikonian2774 Sheez you have a lot of free time.
Completely understood. These two men intruded too much in your personal space with their attitudes. It is hard to explain to other men who have never felt that way. Everyday on my way to work I pass by the security guy who makes me uncomfortable each time. Either with the looks or the uncomfortable greetings and questions. You just know when someone is being too creepy on you. Not all violence is physical. It is not written in any law, but this kinda behavior is really not ok.
Maja Levak you should report that kinda behavior
I don't think there would have been anything that would have changed by reporting them. I am going to guess that they were not Americans as we have a larger sense of space and find staring too long rude. It can be tough doing a shoot in such a public space. I usually just smile at looky-loos and wait til they move along. Those guys....they would have ran if you started taking their photos! Ha!!
Yeah I completely agree Maja. I had/have a stalker, and each time we pass each other it isn't that normal passing of a few glances and continuing straight on. But the uncomfortable stare of intently watching you, and it can give anyone the creeps. I can COMPLETELY understand how being stared at that way can make someone uncomfortbale
im a very private person n also due to upgrowing in abuse also im introvert ... i need my personal space in or outside my home... due to being a woman or looking young... i have to suffer these things being compromised
Akane I know theres these indian guys at stores that stop me doing shopping they block me and corner me n demand me to give them my number...etc.... there was once an african tall man who was a store security guy stalked me round the store asking invasive personal questions i didnt want to answer... told him politely so many times im just here to do my shopping not looking for friends.... not the place for long chats.... he keeps pestering me everytime i go in the store..... then he left the store one day when i left n followed me down the road.... so i freaked out n ran for my life n he ran after me long story short i got away from him after another store security guard failed to hold him back while i made my escape n after he almost caught up to me... i ran for my train afraid he got there too..... but he lost his job that day for leaving his post in pursuit of me...... obv he couldnt take no for an answer n maybe thot my politeness as getting somewhere until i turned him down point blank n started ignoring me leading up to the following me out the store..... it was scary experience of my life
It's appalling to read all these comments from disgusting "men" justifying what these two jackasses were doing. It makes me think they justify it cause they also bother women on the street. They were clearly harassing you and next time you should call the police. It's goddamn time we start shaming harassment, there's too much of it going on out there.
hahaa triggered.
I'd love to hear that call. "911, what is your emergency? I'm on a public beach and someone is looking at me".
What's truely disgusting is you turning this into a womens rights issue when feminism has no place in this comment section. People are so easily offended these days. So quick to twist situations into something they're not.
So, I bother women on the street now? Because my opinion is different from yours? Now look who's being inappropriate!
I agree. "Oh but it's a public place place I can look" But you're making people, in this case women very very uncomfortable. Even when they asked to stop and go away, they didn't. Whether you wanted to hear about women's rights or no, this is what we encounter on a daily basis.
Bro.. if I make another human being so uncomfortable to the point THEY VOCALIZE asking me to please leave, IM GONE. Cue the meme of the black kid doing a peace sign and disappearing lmao like-
Lmao right??? I never want to make people feel unsafe
I use to hate going to the beach because creepy dudes use to stare at me and my friends why were we in our bathing suits.
I am getting caught up on your videos. Have you thought about bringing a guy with you to these shoots? To everyone commenting, you can clearly see that the men were right up on them. Yes, they were shooting in public, but personal space and courtesy still exists. They should have respected the group of women rights to personal space and the fact that they were working. I don't think Jessica was trying to be self-centered nor overreacting. At some point you do have to stand up for yourself. Women shouldn't always have to be the bigger person, just take it, or be forced to move.
I am Big, 6 foot 4 and some Females and guys look at me too when im shooting a beautiful girl. Some people are like that, I don't mind as long as they are not looking in my private garden area.
Yurrah Al-Hadi it's sad that people have to bring men along with them to feel safe.
Yurrah Al-Hadi this video is a joke literally those men were probably just curious about what tf they were doing in PUBLIC beach. They were not doing anything and if this photographer felt uncomfortable she could have went somewhere else
Yurrah Al-Hadi this video is a joke literally those men were probably just curious about what tf they were doing in PUBLIC beach. They were not doing anything and if this photographer felt uncomfortable she could have went somewhere else
Yurrah Al-Hadi this video is a joke literally those men were probably just curious about what tf they were doing in PUBLIC beach. They were not doing anything and if this photographer felt uncomfortable she could have went somewhere else
Next time something like this happened, dont ask them to go, just turn to them , take pictures of them, stare at then, they will leave, trust me, been there.
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韩芸睫 what if they break her camera for taking pics of them ? It is not THAT easy. We never know.
They left when she asked them to. No need to go to war xD.
But they should have been able to see they were uncomfortable by themselves. Not hard to tell really ...
@@BBaaaaa but it's "public space". She can just say, she tried to make photos of the beach.
@Bia Bueno Then they would be breaking a law and should be charged with property damages or vandalism of property.
I’m a model and I was doing a location test shoot and there were 2 Asian men with cameras who started taking pictures of me. The photographer and stylist looked them up and down, as if to say go, but they carried on following us. I was only 14 it was so scary 😂
Kiah Rose bruh that’s concerning 👀
Oh my gosh! How scary and creepy.
sorry but I did giggle a bit at "sand castle meeting" though the nature of this video is serious and nobody should ever make people feel uncomfortable like that
To all the people in the comments saying this is "okay" or "you should expect an audience", etc. how about you stop telling people when they should and shouldn't be uncomfortable in a situation YOU have not been in. This is not about you, this is about them being in an uncomfortable situation. She's not asking for your validation on whether or not it was wrong or not, she's telling you that it is wrong and that they felt like those two people overstepped their boundaries.
"Let me know you guys' thoughts..." Sounds like she wants to know what the viewers think. Also a RUclipsr can hardly tell their audience what to comment and what not to. Why suppress different opinions?
YEAH. like she literally said that she doesn't care if people take a glance, or observe them working or whatevery because it's common. they weren't "just observing". harassment doesn't have to be physical, and they aren't just innocent bystanders they had their attention solely on the girls, and are responsible for the way they can be perceived in a public place, especially if their perception is easily seen as predatory
Honestly speaking, I bet no one likes to be stared at, especially when they've made it clear that it makes them uncomfortable. Why has so many people lost the ability to sympathise for others and understand them? If someone clearly states that they're feeling uncomfortable or threatened by you, you back off, even if it's public space or a 'free world'. You cannot use that as a reason to stay and make them feel more uncomfortable. Maybe many of you think this whole thing was overrated, but trust me, if you were in their shoes, you would understand. For all those who cannot, and will not even try to, it's because you haven't come to wrap your mind in how affecting it can be for a person.
Anyways, always try to put yourselves in their shoes, and understand their feeling, because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't wanna feel like that either.
That's exactly what I find so baffeling about the video and the discussion in the comment section - nobody seems to be willing to sympathize with the other side. You for example don't seem to grasp that somebody might never have seen a photographer with a model before and is interested in what is going on. We all saw the video and it obviously could all have been a misunderstanding. But instead of acknowledging that the men in the video (that never agreed to be shown in a RUclips video) might not have had bad intentions they are portrayed as evil monsters. I even saw the word rape thrown around. How about this: The men misread the situation (a group of people standing around a photo shoot, maybe it's something where everyone can join in watching, it's a public beach after all) and got screamed at pretty much instantly. Now they are in a RUclips video where people in the comment section can insult them. That seems very one-sided to me.
The model was sooo uncomfortable, and you can see she relaxed when they left
You did the right thing. When two grown men strangers don’t respect a few young girls enough to walk away when they’re asked & know they’re uncomfortable, then their intentions can’t be honourable. Definitely dodgy.
This. If I can't trust you to walk away when I tell you I'm uncomfortable, how can I trust you to not hurt me?
Those men appear to be Indian or from the central Asian countries. Trust me, i know exactly how they are. They are not ashamed to stare. I've been to Bangladesh once. I get on a bus with my husband and once we start conversing, people around physically turn their heads and won't stop looking at us. As if we're aaliens. Yeah we r foreigners but isn't it rude to stare?? Some cultures don't know this common logic.
i kind of understand your point because im indian and when ever i visit india i usually get stared at but at the same time i think its rude for you to just assume their race and to say "some cultures don't know this common logic" because some people do and your just making a lot people look bad in my opinion.
Only of the age group though. Younger Indian men are way more respectful, but you can't assume all old Indian men are bad anyways.
freedom of see unless if they not touch. Public area for anyone not only for reservation for special one. For example the house or shelter design for humans not for dogs or any pets.
I’m not exactly sure what there ethnicity has anything to do with men staring. Confused as to why bring that up there are many black and white men who are as equally or even worse then these dudes. I don’t think it has anything to do with their skin color or culture.
It's not common logic. Just because your culture told you it was rude to stare does not mean other cultures accept that way of thinking. Just like Americans ask foreigners to respect their culture, respect other peoples culture when you visit THEIR countries.
TO ANYONE ABOUT TO DEFEND THESE GROSS MEN GOODBYE. Normalizing creepy ass behavior is not going to do anything but encourage it. Nothing about what they were doing was respectful and it doesn't matter that she was shooting in public. There's an entire beach to be creepy lol
Kati callahan and you know how someone else would've reacted to this? probably normally and ignored them..
Thomas N. i would feel weird if 2 creepy ass men were watching me
Kati callahan Encourage what?? Using their eyeballs?!
standing right next to them, you guys, is not at all "Not creepy"
Me, male hobby photographer, and my model, young and very attractive, were doing a shoot near a construction site. It was kinda spicy, yes, including heels, garters, playful poses, but still non-nude.
During the shoot, several of the workers gathered together near the fence and penetratingly stared at us (read: her). She is a pretty tough character so she laughed it off, but we both started to feel annoyed already. On the way back, we had to pass close to those men (average age: about 55). They went silent and followed her with their eyes in a way that "creepy" would only describe it so far.
I intuitively changed sides and walked closer to the fence, taking the tripod on my shoulder a: to flex a bit and look confident and b: to use it as an actual weapon if necessary. No joke, I did not rule out the danger that this might happen.
One of several experiences I / we made with men present at photo shoots. Starting from dumb and useless comments over sexist jokes to penetrant staring, passing cars honking and guys yelling rape fantasies - all those things already happened, even when we were present with 2 men at the shooting to assist / protect the model ...
Dudes - those pretty women are flirting with the CAM, not with YOU, dammit!
@@SK-sz9ky I get what you're saying but even then men should still have some respect and act decent, a woman's choice in clothes or lack thereof should not determine if a man is going to choose to respect her or not, and tbh men who work construction are usually so horny that they'll flirt with just about anybody no matter what they're wearing. What the photographer should have done was do the photoshoot when the men are off of their shift so there wouldn't be so many inappropriate interruptions for the model
@@breannesmith8580 If they're working in two shifts all through the day that would have been no option. Besides - we are still glad we stood our ground and did claim the right to be there and do that with those guys actually being in responsibility of treating us with simply the usual amount of everyday respect, nothing more, nothing less. It is still nothing else but victim blaming to use an argument like "why did you be there in the first place?".
@@s.o.4339 I wasn't trying to victim blame at all and if it came across that way I apologize. Those men should have given you and your model the proper respect. I was only trying to say that if it was possible to do the photoshoot when those men are not working it may have been more comfortable for you and the model but if that wasn't possible which is what you said then by all means stand your ground because you do have a right to be there which is something that I agree with.
Can we take a moment for Jessica on how amazing she was to protect the model and can we also relish on the BEAUTY OF THE OCEAN..... WOWWW
It has been years since I ever been to the ocean.
been there sister..
as a model and as a photographer it's so disgusting when people do stuff like say/yell nasty stuff or photobomb without permission. like i get it, i've had people call me over nicely or ask me politely if i could spontaneously take a picture without me actually knowing them and that's fine, i usually oblige as long as you know your limits. what those men did was unacceptable and it was totally okay on your behalf to act the way you did.
You seem like a diplomatic person with experience. I totally understand. But, wouldn't a diplomatic response been better? I've even had guests at weddings deliberately get in my way (and I was the paid photographer, OK?) and I used diplomacy and won them over. I even had the father of one of the kids I was photographing get kicked out of the premises (school auditorium) and he was a cop who "wanted to make sure (I) was doing it right..." he was NOT a photographer; I WAS.
I'm so disgusted at these comments. Actual men are trying to justify their actions. Honestly, I know so many people have mentioned that you should bring a guy along and I completely agree. Have him somewhere within a distance so that you can fully shoot the model and properly bond without feeling uncomfortable and once some 'assholes' try to bother you, just signal the guy to come over and help.
Lyssa Diane “ justify their actions” what? Just staring? I agree that they were standing too close but you’re making it seem like they were constantly harassing and cat calling them. Stop being so dramatic.
They were being creepy, she told them to leave, if they left without further disturbing, it's at least better. They were not harassing them, but it was creepy enough to disturb the photographer AND the model.
While they have been polite by not pushing it further, they shouldn't have done something like that eather. It literally shows in their behavior (more the models behavior) that it is seriously uncomfortable.
Does not really matter if they are guys (even if it might be linked), staring and stepping into someone space like that is just weird XD
They however do not need a "guy" to be here and like protect them. They can tell them to go, and it wouldn't escalate further in a public space like that.
I dont think she needs a body gaurd there haha I think she handled the situation just fine.
I think it's sad that it would take another guy to get them to leave 😞
when i was 14 i was into cosplay, i had a photoshoot with my friends (who are also 14) in a park, right when I got into the gate, 2 adult men following us the entire day, they try to flirt and touch us without permission... the entire day was ruined because we didn't feel safe to take photos where there's no crowd
IF that happens again, PLEASE be loud and let others hear you! Most women are taught to be quiet or polite while men can do whatever they want. If you will be loud and yell at the men with your friends, others will realize what's going on and help you in some way! (Also the men could realize that you're not an easy target or something like that) don't be scared to help others too
@@ballsrballing next time i would probably tell him off, if he persist i'll just straight up punch him if he touch me
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I'm very saddened by the fact that people are validating rape culture. If someone is uncomfortable and asks you politely to stop staring, then you need to stop. A woman shouldn't have to feel uncomfortable or ask multiple times.
Don't use the word rape culture. :)
Or phrase, rather.
WTF Rape culture!?!?!?!? SMH
Britty Jean rape culture? what are you smoking?
Rape culture shuuuut up you don't have to bring fake political crap into thisss
How is the model going to be able to stay comfortable! They are standing there staring! I get people will want to watch but seriously be considerate!
Personal. Space.
I understand them wanting to watch and see the photo shoots but standing there intensily staring at them is bound to make people uncomfortable
alyssaaa honestly! Like that is their job. The model is getting paid to pose and if you interfere that is hurting their career.
@@sarahsullivan6556 Looking or staring is interfering? HOW about if the model concentrate on her job and leave others on public venue the eff ALONE? You pretend to tell others what to do or not to do on public venue but won't let them tell YOU what to do or not to do on public venue? Non sequitur.
@@calicodnikonian2774 It wasn't the staring (well maybe a little bit about the staring) but more about how close they were. They stood right next to the girls! Of course, you would be worried about someone that close to you. If they watched from a little further away then they would be more respectful.
"When you're nice to them they dont listen"
There is a vibe from those guys, coming through the video!, Creepy guys. "respectful is all your asking" Glad you are aware and stand up for work/team .
they could stand 50 feet away and watch from a distance, that is creepy.
I know!!! I shooted once by the river and some guys tried to get close to us and touch the girls!!and i was like wtf man and chased them and one of my friends almost hit them and we were so scared because they would tease us coming back so we had to leave in the end. Some people are so annoying and they are happy making you uncomfortable! yes, it is a public place but it doesn't mean you can invade other people personal space or activity! I support what you did, and you were still very polite lol people need to learn more respect! you did well protecting your models from feeling amused! Keep it up Jessi!! I support you!
This reminds me of a time where I was shooting in a neighborhood with my friend who wanted a shoot. We were really close to the street and this car pulls up to a stop sign and I pay him no mind you know, because it’s a street. But while I’m shooting I can see out of the corner of my eye that the car isn’t moving and he’s just stopped staring right at us and I look over like okay well um well maybe he’s never seen something like this so whatever. A few more minutes go by again and he’s still stopped at the stop sign [there’s no other cars driving on that street at the time btw, so he was VERY obvious] and I turn around again and he has his phone out recording us trying to be slick. I know she was so uncomfortable because she wasn’t even a model yet mind you, she’s just getting started so I know it was extremely weird for her because it was for me. But once we noticed him recording that’s when he drove off, like so weird omg
I agree 100% it's like when you are looking at someone on a train or in a public setting and they just stare at you while you are looking at them, like it's rude right?
Them doing that is no different than if you are hanging out with friends and family are enjoying themselves and having these random weirdos just leering at the people you care about even after you politely excuse them.
Even not including that, they were interrupting your work and making the model uncomfortable. It's not ok. Sure some people come from places where it's not weird but just like going them and invading their space isn't ok, you go somewhere else, try not to be completely rude and gawk at people, just like some places you're expected to cover up more. Just need to try and be aware of your surrounding culture.
Exactly. I get that it's the public space and they have a RIGHT to be there, which means it's not illegal for them to stop and stare. But anything who thinks that it's justified to stay there is ignoring that it's uncomfortable, it's weird, it's creepy, and it's disrespectful to people who are working and minding their own business. Is it illegal to stop and hang out there? Of course not! But it's also creepy and stupid and wrong.
Sincerely, a dude who isn't stupid and knows that making people uncomfortable, even if legal, is still wrong.
these men were way to into their business. like it’s so rude and intrusive. two older men watching younger women do completely normal things. like you can watch for a minute or so and than walk away. you can’t just stand there and stare at younger women like that, especially the model. she’s trying to look nice and do her job but the two men were making her uncomfortable, and everyone else. they shouldn’t of stayed there they should of just left.
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You think that's snapping? Omg I don't even want to know what I'm like 😅
That’s why I walk around with a pitchfork.
Actually in India and Bangladesh (where I travelled a lot) it's not impolite to stare and people do stare like they are watching television at whatever happens anywhere, inside or outside. It's not considered rude even if you say you rather not have them watch. It's so weird and really freaked me out when I was travelling. I can imagine your nerves cracking. It is a cultural thing, females do the same thing by the way.
they only stare when youre a foreigner, its not justified but im just saying
Being an Indian I apologies for the discomfort you had to go through because of the usual creeps (just the males) here, which trust me mostly any native decent/good looking girl also goes through mostly daily.
And about girls, um yeh I guess the illiteracy of major part of population is the reason as Varun mentioned.
Again sorry for the discomfort and just if next time someone really bothers you, look a quick eye around for any group of decent people and they'll manage it from there (;
the thing is, you can't really complain about underprivileged countries like India because 1/4 of our population is illiterate
Supriya Kannan there is a reason Indians are underprivileged after more than half a century of Independence
My neighbors do that. They are Indian and any time I am gardening they are just standing there and watching me. Feels so uncomfortable
There are some people with super negative energy. They don't have to say or do anything, just there sheer presence is enough to throw your equilibrium off. In this case by them being present, you all had developed a creative block and they drained your energy. Being frustrated by the situation is good because now you know your six sense are working. Just don't let it get to you because you're not the only one that was creeped out by them. In other words, your not crazy 😀
It's so uncomfortable when people stare at you, I've experienced this as well. :/
Yes, I can understand. It's a social issue, not a lawful/legal issue, unfortunately, but it would make everyone's life intolerable, insufferable and impossible to deal with all the possible complaints EVERYONE would have to deal with. I understand about feeling uncomfortable but you must learn to be the mature person and either ignore it or move along. I suspect that's not the answer you want to hear but... is there something better, short of breaking the law?
So I know this is an older video but I just have to say the way this person acted is not ok. Not just for the models and people working who felt uncomfortable, that’s bad enough. But also for the simple fact that this is a job! Someone is working for a client possibly to create a certain image for them and you are stopping that process which is unacceptable. There’s a difference between being someone who is watching like “oh what is going here let me check it out” but to walk into the shoot, to try to touch the model or photobomb the image is completely unacceptable.
During my shoots, I've experienced people like this. But in NY, there's a variety of people. Those men could've been foreigners from countries where it's normal to observe, you have a right to be uncomfortable of course but the way you asked them to leave was unprofessional in my opinion. If they refused, then they're obligated to do so since it's in public during peak season. If you had moved spots & they followed, then it would be crossing a line. Modeling in front of strange men is uncomfortable too, but also being a model means your photo is going to be viewed by even more strangers-- Nothing you can do besides what's in your own capability as another human on a busy beach.
Dude, she told them politely at first, but they did not listen so she told them off the second time.
Emiliahugstrees Like I said, they could've been foreigners who maybe couldn't understand what she was trying to communicate.
bitsibean makes sense but why don't you try taking photos of a model who is uncomfortable. the space makes a difference to. if I tell you something and I'm 2 feet away from you, you'll feel fine. but if I put my lips right next to your ear and then tell you, you WILL be uncomfortable
Jessica Hiebert I've had plenty of shoots with uncomfortable models. It's difficult but you do what you can. Those people were not right on top of them, they were quiet & observing. You are on a public beach, it's expected especially in that area. Remaining professional is a role of both photographer & model as well.
bitsibean i agree
The thing with this is that they told the guys to distance themselves because they felt uncomfortable, it's a big beach, they asked respectfully. The fact that they wouldn't leave them alone and stared at them with faces that held more than just curiosity and questioning is harassment. It's a public place, yes. But if you make someone feel uncomfortable and they tell you to stop and it's more than easy to walk 10 feet in the opposite direction, why stay and stare?
I understand how you girls felt, that's not a fun situation to be in at all.
Another alternative would be to take your safety into consideration and walk away to another section of the beach. If they follow you, either leave, say something more, or threaten to call the police.
The whole crew shouldve started taking photos of them as if they were the models LOL
When you said “I’m not assuming anything.” NO. You have a right to assume. You have an absolute reason to assume the worst of people if they are aware they are making you and others uncomfortable and choose to push it anyways. Never apologizing for judging people negatively when they treat others badly. Peer pressure them into being better people but never blame yourself or make excuses for being upset. You have nothing to apologize for
ohhhh they are indian(or seems like it)
I’m Indian, and Indians just watch everything lol, they like to get into others businesses, and intently watch. My grandma does that, and it’s creepy af. They think that if we show that we are interested, they would feel proud.
Yeah they probably did that because they were interested, but when you guys asked them to go, they should have. Yeah idk why they did that
lol
Staring Indians... Creep me out
I guess theres also...when in rome, do as the romans... It might be ok when its with indians, and those with the same culture..but they should be aware that the world is different
I'm an Indian too but that's not an excuse to stare at people. Back here people feel uncomfortable too when they stare. Indian or not, diffirent culture or not, people need to know when something is out of line
No one I know does that?? Being Indian doesn't justify creepiness
Welcome to New York! Too many weird, annoying, and downright rude harassers. You have to learn how to be rude to live here. It's another world.
I didnt see where they harassed anyone. Did they say something rude? Standing there looking (even if it is creepy) at a public beach isnt a crime. Most people would look for a few and keep it moving. As scary as it is, I didnt see the guys do anything wrong. Stop trying to act like New Yorkers are any different from other places. Being "weird, annoying, and downright rude harassers" isn't limited to New York. But, your advise on learning how to be rude will make sure New Yorkers are in 1st place when it comes to that category.
Louis Ballz You clearly have never lived here. When crackheads are patrolling every station in the subway annoying you for money, attempting to sing and dance while they stuff a dirty hate in your face every morning before work, people constantly looking to pickpocket you or steal something from you. Yea you never lived here so you would never know. IT very much so is different here. You have to be on your toes and people are just trying to get where they have to go, they aren't looking to be polite. These two idiots were standing there and staring very closely, did not leave when asked to, and continued to congregate when they were not welcomed. That is harassment, maybe not illegal, but harassment especially to women who can't physically defend themselves if they were to attack them. Get real and get out of your bubble you are living in.
Went and gotten something to drink? You do know photographers operate by light, right? Clearly they were there at that time because that's the lighting and location Jessica wanted for her shots. Going for a drink might have meant coming back to darkness.
I guess this video is her public shaming two guys for watching her get "her shot". No pic is worth me compromising my or the models safety. But, that's just my personal opinion. Carry on!
+Alec Sanchez that's not the point , he was watching clearly interested in the shoot . She doesn't own the beach to talk about personal space .
Us girls KNOW to listen to the creep factor. Always listen to yourself. People give u bad vibes for a reason. Some ppl are just creeps and have ill intent..and especially as women we need to be on guard and listen
There’s a difference between being interested and watching the shoot and being a total creep, this was borderline predatory. You don’t need to get up close to see what’s happening, they were definitely odd.
Totally understand your being uncomfortable. But as suggested perhaps treat it as any other interruption and simply stop for a few min. Chill out and chit chat with the model till they go away. Another suggestion made from chivalry is perhaps hire a bouncer type fellow to accompany you guys around. Reality is men are jerks. Those guys simply seemed out of culture but needed a lesson in our manners. So sorry you were uncomfortable. ...if I was there, and I'm a guy new to photography I would have approached you most likely and told you I was a subscriber and wanted to stick around a little to learn : ) but if I sensed uncomfortableness I'd leave in a jiffy. But that's my American culture. Perhaps those bozos didn't have it.
This is great, thank you. I usually go up and talk to the model like I did in the video but these guys wouldn't leave even after I did that twice :/ next time I'll pull my team to the side and take a 5 minute break.
Chilupian. CC&C hi
Photographers/normal people shouldn't need to hire someone to keep them safe just because there are creepy men
@@isabellehtang9477 A man, nonetheless. THEM saying no should hold the same meaning as a man saying no....
although it is annoying but I think those 2 guys are just foreigners and probably didnt mean to bug you. Probably thought the model was some sort of "celebrity" or something.
Probably, people from different parts of the world have different standards of what is acceptable in social situations.
bingo
das right
i feel like it has to be said that the whole photography team and the model were women and the two doing the gawking were men. a lot of men have this thing where they treat women like objects, like art to be consumed or stared at or contemplated, unaware and/or uncaring about what the subject of their attention is feeling, when they're uncomfortable or would rather be left alone. a lot of men can justify it, too, like 'oh, women are crazy, that's why they told me to leave' if they're not just turned on by being creepy and predatory, asserting their power over women in whatever pathetic way they can. you stood up for not only yourself and the women on your team but the women nearby on the beach, the women who will watch this and be emboldened to say something next time some creep is bothering them, standing too close, acting too friendly. you don't have to justify what you felt, you can see the looks on their faces that they're amused by your discomfort. and i know this is an old video but it's still an important lesson.
I had that too once, when I and my friend took pics of each other. But two guys started to watch and then starting to take pics of us too. That was really creepy. Unfortunately we didn't say anything just walked away
It's harassment plain and simple- and they had no right to cause such discomfort, especially after she asked them to leave first politely, and then more urgently. Stop normalizing harassment @people in the comment section. It's not ok
Furthermore, I hate how people are like "it's public/you're shooting, learn to deal with it blah" but no one should deal with harassment? It shouldn't be something that's ok to get used to...
Rebecca Trumble What the fuck? How was that harassment ? Did the men happen to say something sexual to them? Did they shove their cock up their asses or something? They seem like people who just wanted to watch a Photoshoot that happens to be in public. They weren't causing harm, maybe if the model was actually professional, then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place?
Rebecca Trumble more like she harassed them, they probably didn't even speak English. Should've relocated and if they followed call the cops.
young jos If you are not a woman, you have no right to decide whether or not this is harassment.
I completely understand why you felt uncomfortable. I've come to find out never let those who intrude your space realize you're bothered. Some push the limits as power trips especially when its men vs women. I've come across similar situation where I completely stopped what I was doing briefly approached onlookers to shake hands say, "hi, how are you today" a lil small talk and a smile to see there true intentions. Once I've got a vibe who onlookers are after introducing myself I cut small talk say, "I've got to get back to work but it was great meeting you, have a great day" and if models uncomfortable I will honestly let them know my model is a bit shy so I can't really have an audience. Once I've communicated to them truthfully in a kind way if they continue to linger than 2 things can happen. You can gently remind them again you're on a time frame to get the job done before lights out or you can have team stand in front of them to make sort of a wall between them and view of model to hint. There have been times I completely stopped had model sit down back to onlookers as if we are done, nothing left to see. In literally an instant most walk away thinking its over. Notice how I say "most" some crazies just don't respect anyone's personal space. In that case stay safe and always go with your gut instinct.
male entitlement makes me physically ill
But I'll bet if two women had done the exact same thing at your shoot and you wouldn't have minded. Why the double standard?
@@dat2raare you really asking that? Hello common sense? Because we don't view women as a threat. Because they're mostly not dangerous. They're not sexualizing you or imagining weird fantasies. They're not planning to molest/possibly rape you. Would YOU feel comfortable with a random creepy guy staring at your mother or sister even after you politely asked them to leave? You don't need to turn everything into a male vs female thing when the guys are CLEARLY in the wrong with video evidence and you will bring in women out of nowhere. If this were a video of women oggling at someone despite being told to leave, THEN we could have this argument. You seem like the kind of man who would be the one staring intently. Creep.
@@dat2ra men are afraid of women rejecting them,women are afraid of men assaulting/killing them
As you can see from their looks they most likely have a different background, in other cultures it’s not uncommon to be watching people with cameras and stuff do their job and Jessica is supposed to understand this as she literally travels the world.... to me this guys don’t look creep, they might have over watch too close to their team but literally they weren’t any kind of threat as they left without much confrontation after she yelled them! She could have approached more politely but you should check your own entitlement. Go to China and try vlog there and see how both genders from all ages will literally just put next to you just to be on the shot... trying to stigmatize everyone and put you as a victim when literally this is something normal.
How can someone just stand and stare when a photographer and model are doing their job,,,, I feel like a stalker/creeper for *asking* if I can watch
You are an amazingly talented person, don't let these douchebags ruin your day or the teams day :)
if it was a bunch of men doing a photoshoot those guys wouldn't have stood there .
Very very true. :)
Literally in the business of shooting attractive women, and you can't wrap your mind around the reason men would gather to watch? hahaa
+carsiotto hell yeah. that's right. dsnt make it less annoying. but it's part of the business and shud not be a shocking time inna life of a photog like this to be documented on such a serious level. lol
I'm sorry you had this experience. Unfortunately I've run into a lot of these things while modeling and it's super comfortable when people do not understand boundaries.