In this video I'll show some of the differences between a 33" and 35" BF Goodrich A/T tire on my Jeep Wrangler JKU. 33" tire: t.ly/GBPe 35" tire: t.ly/1SPj AEV Procal: t.ly/SSa5
Thanks for the comparison video. It's a personal choice and I think it's perfectly fine to go with larger tires. Having said that, I keep hearing terms like "it's only one inch" or "it's only six pounds heavier per tire" or "the brakes work fine". The thing that a lot of people don't fully appreciate is that when it comes to ROTATING MASS those little things make a big difference in performance, economy and longevity of everything from engine and transmission to all the little bushings and suspension. If someone wants larger tires for looks or performance then that's fine but there is a trade-off. The gearing will be higher which means slower off the line and less low speed gearing off road as well as less braking power and more vehicle wear and less range off road and more fuel stops. The increased weight and rolling resistance of taller and wider tires means less fuel efficiency. If people want to maximize the performance of the vehicle in those areas then choosing the smallest tire that gets the job done is the best choice. That will vary from person to person depending on their individual driving and trails.For the life of the vehicle those extra tire costs, fuel costs, additional modifications in tire carriers etc as will as increased wear and tear will add up to thousands of dollars extra. Spread out over 10 years that may or may not be a big deal for someone but my point is it does add up.
Good video, thanks for making it, you answered my thoughts about a lot of things and I never thought about that programer because I came from an older jeep.👍
What kit did you get? All these options are confusing. I don't know if I can just buy a front and rear ring and pinion kit for ~$150 each from G2. Or if I'll need one these whole install kit packages that are 700-$1200.
I have an 18 JL Rubicon unlimited, are you still happy with your tires? Right now I have the BFG TKO3 and I hate them.. they perform fine, but are incredibly loud. Just curious if what you're running are quiet or obnoxious? Lol thanks for any info in advance
Friend with a 2018 JK 3.6L automatic and 3.73 gearing just went to 35"s. The thing is constantly shifting going up even the smallest of hills. Off road it's only going to be worse. They're definitely going to re-gear to 4.56
Get ready to replace your tie rod and drag link, I went for 35’s 2 months ago and my tie rod ends and drag link ends gave up last week 😂 I upgraded it to a set of HD and now feels amazing👌🏻
Get a Metalcloak kit, $200 for a new Track bar ($400, if you do front & rear), $875 for a Tie Rod & Drag link kit, that includes a RockSport steering damper. If you also do control arms, another $700 and that point just go with the game changer kit. Then your ball joints will fail, get some Apex HDs for $275. Maybe add some $$ for a Big Brake kit, it’s never ending, never a “one & done” when we get new parts. Hemi upgrade anyone ;) Could be worse, could me a 2007-2011 with the anemic 3.8
Better think again. There is a significant loss of power.Putting a larger diameter tire on stock gears will lose power unless you have found a way to defy physics.
I use 33s on my CJ-5 with no lift. I would expect a Wrangler with a lift to be on 35s or higher. A lift doesn’t really give you ground clearance. Your axles are still the same height off the ground. The only thing that affects ground clearance at the axle is larger diameter tires.
Joseph Trezza The 33s were 64 lbs and the 35s were 70 lbs. So only a 6 lbs difference. I’m honestly not 100% sure what gears I have or where to find that info. My stock gears have little noticeable power loss with the 35s though. I’m definitely not re-gearing.
Hey Steve Thanks for the video! You helped me make my decision!! BTW, Did you have to get a rear spare tire relocation bracket to accommodate 35s bigger tires?
Johnathan Williams unless you’re going over 2.5”s of suspension lift than I wouldn’t worry about the brackets. I’m not sure what gears I have but mine are stock and I wouldn’t bother re-gearing. Definitely get a Procal though to at least change the shift points if you have an automatic. Transmission.
Steve Schillero so I finally put my 3.25 in suspension lift on along with the 35x12.5 in BFG KO2s on the stock Sahara wheels and it looks badass! Thanks brother! Wish I could send you a pic
Between stock tires from the factory and 35s put on you’re gonna lose about 8 to 10 miles per gallon. With all that extra weight on each tire. Especially on the highway.
Nice set up. My only question is have you had any problem with your tail gate with that 35 hanging off the back of the stock tire carrier and how much off roading have you done with it on there. Thanks
I haven’t done much off roading. You can see in the video that it isn’t the stock carrier. I installed the rugged ridge carrier and hinge and that has been great.
You will break your shit running a 35" spare on stock carrier. It WILL eventually happen...IF you wheel it. When I had 35s, if you opened gate very slowly, you could see the weight was pulling gate away at top left corner. That was after only a few trips.
Hey! Planning on doing the exact same set up on my Sahara. Few questions running the 35s, how are they with the stock brakes and did you purchase a new tire carrier? Thanks
They are fine with the stock brakes. I don’t notice much of a difference to be honest. It is similar to if you were pulling a light trailer behind you. Yes, I did get a Rugged Ridge spare tire carrier and I think that was a good decision. I didn’t want to deal with the tailgate welds breaking over time. The 3rd brake light extension that came with the carrier is great too.
Since your new installment of a 34.8 inch tire size. Are you still satisfied with the size upgrade regarding performance. I also drive a Sahara. Thinking about a tire size upgrade with cooper discovery XLT 285x75x18.
I have Sahara rims on my 2017 Jeep. I'm wanting to do what you did. I've had 33's with no lift. I do have 2" spacers. If I move to 35's I should only need a 2" lift then correct or should I go with a 3"? Also, what size 35's did you install?
I’d go 2.5” lift, but you can do 2”. I had 305/70/18s. The bf Goodrich website stated that they were 34.8” diameter. They ended up measuring 34.5” with the weight of the vehicle.
i have a shimmy introduced when i went from 33 17 to 35 20 spent thousands since trying to get rid of it. so im thinking of going back to 33 to save a few lbs...annoying JL 18. The shimmy is mostly gone but im sure it will creep back...
Did you have to move the brake light up? How about the hinges on the tailgate...will you upgrade them as well? I have 33's for 3 years now and thinking of putting 35s. Just regeared my Sahara from 3.21 to 4.10
Some people are running 35s with no lift on the JL. You may be able to do 37s with a 2” lift but at that point you’d most likely want to re-gear. I don’t know as much about the JL wranglers so I’d definitely do more research.
@@kyleharris3 When you start putting bigger tires and wheels to your vehicle, you are adding rolling weight. It's different than just adding a bumper. Your engine has to turn your wheels. The bigger the tire, the more power needed. Eventually, because of the geometry of the larger tire, you start to change the ratio between your axel to drive shaft and you begin to fall outside of your rpm power band (sweet spot). Before gearing, I wasn't able to use 6th gear, and couldn't keep 75 mph. Now, it's closer to stock performance. Do your research, there are a lot of variables...type of engine...type of transmission...type of driving you plan on doing. Re gearing will bring back performance and SOME efficiency (it's a jeep, don't expect much). Hope this helps...check out some forums, they go into more detail. Cheers!
@@steveschillero2013 YOU CAN GET THAT SPRAYED UNDERNEATH TO PROTECT RUST. VEYR CHEAP IN NEW YORK $200. AND IT LASTS FOR YEARS. ALSO TRY DOING FULL SERVICE CAR WASH TO CLEAN THE UNDER CARRIAGE ESPECIALLY AFTER HEAVY SNOWY DAYS
I’m Getting 2.5 inch lift kit terra flex with shocks on my 2016 Jeep rubicon JK & I’m still confused between tire size . I went to the shop they said T265/70R17 are better for the lift than 285/70R17 . What do you guys think ?
Yes you can do 33s with no lift and that does look pretty good. You will just need to install 1.5” wheel spacers to eliminate any rubbing when you turn the wheel. You can get a good set of spacers for less than $200 and install them yourself. A mechanic would probably also install them for very cheap.
Bro i got 33s patagonia mt02 on my 2016 sahara two weeks ago with stock 18in wheels nonlift and honestly.. it looks alright but forsure get spacers cause it rubs.. but tbh.. 35s witha 2in lift would jusy make it look ALOT more better im content tho i wouldve got 35s if i had the money to regear theyre charging 1k ea axle so maybe once these pattys wear out ill go bigg
4.10 are only on Rubicon. Sahara, X, and Sport are stock 3.21 unless max factory tow package, then 3.73. Reason most people feel power loss is because the majority of jeeps on the road are standard 3.21.
I have 33 inch tires with a 2 1/2 inch lift, I’m still on the fence whether I should go ahead and just upgrade to 35 inch tires without re-gearing.... I have a 2017 sport. What are your thoughts?
Just get 35s. The whole “regear” thing is from people who are unsure about what they are really talking about. I went through the same thought process you are going through now. The amount of power loss you get really isn’t too noticeable. Trust you will love your Jeep much more with the 35s
The money spent on lift, rims, tires, an alignment, and replacing some components with heavier options, begs a re-gear. If you're doing it yourself, or you have a shop doing it, you're going to have to drop your diffs, axles etc. anyways. The regearing won't just help with power, power on hills, better off-road performance etc., but it will also allow for better slow-downs, and braking. It doesn't make sense to do the changes and not re-gear...you cannot put a value on safety. Just think of the weight differnece, especially when turning.
@@steveschillero2013 Thank you. I recently got a 2.5 inch lift and went with 33’s because my brother in-law went with 35’s. He said he needs to re-gear. I was afraid of that. I wish I went with 35’s. I’m gonna have to go with spacers because I still rub.
@@steveschillero2013 2" spacers are pretty scary. I run 1.5 and would rather be no more than 1.25. Really adding stress out there at the end of your axle. The right wheel alleviates the issue for tire clearance and need for spacers
Nope! Everything literally feels and works exactly the same. I was just pulling a trailer with the jeep yesterday to help my brother move and even that was no issue. Don’t hesitate to get the 35s if you really want them! I have stock gears and stock brakes and they are completely capable. The only thing I felt I needed was the bigger tire carrier.
Its impossible to tell unless you have a gauge or OBD monitor running, i can promise you your trans temp is higher than normal, highly recommend fitting a trans oil cooler, seperate to the factory one. Thank me later! Ask me how i know lol
The power loss isn't necessarily as important on the pavement as it is on an off-road use situation. Crawling and climbing over obstacles or through deep mud you'll see a huge difference. Now if you never intend to off-road then it really doesn't matter much.
Question of the experts watching this video: I have a 2018 Sport (still JK) with a 2.5" lift on it and 33s, wanna go to 35s (maybe a 1" body lift) - what gearing should I upgrade to?
If it were me, I'd be looking at 4:10's. But that's just a starting point..... If you want better gas mileage, go down numerically, if you prefer more torque, go up numerically. From 4:10's it's personal preference.
Not a expert, but I own a 2018 wrangler JK sport s, 2.5 superlift and Ironman 315/70R17E MT I run 3.73 gears with a 5 speed automatic transmission, I bought a gadget to fix the Speedo and shift points and I normally drive 70 Max and I avg 16.5 mpg, I'm a hunter and fisher, not a public trail jeep, I put a after market short front bumper on it and a 9000lb winch, I am perfectly happy with my set up so far, but eventually I will be looking for a 4" lift and some 40" tires, then I will probably do a gear swap to 4.88 or 5 something, course gas mileage will go out the window
Then they were not installed correctly. If you get a quality brand, install with thread locker and re-torque every 5,000 miles then there shouldn’t be any issues.
The big deal here is different jk models have different gear ratios. If you have 4:10 then 35s are probably gonna be fine. If you have 3:21 then you might have a bit more of a issue.
@@steveschillero2013 i agree, to each his own...i was really thinking of going to 35s but think i'll stay at 33...thanks for the video tho it saved me some money
Thanks for the comparison video. It's a personal choice and I think it's perfectly fine to go with larger tires. Having said that, I keep hearing terms like "it's only one inch" or "it's only six pounds heavier per tire" or "the brakes work fine". The thing that a lot of people don't fully appreciate is that when it comes to ROTATING MASS those little things make a big difference in performance, economy and longevity of everything from engine and transmission to all the little bushings and suspension. If someone wants larger tires for looks or performance then that's fine but there is a trade-off. The gearing will be higher which means slower off the line and less low speed gearing off road as well as less braking power and more vehicle wear and less range off road and more fuel stops. The increased weight and rolling resistance of taller and wider tires means less fuel efficiency. If people want to maximize the performance of the vehicle in those areas then choosing the smallest tire that gets the job done is the best choice. That will vary from person to person depending on their individual driving and trails.For the life of the vehicle those extra tire costs, fuel costs, additional modifications in tire carriers etc as will as increased wear and tear will add up to thousands of dollars extra. Spread out over 10 years that may or may not be a big deal for someone but my point is it does add up.
Agreed! I knew I was mostly doing it for looks. If I was to off road more often I’m sure I’d be replacing a lot more parts.
You've got my make and model and answered all my questions. Thanks for posting!
Good video, thanks for making it, you answered my thoughts about a lot of things and I never thought about that programer because I came from an older jeep.👍
33s and 35s look good with the lift kit, thanks for posting.
Great video. Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
Looks great. I think you made the right decision
Thanks for this much needed video - I've been torn between 34s and 35s. I'm going for it! Will let you know how I faired) Regards).
Big ridge park Square 🤣 will be upgrading to 35s soon. Super excited
Definitely the way to go!
Great job brother
Thank you for making this video.
I’ve also been looking for a power loss video. This was super informative!
Jeep looks good, nice job.
I ran 35's for about 18 months with stock gears, but after regearing, i really wish i had done it sooner.
What kit did you get? All these options are confusing. I don't know if I can just buy a front and rear ring and pinion kit for ~$150 each from G2. Or if I'll need one these whole install kit packages that are 700-$1200.
I got the Yukon master install kit for dana 30 front and dana 44 rear.
@@whiskeyactual. I got the Yukon master install kit for dana 30 front and dana 44 rear. 4.56 gears and a new front carrier.
@@jdawg2474 Thank you, that clears things up for me. I found that exact kit on Quadratecs site
I had a 6 speed sport, went from 33's to 35's, that the last time I used 6th gear, looked better but lost MPG and power
The easiest way to trim the front air dam is to use a jigsaw and leave the air dam on the vehicle. Its a small tool and allows you to trim it clean.
I run 33's ( Hankook Dynapro MT2's) on my 2019 JL Sport S. They run great gas mileage is good at 18/27 mpg .
I have an 18 JL Rubicon unlimited, are you still happy with your tires? Right now I have the BFG TKO3 and I hate them.. they perform fine, but are incredibly loud. Just curious if what you're running are quiet or obnoxious? Lol thanks for any info in advance
Friend with a 2018 JK 3.6L automatic and 3.73 gearing just went to 35"s. The thing is constantly shifting going up even the smallest of hills. Off road it's only going to be worse. They're definitely going to re-gear to 4.56
es correcto tengo el mismo tipo de rin y tamaño de llanta con 4.56 quedo ok !!
Get ready to replace your tie rod and drag link, I went for 35’s 2 months ago and my tie rod ends and drag link ends gave up last week 😂 I upgraded it to a set of HD and now feels amazing👌🏻
@Mike Lee only 60K but I do offroad nothing crazy either 🤷🏻♂️
Hope he's got adjustable LCA's and bought a beefier track bar
Get a Metalcloak kit, $200 for a new Track bar ($400, if you do front & rear), $875 for a Tie Rod & Drag link kit, that includes a RockSport steering damper. If you also do control arms, another $700 and that point just go with the game changer kit. Then your ball joints will fail, get some Apex HDs for $275. Maybe add some $$ for a Big Brake kit, it’s never ending, never a “one & done” when we get new parts.
Hemi upgrade anyone ;)
Could be worse, could me a 2007-2011 with the anemic 3.8
I like the bulldog stand
I have 35's on my jeep with a 3" lift. You will soon look at your jeep tires and lift and think, "it's looking kinda small". Hahaha
I’ve already been thinking about how good 37s would look!!! Lol
I just put the same last week and today I wonder if I can put on 37s with the 3 inch lift 🤔
I laugh at this comment in 37’s...
Great Video Sir. You seem quite intellectual.. also seems little to NO Power loss.
Thanks you answered a few of my questions.
Better think again. There is a significant loss of power.Putting a larger diameter tire on stock gears will lose power unless you have found a way to defy physics.
I use 33s on my CJ-5 with no lift. I would expect a Wrangler with a lift to be on 35s or higher. A lift doesn’t really give you ground clearance. Your axles are still the same height off the ground. The only thing that affects ground clearance at the axle is larger diameter tires.
Nice video, thank u
I like those both. The 33s look good for a daily driver.
Edwizard62 I’m daily driving with the 35s and it is completely fine. The 33s definitely didn’t look bad though.
@steve schillero Have you regeared? What's the weight difference between the 33 and 35? Do you have 3:21 gears? Great vid
Joseph Trezza The 33s were 64 lbs and the 35s were 70 lbs. So only a 6 lbs difference. I’m honestly not 100% sure what gears I have or where to find that info. My stock gears have little noticeable power loss with the 35s though. I’m definitely not re-gearing.
@@steveschillero2013 I just ordered 35s to replace my 33s lol
@@steveschillero2013 did your Jeep come with tow package?
Hey Steve Thanks for the video! You helped me make my decision!! BTW, Did you have to get a rear spare tire relocation bracket to accommodate 35s bigger tires?
I actually just bought the rugged ridge spare tire carrier and hinge. That took care of it. Super heavy duty.
Great looking jeep! Can I run a 295/70r18 on my stock Sahara rims without spacers including a 2.5" lift?
Running 35 with 2.5 lift with 5 inch backspace to rubbing.
Excelent review you are awesome !!
Thanks for this. I've been debating on 33 vs 35 and was worried about the power loss also.
No worries if you regear.
@@geographyinaction7814 what you mean regear new to the jeep just got a 2016 jk
Sweet! I have the same jeep and have been driving myself crazy trying to decide on the same tires/size in my Sahara rims. I’ll take your advice
Johnathan Williams definitely go 35s if you have a 4 door! Like I said in the video 33s are just barely bigger than stock.
Steve Schillero I have the 4 door ... hey, with a 3.25 in lift will I need control arm correction brackets and change my gears?
Johnathan Williams unless you’re going over 2.5”s of suspension lift than I wouldn’t worry about the brackets. I’m not sure what gears I have but mine are stock and I wouldn’t bother re-gearing. Definitely get a Procal though to at least change the shift points if you have an automatic. Transmission.
Steve Schillero so I finally put my 3.25 in suspension lift on along with the 35x12.5 in BFG KO2s on the stock Sahara wheels and it looks badass! Thanks brother! Wish I could send you a pic
Johnathan Williams awesome man! I’m glad you went with the 35s!
Did you change your gears?
Between stock tires from the factory and 35s put on you’re gonna lose about 8 to 10 miles per gallon. With all that extra weight on each tire. Especially on the highway.
Awesome. Big transformation. Which body lift kit did you use ?.
Teraflex!
Nice set up. My only question is have you had any problem with your tail gate with that 35 hanging off the back of the stock tire carrier and how much off roading have you done with it on there. Thanks
I haven’t done much off roading. You can see in the video that it isn’t the stock carrier. I installed the rugged ridge carrier and hinge and that has been great.
You will break your shit running a 35" spare on stock carrier. It WILL eventually happen...IF you wheel it. When I had 35s, if you opened gate very slowly, you could see the weight was pulling gate away at top left corner. That was after only a few trips.
Hey! Planning on doing the exact same set up on my Sahara.
Few questions running the 35s, how are they with the stock brakes and did you purchase a new tire carrier? Thanks
They are fine with the stock brakes. I don’t notice much of a difference to be honest. It is similar to if you were pulling a light trailer behind you.
Yes, I did get a Rugged Ridge spare tire carrier and I think that was a good decision. I didn’t want to deal with the tailgate welds breaking over time. The 3rd brake light extension that came with the carrier is great too.
@@steveschillero2013 Thanks man! I appreciate the reply
did you have a lift kit installed in this video?
Since your new installment of a 34.8 inch tire size. Are you still satisfied with the size upgrade regarding performance. I also drive a Sahara. Thinking about a tire size upgrade with cooper discovery XLT 285x75x18.
Still satisfied!
What would have been the cost of difference to go with a non-lifted Rubicon with 35-in tires versus the lifted Sahara with the 35 in?
The rubicon would be more expensive. The lift with install was only around $600 for me. A rubicon is typically several thousand more than the Sahara.
Does it sit higher with the 35
I have Sahara rims on my 2017 Jeep. I'm wanting to do what you did. I've had 33's with no lift. I do have 2" spacers. If I move to 35's I should only need a 2" lift then correct or should I go with a 3"? Also, what size 35's did you install?
I’d go 2.5” lift, but you can do 2”. I had 305/70/18s. The bf Goodrich website stated that they were 34.8” diameter. They ended up measuring 34.5” with the weight of the vehicle.
i have a shimmy introduced when i went from 33 17 to 35 20 spent thousands since trying to get rid of it. so im thinking of going back to 33 to save a few lbs...annoying JL 18. The shimmy is mostly gone but im sure it will creep back...
@@jergernice1 I’ve learned that modifications are fun but can also cause a lot of headaches lol.
Get a Hikeit throttle controller and you'll love your Jeep all over again.
Did you have to move the brake light up? How about the hinges on the tailgate...will you upgrade them as well? I have 33's for 3 years now and thinking of putting 35s. Just regeared my Sahara from 3.21 to 4.10
I got the rugged ridge HD tire carrier and hinges that comes with a brake light extender. Works great.
@@steveschillero2013 probably a wise move.....how does it work out after a year use.....(if you still read these)
Nice...is your top windows tinted?
Yup!
Great looking Jeep with stock rims. Do you have to use wheel spacers?? Thanks
Yes! Right now I have 2” wheel spacers. You’ll need at least 1.5” though.
@@steveschillero2013 please send pictures with spacers i want to do same setup ad yours with stock wheels tnx
@@Cezor7 the spacers are installed already in this video.
I have 2020 jeep wrangler willys unlimited what is the bigger tire I can use with stock rims and no more then 2inch lift daily driver thanks
Some people are running 35s with no lift on the JL. You may be able to do 37s with a 2” lift but at that point you’d most likely want to re-gear. I don’t know as much about the JL wranglers so I’d definitely do more research.
Had 3:21 gears...went to 35s and re geared to 4:88s.
Why? Was there a reason? I'm considering 35's but do I need to regear?
@@kyleharris3 When you start putting bigger tires and wheels to your vehicle, you are adding rolling weight. It's different than just adding a bumper. Your engine has to turn your wheels. The bigger the tire, the more power needed. Eventually, because of the geometry of the larger tire, you start to change the ratio between your axel to drive shaft and you begin to fall outside of your rpm power band (sweet spot). Before gearing, I wasn't able to use 6th gear, and couldn't keep 75 mph. Now, it's closer to stock performance. Do your research, there are a lot of variables...type of engine...type of transmission...type of driving you plan on doing. Re gearing will bring back performance and SOME efficiency (it's a jeep, don't expect much). Hope this helps...check out some forums, they go into more detail.
Cheers!
You have 3.73’s?
My only concern with bigger tires is fitting in Ohio's undersized garages.
Any scrub with those factory rims?
I’ve had no issues with my factory rims.
Can you fit the 35 inch tire on the the stock set up for the spare?
I had the same question...my 35in spare will not clear the bumper.....at least on mine..
Too heavy.
Where do you live man, you got some insane rust under your car on the front differential
Cleveland, Ohio. Plenty of salt in the winter to make everything rust! Luckily, it’s just surface rust for now.
@@steveschillero2013 power wash it once a week and spray wd40 to your undercarriage when dry. Prevents rust.
@@Mark-yy2py Also trust Fluid Film. It's great with road salt.
@@steveschillero2013 YOU CAN GET THAT SPRAYED UNDERNEATH TO PROTECT RUST. VEYR CHEAP IN NEW YORK $200. AND IT LASTS FOR YEARS. ALSO TRY DOING FULL SERVICE CAR WASH TO CLEAN THE UNDER CARRIAGE ESPECIALLY AFTER HEAVY SNOWY DAYS
35’s are good but when u go 37 is when u have to Change ur gears ratio
How does it feel off-road? Can you notice a difference?
It feels like I have more clearance. Other than that not much different.
What body lift did you use, thanks
Teraflex 1.25”
What's your MPG difference on the 33s vs 35s?
I was averaging around 15 with 33s now I’m down to 13.5/14 lol. I do a good bit of city driving.
I’m
Getting 2.5 inch lift kit terra flex with shocks on my 2016 Jeep rubicon JK & I’m still confused between tire size . I went to the shop they said T265/70R17 are better for the lift than 285/70R17 . What do you guys think ?
no! 265 are for Toyota prado. lol
this is like recommending an A bra to a double-E girl. insulting! lol
Are you using spacers?
Yes. 2” spacers. Been using for 2 years no issue.
Did you change the gears?
Did not need to. Drives great stock. I’ve had it lifted with bigger tires for almost a year now.
Could we do 33s without a lift on a sahara? If so, I would think that would look nice too.
Yes you can do 33s with no lift and that does look pretty good. You will just need to install 1.5” wheel spacers to eliminate any rubbing when you turn the wheel. You can get a good set of spacers for less than $200 and install them yourself. A mechanic would probably also install them for very cheap.
Bro i got 33s patagonia mt02 on my 2016 sahara two weeks ago with stock 18in wheels nonlift and honestly.. it looks alright but forsure get spacers cause it rubs.. but tbh.. 35s witha 2in lift would jusy make it look ALOT more better im content tho i wouldve got 35s if i had the money to regear theyre charging 1k ea axle so maybe once these pattys wear out ill go bigg
Youd be fine with 35s with sahara gears which I believe are 4.10s
4.10 are only on Rubicon. Sahara, X, and Sport are stock 3.21 unless max factory tow package, then 3.73. Reason most people feel power loss is because the majority of jeeps on the road are standard 3.21.
With a 3 inch lift will I need control arm correction brackets?
@@johnathanwilliams1444 up to 3 inches you can stay stock. Anything over 3 inches and thats when you need to start making those changes
I have 33 inch tires with a 2 1/2 inch lift, I’m still on the fence whether I should go ahead and just upgrade to 35 inch tires without re-gearing.... I have a 2017 sport. What are your thoughts?
Mark I think you should go for it! No need to re-gear
Steve do you have a link to the calibrator?
Mark just go on the quadratec website and search for AEV Procal.
go for it bro! 35’s and 2 1/2 lift should be on every Jeep from factory
Just get 35s. The whole “regear” thing is from people who are unsure about what they are really talking about. I went through the same thought process you are going through now. The amount of power loss you get really isn’t too noticeable. Trust you will love your Jeep much more with the 35s
The money spent on lift, rims, tires, an alignment, and replacing some components with heavier options, begs a re-gear. If you're doing it yourself, or you have a shop doing it, you're going to have to drop your diffs, axles etc. anyways. The regearing won't just help with power, power on hills, better off-road performance etc., but it will also allow for better slow-downs, and braking. It doesn't make sense to do the changes and not re-gear...you cannot put a value on safety. Just think of the weight differnece, especially when turning.
Did you add spacers?
Yes. I first had 1.5” spacers. I then changed to 2” spacers for a slightly wider stance.
@@steveschillero2013 Thank you. I recently got a 2.5 inch lift and went with 33’s because my brother in-law went with 35’s. He said he needs to re-gear. I was afraid of that. I wish I went with 35’s. I’m gonna have to go with spacers because I still rub.
@@steveschillero2013 2" spacers are pretty scary. I run 1.5 and would rather be no more than 1.25. Really adding stress out there at the end of your axle. The right wheel alleviates the issue for tire clearance and need for spacers
How much did your MPG change?
With the 35s I’m at about 15.5mpg
@@steveschillero2013 what was it before ?
@@Aceinfinity-le8zc 18 was the average before
so that mean, it has 3.75 lift right? nice :)
Correct!
Do you recognize any difference or sensitivity in the steering?
The steering feels exactly the same. I expected it to feel heavier, but there is honestly no difference.
do you have to regear to run 35's?
You do not have to. I didn’t and my Jeep drives great. Still has plenty of pick up.
@@steveschillero2013 cool I’m gonna try it. Thanks!!!
@@steveschillero2013 what if you plan on going offroading every so often wouls regearing be necessary
If you’re ok with driving a turd , then no.
Is the transmission running hotter?
Nope! Everything literally feels and works exactly the same. I was just pulling a trailer with the jeep yesterday to help my brother move and even that was no issue. Don’t hesitate to get the 35s if you really want them! I have stock gears and stock brakes and they are completely capable. The only thing I felt I needed was the bigger tire carrier.
Its impossible to tell unless you have a gauge or OBD monitor running, i can promise you your trans temp is higher than normal, highly recommend fitting a trans oil cooler, seperate to the factory one. Thank me later! Ask me how i know lol
@@jeepnutscotty how do you know?
Looks like its running a little warm tho
Nope!
The power loss isn't necessarily as important on the pavement as it is on an off-road use situation. Crawling and climbing over obstacles or through deep mud you'll see a huge difference. Now if you never intend to off-road then it really doesn't matter much.
You need the road to get to the offroad...power loss is a potential hazard on the highway.
If you don’t do it right you have caused yourself issues later, don’t go cheap or cut corners.
Agreed!
What body lift you got
Teraflex 1.25”
@@steveschillero2013 thanks. your Jeep is seating very nice 👍🏼 looks good
What size did you replace the 305’s with?
Joe Hop went from 305/65/18 to 305/70/18
Use mother’s black magic on ur soft top. It will darken the top up nice
Question of the experts watching this video: I have a 2018 Sport (still JK) with a 2.5" lift on it and 33s, wanna go to 35s (maybe a 1" body lift) - what gearing should I upgrade to?
What transmission do you have?
What gears do you have?
Also depends on what your goals are?
Commuting?
Trails?
Rock Crawling?
Mud Boggs?
If it were me, I'd be looking at 4:10's.
But that's just a starting point.....
If you want better gas mileage, go down numerically, if you prefer more torque, go up numerically.
From 4:10's it's personal preference.
I went with 4.88 and absolutely love it.
Not a expert, but I own a 2018 wrangler JK sport s, 2.5 superlift and Ironman 315/70R17E MT I run 3.73 gears with a 5 speed automatic transmission, I bought a gadget to fix the Speedo and shift points and I normally drive 70 Max and I avg 16.5 mpg, I'm a hunter and fisher, not a public trail jeep, I put a after market short front bumper on it and a 9000lb winch, I am perfectly happy with my set up so far, but eventually I will be looking for a 4" lift and some 40" tires, then I will probably do a gear swap to 4.88 or 5 something, course gas mileage will go out the window
Skip a body lift. Google the 3.6 gear ratio chart.
What's your gearing?
4:10
@@steveschillero2013. Unless you changed them you don’t have 4.10s if it’s not s Rubicon.
You can prob go 37” safely.
Body lift tho?
Spacers Bad. My Wife's friend had a wheel fall off her lifted JKU on the highway.
Then they were not installed correctly. If you get a quality brand, install with thread locker and re-torque every 5,000 miles then there shouldn’t be any issues.
Do you actually wheel it?
He definitely doesn't. No mention of clearance at full flex confirms that.
Very occasionally!
bugged me to see you not wipe the tire
You shouldnt have to regear with 35s. You may with 37s. Ive had 35s on my JK for 4yrs now. Haven't lost any power or gas mileage.
You should, you don't have to, but once you re-gear to 4.56, you will regret never doing it right away.
Wrong. Your just oblivious to the problems.
Tire height should be 2x wheel size.
I'm mildly annoyed you are making your judgment based on looks solely.
33 with no lift. 35 with a lift.
They're fine for a mall crawler, but 35's hardcore off roading you'll be breaking axles real quick!
The big deal here is different jk models have different gear ratios. If you have 4:10 then 35s are probably gonna be fine. If you have 3:21 then you might have a bit more of a issue.
What do you think of 3:73?
@@chaoticmitty9570 if it’s a manual you might be ok but if it’s auto then a regear would probably be necessary.
all that extra expense to do a 35" tire right for about an extra inch...doesn't really seem worth it to me...
adam ant it was worth it to me, but hey if you’re fine with keeping yours stock then save that money!
@@steveschillero2013 i agree, to each his own...i was really thinking of going to 35s but think i'll stay at 33...thanks for the video tho it saved me some money
Pulling a trailer may show a loss.
You probably lose about 33% more on gas
Looks about the same
power loss is minimal, you drive a wrangler, not a race car.
Makes no sense to get 35s when youre going to daily drive it. Unless you like wasting your money on the look and lower gas miles.
I wouldn’t call it a waste :) I love the look and ride height.
Lmao I daily drive on 38s getting better mileage on my JL on 4.88s than my JK on 35s stock gears. The 8 speed is a game changer.
Get rid of a body lift