Best Straight-Wall Cartridge? LISTENER SPECIAL! | Spaghetti Shootout Ep. 7
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- Опубликовано: 21 дек 2022
- It’s Meatball Madness just in time for the giving season on the latest episode of Spaghetti Shootout. Tune in as Mark and Ryan debate our favorite listener-submitted questions. Happy Holidays, Vortex Nation™. Keep your eyes peeled for a duel for all the marbles as we find out who’s quicker to the draw.
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😂😂😂😂 Do not ever stop doing these. The Spaghetti ShootOuts are the best!! 😂😂😂😂😂
We're happy to hear you're enjoying them! Thank you so much for tuning in!
Cincinnati can’t even keep kids out of the gorilla enclosure. Why would you expect them to make good chili?
Harambe was hit with a 375 H&H, side note.
😂”Mark, you can’t talk you’re dead.” best burn of the episode!
This excited me way more than it should have
To see how you all have morphed over the years is hilarious!!!!!!! You only bust on those you love so suck it up Mark.
So fun yet informative. Thanks for all the laughs 🎉.
This is so true! We really do all love each other, we promise! Thank YOU for tuning in!
lol the caveat corral. haha had watched many of yall’s socalled ten minute talks but this is the first one of a different format i’ve ever clicked on
On the topic of 45-70s, I got my dad his dream gun for Christmas last year. The Henry lever action is a beauty. We were out hunting this season and he was in a blind when two big does come up. He shoots one and drops it immediately. He shoots the other and it runs about 200 yards away. He sat for 2 hours waiting for me to walk to his location. The first doe was dead on impact, however the other was still laying there head up and we had to use another round to la cabeza. Interestingly, when we gutted it, it was apparent the first round had actually pierced the heart but didn't damage it greatly. It was a hollow point 300 grain. We have that bullet in our safe now. Amazing what whitetail are capable of
Rotfl! You guys are just the height of comedy value! Merry Christmas to you all at Vortex!
444 marlin
My favorite straight walled cartridge is the 50-110. Winchester chambered it in the 1886 model. In the modern 1886 rifles made in Japan, that cartridge can produce over 6000 foot pounds of energy!
The Cincinnati chillie 5-way is a classic.
And it's always with beans.
Then it’s not chili
The beans aren't in the chili, they are added to the dish.
3way
Spaghetti topped with chili and cheese
4way
Spaghetti topped with onions or beans, chili, and cheese.
5way
Spaghetti topped with onion, beans, chili, cheese.
@@paulwheeler3723false. chili with beans is chili. Chili without beans is also chili. It is an indisputable historical fact that the cowboys who invented chili kept massive, hugr sacks of beans with them in their chuck wagons and ate them with every single meal because dry beans have long shelf life and very high nutritional value. It is only within the past 10 years or so that the beans or no beans thing picked up steam on the internet for some hilarious reason. It is completely and totally fine if you do not like beans. Also, no beans people are either uneducated about history, or do not care, or do not want to care, when again, the pioneers and cowboys kept huge sacks of beans and ate them with every meal with their chili
460S&W
It's the fastest, flattest shooting, most efficient, most versatile chambering of a straight walled cartridge and can do everything (practical) a 45-70 can within SAAMI specs. Rifle or pistol.
All this with the caveats that while straight walled cartridges are very efficient in terms of internal ballistics the bullets tend to not be particularly efficient (there are long, relatively efficient bullet for 45-70 that can be loaded beyond the 2.550" SAAMI spec). And that a significant portion of the versatility of the 460S&W chambering (at least for the non-reloader) comes from being able to use reduced power cartridges like the 454Casull and 45Colt which technically are different cartridges.
Fantastic show and I have learnt a lot from watching you gentlemen as a newer shooter. Whether that be the 10 min talks or the long form discussions I appreciate all of it.
Meatball:
What cartridge best describes Jimmy?
Agreed and excellent meatball 🤣
This is so great to hear! Thank you so much for tuning in, we greatly appreciate your support and are happy to hear you find the videos helpful! Also, FANTASTIC meatball suggestion.
@@VortexNation wow was not expecting a reply, thanks. Have you guys ever thought of doing a live stream so the fans could interact with you guy?
When are you going to do a cartridge talk on the 444 marlin?
Excellent show y'all, thank you!
I'm taking my crossfire out tomorrow and it's going to be -10° before wind chill 🎯🥶🇺🇲
Thank you for tuning in! How'd she shoot?!
@@VortexNation worked like a champ and more precise than I can hold steady🎯 excellent quality and somehow an even better value.
44mag. And has been it a long time
Another fun shootout. Keep it up!
Meatball of the month. Compass or GPS.
Great show!!!! Meatball question: Are you a light or heavy bullet kind of guy? Examples: 40g V-Max VS 77g SMK? 110g VS 175g , 250g VS 405g?
what would you consider the best all around revolver caliber and ammo for self defense, concealed carry, hunting etc
Meatball Question: Moose cartridges! How low of a caliber can ethically be used? For argument, let's assume 250 yards maximum.
Nordics use the 6.5 and Alaskans have used .223 and .243 (historically)
You guys are so funny! I dream of have few beers with you guys🍻🍻🍻
Cheers, my friend!
Meatball/ Best big game pistol cartridge
Meatball: Scotch or Bourbon?
Side note: most of my fellow Texans say no beans but I have to admit I’ve had great chili with and without so either way works for me.
send that meatball to their email.
You don’t need a coin toss. Mark needs to be left handed!
Talk about the .375 win!!!
My Chile had BEANS, and is thick. A spoon must be able to stand up in it. Dark red kidney beans and the meat is straight venison. No added fat. I add bay leaves for additional flavor, and 99% on the people whom tried it, liked it.
This sounds absolutely delicious!
45-70 is not legal in Michigan's straight wall Limited Firearms area. I use the 350 Legend. The 450 Bushmaster is also very popular, but costs more per round to shoot. And in more recoil over the 350.
I like the 450 Marlin.. 400gr Barnes fnsp over 43.5grs of RL7.. Tested on a few Deer and Black Bears.. And Bush's Red (chili) Beans Mild in my Chili..
Mark and his print outs 😂😂😂
We keep trying to tell him they're hurting him 😂
Nice Job Fellas
We used to make Chili with out beans. We called it “hottie”. I’ve grown up and now eat beans in it.
My preview said "best all around straight wall cartridge" I said 357M/38 SP. If we are talking about hunting, I cannot argue with 45/70 OR .350L LOL fun episode.
Thank you for tuning in!!!
I have a Marlin in .444Marlin :) No rainbow trajectory 45-70 slingshot there, i say! ;)
I would opt for the 405 Winchester for my favorite straight-wall cartridge.
Future question... best 30-06 do all load out. 150g 180g or 220g?
180 grain Accubond. They are awesome.
@@DaveL9170 I have been using 180 grain for years on deer, black bear even a pronghorn
Caribou I took my .264 Win Mag. :) Not afraid of Bears
Chili beans all the way !!!
CAMO is not as Important as being Still and Quite Tip don’t take the Wife !
Straight-Wall 45-70 it’s a Classic
Ryan for the Win.
Now we need a Cartridge talk on the 6mm Rem as its one of the Flattest shooting Cartridges and makes a Great Antelope and Deer round.
45-70
Sports afield had an article on chili back in the 80s where they had an 1830s recipe for chili. Basically cubed beef, chili powder, and masa flour. No beans
45-70 actually has the ability to go up to a 500 grain bullet from an off the shelf manufacturer (buffalo bore). Giving the cartridge even more versatility!
Being from Texas I prefer no beans in my chili but that’s just me.
Also I thing we need a few more western shootouts in the future
Meatball: thoughts on rifle cartridges moving into the realm of pistols. Any practical use or just a gimmick to say look what I did?
Missouri here….good chili involves deer meat and LOTS of beans
Now we're talkin!
a episode for the 338-06 have been cool :P
Meatball: Elmer Keith, or Jack O'Connor.
Meatball. Or turdball. You be the judge. A new straightwall rifle cartridge with a 10mm. Cut down a 30-06 or 308 to about 42mm, there you got a perfect fit between the nearly anemic 350legend, and the donkey assed 450bushmaster. Ill see myself out. Have a nice day gents.
I would agree that the 45-70 is a great straight wall cartridge, but, in Indiana and Michigan, and possibly other states, our straight wall cartridges must be 35 caliber or larger, case length must be between 1.16" and 1.8" so the 45-70 isn't allowed because the case is too long.
My heart is sold to .44 magnum and .45-70 government.
Meatball question - What is the ideal hunting companion, or is the ideal hunting companion no one at all?
Old guns vs new guns for the spaghetti shootout question
Ohhh.... "Muckenhirn"...lol
I thought you were saying Ryan "Muck" Ahern, and I always thought "Oh sure, no one gives a damn about an Irish slur"...LOL
Meatball: come up with a New Year’s resolution for each other and guess how long until they break it!
MARK IS %100 CORRECT! Chili without beans is not chili. Corn and other veggies make it a southwestern soup... Cincinnati chili is feally only good on a hotdogLove the videos guys.
Definitely with beans!
As a Texan, the chili is the pepper used for seasoning, not the beans, Mark. Chili is the state dish of Texas. NO BEANS!!!
The question of Chili- bean or no beans isn't a question. Chili has beans. The question is- Chili and cinnamon rolls?
Woah Woah Woah....
The 'Caveat Corral' just sounds like Grand Tour's 'Conversation Street'
Meatball question semi auto rifle vs traditional bolt/lever action rifle for big game hunting
Correct answer for magical reindeer is obviously 10 mm auto because it has mystical powers
Idk if u guys can find umm but if u could go over and show the colt lighting thunder and rain maker. I think that would be a good video and look in to the smoke powder. New Mexico got the best chillie.
There a new kid on the block on maybe not new but he's got new shoes 45-70auto
30-06Spr, 270Win, 25-06Rem. Have each of them pick one and argue for it. Was gonna say 30-06 vs 30-30, but that's a long range vs brush gun argument
Hey Ryan, you can the 350 legend in both the single shot and lever, and the ar platform and the bolt. Sooo I mean...
Meatball, 260 Remington vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs, 6.5 swede
Ryan is mossy oak because he’s so technical
Mark is definitely that new pink infused camouflage you can wear
45-70 all day
Mark finishes with -200 points because chili is FROM Texas and doesn’t have beans. For his opinion on that alone, his camo pattern is muddy girl.
Welcome to Cincinnati
Where 3 ways and corn hole are good family fun.
I love that they had a nerf shoot out.
Meatball: is there such a thing as too magnification? If so where do you draw the line? Also is it truly a spaghetti shootout without playing the meatball theme song?
You make a valid point...
#meatball. What is the best truck gun? I’ve carried a semi auto .308 for coyotes on the farm as well as 12g. Curious what your master debaters come up with.
What is the best rimfire for walking and hunting small game on a WMA when you know hogs are present and you wouldn't mind adding one to the ice chest. I'm thinking between the .17 HMR and the
22 WMR as examples.
@spaghettishootout
*Colorado and New Mexico join the Chili chat*
SORRY I MISSED IT, WAS PLAYING CHESS WITH MY SON.
Meatball of the month question - what is the most versatile cartridge for American game.
.308 maybe for big game, which is my main hunting interest. It would be overkill for midsized game like coyotes, but you don't really eat mid size game so no worry. Small game would be a challenge, headshots for rabbits if you want any edible meat. You'd almost have to hit a squirrel with the shrapnel from the tree its on if you wanted to actually eat it lol. What do you think?
Best overall for NA game and regular sized African plains game would be a .30-06. Go very light at 110 grains to heavy loans up to 220. Recoil most people can handle. Can find ammo anywhere. Fairly cheap to order.
Can also use 12 gauge shotgun for ANYTHING!!!!!
@@DaveL9170 ya, I love my shotguns. But I love rifles too.
meatball: rds vs lvpo vs traditional scope for hunting with lever actions
Skyline chili in Cincinnati is da best
First chili recipe was meat fat and chilies and boiling water. But beans make it taste better.
I think we need a re do on the western draw, marks bullet seemed to tumble very quickly…
We'll see what we can do about this...
The improved 45-70, the 444 marlin
I'm from Ohio but never heard of Cincinnati chili
Ryan Rulz. So does 45-70.
What scope put 450 Marlin
If it doesn’t have beans it’s not chili
Cincinnati Chili, 5 way, period!
Chilli without beans is just nacho dip without the cheese 🧀🤷 fight me
Meatball- best type of cheese
This one could get some of our Wisconsinites pretty fired up...
Meatball best overall scope magnification and size
No f in beans ever!
You sound passionate about this topic!
Best donut? Best breakfast food on your way to your hunting spot.
Meatball Of the month question: You can only choose one… Only be able to take shots at animals 50yds and in, or 300yds and out. What caliber for your choice?
Best anti-aerial reindeer gun: Flak 88.
Straight wall: where .450 Bushmaster? The .45-70 case length is too long for use in the limited firearms zone in Michigan :(
#meatball: Favorite character from the Flinstone cartoon.
No corn in chili. 45-70 is for fudds
Lol. Good show, fellas.
7mm prc talk!!!!!
Stay tuned... 🤫
@@VortexNation I’m trying
Was mark hunting out of a box blind in that clip?! Shave his beard immediately. Those are reserved for youth and the amish only 🤣.
Iowa hunter here, 450 is king if you're doing drives, if youre in a stand it doesnt matter, 350 for kids
Spaghetti and meat balls or spaghetti and meat sauce ?
Spaghetti and meatballs in meat sauce
One point not made .45-70 is not legal in all straight wall cartridge states and could have talked about recoil differences too.....