We Mapped Roman Britain - With NO Maps
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Welcome to this weeks offering. We take a look at how Roman Britain was mapped from the earliest map makers to the more recent attempts.
Credits: Music: Storyblocks
Sound Effects: Epidemicsound and Storyblocks
Additional Footage: Storyblocks - artgrid.io
Roman Road Diagram - Roman Road Research Association.
Ravenna Study:
Additional Drone Footage:
Hedley Thorne: @hedleythorne and @OPOCHKA
Maps: OS Maps Crown Copyright 2023 - Media License.
Maps: Google Maps.
Maps: National Library of Scotland
Maps: All other Maps credit below where applicable.
ALL Lidar: EA Via Phil Barrett (Twitter: @Phil_M_Barrett )
Filter: Snowman Digital and Beachfront B-Roll
Other Filters: StoryblocksCredits:
Picture credits: All CC
Fosse Way Map: Nessyseagoon
Roman Britain Map from Itin: "My Work"
Rectangular Map based on Ptolemy: Biblioteca Nacional de España
Early Ptolemy Text: The Bodleian Library Uni of Oxford
Augustus figure: Joel Bellviure
Circus Maximus: Pieter van Eekeren
Circus Maximus: Rabax63
Circus Maximus: Pascal Radigue
Circus Maximus Plan: Samuel_Ball_Platner
Tyre: RomanDeckert
Vienna Museum: Manfred werner
Itin Map: University of Kent
AC Smith Map: exploringavebury.com/ac-smith-...
Keith Fitzpatrick Matthews (New 2021 Ravenna Cosmography Study): www.kmatthews.org.uk/
Chapters:
Intro: 00:00
Melea The 1st: 01:31
Marinus of Tyre: 03:25
Ptolemy: 05:35
Antonine Itinerary: 09:25
Ravenna Cosmography: 11:45
Peutinger Map: 13:11
William Camden: 16:03
Ivan Margary: 18:15
Conclusion: 21:10 
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Thanks for another great video. - The change in scheduling has really worked for you, the quality of writing, editing and presentation has improved... It was very good before, but oh boy I like the new look !!! 👍
...with Rebecca and me.. "Me" is an object of the preposition "with."
I would love the occasional longform video bc this channel is fantastic
Paul, you and Rebecca made the right choice to slow down and dig deeper. These new videos are absolutely fantastic- great information, told in a story, making it's relatable. Well done. It's time to quit your job and make your art - you're a film maker, you have the gift.
This is BBC quality. And that you've done it without a team of researchers, catering, and producers who do goodness knows what is incredible.
It's better than much on the MSM as some of the academics are so bloody-minded ('I'm always right' type of person. Best I don't let on how I have heard this but it was from a reliable source)
it is an insult comparing with BBC. State owned propaganda channel
Can we all take a few seconds to appreciate Paul and Rebecca for the excellent camera work and professionalism in presenting videos like this for us to enjoy, I'd love to see you both get rewarded with your own TV show, surly someone out there has links to SKY, BBC or ITV to make this happen......... oh, and may I say, well done on another fascinating video 👏👏👏
Excellent video! Far better than a lot of the stuff put out by most TV companies nowadays. Thank you. 👍👍👍
Fantastic documentary. This should be on the TV! I'm glad it isn't though, because I don't watch TV any more - as the documentaries are not as good as this any more 😂
😂😂. Thank you.
You should consider Nebula or Discovery as additional outlets and income sources.
That's right.
The videos are great. His YT started as weekend adventures with his wife.
We don't either and we agree with you!
Thank you for the fabulous video today about the Roman Road - With NO Maps. A thorough trip indeed. The preparation for this video must have been exhausting. But I’m sure people watching enjoyed it as much as I did. Will be on the look out for follow ups on this subject. Enjoy the week ahead, and again, thank you for your labors on this subject. Cheers Paul and Rebecca! ❤❤😊😊
Paul, I love the direction your work is taking. Your research is second to none, & spoken most eloquently, with excellent graphics. I'm learning things never taught at school, & hope this is turning out really successful for you both. Looking forward to more of this from you. Stay safe, Regards Urban Geeze.
Thanks Boss. Very kind
This is TV quality and highly informative. Shared.
Great story-telling and genuine academic research from a couple of self-described non-academic story tellers. Congratulations!
Excellent video. I am pretty sure I use to have that book on Roman roads with the fold out maps. I bought it at a jumble sale in around 1969 When I was 10. I think I paid 1d for it, and my mother told me off for wasting my money. I wish I still had it today.
Bravo! You took your time and made a video that was not boring at all. I enjoyed it very much.
After the level crossing in the video I have driven on that Roman Road this was when I was working at Crofton Beam engines on the electric pumps it saved walking all the tools over the canal.
Another very interesting topic. I love maps and always have since i was bought my first OS Map aged 9. It always fascinated me that it showed the course of a Roman road to the north of my home town of Otley. It runs south westerly across Blubberhouses Moor to Thatch Ling. It disappears for a short way before turning SSW and heading towards Ilkley (Olicana).I've walked some of it but to my untrained eyes I couldn't make anything out.
It makes no sense how much this American loves your channel - especially these documentaries. Great work!
It makes perfect sense to me, a fellow American. What's not to love?
This is the kind of content the internet was supposed to bring us.
Wow - fabulous set ot WWII tank-traps from a Stop Line just by the level crossing at 2:43!!! Getting rare to survive in that condition... Oh, and another lovely video - thank you! ^_^
Great content and brilliantly delivered, keep it coming both of you. 😊
That street on Rhodes island was the 'Street of the Knights', I lived just round the corner from there actually in the castle (old town). Now there's some incredible history!
I'm absolutely amazed at how 'new' some of this information is. When I was a schoolboy, (a long time ago), learning about Roman roads I had no idea that the knowledge was so fresh. Great video, I loved every minute of it.
Stunning work. Frankly, breathtaking in its professionalism and detail. Words fail me. There simply is nothing of this exceptional quality of RUclips. You two are now unrivaled and have succeeded in setting the benchmark for all those who come in your wake. The next step has to be your launch on television. I would seriously considering getting an agent to promote your work further. You are the very best of the best.
Thank you so much 😀
It's funny seeing the similarities between ancient means of learning the ways about the land and modern ones--dots and straight lines, and definitely not-to-scale. I suspect that after a bit of calming-down with some orange slices and some fetal-spooning, a modern transit map would probably make some bit of sense to a Roman. Not sure if you could get him on the Tube, though.
Never mind the Romans, some cracking WW2 mine sockets on the canal bridge at the start.
Mine sockets??
@@pwhitewick yes the concrete squares with the circular holes that are arranged in a grid pattern on the bridge are WW2 vintage. They are sockets that held anti tank mines as part of the defensive stop line, built hurriedly in the summer of 1940
@stuartbridger5177 Glad you explained that. The mention of "tank traps " earlier in the comments had me looking for large concrete blocks around four feet square by the same height and in a line. These are a feature completely ignored locally, intended to prevent easy movement from the west coast of Wales inland. There's even a small concrete and brick look out and gun slitted shelter still visible. Interesting to be in the area the government considered expendable short term. Sarn Helen isn't far away with its exact course at the area unknown heading to Carmarthen.
Great video as always.
On a seperate note, at 2:40, another piece of history you passed over was the remains of the ww2 anti tank roadblock remains on the bridge surface. So much intact history around us.
I'm blown away by how fantastic this is. The production value and research is second to none. Well done!!
Sitting here in central Kentucky ( winter scene outside) watching this....walking on roads a couple millennia or so old must be amazing...
I do like the way you're clearly spending longer on the edit, making them look even more professional! Only complaint... more canals...less roads please!
It would have been an awful lot shorter if it was only covering the Roman canals in Britain!
@@philroberts7238 a possible video ?
So well done!
Facts, storytelling, photography & editing, everything lineup in a logical manner, like most of the roman roads you're talking about does.
You have used your interest for this subject deep inside your hearts and made this video a hell of a good one!
I look forward to see more, my curiosity just like yours, never stops.
Wonderful video. I used to be a cartographer in the American military years ago. I have Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, though my Greek is terrible. I loved the wonderful resources you mentioned - now perhaps I ought to track them down.
I'm still learning about old maps and loving the soundtracks nice and powerful ❤
The Open University used to use an Ordinance Survey one in their courses years ago. It was one of those specialist maps that the Ordinance Survey does or did like the Geological map of Britain.
Yes I have seen the ordnance survey one.
Truly great video .... the waffleometer went right off the scale .... It was sold to me by some bloke called Marinus so no surprise there😅😅😅
Thoroughly enjoyed this one you packed so much in and all to a very very high standard.
Well done to you both and have a great week
Thanks David.
Good golly, you two have certainly spent your time well! What a fabulous video, with wonderful background music, and a fascinating tale unfolding ... simply terrific! Thanks!!
Very educational, thank you!
22:43 fun-fact, those caterpillars are known as “målorms» in Norway, “measuring-snakes”. Here it measures an arms length, as a reminder that measuring have gone a long way since Roman times.
Great research and presentation and storytelling. Love these videos resulting from deep delving , and bridging the gap between the academics and us interested ordinary folk. ( I know that's not adding anything to what others are saying, but wanted to say it anyway .....). Thanks!
Excellent piece! I have a fascination with the 'Roman Road' and it's construction, it's inauguration, it's terminus and all points in-between. Thank you!
This is the most informative of all you videos of roman roads you have done. It was the best. Well done for all your hard work in producing this. Thanks Steve & Wenda
One of the best channels on you tube
Great video thankyou guys for your amazing interest and incredible research to bring the distant past to life .
What else would be interesting is a step by step roman invasion tour from where they started to how they moved throughout the British isles. Love your work 👍👍👍 subscribed .
Back in the late 70s, early 80s, We used to be able to get "strip maps" from the local Automobile Association if you were planning a trip. They were essentially pieces of map put together in a booklet. it was a lot like an Ogilby map as you had no real wider reference of where you were, except a chunk of land on either side of the road you were supposed to follow.
I thought these had gone the way of the dinosaur, but I stand corrected, such maps are still provided, albeit online. Wonders never cease.
There was also a 'reverse' map, (published by AA road services ?) that showed reverse routes, and distances from North to South
@@sianwarwick633 I think they are a pretty cool idea, and am surprised that they still exist, though maybe it's just my part of Australia, as we are a few decades behind the rest of the world!!
Those were (are?) called trip tik by the AAA in the US- super handy!
Finally obtain an excellent copy of Ivan Margary’s Roman Roads of Britain after seeing how much you reference it and living on the south coast, going to now start exploring.
Great research and love the production value. Coming across your video was excellent timing as I embark on some Roman road research and had been asking this very question myself. Thanks! New sub coming your way : )
Has anyone taken / researched LIDAR scan of England and compared these pictures to existing documents to accurately plot the known Roman roads against GPS plotted locations?
PS - learned a few things today. Appreciate the video!
That was great. So much research and so well put together. Thankyou
A really riveting episode, so full of fascinating information and beautiful scenic video photography which highlight the strenuous efforts you both undertake each time we view one of your presentations, marvelous! Thank you, Steve
Excellent documentary. Very interesting.
Having a map of 22 feet by 1 foot seems reasonable to me. Scrolls were a common format for written works, and since you would only need a couple of feet worth of the scroll at any given time it would work for checking the route while on the go.
Excellent. Quality material presented with aplomb.
Few things to consider. The role of the Roman milepost and the Roman military surveyors. And initially the role Exploratio and pre invasion traders. The Romans knew the coast and the origin of the materials arriving at it. Traders report. Exploratio venture forth surveyors with military protection follow. Routes calculated and then built. Then it's a case of filling the gaps.
All along the routes and at crossroads no shortage of information as to distances, road conditions. Recording that information seems to be a matter of how fast cavalry, infantry and supply trains can move. Then how fast the mail can travel. A map becomes secondary, a luxury item for strategy and taxation. Stop a soldier in the street at York and ask him how far to Cologne . He would ask if on foot or horse and which port you were using first. He would then tell you the number of overnight stops, the best food and entertainment en route. Because he most likely would have travelled that way or if not knew somebody that did. The "AI" attempts to back fit an Imperial administrative control which in many ways indicates a loss of just that at the top of Roman Society. Allowing for mis copying its content suggests that Rome no longer had any real idea what really was going on in the West. But liked to think it did.
Augustus had a long porch at his palace that was a highly detailed map of the Roman World, he would walk past it several times a day. I suspect the map included territory far North of the Rhine. What happened to that part of the map after the disaster of 9AD is unclear. But in my opinion it created a culture that was anti pictorial representation of territory. Better to stick to images of enslaved conquered foe rather than places on a map splashed on walls. It doesn't look good when you retreat.
Keep up the fantastic effort. This one was thought provoking. You two deserve to be on TV.
To echo some of the comments already made, what a wonderfully produced video. If I had tuned in to the BBC and caught this......
Thanks and well done.
Really good you two.
Roman roads have always held a fascination for me, the one crossing the canal is worth a look.
Paul , Rebecca , don't ever retire .
Bloody brilliant documentary! Superb! Well done!
This is not just some stuffy documentary. As mentioned elsewhere, there is a great deal of care and dare I say love of the topic attached to your country. Your filming of so many nooks and crannies in great detail allows the viewer to feel that we are actually following you. And, you are such a lovely couple.I share your love of Roman Britain and since I lived in Brittany for 30 + years (Western Brittany) so Roman Brittany as well but which is alas much more neglected.
Absolutely fascinating, loved every minute of it. Thank you once more.
Your videos continue to be amazing, especially this one.
What makes them unique, and by far the best, is that there is no "agenda" behind them. Telling a story exactly how it is.
Thank you
This is right up my alley. I love see old maps and history. Thank you for your efforts in this video.
Fantastic video Paul, one of your best. You inspire me to make a 22 ft by 1 ft format map. It would be very suitable to carry as a scroll on two wooden spindles on a journey. I could keep winding it on as I walked along the road. Perfect.
Actually thought about printing one for this video!!
Thank you so much for a very enjoyable and informative documentary. You raise many fascinating questions about the origins and evolution of mapping, and Roman roads in particular. How was it possible for the Roman's to construct such an impressive network of - for the most part - straight, long-distance roads connecting towns and other settlements, seemingly without accurate maps? I do hope you continue your researches on this fascinating topic.
This was Great! Sorry for not watching it on Sunday / Monday as normal, but it's been a busy week. I like the Long format vids, but now I need to Schedule a slot to watch them (to answer your community poll question).
Thank you, we are trying t mix them up a little.
Paul, the strip maps are an old idea that is still in use today. In the heyday of the CAA and AAA, their trip ticks were assembled like that, also modern marine navigation systems display either course up (strip map) or North up, like a globe or chart.
Best wishes from Northern Canada.
Great video! I do find it so clever how they even had maps back then over a vast expanse of Europe etc to pick out the black sea and its rough shape and Britain and its rough Shape is some going considering they had no satellites or planes to use.
Quality of the filmography is fantastic, I take it this is what stills, graphics and rostrum photography is now called!
Full credit to Rebecca , this is as much work as the filming, let alone the editing!
Thanks to the painstaking efforts of these forebears over many centuries, I am able to use the OS map of Roman Britain, colour coded and showing rivers, routes & tribes.
Saw your poll. I'm watching it now. School year end os very busy. Running a plumbing company. I'm working on racecar... blah blah excuses...
Great job! It's a welcome wind down to a long day.
Thank you that was fascinating and the effort you put into the editing really shows (that is not meant to be a criticism of previous videos). You have given me a long list of reading topics.
Cheers Chris. I think there are a further 9 topics from this I coukd video about. The Roman Hoax will definitely be one of them.
Far more out there than is recorded -Totally enjoyed this
Very interesting, Thanks Rebecca and Paul.
Amazing look at the Roman Roads of Great Britain Paul and Rebecca this has been more informative interesting than anything that the big broadcasters put out. As usual I’ll be awaiting your next video
The second job I had was Chichester cattle market, yts digging an old ditch Romen one I have loved history ever since.
Years ago, I had a road atlas of the UK. The majority of it was as you'd expect, but at the back were 'transit maps' of all the motorways, with junctions labelled with main destinations.
Every map was a straight vertical line, every junction was the same distance apart.
I've not seen one like it since!
Entirely useful... until you get lost.
Yes Phill, I had one of those atlases too. Notional London Tube maps bears little relationship to to real above ground relative topograhy.
I never comment on videos. But that was quality viewing. Round of applause 👏 Well done.
Thanks Charlie. Much appreciated
22'x1' sounds quite normal for a scroll; perhaps even a little on the small side. That in turn reminds me of something I saw in the Innovations catalog in the late 80s or early 90s: a road map of Britain which was nothing less than a motorized scroll. The argument for it was that in an ordinary road atlas, it can be hard to find your place after turning the page. Turning the map into a scroll eliminates that problem in one axis, and motorizing it saves a lot of effort when you need to look at another section. Obviously, it didn't take off, but the memory of it has stuck with me all these years, and now I'm convinced that the Peutinger Map -- or rather the map which it was copied from -- was indeed a travel map. :) As far as I can find out, 1 foot wide by 22 feet long is a normal size for a scroll. At 1 foot wide, it wouldn't be too large for an official with a comfortable carriage to look at as he went along. The scroll form also offers a possible explanation of how one end came to be damaged; it was exposed while the rest was not.
But perhaps I should follow the example of Ivan Margary and not be quite so categorically certain. :) He's a good example to imitate for sure.
Rebecca’s hat and sunglasses remind me of a historical TV advert here in the UK… Back in the 70’s there was a public information ad for the Coastguard “Dial 999 and ask for the Coastguard” was the tag line… check it out. Hilarious look-a-likey - Sorry Rebecca - still love your stuff and since they got rid of “Time Team” you’re my favourite go to - toe in the water - historians 👍😎😘😂
Toe on the water historians... that works. 😊
Wonderful piece of research on a subject most even interested parties probably rarely consider - the provenance of assumptions. Excellently presented, too.
Errors in maps are still being perpetrated. In Bilbao maritime museum there is a stained glass map of Northern Europe and the British Isles showing trade routes over time. Cardiff and Newport have been transposed. The duty manager actually swore when he checked what I’d pointed out in an atlas. On the OS tourist map of the Cotswolds ‘Three Choirs Vineyard’ is spelt ‘Chairs’ whilst the 1:25,000 map showing Marlborough indicates that the rivers Stour and Avon are linked where their sources should be, making a vast area to their south an effective island.
Again, many thanks for your work and enthusiasm.
Thank you for a wonderful story, the amount of work and love that you both have for history is amazing.
Thanks Paul
We had geophysics done on our detecting land and they think we have found a new Roman causeway 😊
Brilliant. Love this.
Terrific work! Better than anything on telly.
Paul this was absolutely brilliant. Totally glued to it all the way through. Top info great edit. Well done 👌🏻. Total documentary. 👍🏻🚶🏻♂️🚶♀️. Cheers Watto.
Thank´s a lot, really interesting to hear and see how central Britain was in the Roman Empire.
I think you'll find most of Scotland wasn't part of the Roman Empire. So no Britain wasn't central in the Empire.
I think that actually Britain was viewed as an outpost of empire by the Romans. If you were a Roman soldier, being sent to Hadrians Wall was the equivalent to the Soviets being sent to Siberia!
@@antonioveritas it wasn't Britain, Scotland was never conquered by the Romans.
@@Bruce-1956 I agree with you. But notice I said being sent TO Hadrians Wall, not beyond Hadrians Wall! Hadrians Wall was the northernmost part of the Roman Empire. As you say, the Romans never conquered Scotland!
Best you've ever done! I was sad when it ended
Superb. Thanks.
Nice one! Thanks.
Brilliant work. A noticeable step forward in production quality.
hello again Paul and Rebecca , really good and interesting video as always , i could have watched another hour of this , really well done and thank you both 😊
Thank you, that was an excellent video . I like the way you used the same road as you went along.
As others have said, this was excellent, well written and engaging. It actually reminds me if those documentaries by Bethany Hughes or that Scots guy (names are not my thing 😅). Neil Oliver is who I meant...
The work you both put in was worth it. Thank you.
Thanks for your research which I found fascinating. Keep up the good work. Look forward to your next posting.
Your question at 2:50 ... Check out the ten year winter of 536 AD , i am sure this had a lot more to do with this , than "the Romans left and we fell to pieces" that was taught me at school.
Very interesting insight into the early history of cartography linked to the Roman roads in Britain! I am much into (the history of) roads and paths (and maps), so keep on doing these type of videos. As a Dutch and non-native English speaker your rate of speech is sometimes a little too fast for me, but I can scroll back to listen again 😉. I like the documentary style with walking, maps, landscape elements, text boxes and of course all the research and filming you have done to tell this story 👏
Great video. Thanks.
Superb! Your best yet and that is saying something. I would have been quite enthralled with 90 mins of that TBH... more detail and a little more time for stuff to sink in? Honestly though... WOW!
Great stuff!
The standard of your productions is through the roof Paul & Rebecca. If one didn't know any better one could think they are watching the Discovery channel. The hours/days your putting into these clearly shows.
i do so like this channel the way the story is told as well as the information
Absolutely outstanding, fascinating video! Thanks a lot guys!
Love the content. Cheers from Estonia
How good was that and how much work must have been taken up to make it. A truly professional piece of work and thoroughly enjoyable
Thanks Mark.
Excellent video Paul and Rebecca and very informative. PS: stylish hat Rebecca.
Very well done! This is on a very high scientifical level. It's obvious you put a lot of research in the matter.
Thankyou so much I thoroughly enjoyed this and all of your work but the content your creating now is second to none. As below I would rather watch this than a tv production with bias to whoever they are funded by. I find it astonishing that your creating this with just the 2 of you . I've been a long time subscriber and when you said you would take a little longer to make better content I had no idea this was coming. huge production companies with masses of employees and big budgets don't even come close to this.
Please don't stop.
I also find it fun to figure out where you are on my maps and follow the story through maps my end.
Thank you so much