Daemon's way of making it up to Rhaenyra for his mistake is gonna be to claim the riverlands and harrenhal just like he did the stepstones for Viserys while Rhaenyra thinks he abandonned her Daemon is such an interesting character.
Yeah I agree ! It seems lik Daemon always act in a way to make his family more powerful, fuck it up one way or another and then tries to win their trust back by giving them more powers (the riverland for viserys and harrenhal for rhaenyra)
Daemon knows that viserys was a coward, but he's using that to rationalise why viserys didn't name him heir, instead of recognising that his own actions were the cause of that Daemon has always craved for viserys' affection and acknowledgement. And after his death, he's doing more and more to cope with never receiving it
Exactly That’s why the dialogue and characters are so good, cause it’s not JUST that they are saying one thing and doing another, or feeling one thing and acting is opposition to that, It’s that things characters say can be true, but not THE truth, or lies but yet not untruths
Did you see the different reactions of Alicent and Rhaenyra as mothers? When Jace started crying, Rhaenyra immediately hugged and comforted him, but when Aegon was crying over the death of his son, Alicent left the room.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 That’s no excuse. For example, Cersei lost her mother as a child, just like Alicent, and her father was never affectionate with her either. He treated her like Otto treated Alicent, as an object for gaining advantage. However, even being as horrible as she was, Cersei would never leave her child crying after experiencing something as bad as what happened to Aegon. Seeing your son like this, because his baby just died, I think it's obvious that turning around and leaving is not the right thing to do. Even staying there in silence to keep him company would have been enough. And about Rhaenyra, Viserys literally ignored Rhaenyra for months after her mother died, she did not feel her father's support at the time when she needed it most and to that added that he later chose to marry her only friend, without caring how Rhaenyra could feel. Even when Rhaenyra wanted to share her feelings with her father, Viserys interrupted her as if it were unimportant. The fact that Viserys covered up how Rhaenyra lived her sexuality does not mean that he was a good father to her. What I mean is that although Viserys was obviously a better father than Otto, he never comforted Rhaenyra when she needed it most and even did things that made her feel worse. However, Rhaenyra, even while feeling the horrible pain of having lost a child, comforted Jace because she knew he was suffering the loss of his brother. She did something Viserys never did for her: she put her suffering aside and comforted her child. She broke the cycle of neglect, acting differently from how her father acted when she was suffering. Alicent had the opportunity to break the cycle of neglect and didn’t do it. Alicent having to marry an older man, due to her father's influence was horrible, but if we talk about emotional support, neither of them had it. And yet Rhaenyra knows that what she experienced as a daughter does not have to influence how she is as a mother. I'm just highlighting the obvious difference that the show is portraying with the scenes of Jace and Aegon crying. I'm not saying anything that hasn't been shown or suggested in the show. It might seem like an attack on Alicent's character, but it isn't. What I'm saying is not just my opinion; it's based on what has been represented.
Ah yes so we should ignore their inclusion in it? When a person joins their friends to bully a kid, they dont have right to put the blame on only that friend. Plus, everytime people say Jace and Luke bullied Aemond, the discussion is about Jace and Luke, not Aegon. Ive not seen anyone ever deny that Aegon is also a bully. People in the show and out of the show already view him as such so no need to remind anyone of it.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 Aegon was a teenager and understood more of what he was doing. Luke and jace were little kids that just went with the joke of the older one. And im mationing Aegon because you like to forget that he was worst bully and how hypocrite is too just talk about jace and luke.And still is the bully for what we see in the ep 3.
@@thaispereira7311 No. Aegon was 12. [Ep3 - 2yr. Ep4 - 2yrs + few months. Ep5 - no significant time skip. Ep6 - 12.] So idk where you got teen from. Plus, you are doing exactly what I said, putting all the blame on the worse one as if being the second worse bully in a friend group somehow makes you innocent. But if we were to let that go, Jace and Luke should’ve matured and learnt their mistakes after the 6 year time skip. But instead, they feel no remorse and Luke has the nerve to chuckle straight at Aemond’s face.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 You are talking about mature and learning from their mitakes when Aegon was being a dick to Aemond last ep. What is the execuse now? He still has the mentality of a 12 years old? You said Aegon was 12? Luke and jace were even younger and even now you like to blame them. Aegon do the same being a 20 year adult but you dont say a thing. The hypocrisy is so big
1:05:04 who you’re talking about is Aemon Targaryen, the son of Jahaerys and original heir whose also the father of Rhaenys . He was the rider of Caraxes before Daemon and was fighting myrish pirates on Tarth when an arrow from a crossbow pierced his neck . His death eventually led to these events since afterwards, his bro Baelon the brave ( the father of Viserys and Daemon ) became heir for years until he died of appendicitis which caused the great council 101 at Harrenhall which is where Viserys was chosen to succeed.
i think what most people fail to realize is that alicent was forced to have these Children and then again Otto never showed her any compassion or comfort so of course she does not know how to console aegon, and you can see she wants to.+ Aegon literally represents everything she has lost
You make a good point because even Aemond needs comfort and consolation and he has to go to a whore house to get it. Alicent just isn’t a good mother. I feel like she wants to be a good mother but doesn’t know how.
It is hinted that the White worm actually returned and warned the guards about Arryk. This is why Erryk found out so quickly that his brother is there. At least this is how I think we should understand the scene
The fight between the twins was actually as tragic as written as in the book, the sorrows after each slash to eachother was incredible. If a nitpick could be made for that scene it would probably be that writers should have added the factor of the twins trying to convince eachother to stop and join their own side as their blades connected. If you ever get a chance, you should check out a song that was made for this battle called farewell my brother. I haven't check yet but I believed it is still on youtube.
Personally, as someone who has ADHD (possibly more - still working on getting re-diagnosed lol), I interpreted the Helaena scene as a neurodivergent person getting overstimulated and feeling sensory overload. I know there have been a few times where I've felt an extreme amount of overwhelming stress and strong emotions to the point that it feels like this heavy weight of anxiety crushing you and you just need to escape. And like everything around you is only enhancing the stress. Like I remember hearing people have random conversations outside my room or just outside, lots of loud sounds, white noise, multiple red lights, feeling confined, it just feels like everything piles on during those moments and you get more agitated, even though you realize that these things have nothing to do with the situation. In those moments, I feel like you just need to get out of there and be alone, and at least in my case, just distract yourself with something else (like drawing, writing, watching stuff, etc.). I guess that's why I understood why Helaena was being so distant with everybody even her daughter, because I know I personally need solitude when I'm feeling that overwhelmed initially and I'll come to you on my own time. The worst, WORST thing is when people are or feel like they are preventing you from escaping. Oooh boy, THAT is the worst thing, because you are already freaking out and panicking and trying to walk away or escape, but someone is not letting you, so you just get even more agitated and anxious. Or alternatively, when what is causing the overstimulation is something you can't just simply escape from or leave. I remember there've been a couple of times where I've been ambushed with a car ride conversation, and I've actually considered jumping out of the car (like planning out the exact speed on when to do, tucking and rolling on the grass, whether to step out and run or leap). I even came close to it one day, only going so far as to open the car door (albeit this was shortly after a fast and Furious movie and Ladybird so my perspective was skewed). Also, it's also worst when it feels like people you aren't as close with or don't know are overwhelming you or preventing you from being alone. I know when I went through a major lost, I found it felt overwhelming when more distant family members or people I didn't know as well wouldn't leave me alone, even though I knew they were trying to show their condolences. This all my biased, personal opinion and interpretation based off my experiences, but yeah I though this episode did a really good job portraying that overall sensation with the funeral scene and a lot of Helaena's scenes. I was differently triggered. Also congrats on finally getting to 100K, but also RIP to Carson's hair.
Just for clarification. Yes there is a 3rd son named Daeron. Since hes not relevant to the story til much later, they (the showrunners) didn't mention him in the 1st season. But he will come into the story, my guess is we wont see him til season 3.
They fucking finally mentioned Daeron. Must be weird for non book readers to throw a son into the story randomly without them once seeing him or mentioned
In S1 Otto definitly underestimated how serious Viserys was about making Rhaenyra Queen. He probably assumed he would name Aegon heir pretty quickly after he was born. I don't think he realized Viserys was doing it out of guilt for his wife and daughter.
You are combining two different deaths, Carson. Jaehaerys’s oldest son Aemon ( Rhaenys’s father ) died from a crossbow bolt to the neck while fighting Myrish pirates. His second son Baelon ( Viserys’s and Daemon’s father ) got sick during a hunting trip and later died from a burst belly, Which is basically asoiaf lingo for appendicitis. I know you said you haven’t read the book, so I don’t blame for not keeping track of everything
It was Arryk that killed himself. They purposely confused the viewer by having them swap roles mid fight, by swapping dialogue Erryk had a gash on his right leg, and he was the one on the ground that got impaled because of that leg.
@@blazeblade761 Yes he does, he could have recognized her authority and still had been regretful. Anyway, I literally already said they swapped the dialogue anyway to keep it confusing so
I like otto this ep but i dont forget he was the one that started all this. He was the one that put Aegon on the throne. Not because he thought he would be a good king. But because he thought he could control him. Since Rhaenyra was younger he saw he cant control her. He put Aegon on throne not because of the good of realm or he thought it what Viserys wanted as he clearly says this ep. He just wants power.
I dont know about the show but in the books Baelon, Viserys and Daemon's dad, was the second son of Jaeherys. he of a "burst stomach" possibly appendicitis after hunting trip. his older brother Aemon, Rhaenys dad, died of a crossbow bolt to the neck fighting pirates/dornish in Tarth
Fun Fact: there was a Lord Commander of the Kingsgaurd who was Hand of the King in the pass during King Jaeherys' reign. But was he was so bad at his job that he was removed (not killed) as Hand after only a year. Not a good track record for Ser crispy.
At first I was worried that the writers completey excluded Daeron from the show.. They finally mentioned my boy! When he shows up and he will, I hope they will portray him right - like in the books. For me he is not like Aegon or Aemond. He was a fairly kind, clever, and humble guy. Definitely the best among Alicen't sons. And honestly? The best among all of Viserys' kids (barring Helaena who we all love). Too bad, he was Alicent's third son. If Daeron was her eldest son then that throne would have been his. Or at the very least, Rhaenyra would have a tough time trying to defeat him. Because he's at least someone you can support for a reason beyond his so-called "birthright". (Spoiler for non book readers) The toughest part with Daeron is that he is a kid - some of the worst atrocities occur directly under his watch after Tumbleton, he isn't directly committing them like Aemond burning the riverlands or Aegon's litany of dark and violent deeds, but because he is 'a Targaryen alone in the world', and a kid besides, he's unable to do anything about it. Literally just if Ormond had lived, if Aemond had not been so overly single minded on vengeance against Daemon, if Daeron hadn't burned hundreds of injured people in a Sept at Bitterbridge (😬 I can believe he set the whole town on fire by accident the way it is described, especially considering how disgusted he is later), if Daeron's councilors had not been afraid of giving up potential dragon power and imprisoned/killed the betrayers sooner, if the men around him weren't so selfishly power hungry, things could have worked out differently. It's also possible history speaks better of him because he dies. Nonthelsss I can't wait till they give us Daeron the Daring alongside Tessarion! This episode was an emotional roller-coaster. From watching Aegon and poor Haleana griefing over their baby boy 😢. The Daemon and Rhaenyra "fall-out". But I know Daemon will undo his mistake in the next episode. Aemond cheeks supremacy!!!The Cargyll twins duell was so emotional I can't even 😭 Ser Criston probably by now the most disliked character! 🤣 Tom Glynn Carney, Emma D'Arcy and Rhys Ifans put a god-tier performance in this episode! peak acting.
Daeron is the daeron we love because he is the third son he grew up in oldtown, away from all the drama and the politicing and emotional manipulation if he was the first born he would have turned out like aegon
I mean as much as grrm says that, daemon in both show and book is nearly totally bad. The "good" things are solely because he wants to his family the most powerful, exactly what everyone else wants
Great episode, the twin shenanigans were slightly unbelievable, but even then I could see it happening. At the same time which twin won the fight and fell on his sword? I felt like a bad person, I was like, "which one was Erryk again?". Am i wrong in thinking the brother who won was the Team Green one and he killed himself because he regretted killing his brother and siding against him?
Allicent staying close to Cole is smart (I don't know if she was doing it for that reason though), who knows what he would do if he was Hand and bitter at Allicent.
Not really considering b&c is the only bad war crime Daemon ever commited and we havent seen the worse of other characters like Aemond, Rhaenyra, Aegon,Daeron etc.
As for Aegon, he is the single best character in not only the Dance of Dragons, but the entire Fire & Blood book ( only behind Jaehaerys I, the GOAT ), and it is not even close. S2 is portraying him well, but I miss his lines from the book, he has by far the best lines in the entire book and certainly at the very least one of the best ever written by GRRM. His best lines haven't been adapted yet, but 2 that were cut or badly adapted at this point of the story I also like: Aegon II was two-and-twenty, quick to anger and slow to forgive. Rhaenyra’s refusal to accept his rule enraged him. “I offered her an honorable peace, and the whore spat in my face,” he declared. “What happens next is on her own head.” What happened next was war. --- And the quote from today's episode that was badly adapted: Yet Ser Otto was losing the trust of his king, who mistook his efforts for inaction, and his caution for cowardice. Septon Eustace tells us of one occasion when Aegon entered the Tower of the Hand and found Ser Otto writing another letter, whereupon he knocked the inkpot into his grandsire’s lap, declaring, “Thrones are won with swords, not quills. Spill blood, not ink.”
Otto never used Viserys supposedly naming Aegon, he decided to crown Aegon when Aegon was born, he merely added that lie to tell the people because what not? Regardless what Viserys said, he'd always crown Aegon. Like, how is it difficult to understand Aegon's claim? Otto talks about it multiple times. From Showrunner Ryan Condal's own mouth, I quote "Aegon is the male claimant. He is the firstborn son of the dead king. Thus, by all rule, by all precedent, even by the precedent set by Jaehaerys, the greatest king that we've ever had, he should be king. Rhaenyra's really only case is, my dad said he wanted it to be me.
Rhaenyra was also sworn in as the heir, a kings word is law . It’s only a precedent that a son comes before a daughter in inheritance . Since Viserys chose Rhaenyra and had all the lords swear fealty to her, house hightower and all the houses that support Aegon are traitors, oathbreakers and usurpers . It’s not that hard to understand .
By the end of this season, everyone will realize how easily the blacks could’ve killed the entire greens bloodline if Rhaenyra just let Daemon do what he does best from the start. She tries to be just how her father but in a time of war Daemon is what’s needed to win.
Another very good episode. Y do I feel more people r more upset with criston in this episode over daemon who literally had a child killed? It makes no sense to me. Ive been saying this for the longest daemon and Otto r two side of the same coin. They are upset with their kings and queens because neither listen to them, they both want to be in control, and when they not in control they both over step. Otto is not upset that aegon is acting like an idiot he is upset that aegon ignored his advise. Otto wants king v back because king v always bend over and was a people pleaser. Its all about contol with both daemon and otto. The only difference between them is that they use different tools to attack their enemies. Daemon uses the blade and otto has his tongue. Anyone else notice the parallel with rhaenyra calling out daemon manipulation in this episode like how Alicent confront Otto with his manipulation in episode 9.
Otto is a really complex character, i dont know why plp read him so bad, he is the only one that really care about the realm, from season 1 he has been foreseeing problems way ahaed of everyone else and has been trying to solved before it happen, but plp dont litsen
@@reinsaxony4623you literally never heard daemon say no son for a son to them lmfao when blood said that he’s obviously talking about daemon asking for aemond who guess what is a son? Lmao go somewhere else man
“It’s pretty clear that he did ask for them to kill a child” Bro, what? You literally hear the whole conversation between Daemon and the assassins in the previous episode, he told them specifically to go for Aemond. They didn’t find him but they found Helaena and the children and decided themselves that a child would do. It’s not that Daemon told them to go for a child or even that they had unclear instructions, they were just dumb.
First thing that Aegon and Otto do when something happens blame Rhaenyra even though she has no part in the murder of the infant that is why I don't like the greens, the only green I like is Helaena. Team Black here 🖤
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Daemon's way of making it up to Rhaenyra for his mistake is gonna be to claim the riverlands and harrenhal just like he did the stepstones for Viserys while Rhaenyra thinks he abandonned her Daemon is such an interesting character.
Why on earth would you think he needs to make up for anything?
@@cardona9448 to earn her trust back. Just like with Viserys as much as Daemon can be a dick he loves his family.
Yeah I agree ! It seems lik Daemon always act in a way to make his family more powerful, fuck it up one way or another and then tries to win their trust back by giving them more powers (the riverland for viserys and harrenhal for rhaenyra)
Daemon doesn’t love his family lol 😂😂😂 he ordered a hit on his nephew for Gods sake.
@@ondamanableare you dull? Don't you know the family we are talking about obviously he doesn't care about the greens
Daemon knows that viserys was a coward, but he's using that to rationalise why viserys didn't name him heir, instead of recognising that his own actions were the cause of that
Daemon has always craved for viserys' affection and acknowledgement. And after his death, he's doing more and more to cope with never receiving it
Exactly
That’s why the dialogue and characters are so good, cause it’s not JUST that they are saying one thing and doing another, or feeling one thing and acting is opposition to that,
It’s that things characters say can be true, but not THE truth, or lies but yet not untruths
Did you see the different reactions of Alicent and Rhaenyra as mothers? When Jace started crying, Rhaenyra immediately hugged and comforted him, but when Aegon was crying over the death of his son, Alicent left the room.
That's actually crazy
Alicent didnt get love so she doesnt know how to give it. Rheanyra got love. If she didn't give it to her son, that would be more fucked up
@@rexibhazoboa7097 That’s no excuse. For example, Cersei lost her mother as a child, just like Alicent, and her father was never affectionate with her either. He treated her like Otto treated Alicent, as an object for gaining advantage. However, even being as horrible as she was, Cersei would never leave her child crying after experiencing something as bad as what happened to Aegon.
Seeing your son like this, because his baby just died, I think it's obvious that turning around and leaving is not the right thing to do. Even staying there in silence to keep him company would have been enough.
And about Rhaenyra, Viserys literally ignored Rhaenyra for months after her mother died, she did not feel her father's support at the time when she needed it most and to that added that he later chose to marry her only friend, without caring how Rhaenyra could feel.
Even when Rhaenyra wanted to share her feelings with her father, Viserys interrupted her as if it were unimportant.
The fact that Viserys covered up how Rhaenyra lived her sexuality does not mean that he was a good father to her.
What I mean is that although Viserys was obviously a better father than Otto, he never comforted Rhaenyra when she needed it most and even did things that made her feel worse. However, Rhaenyra, even while feeling the horrible pain of having lost a child, comforted Jace because she knew he was suffering the loss of his brother. She did something Viserys never did for her: she put her suffering aside and comforted her child. She broke the cycle of neglect, acting differently from how her father acted when she was suffering.
Alicent had the opportunity to break the cycle of neglect and didn’t do it.
Alicent having to marry an older man, due to her father's influence was horrible, but if we talk about emotional support, neither of them had it.
And yet Rhaenyra knows that what she experienced as a daughter does not have to influence how she is as a mother.
I'm just highlighting the obvious difference that the show is portraying with the scenes of Jace and Aegon crying.
I'm not saying anything that hasn't been shown or suggested in the show. It might seem like an attack on Alicent's character, but it isn't. What I'm saying is not just my opinion; it's based on what has been represented.
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People talk about how jace and luke bullied aemond as a child but they dont remember that Aegon was the oldest of them and was his main bully.
Ah yes so we should ignore their inclusion in it? When a person joins their friends to bully a kid, they dont have right to put the blame on only that friend.
Plus, everytime people say Jace and Luke bullied Aemond, the discussion is about Jace and Luke, not Aegon. Ive not seen anyone ever deny that Aegon is also a bully. People in the show and out of the show already view him as such so no need to remind anyone of it.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 Aegon was a teenager and understood more of what he was doing. Luke and jace were little kids that just went with the joke of the older one. And im mationing Aegon because you like to forget that he was worst bully and how hypocrite is too just talk about jace and luke.And still is the bully for what we see in the ep 3.
@@thaispereira7311 No. Aegon was 12.
[Ep3 - 2yr. Ep4 - 2yrs + few months. Ep5 - no significant time skip. Ep6 - 12.]
So idk where you got teen from.
Plus, you are doing exactly what I said, putting all the blame on the worse one as if being the second worse bully in a friend group somehow makes you innocent.
But if we were to let that go, Jace and Luke should’ve matured and learnt their mistakes after the 6 year time skip. But instead, they feel no remorse and Luke has the nerve to chuckle straight at Aemond’s face.
@@rexibhazoboa7097 You are talking about mature and learning from their mitakes when Aegon was being a dick to Aemond last ep. What is the execuse now? He still has the mentality of a 12 years old? You said Aegon was 12? Luke and jace were even younger and even now you like to blame them. Aegon do the same being a 20 year adult but you dont say a thing. The hypocrisy is so big
The pig was Jace's idea tho.@@thaispereira7311
1:05:04 who you’re talking about is Aemon Targaryen, the son of Jahaerys and original heir whose also the father of Rhaenys . He was the rider of Caraxes before Daemon and was fighting myrish pirates on Tarth when an arrow from a crossbow pierced his neck . His death eventually led to these events since afterwards, his bro Baelon the brave ( the father of Viserys and Daemon ) became heir for years until he died of appendicitis which caused the great council 101 at Harrenhall which is where Viserys was chosen to succeed.
i think what most people fail to realize is that alicent was forced to have these Children and then again Otto never showed her any compassion or comfort so of course she does not know how to console aegon, and you can see she wants to.+ Aegon literally represents everything she has lost
I saw it as “ it’s my sins why created this tragedy, I am at fault, who am I to comfort him, I don’t have a right”
You make a good point because even Aemond needs comfort and consolation and he has to go to a whore house to get it. Alicent just isn’t a good mother. I feel like she wants to be a good mother but doesn’t know how.
@@YohanRoth both i think
@@YohanRoth Valid thought
Bruh the two most loyal knights just died
Criston is loyal as hell to Aegon II
It is hinted that the White worm actually returned and warned the guards about Arryk. This is why Erryk found out so quickly that his brother is there. At least this is how I think we should understand the scene
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The fight between the twins was actually as tragic as written as in the book, the sorrows after each slash to eachother was incredible. If a nitpick could be made for that scene it would probably be that writers should have added the factor of the twins trying to convince eachother to stop and join their own side as their blades connected. If you ever get a chance, you should check out a song that was made for this battle called farewell my brother. I haven't check yet but I believed it is still on youtube.
“What about the fucking rats?!” Killed me 😂
Personally, as someone who has ADHD (possibly more - still working on getting re-diagnosed lol), I interpreted the Helaena scene as a neurodivergent person getting overstimulated and feeling sensory overload. I know there have been a few times where I've felt an extreme amount of overwhelming stress and strong emotions to the point that it feels like this heavy weight of anxiety crushing you and you just need to escape. And like everything around you is only enhancing the stress. Like I remember hearing people have random conversations outside my room or just outside, lots of loud sounds, white noise, multiple red lights, feeling confined, it just feels like everything piles on during those moments and you get more agitated, even though you realize that these things have nothing to do with the situation.
In those moments, I feel like you just need to get out of there and be alone, and at least in my case, just distract yourself with something else (like drawing, writing, watching stuff, etc.). I guess that's why I understood why Helaena was being so distant with everybody even her daughter, because I know I personally need solitude when I'm feeling that overwhelmed initially and I'll come to you on my own time. The worst, WORST thing is when people are or feel like they are preventing you from escaping. Oooh boy, THAT is the worst thing, because you are already freaking out and panicking and trying to walk away or escape, but someone is not letting you, so you just get even more agitated and anxious. Or alternatively, when what is causing the overstimulation is something you can't just simply escape from or leave. I remember there've been a couple of times where I've been ambushed with a car ride conversation, and I've actually considered jumping out of the car (like planning out the exact speed on when to do, tucking and rolling on the grass, whether to step out and run or leap). I even came close to it one day, only going so far as to open the car door (albeit this was shortly after a fast and Furious movie and Ladybird so my perspective was skewed). Also, it's also worst when it feels like people you aren't as close with or don't know are overwhelming you or preventing you from being alone. I know when I went through a major lost, I found it felt overwhelming when more distant family members or people I didn't know as well wouldn't leave me alone, even though I knew they were trying to show their condolences.
This all my biased, personal opinion and interpretation based off my experiences, but yeah I though this episode did a really good job portraying that overall sensation with the funeral scene and a lot of Helaena's scenes. I was differently triggered.
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Just for clarification. Yes there is a 3rd son named Daeron. Since hes not relevant to the story til much later, they (the showrunners) didn't mention him in the 1st season. But he will come into the story, my guess is we wont see him til season 3.
Small reminder that Otto didn't want Criston Cole on the king's guard. icl he was right in the end
They fucking finally mentioned Daeron. Must be weird for non book readers to throw a son into the story randomly without them once seeing him or mentioned
In S1 Otto definitly underestimated how serious Viserys was about making Rhaenyra Queen. He probably assumed he would name Aegon heir pretty quickly after he was born. I don't think he realized Viserys was doing it out of guilt for his wife and daughter.
He also tried to prevent a war by proposing to the king that Aegon and Rheanyra elope. Viserys in all his naivete laughed it off.
You are combining two different deaths, Carson. Jaehaerys’s oldest son Aemon ( Rhaenys’s father ) died from a crossbow bolt to the neck while fighting Myrish pirates. His second son Baelon ( Viserys’s and Daemon’s father ) got sick during a hunting trip and later died from a burst belly, Which is basically asoiaf lingo for appendicitis. I know you said you haven’t read the book, so I don’t blame for not keeping track of everything
It was Arryk that killed himself. They purposely confused the viewer by having them swap roles mid fight, by swapping dialogue
Erryk had a gash on his right leg, and he was the one on the ground that got impaled because of that leg.
No it was not…writers confirmed it was erryk that killed himself
No it's erryk arryk has no reason to call rhaenyra your grace and seek her forgiveness
@@blazeblade761 Yes he does, he could have recognized her authority and still had been regretful.
Anyway, I literally already said they swapped the dialogue anyway to keep it confusing so
@@jagerbradleyu were still proudly wrong. Erryk khs partly because he would’ve never been trusted again
@@slothyy6732 It’s like you people don’t read anything I say
I like otto this ep but i dont forget he was the one that started all this. He was the one that put Aegon on the throne. Not because he thought he would be a good king. But because he thought he could control him. Since Rhaenyra was younger he saw he cant control her. He put Aegon on throne not because of the good of realm or he thought it what Viserys wanted as he clearly says this ep. He just wants power.
I do think Rhaenyra talk about the common folk and how begining a war might hurt them in the last episode of season 1
I really like that this show is making people think and analyse things in deep way.. Enjoying your discussion... 🌟💥
With DAERON comes HIS DRAGON TESSARION THE BLUE QUEEN
I dont know about the show but in the books Baelon, Viserys and Daemon's dad, was the second son of Jaeherys. he of a "burst stomach" possibly appendicitis after hunting trip. his older brother Aemon, Rhaenys dad, died of a crossbow bolt to the neck fighting pirates/dornish in Tarth
Im not sure but i think after lukes death Jeoffrey is Corleys heir
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Fun Fact: there was a Lord Commander of the Kingsgaurd who was Hand of the King in the pass during King Jaeherys' reign. But was he was so bad at his job that he was removed (not killed) as Hand after only a year. Not a good track record for Ser crispy.
At first I was worried that the writers completey excluded Daeron from the show.. They finally mentioned my boy! When he shows up and he will, I hope they will portray him right - like in the books. For me he is not like Aegon or Aemond. He was a fairly kind, clever, and humble guy. Definitely the best among Alicen't sons. And honestly? The best among all of Viserys' kids (barring Helaena who we all love). Too bad, he was Alicent's third son. If Daeron was her eldest son then that throne would have been his. Or at the very least, Rhaenyra would have a tough time trying to defeat him. Because he's at least someone you can support for a reason beyond his so-called "birthright".
(Spoiler for non book readers)
The toughest part with Daeron is that he is a kid - some of the worst atrocities occur directly under his watch after Tumbleton, he isn't directly committing them like Aemond burning the riverlands or Aegon's litany of dark and violent deeds, but because he is 'a Targaryen alone in the world', and a kid besides, he's unable to do anything about it. Literally just if Ormond had lived, if Aemond had not been so overly single minded on vengeance against Daemon, if Daeron hadn't burned hundreds of injured people in a Sept at Bitterbridge (😬 I can believe he set the whole town on fire by accident the way it is described, especially considering how disgusted he is later), if Daeron's councilors had not been afraid of giving up potential dragon power and imprisoned/killed the betrayers sooner, if the men around him weren't so selfishly power hungry, things could have worked out differently. It's also possible history speaks better of him because he dies. Nonthelsss I can't wait till they give us Daeron the Daring alongside Tessarion!
This episode was an emotional roller-coaster. From watching Aegon and poor Haleana griefing over their baby boy 😢. The Daemon and Rhaenyra "fall-out". But I know Daemon will undo his mistake in the next episode. Aemond cheeks supremacy!!!The Cargyll twins duell was so emotional I can't even 😭 Ser Criston probably by now the most disliked character! 🤣 Tom Glynn Carney, Emma D'Arcy and Rhys Ifans put a god-tier performance in this episode! peak acting.
Daeron is the daeron we love because he is the third son he grew up in oldtown, away from all the drama and the politicing and emotional manipulation if he was the first born he would have turned out like aegon
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I love how from bothsides third party took decision without anyone knowing and now both sides thinks it has done by the queen or king
Well Aegon approved of Cristons plan
When might you guys do the rest of Invincible?
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Daemon is grrm's definitive grey character neither good nor bad. Makes him interesting.
I mean as much as grrm says that, daemon in both show and book is nearly totally bad. The "good" things are solely because he wants to his family the most powerful, exactly what everyone else wants
@@sarwatarannya8786yeah. Grrm keeps using the words "morally grey" for daemon. I do not think it means what grrm thinks it means.
In the books at least he's a dark gray, while in the show he's the blackest vilain. @@ineffablegabe
Sir Crispen Cole is such a little shit... I love it
Dude idk why but i bust out laughing so hard everytime you call this show Hot D 😂
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Great episode, the twin shenanigans were slightly unbelievable, but even then I could see it happening. At the same time which twin won the fight and fell on his sword? I felt like a bad person, I was like, "which one was Erryk again?". Am i wrong in thinking the brother who won was the Team Green one and he killed himself because he regretted killing his brother and siding against him?
Nice reaction🙌🖤mom of the year
Alicent knows she has to keep Cole on a leash. That why she starts kissing halfway through beating him.
OK, who's the assassin? Dead first one or the suicide one? 😵💫
Arryk (Assassin) was the one who killed himself, he couldn’t live with the guilt of killing his brother
Allicent staying close to Cole is smart (I don't know if she was doing it for that reason though), who knows what he would do if he was Hand and bitter at Allicent.
I wish to spill blood, not ink
the dialogue in this episode was insane, specially in rhaenyra x daemon and otto x aemond and cole
If not for Criston, Daemon would be the biggest piece of garbage in hotd.
Not really considering b&c is the only bad war crime Daemon ever commited and we havent seen the worse of other characters like Aemond, Rhaenyra, Aegon,Daeron etc.
Cap daemon a fan favorite unlike Cole
Tgc is amazing
As for Aegon, he is the single best character in not only the Dance of Dragons, but the entire Fire & Blood book ( only behind Jaehaerys I, the GOAT ), and it is not even close.
S2 is portraying him well, but I miss his lines from the book, he has by far the best lines in the entire book and certainly at the very least one of the best ever written by GRRM.
His best lines haven't been adapted yet, but 2 that were cut or badly adapted at this point of the story I also like:
Aegon II was two-and-twenty, quick to anger and slow to forgive. Rhaenyra’s refusal to accept his rule enraged him. “I offered her an honorable peace, and the whore spat in my face,” he declared. “What happens next is on her own head.”
What happened next was war.
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And the quote from today's episode that was badly adapted:
Yet Ser Otto was losing the trust of his king, who mistook his efforts for inaction, and his caution for cowardice. Septon Eustace tells us of one occasion when Aegon entered the Tower of the Hand and found Ser Otto writing another letter, whereupon he knocked the inkpot into his grandsire’s lap, declaring, “Thrones are won with swords, not
quills. Spill blood, not ink.”
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Otto never used Viserys supposedly naming Aegon, he decided to crown Aegon when Aegon was born, he merely added that lie to tell the people because what not? Regardless what Viserys said, he'd always crown Aegon.
Like, how is it difficult to understand Aegon's claim? Otto talks about it multiple times.
From Showrunner Ryan Condal's own mouth, I quote "Aegon is the male claimant. He is the firstborn son of the dead king. Thus, by all rule, by all precedent, even by the precedent set by Jaehaerys, the greatest king that we've ever had, he should be king. Rhaenyra's really only case is, my dad said he wanted it to be me.
Rhaenyra was also sworn in as the heir, a kings word is law . It’s only a precedent that a son comes before a daughter in inheritance . Since Viserys chose Rhaenyra and had all the lords swear fealty to her, house hightower and all the houses that support Aegon are traitors, oathbreakers and usurpers . It’s not that hard to understand .
By the end of this season, everyone will realize how easily the blacks could’ve killed the entire greens bloodline if Rhaenyra just let Daemon do what he does best from the start. She tries to be just how her father but in a time of war Daemon is what’s needed to win.
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Another very good episode. Y do I feel more people r more upset with criston in this episode over daemon who literally had a child killed? It makes no sense to me.
Ive been saying this for the longest daemon and Otto r two side of the same coin. They are upset with their kings and queens because neither listen to them, they both want to be in control, and when they not in control they both over step.
Otto is not upset that aegon is acting like an idiot he is upset that aegon ignored his advise. Otto wants king v back because king v always bend over and was a people pleaser. Its all about contol with both daemon and otto. The only difference between them is that they use different tools to attack their enemies. Daemon uses the blade and otto has his tongue.
Anyone else notice the parallel with rhaenyra calling out daemon manipulation in this episode like how Alicent confront Otto with his manipulation in episode 9.
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And now the actor of criston cole, fabien is being harassed and insulted on the internet. Poor guy.
Otto is a really complex character, i dont know why plp read him so bad, he is the only one that really care about the realm, from season 1 he has been foreseeing problems way ahaed of everyone else and has been trying to solved before it happen, but plp dont litsen
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Daemon didn’t say get the kid lol we didn’t hear it at all
"Caraxes_RoguePrince" lmao.
Daemon said "a son for a son" when they asked what they should do if they can't find Aemond.
Stop copping.
@@reinsaxony4623you literally never heard daemon say no son for a son to them lmfao when blood said that he’s obviously talking about daemon asking for aemond who guess what is a son? Lmao go somewhere else man
“It’s pretty clear that he did ask for them to kill a child”
Bro, what? You literally hear the whole conversation between Daemon and the assassins in the previous episode, he told them specifically to go for Aemond. They didn’t find him but they found Helaena and the children and decided themselves that a child would do. It’s not that Daemon told them to go for a child or even that they had unclear instructions, they were just dumb.
Crispin Cole goes on Crispin just wait and see how Crispin will somehow crisp his way to the crisping throne
Rhaenyra the victim
Aemond the one eye victim
Sure buddy
Typical blacks playing victim cards
@@Overvoid125well the show is giving Alicent the "victim card" way too much,her getting show in Luke funeral
As of right now I'm more team black than I am team green
For the first and maybe the last time, Otto made me really like him calling out Aegon
First thing that Aegon and Otto do when something happens blame Rhaenyra even though she has no part in the murder of the infant that is why I don't like the greens, the only green I like is Helaena. Team Black here 🖤
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