Comparing REL Acoustics T/9x and S/510 - Which Subwoofer is Right for You?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Why do we make the recommendations we make first of all, and why is it a problem if you start trying to break out of those and you're just looking at the dollars and cents of it and thinking about things like, well, I can get two for about the same price as one. Understand the very first thing you have to do when you're matching subs with speakers and this is so critical to getting your system to work properly is you have to get the speed.
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If the sub isn't faster than your speaker, then it's holding up the parade and that's a terrible place to be. Those of us who've done this for years. That's the thing we hated the most about subwoofers as a category.
They were generally so slow and sloggy that yes, they made more bass, but at what cost to the system. So you had this sort of silly sounding thing that was like, boom happening after the tweet. Everything else in the music would come first and then there would be this drunk stumbling along and you had this huge loud deep bass.
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We've gotten away from that. The RELs are all about speed. For example, a 510 is vastly quicker than even a T/9x and the 9/x's are so much faster than the old T/i's. So you can see the speed theme repeating as we get better we get faster. We also get deeper. We play louder. But the 510 has 500 Watts and that is a perfect filter that extends out and flattens the extremely deep bass. The 9/x can't do that. You can't do that with 300 Watts and ask it to do all these things.
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So there's about a five or six Hertz difference between how deep a 510 can go down and how deep a T/9x can go down to give that some idea of where that sits in there. Three Hertz is an entire performance class jump. We're talking five Hertz, almost two performance class jumps going between a .9/x and a 510. That's huge. The amount of driven surface area, a 10 and a 12 versus a 10 and a 10 driven by 500 Watts versus 300 Watts. It's immense.
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The kinds of speakers you can partner up with change completely. So what I suggest you do is take a look at what we recommend on the website.
If we've recommended it, that's the correct model. Go to our website, their headers up there, look underneath the tools and there'll be one for speaker partnering and go through that. Put your speakers in or one that's very similar to it. We don't put all the various brands there must be, you know, 2000 speaker brands out there these days.
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But if it's a high quality, six and a half inch, double six in a medium-sized floorstander find something else that's very similar and plug that in, and you'll see if we recommend a 510, to 2 T/9x is not the same thing as one S/510. If we say the best piece is for a single 510
and if you have the budget or you get into a larger room, do a pair, do that. There's a huge jump off between those two. And we're really, really careful when we put those recommendations in senior staff have listened to them many times in many different kinds of rooms.
I understand, and I completely agree. But there’s also a huge jump off in cost. That matters in the real world.
Thank you for your videos John. I would never forget you responding to my email to REL for recommendations for a sub bass for Dyn S40s. I ended up buying what you recommended which is a S/510 & Im glad I made the purchase. Have these driven by a Primare i35 class D amp.
I can see this video will end up costing me money!
These videos have cost me (3)T/9i & (4) 1508’s 😩😩😩
I’m in this exact situation right now with a new house. Recommended an S/510 and I’m thinking two T9Xs could exceed what the S/510 could give. Now I know better, will not make that mistake! Of course, I’ve heard both and the S/510 is amazing and better than the T9X, almost invisible in the room.
Haven't looked back after breaking the budget for a pair of the S/510 this January. Unexpectedly moved homes this summer to a MUCH bigger room and they haven't missed a step. If anything they performed even better because I was now in a detached and could experienced them to their potential. I've owned the R series and the T prior and these are true "class step up pieces".
Thank you for your response, and we are very glad to hear that you are enjoying the performance of your S/510 subwoofers! If anything comes up or you have any questions about your S/510s then feel free to let us know and we will be happy to assist.
@@RELAcoustics Shame I can never find a dealer who has a stacked array. It's a real investment to double and triple the cost to buy 4 or 6 subs
I'm using a T9i and a S/510 - in diagonally opposite corners of the room. Main speakers are Focal Aria's. Sounds fantastic.
Thank you for choosing REL subwoofers for your system, and we are glad to hear that you are enjoying their performance in your system! If you have any questions about your RELs then feel free to let us know and we will be happy to assist.
I was recommended to get the S510 with my Totem Tribe Towers vs the T9x. You've answered my question and will be stretching the budget to get the S510. Thanks so much for posting.
Thank you for watching! If you have any questions about the S/510 or any of our other subwoofer models then feel free to write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to assist.
It makes all sense pairing the subs with de speakers speed and these with the components and cables, this meaning it should go as a all system and not only this or that. It´s not about the money we spend. For me it's all about the balance of components and speakers and subs and cables AND power conditioning (what a change it do!).
Thanks Rel for one more lesson about audio and the product sense specs.
I ended up purchasing the S/510 to pair with my Dynaudio Heritage Special speakers. I contacted REL Support before purchasing to ask about subwoofer pairing and hookup advice. REL support is world class and I am very satisfied with my purchase.
I also have a set of Dynaudio Heritage Specials and have been recommended the S/510 as a minimum pairing. For me it all comes down to size as I don't know that I can accommodate anything larger than the S/510 but I have this nagging thought that I should be looking at the S/812 or Carbon Special. How's your experience been with the S/510?
@@probelou The S/510 has been a great pairing with my Heritage Specials. I never feel that I should have purchased the S/812 or Carbon Special. I am perfectly satisfied with the S/510. You can alway try and return/upgrade if you feel the S/510 does not satisfy your deep bass goal. The best advice might be to purchase 2 S/510’s if your budget/room size permits.
@@SteveBibb Thanks for the info. I did see John mention in another video the S/510 is slightly faster than the S/812 and is better suited to fast, european stand mount speakers. I think I'm gonna demo an S/510 🙂
I moved up from a pair of TX9's to a pair of S510's. Honestly there wasn't the huge jump in performance that John promotes. The TX9's have plenty of bass to over power my Maggie 3.7's. The one difference that stood out was the S510's have noticeably more concussive impact.
Thank you for this.
What about going the other way? If the website suggests a T9x, is it ok to go up to the s/510 for the added performance?
Thank you for reaching out. In some cases, if the typical recommendation for your speakers and room is the T/9x then moving up in size to the S/510 can result in an improvement in performance and still perform well in the system, though it is dependent on room and system-specific variables. When you have a chance, feel free to write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to discuss subwoofer pairing options for your system.
I have the Rel s510 for 2 years. I have a great low bass with my audio analogue and focal Aria 936. I use the sub only for HT.
I highly recommend Rel company their subwoofer is phenomenally made and of the highest quality!
The others don't reach a quarter of REL
So my new home theater room will be roughly 12' x 19' and I will run it for a mix of music only and as part of a 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos setup. I will have a set of B&W 702 Signatures up front and the larger of their 700 series centers.. Your speaker pairing tool actually recommended the T/9x vs the S/510, but I'm wondering if the S/510 might still be advantageous to me (either single or paired) vs the pair of T/9x's. Thoughts?
Thank you for reaching out. You are correct that based on the size of your listening room we typically recommend the T/9x as being the best option for pairing with your B&W 702 Signature speakers. That being said, the S/510 is also a good option for these speakers, and can work well in this size of room without overloading the space. In addition, the S/510 will offer an improvement in performance when compared to the T/9x.
If you have any additional questions about subwoofer pairing for this system, then feel free to write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to assist.
I am looking at this REL s510. Question will 1 be good enough for my living room upstairs. Long rectangle room 20ft x 30ft x 8 ft tall. About 4,800 to 5000 cubic feet plus staircase.
Music Fidelity bass dynamics articulation is more important for me though i also like some Movies, Gaming.
Thank you for reaching out, and for your interest in REL Acoustics subwoofers. The ideal subwoofer choice for your system will depend on a few additional variables. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net with a brief description of your room and equipment and we will be happy to provide a subwoofer pairing recommendation specific to your system.
using 2x 510s and 2xT9x for hifi and HT ... would love a HT1210 version for the .1 channel ...not too heavy but 12" and a good amp... 1510 us just too heavy/large
Have you got the 510s set as hi level to support front speakers, and the T9x x 2 for lfe?
Is the T7x faster than the T9x?
If so, will the T7x come close to the speed of the S/510?
Both the T/7x and the T/9x are very similar from a speed and responsiveness standpoint, with the S/510 being noticeably faster than either of the T/x models.
I have some full range speakers from Adelaide Speakers (not listed on your speakers match), my room is medium/large open plan (3 rooms in one, I listen in the first main lounge room area 6mtrs by 7mtrs in space at a 3 metre listening distance as the speakers are 3 to 4 foot from back wall and same from side walls) 6mtrs wide by 13mtrs deep and 9' ceilings, I have these full range very high quality, custom hand built floor standers (Artisan top of the line from Adelaide Speakers) in a well treated room with 2" panels and Prime Acoustic Maxx Traps in each of the 3 corners (as one corner connects to a doorway to kitchen)... I'm tossing up between T/9x and s/510 for a pair, but cannot find any similar speakers to match the ones I have in your list, which would be a better match (my speakers are rate 91db and 8ohms and go down to 30hz before rolling off and being lessened bass, even though rated to 22Hz it doesnn't happen hence wanting stereo subs as I only listen to music 80% of the time in stereo)... Hope you can help.
Thank you for reaching out. Based on your description the S/510 will likely be the best fit for your system, since it is capable of reaching deeper below where your Adelaide speakers naturally roll-off in their low-frequency extension in your room, though it is possible that one of our other models will be a better match. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net and our team will be happy to provide a pairing recommendation specific to your system.
When is the S line refresh expected? since both the HT & T line has been refreshed recently.
Thank you for reaching out. At this time we do not have any plans to refresh the current Serie S models or otherwise discontinue the current models.
@@RELAcoustics Hmmn, i want to upgrade my previous S series subs to the S/510s. So thought a refresh is expected in the coming months & didn't want buyers remorse..
Which one of Rels would You recommend for pairing with Kef ls 60 wireless in medium size room or these speakers don’t require sub at all?
Thank you for reaching out. Any speaker will benefit by the addition of an appropriate subwoofer, though the ideal subwoofer choice for pairing with your Kef LS60 wireless will depend on a few additional variables. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net and our team will be happy to discuss pairing options for your system.
Hi i have pylon jasper 25 loudspeakers (32 Hz - 20 kHz), my room is 35m2 - my columns are not listed on the real website, which sub would fit perfectly?
Thank you for reaching out. For use in this size of room we would typically recommend the S/510 as being the best option for pairing with your Pylon Jasper 25 speakers. The S/510 has a faster and more responsive output compared to the T/9x, which will allow it to blend more seamlessly with these speakers while also having plenty of output power for adequately filling this space.
Hi Sir, For marantz avr model 7013., Which REL model is matching sub?
Using Elac F5.2. for main speakers.
Thank you for contacting us. One of our Serie T/x subwoofers will likely be the best match for pairing with your Elac F5.2 speakers in your system, though the ideal pairing will depend on a few additional variables. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net with the model of main loudspeakers which you are using, as well as the dimensions (length, width, height) of your room and we will be happy to provide a pairing recommendation specific to your system.
Can you tell me which which subs would pair well with Atlantic Technology 8600 speakers in a 2500 cubic feet room?
Thank you for reaching out. For a subwoofer pairing recommendation specific to your system, please write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to help.
I'm wondering if it would be worth pairing the S510 with Focal 301's? I'm limited by floor space but looking to get the best out of the 301's. Or would a T9x be the limit for these? My room is 6m2 x 4m off an open plan dining room then kitchen. Mixture of music/movies. Thanks!
Thank you for reaching out. In our experience the T/9x will be the more proportional match for pairing with your Focal 301 speakers, though if you want deeper extension or occasionally listen to your system at higher output levels then the S/510 can also pair well with these speakers and perform well in this room size as long as you are careful with the Level control setting.
@@RELAcoustics Thanks for the advice! I guess I'll never be able to make the 301's sound like Kantas, but worth a try!
I am very interesting with the suggestion of the speaker partner. But I am getting lost on the website. Is there any short cut with the article for me? many thanks.
Thank you for reaching out, and we are always happy to assist with providing a subwoofer pairing recommendation. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to provide a pairing recommendation specific to your system. In your email, please include the model of main loudspeakers which you are using, the dimensions (length, width, height) of your listening room, and the model of amplifier which you are currently using to power your main loudspeakers.
Can you advise which REL will pair with B&W 702S3? Your portal says T9X with 702S2 but 702S3 is much better, newer and improved. Thanks
Thank you for reaching out. While it appears that B&W made several improvements with the design of the 702 S3, the T/9x will still be the best subwoofer match for these speakers when used in an average/medium sized room.
If you have any additional questions about subwoofer pairing for your system then feel free to write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to assist.
@@RELAcoustics thanks for the response. I have a L shaped room. The main area where audio gear will go is just under 400sq ft but the other open area is also around the same sq ft so combined would be considered large room > 400 sq ft but under 800 sq ft. Are you still recommending T9X? Or would S510 will be a better pairing? This will be mixed listening music and theatre.
@@tagtag-connected5263 Since your system is set up in an uneven shaped room, you will get improved performance by running a stereo pair of T/9xs rather than a single S/510. Using a stereo pair of subwoofers will help the sub-bass output to be more balanced and even throughout your room, with fewer peaks or dips in the bass response.
If you wish to move up in size to the S/510, then in this room it will be best to eventually add a second matching subwoofer to complete the stereo pair.
Atc scm 19v2. Best pair of which sub? For stereo. Room 300 sqft
Thank you for reaching out. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net with a brief description of your room and equipment and we will be happy to provide a subwoofer pairing recommendation for your system.
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Do REL subs pair well with Magnepan electrostats?
We have had excellent experience with pairing our subwoofers with a variety of Magnepan speaker models. For a subwoofer pairing recommendation specific to your system, please write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to assist. In our email, please include the specific model of Magnepan speakers which you are using, the dimensions (length, width, height) of your listening room, and if this system is used primarily for 2-channel music or home theater listening.
How about mixing John? I went up from your site’s recommendation and purchased a Carbon Special, not having the room for a stereo pair (or the budget frankly) but wanting to create your 3D effect, I purchase a T9/x for rear fill, and a Tzero mkii for my center. I now find myself working hard to tune them all in concert with each other. Did I create my own problem trying to be space conscious first? Or am I on my way to harmonious discovery?
I think for the 3D effect you need the same sub on each of the channels. Kinda expensive in my opinion as the rear channels don’t do as much as the LCRs
For traditional stereo pairs of subwoofers it is best for both units to be the same matching model, though for a REL-3D home theater system you can certainly mix different models, and the units which you described and their channel assignment should work fine. One thing that can help when tuning a REL-3D system is to set your AVR so that each subwoofer can be tuned individually, meaning to set it so that only the front left and right channels are producing output, then set so only center channel is producing output, and then so that only the rear left and right channels are producing signal. This helps to compartmentalize the process, and makes it easier to hear how each subwoofer is interacting with the corresponding main loudspeaker(s).
If you continue to experience issues with tuning your REL-3D system, then feel free to write in to contactus@rel.net and we will be happy to provide additional direct assistance.
@@CanadaSocial appreciate the advice Michael!
@@CanadaSocial In REL 3D the front and left subwoofers should match, but the units for the center and rear channels are determined by what speakers you're using for those as well as your room size. The rear and center channel subwoofers used are generally smaller units. For example if your main subs are S/812s, a T/9x would be the appropriate center channel subwoofer in many cases.
@@RELAcoustics agreed, but if you are using full range speakers for all channels and we have say 812s in the front and T9xs at the back are we not creating an environment where subs are not running at the same speed.
Two t9x or one s510?
The ideal choice will depend greatly on the size of your room, and more importantly the model of main loudspeakers that you are using. When you have a chance, please write in to contactus@rel.net with this information and we will be happy to assist.
What is the power consumption of the S/510, please?
Thank you for reaching out. The amplifier found in the S/510 is rated at 500 watts RMS. The subwoofer will draw 0.5 watts when set to standby, and will draw 22 watts when idle meaning fully powered on but not producing any signal. During use, the power draw of the subwoofer will be variable depending on the material that you are listening to and how loud the subwoofer is running.
@@RELAcoustics Thank you.