You left out one important detail about Tom Bombadil, namely that the ring has absolutely no effect or power over him. He is arguably the most powerful being still in Middle Earth behind Sauron himself yet the ring is completely powerless to corrupt him. I personally believe he is an avatar of Eru but that's just a theory.
I would say that even a mere cameo featuring Glorfindel would have been better than nothing. Glorfindel has a truly epic history. There's not many Elves who on dying, almost immediately are sent back out into the world. Like Gandalf, Glorfindel dies fighting and killing a "Balrog Of Morgoth" TM (Needs to be spoken like in the film lol). The terror Glorfindel caused in the Ringwraith ranks on the banks of the Bruinen is also pretty epic.
Well "technically" he is in the movie, I guess. The actor behind Elrond at Aragorn's coronation said he was told his character's name was Glorfindel. ＼（〇_ｏ）／ I think Glorfindel is one of the coolest characters there is. But there are some challenges with his second playthru. He has been there in ME for several thousand years, so you would think he would have a huge impact. I mean in 99% of the big events while he is in middle earth... he is a no show. He is barely mentioned at all. It's honestly hard for me to make sense of all that. What do you think? What am I missing here?
Love your list. My big thing is that the movies left out ALL of Frodo’s best moments, turned him into a weenie, then added him being cruel to Sam and murdering Gollum. In the books he strikes at the Nazgûl at Amon Hen, defies them again and tells them they shall have neither the Ring nor him at the River’s edge, genuinely fights orcs in Moria, has a powerful yet pathos-filled meeting with Faramir, marches down to meet Shelob in the darkness, and is always glad for Sam’s company. The films are great to Sam, Theoden, even Boromir, but I think they totally messed up my Hobbit Frodo. Sila elenn lumen omentielvo, Mellon 👋🏻👍🏻‼
Not something that was left out, but rather added.. the part where Frodo tells Sam to go home always bothered me. It's such a huge change to their relationship and just unnessecary drama if you ask me.
So many things that were added annoy me more than what was cut. Like Sam being sent away, Faramir being a jerk, Eowyn being unable to cook, Aragorn going through a teenage rebellion against his destiny at 87, the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff, Denethor being... Whatever that was.
This was a great list (except that I think the Scouring of the Shire should be higher up) and this Lego game you were playing behind it looks quite interesting. I might get it and try to play it at some point
Happy Sunday! The Lego game is just called Lego Lord of the Rings. Note it's 100% based on the movies and you basically just play through all 3 movies from start to finish. Not sure its a "good" game, but incredibly charming and funny. For some reason, I always struggled with the Scouring of the Shire. I know people really like that ending and feel it's important... and I agree... but when I read the books I find I just dont always read that part for some reason. Not sure why?
@@thegreyhavens167I would bet a part of it is the fact that it’s much lower stakes than the rest of the book. This is intentional and part of why it’s so important, but still it’s not nearly as awesome as the great battles and adventures
@@thegreyhavens167imho Tolkien wrote it to show how much our four merry hobbits had changed through their journey. From hapless, frightful beings to beacons of courage, but somewhat hardened. But I get you, to me it also felt like lower stakes. Only later I realised the stakes are those of personal growth. If you go off to war, you can become courageous and righteous, but could also become cruel and hardened to suffering. And I believe that’s what Tolkien might have wanted to show here.
I agree with the majority of your list. However, I agree with Peter Jackson’s choice to take out Tom. Unfortunately, he doesn’t move the narrative forward. Neither does farmer maggot. So he references these characters. However, he didn’t time at all.
For me, Scouring and a bit more emphasis on getting the daggers are priority and could've easily been there. On the movies when the hobbits meet with Aragorn and flee the Nazgul, they go to that Stonehenge thing, Aragorn gives them each a dagger. I could understand leaving the scene with the barrow wight (specially because of Tommy B, more on that later), but they could've somehow used that scene and given some emphasis that the daggers Aragorn gives them were mighty weapons forged by the greatest blacksmiths specifically to fight the dark forces, old or something like that, you get it. (yeah, it'd completely change the concept, but would give the movies a chance to better explain the Witch King's death instead of showing it as a silly technicality that seemed like a joke). And, you said it yourself, Tommy B is pretty hard to film, the great majority of audiences wouldn't understand how he's not really a "character" part of the story. He's like a 'concept', out the story's reality. Loving your vids, binge watching.
Nice! Thanks for the great comment. Glad your liking the vids... I am having a ton of fun making them! Yeah I'm not 100% sure what the best answer is to Merry's Barrow Blade. Just ignoring it (as the films do) totally works but it leaves out one of the coolest little parts of the book. I love that idea of some ancient smith making that dagger, and beyond hope his hard work finally pays off. :) Any chance they could have still done the Barrow Wight scene, but they save themself somehow? i get what you mean about the Scouring of the Shire. TBH honest I don't love it quite as much as most, but it's def an important part of the book narrative. For some reason, it always angers me that Elrond and Gandalf and Aragorn just let that happen. 🙄 But wow... Saruman's death... just one of the most amazing small scenes. One of my favorites.
I've always said Sam is the true hero of the story. Not only does he resist the rings temptation but he straight hands it back to frodo and he carries him up the mountain after everything frodo did to him. Sam is a boss
Tom Bombadill isn't unfilmable. It just requires departing from the standard film dramaturgy of the early 2000:ies. Somebody would have knocked Peter Jackson by the head.
How was Sauron planning to conquer Middle Earth with an army of vampires ? Imagine they won at Minas Tirith. Then what, how does he move his armies west - they march during the night and sleep in a million tents during the day in the middle of the forest ? Even if guarded by trolls the army could be easily slain during the day with the help of a bit of creativity. My guess is Sauron can't wait God knows how long for that volcanic cloud to spread to the Shire for example so that Orcs can finally attack. I'm probably missing something which is why I'm asking this. Also Sam The Terraformer is funny.
🤣 Sam the Master Gardener... hilarious. But also weirdly kinda terrifying in a way. I mean Sam is basically an unstoppable terminator. Your right about the orcs. It's hard to understand how exactly that would all work out. They have a SERIOUS weakness. But note that Sauron's main power was actually just humans. Yep, something like 60% of his army was made up of men from the Harad and Rhun. In those lands they worshipped Sauron/Morgoth as a god of evil and he could raise very large armies. (Note in the Rings of Power TV show, that's exactly what the orcs did... created a huge tunnel with tents overtop to move around)
@@thegreyhavens167 Thanks for both your answers (I'm the same guy who asked if you prefer movie Moria or book). Master Gardener is hilarious lol, I even took a screenshot of this so I don't forget it in the future. I do see him as an Unstoppable Terminator. If he wore the ring he would spray a ton of pesticides on his longbottom leaf crops, effectively erasing millions of bugs which would earn him the title of Master Terminator. I see him with his half-evil grin especially once they get to the modern tech era with the tractors spraying fertilizer and pesticides like there's no tomorrow. Strange Tolkien didn't answer the question. My guess would be that maybe when Sauron is reunited with the ring maybe he can speed thing up significantly with the volcanic cloud. A bit like the Night King creating these storms except it's a spread of volcanic ash or seriously strong winds that will help it spread even faster, after he makes the volcano erupt again to generate more ash. I'm guessing if he's reunited with the ring then he HAS to gain some significant magical power from this. It has to act as an upgrade to his powers.
I might sound a bit stupid for asking this but, where can i find the extended cuts, i see they are on HBO max, i dont have it, or i can pay to have it on amazon prime video. I just want to hear if there are any other places to watch it as im not a fan of spending money for one thing
Yeah, I agree. That's exactly what I personally think. We get some gods that chose to come to the earth that were not part of the Valar's team... like Ungoliant. My gut call is that Tommy B was here before the Valar came to build the world for men and elves. He is generally "outside" the main storyline of the Valar and Melkor and elves and men. Just my personal view. How do you see it?
@thegreyhavens167 Eru was from the void but he had the Flame Imperishable 🔥.. He probably had knowledge of other beings and probably other worlds. He had the knowledge to create beings and civilizations. The Ainur had knowledge that you would normally develop on a linear progression. The had knowledge of weaponry, artistry and culture. Blacksmithing is something they had foreknowledge of. I think the void had many different intelligence beings in it. Even the nameless ones in the deep had probably snuck in. Eru banished Morgoth into the Void meaning that he probably his still exists. Sorry that my composition is kinda rambling. But on a final note, I think that the Silmarillion holds some more answers. That book goes into greater detail about the lore. Been many years since I have read these books. Have you read the Lyonese trilogy by Jack Vance?
I love that scene with Sam. It's one of my favorite little moments. He is such an anchor for friendship, humility, and just being a solid human. What a legend!
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Sam not realizing he was tempted and just shrugging it off really adds to the wholesome gigachad energy of his.
You left out one important detail about Tom Bombadil, namely that the ring has absolutely no effect or power over him. He is arguably the most powerful being still in Middle Earth behind Sauron himself yet the ring is completely powerless to corrupt him.
I personally believe he is an avatar of Eru but that's just a theory.
I vote Glorfindel
AGREE! This elf rocks up, basically saves the hobbits and can take the Nazgûl on his own as long as it’s not all 9 together!
I would say that even a mere cameo featuring Glorfindel would have been better than nothing. Glorfindel has a truly epic history. There's not many Elves who on dying, almost immediately are sent back out into the world. Like Gandalf, Glorfindel dies fighting and killing a "Balrog Of Morgoth" TM (Needs to be spoken like in the film lol). The terror Glorfindel caused in the Ringwraith ranks on the banks of the Bruinen is also pretty epic.
Well "technically" he is in the movie, I guess. The actor behind Elrond at Aragorn's coronation said he was told his character's name was Glorfindel. ＼（〇_ｏ）／
I think Glorfindel is one of the coolest characters there is. But there are some challenges with his second playthru. He has been there in ME for several thousand years, so you would think he would have a huge impact. I mean in 99% of the big events while he is in middle earth... he is a no show. He is barely mentioned at all. It's honestly hard for me to make sense of all that.
What do you think? What am I missing here?
@@thegreyhavens167 Nothing that I can think of. Most non readers wouldn't have a clue even if he had been named.
@@thegreyhavens167 At least he was playable in the Battle for Middle Earth 2 game :)
Love your list. My big thing is that the movies left out ALL of Frodo’s best moments, turned him into a weenie, then added him being cruel to Sam and murdering Gollum. In the books he strikes at the Nazgûl at Amon Hen, defies them again and tells them they shall have neither the Ring nor him at the River’s edge, genuinely fights orcs in Moria, has a powerful yet pathos-filled meeting with Faramir, marches down to meet Shelob in the darkness, and is always glad for Sam’s company. The films are great to Sam, Theoden, even Boromir, but I think they totally messed up my Hobbit Frodo. Sila elenn lumen omentielvo, Mellon 👋🏻👍🏻‼
Despite the scouring of the Shire it was STILL Wormtongue who killed him. I have a strong appreciation for Grima the betrayer double crossing Saruman.
Not something that was left out, but rather added.. the part where Frodo tells Sam to go home always bothered me. It's such a huge change to their relationship and just unnessecary drama if you ask me.
So many things that were added annoy me more than what was cut. Like Sam being sent away, Faramir being a jerk, Eowyn being unable to cook, Aragorn going through a teenage rebellion against his destiny at 87, the Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff, Denethor being... Whatever that was.
This was a great list (except that I think the Scouring of the Shire should be higher up) and this Lego game you were playing behind it looks quite interesting. I might get it and try to play it at some point
Happy Sunday! The Lego game is just called Lego Lord of the Rings. Note it's 100% based on the movies and you basically just play through all 3 movies from start to finish. Not sure its a "good" game, but incredibly charming and funny.
For some reason, I always struggled with the Scouring of the Shire. I know people really like that ending and feel it's important... and I agree... but when I read the books I find I just dont always read that part for some reason. Not sure why?
@@thegreyhavens167I would bet a part of it is the fact that it’s much lower stakes than the rest of the book. This is intentional and part of why it’s so important, but still it’s not nearly as awesome as the great battles and adventures
@@thegreyhavens167imho Tolkien wrote it to show how much our four merry hobbits had changed through their journey. From hapless, frightful beings to beacons of courage, but somewhat hardened.
But I get you, to me it also felt like lower stakes. Only later I realised the stakes are those of personal growth. If you go off to war, you can become courageous and righteous, but could also become cruel and hardened to suffering. And I believe that’s what Tolkien might have wanted to show here.
I agree with the majority of your list. However, I agree with Peter Jackson’s choice to take out Tom. Unfortunately, he doesn’t move the narrative forward. Neither does farmer maggot. So he references these characters. However, he didn’t time at all.
I think Tom bombadil would have been very difficult to adapt and keep the tone of the film.
loved this list and youre delivery style :)
Thanks Euan, I appreciate it. Glad you liked it.
For me, Scouring and a bit more emphasis on getting the daggers are priority and could've easily been there. On the movies when the hobbits meet with Aragorn and flee the Nazgul, they go to that Stonehenge thing, Aragorn gives them each a dagger. I could understand leaving the scene with the barrow wight (specially because of Tommy B, more on that later), but they could've somehow used that scene and given some emphasis that the daggers Aragorn gives them were mighty weapons forged by the greatest blacksmiths specifically to fight the dark forces, old or something like that, you get it. (yeah, it'd completely change the concept, but would give the movies a chance to better explain the Witch King's death instead of showing it as a silly technicality that seemed like a joke).
And, you said it yourself, Tommy B is pretty hard to film, the great majority of audiences wouldn't understand how he's not really a "character" part of the story. He's like a 'concept', out the story's reality.
Loving your vids, binge watching.
Nice! Thanks for the great comment. Glad your liking the vids... I am having a ton of fun making them!
Yeah I'm not 100% sure what the best answer is to Merry's Barrow Blade. Just ignoring it (as the films do) totally works but it leaves out one of the coolest little parts of the book. I love that idea of some ancient smith making that dagger, and beyond hope his hard work finally pays off. :) Any chance they could have still done the Barrow Wight scene, but they save themself somehow?
i get what you mean about the Scouring of the Shire. TBH honest I don't love it quite as much as most, but it's def an important part of the book narrative. For some reason, it always angers me that Elrond and Gandalf and Aragorn just let that happen. 🙄 But wow... Saruman's death... just one of the most amazing small scenes. One of my favorites.
I've always said Sam is the true hero of the story. Not only does he resist the rings temptation but he straight hands it back to frodo and he carries him up the mountain after everything frodo did to him. Sam is a boss
Tom Bombadill isn't unfilmable. It just requires departing from the standard film dramaturgy of the early 2000:ies. Somebody would have knocked Peter Jackson by the head.
Dol Amroth 😢
How was Sauron planning to conquer Middle Earth with an army of vampires ? Imagine they won at Minas Tirith. Then what, how does he move his armies west - they march during the night and sleep in a million tents during the day in the middle of the forest ? Even if guarded by trolls the army could be easily slain during the day with the help of a bit of creativity. My guess is Sauron can't wait God knows how long for that volcanic cloud to spread to the Shire for example so that Orcs can finally attack. I'm probably missing something which is why I'm asking this.
Also Sam The Terraformer is funny.
🤣 Sam the Master Gardener... hilarious. But also weirdly kinda terrifying in a way. I mean Sam is basically an unstoppable terminator.
Your right about the orcs. It's hard to understand how exactly that would all work out. They have a SERIOUS weakness. But note that Sauron's main power was actually just humans. Yep, something like 60% of his army was made up of men from the Harad and Rhun. In those lands they worshipped Sauron/Morgoth as a god of evil and he could raise very large armies.
(Note in the Rings of Power TV show, that's exactly what the orcs did... created a huge tunnel with tents overtop to move around)
@@thegreyhavens167 Thanks for both your answers (I'm the same guy who asked if you prefer movie Moria or book).
Master Gardener is hilarious lol, I even took a screenshot of this so I don't forget it in the future.
I do see him as an Unstoppable Terminator. If he wore the ring he would spray a ton of pesticides on his longbottom leaf crops, effectively erasing millions of bugs which would earn him the title of Master Terminator. I see him with his half-evil grin especially once they get to the modern tech era with the tractors spraying fertilizer and pesticides like there's no tomorrow.
Strange Tolkien didn't answer the question. My guess would be that maybe when Sauron is reunited with the ring maybe he can speed thing up significantly with the volcanic cloud. A bit like the Night King creating these storms except it's a spread of volcanic ash or seriously strong winds that will help it spread even faster, after he makes the volcano erupt again to generate more ash. I'm guessing if he's reunited with the ring then he HAS to gain some significant magical power from this. It has to act as an upgrade to his powers.
Great list. People read the books.
Tom and Goldberry should be number 1.
Druédan?
I might sound a bit stupid for asking this but, where can i find the extended cuts, i see they are on HBO max, i dont have it, or i can pay to have it on amazon prime video. I just want to hear if there are any other places to watch it as im not a fan of spending money for one thing
You could purchase them on DVD, Blu-Ray, or 4K which would be slightly more expensive than Prime but you could actually own them yourself
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Could Tom Bombadil have come from the void like Ungulant?
Yeah, I agree. That's exactly what I personally think.
We get some gods that chose to come to the earth that were not part of the Valar's team... like Ungoliant. My gut call is that Tommy B was here before the Valar came to build the world for men and elves. He is generally "outside" the main storyline of the Valar and Melkor and elves and men. Just my personal view.
How do you see it?
@thegreyhavens167 Eru was from the void but he had the Flame Imperishable 🔥.. He probably had knowledge of other beings and probably other worlds. He had the knowledge to create beings and civilizations. The Ainur had knowledge that you would normally develop on a linear progression. The had knowledge of weaponry, artistry and culture. Blacksmithing is something they had foreknowledge of. I think the void had many different intelligence beings in it. Even the nameless ones in the deep had probably snuck in. Eru banished Morgoth into the Void meaning that he probably his still exists. Sorry that my composition is kinda rambling. But on a final note, I think that the Silmarillion holds some more answers. That book goes into greater detail about the lore. Been many years since I have read these books. Have you read the Lyonese trilogy by Jack Vance?
Goldberry lol
Isn’t Tom bombadil like… god of nature?
Spoiler: I’m sorry that I am not sorry.
Samwise the master gardener is the ultimate hero
I love that scene with Sam. It's one of my favorite little moments. He is such an anchor for friendship, humility, and just being a solid human. What a legend!
What is left out of the movies is Denethor having a Palantir, it should explain his behaviour a little more..
The request for a cut of Galadriel's hair by Gimli.
Epic!
Thanks