Using The New Rotary Rake - KUHN GA 4230 T
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2021
- I try out the new KUHN rotary rake!
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How Farms Work by Ryan Kuster is a RUclips channel based in rural Potosi, Wisconsin. Our mission is to teach those who didn't grow up on a farm what the farming life is like. These videos show the Kuster family working together raising cattle and crops. We believe everyone who wants to know more about farming should be able to share the farming experience with us and we look to educate the world on many essential agriculture topics.
How Farms Work takes place on ~1,100 acres with around 75-200 cattle at any given time. Four John Deere tractors are currently used on the farm, which are a 4020, 4640, 7600, and 8235R.
Been using a Kuhn rotary rake for 15 years, no major issues with it. Great product 👍
i have the same rake in a krone. I have found if you drop the rpms some and move up a gear things go a lot smoother. Will cut drying time greatly .
Love the 4020 getting some work
I definitely agree with you on the weather for making hay and grain crops 100%
Always nice to try new equipment. Great camera work to show just how slick that machine is. The dog could have been anywhere in a nice cool spot but just had to be in the tractor with you. Your best buddy. Love it.
The 4020 doesn´t get old
Fantastic How Farms Work Video, thanks for sharing the Kuhn Rotary Rake
Good explanation on the differences in rakes.
Love watching the machinery!
Thanks for the video Ryan looks like the rotary rake is doing a good job 👍
Congratulations on your engagement again guys. 🙏🙏👍👍🤜🤛🇬🇧🇺🇸
Good looking scenery nothing like cut hay fields from a drone perspective 👍👍👍🇺🇸
We just got a lightly used New Holland ProRotor. Love these new rotary rakes... it gets it all with very few stones, dirt, or dead critters (we have a ground hog and chipmunk problem) and minimum damage to the leaves. We pull ours with our old Massy Ferguson 35 Deluxe. More than enough power for the heaviest crop or the steepest hills (the steepest we make hay on anyway).
Kool rake was really awesome seeing how it works in slow mo hope u end up buying it great job as always u never disappoint
Love them old new Holland rakes!
Looks like the Kuhn is doing a nice job!
love my 3 pnt kuhn rotary. the only new piece of equipment i bought. also have the boogie wheels, they are great.
dogs are the best.
Great awesome video Ryan ,
4020!😍.....and your slow-mo shots are awesome..as always!:)
Great looking hay. I hope you get the rain needed for the grain crops. Sure is beautiful. It will be fun to watch the jcb unload and stack. Great to have the equipment to do the heavy lifting. Idiot blocks suck.
like the slow motion
Loving 4020 videos that’s what I grew up on! Don’t ever get rid of the old girl!
Great machine, regards from Holland 👍
Our ga7302 is a great solution between first and second cut. In first cut, it is able to rake 2 windows and keep them separate, while on the lighter cuts it is able to combine two into one
I raked hay for a coworker that had a dual rotary. Best rake I have ever used. I suggest seeing if you can demo one. I think you guys would like it.
I always raked the first three windows out. Itll give you more room to turn around without driving over the raked rows. The when the headlands are done, rake the windows back out to work yourself out of the field. But everyone does it different.
Like the rake !
Very nice illustration of the Kuhn rake. Watching the rake work in slow motion was really neat. Looks like it does a really nice job.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@HowFarmsWork must have the frame rate set pretty high to get such cool slo mo. Awesome!
Nice demo
Good stuff!!
good video man good job
awsome video ryan the new rotary rake did a good job for its first time use made nice straght lines thumbs up and shared
Like a couple others have said, if you pick up a gear and drop your RPM back it will do an even better job raking. The tractor will burn probably 3/4 the fuel and you will also experience less leaf loss because its not whipping your alfalfa and clover to death. My neighbor has one of these rakes and it beats the heck out of a wheel rake and a bar rake.
With our rotary's I find it works best to start raking where I finished mowing and rake backwards from the way it was mowed with endows being last. That way you almost never drive on hay that was already raked.
In dry alfalfa you want to run a low rpms to prevent those rakes from knocking the leaves off.
Good stuff 🤜🤛
I agree with you Ryan, overpower is underrated 👍🤠🍻
It sure is.👍
Nice vid
Hope you get some rain soon
Strange to see a video out of the 4020's cab, but I approve anyway!
Kids these days will never know the joys of a yr round cab. I remember the one my grandpa had on there 4020 before they took it off one winter when I was a kid I complained to my dad it’s to cold to drive that tractor an his response was you gotta wait for the motor to warm up.
Fun fun fun 🤩
Great to see you finally catching up with how the rest of the world makes hay.(hehehe😜) rotor rakes make the best rows to bale
For making dry hay, you can't beat a rotary rake. I've owned bar rakes, wheel rakes, and now have a Krone rotary rake. Wheel rakes work ok if you don't ted your hay and leave it in a swath until you rake two into the dry space between them. That usually requires more drying days than the weather allows where we are, so I now ted the hay out on day 2 and rake on day 3 and it's pretty much ready.
How we rake with our rotary rake, is start with the outside row and move in and then move the third row closer to the the second one so we have room to turn around for the back and forth ones
Ryan I hope that dry pond is not a precursor. I pray it rains for yawls crops to grow and yield much God bless.
It would get very expensive to have a tractor fitted for every job. Hay looks great!
You can never have too much Horsepower ! Thumbs up !
They are good rake , I use to own one but I traded it in for a double rotary rake, I thought it was a waste of time and diesel raking in and then turn around and work you're way out. When I raked a feild I went around 4 times then I raked up and down, this made it easier on the hay baler driveline and also the operator, and I also believe it cuts down baling time.
I have 2 Claas rotary rake's for small square hay they work very well I would not go back to a wheel rake.
Good afternoon ryan. I hope you get a good tonnage of hay. I've been watching you and travis for a year or so now. You both do a great job of selling the American dream.
Awesome! Thank you!
Do u got any narrow front tractors like an H for example. They do great on them bar rakes.we got 2 bar rakes that we made a dolly type thing to pull both of them at the same time and we knock out all of our acres in to days.We have roughly 250-300 acres in alfalfa and alfalfa grass mix. Love ur videos keep up the great work 👍🏽
We have owned a hay rake just like that for the past few years and we are still impressed with the job it does. So good choice of hayrake’s.
6 rounds around the field, then rake the inside then. Drive over your 5th and 6th row fix at the end. Also move your screen in a hair
been using a 3 point kuhn rake for yrs now,just wish the wheels swiveled like an office chair to make for better turns,
On July 18th, I will be hosting a tractor ride in your area. We will be going past Travis's place, then stopping at Yoder's for lunch than going up old county O then past your place. If you're interested,and not busy, you could get some video of us or even some drone footage of us to add to one of your videos someday. I think it would go great with on of your music videos someday. We should have around 30 tractors.
How do you adjust each individual rake so that they point towards the ground? I have three individual rakes that point straight back and don’t do anything. It seems the arms they are connected to are rotated in a way so that the rakes themselves don’t point downwards.
The 4020 is a good match to that rake😉👍 kuhn equipment works pretty good😁👍 very nice video again👍👍
Thanks 👍
Man I wish I could buy one of these rakes today, but no one seems to have any. Our V rake seems to have tree and fence magnets built into it. We cut and bale with a 5085E cab tractor and rake with a 5065E open station.
Just watched your video on the Rotary rake. What's your honest opinion of the Rotary rake? I am considering buying one myself.
Does that rake have where you can remove all the arms and store them on the machine that way it takes up a lot less shed space. The guys I help sometimes have a Massey Ferguson rotary rake I can’t remember the model of it but the tines come off and store upright also the arm that holds the curtain and the other arm both fold up to. I have ran it once it is nice because it is only 1 hydraulic line and does not only need about 60 horse to run probably would run with 40 horses on it. Easy operating rake I like it.
hey ryan I was just curious, what breed is you dog
Perfect for making grass hay! I can see the leaves flying off the alfalfa. It’s to rough to me.
Run the pto slower and rake when the alfalfa is still a little green and the rotary will loose less leaves than any other rake.
@@Anteater6788 there is no way in hell I’d ever use anything resembling a Tedder. No matter what you do you are going to loose a ton of leaves and that’s a no no in alfalfa. .
I have raked a lot of alfalfa with a rotary rake and if operated correctly they will loose less leaves than any other rake, it's just like you walked along with a pitch fork and flipped the hay over.
We do alfalfa and clover with our New Holland ProRotor... pretty much the same rake as this Kuhn. We think it treats the leaves better than our old bar rake. These don't tumble the grass over and over like a bar rake. You have to see it working to get a good appreciation of how well they work.
I really like our single rotor rake it may not be as quick as a twin rotor or bigger but is it a fraction of the price and as you say on heavy crops you make one pass per windrow or if it is light enough turn and go the opposite way to double it up.
Not the most overpowered I've seen a JD 8 thousand something on a little PZ haybob and a 300hp Fendt on a tiny old idiot block baler
Hey Ryan!!
Hey Darrin! Have a great fourth weekend!
@@HowFarmsWork You too buddy!
I don’t know about you but it’s flooding here in Missouri. It’s that wet here.
The rotary rake may have a narrower swath, but it looks like a very clean sweep. Love the 308 A/C. 1Window/2Doors and 8mph.
Hay, how ya doing?
For some reason, I like watching you raking and baling videos quite a lot. I suppose it is because of all the visible action. (Planting and harvesting mostly occurs out of sight in the machines.)
Glad you like them!
Sorry if i Missed it but was that field tedded. Its hard to tell.
Coll drone footage especially when the Drones's shadow was visible above. Must have been about noon with that shot.
What's was the price
How do the rake tines flip up and down when coming around?
They're on a cam and track system
@@HowFarmsWork yea, I figured it had to be some roller or something. That’s pretty cool
A ton of moving parts LOL:) OL J R :)
what is your favorite vehicle (tractor,combine,truck,skidsteer) that ya'll own
Every farm needs a 4020 Johnny best all around made.
Where do you get your music for drone footage
Free music for creators or he uses an online service that provides a selection of music for a nominal fee... OL J R :)
how are tinges retracted after swath?
Each arm runs in a cam track that rotates them as they revolve past the "release point" OL J R :)
I think it's ok but i like new Holland better great video
Rotary rakes make the cleanest hay as long as you keep the teeth out of the ground.
I agree you can do a small job with a big tractor but you don't want to do a big job with a little tractor.
Does green bunches land on top and dry out in the windrow?
It does a good job at getting the wetter material out and on top.
Yep that's what rakes do... that's why they call it a WINDROW... it piles the hay up into a row that the wind can move through to carry away moisture. I see a lot of guys leaving hay out to roast in the sun a week and then raking right ahead of the baler, but they're TOTALLY missing the point of having a rake. Hay should be raked when it hits about 50% moisture... that's basically WILTED FLAT. When you cut hay, it will still be "fluffy" due to the plant having sufficient internal water to support the cell walls, but as it dries down it "wilts" and flattens out under gravity due to water loss and the cells "deflating" as water comes out of them in the curing process. Hence it "wilts flat". The forage at that point will STILL have a pretty lush green color but will not have the "luster" or shininess of freshly cut forage, since it's drying down. It will still be very limber and soft at that point. That's when the rake it up into windrows. Raking it into windrows minimizes the amount of hay being exposed to DIRECT sunlight, and thus UV rays, which "sunburn" the hay and cause the conversion of carotene in the hay to Vitamin D, which means its irretrievably lost. Cattle make their own Vitamin D in their skin (as we do) and the carotene is a valuable nutrient that can be used many different ways if it's preserved in the forage. Basically raking the hay into a windrow means only the hay on the outside layer is getting fried by the sun, while the hay inside the windrow is up off the ground and exposed to airflow and heat from the sun heating the outer layer of the windrow which speeds drying, as the air coming into the windrow absorbs moisture from the inside and then goes out with the breeze as new air comes in. Hay laying flat on the ground takes longer to dry *IF* the ground is WET or DAMP, than hay in a windrow. That's why they set their mowers to "swath" hay up there usually-- let the ground dry out and then rake it so the hay ends up on dry ground so it dries better. Down here that's not much of a problem usually and sun exposure of UV is the biggest killer of hay quality. SO usually hay is cut and laid out flat here, problem is most guys leave it there til they're ready to bale, and that's too long. We rake 24 hours after cutting, and generally bale 24 hours after that, and have hay at a good dry storage moisture level. We also have a good green color in the dry hay, something TOTALLY LOST in hay left to roast flat on the ground for 4-5 days to a week. You also lose VERY LITTLE leaf when raking at 50% moisture, while waiting til the hay is ready to bale, you lose TONS of leaves, even in grasses which are much tougher than alfalfa, but still MOST of the feed value is in the leaves not stems regardless of whether it's grass, forb, or legume...
Later! OL J R :)
Would a twin rotor rake be not a better investment less time travelling around the field
If you got enough acres and big enough fields sure... and can afford one. They're BIGG $$$$$$... especially when you can get more raking width for less money with a wheel rake... OL J R :)
What are you doing on the 4th of july
I'll be on the boat on the river that day!
The rake is cool but would be cool to see what a Kuhn Merge Maxx 300 would compare to the rakes
It is a Tim the Toolman,there is never overpower. It is much better to have too much power than not enough on the farm. When I was a wee kid in Idaho, we first cut the hay flat,let dry,then went out racked it,then baled it and hauled it in. Now,there are many different ways to process hay. I have seen it cuved,small bale,large bale,large round bale,and supposedly the vest chopped. According to what I have read it is better to chop it,siko it and the hat actually starts to ferment before being feed to the cows.
He ran a merger last year... OL J R :)
Is that a rake, or a Tedder, or both ?
Rake. They made dual use rake/tedders but these only rake IIRC. OL J R :)
We're is Hanna?
Why dont you spread the hay? It would dry much better.
I don’t like to if we don’t have to do so. It’s another time handling the crop and leads to leaf loss on the alfalfa. Grass it’s not so bad
Drop your PTO speed down a tad your throwing the hay a little hard
Why not put the MW turbo kit on the 4020
Why would yea
@@jeremyfreeman717 More horsepower and torque
@@keydanasefa8438 for what.
Why would he? Only going to cost him money for very little benefit. The kit costs money, burns more fuel, and will probably end up pushing that tired old engine to the point of needing a rebuild. And in actual use if you’re really working the tractor with those turbo kits you end up creating a lot more heat and can’t work the machine all day due to overheating issues.
Sounds cool in theory, and for a tractor that is more show and fun rather than a reliable nice handy sized work horse for reasonable tasks.
@@jeremyfreeman717 pulling wagons and mowing and other jobs
Dual rotary Tedder works way better.
Some not alot haha
Kuhn has there rakes going ass backwards . krone is a nicer rake and I have a Kuhn mower and Tedder .
How do you mean backwards?
@@kieranosullivan02 Clockwise rotor instead of counter clockwise.
@@kieranosullivan02 LH delivery instead of RH I guess... OL J R:)
What has become of your "Intern"?
You northern guys have the weirdest ways to rake hay, lol.
Freebie from the company use what they brung ya LOL:) OL J R :)
Sorry guys but I'll still take my high capacity wheel rake all day long. I see no adavantage to this over his side delivery aside from a little more fluffy windrow.
This rake picks up much more material so it leaves less behind.
@@HowFarmsWork I'll buy that Ryan but doesn't it feel slow compared to your high capacity? With good wheels they dont leave much behind. It leaves a nicer windrow hands down. No balling up either. But I like fast.
@@davedunn2124 it’s much slower than the V rake, but that rake isn’t typically suited for first crop because of the density and moisture if it wasn’t tedded.
Reminds me too much of a tedder. Tedders are like measles. You only get them once. Never had a piece of equipment that would break down more frequently than a tedder.
92 hp for raking. Come on.
SO you leave the tractor you got in the shed and go spend $10,000 for a smaller old tractor?? That's brilliant LOL:) OL J R :)
🤔 hmmmm, so I could take a articulating tractor an hook up to the bar rake 😆
Yeah every time I hear that "overpower is underrated" baloney I think "you must not keep track of the fuel your burning LOL:) I mean ya use what you got and the 4020 is the smallest tractor they got, and they only have 3 tractors so yeah you use what you got, but still... You get my meaning LOL:) OL J R :)
@@lukestrawwalker absolutely 👍🏾
Just look at all those leaves being knocked off!
Try slowing down your pto speed and rake when there is still a little dew on the hay.......pay attention to what you are actually doing.
Your windrows look like really crappy compared to your v rakes
Bringing that shroud in helped make more consistent rows, but they were a lot tighter and would dry less. It also doesn't rope like the V-rake does which feeds into the baler better.
@@HowFarmsWork u are running pto to fast
Too fast on the engine speed (PTO speed) and too slow on the ground speed (grab a gear and idle back would solve that) and set the curtain in some to make a tighter windrow...
Like most machinery, the job it does is directly affected by how it's set up and operated-- correct adjustment and operation of the machine will produce good/excellent results, while poor adjustment or incorrect operation will produce substandard results. In the end it all comes down to the OPERATOR and them having the knowledge and EXPERIENCE to set the machine up and operate it properly. Doesn't matter if it's the newest and greatest thing on the planet if it's not set up and run right it's gonna do a substandard job, even compared to an older or well worn piece of machinery that is properly maintained and set and operated right for the conditions. That's what most guys don't get. They buy the BS that "new" automatically means "better" when it really doesn't!
Seeing how Ryan said they've never had any experience with a rotary rake before, I think some mistakes are to be expected. It takes time to get the experience to really set things up right and make adjustments for the conditions to do the best job. There's a learning curve to everything-- nobody's just "great" at something the first time out of the box. Would've helped if the Kuhn guy dropped by when he was going to the field with it and gave him some pointers and setup help right off the bat... That and READ THE MANUAL cover to cover a time or two-- usually there's good hints in there and tells you the "gotchas" to watch for and how to fix them without scratching your head for hours wondering why it's doing this or that. Seen guys talk about this machine or that machine being "junk" because of the "lousy job" it does, when basically they never read the friggin book and had NO CLUE WTF they were doing... same machine in the hands of an EXPERIENCED OPERATOR who adjusted it and ran it properly did a terrific job!
That's been my experience anyway! OL J R :)
This rake is junk!
Why do you say that? It does a better job at grabbing all the hay on the ground and doesn't leave chunks behind like our bar rake.
@@HowFarmsWork Time is money, that rake is a toy. You got the rake for FREE!
@@gregorydayton5428 Time is money, which is why we used both rakes to get the job done in half the time.
They're not "junk", it all depends on the job you're doing and where you're doing it. Europe loves the d#mn things, so do horse hay and dairy guys in the US trying to get top dollar for their hay or maximize milk production or whatever... they claim they put less "ash" (dust and dirt) in the windrow so that equates to higher milk production and brings a premium value on the hay. For the regular beef cattle guy a wheel rake is 'good enough' and does the job for about half the cost of what that rake costs new. That rake is PTO powered, has a gearbox to maintain and which is VERY expensive to repair/replace, TONS of moving parts, and lots of wear items like the cam track and cam followers which don't last forever either. If they ever hit anything you can pretty much write it off because whatever gets bent will never rake right again pretty much, and it'll cost a fortune to rebuild. BUT they do a nice job; probably the most complicated way POSSIBLE to do the same job that any other rake can do, even if they put a little more dirt in the windrow or whatever. That's why they make lots of different rakes-- you can buy the rotary rake, you can buy a new wheel rake, or you can buy a new bar rake. Wheel rakes are the cheapest and widest for the money, though they tend to put more dirt in the windrow, and can have issues in some conditions depending on the design (always better IMHO to have the wheels in front of the frame for that reason). The plus side is they're VERY simple, direct ground driven with no gearboxes or shafts or joints or anything. Bar rakes when set right can make just as clean and fluffy a windrow as a rotary rake, and don't put dirt in the windrow (unfortunately most guys seem to try to use them as a tillage tool, scraping the ground trying to get every single blade of grass in the windrow, which NO rake will do with 100% efficiency). They have more moving parts than a wheel rake but are MUCH more durable than rotary rakes, and MUCH cheaper than rotaries as well. They're not as wide as wheel rake of course unless you get a multi-basket one or a bridge hitch and pull a pair of bar rakes like we do.
SO in the end it basically comes down to 1) what you're raking, 2) what you're intended market/use for the hay is, and 3) personal choice and how much money you want to spend. There is no "one size fits all" in farming. I'd never buy a rotary because a bar or wheel rake will do the job I'm doing much cheaper and simpler with less repairs and cost, but that doesn't mean they don't have a place in someone else's operation. Later! OL J R : )
@@HowFarmsWork Yeah if you were gonna buy anything though, I'd say get a bridge hitch for a few hundred to a couple grand and another used bar rake and do the same job twice as fast for a fraction of the cost, but that's just me. I know this rotary is out there as a freebie demo for them to get some free advertising on it... Later! OL J R :)