Local Control Smart Home at CES 2024: Privacy Matters!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- I just got back from CES 2024 and I'm excited about how the Matter standard, privacy, and local control are becoming increasingly important. #reolink #aqara #govee #shelly
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00:00 Introduction
00:16 Reolink
01:36 Aqara
02:42 Govee
03:29 Shelly 
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this is incredibly encouraging. People like you who are educating both consumers and suppliers on why this is important are doing an important service to humanity. This is really important stuff and we have to change the mindset of consumers and suppliers. Thanks TheHookUp!
Thanks for covering this. Doesn’t look like privacy is flashy enough to get a lot of media coverage so I appreciate you filling the gap.
Cannot wait for more of this locally controlled content!
This is great to hear.
I've been holding off getting into home automation for years. Might finally be time to dive in!
thank you for covering and promoting local only devices! So important in a world full of subscription based cloud bs.
So now it looks like it's time to get my other systems in line with my other moves over the last 1-2 years... So glad to see more folks ready for local control of our protection.
Love to see Aqara making the privacy/local control play.
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Wish Shelly would use 12ga wiring used in most modern switches in US.
Even without all of the privacy issues, local control is more responsive and reliable. Its a no brainer
Thank you for all of your work covering the local and privacy perspective. Your voice is helping to shape the industry for the better!
Local control is everything 💯💯💯💯💯
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Im so happy to see this as i just bought reolink and aqara stuff last week
Please do Home Assistant from Scratch 2024 version!
I've thought about it many many times, but what hardware? VM? HA Yellow? HA Green? Raspi4? Something Else?
@@TheHookUp RaspberryPi4/5
I guess it could be worth trying RasPi again. Back in the day I thought it was by far the worst installation method.
@@TheHookUp Now that you mentioned the options, it makes it difficult to pick if you are thinking of the bigger audience. Personally, I would like to see a VM install or Docker on unraid but for the masses, I think it would be Yellow/Green/Raspi4 imo. Either way, I think it will still be helpful specially if you will tackle the essentials, must have's, best practices, and more!
VM HAOS
Great coverage and you got right into it, you’re the man!
I changed internet suppliers and had no internet for a day. Some of the devices suffered, those will be going, and will be replaced with ones that can work locally.😊
Thanks Rob.
very exiting news for my cloudless smart home! thanks for sharing that!
This is a subject near and dear. Looking forward to far more coverage!!! Instant Sub!
I agree with the others and you, this is very encouraging. Great video as always!
Very good and cool overview. Would love to learn more about aquara m3 hub and other new cameras and devices. Even govee lights
Thank you for focusing on local control. I really appreciate your videos, your ideas and implementations have inspired me and allowed me to add devices and automations that have made it easier for my aging mother to control her house without having to traverse steps to turn on lights, secure the house for the night or to give the house a "somebody is home" look when she is away. Originally she poo poo'ed the idea of adding smart devices however as I have completed more integrations and made it seamless for her she adapted really quickly.
Definitely looking forward to the local storage video cameras.
I have several Shelly devices around the house the biggest problem I have is trying to get them to hook up to the network in the initial setup,and then I've had a few of them fail over time, but mostly they are good
Thanks for the update :)
I've purposefully not got into home automation until now because of the low availability of devices with local control.
I've started off as gently as I could with the Athom wall plug's that come pre-flashed with ESPHome. I like how Shelley have updated their lineup so I'm probably going to be using their products to control my lighting (Dimming 0-10V LED drivers and such). Ideally I want ALL my devices to be entirely cloud-free and using open protocols, I'm not massively into security or anything, I just would like to own all the aspects of my device not just the hardware. After all, enough people have been stung by proprietary cloud services and protocols being dumped by their manufacturers.
Fantastic news!
I think I really want to change my Ring setup for the Reolink using that hub for local recording. So I can't wait for your reviews.
hope matter goes to more and more devices soon.
From what I can tell Matter implementation seems like a must have for most companies or they risk being left behind entirely.
@@TheHookUp I hope you are right! My other fear is that Matter is being implemented with the minimum features necessary to claim it supports Matter just to get that tag. I recently bought the Aqara U100 smart lock and I've been disappointed that the Matter implementation exposes only lock status and the open/close command. All configuration of the lock, along with information such as who/how the lock was opened appears to only be in their app, and not exposed to Matter/Home Assistant.
@@AdamSkobel I'm hoping that's more to do with limitations of the early Matter protocol rather than unwillingness for companies to expose full feature sets. Homekit has similar issues with still needing the manufacturer app for the full feature set, but it's due to the limited options available to developers in Homekit.
I'd love to see a video for a starter's guide to a locally-controlled smart home!
Include tips/recommendations for a video doorbell, Nest-like thermostat, basic security, some lighting control, etc. Also wondering about the importance of Matter in this scenario.
Good more smart home vids to come. Thought you were going to turn into a projector channel. Only half kidding 😉
❤I hope the aqara will be reasonably priced. I know Govee is nice but it is expensive for the average person.
Oh wow. So happy to see Aqara focusing on privacy *and* multi-manufacturer compatibility through Matter. They've come a long way from their original proprietary zigbee devices that most of us got to work anyway, albeit not well. ;)
I bought their camera hub so I could get full functionality out of their newest presence sensor, but was unhappy to see that it still requires the Internet for multiple functions that really shouldn't need it. I was intrigued by the gestures to trigger automations and the ability to back up to my Blue Iris PC without pulling the SD card, but alas, OTA backups still need an Internet connection and it only works with default NAS devices from what I can tell, but I figure there might be workarounds I haven't dived into yet. Still, onvif or rtsp would have been nice. ;)
This was a long time coming. After I got given an Echo DOT I bought a "smart home" outlet and was horrified to see how it worked. (I have a CS degree and 40 years experience, including large scale networks and camera systems). The lack of true security was staggering, so I set up my devices in "stupid" mode where they were effectively just fancy timers. That was five years ago; every once in a while I check the market to see if it has improved. Looks like it may finally be happening.
I should add my own mid century modern home is completely wired up now, when I'm away my wife says its like my ghost is home controlling the house when certain actions are done "automagically". Its so much nicer to have the house setup for the way we use it. This year was the first year I put permanent outdoor lights underneath the eaves of my home. I cannot say how lovely it is to be able to set both holiday moods or casually change the external mood of the house on demand. I love the future.
I think alot of companies pushing the cloud only strategy see that the locally controlling users are a tiny fraction of the customers (because it takes alot more work to setup) and hence a very small potential amount of profit. What they miss (which is really critical) is that that small group are who gets asked for advice from the more common users. The advanced local control users are also often the ones that build up a complete solution that inspires other people to try their hand at automating their house.
Please do a video testing hidden camera detectors. Maybe include mic / transistor detection as well.
Looking forward to the review videos. CES seems to have been a great show this year?
Yeah, CES felt great this year, like tech and innovation was finally back from COVID.
Any recommendations for a basic security system that doesnt call out to police? I just want something to monitor door or window sensors. Sound a local alarm at night. I use reolink for cameras, I wish they would release something. I havent looked into matter yet.
I don't know what pull you have with Aqara. My biggest grip about all things smart home: make it invisible. I don't want devices stuck to my walls all over the place. Make it where it works in a standard single or double gang wallbox with in-wall power, or PoE. Poe would be preferred.
Can you please do a review on temperature controllers? Like the Inkbird ones.....we can't find a good one that does 1,500 watts and wifi. Great channel BTW.
Are the new aqara smart plugs for the US only or will their be UK and EU versions as well
I just wish Reolink started to come out with Homekit accessable sensors to automate based on detection
I have seen that the Groview jq818c projector is always listed as the best under 200 euros. Living in Spain, would it be a good purchase or can it not be used due to voltage differences?
I'd love to see you to test the Aqara's privacy claims. I very much like their products and think what you've said. They seems to really understand what people want in smart homes and delivers it. In a great yet simple design and even greater price point. I just don't trust them at all :-)
I will definitely do that. Trust but verify.
The Aqara Magic Knob v1 at 2:40 looks super cool, but I could not find any details about it. Is there any information on when it might be released in North America?
From what I understand it is basically just a thermostat at this point, but they are looking into other uses for it, at which point it may see a NA release.
At 1:30 is that a Reolink Doorbell Gen2 of sorts? Or is it just a new battery version?
Just a battery version as far as I can tell.
Where do you find setup.or these devices. I have the aqara fp2 sensor and can only setup motion. The presence sensors don't shower up in Alexa.
Through the Aqara app.
0:35 are these out now? Oh, what is the name of this model?
Finally a wired smart home sensor. I have been wanting this for years because changing batteries all over the house is a terrible experience.
Hopefully in the coming years not only will more companies come out with these but we will also see some poe versions that can be powered that way and use it for wired communication rather than wifi n like every smart home device uses.
Fantastic, make privacy great again
No, make America great again !
I have NEVER bought any cloud-based product... Blue Iris was and is my fave system for home security. I do like the Shelley stuff but I don't have a lot of it deployed... yet.
If you were setting up a new camera system today would you go all Reolink environment including NVR or something else that works with Frigate or Blue Iris? Always appreciate your content,.
I think a better question is if I were setting up a camera for a family member, would I choose Reolink or Blue Iris/Frigate and the answer is 100% Reolink. I'm willing and able to tinker and troubleshoot my own system, I would never setup BI/Frigate for someone who couldn't troubleshoot on their own. A Reolink NVR is the "Set it and forget it" solution.
@@TheHookUp Can Reolink cameras be added to a Frigate/Blue Iris system and retain all the same functionality?
I would not recommend them for that use case. You can make them work, but Annke (Hikvision) or EmpireTech (Dahua) cameras will work better.
sounds encouraging but I think independent testing will need to become a thing, also do any support home assistant out of the box?
Home assistant supports matter, yes.
Reolink has an excellent home assistant integration, yes.
M3 Hub will likely work with home assistant well, just like the M2 Hub does.
Any 4k 1/1.2 cameras?
Only readily available one that I know if the EmpireTech Color4K amzn.to/3O6Jc9q
Reolinks new lineup has me wanting to offload my whole eufy setup! I've got about 6 of their products waiting to be setup. But maybe I just have FOMO. Was eufy security even at CES??
Eufy was at one of the private events with their parent company Anker, but they were definitely not focused on the Eufy lineup. Eufy and Soundcore were at one small table, while Solix, Nebula and Anker had much larger booths.
Thx
Are you thinking about building from scratch or keeping certain things?
Personally, I care about local functionality more because I want automations and devices working fast/immediately (no cloud latency) and working well even if there is an Internet issue, and working with everything else (not walled in). The privacy side is just a bonus to me since I add cloud support to Home Assistant as a bonus anyway.
Respect to anyone who has privacy as their number 1 concern though. No shade here. Just saying that's like 4th place on my personal list of reasons to love local functionality.
Aqara, which is funded by the Chinese govt is privacy focused?
What makes you think Aqara is funded by the Chinese government? There is exactly zero indication of that.
I'm waiting for Reolink to work with smart home hubs
Reolink works great with home assistant and can work with Alexa and Google Home if you use the Reolink Cloud.
didn't hear much about zwave protocol. Is that dying?
ZWave and matter/thread are definitely add odds with each other.
@@TheHookUp any reason why zwave couldn't be incorporated into matter in the future? Trying to decide if I should jump ship with all my zwave devices and go wifi or ZigBee...?
Local first no matter what
Damn! So much for being the first comment...
CES 2024
My smarthome is as local as I've been able to make it, using products from the very companies Rob highlighted, but still waiting on YoLink to disconnect from the cloud. Many promises of a local-only solution with no delivery. Anyone else in the LoRa game that is purely local?
I wouldn't expect that any time soon. I believe YoLink was recently acquired by Changhong and have not been profitable for quite some time.
@@TheHookUp That's unfortunate, some of my automations with the highest SAF are built around YoLink. Do you plan to review any LoRa products in the future?
Depends if there are any LoRa products worth reviewing. I basically stopped talking about YoLink once they failed to make a local only solution.
@@TheHookUp Would love to see how something like Aqara sensor would work in an outside environment. I suspect the range of Zigbee or Zwave would work for mine and most backyards especially with a repeat (ie light switch) on the perimeter of the house.
Unfortunate truth is promises for future functionality are mostly worthless. Had 4 devices so far that I was waiting on for them to deliver on their local API promise.
One actually did so I bought one. Two went out of business first so I’d have been left with a paperweight had I bought in. The 4th is yolink.
Privacy! Privacy! Privacy!!!
So the disadvantage of disconnecting a camera from the internet, is that you can't view the cameras when you're not home right?
Correct, most remote viewing solutions leverage cloud servers via P2P. I block all my cameras from the internet and connect back to my local network using a VPN, that way I can still view them remotely, just one extra step required.
@@TheHookUp is there a tutorial or a video about this method on your channel?
@@LTULOfficial Unfortunately it's highly dependent on the type of networking equipment that you use. I run my VPN using my UniFi DreamMachine Pro.
Would love to see a video about this. I am sure plenty of your subscribers are running Ubiquiti/Unifi gear.
how can you be sure reo-link doesnt have access to your local netwaork if their software isnt opensource?
I have my Reolink cameras 100% blocked from the internet, and on their own VLAN and they still function exactly as expected when using them on the LAN and when connecting remotely via a VPN.
To be honest, as much as I love open source software, 99.999999% of users are not able to read through the entire code base including dependencies to determine if a device is secure or has access to more data than it should. The best security policy is zero trust, lock down every device as much as possible without sacrificing critical functionality.
@@TheHookUp do you only use wired cameras?
@@olaf2554 Personally yes.
You didn't hit the Zooz booth? Assuming they had one.... I am just totally against putting IoT devices on WIFI.
Matter over thread is the new thing.
Yeah I'm far more excited about better zwave implementations. Matter is going to end up like zigbee
How so? Matter is heavily regulated like Zwave, but without the walled garden approach of SiLabs.
Reolink have a long way to go before their security and privacy will be trusted again
_Edit: I was mistaken and confused Reolink with Eufy_
Huh? I think you are mistaken. They are the only company that has cameras that consistently work when disconnected from the internet. You can block them with firewall rules, put them on a separate VLAN, and still use the Reolink app locally or via VPN. For people who want the "easy" setup they have a secure P2P server using regional cloud providers like AWS, but they also give the option to completely disable EID and P2P both in their app and web interface.
Edit: Are you maybe confusing them with Eufy?
@@TheHookUp yes I'm mistaken. I was thinking of Eufy. Thank you for the correction. Pleased there are reliable pro-privacy options.
Edit: Happy to have this thread deleted to avoid confusion
Meanwhile they release new products, they android app for the doorbell cannot do custom recordings without massive noise/distortion, their chinese employees cannot test anything on Android phones that are sold in the west like Google Pixel or Samsung phones, they can only test things on chinese phones. They doorbell app is a mess, they should be listening to forums, reddit and feedback passed to them, but they refuse to listen. Last time I tried it was told "their engineering team cannot speak english, and there is nothing they can do about the issues I complained about" so zero feedback taken, zero effort to resolve things. Reolink has a lot to lean. Save yourself the hassle, buy Empiretech cameras that are high-end Dahua cameras.
Curious if you think that the Dahua DMSS app is better than the Reolink app? In my experience Dahua (EmpireTech) cameras are great for blue iris but are basically worthless as a standalone system. Reolink is nice because it is an ecosystem of cameras with a very decent app. I can't comment to the Android app, but it works great on iOS.
Govee lights for gunshots or explosions 2:56
This would be a good gift for my son.
He lives in Chicago [Chirac].
"Local device control..": yay, works on isolated vlan and does not leak privacy.
".. via smartphone app": very not yay. 300 different apps on my phone, all insecure and all phoning home!
Looks like I need local control uncloud app-free devices. Buy them, turn them on, teach them the ssid/psk, give them the IP of the MQTT server, and done. Sigh
Home assistant is what you want. I see the Aqara M3 hub being ideal for people who want privacy, local control, and performance without needing the tech skills to keep home assistant up and running. I have several of those people in my close family/friend group and I imagine it's actually a pretty large market share.
If you want local control, you first need a local control hub!!! They kind of failed to tell us that in 2023 with all the matter devices that came out in 2023...
Like the fake Google Max hub... That did matter and thread but was not matter compliant!!!
Looking forward to more product reviews.
Was liftmaster/chainberlain/myq there to explain why they hate their customers so much?
They were not, also screw MyQ... it always sucked and now sucks even more.
@@TheHookUp 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TheHookUp I just finally got my RATGDO and it is great. I was actually surprised how easy it was to connect to my opener and discover into HA with the ESP home setup.
@@TheHookUpI’d be much more upset about the MyQ changes if my Liftmaster could stay connected to WiFi in the first place 😂