Joke BMW 3 Series or Busso V6 God? Alfa Romeo 155 V6
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2022
- Despite the Alfa 155 winning the British Touring Car Championship, the first versions were underwhelming BUT the facelift wide body cars were much improved and the Busso V6 engine version could always count on the best sounding V6 in the world.. How does the V6 155 drive today? is it a genuine alternative to a BMW e36 325i?
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That V6 Busso is magic. Not many here in Oz. Always looked good. But it should have been rear wheel drive.
A few turned up in Oz via HK (Brian Foley - private imports)
I’ve never seen a 155 on the road. They occasionally pop up in the classifieds but I’ve never seen a V6 listed there.
@@downesy68 they come up for sale every now and again in new zealand
cant say ive ever seen one but i will keep an eye out now
Hard to make it RWD then, as it was based on an FWD Fiat.... decades later, Alfa have developed an RWD platform. But at the time, they couldn't afford that.
I had the 155 when I was going to the Uni. Now, living in Hong Kong for many years (and not having a car) I am thrilled about your video, Jack. There is not a single day on which I don’t miss my old 155. I always loved its look. It had character and it was so much fun. I remember one night after driving back from ski holidays with one of my Uni buddies, I stopped in the middle of a tunnel, pulled all windows. My friend looked and me and asked what I was doing. Then I stepped on the throttle. Next thing he said was “holy s..” and was holding on for what it seemed, judging by the look on his face, his dear life. 😅
I had 2 155’s as company cars. A 1992 red 155 v6 and a very special 1997 metallic purple 155 twin spark with sport pack (it was 1 of the last 2 brand new 155’s remaining in the dealer network). I had the 97 one from brand new and did 122k miles in the 3 years and I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT!!
I’m a big fan of the 155 - especially the later wide body cars. Definitely worth consideration, and a worthy stepping stone between the 75 and the 156.
I test drove one of these and always regretted not buying it. A few years later, I bought the 156 2.5 V6.
Now I drive 5 series, because of the RWD character, but I still miss the ‘Busso’ in my Alfa 90.
Thank you for the video Jack, and thanks for the owner of the beautiful sounding 155.
I owned N182 LAP 20+ years ago and have fond memories of it, so It was a nice surprise (and a bit surreal) seeing it appear in my video recommendations! It was great to see the car again in action, and looking better than ever. Compliments to the current owner.
Busso's just sound beautiful!
Also clocked the Sony joystick controller on the steering column! I had one on my Fiat Uno when few cars had multi function steering wheels and loved it!!
Couldn't agree more Jack, that 155 looks absolutely amazing! I love the boxier look of cars of that era over the bubble cookie cutter cars of today!
Totally agree 😌💯
I had a 1993 1.8 8v series 1 155 back in the mid 90s and loved it,then had a 1999 2.5 24v 156 after,loved that too,the v6 sound is one of the best noises ever,that 155 your in sounds so throaty it’s making me want another one now 😂😂😂
This man understands the appeal of an Alfa: they may be flawed, there may be faster cars, in some way better cars, but very few have that illogical but wonderful appeal that an Alfa has; very few make you smile in that way. Thanks for a great video :-)
@Official_Number27. Thank you, but I wouldn't dream of hitting you up; you seem a nice guy :-)
I had 2 8 valves, 3 16 valves and 2 V6's, loved them all
I love how Alfa went all out with the wedge shape with the 155. It does seem the Tempra platform they used is a bit narrow, which is a bit rectified by the wider track & widebody, but not quite. Still, due to safety regulations, we will never see new wedge shaped cars coming out, so every reason to cherish the ones we have.
Just love it,still had a style of it's own.and a bit less challenging to look at than my beloved and maligned 75 and sounds just as epic.
Alfa = Smiles for miles.
😉 How many other car manufacturers can boast such a transversal love, from the popular to the aristocrat?
I think they still look fabulous, I still just stare admiringly at my 145 after all these years, the styling just makes Alfas stand out.
Love these videos. I remember the 155 winning the Touring Cars with Tarquini behind the wheel. I owned a 156 for a year and loved it. Very dramatic but troublesome, in and out of the garage. Replaced it with a 10 yr old BMW 323i and didn't realise how capable it was until I realised how much faster I was travelling on the same challenging back roads without any drama at all. Add the rock solid build, impeccable quality and no problems in the three years I had it, you can see why the E36 sold so well. I did love the Alfa though. The E36 was impressive but it didn't stir the soul like the Alfa did.
Thanks Giacomo for bringing along another fabulous Busso-engined Alfa!!! I so love the un-loved 155!!
That noise is just glorious
German vehicles : utterly efficient but soulless with reliability problems.
Italian vehicles: reliability problems combined with the joy of using a machine that fills your heart with the knowledge that 'better' isn't always the best. If you don't understand you will not understand.
Soulless with reliability problems ?
My 250 000 miles E36 321hp M3 sedan salutes you...
I've had a 156 GTA before, and the Busso can't even begin to compare to the S50B32. The Busso, eventhough a nice engine, has absolutly no top end, is slow to rev and the gear box does not work with it. Meanwhile the M3 still keeps up to modern cars and the engine is virtually bullet proof. And nowhere as expensive in maintenance.
@@gabspopo2300 I had a BMW R80/7 motorcycle, I rode on average 1000miles a week. It was an utter horror for four months until it shat it's crankshaft and I fucked it off. My father had a BMW 2000 in 1972. In three years it did about 70k miles but had the cylinder head off twice for valves and head gasket. VW Golf MK2 , cylinder head and layshaft problems. Yesterday, in typically unpleasant British winter weather I rode my 1976 Ducati v twin in the wet using it's original Elletronica ignition system, she never missed a beat. I realise you are a German car fan but to me they are what you want to make you happy. Personally I would not have one even if it was free, a dreadful image of drug dealing rap 'singers' does the brand no favours. And wtf is aS50B32?
I always liked the design of the Alfa Romeo 155 designed by Italian Ercole Spada who also designed the BMW E34 & BMW E32. I remember the facelifted models beat the BMW 3 Series in group tests in UK motoring magazines!
E34 and E32 were designed by Claus Luthe who was the Chief Designer of the BMW at the time...
@@levantanen No it wasn't, Claus Luthe designed the E30 and E28 check it out on the internet.
Love that. Had a vision of a Renault 21 turbo when you mentioned French. Maybe a future car to review!
Love the look of a 155 and wish I still had my red 97 155 2.0 TS. What an engine. What a sound! So cultured at idle and low revs and then raspy and spine tingling as extended. Later 156 with same engine never sounded quite as good in my opinion. Think you summed it up perfectly with regard to the 3 series.
The 3 series is Garbage .
That exhaust note is AMAAAAAZING!
Back in the day, my Sales Manager gave me his 75 Twin Spark for a long weekend as a reward for success. He had my Rover 214Si for the weekend. For me, aged 24, it was epic. And it was amazingly epic.
Alfa is just a great car. I have Giulietta 170HP and I enjoy it every day.
Been waiting for this video since you teased with a short and as always you delivered an engaging video that was great to watch, just worth it for the engine noise sound alone!!
When I ordered a 156 2L T-Spark, I ordered the super high spoiler that you could order. It arrived in black plastic, was then sprayed and fitted by the dealer! I took delivery 2 weeks afterwards I took it back to have the boot spoiler added. Company car.
Yep, the Silverstome!!! Perfect example of Italian cheating!
I had 1.8 ts with the same spoiler
I had a Series 1 155 V6 2.5 here in Johannesburg, South Africa. I fitted 17" after market rims with 215/40 R17 Yokohamas. That was a FANTASTIC car, handled like a dream with 17s and that engine.... It used to scream from 5000rpm all the way to 7000rpm. Actually, at those revs, the Busso/exhaust (minus the cat) combination sounded like a Porsche flat six. That motor just loved to rev.... On our long open country roads, mine has often saw 230 kph (at over 6000 rpm) indicated... I sold it to a guy who wants to build it into an early BTC replica, white with all the period livery... 12:43 12:43
I had two 155's- a red 1.8 8v and a silver 2.0 16v, both wide body. I actually preferred the 1.8 version although the 2.0 was a good bit quicker. I believe the 4 pot cars handled much better than the V6 and never found the 155 lacking in handling when put up against various fast hatchbacks back then. The steering took a bit of getting used to, though.
The 3 series did not feature on my shortlist and it was probably the same for most 155 owners. The 156 was a better car and did steal sales from BMW. It was Alfas most mainstream car
I always wanted one but could not get passed the fwd chassis, for me it was a let down but that v6 is an absolute gem of an engine 👌
I had the E36 328i. It was a great car but the engine note of the Alfa is in a different league!
Yeah....that 155 V6 Busso sound is fantastic !
I love the videos from the " Number 27" !
Thank you Jack for this video.
That version of the Alfa V6 with the polished runners is a top 10 most beautiful OEM car engine ever.
The bussy Alfa is such a nice sound. Nice review. Thank you for having these fun and odd cars. That red colour is amazing. Keep up the good work.
The one main problem with most of the cars that you drive. You are on the driving on the wrong side of the car. Great video as usual Jack! Or should I say brilliant!
The bear in the back seat is behind Jack having fun in this car. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lovely car and interesting video. But you need to compare the 2.0 16v, which will outhandle the V6. On English roads, that counts for a lot. I've also done mega miles in 155s as 2nd hand dailies 20 years ago and loved every moment.
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Yep, a great car.
As someone that has owned both Alfa Busso V6s and BMW straight sixes, they are chalk and cheese. The chassis, BMWs win. The steering, BMWs win. Building quality, BMW wins. Engine, Alfa wins. Put a Busso V6 into a BMW and you get near perfection. The Alfa is free revving and pulls at ALL speeds. My 164 3.0 was still pulling at 8,000rpm thanks to my mechanic who was ex-race team. When comparing, the BMW straight six is good and sounds great, but no way near as sporty.
Character of the two engines....
BMW "OK, so you want to go fast, here you go."
Busso "YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!"
Took an Alfa into an Alfa dealer to get a warning light checked out. They had no idea what the light was indicating and offered to take the bulb out!!!!!
Got misty-eyed watching this. I had the pleasure of owning almost this exact car back in the 90's. Mine was also lowered and had white 17" wheels as a homage to those awesome DTM cars I'd fawned over. The car was way better than the usual Alfa reputation suggests. I used it as my daily driver for many years and eventually sold it on with 155K miles on the clock. In all the time I had it, I didn't have any major issues to deal with and that Busso V6 was a gem. There were no issues with electronics (eveything worked) and no rust issues either since the car was galvanized. I'd have another in a heartbeat if I could find a good one. What an awesome video 👍
Absolutely loved my 155 2.0ts widebody. That one is gorgeous!
That is a glorious engine note.
I had an Alfetta 1.8 in the late 80s. By that time it was 10 years old and a total rot box, but only about 400 quid. Everything that could go wrong did and parts were infamously expensive. I loved it so much that I bought another one. If there's one brand you basically forgive all its flaws, it would have to be Alfa Romeo. I suppose this 155 ownership experience is the same.
You always forgive the one you fall in love with.
…nice to see a review car so beautifully presented. You can tell a proper enthusiast loves it 😊 And that exhaust 🥰
had the original 92 155, never any problems and the newer widebody , which had some minor things. great cars.
If only the sales reflected the track success . But then the low numbers make it that much more special and cool .
The engine just sounds fantastic - even back in the 90s there was nothing that sounded that good. I liked the look of the 155 but it was such a shame FIAT didn't but the investment in the car deserved.
Love it, thanks for the Busso ride Jack.
Nice video Jack. Interesting car for sure. In the future could you demonstrate what the sound is like from inside the car. That’s what I’m most interested in as a driver.
The skew whiff passenger headrest sums it up. Lovely car though, another great video
I adore my busso gt 3.2 sound. it's an aural delight everytime I drive it .that 155 is stunning
That 155 is the bee's knees! Looks awesome and well sorted and that sound!!! Mamma Mia!!!! Bella Machina
Very nice looking and great sounds 🤘🏼
I love the 155 and the Fiat Tempra. Fist sold a Turbo version of the Tempra in Brazil, the only country that it was sold with a 2 door version. It's a beauty, check it out! (Tempra 2.0 Turbo i.e.
Loved my 155 TS Super back in the late nineties. It was a better allrounder than the 156 I replaced it with. Still miss it!
I fell under the charm of Alfa Romeo in 1977 with an Alfetta Sport Sedan. I've loved everyone they've made since. If you enjoy the Busso V6, get a top of the line 164 Alfa. With the manual trans and 5 lbs extra air in the rear tires (helps it rotate), and you will be in for the time of your life. The only reason I still don't own one is that fact that I have a 2021 Giulia. Which is another one you should try. I know you don't like automatic transmissions but the 8 speed ZF in the Dynamic mode and with the paddle shifts is truly a fun drive. I don't have the paddles in mine, and flipping over to manual and working the trans is very "involving." Love your videos. Thanks.
Jack even if i hated cars I'd recommend watching your stuff for the sheer joy and positivity you exude. Keep up the great work buddy you are a star.
I appreciate that! Thanks 🙏
Nicely told as always! Love the bear in the backseat! 😂 But why isnt' he buckled up? 😮
I also love the 155. I just think they look fabulous. Own a widebody 2.0 Super TS 16v myself since it was about 3 years old. Also own a BMW e36 or two. Love them all. In some respects the 155 is better. Almost zero electrical and electronic issues, whereas in the BM's.... the rooflining in the Alfa has never sagged, whereas in both the E36's.... the doorcards in the BMW's were inferior. The Alfa has never left me by the side of the road.... the 323i has.... But, the BMW body seems more rigid and the suspension has less issues. The lively steering on the Alfa makes it a lot of fun, it inspires so much confidence for me.
Thanks for these fantastic videos Jack!
I had one, a diesel. Not as exciting as the one you showed but it was stunning to look at and it went through corners as if it was on rails. Lowering it and fitting 17" wheels wasn't the best idea for comfort and rattles but when I traded it in for a Passat 3B i've missed it every day.
Passat joy to drive 😬
I'm gagging for a 164 V6, great upload 👋🎄⛄
They were okayish but a massive disappointment after the 164. I sold these as new cars and they had many flaws - not enough front legroom (you could unbolt the seat runners and fix that) plus they were plagued with irritating minor electrical faults. The Tipo chassis just wasn't up to it either. The 1.8 and 2.0 were okay in the 95 on wide body (they were good cars) but the V6 was eaten alive by the 325i. When the 328i came out it really was party over. It's a pity so many V6 Alfas have aftermarket exhausts. They sound so nice as standard.
I loved the look of it back in the day and it sounds amazing!
Cool video and I always loved the 155😁You just need a good mechanic that knows these cars and how to work on them.
Thank-you very much! I want one of these badly!!
Totally agree Jack ...the 155 is just gorgeous.....and the sound of that Busso .....WOW
Certainly that Alfa 155 got the look and noise, but I still think you can´t beat RWD car with it in terms of handling. In my opinion sudden understeer can be more dangerous and scary than sudden oversteer😀
Sudden oversteer is synonym with E36
i had one of those. N812 HDM. Absolutely hilarious to drive .I do miss it. Appetite for front wishbone bushes and an irritating fault with the main ECU relay which was irritating! But sooo much fun.
Always loved the 155 looks but was put off by the negative reviews.
Think I’ll add it to my shortlist for the project I’m looking for.
Another priceless real world critique.
Loved all the wedge Alfa's back in the day, still do.
Short of ever having a Ti V6 (DTM) for the road, then this is the nicest 155 I've ever seen.
I remember driving a 166 with the 2.5 bus so, that engine was truly special
OMG Jack I’m only half way in, that sound is amazing 🤩 I’m on Autotrader straight after this video 🤗
I had one (mk1) but with the 2.0 twin spark, loved it !
Handbrake is a knuckle-slicer, verrrry long throw gearbox but interesting metallically engine note ! Good stuff.
Ps Everyone use Harry Garage corner I note !
I like the Milano allot. I have been eyeballing a GTv6 recently. Lovely cars!
The155 V6 what a car bro...the DTM Masterpiece from 1996-97 Nicola Larini at Nurburgring .
Alfasud Sprint Veloce another Italian great vehicle from the 1980 ....do more videos related to this great vehicles please "Number 27 " ! Do it ☺️
That does sound awesome. Great video.
As an owner of another Fiat Failiure(Stilo schumacher 2.4 5cyl) I love the 155 its so bloody Italian ha ha...... you're exactly right.. who cares about speed these days. you're only gonna get nicked... it's the sound and the styling that is important .. wooo hoo..
I’ve always liked the clean lines of the 155. This one is a looker for sure.
glad you liked it Simon!
It looks amazing and sounds SENSATIONAL!! Sounds like a wilder, more insane E46 M3!
That exhaust sound is insane!
I had four 155 Twinspark 2.0 widetracks - LOVED them and would have one tomorrow. This car in the video is simply perfect.
@Official_Number27. is the prize this car?!
it's not mine to give away! I wish it was mine to give away, but then I'd not give it away, nor sell it either.!!
Nice cars, one of Alfa Romeo's best could you do a car review on the Lincoln towncar stretch limousine?
A classic Alfa, lush V6 etc.! Love that sound (& the cute Alfa Teddy.!) 😊
We had 2 155s, both 2L 16v. Build quality was pretty good - better than the e46 BMW we owned later in. In sensible terms, the 155 was comfy and had a massive boot.
The problem with modern cars is they isolate you from the actual driving experience. Something like this or a little Fulvia you can be doing 70mph but it feels so much more and you can have the fun. In a new car you have to drive fast to get any sensation of the speed/experience. Love these 155's personally - ever since the Touring Car Championship days. I'd like a wide body version but can't justify for having a 4th car !
That is a proper noise! Great looking car, thanks Jack! 🙏🙏
Sounds a bit tinny.
@@heiner71 Tinny Schminny! 😂😂One persons tinny is another one's raspy! (I know what you mean though).
I'm a massive bmw fan boy but those alfa v6s sound awesome 👌 in my opinion any 6 cylinder is a win but I think a 12 valve lump in my book always sounds better than a 24v one 😎 more character.
24V 164 3 litres sound amazing, trust me - peak Busso for me
Every departure and always gives emotions, a car with a soul
I truly don’t understand the RWD vs FWD argument that that i hear so often. I own a GTV6 which is RWD, and a 156 V6 which is FWD. I often track my GTV6, and on a track, it is absolutely brilliant, BUT, in the real world, on public roads, most drivers simply will not push the car to the point where it will matter which wheels are driven, because, it’s dangerous and illegal, but more importantly, most people don’t have the skillset to push a car to the point where it would matter. On public roads, even with a bit of spirited driving, i much prefer the 156, as it has very quick steering, it has more power, and it handles nice in the bendies, because even though it is FWD, Alfa did the suspension right. On a racetrack obviously the GTV6 would be favorable, but for everything else, my front wheel drive 156 is better in every way.
I get very irritated every time i talk to someone and the 156 comes up in the conversation, and they say something like “if only it was rear wheel drive”.. Unless you plan on entering a drifting competition, it simply does not matter. I have shamed many RWD cars with the 156.. Also, i love how people very conveniently seem to forget how many of todays popular cars are FWD. Golf GTIs Civics, Fords etc. That said, Jack, thank you for yet another brilliant Busso powered Alfa review. Keep em coming.
Of all the alfas I’ve owned, this one still eludes me. Have nearly bought two V6’s over the years. Various reasons I didn’t.
I spotted a dead 155 TS on someone’s drive a few months ago, been off road 13 years, proteo red. I wrote a letter and placed it in the letterbox and received a text saying ‘thanks for the note, I’ll let you know if I sell it’. This thing is dead, knackered lacquer, sat for over a decade so probably parts.
My friend has a 155 with a Fiat Coupe 20VT conversion he’s just building up. Should be fun.
Absolutely beautiful car designed by Ercole Spada from the creator and inventor of the sports saloon! The original the authentic and best!
The racing 155s were marvellous
I owned a BMW E46 325 and it was a decent car, no real complains. tiny issues here and there, the bearings of the wishbones had to be replaced, radiator for the heater had to be replaced, but yes it was alright. I owned a 156 2.5, this car was perfect. I had it for over 220.000km without any complains what so ever. occasionally some sparks some new brakes and some oil and that was it. I have not even had to change the exhaust. Oh and it took 2 litres less per 100km than the BMW. But I am German so go team BMW go BMW ;-)
What a fabulous example. I'd totally own that ! So charming. :)
Opening 45 seconds...enough said...!
Glorious.
great vid...what do you record your exhaust note with? sounds epic!
I owned a wide bodied n plate 155 V6 in this Rosso red about 17 years ago..... absolutely loved it ( the ex hated it because she thought it was a rev monster, it wasn't and she hated attention she believed it got at the lights?????) sadly it got written off due to someone ploughing into it while it was parked up. Yes it had the familiar Alfa/Fiat build issues, but that engine was solid.
Whilst I do like old Bimmers up to mid 80s, BMW pretty much ceased to exist for me in many ways since then. Booooooring….
I had a rare as the proverbial you know what 155 Q4 WIDEBODY! Bought 2nd hand and took it to Alfa to have a look at the transfer box - they’d never seen one before and refused to touch it!
I now have a mint 155 V6 last production series - Busso is very nice but the Q4 with the 4wd and MASSIVE turbo lag was seriously fun. M3s on the motorway struggled keep up, with the turbo taking off at 80mph!
Fun days!
Beautiful and interesting cars. Got me into touring cars, when I was always a WRC Rally man before Signore Tarquini came along…
Great video Jack, well done 👏🏽
Thanks chap!! Glad you enjoyed it
Nice car. Love the Ronal wheels!