It’s a long one! Settle in and enjoy the conversation. There is a lot of ground to cover, but this might help. 1:30 - Low gearing and why you want it 3:30 - the almighty NP 205 6:00 - what a doubler is, and is not! 10:00 - what a slip yoke eliminator does 11:40 - clocking a transfer case, good bad or just a waste of time? 13:30 - driveline angles, and solutions 15:00 - THE MAGNUM SHAFT 17:00 - Stephen turns into a robot and starts confusing me with math 20:00 - what the magnum shaft delivers on 22:00 - torque and its effects 23:50 - Why the Magnum is a True 4 Spd 25:00 - How Stephen runs the Magnum, and gearing choices 27:00 - Hells Bells Ultra4 truck 29:00 - Magnum vs Atlas 32:00 - The importance of material selection 35:00 - Build Theory 40:00 - ORD order status and manufacturer realities in Covid world
ORD is the real deal. Their parts are well designed, well built, and perform as advertised. Their customer service is the best I've ever experienced with any company, period. Whether you're calling to order parts, need some advice, or help with a problem, somebody competent will help you, going all the way up to the guy that designed the thing if necessary. I've talked to Stephen a couple of times on the phone over the years, and he is a genuinely great guy with a passion for offroading and an encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff. I can't recommend them highly enough.
I’m upgrading my 81 K5 from stock everything basically. I’m pretty set on keeping my axles and going to 4.10 Detroit lockers to go from 33s to 35s since I need new tires and the power/torque seems pretty low at low rpms. I think a good next step might be your transfer case option. I hope pricing will be available soon. Listening to you fellas is keeping me motivated and on track. Thanks for the words of hard earned wisdom!
If you need off road parts for definitely Chevys but also fords & dodges Steve Watson is definitely the man to talk to for sure!! He will help you out with any questions that you may have On your vehicle that you are working on and just need a little help!! I have bought lots of parts from Steven over the years and I had lots of questions!! I think I even called him two or three different times trying to get him to exsplain how the doublers worked what way would be the strongest and so on!! If I didn’t understand it the first time on how explained it he would try exsplaining it a different way!! He never got made at me & just always trying to make sure I understood everything that I was asking!! Steven is definitely a wonderful guy that loves what he does & loves to help anyone that needs it also!! Steven I will always be back to buy more parts for my rig that I have been working on for the past 20+ years!! I absolutely love working on the older trucks also!!! Thanks Steven once again for all your help bud & I definitely appreciate it!!
Seen a 85 chevy 1ton BBC 400 w205 pulling a 32ft toy hauler drop the rear drive line (lost a u joint tied up the driveline)Owner slipped it in 4wheel drive locked the front hubs and drove off on front axle only, the dana 60 did just fine, about 50 miles no problems.
None, however they are going into heavier trucks than the Jeeps they were removed from, so torque stress will be amplified. Paraphrasing the Professor, "You don't want to have transfer case troubles on the trail."
I had the 203 205 doubler set up years ago. It took me for ever to find the parts and was so heavy it was scary installing it.I Gave you a like .I`m subscribed and hit the bell. but For some reason this didn`t come up until today 4 days later ?
I ordered a 205 with a magnum under drive a couple of months ago. Also ordered a front locker for my GM d60 gears front and back plus a bunch of other stuff…Anyway I love the design and quality they put into their products. I think I spent around 10g this go around. About 8 years ago I got my hydro assist and cross over steering as well as some other items. I love their products. I’m preluding with this because I don’t want to come off as a complainer. Merrick I have a few questions for you. 1. Did your twin stick boot and magnum boot come in different shades of black? My twin stick boot came flat black and my magnum boot came shiny black. 2. Did your 205 magnum come with studs? Mine didn’t and I just used the original bolts from the 208. 3. You said you didn’t clock your transfer case. With all the holes in the magnum how did you know what orientation was “unclocked” I just kind of stuffed mine in there with out any real direction, which I can see was pretty ignorant of me. I took a screen of your studs mounted on yours. Was that the orientation you mounted yours? 4.I started doing my own gears about 15 years ago and wrenching on motors since I was a teenager, but I never had a 205 or wrenched on any transfer case for that matter. How did you know how to mount the fittings and clear tube? Mine didn’t come with any instructions. It with instructions for the linkage, which I thought was pretty self explanatory…but I’m sure someone might think the fittings and clocking orientation is self explanatory as well🤷♂️ I have the same dash from DIY4X as you and I went with some auto meter gauges. When I did that I had to run a mechanical to digital adapter at the 208 transfer case. Now my adapter doesn’t fit. Did you have this issue and if you did how did you solve it? Sorry to bombard you with all these questions. I emailed Offroad Design 5 days ago with these same questions and they have yet to get back to me.
@@MerricksGarage hey bro I’m trying to install the sight tube for the magnum. Based off your vid… do I need one or can I just put X amount of gear oil? Also does it matter where you put the oil in on the magnum?
I pretty much filled mine and drove it. Make sure you have catch cans attached as both the magnum and case will puke a lot of fluid before they settle.
Merricks Garage It would take a lot of work, but it would be cool to know all the details of each obstacle, and then build to all the perfect parameters.
40:00 - my $.02; we’re not buying as much if anything at all from China anymore and China isn’t buying crops from us; therefore all the parts that we used to have access to we no longer have access to. Thanks to “new policies,” production of those parts is going to be punished by higher taxes as opposed to being rewarded with profit.
It’s a long one! Settle in and enjoy the conversation. There is a lot of ground to cover, but this might help.
1:30 - Low gearing and why you want it
3:30 - the almighty NP 205
6:00 - what a doubler is, and is not!
10:00 - what a slip yoke eliminator does
11:40 - clocking a transfer case, good bad or just a waste of time?
13:30 - driveline angles, and solutions
15:00 - THE MAGNUM SHAFT
17:00 - Stephen turns into a robot and starts confusing me with math
20:00 - what the magnum shaft delivers on
22:00 - torque and its effects
23:50 - Why the Magnum is a True 4 Spd
25:00 - How Stephen runs the Magnum, and gearing choices
27:00 - Hells Bells Ultra4 truck
29:00 - Magnum vs Atlas
32:00 - The importance of material selection
35:00 - Build Theory
40:00 - ORD order status and manufacturer realities in Covid world
I've been following ORD for over 15 years. Watching the company expand along with the vehicles like Wally has been great.
They have always delivered cool stuff. And you know it had been tested and perfected
I could listen to this conversation all day, great job of communicating it so it's easily understood, thanks to you both.
🤘😁
Our pleasure!
ORD is the real deal. Their parts are well designed, well built, and perform as advertised. Their customer service is the best I've ever experienced with any company, period. Whether you're calling to order parts, need some advice, or help with a problem, somebody competent will help you, going all the way up to the guy that designed the thing if necessary. I've talked to Stephen a couple of times on the phone over the years, and he is a genuinely great guy with a passion for offroading and an encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff. I can't recommend them highly enough.
Well said
Glad to see his son carrying on!! That's awesome!!
2 of my favorite guys! All the full-size info you can get with these fellas👏🏼👍🏼
Thanks man! I always learn a lot from Watson!
Good info. It gave me some good insight on why my Atlas 4speed broke. 👍
Verbalizing how the doubler works and how it's related to the rest of the drivetrain was great, thanks!
I’m upgrading my 81 K5 from stock everything basically. I’m pretty set on keeping my axles and going to 4.10 Detroit lockers to go from 33s to 35s since I need new tires and the power/torque seems pretty low at low rpms. I think a good next step might be your transfer case option. I hope pricing will be available soon. Listening to you fellas is keeping me motivated and on track. Thanks for the words of hard earned wisdom!
If you need off road parts for definitely Chevys but also fords & dodges Steve Watson is definitely the man to talk to for sure!! He will help you out with any questions that you may have On your vehicle that you are working on and just need a little help!! I have bought lots of parts from Steven over the years and I had lots of questions!! I think I even called him two or three different times trying to get him to exsplain how the doublers worked what way would be the strongest and so on!! If I didn’t understand it the first time on how explained it he would try exsplaining it a different way!! He never got made at me & just always trying to make sure I understood everything that I was asking!! Steven is definitely a wonderful guy that loves what he does & loves to help anyone that needs it also!! Steven I will always be back to buy more parts for my rig that I have been working on for the past 20+ years!! I absolutely love working on the older trucks also!!! Thanks Steven once again for all your help bud & I definitely appreciate it!!
He’s a good dude and runs a good biz.
Squarebody Legends!🇺🇸
Well then... I guess I'm gonna look into the magnum now and put the doubler on hold. Thanks. Great video guys 👍
Wise choice. Nothing wrong with a doubler, this is the next generation.
Great video as always. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
i like when you do these longer videos bud !!!!!!!!
Seen a 85 chevy 1ton BBC 400 w205 pulling a 32ft toy hauler drop the rear drive line (lost a u joint tied up the driveline)Owner slipped it in 4wheel drive locked the front hubs and drove off on front axle only, the dana 60 did just fine, about 50 miles no problems.
Good one.
Thanks for the details.
I may punt my two Atlases.
Have you had any issues?
None, however they are going into heavier trucks than the Jeeps they were removed from, so torque stress will be amplified.
Paraphrasing the Professor, "You don't want to have transfer case troubles on the trail."
Lol. Well said.
I got down off the mountain only fwd and brakes after breaking rear ds. Pucker situation 205 pulled through swear by it now no matter what
I had the 203 205 doubler set up years ago. It took me for ever to find the parts and was so heavy it was scary installing it.I Gave you a like .I`m subscribed and hit the bell. but For some reason this didn`t come up until today 4 days later ?
I ordered a magnum today for my jeep!!!
Heck yea man! You are gonna love it.
Tell me about it on the supply chain issues. We haven't slowed down at UPS since covid started
And I don’t think we will!
I ordered a 205 with a magnum under drive a couple of months ago. Also ordered a front locker for my GM d60 gears front and back plus a bunch of other stuff…Anyway I love the design and quality they put into their products. I think I spent around 10g this go around. About 8 years ago I got my hydro assist and cross over steering as well as some other items. I love their products. I’m preluding with this because I don’t want to come off as a complainer. Merrick I have a few questions for you.
1. Did your twin stick boot and magnum boot come in different shades of black? My twin stick boot came flat black and my magnum boot came shiny black.
2. Did your 205 magnum come with studs? Mine didn’t and I just used the original bolts from the 208.
3. You said you didn’t clock your transfer case. With all the holes in the magnum how did you know what orientation was “unclocked” I just kind of stuffed mine in there with out any real direction, which I can see was pretty ignorant of me. I took a screen of your studs mounted on yours. Was that the orientation you mounted yours?
4.I started doing my own gears about 15 years ago and wrenching on motors since I was a teenager, but I never had a 205 or wrenched on any transfer case for that matter. How did you know how to mount the fittings and clear tube? Mine didn’t come with any instructions. It with instructions for the linkage, which I thought was pretty self explanatory…but I’m sure someone might think the fittings and clocking orientation is self explanatory as well🤷♂️
I have the same dash from DIY4X as you and I went with some auto meter gauges. When I did that I had to run a mechanical to digital adapter at the 208 transfer case. Now my adapter doesn’t fit. Did you have this issue and if you did how did you solve it? Sorry to bombard you with all these questions. I emailed Offroad Design 5 days ago with these same questions and they have yet to get back to me.
Ok I figured out the clear tube is just a sight tube for the oil level…lol like I said I never had a 205.
There’s a lot to digest here. Let me get back at you!
@@MerricksGarage hey bro I’m trying to install the sight tube for the magnum. Based off your vid… do I need one or can I just put X amount of gear oil? Also does it matter where you put the oil in on the magnum?
I pretty much filled mine and drove it. Make sure you have catch cans attached as both the magnum and case will puke a lot of fluid before they settle.
@@MerricksGarage oh good to know thanks!
How much difference in length was your front drive shaft before/after mag box.
Prob two inches
James, have you seen the abomination of K5’s that GM made; the Chevy Volt powered K5. FML
Kill it with fire before it lays eggs
Has anyone ever reverse engineered a Moab rock crawler custom tube build using measurements taken from all the obstacles from Moab?
I don’t think there is a formula
Merricks Garage It would take a lot of work, but it would be cool to know all the details of each obstacle, and then build to all the perfect parameters.
First comment!! Woop,woop!!
why you keep talking over him lol
Serious. When I was editing this I wanted to tell myself shut up!! Ha ha
@@MerricksGarage haha im just yanking your chain. thanks for the great content. can't wait to see the burb hit the road! #burbisdaword
40:00 - my $.02; we’re not buying as much if anything at all from China anymore and China isn’t buying crops from us; therefore all the
parts that we used to have access to we no longer have access to. Thanks to “new policies,” production of those parts is going to be punished by higher taxes as opposed to being rewarded with profit.
Second let's go
Tell Steve that I don't like who ever runs there face book page
I will make sure to pass that along