@@jadenseymour1920 that’s the whole point the tv show is about Jennifer and how she sees the world not how you do and she does not know all the things Bruce went through as a child or for being the hulk
Hulk will never beat thanos same as he will never beat Thor lmao Thor and thanos was made to be stronger than the hulk Stan Lee stated Thor was the character he made to be the answer to every problem
They literally had the scrapped scene where the hulk would bust out of the hulk buster armour but for some reason they decided to change it last minute which is why the cgi is shit
First Norton Hulk got removed from reality, then Ruffalo Hulk got neutered. Now we’re left with grumpy Han Solo Hulk who’s going to be entirely fed up with the role after he’s in the MCU for one movie, *HELP US HULK FANS OUT PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAASE!*
@@YourBoyVonthere same but look at difference between Hulk as a character in the incredible Hulk movie and today mcu Hulk he was good in 1 avengers movie and age of Ultron too.
Same. I loved the 2003 Hulk. I know a bunch of people didn't like it, but I never looked at it like it was superhero film. I looked at it like it was a character drama because that's what it was. A man who has a bunch of repressed trauma and abuse and he still has nightmares about his childhood. When he becomes the Hulk, it's the inner child in him lashing out. But when he's finally alone and at peace, the Hulk likes to look at flowers. It's a very underrated film. I found it to be extremely moving.
Zactly. If he was a baby in the Incredible Hulk, then he was a child being acknowledged by an adult. Cap made him happy. And I always figured the Always Angry thing was part of Banner having a tighter control on the Hulk psychologically. If he's a child, then Banner learned how to reason with him, but he can't predict temper tantrums. And finally, they Should have had Thanos at least need to relay on the Power Stone AND his wits to beat Hulk.
You perfectly explained how i felt about the Hulkbuster scene in Age of Ultron. I may not be an avid comic book reader, but from the research I've done on this topic, Tony Stark has fought the Hulk with a Hulkbuster on 5 different occasions, and of those 5 fights, 4 of them resulted in the suit being absolutely demolished. The last one saw Tony win, but only because the suit used in that fight was made from the corpse of a Celestial and had to be out down by Thor, but that just goes to show you. Unless he gets some overpowered bs to supe up his suits, Hulkbusters pose little to no threat to canonically one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe
If you watched the movie you would know hulk was gong to win the fight but after seeing everyone bloody and screaming and all the damage he caused he calmed down giving iron man the time to knock him out
@@JoshAllen-f4ethe way i saw it was after tony brought him thru the building hulk was dizzy and lookin around at the ppl like u said but he was ready to gts
@@JoshAllen-f4e But ironman still knocked him out anyway, hulk should be strong enough to resist cheap shots like that if you go by comic lore, but that's where people make mistakes mcu hulk is mcu hulk he isn't comicbook hulk who is basically limitless mcu hulk has limits and even ironman is toned down in mcu, his base suits in comics has absurd strength feats while mcu never properly showcased his super strength he needed dozens of thrusters to push a ferry in homecoming while classic armor ironman in comic was towing 5 warships with pure strength. Ironman also had so many abilities and weapons in comics which were never shown in mcu they reduced him to just flying, shooting repulsors and body slams, so it goes both ways almost every character from comic is nerfed in mcu because mcu isn't trying to adapt them accurately , mcu characters are just the interpretations of comic characters in my opinion.
As a person who reads comics Yes Hulk has consistently whooped the hulkbuster Matter of fact The hulkbusters first ever appearence and L to hulk was against PROFESSOR hulk
It’s so annoying how they SAY he’s strong and scary and all this stuff but when it comes to his fighting scenes it’s like, where is that? Bruce is always afraid of bringing him out bc of how destructive he is, but if literally like 3 people on his team can either win in a fight against him or calm him down there’s no pointtttttt I HATE when movies tell and not show
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 yea he’s powerful, and breaks things, destroys things, but just like how WRMZ, says in this video, it’s underwhelming when you have so many people who can defeat him ykwim? He’s still powerful and scary in a way, but the way that Banner talks abt it would make you think it would be more, yk? Like it’s over exaggerated how powerful and scary he is, when in reality, he can be controlled, and people can stop him
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286pre-professor hulk got his ass beat by Ironman, Thor, thanos and is calmed down by black widow, I’d be surprised if mjolnir captain America couldn’t beat him 😂
@@4NNEL15he can’t be controlled nor stopped, he tore apart the helicarrier because Loki knew how destructive he was, Thor struggled with him, he easily took down Loki, the big alien worm thing (idk what it’s called) was only taken down by him alone and then Thor (who is a god)
@@alcyon7536pre professor hulk dog walked the hulk buster suit, it only took for him to get weaker thanks to him seeing the destruction he made and the people afraid of him
I agree with you. I remember watching both 2003 and 2008 Hulk. I was so terrified of them. Granted, I only saw one scene of 2003 Hulk attacking a guy and basically leaving him for dead, but it was enough to scar me for some time. 2008 Hulk is the one film that will always terrify me in terms of the Hulk. How they ruined such a perfectly terrifying hero, I will never know..😔
Sony doesn’t own hulk movie rights, universal does, but it ain’t like universal does shit with it, they could easily make a movie but they decide not to, marvel is only allowed to use him in cameos that’s why we haven’t gotten a sequel, I think if we got a trilogy people would be ok with Professor hulk. Basically I’d say universal just give up the hulk and Namor movies right if you ain’t gonna do anything with them
@@kaeaedwin7937 Yeah I agree with u bro, probably why the mcu doesnt care about the hulk, they dont have the rights. How does it work, cant they buy the rights or something?
@@spacepirate8355 aight so basically Universal owns the MOVIE rights to hulk and Namor franchise (this happened because marvel was going bankrupt so they would sell their movie licenses to movie companies. Now from what’s been said Marvel is allow to borrow hulk in other projects that aren’t hulk focused movies, so they can have hulk in avengers, Ironman, Thor and etc. but weren’t allowed to make a solo hulk film unless under the conditions that whatever money a hulk movie would make universal will get most of the profits. So when they made Incredible Hulk, even tho marvel made it, majority of profits would go to universal. So the reason we don’t have a hulk sequel or another hulk film is because neither side wants the other to more money off em, so Disney doesn’t want universal to have majority of the profit if they made one and universal doesn’t wanna let go of rights because they know how lucrative the hulk franchise can be so they’ve just been at a stalemate since 2008
You know what the worst part of all this is? It's that this problem will never get solved. With the Russo brothers and Stephen McFeely coming back to write and direct Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, it means we're never going to see the real Hulk again because why would they try to fix the Hulk now? So, either Doctor Doom effortlessly defeats either Hulk, Thor or Captain Marvel after he wipes out the Kang variants, those characters will just be trash for the remainder of the saga.
I wish they had Hulk beating up Thanos to the point Thanos used the Space Stone to teleport Hulk to outer space to Earth. Having Thanos outsmart Hulk instead of overpowering would been way better. I’m not saying Hulk is undefeatable, it’s just when it comes to Brute Strength and Physical Combat, it completely loses Hulk’s Concept of “Strongest There Is”.
@@Juggernaut49859oh yeah And he finna get row dogged by hulk if it wasn't for plot armor 😂😂😂 Like bruh if he wasn't the main villain the story would've ended waaaaaaay sooner
Bruce is always angry and when he loses CONTROL over that anger than he turns into the hulk. When you’re mad enough to fight someone you still can choose to control yourself and not get into a fight or lose control and get into a fight.
Hulk is more than that tho, look at any of his previous material and you'll immediately change your mind. The MCU hulk is a dumb toddler, but not who Hulk should be as a character
They haven't had distribution rights to hulk movies for a while, so they couldn't make solo hulk films without Universal, only able to have him in avengers or other character films. They got the rights back somewhat recently, so they can make more if they want
The timing of this video is impeccable, I was literally going back and rewatching the 2003 and 2008 Hulk movies and am even going as far back as the 60s/70s Bill Bixby Hulk TV Series to watch a couple episodes. Going through the movies, I reminded myself of just how badly Marvel fumbled the bag with Hulk in the MCU. Can’t say it’s all their fault because of all the rights issues that were pertaining to Hulk’s character, but they definitely didn’t even really try hard enough to give us a great Hulk. They even went so far as to take one of his most well-known and important comics and watered it down to a completely unrecognizable comedy film. The sad part of it all is that it’s too late to even attempt to do anything with his character or give him another solo movie because all his “story arcs” have all been done in other films. The only hope we have is if they follow through with their reboot after Secret Wars and we get new actors and new stories, hopefully we get the chance to have a better represented Hulk on the big screen.
Imagine if instead of getting green Mark Ruffulo in End Game, we got the gray Hulk. He’s still a smart Hulk, but now instead of a raging monster, you get a cold, malicious, near anti-villain of a Hulk.
Bruce being always angry is where 2008 hulk movie left off, he integrates his anger rather then suppress it and letting it bottled up turning him into hulk. his transition between him and hulk is so seamless in New York cuz he tamed anger/hulk. Which leaves the audience the question if hulk Bruce are the same person or not. he couldn’t tame Hulk earlier in the film cuz Loki.
You spoke facts, WRMZ. The Hulk has been absolute trash since Age Of Ultron and I still don't know why Joss Wheadon made Black Widow and Hulk lovers when those two characters have nothing in common. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile, Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster who screams "Hulk smash" at the top of his lungs, I don't know how Joss Wheadon got the idea to cook up a scenario where Black Widow could end up with the Hulk when she flirted with Captain America in The Winter Solider.
Lmao a lot of ppl in these comments don’t really know the hulk they think he supposed to just be angry and smash everything when it more complex than tht many times in the comic hulk hates causing destruction for no reason
I guess if the MCU is going to keep the Hulk as a joke, then Red Hulk will be the stand in for what the Hulk used to be. Since Red Hulk is already the main antagonist in Brave New World, however he's defeated he won't really go away since Ross is the President now and will probably still be featured in the Thunderbolts. So since Red Hulk will still have a menacing presence, perhaps he'll just carry the vibe that the real Hulk did back in 2008. If this is done right, I supposed this could be a "salvageable replacement."
@ItsWRMZ 🤦♂️ The "I'm always angry" line is just something that's supposed to sound cool and isn't meant to be taken literally. Hulk listened to Cap because he hadn't attacked Hulk and because what he told Hulk to do is "smash", which Hulk loves to do. Remember, he did punch Thor later on during the Battle of New York because he remembered that Thor attacked him on the Helicarrier. Black Widow presumably calmed down the Hulk because they had no way of knowing how long it would take for him to revert back to Bruce Banner after their battle against those Hydra members, and they didn't want to have to worry about him potentially causing damage to the quinjet that the Avengers use when they would go to leave & return to Avengers Tower(AKA Stark Tower). Hulk actually did pretty well against the Hulkbuster Armor for most of his fight with Iron Man. The only reason that he didn't win the fight is because he got distracted when he realized what he had done after he got snapped out of whatever hallucinations he was having that Wanda Maximoff caused him to have, which gave Tony the opportunity to knock Hulk unconscious. Hulk tends to revert back to Bruce when he gets knocked unconscious, so that's presumably what happened after Tony knocked out the Hulk. Before 'The Avengers 3: Infinity War', everything was good when it came to the Hulk in the MCU franchise.
4:40 Exactly. Much as I love Hulk, him being used *very* sparingly in the films would've been the best way to establish his raw power. He would've been kinda like Thanos. The looming danger of him is what builds the fear and hype around him. You don't know when he'll come, you don't even know if he WILL. You just know he *could* . And that thought alone is terrifying enough. That right there is the Hulk presence I want. The lack of Hulk presence would give him a strong presence to the audience, if that makes any sense. It would've made the moments he was unleashed much more impactful. To let you know shit got real. I think Hulk is a character you build *around* , not ontop of. That's not to say Hulk can't change, it's moreso that his change can't be tied to only when we see him. And no, I don't mean offscreen, ew. It's such a damn shame Universal has the rights to him. Those rights that they're doing fuck all with. I've been into the Hulk ever since I was a kid. Ironically enough though, the MCU was how I was introduced to the character. After Avengers, I was a Hulkomaniac. He was my favorite Avenger, and when I talk about him like this and think about the depth and potential depth of him, he still is. In the MCU he's one of the least interesting characters when he honestly should be one of the most. In recent years I've sorta forgotten about the poor fella. With the way he was treated in the MCU, my hype and passion for him died off slowly. I was still hype whenever he showed up, but those moments became fewer and fewer. I was excited in Ragnarok about his bout with Thor, but honestly his entrance is better than the fight. The buildup is intense and cool, you see puffs of green gas throughout the audience, they're cheering loud as hell as he breaks through the wall. It's genuinely awesome, I've never related more to a fictional audience in my life. The fight was alright and the Loki callback was fun, but the buildup and initial entrance was so much better by comparison. Then came Infinity War. Seeing Hulk get clapped so easily hurt. A lot. But I expected that to setup an eventual rematch and redemption. I was alright with the whole Hulk being disobedient. At the time I saw this as a crazy amount of setup for the King's return. Then Professor Hulk happened and my interest in him flatlined. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm desperate. Desperate as hell. I am so fucking desperate for SOMETHING to reinvigorate my love for Hulk. Marvel's Avengers was a flicker of hope. Then I saw the shit talk and bad reviews on it. And *even then* I was so desperate that I STILL played the game just because I wanted to play as Hulk so badly, even if it sucked. I'm dry. The kid in me who loved Hulk so much that he bought and wore the absolute hell outta the Hulk hands has been dry for years and it really hurts. Genuinely. I'm just so angry and sad that it feels like no one cares about him anymore. I know that's not true, but man does it feel like it sometimes. And this is coming from a guy who has never touched a comic book in his entire life. Literally, the Avengers movies and Incredible Hulk (2008) are all that have been fueling this insane love for this character. No matter how wrong they do him, I can never stop loving this character. And god, I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it is for Hulk fans who've been fans longer than I have, consumed so much more Hulk media than I have. Ugh. This just feels bad. They deserve better. Hulk and Bruce deserve better.
Despite all the good points you make, I have to disagree on one thing. Your statements about how it’s embarrassing the Hulk lost to the Hulkbuster. The Hulkbuster isn’t just some buff suit of armor. It’s a suit of armor Tony Stark made with the sole and only purpose of being a countermeasure for if the Hulk were to go rogue, it’s a suit of armor specifically designed to deal with Hulk created by one of if not the smartest person alive. Not to mention, during that entire fight, Iron Man was pretty much getting his ass handed to him. Meanwhile, the Hulk was not slowing down or getting tired in the slightest Iron Man with constantly having to call in repairs and replacements for pieces of his armor. While the worst the Hulk had was simply losing a tooth, and that only made him more mad. It took an endless amount of beatings and having an entire building, dropped on him to even knock him out and being able to knock the Hulk unconscious would be considered an extraordinary feat.
@@Ricky-hl2iz Comparing superheroes from comics to their movie counterparts in terms of power is really unfair because the comic versions tend to either be utterly pitiful or the most broken character ever conceived. For example. MCU Drax is, physically, an absolute unit. Capable of flipping over police cars with next to no effort. While he’s super strong, he’s not invincible. We see a guy pull out a massive laser canon and it still hurts him. But this attack would make incinerate most people. It only knocks Drax back a bit. He gets hit by it a few more times and all it does is bring him to his knees. And even then, we see he’s completely fine after they leave the Orgocorp building and is given some time to rest. Comic book Drax is literally capable of destroying whole solar systems with no effort whatsoever.
@@theparrishshow9803true, because if you are taking comic hulk then take comic iron man's strongest armors too like godbuster, hard light armor and celestial armor, within the context of mcu hulkbuster vs hulk made sense.
Since no one wants to point out the problems with this video I guess I have to. problem 1 iron Man beating the hulk in Age of Ultron makes perfect sense in the movie. because hulk was winning the entire time. the only reason he lost in end is because the mind control he was under ended. which made him calm down and see all the damage he caused. and since iron Man didn't know his mind control ended and the hulk was going to transform back to Bruce banner in a minute. he snuck attack the hulk when he wasn't paying attention which knocked him out. Problem number 2 the hulk attacking Black widow and Thor in the middle of the movie. but following Captain America's orders at the end makes perfect sense if you've actually seen the movie. because the reason why the hulk was out of control in the middle of the movie was because everybody's emotions was out of control on The shield helicarrier due to the mind Stone making everyone angry. that was literally Loki's plan. his plan was for everyone to anger Bruce banner make the hulk transform and go out of control due to the mind Stone. and that would bring down shield and the avengers for him so that makes perfect sense. as for the reason why he followed Captain America's orders it's because literally his only orders was for the hulk to smash which is what he always does. also because the hulk takes orders from The avengers all the time in the comics and TV shows
As for the third and final problem with this video. Bruce banner saying he's always angry makes perfect sense because it's literally factually true. weather in the comics. TV shows. or movies. Because he was abused and hated ever since he was born by his father who thought he was a monster. his mother was killed by his father for defending Bruce. he was bullied in school because he was smarter than everyone which made everyone jealous and because he was antisocial due to being abused and hated all his life. and that's only a tiny piece of how horrible his life is so yes Bruce banner is always angry. the reason why he doesn't transform all the time is because he's surprising his anger. but yes he could transform anytime he wants to. he just has to think about how his father beat his mother to death. anybody who knows the hulk would know this that's why I was incredibly disappointed by this video. because it was an incredibly easy video to make. all you had to do was talk about how the MCU ruined the hulk after infinity war. instead you said things in this video that makes me think you might not have even seen the older MCU movies more than one time a decade ago
Imagine if the Hulk personality trapped in the back seat of Bruce's mind breaks out he will be more pissed then he's ever been that could possibly be a new version of world war Hulk
What really bothers me, is that they already used up elements from Worldbreaker Hulk. One of the best comic books stories, DC or Marvel. So, even if we get to a place where we can get the X-Men and the Illuminati and the Inhumans in one movie they cant do Worldbreaker cause they wasted it on Ragnorok. That shit pisses me off.
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To quote Stan Lee " the madder he gets , the stronger he gets" MCU "what?" Also notice how the first movies are more grounded like Iron Man 1, Hulk 2008, Captan America 1 even Thor 1 but later on they get to laught at a pull my finger joke
Personally I think Ironman just got a lucky hit in with Hulk. I found that movie to be goated but I can see your point. Hopefully Marvel say that this is just Banner's personality weakening the Hulk and one day show World Breaker Hulk.
I can't believe this is only your 21st video. This was *SO* good! Like, *really!!* Your editing style, your script, the arguments you made and the receipts to back 'em up, I loved this! Plus, you're probably the only content creator I've come across that's actually called out Ragnarok for being a dumb jokey cartoon of a movie, I've been saying that for years lol!! Fantastic work, bro! I've subbed and will now binge some more of your content 👍😊
Only point where I will disagree with you is “if Iron-Man can beat the Hulk in a fight, he’s stronger” I’ve seen enough anime to know that: Wining a fight against someone =/= being stronger than someone
Don't think anything could beat that moment where Black Widow says "I swear on my life." and that was what guaranteed Hulk's appearance. Bruce Banner being constantly irritated, but contained, was a nice way of showing how much control he had gained since the Incredible Hulk Movie. And him snapping at Natasha was really because it was the second time she lied to him. The first being in that shack and he scares her. It wasn't just a prank, but a way of explaining just how dangerous the Hulk was. And how she had no idea.
MCU has Hulk at 8'2" and Korg at 7'7". Yet in Endgame when Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard, Korg towered over Hulk. Also, Thanos is listed at 8'3". In the comics he's only 6'7".
@@JoeR203 ur being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it's the highest grossing rated R films of all time for a reason, ur either a dioshit for not giving a shit about it or ur trying too hard to be counter to culture that ur taking a full 360 degree spin.
This gonna sound out of pocket but I didn't like him in Ragnorok. It would've been better if after he landed on sacar he started reflecting and thinking rationally and speaking somewhat coherently not like Banner or professor hulk but like a creature with frightening intelligence to the point you'd think twice before trying pull up on the Hulk something similar to EMH. That version of hulk is the best IMO
@@JoshAllen-f4e The Hulk is if Frankenstein’s Mosnter mixed with Mr Hyde, and Bruce Banner is if Victor Frankenstein mixed with Dr Jekyll were a superhero. Both of those stories are tragic because humanity are more the barbaric monsters than literal the barbaric monsters. Hulk is a tragedy because Bruce/Hulk are good and heroes but society makes them think they are not.
The thing is that they don’t give Hulk orders, they tell Hulk to do something he was pretty much gonna do anyway with the only limit being “only smash the bad guys”. Sure, overtime the Hulk comes around and identifies the avengers as his teammates, and later on, Captain America as the leader. But even then, they aren’t really ordering him around. They’re just telling him to do something he was gonna do anyway. It’s less like giving orders and more like hyping him up.
I wouldn't say he lost his fight to Ironman in AoU. He was destroying Tony's Hulkbuster suit, and in turn was destroying the city. Once he noticed the destruction he was causing, he considerably calmed down, and Tony snuck him. That's the same as claiming Goku lost to Majin Vegeta because he turned his back and got sucker punched.
I can’t believe that they fumbled my boy it shouldn’t have even been THAT hard to write him just look at avengers mightiest hero’s if you really want him to be a team player and all that
The only way I can like the hulk again is if Dr. Strange accidentally teleport another Green Hulk variant that lives up to the true embodiment of the hulk
You hit the nail on the head in every aspect of the Hulk in the MCU. He's not the Hulk, he's the Julk (Joke)..... I hate how Hulk has been handled and he's been very misused in the MCU and I really wish someone somewhere would make us a proper Hulk movie outside of the MCU.
Agreed 100%. Even though I love Age of Ultron, both Hulk’s & Banner’s characterizations were destroyed starting with that movie 😭 I just hope when the MCU soft reboots after Secret Wars that they’ll get some much needed redemption.
You’re acting like Iron Man is just a citizen. Not only is he one of the smartest people on Earth, he also worked on the Hulkbuster to counteract specifically the Hulk. Which is why he doesn’t use it anywhere else. Also Bruce helped him.
Exactly!, he is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily, Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
Not even the way he got effortlessly packed up but they make him look like a coward since IF and made a MASSIVE character development offscreen and not even a rematch they disrespected my boy
Even with the Universal Studios has the Rights Excuse, I won’t forget Marvel Studios for what they did to the Hulk and Ruffalo ruined it as Well as the Russo Brothers did that Hulk should be Recasted
@@YourBoyVon "Copium", You specific Marvel fans are the reason shitty writing is tolerated and why Disney Studios make crappy movies knowing ya'll will it whatever shit they give out to ya'll.
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Exactly, dude is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily, Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
I get why people and comic book fans miss the OG Hulk but i have to say professor hulk gets no respect for saving the universe, just like Ant man doesn't get the respect he deserves in Quantumania.
They should've given him a rematch with Thanos just have him serve Captain Marvel's role in the final battle. By making him green Bruce, they took away what made him interesting. His forever curse as the Hulk. Even with Professor Hulk they could've had Hulk be tired of Bruce being in charge and he wants out. Throughout the film have Bruce struggle with keeping Hulk inside. Then he just lets go by the end.
I agree with you. They nerved him cause he’s too op and will make others in the mcu look like garbage. Other than that,hulk would have murdered thanos. Every time you hit hulk,he gets angry and the more angrier he gets,the more stronger he gets. Plus he heals himself too.
as a kid I loved the hulk and as he was this badass monster who when he got hurt and beat in a fight simply became angrier and more violent making him a feared beast not some random c-tier hero whos power is just being kinda strong he was unstoppable it was main question of the film whether or not he even could be beat
It’s bad enough Hulk can’t even have his own villains anymore. Bi-Beast is a Thor villain, Abomination is a Shang Chi villain, Leader & Red Hulk are Captain America villains, what next? The U-Foes become Fantastic Four villains? Okay, I get that the U-Foes are evil versions of the Fantastic Four, but those guys have been Hulk villains since their debut & what happened to Betty after the 2008 movie?
What they should’ve done was let hulk keep the brains of banner to help him survive on his own instead of banner just taking over hulks body, during those 5 years between infinity war and endgame hulk could’ve just been in the wilderness with the peace that he wanted
The thing about The Hulkbuster Iron Man is that, it's not really stronger than The Hulk. It has a sedative function built into its fists meant to put the Hulk to sleep, and even with that, shown in the movie, Tony was still having a hard time. He wasn't "winning" in the traditional sense. His win condition is putting The Hulk to sleep.
Hey you! The guy in the video! Lemme just say that putting the Hulk and Black Widow in a relationship wasn’t a bad decision. It was a good decision that wasn’t handled well and Betty’s old news.
Mark Ruffalo did a good job as the banner but it's as if Edward Norton stayed. The Hulk would be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU because Norton understood how the Hulk should work
I agree that Hulk shouldn’t have lost to Thanos that easily the fight should've lasted a bit longer. I also think Hulk should have been a part of the final battle in Endgame
I think the respective critical bombings of both Hulk and The Incredible Hulk are why Disney relegated Hulk to a supporting character in other movies and shows than his own protagonist.
If Disney is Smart they'd Buy the rights to Hulk from Sony and when they do they should make individual Hulk Movies to fill in the Gaps in his timelines between when he features in His Marvel Cross-Overs ,that way they can Make his transition into whatever they turned him into ,Hulk lacks individual Character Development unlike all the other Characters
So Thanos should have been Darkseid (Snyder Cut) BEFORE Snyder Cut and Thanos should have been at least critically injured by Hulk and reacting accordingly throughout the movie before EVENTUALLY still winning. Unless I'm mistaken the scenario where Thanos comes back from getting smashed ( *pause* ) by Hulk and still winning seems more appealing. Then there's Endgame Hulk who should have had EXTRA incentive to LEVEL UP and NOT have his arm SHRIVEL UP after using the Infinity Stones nevermind FIGHTING alongside the other heroes before AND after using the stones. Hulk should have been Captain Marvel level at that point, imo. Technically Hulk has UNLIMITED potential in COMICS anyway. Yay, characters being NERFED except Captain Plank who talked in interviews like "she was the strongest there is." Oh yeah, The Incredible Hulk gave us the "Hulk SMASH" line. Guess we won't be getting the "Hulk is the strongest there is!"...oh well! Based on this video a better Age Of Ultron fight should have been a Hulk/Thor rematch or a Iron Man/Thor 2V1. Sort of like an amalgamation of the fight in the first Avenger between Iron Man, Thor and Captain America alongside CA, IM and Winter Soldier in CA Civil War but obviously before all that hypothetically.
I was so disgusted by She-Hulk basically saying that Hulk doesn’t know what pain is.
Bruce literally tried to off himself.
One of my favorite quotes from the first Avengers movie
"I got low. I didn't see an end, so I put a bullet in my mouth, and the other guy spit it out"
He has so much damn trouble trying to control that side of him that the man literally got suicidal.
………….were we supposed to like her?
Why did you get angry lmao it literally a tv show about a women
When people have everything handed to them they think they know it all when they don’t
@@jadenseymour1920 that’s the whole point the tv show is about Jennifer and how she sees the world not how you do and she does not know all the things Bruce went through as a child or for being the hulk
I was fine with Hulk losing to Thanos, but I was expecting Hulk to get Revenge later in the movie.
Same here.
Hulk will never beat thanos same as he will never beat Thor lmao Thor and thanos was made to be stronger than the hulk Stan Lee stated Thor was the character he made to be the answer to every problem
@@JoshAllen-f4e he just beat thanos this week💀
@@JoshAllen-f4e hulk just beat thanos this week
They literally had the scrapped scene where the hulk would bust out of the hulk buster armour but for some reason they decided to change it last minute which is why the cgi is shit
First Norton Hulk got removed from reality, then Ruffalo Hulk got neutered. Now we’re left with grumpy Han Solo Hulk who’s going to be entirely fed up with the role after he’s in the MCU for one movie, *HELP US HULK FANS OUT PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAASE!*
What are you talking about, Norton's and ruffalo's Hulk are the same Hulk
@@YourBoyVonthere same but look at difference between Hulk as a character in the incredible Hulk movie and today mcu Hulk he was good in 1 avengers movie and age of Ultron too.
@Ningamer-bo7ej oh my bad, I understand what you were trying to say now
@@YourBoyVonI'm sick of that talk, they are not, their portrayal aren't the same, Norton's hulk is at least a fraction of the comics
@emperordavid2044 Just because you don't accept it doesn't mean it's not true
In my honest opinion the best interpretations of the hulk we ever got was The Hulk (2003) and The Incredible Hulk (2008)
Same. I loved the 2003 Hulk. I know a bunch of people didn't like it, but I never looked at it like it was superhero film. I looked at it like it was a character drama because that's what it was. A man who has a bunch of repressed trauma and abuse and he still has nightmares about his childhood. When he becomes the Hulk, it's the inner child in him lashing out. But when he's finally alone and at peace, the Hulk likes to look at flowers. It's a very underrated film. I found it to be extremely moving.
2008 never showed how strong hulk was though tht what made it trash
@@JoshAllen-f4enever showed how strong he was bro what
@@JoshAllen-f4eBudget dude
Agreed
Hulk was acknowledged as Hulk not Banner by Captain America, so it might explain why he was on board for the Avengers battle.
Zactly. If he was a baby in the Incredible Hulk, then he was a child being acknowledged by an adult. Cap made him happy.
And I always figured the Always Angry thing was part of Banner having a tighter control on the Hulk psychologically. If he's a child, then Banner learned how to reason with him, but he can't predict temper tantrums.
And finally, they Should have had Thanos at least need to relay on the Power Stone AND his wits to beat Hulk.
You perfectly explained how i felt about the Hulkbuster scene in Age of Ultron. I may not be an avid comic book reader, but from the research I've done on this topic, Tony Stark has fought the Hulk with a Hulkbuster on 5 different occasions, and of those 5 fights, 4 of them resulted in the suit being absolutely demolished. The last one saw Tony win, but only because the suit used in that fight was made from the corpse of a Celestial and had to be out down by Thor, but that just goes to show you. Unless he gets some overpowered bs to supe up his suits, Hulkbusters pose little to no threat to canonically one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe
If you watched the movie you would know hulk was gong to win the fight but after seeing everyone bloody and screaming and all the damage he caused he calmed down giving iron man the time to knock him out
@@JoshAllen-f4e Facts. MCU degraded as time went on but that loss was perfectly in character
@@JoshAllen-f4ethe way i saw it was after tony brought him thru the building hulk was dizzy and lookin around at the ppl like u said but he was ready to gts
@@JoshAllen-f4e But ironman still knocked him out anyway, hulk should be strong enough to resist cheap shots like that if you go by comic lore, but that's where people make mistakes mcu hulk is mcu hulk he isn't comicbook hulk who is basically limitless mcu hulk has limits and even ironman is toned down in mcu, his base suits in comics has absurd strength feats while mcu never properly showcased his super strength he needed dozens of thrusters to push a ferry in homecoming while classic armor ironman in comic was towing 5 warships with pure strength. Ironman also had so many abilities and weapons in comics which were never shown in mcu they reduced him to just flying, shooting repulsors and body slams, so it goes both ways almost every character from comic is nerfed in mcu because mcu isn't trying to adapt them accurately , mcu characters are just the interpretations of comic characters in my opinion.
As a person who reads comics
Yes
Hulk has consistently whooped the hulkbuster
Matter of fact
The hulkbusters first ever appearence and L to hulk was against PROFESSOR hulk
The 2003 Hulk was THE hulk, no debate
Nah
It’s so annoying how they SAY he’s strong and scary and all this stuff but when it comes to his fighting scenes it’s like, where is that? Bruce is always afraid of bringing him out bc of how destructive he is, but if literally like 3 people on his team can either win in a fight against him or calm him down there’s no pointtttttt I HATE when movies tell and not show
Did you not see Hulk pre Professor Hulk?. Literally yappin
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 yea he’s powerful, and breaks things, destroys things, but just like how WRMZ, says in this video, it’s underwhelming when you have so many people who can defeat him ykwim? He’s still powerful and scary in a way, but the way that Banner talks abt it would make you think it would be more, yk? Like it’s over exaggerated how powerful and scary he is, when in reality, he can be controlled, and people can stop him
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286pre-professor hulk got his ass beat by Ironman, Thor, thanos and is calmed down by black widow, I’d be surprised if mjolnir captain America couldn’t beat him 😂
@@4NNEL15he can’t be controlled nor stopped, he tore apart the helicarrier because Loki knew how destructive he was, Thor struggled with him, he easily took down Loki, the big alien worm thing (idk what it’s called) was only taken down by him alone and then Thor (who is a god)
@@alcyon7536pre professor hulk dog walked the hulk buster suit, it only took for him to get weaker thanks to him seeing the destruction he made and the people afraid of him
I agree with you. I remember watching both 2003 and 2008 Hulk. I was so terrified of them. Granted, I only saw one scene of 2003 Hulk attacking a guy and basically leaving him for dead, but it was enough to scar me for some time. 2008 Hulk is the one film that will always terrify me in terms of the Hulk. How they ruined such a perfectly terrifying hero, I will never know..😔
for f sake marvel, just make an R rated Hulk movie already, or let sony do it. Stop neutering ma boy, come on man.
Sony doesn’t own hulk movie rights, universal does, but it ain’t like universal does shit with it, they could easily make a movie but they decide not to, marvel is only allowed to use him in cameos that’s why we haven’t gotten a sequel, I think if we got a trilogy people would be ok with Professor hulk. Basically I’d say universal just give up the hulk and Namor movies right if you ain’t gonna do anything with them
@@kaeaedwin7937 Yeah I agree with u bro, probably why the mcu doesnt care about the hulk, they dont have the rights. How does it work, cant they buy the rights or something?
@@spacepirate8355 aight so basically Universal owns the MOVIE rights to hulk and Namor franchise (this happened because marvel was going bankrupt so they would sell their movie licenses to movie companies. Now from what’s been said Marvel is allow to borrow hulk in other projects that aren’t hulk focused movies, so they can have hulk in avengers, Ironman, Thor and etc. but weren’t allowed to make a solo hulk film unless under the conditions that whatever money a hulk movie would make universal will get most of the profits. So when they made Incredible Hulk, even tho marvel made it, majority of profits would go to universal. So the reason we don’t have a hulk sequel or another hulk film is because neither side wants the other to more money off em, so Disney doesn’t want universal to have majority of the profit if they made one and universal doesn’t wanna let go of rights because they know how lucrative the hulk franchise can be so they’ve just been at a stalemate since 2008
@@spacepirate8355 so if you want someone to blame it’s the suits at Disney and universal that don’t one or the other to have a monopoly
@@kaeaedwin7937 Capitalism at its finest eh
You know what the worst part of all this is? It's that this problem will never get solved. With the Russo brothers and Stephen McFeely coming back to write and direct Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, it means we're never going to see the real Hulk again because why would they try to fix the Hulk now? So, either Doctor Doom effortlessly defeats either Hulk, Thor or Captain Marvel after he wipes out the Kang variants, those characters will just be trash for the remainder of the saga.
I said it before I'll say it again Ang Lee's Hulk is an underrated masterpiece
Exactly
I remember renting that movie in a hotel absolutely bloody ages ago :)
I wish they had Hulk beating up Thanos to the point Thanos used the Space Stone to teleport Hulk to outer space to Earth. Having Thanos outsmart Hulk instead of overpowering would been way better. I’m not saying Hulk is undefeatable, it’s just when it comes to Brute Strength and Physical Combat, it completely loses Hulk’s Concept of “Strongest There Is”.
Do u understand how powerful Thanos is?
@@Juggernaut49859hulk wouldn't care.
@@Juggernaut49859oh yeah
And he finna get row dogged by hulk if it wasn't for plot armor 😂😂😂
Like bruh if he wasn't the main villain the story would've ended waaaaaaay sooner
@@seijin4426 He would once he gets dropped
@@aymanbouyaya4759 Hulk fanboy spotted
Bruce is always angry and when he loses CONTROL over that anger than he turns into the hulk. When you’re mad enough to fight someone you still can choose to control yourself and not get into a fight or lose control and get into a fight.
The ending of the Incredible Hulk shows Banner learning how to turn into the Hulk by will by his eyes glowing green and him smiling.
It's hard to see your favorite superhero get done so dirty for so long. But at least in the comics, he just recently humbled thanos something fierce
Wait a second
In what run ?
@@aymanbouyaya4759 just look it up
hulk is like a toddler he’ll listen some times but he also throws a tantrum some times
Hulk is more than that tho, look at any of his previous material and you'll immediately change your mind. The MCU hulk is a dumb toddler, but not who Hulk should be as a character
WRMZ is genuinely becoming one of my favourite Lore to Character Debunkers because he's EXPOSING these Disney writers😂😂😂😂.
They did hulk dirty
Big time
i think Marvel don't have the rights to the Hulk
Probably
Universal own him I’m pretty sure
afaik they got the rights to Hulk back from Universal somewhat recently
They haven't had distribution rights to hulk movies for a while, so they couldn't make solo hulk films without Universal, only able to have him in avengers or other character films. They got the rights back somewhat recently, so they can make more if they want
The timing of this video is impeccable, I was literally going back and rewatching the 2003 and 2008 Hulk movies and am even going as far back as the 60s/70s Bill Bixby Hulk TV Series to watch a couple episodes. Going through the movies, I reminded myself of just how badly Marvel fumbled the bag with Hulk in the MCU. Can’t say it’s all their fault because of all the rights issues that were pertaining to Hulk’s character, but they definitely didn’t even really try hard enough to give us a great Hulk. They even went so far as to take one of his most well-known and important comics and watered it down to a completely unrecognizable comedy film. The sad part of it all is that it’s too late to even attempt to do anything with his character or give him another solo movie because all his “story arcs” have all been done in other films. The only hope we have is if they follow through with their reboot after Secret Wars and we get new actors and new stories, hopefully we get the chance to have a better represented Hulk on the big screen.
I hope MCU fix Hulk soon
Don’t forget Abomination.
Imagine if instead of getting green Mark Ruffulo in End Game, we got the gray Hulk. He’s still a smart Hulk, but now instead of a raging monster, you get a cold, malicious, near anti-villain of a Hulk.
Bruce being always angry is where 2008 hulk movie left off, he integrates his anger rather then suppress it and letting it bottled up turning him into hulk. his transition between him and hulk is so seamless in New York cuz he tamed anger/hulk. Which leaves the audience the question if hulk Bruce are the same person or not.
he couldn’t tame Hulk earlier in the film cuz Loki.
You spoke facts, WRMZ. The Hulk has been absolute trash since Age Of Ultron and I still don't know why Joss Wheadon made Black Widow and Hulk lovers when those two characters have nothing in common. Black Widow is all about stealth and guile, Hulk is a 7'0 green rage monster who screams "Hulk smash" at the top of his lungs, I don't know how Joss Wheadon got the idea to cook up a scenario where Black Widow could end up with the Hulk when she flirted with Captain America in The Winter Solider.
8:29 "Hulk is by far the strongest avenger" while the avenger that can rival him is on screen
Nah the Hulk is the strongest
The Hulk is stronger than Thor. Thor is just better at aiming his powers and has better technique.
Lmao a lot of ppl in these comments don’t really know the hulk they think he supposed to just be angry and smash everything when it more complex than tht many times in the comic hulk hates causing destruction for no reason
In defense of Iron Man beating Hulk, Bruce did say that he helped design Veronica just incase something like that ever happened
Bruce also helped Tony design the hulk buster in the comics, however when hulk got a hold of the suit he wrecked it to shreds
I guess if the MCU is going to keep the Hulk as a joke, then Red Hulk will be the stand in for what the Hulk used to be. Since Red Hulk is already the main antagonist in Brave New World, however he's defeated he won't really go away since Ross is the President now and will probably still be featured in the Thunderbolts. So since Red Hulk will still have a menacing presence, perhaps he'll just carry the vibe that the real Hulk did back in 2008. If this is done right, I supposed this could be a "salvageable replacement."
@ItsWRMZ
🤦♂️ The "I'm always angry" line is just something that's supposed to sound cool and isn't meant to be taken literally.
Hulk listened to Cap because he hadn't attacked Hulk and because what he told Hulk to do is "smash", which Hulk loves to do. Remember, he did punch Thor later on during the Battle of New York because he remembered that Thor attacked him on the Helicarrier.
Black Widow presumably calmed down the Hulk because they had no way of knowing how long it would take for him to revert back to Bruce Banner after their battle against those Hydra members, and they didn't want to have to worry about him potentially causing damage to the quinjet that the Avengers use when they would go to leave & return to Avengers Tower(AKA Stark Tower).
Hulk actually did pretty well against the Hulkbuster Armor for most of his fight with Iron Man. The only reason that he didn't win the fight is because he got distracted when he realized what he had done after he got snapped out of whatever hallucinations he was having that Wanda Maximoff caused him to have, which gave Tony the opportunity to knock Hulk unconscious. Hulk tends to revert back to Bruce when he gets knocked unconscious, so that's presumably what happened after Tony knocked out the Hulk.
Before 'The Avengers 3: Infinity War', everything was good when it came to the Hulk in the MCU franchise.
Not only that but hulk got blasted with gas in the fight, not to mention the Bruce helped build the hulkbuster.
The treatment thor got in the mcu is arguably even worse than the hulk
From a thousand years old warrior god to complete clown
Thor from Lat still has really good feats not even close to the amount of embarrassment Hulk got
@@SalvoEdits i meant in terms of writing for the character
4:40
Exactly. Much as I love Hulk, him being used *very* sparingly in the films would've been the best way to establish his raw power. He would've been kinda like Thanos. The looming danger of him is what builds the fear and hype around him. You don't know when he'll come, you don't even know if he WILL. You just know he *could* . And that thought alone is terrifying enough. That right there is the Hulk presence I want. The lack of Hulk presence would give him a strong presence to the audience, if that makes any sense. It would've made the moments he was unleashed much more impactful. To let you know shit got real.
I think Hulk is a character you build *around* , not ontop of. That's not to say Hulk can't change, it's moreso that his change can't be tied to only when we see him. And no, I don't mean offscreen, ew.
It's such a damn shame Universal has the rights to him. Those rights that they're doing fuck all with. I've been into the Hulk ever since I was a kid. Ironically enough though, the MCU was how I was introduced to the character. After Avengers, I was a Hulkomaniac. He was my favorite Avenger, and when I talk about him like this and think about the depth and potential depth of him, he still is. In the MCU he's one of the least interesting characters when he honestly should be one of the most.
In recent years I've sorta forgotten about the poor fella. With the way he was treated in the MCU, my hype and passion for him died off slowly. I was still hype whenever he showed up, but those moments became fewer and fewer. I was excited in Ragnarok about his bout with Thor, but honestly his entrance is better than the fight. The buildup is intense and cool, you see puffs of green gas throughout the audience, they're cheering loud as hell as he breaks through the wall. It's genuinely awesome, I've never related more to a fictional audience in my life. The fight was alright and the Loki callback was fun, but the buildup and initial entrance was so much better by comparison. Then came Infinity War. Seeing Hulk get clapped so easily hurt. A lot. But I expected that to setup an eventual rematch and redemption. I was alright with the whole Hulk being disobedient. At the time I saw this as a crazy amount of setup for the King's return. Then Professor Hulk happened and my interest in him flatlined.
I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm desperate. Desperate as hell. I am so fucking desperate for SOMETHING to reinvigorate my love for Hulk. Marvel's Avengers was a flicker of hope. Then I saw the shit talk and bad reviews on it. And *even then* I was so desperate that I STILL played the game just because I wanted to play as Hulk so badly, even if it sucked.
I'm dry. The kid in me who loved Hulk so much that he bought and wore the absolute hell outta the Hulk hands has been dry for years and it really hurts. Genuinely. I'm just so angry and sad that it feels like no one cares about him anymore. I know that's not true, but man does it feel like it sometimes.
And this is coming from a guy who has never touched a comic book in his entire life. Literally, the Avengers movies and Incredible Hulk (2008) are all that have been fueling this insane love for this character. No matter how wrong they do him, I can never stop loving this character. And god, I can't even begin to imagine how horrible it is for Hulk fans who've been fans longer than I have, consumed so much more Hulk media than I have. Ugh. This just feels bad.
They deserve better. Hulk and Bruce deserve better.
You SMOKED the nail on the head on this one
Why do people think Hulk was losing against the hulkbuster 🤦♂️
Despite all the good points you make, I have to disagree on one thing. Your statements about how it’s embarrassing the Hulk lost to the Hulkbuster.
The Hulkbuster isn’t just some buff suit of armor. It’s a suit of armor Tony Stark made with the sole and only purpose of being a countermeasure for if the Hulk were to go rogue, it’s a suit of armor specifically designed to deal with Hulk created by one of if not the smartest person alive. Not to mention, during that entire fight, Iron Man was pretty much getting his ass handed to him. Meanwhile, the Hulk was not slowing down or getting tired in the slightest Iron Man with constantly having to call in repairs and replacements for pieces of his armor. While the worst the Hulk had was simply losing a tooth, and that only made him more mad.
It took an endless amount of beatings and having an entire building, dropped on him to even knock him out and being able to knock the Hulk unconscious would be considered an extraordinary feat.
If we’re comparing to other versions of the hulk in the comics the Devil Hulk from the Immortal Hulk comic ripped apart the Hulkbuster like nothing
@@Ricky-hl2iz
Comparing superheroes from comics to their movie counterparts in terms of power is really unfair because the comic versions tend to either be utterly pitiful or the most broken character ever conceived.
For example. MCU Drax is, physically, an absolute unit. Capable of flipping over police cars with next to no effort. While he’s super strong, he’s not invincible. We see a guy pull out a massive laser canon and it still hurts him. But this attack would make incinerate most people. It only knocks Drax back a bit. He gets hit by it a few more times and all it does is bring him to his knees. And even then, we see he’s completely fine after they leave the Orgocorp building and is given some time to rest.
Comic book Drax is literally capable of destroying whole solar systems with no effort whatsoever.
@@theparrishshow9803true, because if you are taking comic hulk then take comic iron man's strongest armors too like godbuster, hard light armor and celestial armor, within the context of mcu hulkbuster vs hulk made sense.
Hulkbuster Armour never won a fight with the Hulk in Comics!!
Movie makers should remain true to thir source material
Hulk in comics can shit on both iron man and captain marvel any second
How did MCU Hulk go from being a highlight and the best part of the movie he was into a after thought
Since no one wants to point out the problems with this video I guess I have to. problem 1 iron Man beating the hulk in Age of Ultron makes perfect sense in the movie. because hulk was winning the entire time. the only reason he lost in end is because the mind control he was under ended. which made him calm down and see all the damage he caused. and since iron Man didn't know his mind control ended and the hulk was going to transform back to Bruce banner in a minute. he snuck attack the hulk when he wasn't paying attention which knocked him out. Problem number 2 the hulk attacking Black widow and Thor in the middle of the movie. but following Captain America's orders at the end makes perfect sense if you've actually seen the movie. because the reason why the hulk was out of control in the middle of the movie was because everybody's emotions was out of control on The shield helicarrier due to the mind Stone making everyone angry. that was literally Loki's plan. his plan was for everyone to anger Bruce banner make the hulk transform and go out of control due to the mind Stone. and that would bring down shield and the avengers for him so that makes perfect sense. as for the reason why he followed Captain America's orders it's because literally his only orders was for the hulk to smash which is what he always does. also because the hulk takes orders from The avengers all the time in the comics and TV shows
As for the third and final problem with this video. Bruce banner saying he's always angry makes perfect sense because it's literally factually true. weather in the comics. TV shows. or movies. Because he was abused and hated ever since he was born by his father who thought he was a monster. his mother was killed by his father for defending Bruce. he was bullied in school because he was smarter than everyone which made everyone jealous and because he was antisocial due to being abused and hated all his life. and that's only a tiny piece of how horrible his life is so yes Bruce banner is always angry. the reason why he doesn't transform all the time is because he's surprising his anger. but yes he could transform anytime he wants to. he just has to think about how his father beat his mother to death. anybody who knows the hulk would know this that's why I was incredibly disappointed by this video. because it was an incredibly easy video to make. all you had to do was talk about how the MCU ruined the hulk after infinity war. instead you said things in this video that makes me think you might not have even seen the older MCU movies more than one time a decade ago
Imagine if the Hulk personality trapped in the back seat of Bruce's mind breaks out he will be more pissed then he's ever been that could possibly be a new version of world war Hulk
Devil Hulk
What really bothers me, is that they already used up elements from Worldbreaker Hulk. One of the best comic books stories, DC or Marvel.
So, even if we get to a place where we can get the X-Men and the Illuminati and the Inhumans in one movie they cant do Worldbreaker cause they wasted it on Ragnorok.
That shit pisses me off.
Actually they are desperate enough to bring back Uber antagonist Hulk to fight Wolverine
Hulk peaked in age of Ultron
4:40 - This is 100% correct if Iron Man can beat him then he deserves no place on the Avengers being the "muscle" when Iron Man already does that.
There is two or three people i want to blame in the mess of Hulk character
1. Universal
2. Feige and the Studio
3. F***in Russo Brother
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To quote Stan Lee " the madder he gets , the stronger he gets"
MCU "what?"
Also notice how the first movies are more grounded like Iron Man 1, Hulk 2008, Captan America 1 even Thor 1 but later on they get to laught at a pull my finger joke
The characters have been nerfed in live action ever since Disney bought Marvel.
Personally I think Ironman just got a lucky hit in with Hulk. I found that movie to be goated but I can see your point. Hopefully Marvel say that this is just Banner's personality weakening the Hulk and one day show World Breaker Hulk.
And for Infinity War, Thanos did have the Power stone, so maybe not too much of a beat down.
Thanos was cheating.
he lost to Iron Man. He is not hulk anymore. He is an oversized green bean. I can’t believe they did him like this.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
They seriously fumbled and it's such a shame because Mark Ruffalo is a great actor
This is why I stick to animation over live action Hulk is an absolute menace in animation.
I can't believe this is only your 21st video. This was *SO* good! Like, *really!!*
Your editing style, your script, the arguments you made and the receipts to back 'em up, I loved this!
Plus, you're probably the only content creator I've come across that's actually called out Ragnarok for being a dumb jokey cartoon of a movie, I've been saying that for years lol!!
Fantastic work, bro! I've subbed and will now binge some more of your content 👍😊
Only point where I will disagree with you is “if Iron-Man can beat the Hulk in a fight, he’s stronger”
I’ve seen enough anime to know that:
Wining a fight against someone =/= being stronger than someone
I hope they use the multiverse to bring back a respectable hulk in into the MCU. (And hopefully fight red hulk)
Don't think anything could beat that moment where Black Widow says "I swear on my life." and that was what guaranteed Hulk's appearance. Bruce Banner being constantly irritated, but contained, was a nice way of showing how much control he had gained since the Incredible Hulk Movie. And him snapping at Natasha was really because it was the second time she lied to him.
The first being in that shack and he scares her. It wasn't just a prank, but a way of explaining just how dangerous the Hulk was. And how she had no idea.
MCU has Hulk at 8'2" and Korg at 7'7". Yet in Endgame when Hulk went to get Thor in New Asgard, Korg towered over Hulk. Also, Thanos is listed at 8'3". In the comics he's only 6'7".
They do the same with Deadpool and wolverine, are u going to complain about the height difference between them when it also isn't comic book accurate?
@@xxxmitty9714 Nope. Because I don't give a $hit about Deadpool and Wolverine.
@@JoeR203 ur being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, it's the highest grossing rated R films of all time for a reason, ur either a dioshit for not giving a shit about it or ur trying too hard to be counter to culture that ur taking a full 360 degree spin.
This gonna sound out of pocket but I didn't like him in Ragnorok. It would've been better if after he landed on sacar he started reflecting and thinking rationally and speaking somewhat coherently not like Banner or professor hulk but like a creature with frightening intelligence to the point you'd think twice before trying pull up on the Hulk something similar to EMH. That version of hulk is the best IMO
idk why ppl hate 2012-2015 hulk so much, he was goated
Joss Whedon understood that Bruce Banner/The Hulk is a tragic character.
@@petermj1098and 2008 hulk didn’t show no tragedy yet y’all like it lmao
@@JoshAllen-f4e The Hulk is if Frankenstein’s Mosnter mixed with Mr Hyde, and Bruce Banner is if Victor Frankenstein mixed with Dr Jekyll were a superhero. Both of those stories are tragic because humanity are more the barbaric monsters than literal the barbaric monsters. Hulk is a tragedy because Bruce/Hulk are good and heroes but society makes them think they are not.
2012 hulk is good though
This guy forgot that
Hulk was manipulated in mind stone
In avengers 1 that's why he started to attack other avengers
The thing is that they don’t give Hulk orders, they tell Hulk to do something he was pretty much gonna do anyway with the only limit being “only smash the bad guys”. Sure, overtime the Hulk comes around and identifies the avengers as his teammates, and later on, Captain America as the leader. But even then, they aren’t really ordering him around. They’re just telling him to do something he was gonna do anyway. It’s less like giving orders and more like hyping him up.
I wouldn't say he lost his fight to Ironman in AoU. He was destroying Tony's Hulkbuster suit, and in turn was destroying the city. Once he noticed the destruction he was causing, he considerably calmed down, and Tony snuck him. That's the same as claiming Goku lost to Majin Vegeta because he turned his back and got sucker punched.
The 'leave me alone' scene from the incredible hulk movie was both cool and scary to me as a kid.
I can’t believe that they fumbled my boy it shouldn’t have even been THAT hard to write him just look at avengers mightiest hero’s if you really want him to be a team player and all that
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes is legit.
You are talking straight facts about MCU Hulk they have absolutely failed him. 1:43 I absolutely miss 2008 version of Hulk 3000
The only way I can like the hulk again is if Dr. Strange accidentally teleport another Green Hulk variant that lives up to the true embodiment of the hulk
You hit the nail on the head in every aspect of the Hulk in the MCU. He's not the Hulk, he's the Julk (Joke)..... I hate how Hulk has been handled and he's been very misused in the MCU and I really wish someone somewhere would make us a proper Hulk movie outside of the MCU.
Agreed 100%. Even though I love Age of Ultron, both Hulk’s & Banner’s characterizations were destroyed starting with that movie 😭
I just hope when the MCU soft reboots after Secret Wars that they’ll get some much needed redemption.
You’re acting like Iron Man is just a citizen. Not only is he one of the smartest people on Earth, he also worked on the Hulkbuster to counteract specifically the Hulk. Which is why he doesn’t use it anywhere else. Also Bruce helped him.
Exactly!, he is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily,
Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
Not even the way he got effortlessly packed up but they make him look like a coward since IF and made a MASSIVE character development offscreen and not even a rematch they disrespected my boy
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bro his the nail on the head with this one
I agree with the fact that he's been nerfed
They tried the brutal monster Hulk in 2008 and no one liked it
It’s so funny to me Hulk is one of the few avengers to NOT have a solo movie post-2014
Crazy the hulk was my favorite superhero back when I was a kid then got turned off cause of the mcu
Finally someone that agrees! 2008 Hulk was peak hulk for the MCU. I’ve never met anyone else that thinks that
Even with the Universal Studios has the Rights Excuse, I won’t forget Marvel Studios for what they did to the Hulk and Ruffalo ruined it as Well as the Russo Brothers did that Hulk should be Recasted
Thats why for me people OVERRATED the Age of Ultron movie, it was Mid to me but the Main villian was good
Lies' age of ultron was solid
@@YourBoyVon "Copium", You specific Marvel fans are the reason shitty writing is tolerated and why Disney Studios make crappy movies knowing ya'll will it whatever shit they give out to ya'll.
@denzelrobert your simpleton that why you don't understand the gem they with age of ultron
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@denzelrobert not even star-war Fan, I don't shit about that show
The iron man slander is crazy
Exactly, dude is just downplaying iron man, Hulk loosing to iron man isn't an antifeat for hulk as mcu iron man is pretty strong too he made thanos bleed, took power stone attacks and can channel thor's lightning and resist all 6 infinity stones energies momentarily,
Iron man is one of the strongest guys in marvel comics too with his godbuster, thorbuster and celestial armors he can possibly beat even comic hulk in my opinion with those armors.
We need an immoral Hulk comic book run. Turns Hulk back into a monster
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Atleast we have Zimuat Animations Hulk
To Banner's credit, he did help in constructing an Infinity Gauntlet.
"I'm always angry" is just a cold line. You don't need to take it so seriously
I get why people and comic book fans miss the OG Hulk but i have to say professor hulk gets no respect for saving the universe, just like Ant man doesn't get the respect he deserves in Quantumania.
I heard professor hulk was actually pretty cool in the comics. I wish they adapted him better instead of just making him banner in hulk's skin
We could have professor hulk if they did him how they did in the comics and show. Smart and Intimidating as fuck.
They should've given him a rematch with Thanos just have him serve Captain Marvel's role in the final battle. By making him green Bruce, they took away what made him interesting. His forever curse as the Hulk. Even with Professor Hulk they could've had Hulk be tired of Bruce being in charge and he wants out. Throughout the film have Bruce struggle with keeping Hulk inside. Then he just lets go by the end.
I agree with you. They nerved him cause he’s too op and will make others in the mcu look like garbage. Other than that,hulk would have murdered thanos. Every time you hit hulk,he gets angry and the more angrier he gets,the more stronger he gets. Plus he heals himself too.
I miss hulk of 2008 please come back Edward Norton was and still the best hulk of all and forever
as a kid I loved the hulk and as he was this badass monster who when he got hurt and beat in a fight simply became angrier and more violent making him a feared beast not some random c-tier hero whos power is just being kinda strong he was unstoppable it was main question of the film whether or not he even could be beat
It’s bad enough Hulk can’t even have his own villains anymore. Bi-Beast is a Thor villain, Abomination is a Shang Chi villain, Leader & Red Hulk are Captain America villains, what next? The U-Foes become Fantastic Four villains? Okay, I get that the U-Foes are evil versions of the Fantastic Four, but those guys have been Hulk villains since their debut & what happened to Betty after the 2008 movie?
What they should’ve done was let hulk keep the brains of banner to help him survive on his own instead of banner just taking over hulks body, during those 5 years between infinity war and endgame hulk could’ve just been in the wilderness with the peace that he wanted
The thing about The Hulkbuster Iron Man is that, it's not really stronger than The Hulk. It has a sedative function built into its fists meant to put the Hulk to sleep, and even with that, shown in the movie, Tony was still having a hard time. He wasn't "winning" in the traditional sense. His win condition is putting The Hulk to sleep.
I like the video but he includes a meme every other minute like damn
Ayy W editing, vid funny ash😭😭😭
You should make another video like this on how the MCU has also failed Thor
Hey you! The guy in the video! Lemme just say that putting the Hulk and Black Widow in a relationship wasn’t a bad decision. It was a good decision that wasn’t handled well and Betty’s old news.
Hulk should be at his peak all the time, but instead, we get a stupider version of him and present day😡🤬 2:57
Mark Ruffalo did a good job as the banner but it's as if Edward Norton stayed. The Hulk would be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU because Norton understood how the Hulk should work
I agree that Hulk shouldn’t have lost to Thanos that easily the fight should've lasted a bit longer. I also think Hulk should have been a part of the final battle in Endgame
I think the respective critical bombings of both Hulk and The Incredible Hulk are why Disney relegated Hulk to a supporting character in other movies and shows than his own protagonist.
If Disney is Smart they'd Buy the rights to Hulk from Sony and when they do they should make individual Hulk Movies to fill in the Gaps in his timelines between when he features in His Marvel Cross-Overs ,that way they can Make his transition into whatever they turned him into ,Hulk lacks individual Character Development unlike all the other Characters
So Thanos should have been Darkseid (Snyder Cut) BEFORE Snyder Cut and Thanos should have been at least critically injured by Hulk and reacting accordingly throughout the movie before EVENTUALLY still winning.
Unless I'm mistaken the scenario where Thanos comes back from getting smashed ( *pause* ) by Hulk and still winning seems more appealing.
Then there's Endgame Hulk who should have had EXTRA incentive to LEVEL UP and NOT have his arm SHRIVEL UP after using the Infinity Stones nevermind FIGHTING alongside the other heroes before AND after using the stones.
Hulk should have been Captain Marvel level at that point, imo.
Technically Hulk has UNLIMITED potential in COMICS anyway.
Yay, characters being NERFED except Captain Plank who talked in interviews like "she was the strongest there is."
Oh yeah, The Incredible Hulk gave us the "Hulk SMASH" line.
Guess we won't be getting the "Hulk is the strongest there is!"...oh well!
Based on this video a better Age Of Ultron fight should have been a Hulk/Thor rematch or a Iron Man/Thor 2V1.
Sort of like an amalgamation of the fight in the first Avenger between Iron Man, Thor and Captain America alongside CA, IM and Winter Soldier in CA Civil War but obviously before all that hypothetically.