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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2023
- Can the perks of a metal cruise make up for sheer unprofessionalism?
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"Would you be willing to spend thousands of dollars to go to a metal festival when you didn't even know who was going to be playing?" - Yes and they know it
Good for you. Not everyone has thousands of dollars extra cash and plenty of time off work whenever they feel like it.
I'm just guessing here,, I was production assistant for the Ink N Iron festival in Long Beach CA 🇺🇸.. Once we got noticed from the Big Companies,, Golden Voice, live Nation etc.. Bands got told.. us "small" or them .. straight up,, we got told by bands who would just come to the festival, I won't name them here, so this thing, which looks cool,, could've finally grown to much.. or Booking agents suck.. staff isn't even into the Music etc..
They see fun.. they want money for letting them smile
Not everyone but some yes that’s right
Just got back from the cruise, my 8th time. Andy in his end of cruise speech mentioned that there were extra delays this year due to insurance, creditor issues etc due to the pandemic. That said, this is just the way 70k operates and I've come to accept it. With 60 bands unless your tastes are very very niche or specific you should be able to find 10-20 band you will enjoy. I went into this year feeling it was the weakest lineup but landed up discovering a bunch of new bands which I really enjoyed. I tell people all the time, of course the bands are important but it's also about the experience, meeting new friends and catching up with old ones, the pre-show hang in Miami, the excursion experience, running into an artist at the salad bar etc.
So many artists in one place i wonder if any drunks ever picked a fight with one at the bar before a show lmao
I wouldn't say my taste in music is niche, but 10-20 bands in the lineup I like would be amazing. I feel like the boat favors thrash bands, and bands that have been around for decades.
Sure, there are bands on board I've never heard of. Like small unknown bands that get a chance and that I might enjoy... But through the years, I feel like the lineups have been dominated by thrash bands, and bands that have been around for 20+ years. The lineup in 2018 was absolutely amazing in my opinion. Even better than many festivals I've been to! But forking over this kind of money for a lineup I don't know is just too much of a gamble.
For me personally, boat price is one thing, but traveling halfway around the world and paying for hotels before and after, adds to the price premium for me, so I've just stopped going. I just can't justify the price when I don't know the lineup at all. Naturally, boat is for people can afford it. It's a luxury fest. But I expect more at this price point.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVED my trips with boat, but at this price point, the terrible planning is just unacceptable.
I highly doubt that Archspire would ever lower themselves to play 70k. I know I wouldn't if I were them.
I've been going to the Monsters of Rock Cruise for five years. I m just the opposite...I favor hard thrash metal, but the MOR cruise is mostly 80s hair metal bands. I have already reserved my room for my wife and I for next, and there are some good bands playing...ie Accept, Lizzy Borden, and Ace Frehley. Another positive about MOR is that the line up is posted early. However, for 2025, I'm thinking that 70 Tons of Metal might be a welcome change.
@@P0LYBiUS7It's not just the cost of the cruise, which itself is a good bit of money, I also come from across the world (Finland) and the planning and total cost of the trip is pretty much for a dice roll on the bands. Also, you usually have to inform your employer months in advance if you need a week or two off work so last minute decisions are off the table.
As a former multi-year attendee, I enjoyed this video. (2012, 2013, 2015, 2016)
I consider 2012 to be a life altering experience for myself. It was my 1st "major" trip traveling solo (from California). To this day, I get excited sharing my experience from this year to people. It was BY FAR the most fun I've ever had over a 4 day period. I knew I was going the next year before we even hit the port of call. It was like this magical trip that shouldn't be possible.
Then 2013 came and provided what felt like a completely new experience. While still very much a great time, I've come to the personal conclusion that moving to a larger ship killed the "magic" regardless of them adding an additional 20 bands.
I took the next year off and found that I emotionally missed being on the boat.
2015 and 2016 were about the same but I realized I had become more interested in the destination(s) than the on boat experience. Re-creating my 2012 feelings just wasn't and still isn't possible. I no longer miss being on the boat and have moved on to actual destination traveling, especially at today's prices.
While I do believe 70k does deliver a great experience when all is said and done, I agree that the festival's management (communication) is poor at best. I do like the individual announcements as it makes for some wish list anxiety during down times, but beyond 2013 I can't say I ever booked for the lineup so the late announcements weren't much of a bother. I completely understand the frustration this would cause others though. Most notably, the 1st time cruisers.
My 1 sour point was in 2016. On my final bill I saw that I was charged an extra $75 for merchandise I never purchased. The guest service desk said I'd have to talk to 70k, then 70k pushed me back to guest services. I got both of them together and the best either side could do for me is 70k offering to give me $75 off the 2017 booking that I didn't plan to attend. I was even denied additional merchandise upon request to make up the difference. I was given an email to contact, which ended up receiving no response. After a few unanswered phone calls I just gave up and accepted my loss. As somebody who had spent at least $6,000 over 4 trips on the cabins alone, you'd think a simple credit or a t-shirt could have solved the issue presented. Nope. Didn't even receive a "sorry for the error."
70k has had some great employees (Sam and Vincent were awesome), but Andy has always been the mess behind the mess. I remember the year Kamelot was added, then dropped out because they couldn't get a response from the company. Andy doesn't just leave the cruisers in the dark. He ignores his headliners too. It used to be shocking. Now it's basically an expectation. Sad really.
Thank YOU!!!!! I hope the cruise watches this video. All the issues are explained and as you said, we love the cruise, this will be my 5th time on board but MEN!!!! treat your customers with respect, it's not easy to plan a vacation in a few weeks or a couple of months. Once again THANKS!!!
Thanks man! I really do hope 70K see this video too. It's meant to help the fest improve to make everyone happier
It finally seemed to bite them in the rear this year. The boat only seemed to be 60-70% full. It felt packed in 2020.
Update. They started announcing at the end of may for this year. A whole 8 months early.
They've really gotten their shit together this year it seems I'm happy to see it
I went to 70K 3 times. I can't go anymore because price of the tickets is prohibitive. They are jacking the price up to such levels, that the price of the ticket for ONE person for 70K is the same as price of TWO tickets for a week long cruise to Alaska. Their price gouging is the reason why I am done with them. I would love to go again, but they charge too much.
Prices for running the boats has skyrocketed. Bands costs more to book - look at stadium concert pricing, it has shot up as well. It isn't due to them price gouging, it is them raising prices to be able to retain the same profit margins they had before just in a high inflation environment when everything else is more expensive.
You hit the nail on the head with this video man. I have done 70k 6 times, the cruise family is my family, I miss my boat people all the time, these were by far the colest experiences of my life, and yet, I would not do it ever again. And this organization bullshit is why.
Every year I saw this festival get worse and worse. The change in formula (old boat to new boat, 40 bands to 60 bands, 2000 tickets to 3000 tickets) already made the festival suffer a big dip in quality (I believe because it got too big too fast and the team couldn't keep up with a 33% increase of everything), but we all believed in the product so much we held on. The crowd has really changed over the years, from metalheads who were truly passionate about the music in the early years to crowd nowadays that are there to party so fucking hard and that goes completely uncontrolled on the boat. Ain't nothing wrong with partying, but some of us want to attend a metal festival on a boat, and not go on a partybus on water with metal playing over the speakers. In my first three years on the boat, I never saw disrespectful or violent conduct. People, even while partying and being drunk as hell, were respectful and nice. Ther's a reason why we call each other the cruise family. In the later years I saw the crowd shift, and my 70k friends who still attend come back every year now with more stories about massive fights, people getting injured, breaking beer bottles in the jaccuzzis and puking in the pools, than stories about how good the shows were. I feel a decent part of this shift of the type of crowd that attends 70k now versus in 2011 is that people don't have a choice to blind book almost a year in advance without knowing the bands that will play, so the cruise experience is now about the partying and how crazy it'll get, more than the music and who plays.
Then there's also the issue of bands being able to re-bok every other year. The lineup every other year are so similar, if you go many times in a row you are paying to see the same bands play almost the same sets a year appart. I understand the 70k team wants to bring back favorites, but then 90% of the bands on board have already done 70k before, what's the point anymore. In the earl years, there was care to book 3-4 bands per sub-genre to present a wide spread of metal, both well known and completely underground. I discovered so many new bands I would have never heard of if it wasn't for 70k, some of those that became my all time favorites. Nowadays the anouncements could all be taged with "For the 5th time in the boat, please welcome again *insert band here*". Where's the care to find new talent. Where's the care to broaden prople's horizons and bring metal bands from all over the world, from different cultures. The organizers cannot do that anymore because they book so last minute. They panic-book bands that they have on speed dial cause they know the musicians are gonna want to come on cause it,s a vacation for them too. If they took time to carefully research bants and cater the lineup like they used to, they could find gems, they could book diamonds in the rough people would discover and fall in love with. Instead all we get is repeats.
This festival changed so much. I don't regret having gone, my years of 70k are still where I peaked, I will never be this cool again. But it breaks my heart to see this festival that changed my life and that I was so attached to, wither away because of organization struggles that nobody else in the industry seems to have. I still reccomend 70k at least once to every metalhead because it's a life changing experience, but I cannot give thousands of my hard earned money to this company anymore unless they make massive changes and start treating the fans and bands with respect again.
I've never been on it myself but with the way you write about it...I don't think I ever will. Especially because of the new type of crowd. And, to be honest, I dont understand why they would even attend. They could attend a 'normie' party cruise for half the price. Sure, they're probably at least casually into metal or else they wouldn't attend in the first place. But, they'd still save a crap load more money by doing another cruise. And probably have even more fun in the mean time, since the audience would be more like them - people who just wanna party.
Hukkap....damn dude just write a novel why don't ya? Good fucking God.😮
2019 wasn't bad. The final day felt a little more hipsterish than usual. Maybe the rest of the time I was just focused on the bands. The people were all cool tho. Was this out of the usual???
Hukkap,damn, you are so right... I was there in 2011 too,it was so magical 😊 been there couple of times again but the magic slowly wore off for the reasons you wrote. Especially the crowd changing.Also the swap for bigger boat,damn, you spend a lot of times just bloody walking from 1 place to the other. I mean, it's a good exercise for sure but really??! 😄 Anyway, I still hope I can go again in the future but I'm not desperate if I can't.
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I appreciate that! I'm just thankful people enjoy the videos
At the end 2023 was amazing too! 10 times cruiser, even if I was also complaining about the line up, I discovered a lot of new bands that I like now… maybe announcements were late, but they always deliver… planing to go on 2024! Can’t wait
1000%!!!! I've been on 4 times and could rant quite a bit about this subject. I love the experience when I'm on the boat but the disrespectful way they treat their customers the rest of the year is toxic.
I just went a few days ago, and it was freaking amazing! It was my second go. I had plenty of must see bands months in advance... so no problem there. HOWEVER - I think 40 bands is much better than 60... and having bands playing at 5am is ridiculous... but all in all... I would go again 100%. I actually like how they announce their bands one at a time... but they should announce the last band at least 30 days before sailing. Anyhow... well made video, and glad to see you are rooting for them ;)
LOL 5 AM? I just wonder, do the bands sleep before or after? As for the fans Im sure they were up all night. They had to be insanely tired.
Yup. Nailed it. Really disappointing and frustrating how they handle things. I don’t doubt it’s an amazing experience when the stars align but I can’t afford to drop $2k+ on a mystery lineup
Thank you for this video. We hope that Andy and team see this and read the reviews. All of us agree this cruise rules. All we ask is for open communication and a little more professionalism and less memes. Lol !
Yes! The cruise is amazing, it just needs some repairs
Pretty much nailed why I didn't wanna go this year. At this point in my life, if I'm going to take time away from hanging out with my friends and doing my routine (which I actually love) it's gotta be worth it, and I have to know it's worth it. As cool as a 3 day metal boat festival sounds - I'd rather just spend that time and money travelling or doing other stuff, where I'm more in control and I know I'll have a great time.
cruises sound like a nightmare man
Looks like they might be getting better about the band announcement timing. It is currently June of 2023, and they already have 26 bands announced for the January 2024 cruise. 4 of the bands I really want to see.
I'm 60+ years old and have seriously been considering attending a HM festival. My problem is that I'm convinced that I'll get sucked into a mosh pit maelstrom and get my carcass stomped into the mud, only to be found and peeled up after the show ends. A cruise ship festival, however, fits my requirements perfectly! I have all the amenities of a cruise ship all the while being able to rock to my hearts content. Hurray Wyatt!
Spot on. Been on the last 5. Skipping this one. Hoping Andy & Co. learn a few lessons.
The other major bummer is that the beer is not free. Even bandmembers only get a free credit of $50 each and one beer costs around $9-$10!!! Maybe the big bands get it for free.
At the Full Metal Cruise in Europe the beer is completley free for all guests and bands.
I can imagine some of those "non-big bands" are actually bigger than some of the labeled "big bands". But, I guess it's all up to a promoter's point of view. It's hard to accurately define who's bigger than who in many, many cases.
7 years ago I went to a festival with free beer, I left with a wife
I'm currently sitting in Orlando - will be driving to Miami Monday to get on the boat. But frankly, the delays really pissed me off this year. I almost threw up my hands and made other plans. I don't think the 70k people know the meaning of the word "SOON". It's backfired on them as the cruise is not sold out this year; people just said fuckit and made other plans. Hopefully they wake the bleep up and get their shit together next year.
Nothing will ever top the 2020 lineup. I wasn't there but that's the one I wish I could've been to.
That was a great year!
Can't wait for headbangers boat. Full lineup already released, It's gonna be so good.
I can't wait to go as well. It's going to be the first time I've been on a cruise and the first time in the USA. I'm from the UK.
@@alwolfy1782 also my first cruise, not my first time in the US though. Hope to meet you there!
We played there in 2014…we became the okay three weeks before and had problem organize visas in that short time…absolute mess
That's gotta suck
Just found this channel a few days ago. You got a great channel keep up the good work I can tell you're fairly new. I subscribed and you put out a lot of good information so I will be here for quite a while. I'm also in California here in Southern California Anaheim area looking forward to many more videos.
Biggest thing you have to worry about thus year is after a 3 year layoff, logistical problems and the 70k crew dealing with problems. These guys aren't ready to run the music festival part ,this whole cruise rests of the fact Royal Caribbean basically does almost everything and so many cruisers are all about just going on vacation, it's basically an extremely expensive cruise that is only going 90 miles offshore.
I haven’t been on the cruise since they were on the OG ship (majesty of the seas). I remember the first one feeling slightly concerned but the first 4 years I went. I grew very weary of waiting and started taking my money to other travels. My one friend whose band played(gonna keep this anonymous on their behalf), got the offer a few weeks before, got an announcement a week before, and signed the day they boarded. They said they took a van to FL and hoped that 70k didn’t change their mind
Just found your channel, agree with all your points. Me and my group of like 30 plus people have found it has got too expensive and just not worth it. Glad I've gotten to see 2015,2016,2017,2019. Got to meet far too many awesome survivors and band members. Have life long friends from across the globe because of this cruise. Also their excuse is someone high up has problems with substances. Oops. Actually got to out drink Corpse Grinder. What other event will give you that experience?
It's July of 2023 when I watch this and half the bands for '24 have been announced. So it seems, on the surface at least, that they may have listened.
Although I will be going this year and have been on the last 4 of them, I too am disappointed in how few bands I actually want to see on the boat. It sucks that there's so little transparency and the sales sure show that. You video points out all the major flaws with this cruise and why it'll continue to fail, great work. The social aspect is such a major part of this as well and I think the hardest part about going this year is so many of the regular cruisers I know and love are skipping it because of what you lined out in this video. If it's just as bad next year I'll like just save my money and head to Europe instead again.
70,000 tons of Metal need to announce their lineup of bands earlier the whole list of bands Cruise ship trips are very expensive
My buddy Duncan goes to 70k almost every year dressed as the pink Power Ranger and has an absolute blast. Gotta admit I'd love to go on one of these metal cruises someday, if only I could justify the money and time it would take...
I know Duncan! Good dude
More videos like this please! Maybe on specific festivals you’ve had experiences with? Like Download?🤘😄
Coming up! Next one will be Hellfest
why do i feel like beavis and butthead are running the 70000 tons of metal cruise? 🤔
I've only been on 70k once; their inaugural year, which was quite the lineup (Amon Amarth, Nevermore, Alestorm, Fear Factory, Epica and Marduk immediately come to mind from memory.) It was one of the best festivals or even live experiences I've ever attended. I was happy to see them quickly growing in popularity after that first year, but considering the cost and hassle of traveling, I couldn't justify going again.
I also noticed over the years that they seemed to delay announcing all the bands until even after they'd basically sold all their tickets. I always thought it rather odd, and it certainly did make me less enthused to shell out thousands of dollars, despite having quite enjoyed that first year, to get a cabin and attend again.
Sorry to hear they're having serious growing pains. Considering how profitable it has become, it sounds like they need to hire a couple additional staff to help with booking bands in advance and logistics instead of spending their cash on sexy models to advertise....
...That being said, from what I can tell they basically sell out every year, so I guess if the mass majority of people don't really care about the lineup and just want to go on the cruise to party, they have no incentive to do a better job.
This seems like such an easy issue for them to solve. Most festivals I've been to will announce a couple of headliners at the end of the previous year *and* offer a discount for people who buy a ticket for it there and then. I generally don't buy tickets for festivals without knowing the lineup as some festivals that I've enjoyed in previous years can be atrocious the next year, but if the headliners are really special, that can persuade me.
When I look at a lineup I tend to count the number of bands I'd definitely want to see and the number of bands I'd be sort of interested in but wouldn't mind if I missed. I count the second category as 0.5 when I'm adding up the number. I then take the cost of the ticket and divide it by the number I come up with. I figure if that it's less than £30 per band, then it's probably worthwhile to go, otherwise, it is likely to be cheaper to just go and see them playing a gig somewhere near-ish to where I live, as the transport/merch/food/beer costs tend to work out about the same either way.
Good formula, but I think it’s probably also worth factoring in how much you want the cruise environment. That’s part of the attraction.
70,000 Tons continues to age this video so well...
It's now Dec 2nd and there are still 23 bands left to announce for next month's trip. lol
It sounds to me that the organisers think of it more as a cruise that features metal bands, than the other way around. That maybe they think that the cruise is the pulling power, and the bands are secondary?
Thats a bad business philosophy then (theirs, not yours). Because ordinary 'normie' cruises are much MUCH cheaper.
Such a good video, funny, and many great points. Such a shame since it could be fun, just do unorganized & bad customer service (which you pointed out in such a funny way)
As much as I didn't know a lot of the bands I found a few amazing ones I've never listened to before. But besides that I agree. I wish they would announce the lineup earlier. Especially when they only invite a band to play a week or so before announcing them because a lot of my favorite bands that would most definitely play were already on tour by the time we had just a few announcements.
This video is even more relevant Now leading up to this year's cruise. 4+ months and no band announcements. Just bullshit filler announcements of boobies and throwback photos from past cruises
I agree completely with you! This will be my 10th cruise and likely last. What rock did they find most of these bands under? Maybe I will be surprised but it appears I will have lots of time for long dinners.
This years lineup was pretty sick, although a lot of the bands werent super well known in my opinion. Regardless, I learned that some of those lesser known bands are killer! But yeah, this year was a bit rough honestly
The FMC in Europe is always sold out way a couple of minutes after release of the booking link one year in advance.
On the FMC the people dont seem to care at all about the bands line up.
Great entertaining video! Alas I’ve never been to 70K and I don’t think I ever will sadly. I’m too poor and too far away from the port. I have a good friend who went many years ago and he loved it!
I remember the first cruise as I was getting emails about the cruise and other metal festivals. I thought about and decided not to go.
I think they watched this video since I got an advert two days ago about the first band announcements
Hope Andy and his crew watch this video and step up their game.. i was also hopping for you to mention how they keep repeating the same bands over and over when theres a whole universe full of other great bands.
Agree specially this year I didn’t see any bands last year and fortunately I didn’t come back cause the line up was terrible at least for me and I wonder what happened If I booked to notice later that, I would’ve been very disappointed
Wouldn't 100,000 Tons of Metal be more metal than 70,000 Tons of Metal?
Update : This is September 2023 going on October. Have had rooms booked for months and 37 bands have been announced. Things are totally back on track and I couldn't be happier.
Fun fact: the Titanic was one meter longer than the Royal Caribbean Majesty of the Seas (70 tons of metal) is and could fit over 400 more passengers. So yeah if we are talking about the size of the ship in 1912 it was absolutely massive.
You had me at BOOOOBS!! - Some 14 yr old, lol
Dude! The 70000 ton event should be moved to Scandinavia,Island,Norway,Sweden
It's all marketing. They know most of their bands like 1 year ahead, at least most likely. But they know, the most die-hard fans/goers are going to buy tickets, no matter who's going to play. Then they keep rising the price a little by little and dribble the bands one at the time, to get the best price. They know they will have a sold-out cruse.
Welp, sounds like 70k tons of metal will be joining 2k men and 50k tons of steel
maybe the announcement delays have to do with booking
Ok the 2020 cruise was from January 7-11. How did announcements start 4 months prior if they started October 25th? That's just 2 and a half months. For 2023 there actually is a little more time they gave us to prepare for the cruise, not less. But your video is still good.
Seems super cool, to be with all these stoked people.. its the Promotion staff is whats lacking.. and who they use as Booking Agents are or . Who it Is!.. bands sometimes come in bulk packaging.. wnat this one, youll have to book these two also .
they are lazy, still flying to miami in 10 hours and going
i doubt i will ever make it there. i mean my home country is home to a festival that prides itself on location and being a "metal holidays" and it just doesn't work for me. i just wanna see the bands, i am not a social animal or someone who enjoys tourism. but honestly, the way you described booking bands just sounds stressful for the band. most bands i listen to aren't really the type that can just drop everything, travel to the US(from Europe since thats where most are from) and be on a crouse ship for 4 days with only a months notice. like sure, doesn't mean they won't try. but plenty of smaller bands are bearly getting enough to be able to afford not having a day job(some do, actually).
Also, I'm not sure if they need a U.S. work visa since they set sail from the U.S. and maybe play a little in U.S. territorial waters. If they do, those visas can take a lot of time to get. Especially nowadays it's a problem.
See you at Tolminator then!
@@MrCadillacbob well you guessed the country i am from but so far, no plans to come to Tolminator, not this year at least. heck, you are more likely to find me at a festival in CZ Germany or Austria than in Slovenia. i might show up at Metaldays this year but only for one day.
Resurrection fest couldn't even be bothered to update their website, despite many bands dropping out and the running order completely changing. Their English language website is three years old and out of date. Customer service was non existent. They also scammed me two years in a row with the cashless account not refunding me, then when I complain they say "oh sorry, you didn't process your request in time" despite me doing so.
I would say generally the most off-putting thing about 70k is how they handle their social media, like you said in your video these are paying customers or potential customers with genuine concerns and all they're met with is witty remarks that come off childish af. Hard pass on that dumpster fire of a cruise. Would much rather hit up some Euro Metal Fests and do some sight seeing.
Plus the eeeewwwwy factor
Ticket prices for this amazing experience anyone? Just curious.
Typically it ends up being about $1200-$1300 per person, but that includes all you can eat food and free non alcoholic drinks the whole time. Basically if you don't drink that's how much it's end up being, not counting airfare
To be honest I never saw the appeal to go on a metal cruise. Its probably my fear of sickness or disaster that could happen. Can you imagine what a tragedy that would be? 60 Metal bands keeping the scene alive, suddenly all die on a sinking ship. Freaking tragic man. It's best to keep it on land. The other thing too is sometimes they'll have like 3 bands go on at the same time, making it difficult to decide which one to see. Plus, with inflation now n days, only rich people can afford to go these cruises. You've either got to be retired or have been born into an already wealthy family to afford it now!
Very interesting. Not sure why folks keep going on the cruise if it's so shitty. Speak with you dollars folks. Especially if there are other, better deals to get.
Another great video man, just subbed
I've never been abs probably won't ever go due to health issues. They seem to announce Nightwish pretty early, and that would be the band I was going to see.
70,000 pound sausage party 😂
Definitely
Would not like to be a girl, guest or crew, on this trip... 😢
Thanks for sharing this video. I'm a fan of music themed cruises and SOME metal (mostly the old school stuff you dismissed 🤘). The one music themed cruise that I've already booked for 2025 has announced perhaps half of the performers that will be on the ship. I'm happy to see 70k is announcing bands quicker for their '24 sailing.
I went once (2023) for the experience. I'm fine not going again.
If I knew the lineup before I bought a ticket, I never would've gone. Nightwish is a club act in the US that doesn't always sell out sub 1,200 cap rooms.
That sucks, I'd be so disappointed if I had booked this year
I saw them in La last year and both nights at the wiltern for completely sold out :)
Nightwish is still pretty unknown in the US, I don't see why they should attend 70000ttoM at all, this makes no sense to me
Nightwish is the best band I have seen live. Strange how so many in the US don´t know their music when they headline huge festivals in Europe.
@@laudatosiadastra1218 for the record I love Nightwish. Just wasn't impressed with the rest of the lineup
Do they eventually fill all the vacant spots? Or is it a money grab to pay less bands? 🤔 🧐
70k 2030 line up will appear when it's all over
Anyone see Children of Bodom on the cruise? Any rad stories??
Yeah but most metalheads like more than one band like every vand ever announced i have liked and would love to see live or have seen live and have no problem shelling out the money
70K is a fest for rich metalheads that just wanna show off how much money they got. I remember 1 person shouting real loud at Eindhoven Metal Meeting in The Netherlands (where I'm from) she felt so amazing for being able to pay it all 1 go. Seriously, if that is your goal in life I dont need to party with ya'll. I'll go to some hob nob event instead, at least they offer actual luxury for that price.
Dont get me wrong, the idea sounds amazing, but I sure as hell will never pick 70K for a cruise. Also the fucking lame shit that repeat visitors get to book first making all affordable rooms unavailable to first time visitors is pathetic. PATHETIC! I get you wanna do something for your loyal customers, give them a discount or something. Dont remove the option for new people to go by having only the most expensive rooms left. Also forced sharing is ridicuolous. Or paying double even though you are alone. Some people cant sleep with others due to mental reasons, like me. Offer single rooms for a single price.
The fact they announce the line up late is the least of my issues. Although I will admit it isnt smart. But since they just want the repeat visitors to come back becasue they all love it and have nothing to very little bad stuff to say about it. Nothing will change.
So pick a different cruise fest. Or stop going. Or keep going if you are that repeat visitor that loves everything about it. I dont care. I dont need you to say how awesome and unique it is. I've heard it a thousand times.
All the major cruise lines have a double occupancy (payment) requirement for their single bedded units. Special event or standard cruise so this is not on 70k.
@@christophermoreau1931 thanks for clearing that up, also shit rule. Guess I wont be going anywhere then in the US in terms of a cruise.
I'm already a cruiser; I went on two (non 70k) cruises last year. I was by myself, so I had to pay almost double for my 2 occupancy cabin to offset the difference. Not quite the full amount, but maybe 70-80% of the full room?
I was thinking of trying 70k for the first time, but I'm quite concerned, like you said, of the more economical rooms being sold out before I even get a chance to see what's available. And again, I'll be by myself, but paying arguably more to be rooming with rando's. I'm pretty chill, and I've been wanting to try 70k for a few years now; is it worth trying even just once?
man i've met a few 70K goers in the past and one of them flat out admitted to going into debt just to go to 70K and i'm from canada, depending where you're coming from here flying to florida is just as expensive as doing the fest. i've heard fairly good things but damn!
Dude, I am going to to be on the headbanger boat and I seriously can't wait to see God Forbid again. And Ashes of the Wake in its entirety? Fuck yea, plus Jasta and poker, get out of here.. Ill just have turned 40, 3rd of Oct and i can't think of a better present to myself..
Wait for Icon3
Somebody say some thing about it
Well for what it's worth, the fact that there is even a cruise happening is great. Perthaps to some not the best lineups or the timing of announcements is not ideal, but I am sure Andy is not doing this on purpose to piss people off. Sometimes even doing your best with what you have to work with is still not enough. I am sure that there were many changes to the rules or what ever when it came time to working with the cruise lines and other companies that are hired to get this festival going. Some places are still experiencing shortage of workers, or limitations.
It's been multiple years of these issues only getting worse, Andy has no excuse.
This has been happening EVERY year. No more excuses.
...and it's fucking expensive lmao
Silly RUclips man complains about a luxury crew ship for 15 minutes
All i know metal is best with friends, sounds like organization laziness
Best part about the cruise is the people on board, they make it so worth it
@@wyattsmetal this 100%
What’s been the outcome on a tour on 70k where you felt “duped”, and was like…. Yeah I over paid for this due to bands maybe not as experienced and ready for this and they were last minute. Where you felt rooked lol
Napalm Death are irrelevant now. Saw them in december supprting Volbeat and they were a fucking joke.
😮 wow! How do those 1/4-1/2 of the bands feel about getting zero advertising and publicity from the fest?
I almost started the process for 70k but wasn’t impressed with the lineup.. the ones that were announced anyways.
For festivals I’ve started going to edm bush raves in the Pacific Northwest (Shambhala, Wicked Woods etc) - the music isnt my thing but stomping around the woods on psychs with 30,000 hippies is cool. 😆
You’ll always see me at local shows, sometimes I’ll fly from Vancouver to Montreal for bigger shows.. and that’ll have to do.
Forgive me for saying this, but this is the most bizarre fucking thing I've ever heard of. I've been out of the metal festival world since the days of 90s OzFests. Back then, if you were a metalhead you barely had the dough to pay a $50 admission ticket, let alone get ANYWHERE near a cruise ship. You were a metalhead because no one was going to give you a decent job because of your visible tattoos. The only metalheads with money were the top musicians, and everyone else was a social outcast with a shit car, an apartment across the street from a crackhouse and a serious meth and/or heroin habit.
I'm glad the scene has changed...that you can be a metalhead and successful in society at the same time.
But it's not like ages past when we were the street scum waiting for civilization to collapse so we could pillage the suburbs and corporate towers. Lol.
they are buing bands with tickets money and sounds like they are having problems to book them before they have sell enought tickets. Sound like they have serious finance problems. Any other festifals are able to book bands before they have sell all tickets. And sound like if they wont sell out cruise they cancel bands because they cant affort them.
This video didn't age well
70,000 tons just always sounded like some cheeseball shit with a super cliché gimmick. Going on a cruise is just some entitled crusty boomer activity on retirement money thing to do. It flies in the face of where the everyman could spend $25 to see Ozzfest back in the day.
Good I'm glad it's sinking. Actually it can't sink fast enough. It was a stupid and overpriced shit show of an idea to begin with.
Are american metal fans all millionaires. Going to various festivals and cruises must cost an arm and a leg. Cant imagine those of us in the uk being able to afford such outings. 🤘🤘🤘
Cruise ships are probably one of the most horrid abominations ever invented by humans. Reasons why are endless, but waste, environmental destruction, literal shitloads of poop, and the higher than normal potential to be murdered/raped/robbed by another passenger who likely may get away with it are all high on that list. It might make a little bit of a difference with this Metal cruise (the gimmick it is) since Metalheads tend to be a bit nicer than the general population. But I see absolutely NO appeal to being stuck on some boosie luxury liner for weeks at a time, with no escape... except overboard (yet, that's happened a lot too).
Lol
If you are spending a few thousand dollars on a cruise with 60 metal bands, and you are a _real_ metal fan .. you won't actually care which bands are there ... if your favourites turn up, consider it a bonus.
I think this is a YOU problem, not a THEM problem.
Being a real metalhead means letting a company take advantage of you just so you can see a couple bands?
I booked in September of 17 for 2018. Most bands were announced, but it’s been terrible since.
Ill go to this cruise... and im brazilian. The economy here is thr worst 😢