A compilation of NS Sprinter (local) trains skipping stations. Nederlandse versie: • NS Sprinter treinen di... Nederlands en English at gelijke time: • NS Sprinters that don'...
Yeah... I wondered about doing a full video talking about Dutch train classification but ended up just doing this instead because it was easier. The short answer is that those trains should really be called something else other than "Sprinter". The long answer is that historically there were three types of NS service. From slowest to fastest: Stoptrein, Sneltrein and Intercity. Stoptrein was later renamed "Sprinter" to make it sound less slow. More recently, the NS decided to have separate train fleets for different types of service - even with different colour schemes. But since it would have been impractical to maintain three different fleets, they eliminated the name "Sneltrein". But they didn't eliminate all those services. So the "sneltrein" services which exist nowadays are called one of the other two names, even though they don't quite fit those types. Some of the "hidden" sneltrein services in the current timetable include: Sprinter Utrecht-Almere, which skips Hollandsche Rading, Hilversum Media Park and Bussum Zuid. Those stations are served by the Sprinter Utrecht-Hoofddorp. Intercity Utrecht-Leiden, which stops at Woerden unlike other Intercity services. It also serves many smaller stops on the Leiden-Woerden line. Intercity Lelystad-Dordrecht, which makes extra stops at Almere Buiten, Duivendrecht, Den Haag L v NOI, Schiedam Centrum, and Rotterdam Blaak.
It is mainly to do with service. They will skip certain stations at low peak hours. So if they can only (as an exxample) service 5 people at a stop, and another Sprinter can handle that as well, they just skip it. It also has to do a bit with demand. The NS has huge amounts of data on how people travel. Every year they have fleets of mathematicians calculating train routes. These are so complicated that they can get a train to stop at a platform for 1 minute and 45 seconds (known as a fast loading) and 5 minutes later another train shows up. So sometimes they skip a low demand station to keep up with the timetable. These timetables are so complex (I've had a look at how they are made, my god) that sometimes they will delay 1 train 10 minutes, because that will cause less overall delay then letting another train wait. Seriously, the Dutch train time tables should be classified as a work of modern art. The number of things they take into account is crazy. Things like predicting the possibility of someone getting their bag stuck in a door at rush hour and how much time that will delay the train, to what is the optimal acceleration of a train out of a station to easily slot into a space between two other trains.
There are also some stations that are only open on some occasions. An example of that is Station Stadion Feyenoord. Which is only open a few hours before an event until a few hours after the event. Most of the times these events are soccer matches (Feyenoord is a soccer club), but they also have some concerts once in a while. This all helps to quickly move a big amount of people to and away from one place to avoid stressing the other public transit and roads. When the station is open every train (both intercity and sprinter) will stop there. I've worked near the stadion in the past and I was happy when there was a soccer match in the evening since I could just hop on the train there, which removed 15 minutes of travel time.
It seems you've caught quite a few 'sprintercity' trains. Especially on the Utrecht to Leiden - which is officially an intercity connection - the NS uses Sprinter trains to ride that route. Those will skip all stations from Utrecht up to Woerden, including Vleuten. And there are stations that are served less frequently (Leiden De Vink), though that may have changed. And then there are occasions where trains are moved to a different location - for repairs, or to replace broken trains, or simply because the schedule didn't fit otherwise. Those movements are with empty trains though.
To add to the confusion, i know of a town Harderwijk in the middle of the Netherlands where there is a Sprinter in the morning and late afternoon on the route between Zwolle and Amersfoort that stops only at a few stations and cuts travel time to half the usual time, during "spits" hours. And there is a intercity late at night that does actually stop at Harderwijk instead of steaming on to Zwolle or Amersfoort. So its not quite as clear cut as the website might claim it to be.
Sprinter is a service, but that is no guarantee that the rolling stock is not used on other service types. You can have a Sprinter liveried train operating Intercity routes, but also the other way around. The first situation is becoming increasingly rare, as a lot of these vehicles do not have toilets and planners are instructed to avoid using them on longer routes . The second situation happens often on route sections with fewer stations, like most of the routes north of Alkmaar. Possible explanations can be that the train has to be repositioned for rush hour traffic, and was planned on an intercity route that will put it as close as possible to its next shift, or the route needs faster boarding (these trains are optimised for maximum passenger flow instead of seating comfort)
Yes, there are some Intercity services operated with Sprinter trainsets, but that is not what is happening here. All of the trains in this video were operating a service named "Sprinter".
@@OntarioTrafficMan The service Utrecht - Leiden was an intercity at that time too, but nowadays it has been renamed to sprinter even though it still skips Utrecht Leidsche Rijn, Terwijde and Vleuten.
The way how sprinter trains skip stations kind of reminds me of RB trains in Germany. Typically, the hirarchy of regional trains is S-Bahn (always stopping), RB (generally stopping) and RE (limited stop). Whether RB trains are local or express depends on existing parallel services. Most (understandably) understand it as "Always local unless there is an S-Bahn line parallel to it" (double so when they have dedicated tracks in which case there often is no platform for non-S-Bahn trains), though this can also happen with two different RB lines which is justified because for the amount of times the tracks are blocked, the demand doesn't justify it. There also are timetable dependent examples (e.g. a stop every hour for a half-an-hour service) which typically don't warrant a separate line. Of course, the biggest difference between the Sprinters here and RB is that the latter aren't explicitly advertised as always stopping, only that they're generally stopping.
Yes I think that is quite a good comparison. NS did plan to use the name "InterRegio" for the trains which make more stops than a Sprinter but fewer stops than an Intercity, but they never actually introduced that term.
Saw your comment on NotJustBike's last video. So obligatory G E K O L O N I S E E R D comment, else you might think you have less Dutch viewers ;P Interesting, I don't think I've ever seen them skip a station. Maybe it's to do with maintenance or are additional trains?
Haha bedankt voor het koloniseren! Some of these Sprinter services were indeed temporary arrangements due to track maintenance. For example the Sprinter skipping Delft Campus was because the tracks to Den Haag CS were closed. They ran a "Sprinter" from Rotterdam CS to Amsterdam CS, but it actually operated as an Intercity between Rotterdam and Den Haag HS because there was also a separate Sprinter Dordrecht-Rotterdam-Den Haag HS-Gouda Goverwelle. But there are also some Sprinters which skip stations in the normal dienstregeling. For example the Sprinter Utrecht-Almere. These are effectively "sneltreinen", except that NS doesn't use that word anymore.
Sprinter doesn't stop at all stations. The service called "Stoptrein" this kind of trains stops at every station. Sprinters like intercities stops mostly at big stations. Once I was riding SLT train from den Haag to Utrecht and this kind of sprinter, by the way Sprinter Light train, stops at every station on the way.
Some of the services in this video were in temporary schedules due to construction closures. It isn't normal to have a Sprinter skipping Delft Campus either.
To be fair the Dutch page does say "in principe". For some reason they didn't translate that part even though the English would be only one letter different...
Pleas for the love of god don't call it Delft campus call it Delft Zuid This is the stupidest thing the city have done Everyone how go to the campus get out at Delft centraal and takes the bike or bus In late 2021 there will be a tram connection from central to the campus There is no connection from Delft campus to the TU campus
Yes I agree it is a stupid name considering there is no transport connection to the university. But regardless I use the official name of the station since that's what people will recognize in the future.
I'm kind of missing the "and here is why" part.
Yeah... I wondered about doing a full video talking about Dutch train classification but ended up just doing this instead because it was easier.
The short answer is that those trains should really be called something else other than "Sprinter".
The long answer is that historically there were three types of NS service. From slowest to fastest: Stoptrein, Sneltrein and Intercity. Stoptrein was later renamed "Sprinter" to make it sound less slow.
More recently, the NS decided to have separate train fleets for different types of service - even with different colour schemes. But since it would have been impractical to maintain three different fleets, they eliminated the name "Sneltrein". But they didn't eliminate all those services. So the "sneltrein" services which exist nowadays are called one of the other two names, even though they don't quite fit those types.
Some of the "hidden" sneltrein services in the current timetable include:
Sprinter Utrecht-Almere, which skips Hollandsche Rading, Hilversum Media Park and Bussum Zuid. Those stations are served by the Sprinter Utrecht-Hoofddorp.
Intercity Utrecht-Leiden, which stops at Woerden unlike other Intercity services. It also serves many smaller stops on the Leiden-Woerden line.
Intercity Lelystad-Dordrecht, which makes extra stops at Almere Buiten, Duivendrecht, Den Haag L v NOI, Schiedam Centrum, and Rotterdam Blaak.
It is mainly to do with service. They will skip certain stations at low peak hours. So if they can only (as an exxample) service 5 people at a stop, and another Sprinter can handle that as well, they just skip it.
It also has to do a bit with demand. The NS has huge amounts of data on how people travel. Every year they have fleets of mathematicians calculating train routes. These are so complicated that they can get a train to stop at a platform for 1 minute and 45 seconds (known as a fast loading) and 5 minutes later another train shows up. So sometimes they skip a low demand station to keep up with the timetable.
These timetables are so complex (I've had a look at how they are made, my god) that sometimes they will delay 1 train 10 minutes, because that will cause less overall delay then letting another train wait.
Seriously, the Dutch train time tables should be classified as a work of modern art. The number of things they take into account is crazy. Things like predicting the possibility of someone getting their bag stuck in a door at rush hour and how much time that will delay the train, to what is the optimal acceleration of a train out of a station to easily slot into a space between two other trains.
Do they have different tickets?
@@burgerpommes2001 No it is the same ticket for both. You can take any train along the route, except high-speed trains.
Is the EC to Berlin a high speed or a intercity in the eyes of the ticket machine
There are also some stations that are only open on some occasions. An example of that is Station Stadion Feyenoord. Which is only open a few hours before an event until a few hours after the event. Most of the times these events are soccer matches (Feyenoord is a soccer club), but they also have some concerts once in a while. This all helps to quickly move a big amount of people to and away from one place to avoid stressing the other public transit and roads. When the station is open every train (both intercity and sprinter) will stop there.
I've worked near the stadion in the past and I was happy when there was a soccer match in the evening since I could just hop on the train there, which removed 15 minutes of travel time.
It seems you've caught quite a few 'sprintercity' trains. Especially on the Utrecht to Leiden - which is officially an intercity connection - the NS uses Sprinter trains to ride that route. Those will skip all stations from Utrecht up to Woerden, including Vleuten. And there are stations that are served less frequently (Leiden De Vink), though that may have changed. And then there are occasions where trains are moved to a different location - for repairs, or to replace broken trains, or simply because the schedule didn't fit otherwise. Those movements are with empty trains though.
To add to the confusion, i know of a town Harderwijk in the middle of the Netherlands where there is a Sprinter in the morning and late afternoon on the route between Zwolle and Amersfoort that stops only at a few stations and cuts travel time to half the usual time, during "spits" hours. And there is a intercity late at night that does actually stop at Harderwijk instead of steaming on to Zwolle or Amersfoort. So its not quite as clear cut as the website might claim it to be.
The extra service is highly appreciated.
Sprinter is a service, but that is no guarantee that the rolling stock is not used on other service types.
You can have a Sprinter liveried train operating Intercity routes, but also the other way around. The first situation is becoming increasingly rare, as a lot of these vehicles do not have toilets and planners are instructed to avoid using them on longer routes . The second situation happens often on route sections with fewer stations, like most of the routes north of Alkmaar.
Possible explanations can be that the train has to be repositioned for rush hour traffic, and was planned on an intercity route that will put it as close as possible to its next shift, or the route needs faster boarding (these trains are optimised for maximum passenger flow instead of seating comfort)
Yes, there are some Intercity services operated with Sprinter trainsets, but that is not what is happening here. All of the trains in this video were operating a service named "Sprinter".
@@OntarioTrafficMan The service Utrecht - Leiden was an intercity at that time too, but nowadays it has been renamed to sprinter even though it still skips Utrecht Leidsche Rijn, Terwijde and Vleuten.
The way how sprinter trains skip stations kind of reminds me of RB trains in Germany. Typically, the hirarchy of regional trains is S-Bahn (always stopping), RB (generally stopping) and RE (limited stop). Whether RB trains are local or express depends on existing parallel services. Most (understandably) understand it as "Always local unless there is an S-Bahn line parallel to it" (double so when they have dedicated tracks in which case there often is no platform for non-S-Bahn trains), though this can also happen with two different RB lines which is justified because for the amount of times the tracks are blocked, the demand doesn't justify it.
There also are timetable dependent examples (e.g. a stop every hour for a half-an-hour service) which typically don't warrant a separate line.
Of course, the biggest difference between the Sprinters here and RB is that the latter aren't explicitly advertised as always stopping, only that they're generally stopping.
Yes I think that is quite a good comparison. NS did plan to use the name "InterRegio" for the trains which make more stops than a Sprinter but fewer stops than an Intercity, but they never actually introduced that term.
Saw your comment on NotJustBike's last video. So obligatory G E K O L O N I S E E R D comment, else you might think you have less Dutch viewers ;P
Interesting, I don't think I've ever seen them skip a station. Maybe it's to do with maintenance or are additional trains?
Haha bedankt voor het koloniseren! Some of these Sprinter services were indeed temporary arrangements due to track maintenance. For example the Sprinter skipping Delft Campus was because the tracks to Den Haag CS were closed. They ran a "Sprinter" from Rotterdam CS to Amsterdam CS, but it actually operated as an Intercity between Rotterdam and Den Haag HS because there was also a separate Sprinter Dordrecht-Rotterdam-Den Haag HS-Gouda Goverwelle.
But there are also some Sprinters which skip stations in the normal dienstregeling. For example the Sprinter Utrecht-Almere. These are effectively "sneltreinen", except that NS doesn't use that word anymore.
"G E K O L O N I S E E R D" should really be "I N G E P O L D E R D"!
Sprinter doesn't stop at all stations. The service called "Stoptrein" this kind of trains stops at every station. Sprinters like intercities stops mostly at big stations. Once I was riding SLT train from den Haag to Utrecht and this kind of sprinter, by the way Sprinter Light train, stops at every station on the way.
There is no such thing as "stoptrein" on the NS network. They have all been renamed to "Sprinter"
I always board the train at utrecht terwijde and I've never seen a sprinter passing that station
Some of the services in this video were in temporary schedules due to construction closures. It isn't normal to have a Sprinter skipping Delft Campus either.
Lol! The second station in the video is where I live
(not on the station obviously. I have a VIP cardboard box further out)
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Very nice compilation
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That first shot is at vleuten station
Name says: NETUELV 😉
oooh im from ontario too
Maybe they should correct that info text with a "usually" lol.
To be fair the Dutch page does say "in principe". For some reason they didn't translate that part even though the English would be only one letter different...
Maybe to keep things simple for the silly foreigners ;)
@@OntarioTrafficMan Yeah, in principe and in principle, very difficult 😂
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Pleas for the love of god don't call it Delft campus call it Delft Zuid
This is the stupidest thing the city have done
Everyone how go to the campus get out at Delft centraal and takes the bike or bus
In late 2021 there will be a tram connection from central to the campus
There is no connection from Delft campus to the TU campus
Yes I agree it is a stupid name considering there is no transport connection to the university. But regardless I use the official name of the station since that's what people will recognize in the future.