That's true, but i think it is acceptable not to swear loyalty to a little girl with an army of horse riding savages from across the world who have the intention of pillaging and raping everything on their way.
@@Goatllama The Dothraki are known for their brutal ways, often engaging in rape, pillaging, and destruction wherever they go. Every encounter with them seems to follow this pattern. Its not racism, just fact
In the books lot of houses look more down at the freys for that and they also pissed off the faith people for breaking guest rights.This why tywin made sure it was all blamed on the freys.Yes smart ones know tywin schemed and planned the red wedding but rest of the kingdoms all the blame falls on the freys and tywin knows it and makes sure all blame is on them and he gets off clean.
Yes, they marched on them in battle after making it clear they wouldn't support an army of foreign invaders. Very different then the backstabbing he is referencing, which was violating guest right aka a massive no no.
Yes. It gets dismissed as pragmatic, but it was a cowardly betrayal and a horrible butchering of hundreds if not thousands Northman and Riverman. Cowardly and shameful. EDIT: Plus, afterwards, the Lannisters forged Ice the ancestral sword of the Starks into two swords. There is no curse for this treachery.
@hughsahlstrom951 Totally agree. Pro-Freys whine about Robb’s broken word _ but keep quiet about Walder never intending to keep his. If Walder Frey had been serious about the marriage pact, he would have done the same as Jon Arryn did to Ned + Robert _ i.e. he would have insisted on *immediate* marriage, at the Twins, when the pact was *first* made. But he didn’t insist, because he knew that that would bind him *irrevocably* to Robb’s side _ especially in the eyes of the Lannisters.
@thermidor5975 Exactly. Although, time was a factor so the immediate marriage could be excused, maybe. Any delay costs them capturing Jaime and routing the Lannister host. The fact that he wasn't even honour bound to let his liege lords nephews army across the crossing to lift the siege of Riverrun, his liege lords home without mercenary like terms is telling. That and he admitted to Catelyn that he doesn't take oaths seriously and sens downplay how offputting his lecherous behaviour is. Lastly, Robb tried to make amends. And its not like Robb said tough shit, he apologised profused and tried to make amends. Frey may not be getting the marriage to a king he wanted but he was getting a marriage to his liege lord which he wanted in the first place. He agreed the Robb's terms, invited him and slaughtered two major houses. There's treachery in pretending to accept the peace offer, and then the greedy old bastard gets the marriage he wanted. He could even asked for more concessions post war to sweeten the pot. I don't know if Aryas marriage was still in play but it was part of the initial agreement. He could have asked for Robbs children to marry another Frey or another Northern Lord or Riverlands lord since the the North and Riverlands would be one kingdom. And the fact he can't even keep control of the his new territory, Riverrun shows the massive overreach of the Frey's. Those who think the Frey's were right are edgy at best. Robb was wrong but Frey was WRONG.
He was going to break an oath regardless of the choice he made. Couldn't be avoided. If he sides with the Lannisters, he breaks his oath to House Tyrell. If he sides with the Tyrells, he breaks his oath the crown, which was currently being occupied by the Lannisters. If he doesn't pick either of them and stays neutral, he breaks his oath to both. Man was forced to break an oath, regardless of choice made. The scheming was all Jaime, too. It involved Tarly, but Tarly didn't make the plans. He just followed them.
@@Xylarxcode Untrue, if he sides with the Tyrells he would be breaking no oaths. The oath is not sworn to the crown as a concept. They never showed oaths of fielty being sworn to Cersei who clearly usurped the throne and blew up the centre of their country's religion. The only reason he fights for Cersei is because the writers need someone to do it because by all rights nobody would side with her.
@@anarchistmugwump9137 This. They botched the story so bad, that they had to force things. Queue the magical teleporting fleet of "whateverhisnamewas" Greyjoy.
The "dothraki" word clearly changed his mind. Jaime knew that Randyll intolerates savage people (wildlings, dothraki etc). Thats was a great diplomacy scene.
This kinds of fall apart as the Lannisters are no better. Remember what they did during Robert's Rebellion and to both Elia Martel and her children? Randyl apparently forgot about this.
@@lisboah At least that was a Westerosi doing it. Randyll can stomach what the Westerosi do to each other, but he hates the thought of anyone else doing it to them. It's classic prejudice. He was utterly unmoved by anything Jaime was saying until Jaime brought up the Dothraki and Unsullied.
Randyl would have never betrayed the tyrells due to the fact and in his words "dont stab our rivals in the back" they are loyal to the reach and not the lannisters or the realm, not only that cersei murdered margaery, his liege lord and the only tyrell male heir it seems despite being two other brothers too.
And then after his defeat they have him so in the tank for Cercie, so hostile to Dany despite the fact that he was among the greatest of those who supported her family against the Barathean rebellion....it just didn't make any damn sense. Of course we're talking about the same showrunner duo who ruined almost every character arc by the end of the 8th season.
Yep. Cercei murdered his liege lord (Mace Tyrell) and the heir (Loras) as well as the queen to the throne (Margery). That's literally a Ned Stark and Oberyns sister scenario all at once for Tarly, and the show makes it look like it's not a big deal for him, and that Olenna is the betrayer. Why is Cercei even queen? Why didnt the crown pass on to one of Roberts uncles or distant cousins after Tommen? How the hell did Cercei even inherit the throne and everyone is just ok with it?? How can Tarly be ok with it?? Fuck who cares I guess, even tho salic law was a major plot point in the story.
@@22steve5150 No you see, but if you betray everything you stand for and play along with this plot that me and my sister wife cooked up, then you get have the shiny "position of authority" card.
@@mijanhoque1740 🤔 hmmmm would I be stretching it, if I add the little girl from bear island? She would make a good vice narrator especially in the intro to an animation, Cersi already did an excellent job in 300 part 2 raise of an empire .
why is Randyll Tarly even considering joining the Lannisters? That guy was a Targaryen loyalist not too many years ago, he doesnt really own the Lannisters anything
Technically he was never a Targaryen loyalist, he only fought for the Targaryens because the Tyrells did and he served the Tyrells, but personally he hated the Targaryens from the beginning and considered them to be foreign barbarians so if given the choice he’d obviously fight against them
@hassanmohamed-qm2mj how were the Targaryens "foreign" when they had been ruling Westeros for centuries? No, it makes no sense for Randal to join the Lannisters. Hes sworn them no oath of loyalty, especially after Cersei just killed half the house he was loyal to as well as blew up what was the equivalent of the vatican
He was loyal to the Tyrells, not the Targaryens. The Tyrells died when Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor. Olenna was the only one left, and she was siding with foreign invaders. That's a dealbreaker with how xenophobic Randall Tarly was.
Technically, he was loyal to the Tyrells only because it was his duty but he personally hated them. According to the histories and lore, Randyll considered them honorless and didn’t know their place, and he personally hated Olenna the most for betraying the realm.
@@hassanmohamed-qm2mj huh? Where is it written that he hated them from the beginning? If anything he wed his beloved son into other loyalist house Mooten even after the rebellion. Doesn't look like hatred
Back in GoT, producers werent depend on dragons to carry forward the show. Its the dialogues. But in HoTD, the intensity of the dialogues are not that good
@@QuantumChrist It fails in comparasion to GoT from season 1-4 and let's not forget the Dragons throw most of the politics out of the window. Things like the Red wedding were impossible during this time because the other side did not have (yet) giant dragons that could destroy entire armies in practically one attack. That's what made GoT so amazing. The politics and schemes.
@@craigarkensaw yes, because the Arryns and the Martells were both paramount houses sitting in areas which are by far hardest to conquer with their and their bannermen's armies completely intact, as neither of them joined the war. Lannisters themselves were exhausted and had to deal with much more immediate threats than two houses that weren't really that unfriendly towards them. As a leader of a lesser house, lord Tarly was a bannerman of house Tyrell and his forces weren't nearly as large as entire Dorne's combined forces and his seat (Horn Hill) was not nearly as well situated or defendable, as The Eyrie. He wouldn't stand a chance on his own once the ultimate victor would once again unify the realm under his (her) rule.
@@craigarkensaw The Arryn's fought with the Starks and the mad queen against the Night King and went to King's Landing as well so they really didn't sit anything out. The Martell's were out of things for years and regardless, still sided with the Daenerys until the leadership was captured. You don't get to stay a noble by staying out of things. Part of the deal is loyalty to your lord and hoping your lords wins or you make a deal with the invader and the invader wins. Randyll's biggest error was even being there at all. He should have been at High Garden asking his Lord why they were now against the crown. The answer would tip the scale.
@@tomb7942 he was talking about the war of the five kings where martells and aryns did not participate at all .....anything else after season 4 is not really canon beacuse the books are not written
Imagine how secure would the Lannisters be if it were not for Cersei. I know Littlefinger was purposely spreading chaos, but Cersei's viciousness and shortsight helped him immensely. Imagine for a moment that Cersei does not exist, she died of plague or something. Jaime and Kevan Lannister hold mutually beneficial truce with the Tyrells, young Dornish prince is sitting on the Small Council, no one bombs the Sept of Baelor, there is no Faith Militant, Euron Greyjoy has no allies...
Dramas require both stupidity and willful ignorance on the part of the players. If they don't make perfectly avoidable errors, there is no story in the first place.
Cersei's ruthlessness would've cost the Lannisters the kingdom very soon if not for mere luck and some plot convenience. When she destroyed all the nobles and the religion's high figures with wildfire that would be the end of her. But no, in Dumb&Dumber's writing, everyone is going to flock to Cersei if she just murders everyone in power.
"I dont want to backstab the tyrells, that's evil. We're not evil, you're bad, you kill people at weddings. You are not honorable. I am honorable. That's what Tarly means. " "But we'll give you all their stuff" "Oh ok I like that. 'Mr Tarly Warden of the South' has a nice ring "
@@larsdols3157 Exactly. Despite his oaths, Lord Tarly despised the Tyrells because they were women in positions of power. He also hated the foreign Dothraki, seeing them as "savages".
@@leonrobinson8180 What are you talking about? Cersei is also a woman. And unlike Joffrey and co, she was entitled to rule over Westeros! And yes, the Dothraki were savages...
He buttered him up with compliments and Randyll was trying to up his price since he was forsaking his liege and supporting a mad queen. But Jaime showed him facts that a foreign invader with a barbaric army is coming and the Tyrells no longer have a future since the main line is down to a old woman. Moreover, the Tarleys always served instead of rule but always had ambition so that was the golden opportunity to replace the house Tyrell.
*_“We’re not schemers”_* Lord Randyll Tarly says, even though he had already schemed to have his eldest son (Samwell Tarly) “accidentally” die on a hunt if he wouldn’t renounce his ancestral claims and leave to join the Night’s Watch.
Him saying that the name means something and that they are not schemers who murder at weddings is funny to me because the Tyrell’s schemed and poisoned Joffrey on his name day. He did not know about that, but still kinda funny.
Tarly is too honorable to be an oath breaker or kill his enemies at a wedding, but he threatened to murder his own son on a fake hunt if he didn’t join the Watch.
The Dothraki! For the first time in history! You mean unarmored cavalry that lack even a simple spear yet prefer to charge headfirst into heavily armed and armored infantry that is well trained and dicplined? That would only work if this were a TV show where the showrunners were idiots after season 6. Why are you looking at me like that?
Hit the nail on the head. It's funny that everyone treats the dothraki like they were invincible, yet when we see them fight on screen they always act like suicidal idiots. People never seem to bring this up when criticising the later seasons.
@@akosszilagyi2656 My guess is they'd be feared not in battle but because they're bloodthirsty people who would raze or enslave towns without second thoughts, and are very mobile so quite hard to punish them. They also great fighters, despite being poorly equipped for big battlefields. Realistically, yeah, they'd be a real nightmare if they were somewhat smart. They'd completely decimate any realm economy and logistics. But in the show they are dogshit charging forward maniacally.
@@guillercuastico They were based on nomad people who indeed were ruthless, used their mobility, hit and run tactics and relied heavily on horse archers. And for these reasons they were feared. The only part the showrunners understood from this is that they were feared. So they adopted that and left out the rest, making not only the dothraki look like idiots, but everyone else who treats them like an invincible foe.
It’s interesting how GoT was peak TV production values, but if you compare the cinematography of this to House of the Dragon, this looks much more like a TV show.
Standing in Kings Landing, probably the red keep, and being asked to choose sides. That's like asking someone, "do you want to die right now, or live?". There's no way Cersei would have let him leave Kings Landing alive.
@@craigarkensaw so was Aemon until he took the black just like Jon did, disinheriting him. A note in a septons diary does not make Jon true born as well
Lol u can’t say that with such fact when Onviosuly everyone agreed that Jon no longer had his vow to the nights watch since he died. Yes he was resurrected, but by ur logic, Ed shuld have beheaded Jon the moment he marched on winterfell. Jon and dany both have a claim but Jon has the stronger claim based on history.
The fact that rhaeger did indeed anull his marriage to ellia and marry lyanna which legitimized Jon. Besides in the books, king Robb legetemized Jon had he died. Which he did, so Jon would be Jon stark at the very least again removing him from his vow. A king CAN release nights watch from their vow
@@jimbrewer5048 you are indeed correct but what 901stinababy is saying is also true, because in this case the rest of Westeros doesn't know that Jon is the rightfull heir. For the Westerosi, for Randyl Tarly, the right heir would be Daenerys since no one knew about Jon's legitimacy and Daenerys would be the "last Targaryen". So yes, Jon has a better claim but since no one knows (Besides Bran and Ned Stark) then Daenerys would be the true heir.
Tarley: Why does Olenna want revenge against you again ? Jamie: Well... my sister blew up her entire family along with thousands of others with wildfire in this very city. Tarley: So... you are an oathbreaker multiple times over, from a family of backstabbers, liars and schemers that plunged the realm into chaos because of your inability to keep it in your pants. Your Queen is also responsible for destroying a holy structure that has lasted for centuries containing the sanctified remains of important people across history. Yeah... I am totally going to side with you and be swayed by the fact Olenna is "broken" rather than accept all your enemies have fantastically good reasons for hating you. Racism runs really strong in Randyll Tarly to the point of siding with the devil.
Randyll: blablabla we're no oathbreakers! Jamie: blablabla Randyll: say no more, we're in, fuck the oath! Dany: Come back to your rightful ruler! Randyll: blablabla we're no oathbreakers! Dany's Dragon: balblabla grilled meat Randyll: blablabla, no! Randyll's heir: blablabla grill me, too! Dany's Dragon: say no more! *grills them* That was some peak writer performance there...
I feel like offering up the promotion was a bit of a misstep, he just outlined that loyalty means something, dangling the title in front of his nose feels like it would sour the deal a bit
"Hey buddy uh... so this war that's about to happen? It's horrifically one-sided. We're 1 great-house, plus the Greyjoys. against like 5 other great houses. Now I know Cersei murdered your liege lord, the queen, the king (people will assume she had a hand in his death), murdered the pope, and blew up the holiest site in Westeros. Also I know you were a hardcore Targaryen loyalist so joining up with them to overthrow our asses would be in character. But also like... what if I said please?"
I wonder what Randall could have been if someone competent wrote for the show at this point. Not a fav character of mine, but would have been interesting in a Stanis sense.
“Would you rather fight with us, or with the savages and eunuchs?” That argument would make more sense if the Dothraki had actually done something terrible, like if they had raided Tarly land or something. But at this point, the only savage in this conflict is Cersei. She murdered thousands of innocent people, destroyed the most holy site in Westeros, and usurped the throne. “You also made an oath to the crown” Cersei isn’t the crown. She’s a totally illegitimate ruler who has no claim and took the throne by committing an act of terrorism. The idea that Tarly, a Targaryen loyalist, would ever consider siding with Cersei is a huge pile of horse shit.
Yes, it is all relative. Jaime is not a good politician compared to the biggest players, such as Tywin, Olenna, Tyrion, Baelish, Varys, etc, but he is still fairly good compared to simple military minds, such as Randyll Tarly and Eddard Stark.
„The Tarlys are honorable, how are we going to win them over to our clearly despicable cause?“ Jaime: *Appeals to their racism and then their greed. Problem solved*
In the good old days of GoT, there would have been a scene where Randyll Tarly was struggling with what to do. A scene - maybe a talk with his son - that illustrates the moral dilemma and would have made his final decision believable. What did we get in season 7? Garbage.
Jaime: "Betray Olenna Tyrell." Randyll: "Nope, don't wanna betray my liege lady." Jaime: "She's allied with some brown people." Randyll: "COUNT ME IN!"
Yeah but what else to do? North, Riverland, Baratheon were in pure chaos; Arryn army was far away or in best case neutral. Dorne have its own plans which Olena doesn't know so it is another gamble. And Greyjoy's fleet is problem too, small problem but still problem
really wish GRRM helped with the show still GRRM wanted them to do 10 plus seasons! if they had used more book content, GRRM used to write one full episode a season, he hasnt since s4, D and D think they can do it solo, well, they can't...
genuinelyhonest1991 You're an idiot! There was no more book content thanks to GRRM being so late (& still is!) therefore it's ALL HIS FAULT. Hence D&D HAD to work on their own, regardless! GRRM left cos he was so late he couldn't delay it any further (not that it helped him at all mind u) and thus he left D&D in a tough spot to figure things out ON THEIR OWN! You twist the story as if they wanted it. That's bullshit made up by dumbshit haters. You seriously can't put two and two together can you??
Yes, side with the people who blew up your liege lord together with his daughter who’s the queen and his son who’s the heir to Highgarden. “Name means something” my ass
I never get why the Dothraki are considered such an overwhelming army/ calvary when they dont have armor on. I feel as if the Stannis Baratheon calvary which easily defeated the Wildlings in the Noth, could defeat the Dothraki as well. Makes me feel like George R. Martin or whoever wrote the Dothraki up so highly , didn't consider realities, and apply it to their fantasy writing.
the dothraki use bows from horseback ,look up the history of archers on horse fighting armored men with swords on horse .i think George knows his history and you don't.
I think they are kind of a parallel of the mongols or just a primitive war culture that would be overwhelming in an open field, which is where they rule. Obviously if you take 10,000 of these guys vs 5,000 armed westerosi, I would give it to the Dothraki.
@@corsovene They are based on Mongols. The Mongols had a type of recurve bows that had the power to penetrate plate armor. This was the reason they were so lethal in combat and steamrolled 3 great civilizations. They also had armor made out of spider silk and unique cavalry tactics not seen in other places. The Dothraki don't have these things but this was the inspiration.
Nobody in their right mind would support cersies non existent claim as the crown and the ruling queen especially after what she did. And nobody would dare enter the city without an army and without her nearby in case she decides to nuke another section. Also why would Randyll not support Dany he is all for the targaryens. Not to mention shes the clear winning side lol. But nah be betrays his oaths because Dothraki...sure.
The one-dimensional thinking of the writers made Tarley a straight-up villain. Yes, he hated his son Sam, but he was overall a pretty cool character, one of the legendary commanders on part with Robert and Stannis. Aaaaand he was a Targaryen supporter during the rebellion. It doesn't make sense that he would support a woman who did the walk of shame and then blew up the sept along with the high septa and Tarley's liege lord, the warden of The Reach, with his heir over a legitimately born Targarian.
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David and Dan kinda forgott that Tarly was hardcore Targaryen loyalist.
Really? I swear they just straight up made shit up at the end 😂
That's true, but i think it is acceptable not to swear loyalty to a little girl with an army of horse riding savages from across the world who have the intention of pillaging and raping everything on their way.
Not to mention that the Tarlys never even acknowledge the Tyrells dying either. It’s just comical looking back at some of these scenes
I mean they also eradicated jamies character with his whole cersei obsession in the show.
I thought that too at the time
Tarley: I'm no oath breaker
Jamie:Dothraki, eunuchs
Tarley: you had me at savages
[Appeal to Racism : Success]
@@Goatllamabut actually a strategy that would work on book Randyl Tarly as well.
@@Goatllama nothing to do with racism you nugget lmao. The Dothraki are raiders and slavers invading his country
@@Goatllama The Dothraki are known for their brutal ways, often engaging in rape, pillaging, and destruction wherever they go. Every encounter with them seems to follow this pattern. Its not racism, just fact
@@Goatllama that word is so tired these days
The honorable Randyll Tarley letting an oath breaker convince him to side with the people who stabbed his king in the back
Arthur Dayne?
He had no good choices.
outside the battefield his IQ seem abysmal. He's a soldier and Jamie Fucking Lannister read and played him like a fiddle. He got the end he deserved.
He is still the dude that threatened to kill his son and forced him into going to the Night's Watch. The Tarlys maybe honorable but he is a prick.
@@ot23234yes he had a very better choice which is to support Daenerys targeryan, the daughter of the king who he supported during Robert’s rebellion
Love that he mentioned the red wedding . Also "we don't stab our rivals in the back"
In the same breath as he was declaring loyalty to Ollenna.
In the books lot of houses look more down at the freys for that and they also pissed off the faith people for breaking guest rights.This why tywin made sure it was all blamed on the freys.Yes smart ones know tywin schemed and planned the red wedding but rest of the kingdoms all the blame falls on the freys and tywin knows it and makes sure all blame is on them and he gets off clean.
Think he’s referring to Jamie stabbing the mad king
Yes, they marched on them in battle after making it clear they wouldn't support an army of foreign invaders. Very different then the backstabbing he is referencing, which was violating guest right aka a massive no no.
Fr the North remembers we are loyal right to the very end
People talk about Morgan Freeman’s voice but Tarly’s voice is pretty cool too.
He plays King Arthur in wizards of arcadia
Beric Dondarrion takes it for me.
He also voiced Swain in League of Legends
Morgan Freeman's voice is clear. Tarly's voice is coarse.
Better listen to Blood's bloody voice.
i love the fact he brought up the red wedding
Yes. It gets dismissed as pragmatic, but it was a cowardly betrayal and a horrible butchering of hundreds if not thousands Northman and Riverman. Cowardly and shameful.
EDIT: Plus, afterwards, the Lannisters forged Ice the ancestral sword of the Starks into two swords. There is no curse for this treachery.
@user-ro8qn1ed9k I don't know what you're on about. Calm down, hysterical one.
@hughsahlstrom951 Totally agree. Pro-Freys whine about Robb’s broken word _ but keep quiet about Walder never intending to keep his.
If Walder Frey had been serious about the marriage pact, he would have done the same as Jon Arryn did to Ned + Robert _ i.e. he would have insisted on *immediate* marriage, at the Twins, when the pact was *first* made.
But he didn’t insist, because he knew that that would bind him *irrevocably* to Robb’s side _ especially in the eyes of the Lannisters.
@thermidor5975 Exactly. Although, time was a factor so the immediate marriage could be excused, maybe. Any delay costs them capturing Jaime and routing the Lannister host.
The fact that he wasn't even honour bound to let his liege lords nephews army across the crossing to lift the siege of Riverrun, his liege lords home without mercenary like terms is telling.
That and he admitted to Catelyn that he doesn't take oaths seriously and sens downplay how offputting his lecherous behaviour is. Lastly, Robb tried to make amends.
And its not like Robb said tough shit, he apologised profused and tried to make amends. Frey may not be getting the marriage to a king he wanted but he was getting a marriage to his liege lord which he wanted in the first place. He agreed the Robb's terms, invited him and slaughtered two major houses. There's treachery in pretending to accept the peace offer, and then the greedy old bastard gets the marriage he wanted. He could even asked for more concessions post war to sweeten the pot. I don't know if Aryas marriage was still in play but it was part of the initial agreement. He could have asked for Robbs children to marry another Frey or another Northern Lord or Riverlands lord since the the North and Riverlands would be one kingdom. And the fact he can't even keep control of the his new territory, Riverrun shows the massive overreach of the Frey's.
Those who think the Frey's were right are edgy at best. Robb was wrong but Frey was WRONG.
We are not oathbreakers, we are not schemers.
-immideatly procceeds to break an oath an scheme..
He was going to break an oath regardless of the choice he made. Couldn't be avoided. If he sides with the Lannisters, he breaks his oath to House Tyrell. If he sides with the Tyrells, he breaks his oath the crown, which was currently being occupied by the Lannisters. If he doesn't pick either of them and stays neutral, he breaks his oath to both.
Man was forced to break an oath, regardless of choice made. The scheming was all Jaime, too. It involved Tarly, but Tarly didn't make the plans. He just followed them.
@@Xylarxcode cope
@@Xylarxcode Untrue, if he sides with the Tyrells he would be breaking no oaths. The oath is not sworn to the crown as a concept. They never showed oaths of fielty being sworn to Cersei who clearly usurped the throne and blew up the centre of their country's religion. The only reason he fights for Cersei is because the writers need someone to do it because by all rights nobody would side with her.
@@anarchistmugwump9137 This. They botched the story so bad, that they had to force things. Queue the magical teleporting fleet of "whateverhisnamewas" Greyjoy.
you do realize he hates the Tyrells right.....thats kinda big part of his character....idiot
he was also the corrupt Swiss banker Magneto interrogated in "x-men: first class"
No lie... that clip is the video right above this one, in my feed. Weird. It's called "Magneto Pulls a Tooth".
He was likely corrupt, but the main issue was that he did businesses with nazis who fled after ww2 and helped them hide their money.
The was Pope Sixtus IV in Da Vinci's Demons
I despise that movie
The "dothraki" word clearly changed his mind. Jaime knew that Randyll intolerates savage people (wildlings, dothraki etc). Thats was a great diplomacy scene.
That could be because he’s an andal & andals are mostly loyal to themselves
This kinds of fall apart as the Lannisters are no better. Remember what they did during Robert's Rebellion and to both Elia Martel and her children? Randyl apparently forgot about this.
@@Heeem13 Randall the Andal
@@lisboah At least that was a Westerosi doing it.
Randyll can stomach what the Westerosi do to each other, but he hates the thought of anyone else doing it to them.
It's classic prejudice. He was utterly unmoved by anything Jaime was saying until Jaime brought up the Dothraki and Unsullied.
@@lisboah
That was then, this is now - and now is more pressing.
Randyl would have never betrayed the tyrells due to the fact and in his words "dont stab our rivals in the back" they are loyal to the reach and not the lannisters or the realm, not only that cersei murdered margaery, his liege lord and the only tyrell male heir it seems despite being two other brothers too.
And then after his defeat they have him so in the tank for Cercie, so hostile to Dany despite the fact that he was among the greatest of those who supported her family against the Barathean rebellion....it just didn't make any damn sense. Of course we're talking about the same showrunner duo who ruined almost every character arc by the end of the 8th season.
Thank goodness we can trust to book to stay true to the Tarlys
@@juergenmati6288 forget the book, they can't even keep the season 7 episode 2 Tarlys consistent with the Season 7 episode 4 Tarlys.
Yep. Cercei murdered his liege lord (Mace Tyrell) and the heir (Loras) as well as the queen to the throne (Margery). That's literally a Ned Stark and Oberyns sister scenario all at once for Tarly, and the show makes it look like it's not a big deal for him, and that Olenna is the betrayer.
Why is Cercei even queen? Why didnt the crown pass on to one of Roberts uncles or distant cousins after Tommen? How the hell did Cercei even inherit the throne and everyone is just ok with it?? How can Tarly be ok with it?? Fuck who cares I guess, even tho salic law was a major plot point in the story.
@@22steve5150 No you see, but if you betray everything you stand for and play along with this plot that me and my sister wife cooked up, then you get have the shiny "position of authority" card.
He should have been like. Ok. I'ma do like your father. Shoot me a raven and I'll let you know
Now THATS funny
Tarly's voice is so majestic
And roose bolton.and of course walder frey
Tywin Lannister
Randyll tarly
Roose Bolton
Was the same in term of acting and personality and voice aura 🔥
Bro literally forgets Robert Baratheon, Stannis Baratheon, Ned Stark.
Yes Lord Bolton would also make an epic voice narrator, Jamie lanister too, but many people don't know .
I’d add Lord Glover as well, he has a epic voice
@@mijanhoque1740 🤔 hmmmm would I be stretching it, if I add the little girl from bear island? She would make a good vice narrator especially in the intro to an animation,
Cersi already did an excellent job in 300 part 2 raise of an empire .
Plus Jorah Mormont & Beric Dondarrion
why is Randyll Tarly even considering joining the Lannisters? That guy was a Targaryen loyalist not too many years ago, he doesnt really own the Lannisters anything
Technically he was never a Targaryen loyalist, he only fought for the Targaryens because the Tyrells did and he served the Tyrells, but personally he hated the Targaryens from the beginning and considered them to be foreign barbarians so if given the choice he’d obviously fight against them
@hassanmohamed-qm2mj how were the Targaryens "foreign" when they had been ruling Westeros for centuries?
No, it makes no sense for Randal to join the Lannisters. Hes sworn them no oath of loyalty, especially after Cersei just killed half the house he was loyal to as well as blew up what was the equivalent of the vatican
He was loyal to the Tyrells, not the Targaryens. The Tyrells died when Cersei blew up the Sept of Baelor. Olenna was the only one left, and she was siding with foreign invaders. That's a dealbreaker with how xenophobic Randall Tarly was.
Technically, he was loyal to the Tyrells only because it was his duty but he personally hated them.
According to the histories and lore, Randyll considered them honorless and didn’t know their place, and he personally hated Olenna the most for betraying the realm.
@@hassanmohamed-qm2mj huh? Where is it written that he hated them from the beginning? If anything he wed his beloved son into other loyalist house Mooten even after the rebellion. Doesn't look like hatred
Dragons didn't make this seiries , the dialogue did.
Back in GoT, producers werent depend on dragons to carry forward the show. Its the dialogues. But in HoTD, the intensity of the dialogues are not that good
But Hotd has Great dialogue and Dragons.
And most of all, Only HBO's Hotd perfected the diversity casting.
The dialogue from season 1-4 sure, the shit that flowed after is a different story with an awful ending.
What the heck are you talking about, the writing and dialogue made no sense in this scene. The series Randy makes no fucking sense.
@@QuantumChrist It fails in comparasion to GoT from season 1-4 and let's not forget the Dragons throw most of the politics out of the window. Things like the Red wedding were impossible during this time because the other side did not have (yet) giant dragons that could destroy entire armies in practically one attack. That's what made GoT so amazing. The politics and schemes.
The wysest decision for randyll were stay neutral in the war. Not supporting a murderer like cersei and not even a mad queen with sevages at her back.
One of them would get him back after the war for not helping.
@@IronedSide not really. The Arryns and Martells weren't killed by the Lannisters after remaining neutral in the war of the five kings.
@@craigarkensaw yes, because the Arryns and the Martells were both paramount houses sitting in areas which are by far hardest to conquer with their and their bannermen's armies completely intact, as neither of them joined the war. Lannisters themselves were exhausted and had to deal with much more immediate threats than two houses that weren't really that unfriendly towards them. As a leader of a lesser house, lord Tarly was a bannerman of house Tyrell and his forces weren't nearly as large as entire Dorne's combined forces and his seat (Horn Hill) was not nearly as well situated or defendable, as The Eyrie. He wouldn't stand a chance on his own once the ultimate victor would once again unify the realm under his (her) rule.
@@craigarkensaw The Arryn's fought with the Starks and the mad queen against the Night King and went to King's Landing as well so they really didn't sit anything out. The Martell's were out of things for years and regardless, still sided with the Daenerys until the leadership was captured.
You don't get to stay a noble by staying out of things. Part of the deal is loyalty to your lord and hoping your lords wins or you make a deal with the invader and the invader wins.
Randyll's biggest error was even being there at all. He should have been at High Garden asking his Lord why they were now against the crown. The answer would tip the scale.
@@tomb7942 he was talking about the war of the five kings where martells and aryns did not participate at all .....anything else after season 4 is not really canon beacuse the books are not written
Imagine how secure would the Lannisters be if it were not for Cersei. I know Littlefinger was purposely spreading chaos, but Cersei's viciousness and shortsight helped him immensely. Imagine for a moment that Cersei does not exist, she died of plague or something. Jaime and Kevan Lannister hold mutually beneficial truce with the Tyrells, young Dornish prince is sitting on the Small Council, no one bombs the Sept of Baelor, there is no Faith Militant, Euron Greyjoy has no allies...
Dramas require both stupidity and willful ignorance on the part of the players. If they don't make perfectly avoidable errors, there is no story in the first place.
Cersei's ruthlessness would've cost the Lannisters the kingdom very soon if not for mere luck and some plot convenience. When she destroyed all the nobles and the religion's high figures with wildfire that would be the end of her. But no, in Dumb&Dumber's writing, everyone is going to flock to Cersei if she just murders everyone in power.
General Swain? Is that you??
Pre-Raum
Tarly seems as committed to his word as the Starks.
swain really was at foreign shores
The expansion of Noxus borders knows no bounds.
😂
"you swore an oath to the crown"
umm not to the Lannisters who blatantly just usurped it
Randyll kind of forgot about his oaths to the Tyrells.
"I dont want to backstab the tyrells, that's evil. We're not evil, you're bad, you kill people at weddings. You are not honorable. I am honorable. That's what Tarly means. "
"But we'll give you all their stuff"
"Oh ok I like that. 'Mr Tarly Warden of the South' has a nice ring "
New Lord, New Oaths.
Mace is dead.
Loras is dead.
The Tyrell line is ended, and merely a dowager lady squats in their former hall.
Jaime was clever here. He played to Randyll's bigotry and ambition
Bigotry?
@@larsdols3157 Exactly. Despite his oaths, Lord Tarly despised the Tyrells because they were women in positions of power. He also hated the foreign Dothraki, seeing them as "savages".
@@leonrobinson8180 The Dothraki were savages.
@@leonrobinson8180 What are you talking about? Cersei is also a woman. And unlike Joffrey and co, she was entitled to rule over Westeros! And yes, the Dothraki were savages...
He buttered him up with compliments and Randyll was trying to up his price since he was forsaking his liege and supporting a mad queen. But Jaime showed him facts that a foreign invader with a barbaric army is coming and the Tyrells no longer have a future since the main line is down to a old woman. Moreover, the Tarleys always served instead of rule but always had ambition so that was the golden opportunity to replace the house Tyrell.
"How might I serve?"
"I literally just asked you a question which you dodged, please serve by answering it"
Jamie, you had him at fighting savages.
Randyll Tarly - GREAT CHARACTER!
*_“We’re not schemers”_* Lord Randyll Tarly says, even though he had already schemed to have his eldest son (Samwell Tarly) “accidentally” die on a hunt if he wouldn’t renounce his ancestral claims and leave to join the Night’s Watch.
No one's gonnna mention that he is "The Noxian Grand General" ? Ok just me then.
Randyll Tarly actor could play tywin too very well
Book Randyll Tarly would never ally himself with Lannister snakes
Jamie's accent really started going by the latter seasons
Him saying that the name means something and that they are not schemers who murder at weddings is funny to me because the Tyrell’s schemed and poisoned Joffrey on his name day. He did not know about that, but still kinda funny.
Casting was so strong in this show
Tarly talking about loyalty is so funny.
Tarly is too honorable to be an oath breaker or kill his enemies at a wedding, but he threatened to murder his own son on a fake hunt if he didn’t join the Watch.
actions and words are not the same;
understand the difference?
LOL
In Randyll's mind, he was preserving his house. The Tarlys were a house of soldiers, and Sam was ill-suited to lead it.
"We're not oath breakers we're not schemers, We don't stab our rivals in the back at weddings... But we do send the son's we don't want to the Wall!"
Randyl is all business all the time
The Dothraki! For the first time in history! You mean unarmored cavalry that lack even a simple spear yet prefer to charge headfirst into heavily armed and armored infantry that is well trained and dicplined? That would only work if this were a TV show where the showrunners were idiots after season 6. Why are you looking at me like that?
Hit the nail on the head. It's funny that everyone treats the dothraki like they were invincible, yet when we see them fight on screen they always act like suicidal idiots. People never seem to bring this up when criticising the later seasons.
@@akosszilagyi2656 My guess is they'd be feared not in battle but because they're bloodthirsty people who would raze or enslave towns without second thoughts, and are very mobile so quite hard to punish them. They also great fighters, despite being poorly equipped for big battlefields.
Realistically, yeah, they'd be a real nightmare if they were somewhat smart. They'd completely decimate any realm economy and logistics. But in the show they are dogshit charging forward maniacally.
@@guillercuastico They were based on nomad people who indeed were ruthless, used their mobility, hit and run tactics and relied heavily on horse archers. And for these reasons they were feared. The only part the showrunners understood from this is that they were feared. So they adopted that and left out the rest, making not only the dothraki look like idiots, but everyone else who treats them like an invincible foe.
It’s interesting how GoT was peak TV production values, but if you compare the cinematography of this to House of the Dragon, this looks much more like a TV show.
Jaime kind of forgot to mention that not only were eunuchs and savages, but dragons on the field.
One of the few good scenes post season 4.
So stupid he didn’t join Dan side he literally was super loyal to Targaryen
Dan brought wild savages to westeros, anyone would hate er
He wasn't loyal to the Targaryens at all. He was loyal to the Tyrells, and they chose to fight for the Targeryens.
now that's how you negotiate
Why was Ollena even ruling the Tyrells, she is not a Tyrell, it should have been some cousin of Margery, with Ollena as a main adviser.
For the same reason Elaria ruled Dorne for a few episodes. They just went with the characters they had whether it made sense or not.
Her husband was lord of Highgarden, and now her son is. Shes like a dowager queen on a smaller scale.
The Queen Mother
Standing in Kings Landing, probably the red keep, and being asked to choose sides. That's like asking someone, "do you want to die right now, or live?". There's no way Cersei would have let him leave Kings Landing alive.
Tarley speaks a lot of honor but he betrayed Olena
Jaime speaks to Grand marshal Swain of Noxus*
Old lord tarly has some big issues with savages 😂
The wild thing is, since Dany is the last true born blood relative of Robert and her father she is the rightful queen
You need to check better the Targaryen family bloodline. Jon is the son of the Prince heir Rhaegar, so he's the rightful heir.
@@craigarkensaw so was Aemon until he took the black just like Jon did, disinheriting him. A note in a septons diary does not make Jon true born as well
Lol u can’t say that with such fact when Onviosuly everyone agreed that Jon no longer had his vow to the nights watch since he died. Yes he was resurrected, but by ur logic, Ed shuld have beheaded Jon the moment he marched on winterfell. Jon and dany both have a claim but Jon has the stronger claim based on history.
The fact that rhaeger did indeed anull his marriage to ellia and marry lyanna which legitimized Jon. Besides in the books, king Robb legetemized Jon had he died. Which he did, so Jon would be Jon stark at the very least again removing him from his vow. A king CAN release nights watch from their vow
@@jimbrewer5048 you are indeed correct but what 901stinababy is saying is also true, because in this case the rest of Westeros doesn't know that Jon is the rightfull heir. For the Westerosi, for Randyl Tarly, the right heir would be Daenerys since no one knew about Jon's legitimacy and Daenerys would be the "last Targaryen".
So yes, Jon has a better claim but since no one knows (Besides Bran and Ned Stark) then Daenerys would be the true heir.
Tarley: Why does Olenna want revenge against you again ?
Jamie: Well... my sister blew up her entire family along with thousands of others with wildfire in this very city.
Tarley: So... you are an oathbreaker multiple times over, from a family of backstabbers, liars and schemers that plunged the realm into chaos because of your inability to keep it in your pants. Your Queen is also responsible for destroying a holy structure that has lasted for centuries containing the sanctified remains of important people across history.
Yeah... I am totally going to side with you and be swayed by the fact Olenna is "broken" rather than accept all your enemies have fantastically good reasons for hating you. Racism runs really strong in Randyll Tarly to the point of siding with the devil.
Randall vs stannis vs Robert vs tywin vs ned
Randyll: blablabla we're no oathbreakers!
Jamie: blablabla
Randyll: say no more, we're in, fuck the oath!
Dany: Come back to your rightful ruler!
Randyll: blablabla we're no oathbreakers!
Dany's Dragon: balblabla grilled meat
Randyll: blablabla, no!
Randyll's heir: blablabla grill me, too!
Dany's Dragon: say no more! *grills them*
That was some peak writer performance there...
I feel like offering up the promotion was a bit of a misstep, he just outlined that loyalty means something, dangling the title in front of his nose feels like it would sour the deal a bit
Bro really failed that saving throw... he chose racism over what was right!!!
Jamie clearly does know how to play the game.
Back when things were epic
"Hey buddy uh... so this war that's about to happen? It's horrifically one-sided. We're 1 great-house, plus the Greyjoys. against like 5 other great houses. Now I know Cersei murdered your liege lord, the queen, the king (people will assume she had a hand in his death), murdered the pope, and blew up the holiest site in Westeros. Also I know you were a hardcore Targaryen loyalist so joining up with them to overthrow our asses would be in character. But also like... what if I said please?"
Basically, racism trumps honor
I wonder what Randall could have been if someone competent wrote for the show at this point. Not a fav character of mine, but would have been interesting in a Stanis sense.
“Would you rather fight with us, or with the savages and eunuchs?” That argument would make more sense if the Dothraki had actually done something terrible, like if they had raided Tarly land or something. But at this point, the only savage in this conflict is Cersei. She murdered thousands of innocent people, destroyed the most holy site in Westeros, and usurped the throne. “You also made an oath to the crown” Cersei isn’t the crown. She’s a totally illegitimate ruler who has no claim and took the throne by committing an act of terrorism. The idea that Tarly, a Targaryen loyalist, would ever consider siding with Cersei is a huge pile of horse shit.
The dothraki has, they didn't magically stop raping and pillaging after they came to westeros. They're not civilized people not before and not after.
He swore allegiance to House Tyrell. Cersei blew up Mace Tyrell with the Sept of Balor. Randyl decides to work with Cersei. This makes sense.
in the Books the sept don't get blown, and mace tyrell is alive so is Randyl. They're all fighting against the foreign invader Faegon targaryen
Jaime being smart
Yes, it is all relative. Jaime is not a good politician compared to the biggest players, such as Tywin, Olenna, Tyrion, Baelish, Varys, etc, but he is still fairly good compared to simple military minds, such as Randyll Tarly and Eddard Stark.
„The Tarlys are honorable, how are we going to win them over to our clearly despicable cause?“
Jaime: *Appeals to their racism and then their greed. Problem solved*
Jaime: ollena is broken
Tarly should answer: after you nuked her whole lineage you expect her to be loyal to you?
In the good old days of GoT, there would have been a scene where Randyll Tarly was struggling with what to do. A scene - maybe a talk with his son - that illustrates the moral dilemma and would have made his final decision believable. What did we get in season 7? Garbage.
Jaime: "Betray Olenna Tyrell."
Randyll: "Nope, don't wanna betray my liege lady."
Jaime: "She's allied with some brown people."
Randyll: "COUNT ME IN!"
Damnit I liked him
High Garden bringing Dany to Westeros is STUPID AS FUCK
Yeah but what else to do? North, Riverland, Baratheon were in pure chaos; Arryn army was far away or in best case neutral.
Dorne have its own plans which Olena doesn't know so it is another gamble.
And Greyjoy's fleet is problem too, small problem but still problem
Is it just me or does Randyll kinda look like book Tywin
Dumb and Dumber kinda forgot that Tarly is not only the most fidelist of Targs but also the biggest mysoginist
However honarable this man was ... not anymore. Died a traitor.
and they say jaime has a better character development than Sansa....
really wish GRRM helped with the show still
GRRM wanted them to do 10 plus seasons! if they had used more book content,
GRRM used to write one full episode a season, he hasnt since s4, D and D think they can do it solo, well, they can't...
Both are solid.
Yeah he does have a better one.
genuinelyhonest1991 You're an idiot! There was no more book content thanks to GRRM being so late (& still is!) therefore it's ALL HIS FAULT. Hence D&D HAD to work on their own, regardless! GRRM left cos he was so late he couldn't delay it any further (not that it helped him at all mind u) and thus he left D&D in a tough spot to figure things out ON THEIR OWN! You twist the story as if they wanted it. That's bullshit made up by dumbshit haters. You seriously can't put two and two together can you??
Well, because it’s the truth...
Yes, side with the people who blew up your liege lord together with his daughter who’s the queen and his son who’s the heir to Highgarden. “Name means something” my ass
If you want to see what true dialogue and Westerosi aesthetic looks like: ruclips.net/video/Qm9KBfZW5pI/видео.htmlsi=RglnLMHgUZF4ktED
The lannisters destroyed his liege lords house and they killed the King he was sworn to…yet he sides with them now?
Jerico Swain
Swain
Tarly is a westerosi nationalist above all
Patriot
@@SuperGreatSphinx potato-potato
I didn’t know Swain supported the lannisters! This isn’t noxus
Jamie should have go to the hightowers they will love to replace tyrells
he fought for the crown, he also fought for the reach... him joining daenarys would of been epic... dumb writers
Yep, that's why it went to S#@T after season five
Tarley fight for him and lose his fight and his son
I never get why the Dothraki are considered such an overwhelming army/ calvary when they dont have armor on. I feel as if the Stannis Baratheon calvary which easily defeated the Wildlings in the Noth, could defeat the Dothraki as well. Makes me feel like George R. Martin or whoever wrote the Dothraki up so highly , didn't consider realities, and apply it to their fantasy writing.
the dothraki use bows from horseback ,look up the history of archers on horse fighting armored men with swords on horse .i think George knows his history and you don't.
@@fig1115 Lannisters had plenty of archers, and armor. And long spears, which if used together, would help neutralize the horses.
@@fig1115
show me their horse archers
I think they are kind of a parallel of the mongols or just a primitive war culture that would be overwhelming in an open field, which is where they rule.
Obviously if you take 10,000 of these guys vs 5,000 armed westerosi, I would give it to the Dothraki.
@@corsovene They are based on Mongols. The Mongols had a type of recurve bows that had the power to penetrate plate armor. This was the reason they were so lethal in combat and steamrolled 3 great civilizations. They also had armor made out of spider silk and unique cavalry tactics not seen in other places. The Dothraki don't have these things but this was the inspiration.
Olanna, broken? Jamie ur out of ur mind
No a good liar
Spoiler alert. This doesn't end well for House Tarley.
Nobody in their right mind would support cersies non existent claim as the crown and the ruling queen especially after what she did. And nobody would dare enter the city without an army and without her nearby in case she decides to nuke another section. Also why would Randyll not support Dany he is all for the targaryens. Not to mention shes the clear winning side lol. But nah be betrays his oaths because Dothraki...sure.
Can anyone drop the link for the theme song at the end?
ruclips.net/video/TZE9gVF1QbA/видео.html
Randall Tarly made the wrong choice, he should have sides with Olena Tyrrell.
The one-dimensional thinking of the writers made Tarley a straight-up villain. Yes, he hated his son Sam, but he was overall a pretty cool character, one of the legendary commanders on part with Robert and Stannis. Aaaaand he was a Targaryen supporter during the rebellion. It doesn't make sense that he would support a woman who did the walk of shame and then blew up the sept along with the high septa and Tarley's liege lord, the warden of The Reach, with his heir over a legitimately born Targarian.
Tarly's prefer to go to a BBQ. Response to video only.
ta garion? did he actually pronounce it like that?
Are they just walking in circles?
After having watched countless of early season GoT clip I got this one recommended to me and yup, the later seasons are still trash
I have an army to moblize and in the next season to come it was all for nothing.
Europe in 2034
tywin va randyl pls
Waste of time. Anything past S4 is dust to me.
Gold Dust
This made absolutely zero sense.
they butchered
show is so dumb, tarly’s were extreme targareyan supporters