I'm still impressed with what you get for the money with these subs. Easy way for someone to make their first wall. They are just fun to play around with. No stress if one blows because they are so cheap. I wonder if 12 of them could handle the 12k, probably not lol
@@potatojake197 Dual claims 175 RMS, that really depends on box/port tuning and subsonic filter. I'm sure if you cut out anything below 50hz they can get pretty loud. But if you like it low. Best to not play very many watts. I think they are still being sold on Amazon for 30 USD.
I'd like to see a shoot out with 60 dollar an under subs! Without necessarily blowing them up with high wattage just testing them with there ratings to see which blow an which actually survived. That would separate the decent budget speakers from the junk speakers.
I had the Duel subs from back when the dust caps were black. For $40 or less?! I can't recommend them enough! They're excellent for the money. Especially if you're in a spot where your speakers keep getting stolen. I love seeing the amount of abuse those things can tolerate before they blow. No excursion popping or anything. Those things sound great until the very end. They might shake some screws lose but they won't break your windows or your bank. Much love for the Duel subs!
I It's clean undistorted power combined with a huge box will give you decent results from entry level subs. Remember it's the box type and clean power that makes it sound good enough. Thank you for your video mate!
They performed quite well, considering the price. Pretty good bass for the buck! I would use these in home HiFi, with a ~200 watt receiver amp. Thanks for the test. The only knock on them, would be the voice coil rubbing, right out of the box. I would take that one back, and get it exchanged, if I were to install these in my home theater system. I'll bet they'll hold up very well, with smaller amplifiers.
I really want your channel to blow up man, your always positive never curse or bash any companies quality content and don’t have to worry about letting my kids watch with me.
That's the advantage of an efficient, small power woofer. Less power to get the suspension moving = less powerful amp to run it = less load on your vehicle's electrical system. Also, saves lots of $$$
I have 2 running on a hifonics zeus zxx.5000.5 wired at 2ohms 500watts they hit really nice for a begginner setup Also great video this was a great test. Really nice job sortening the box to give them a fighting chance
lol nice test i wanted to see it explode with fire smoke and everything else that comes with a bomb 12k taramp thats to much for those wally subs 😂😂😭😭👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏽👍🏽
I paused @ 11:50 to say that I already listened to the end of this and I agree with you 100%. That was well worth the money this time for sure. Double the pleasure. Double the fun!
The nice things about the DUAL subs is that if you are more into S.Q. builds? Its REALLY hard to go wrong! Just one of these does a good job with filling the cabin with sound. 2 of them is just right in the proper box. 8 of them is enough for small hair tricks. The great thing about these is that they work great in those Pre Fab Boxes. ~1.5 cubes. S.Q is where it is at. Sure, there are Better woofers out there. But if you spend the time to build the boxes to your Car or van? You really can't go wrong with these DUAL gear.
They remind me of my first subs. Kicker Comp 12s back in 1987. But the Comps had treated denim cloth dustcaps. LOL! And they cost more than twice the Duals.
I'm very impressed with duel, amps excead power rating and I've personally heard them on a fosgate 500.1 mono block, and in my opinion, they hit just as good as the p1. Thanks to videos like this you can do comparisons, and honesty, I'll get duel before boss, hifonics ( not the 90's hifonics) pyle, anything that doesn't meet or exceed RMS ratings
New companies blow kicker, jl, Rockford, DD, and zstat out the water with price and subwoofer size. Like skars zvx series isnt even their biggest sub and it still out plays the rockford t2 power, jl w7, digital design 9500, etc. New audio shits on the retro.
Jaaco w the Bookbag I’ll take a rockford T2 over a skar zvx anyday lol. I’ve heard both. Not saying the zvx line is bad, but them T2s were just beast. The ZVX line might be better than T1s maybe
I gave a like and a comment just for you saying "I can do that, it's my channel" you are goddamn right. These actually seem pretty decent for $30 for some extra bass in a single box without spending a lot. Like the old Polk db12s that were only $30 but could handle a few months of abuse
I bought one of these for my sons car. It sounded great but didn’t last long. I got him the cheapest skar 12” at the time and it’s still going 3 years later. Been a great sub.
Great video! I love to see cheap speakers do surprising good results! And like you said, since they have soft parts they can be able to reach certain volumes easier than a beefier sub. To my understanding, the beefier subs are more suitable for ultra low frequencies or extreme dbs but there are times that we don’t need them to be so beefy depending on the application. And with that said, you can get surprising numbers out of cheap subs just like you did. I wish you can get a hand of some old-school pyramid audio subs because we know that nowadays pyramid audio sucks.
A softer suspension won't make them more efficient all around. It's their lower moving mass. A stiff suspension (allowing for a narrow air gap!) with a low moving mass is the most efficient, at the cost of higher Fs of course. That's how pro audio woofers are made. Bugger all in the lowest lows but in the midbass, 50Hz+ they can often reach 100dB/W/m anechoic in a ported box!
@@Bassotronics True, however the same physical principles that apply to woofers apply to subs as well obviousy. I mentioned PA woofers rather than subs because a Pro 12" is obviously still a woofer while in the car world a 12 is a sub. To have a sub with PA grade efficiency, it's cone needs to be extremely large. 18" or rather 21" are the common sizes for "true" PA subs, and they also have a comparatively low moving mass and a very stiff suspension so the air gap can be as narrow as possible. Keep in mind the power needed to overcome a speaker's suspension, is to a large degree only apparent power and not real power, because the power remains in the system and get released again when the cone bounces back to the center. Think of it like driving up a hill and then coasting down again. So a steeper incline (=stiffer suspension) doesn't neccessarily mean you waste more power when you can coast downhill at the same angle again. Anyhow, speaker physics are complicated and at times counterintuitive, that's why we have TSP, measurement tools, and/or sim software to easily calculate approximate speaker performance in a given enclosure without having to think about such things :)
I was wondering if you have ever tested a Dayton audio ultimax sub. I was thinking of installing a single 10 inch sub in a 2 cube ported box. I'm trying to decide on skar evl or dayton. Looking for deep bass! Love your tests thx
I order a Taramps smart 3k and the Skar evl12 loaded enclosure. You think they can handle the 3k or should I turn down the gain to achieve the 2500k they are rated at?
I find that cheaper subs sound amazing on higher power... i have 2 pioneer 306 series in a 3.08 cubic ft box tuned to 40hz that i built and they slam pretty hard... my whole car flexs... and it is powered by a ds19 gen 6000.1D... i hope u do more budget subs so i may consider upgrading
I'm trying to learn more about subs I have a 7000 watt precision power monoblock amp what subs should I get I blowed my hammy down opti drives I had them about 5 years lol
@@ctrey8395 You can buy a pair of ds18 genesis 12s or 15s or if you want to spend a little more you can buy a pair of soundstream r3 12s or 15s depending on the space you have, get the box built to spec and tuned to 40 hz for a louder experience or 35hz for a better low quality sound, adjust the gain on the amp to suit the subwoofers and you will be amazed
I've been watching a few of your videos, love to see close bass heads. (North Carolina) Sucks that the area where I live doesn't have any car audio places.. Closest one is an hour away. But keep doing your thing dude! Keep pumping out videos!
Im from south Carolina I go up to Charlotte alot for sound also Raleigh and I been to a place in cary not long ago but one nice place was Wilmington but your right the westside by the mountains are lacking big time
@@bmanclassics4350 what's the best German sub and how can I get in contact I want subs from different countries just think it would be something nice to have
@@justinhowle7302 u can sub to my channel I don't do car audio much anymore I'm more into racing now but the best brand I can think of is volfenhag is great if u can find their older subs the newer stuff is ok for entry level stuff....
I'll b droppin new content next week I jus got my engine dropped in my Durango...but if u want advice in car audio I got you bro...if u can get your hands on a Brutus monoblock 1200 or higher that be a great amp far as bang for your buck...
I've built a couple nice Walmart systems for my wife. The Sony 12's and the Sony 1000w amp Has descent base for the price. With a Fosgate capacitor. Especially on old stock clearance. An entire system for $500 or less.
I wish someone like you would try Rock for Fosgate or Kicker after playing all of the good competition subwoofers I wonder what the difference would be like? In your opinion. I wonder if Rockford Fosgate or Kicker the ones that are priced around a hundred sixty bucks are worth it these days haven't had them in my car since the 90s.
You can buy 15., or 18s, from skar or ct sounds for under 150, pyle for 50, kicker for 200 and blow the hell out of them, or buy a plastic sub from Rockford fosgate, I will say this I will not purchase any sub that walmart is carrying, that makes them a non proprietary company. Walmart is the cheap place right?? You can buy cadence beast 12s at my local flea market for around 200 and I seen on termlab, 149 spl on 1 in a honda civic dx hatch on dd 2000.1,
Those w0’s are some damn good subs. Had 4 hooked up to a Fosgate t1000 and they sounded great! Rated @ 300 rms watts each and my T1000 put out 1386 watts according to the birth sheet.
Confucius say: "Cheap speaker mean cra.ppy sound." I say: "Listen to Confucius. the boy knows his sh..." You really do get what you pay for. I learned that the hard way decades ago. Peace out.
The Sundowns are pretty impressive along with the Skar line. I tend to be more SQL than SPL . Did car audio for a living for 35+ years. One big boomy bass note just sounds like ass.
6:35 People obsessed with subs with huge motors need to learn a thing about something called efficiency, so I'm glad you mentioned this. This is why you don't find subs like this in prosound. People would be surprised by the Xmax numbers you'd find in professional sound reinforcement subwoofers.
Pro audio subs, like 18 inchers are generally rated for 800-1500 watts rms, not even 2k rms is easy to get, but they hit unbelievably hard for their power rating.... In my room I was blown away how 2 18inch pro audio subs at 3000watts rms absolutely destroyed 2 sundown x18 by a mile running on 6000watts rms...at 38hz and above....
Lol, true test of clean power . Taramps are "dirtier" power than most amps so I doubt they gonna last too long. Btw yeah I have a taramps md8k so I'm not just talking trash, only way to get a sh!t ton of power affordably, just gotta keep ur eye on the clip meter that's all
is it worth to buy a taramps ds 250x2 for 80 bucks? i don't want a ton of power, just around 80W but i don't if it's worth the money or should i buy another brand? onky that in my country there aren't a lot of brands available
@@f.a3202 if it's for a subwoofer I think it's probably a good idea, but for mids/highs I wouldn't get it, they share a output terminal and that made me pass on taramps to run my doors. I was looking at the 440x4 but got a nvx jad 800.4 instead
Man I had four as a starter system, they got down on a 1000 watt Kenwood amp, had to change a sub once a month as they would all go out a month after each other 💯😭😭 hope they’re still around when my 2 year old becomes 16 😁😁😁😁 he’ll definitely have four in whatever ride he has 🤔😭
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 . That was awesome Parker. Excellent point about motor structure. I'm finding out that light and strong are just as good as giant and heavy. You should check out some lanzar ST , you can get four twelves for 150 bucks they have big 103 oz motors with super light 2.5 in coils. I love these for quick an durteee builds and they actually sound really good on music.
My boy has these subwoofers these are the most horrible sounding subs on the market I would go with the IX 12s D4 from skar audio for $50 for a budget bang !
Yeah the Skar ones are way better. I would use these dual ones in my wife’s car. She has a hidden Skar single 12” in her trunk. Its not there for spl but just for added bass. It’s only on a small 200watt amp. But this dual what work in an Application like that. I like how it didn’t take long for these to blow. Love it.
@@robsorgdrager8477 Seriously ,quit spread that bullshit no enclosure is going to somehow transformed those pieces of shit in to some acoustic monsters.🤦♂️
my friends never listen to me when i tell them how good the 12" walmart duals are for starter subs if you dont want to go comp, i loved my walmart duals when i had them. i really wonder how one of those compares to my current JL 12TW3 though in loudness
I would never buy dual...but walmarts by me sell power acustik gothics and ive had some good outcomes with those. Its actually what my current set up is.
@@gruenkejoey I have a power acoustik gw-124 and it definitely bumps. I have it on a 400 watt amp and it's hitting pretty much full excursion and gets warm after a while so I doubt the 1200 watt RMS claim. Maybe in a sealed box that's too small. I have a couple videos on my channel about the box, building it and the design
And this, my friends, is why Walmarts return policy cannot be beaten! These subs would make a nice low budget home audio set up running off 12 volt computer speakers with decent wattage. Sub'd and Thumbs Up!
appreciate this vid more than you know no for sure I'm going to pair these with the Dual Electronics XPR82D for that extra bass in my 19 eclipse cross thanx bro
Loved the video, love how you show us cheap subwoofers! Now I know these are cheap, but most people don't like spending hundreds of dollars on subwoofers. I know I don't. It would be so cool to see a video comparing all the different entry level subwoofers from the big brands! Skar IX 12" Skar SDR 12" RF P1 12" RF R1/R2 12"s Kicker COMP 12" Pyle (idk model but it's a cheap sub) 12" Pioneer TSW 12" Kenwood KFC 12" Now not all of these we would wanna see, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not including, but all these subs I put are around the $50 range or so and would honestly make great videos like this one, but on the cheap. Find which cheap sound sounds best and has highest SPL!
I have 3 skar IX 12s in a sealed box on an old 500 watt RMS (allegedly, had to install a second battery because my headlights were damn near turning off when the bass hit) Rockford amp in a crown vic and they sound good and are pretty solid subs for the price... I've also seen some people with pretty legit setups running the old school Kicker Comps (Yellow stitching) but idk if the newer ones are as good... From my experience from the other brands in the past the only ones I would say not to buy would be the Pyles… From what I've seen nothing they make is worth the time it takes to install even if it's free... If you have a low budget I don't think the Skars will disappoint...
@@user-hu9gf5ky7p I haven't... I don't run it hard all the time so the second battery seems to do the trick fine... I have 4ga from the front to the rear battery, then all 0ga in the trunk... I have a decent size AGM in the trunk and my voltage stays steady now even when running them hard... I will be putting something bigger in soon though and will probably have to do all that, but for now it is keeping up fine on stock...
Great video. Just goes to show you like u said big heavy type needs more juice to perform. In the past i have run a gutted house sub enclosure with little to no power and had great results.
Did he adjust his highpass filter up in frequency when he shortened his vent length? If not, letting the subs bottom out like that will blow any brand. I purchased a 10' Type x in a box tuned to 48Hz (bassworx max power) on recommended 1000 RMS and smoked the hell out of it because the high pass was limited to 15 or 30 Hz on the amp. I built a custom vented box for it tuned to about 29Hz and was able to run 1000 RMS per coil (dvc) with no issues.
@@That_Car_Kidd Here in spain nobody knows what a big three is. When I lift the bonnet people look at it and go wtf. You can't get high output alternators either. I had the get the biggest one for my model of car which was a 210A 14.5v not bad to be honest while stock was 110A but everything that i see on youtube you can not get in spain or from the uk. And rockford is well overpriced here😂
@@That_Car_Kidd taramps luckily has amps here but skar etc non existant. If you look up solocaraudio.com they have all the brands that are here. But you can also see how expensive they are here. I personally wanted 2 12" skar evl's but with importation etc it doubles the price almost. Recently a brand called chess audio has become quite popular with rms power for subs above 1000 and mids from 200rms. And they are a reasonable price. I have 2 pioneer tsw306c with a pioneee gmd9704 bridged at 400rms with a prefab box at 40hz and hopefully will replace them with a 2 chess subs of 1300rms each dual 4ohm with a taramps 1800.1 and I want to build a dual ported enclosure at 35hz. i saw from dynos they hit 2600rms at 1ohm. So hopefully it turns out great!
@@landoflakes92 It's not about how many watts its about lining up the best amount of watts that the speaker can handle also the box and placement is a factor, I have a ported box built to the speaker specs in a hatchback and they sound pretty damn good
I'm using a 15" subwoofer that came out of a cambridge audio home entertainment system enclosure. I built a box tuned to 37hz and with the boss 1100m amp and it's not to bad. I will get a better amp and sub soon, just wanted to see what it could do.
Possibility the subs fried because the amp is a 1 ohm impedance and both subs operate at 4 ohms? My previous amp was rated for 815w rms per channel at 2 ohms and the subs I were using were dvc 2 ohms at 400rms a piece. Expecting the amp to have power headroom, it went into protection mode about 20 minutes after operation every time. To this day I still have no clue why the amp would go into protection. Was it producing too much power for the subs at 2 ohms? I re wired the subs to 4 ohms being that it's 4 ohm compatible and it hasn't gone into protection since. I would rather run 2 ohms but I'm still clueless as to why the amp shit out on me. Probably going to get some svc 2 ohm 12's for my next build and just wire it to 1 ohm, thoughts? I'm just glad blowing the Duals didn't fuck up your Taramp.
I think you should get a speaker repair kit and do a give away to your supporters. Those that support your channel would probably feel like they where apart of the experience!
I had no idea the those american bass you use on a daily are the elites! I know you're all about them, but I honestly thought that you used the XFL ones w direct leads. I could never tell cuz the face is the same lol. But that's awesome dude. I'm so glad you told me to buy them! They've never let me down. Although, that craving to get louder is eating at me, and I've been considering buying 2 more and another amp and strap them together. You deff got the amp to do that with, which is what I'm guessing your planning. Gonna wall it off, huh? I know you'll have a great result.
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At least they have decent quality control, they both failed at the same time
Lmao 🤣. Underrated comment
It was like 5000watts of constant power. Those things are rated for like 600w max
It looks like one failed before the other. Look at the cone movement before the subs went OC.
For $30 what do I want??
Well when blew, all the power went to the other so...
I'm still impressed with what you get for the money with these subs. Easy way for someone to make their first wall. They are just fun to play around with. No stress if one blows because they are so cheap. I wonder if 12 of them could handle the 12k, probably not lol
You would need 120 subs for that 12k amp
100 watts per speaker x 120 speakers = 12,000watts
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again if you could correct him, you knew what he ment
@@Make-Asylums-Great-Again I'm sure those lil woofers could take more than 100w
24 of them lol would be cool to see
@@potatojake197 Dual claims 175 RMS, that really depends on box/port tuning and subsonic filter. I'm sure if you cut out anything below 50hz they can get pretty loud. But if you like it low. Best to not play very many watts. I think they are still being sold on Amazon for 30 USD.
6:38 so basically, get 10 of these. Put them on a 1200watt taramps. Turn the back of your suv into a giant 4th order.
I mean only 300 bucks for 10 subs
Do it!!! Make the content!
@@WonkiTerps I would if my vehicle was that big haha
Just take them back to walmart.
definitely like a 45 day return policy
@@rickmathews6044 doesnt matter, they were blown the day they left the factory lol
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Lmfao
william killingsworth that’s what i did got my money back the lady didn’t even notice the burnt smell😭😂
140 + Db's with $60 subs...Awesome!
I'd like to see a shoot out with 60 dollar an under subs! Without necessarily blowing them up with high wattage just testing them with there ratings to see which blow an which actually survived. That would separate the decent budget speakers from the junk speakers.
I had the Duel subs from back when the dust caps were black. For $40 or less?! I can't recommend them enough! They're excellent for the money. Especially if you're in a spot where your speakers keep getting stolen. I love seeing the amount of abuse those things can tolerate before they blow. No excursion popping or anything. Those things sound great until the very end. They might shake some screws lose but they won't break your windows or your bank.
Much love for the Duel subs!
Damn 60$ worth of subs and did a 143+db lmao pretty impressive Parker never disappoint 🔥 🔊
Seems like they held up pretty good for 30$!
Yeah not too bad
@@ParkerTheBasshead so what would you say is the best rms to push these with? 200w?
supa dupa why would you want these
@@musclecarsdaily3020 cheap and dont need a ton of power
supa dupa also wont sound good and will blow
Great channel man it's clear you have your car audio knowledge and I'm enjoying learning even more about my favorite hobby from you!
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It's clean undistorted power combined with a huge box will give you decent results from entry level subs. Remember it's the box type and clean power that makes it sound good enough. Thank you for your video mate!
I'm diggin' the dollar speaker cook-off challenge. Hey, some bass heads need entry level specs. Subbed and keep em comin'! 🔊🔊😁👍
Thanks for the sub I really appreciate you!
@@ParkerTheBasshead what's your IG?
Do they even have good bass
They performed quite well, considering the price. Pretty good bass for the buck! I would use these in home HiFi, with a ~200 watt receiver amp. Thanks for the test. The only knock on them, would be the voice coil rubbing, right out of the box. I would take that one back, and get it exchanged, if I were to install these in my home theater system. I'll bet they'll hold up very well, with smaller amplifiers.
I really want your channel to blow up man, your always positive never curse or bash any companies quality content and don’t have to worry about letting my kids watch with me.
Thanks man! I really appreciate that. Hopefully will blow up one day soon!
Subbed to you just because of this comment
Pretty awesome and interesting vid dude! I was actually surprised by how much they were able to withstand. Very cool
That's the advantage of an efficient, small power woofer. Less power to get the suspension moving = less powerful amp to run it = less load on your vehicle's electrical system. Also, saves lots of $$$
I have 2 running on a hifonics zeus zxx.5000.5 wired at 2ohms 500watts they hit really nice for a begginner setup
Also great video this was a great test. Really nice job sortening the box to give them a fighting chance
lol nice test i wanted to see it explode with fire smoke and everything else that comes with a bomb 12k taramp thats to much for those wally subs 😂😂😭😭👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏽👍🏽
I paused @ 11:50 to say that I already listened to the end of this and I agree with you 100%.
That was well worth the money this time for sure. Double the pleasure.
Double the fun!
Awesome vid bro! More like this! The budget sub vids are best!
Thanks man I’ll keep them coming!
Dam those duals took almost 5k and survived that pretty amazing !!!!
The nice things about the DUAL subs is that if you are more into S.Q. builds? Its REALLY hard to go wrong! Just one of these does a good job with filling the cabin with sound. 2 of them is just right in the proper box. 8 of them is enough for small hair tricks. The great thing about these is that they work great in those Pre Fab Boxes. ~1.5 cubes.
S.Q is where it is at. Sure, there are Better woofers out there. But if you spend the time to build the boxes to your Car or van? You really can't go wrong with these DUAL gear.
yea you can, your channel :D got me laughing out loud
They remind me of my first subs. Kicker Comp 12s back in 1987. But the Comps had treated denim cloth dustcaps. LOL!
And they cost more than twice the Duals.
Back than those comp held twice the power at 1ohm
I'm very impressed with duel, amps excead power rating and I've personally heard them on a fosgate 500.1 mono block, and in my opinion, they hit just as good as the p1. Thanks to videos like this you can do comparisons, and honesty, I'll get duel before boss, hifonics ( not the 90's hifonics) pyle, anything that doesn't meet or exceed RMS ratings
yeah love it. i like the setup. im ready for the next vid.
Thanks man!! Will try to get another one out as soon as I can
Keep the videos up bro Love the Channel and how its growing
Thanks so much!
Good job Parker! love your vids. I was proud of thoughts little subs..
Try a kicker CompQ 12”. See how kickers best round sub compares to the newer companies out now.
New companies blow kicker, jl, Rockford, DD, and zstat out the water with price and subwoofer size. Like skars zvx series isnt even their biggest sub and it still out plays the rockford t2 power, jl w7, digital design 9500, etc. New audio shits on the retro.
Jaaco w the Bookbag the skar zvx, are not even close too my DD 9500...
Yeah I would love to see a comp q get tortured see what it can take lol
Jaaco w the Bookbag I’ll take a rockford T2 over a skar zvx anyday lol. I’ve heard both. Not saying the zvx line is bad, but them T2s were just beast. The ZVX line might be better than T1s maybe
As someone thats coming back after a long time I would love to see the difference in these newer hi excursion subs vs the old hi efficiency types
I gave a like and a comment just for you saying "I can do that, it's my channel" you are goddamn right.
These actually seem pretty decent for $30 for some extra bass in a single box without spending a lot. Like the old Polk db12s that were only $30 but could handle a few months of abuse
These old videos are gold 🎁
Yessir way back!!
I bought one of these for my sons car. It sounded great but didn’t last long. I got him the cheapest skar 12” at the time and it’s still going 3 years later. Been a great sub.
0:50 That Quintiple front face baffle tho. (5 ribbed layers for her pleasure..) 😆
I'm running these in a custom sealed down firing box in my 1990 Corolla wagon and I couldn't be happier for a budget system!
Mmm Toyota wagon
How many subs and how many watts ?
Zeus Apollo how many subs & watts
I am just in it for the Toyo wagon
Cool video! I was rooting for them to hold up. They did better on burps than I would have expected.
I just watch couple of you videos outstanding great set up you have and knowledge you have thanks
Great video! I love to see cheap speakers do surprising good results!
And like you said, since they have soft parts they can be able to reach certain volumes easier than a beefier sub. To my understanding, the beefier subs are more suitable for ultra low frequencies or extreme dbs but there are times that we don’t need them to be so beefy depending on the application. And with that said, you can get surprising numbers out of cheap subs just like you did. I wish you can get a hand of some old-school pyramid audio subs because we know that nowadays pyramid audio sucks.
A softer suspension won't make them more efficient all around. It's their lower moving mass. A stiff suspension (allowing for a narrow air gap!) with a low moving mass is the most efficient, at the cost of higher Fs of course.
That's how pro audio woofers are made. Bugger all in the lowest lows but in the midbass, 50Hz+ they can often reach 100dB/W/m anechoic in a ported box!
@@westelaudio943
Exactly but for higher frequencies, not low lows.
This is a subwoofer test, not a woofer test.
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True, however the same physical principles that apply to woofers apply to subs as well obviousy. I mentioned PA woofers rather than subs because a Pro 12" is obviously still a woofer while in the car world a 12 is a sub. To have a sub with PA grade efficiency, it's cone needs to be extremely large. 18" or rather 21" are the common sizes for "true" PA subs, and they also have a comparatively low moving mass and a very stiff suspension so the air gap can be as narrow as possible.
Keep in mind the power needed to overcome a speaker's suspension, is to a large degree only apparent power and not real power, because the power remains in the system and get released again when the cone bounces back to the center. Think of it like driving up a hill and then coasting down again.
So a steeper incline (=stiffer suspension) doesn't neccessarily mean you waste more power when you can coast downhill at the same angle again.
Anyhow, speaker physics are complicated and at times counterintuitive, that's why we have TSP, measurement tools, and/or sim software to easily calculate approximate speaker performance in a given enclosure without having to think about such things :)
@@westelaudio943
👍🏻😊👍🏻
@@Bassotronics
BTW I just noticed you're the guy who made Bass I Love You, haha that's cool man 👏
Guess he doesn’t know sometimes when subs go they can take your amp with them! They dead short and to much juice flows and cause damage to the amp to!
Love the test you being doing on these subs ! New subscriber!!!
I really appreciate you!!
Wassup sir, I appreciate the video it's fun seeing cheap budget subs pound out
I was wondering if you have ever tested a Dayton audio ultimax sub. I was thinking of installing a single 10 inch sub in a 2 cube ported box. I'm trying to decide on skar evl or dayton. Looking for deep bass! Love your tests thx
I have the Dayton ultimax um22-12 on my home theater system its hooked to a 1,100 crown amplifier and it rattles my living room walls.
@@floydbeard5073 crown... that's some clean power. Thx
I order a Taramps smart 3k and the Skar evl12 loaded enclosure. You think they can handle the 3k or should I turn down the gain to achieve the 2500k they are rated at?
You’ll have to mess with it. Will probably have to turn it down a little
I love the enthusiasm after blowing them loll.. nice vid white brotha❤️
Awesome vid man !
Better than the Rockville,lol
Hahahahaha
Suazzz I hope that was a joke and not literal
Suazzz sorry to say it but any Rockville sub will out do the duals dual used to be a good brand back in the day though before being bought
Hahaha
Its definitely not better than Rockville brah
Try some Blaupunkt subs. Same price with push terminals. Good vid, very entertaining.
Also love watching your videos fr
I'm excited to see this. I ran one of these in the crappy Walmart sealed box for a year, it wasn't a thumper but it sounded fine.
For context I now run an Alpine S series 12 dual voice coil, Alpine M500 monoblock amp, BassWorx ported back wedge box.
1:40 WAAAAAAIT bro you Don't have a h/o altenator at all? if this is correct I might do this with a 4k amp
I find that cheaper subs sound amazing on higher power... i have 2 pioneer 306 series in a 3.08 cubic ft box tuned to 40hz that i built and they slam pretty hard... my whole car flexs... and it is powered by a ds19 gen 6000.1D... i hope u do more budget subs so i may consider upgrading
I'm trying to learn more about subs I have a 7000 watt precision power monoblock amp what subs should I get I blowed my hammy down opti drives I had them about 5 years lol
@@ctrey8395 You can buy a pair of ds18 genesis 12s or 15s or if you want to spend a little more you can buy a pair of soundstream r3 12s or 15s depending on the space you have, get the box built to spec and tuned to 40 hz for a louder experience or 35hz for a better low quality sound, adjust the gain on the amp to suit the subwoofers and you will be amazed
Nice vid man.
Always fun to see some destruction
I've been watching a few of your videos, love to see close bass heads. (North Carolina) Sucks that the area where I live doesn't have any car audio places.. Closest one is an hour away. But keep doing your thing dude! Keep pumping out videos!
Thanks man!!
@Mark Seven West side, right before you head up the mountains.
Im from south Carolina I go up to Charlotte alot for sound also Raleigh and I been to a place in cary not long ago but one nice place was Wilmington but your right the westside by the mountains are lacking big time
You guys in the states don't know how lucky you are with such a big market of car audio. Still new to the scene and have a 12k haha
If u have access to the German market...they have great stuff bro
@@bmanclassics4350 what's the best German sub and how can I get in contact I want subs from different countries just think it would be something nice to have
@@justinhowle7302 u can sub to my channel I don't do car audio much anymore I'm more into racing now but the best brand I can think of is volfenhag is great if u can find their older subs the newer stuff is ok for entry level stuff....
I'll b droppin new content next week I jus got my engine dropped in my Durango...but if u want advice in car audio I got you bro...if u can get your hands on a Brutus monoblock 1200 or higher that be a great amp far as bang for your buck...
You should enter the cheap spl challenge with a couple more of those you’d be crushing the challenge I think you already won lol
Haha when I build a box for 6 12s I might try it
You can do 150$ SPL challenge sub only
Skip01 hit in the 150s on a md8k
😂😂😂
@@big6n4 skip also did a 153.5db with 2 rockville k6 12's
I've built a couple nice Walmart systems for my wife. The Sony 12's and the Sony 1000w amp Has descent base for the price. With a Fosgate capacitor. Especially on old stock clearance. An entire system for $500 or less.
Love the gas station encounters beat in the backround!
I wish someone like you would try Rock for Fosgate or Kicker after playing all of the good competition subwoofers I wonder what the difference would be like? In your opinion. I wonder if Rockford Fosgate or Kicker the ones that are priced around a hundred sixty bucks are worth it these days haven't had them in my car since the 90s.
You can buy 15., or 18s, from skar or ct sounds for under 150, pyle for 50, kicker for 200 and blow the hell out of them, or buy a plastic sub from Rockford fosgate, I will say this I will not purchase any sub that walmart is carrying, that makes them a non proprietary company. Walmart is the cheap place right?? You can buy cadence beast 12s at my local flea market for around 200 and I seen on termlab, 149 spl on 1 in a honda civic dx hatch on dd 2000.1,
Got one of those AB elites and my god it is impressive.
They really are!!
The magic smoke packed from the factory.
Hey 👋 Parker Overall what the best 12 inch you came across ? Are the AB Hd1 any good ?
It would be cool to see some old school 12s and how they hold up to today's subs. I suggest some good old jl audio w0 12s.
tony baker or some old school Memphis
Those w0’s are some damn good subs. Had 4 hooked up to a Fosgate t1000 and they sounded great! Rated @ 300 rms watts each and my T1000 put out 1386 watts according to the birth sheet.
I bought one of these to try it out, horrible sound bro, i returned it how it came, bought myself a Kenwood 12 inch sub, uff big difference man
Im getting a slight exo vibe here and i love it keep up the good work
What set it would you recommend for daily use... Was looking into the american bass... What amp would you use.... Itll be in a stock silverado
I have Walmart subs because of this video. Not on a taramps 12k. But well over their “recommended” power
Confucius say: "Cheap speaker mean cra.ppy sound."
I say: "Listen to Confucius. the boy knows his sh..."
You really do get what you pay for. I learned that the hard way decades ago. Peace out.
Ahh , yankee dog... You bring democracy , we bring Dual Chinese subwoofer... We show you!
@@mikehileman9476 I been looking at the Chinese brands I heard they pretty good what brand is best
@@ctrey8395 these are mot built to last . the Rockvilles are exceptionally bad
They blow if you look at them wrong.
@@mikehileman9476 so tell me what good
The Sundowns are pretty impressive along with the Skar line. I tend to be more SQL than SPL . Did car audio for a living for 35+ years. One big boomy bass note just sounds like ass.
6:35 People obsessed with subs with huge motors need to learn a thing about something called efficiency, so I'm glad you mentioned this. This is why you don't find subs like this in prosound. People would be surprised by the Xmax numbers you'd find in professional sound reinforcement subwoofers.
Pro audio subs, like 18 inchers are generally rated for 800-1500 watts rms, not even 2k rms is easy to get, but they hit unbelievably hard for their power rating....
In my room I was blown away how 2 18inch pro audio subs at 3000watts rms absolutely destroyed 2 sundown x18 by a mile running on 6000watts rms...at 38hz and above....
They did me good. I have the full set. Dual 6 1/2 in speakers plus the subwoofers
Lol, true test of clean power . Taramps are "dirtier" power than most amps so I doubt they gonna last too long. Btw yeah I have a taramps md8k so I'm not just talking trash, only way to get a sh!t ton of power affordably, just gotta keep ur eye on the clip meter that's all
the smart 3 sounds great !!! ive had a bunch of taramps and the smart 3 is the best sounding ive had yet
@@mazda2284 I was leaning twords 3 of those before I bought the MD, just couldn't justify extra price and extra wiring for em.
is it worth to buy a taramps ds 250x2 for 80 bucks? i don't want a ton of power, just around 80W but i don't if it's worth the money or should i buy another brand?
onky that in my country there aren't a lot of brands available
@@f.a3202 if it's for a subwoofer I think it's probably a good idea, but for mids/highs I wouldn't get it, they share a output terminal and that made me pass on taramps to run my doors. I was looking at the 440x4 but got a nvx jad 800.4 instead
@@erik120719 yeah i actually need it for a small subwoofer! guess I'm gonna get it!
thank's for the help :)
When they came on I thought you had gas
Bahahahaha
Man I had four as a starter system, they got down on a 1000 watt Kenwood amp, had to change a sub once a month as they would all go out a month after each other 💯😭😭 hope they’re still around when my 2 year old becomes 16 😁😁😁😁 he’ll definitely have four in whatever ride he has 🤔😭
Haha that's awesome man, good stuff!
One day I'm gonna get on this level 💪
But those subs are HORRIBLE
@@LifeofLeium I'm talking about the build obviously 🤦🏽♂️
Magnets the size of poker chips.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 . That was awesome Parker. Excellent point about motor structure. I'm finding out that light and strong are just as good as giant and heavy.
You should check out some lanzar ST , you can get four twelves for 150 bucks they have big 103 oz motors with super light 2.5 in coils. I love these for quick an durteee builds and they actually sound really good on music.
this really just goes to show what a really good box can do. In a box one would probably usually put these in I would be impressed to see 105 db xD
My boy has these subwoofers these are the most horrible sounding subs on the market I would go with the IX 12s D4 from skar audio for $50 for a budget bang !
D2 *
Yeah the Skar ones are way better. I would use these dual ones in my wife’s car. She has a hidden Skar single 12” in her trunk. Its not there for spl but just for added bass. It’s only on a small 200watt amp. But this dual what work in an Application like that. I like how it didn’t take long for these to blow. Love it.
I promise you I can make these sound good ..... Not great but I promise I can build an enclosure that will make these things rattle your guts.
@@robsorgdrager8477 Seriously ,quit spread that bullshit no enclosure is going to somehow transformed those pieces of shit in to some acoustic monsters.🤦♂️
Power acoustik is pretty beast i pushed a mofo hard for 3 years and i still have it coils are still just as clean then when i bought it good subs
my friends never listen to me when i tell them how good the 12" walmart duals are for starter subs if you dont want to go comp, i loved my walmart duals when i had them. i really wonder how one of those compares to my current JL 12TW3 though in loudness
Gavin Willoughby no comparison jl to dual that’s a joke
Your friends probably think you're an idiot too. Lol
Going to Walmart for subs shouldn’t even be an option
I would never buy dual...but walmarts by me sell power acustik gothics and ive had some good outcomes with those. Its actually what my current set up is.
@@gruenkejoey I have a power acoustik gw-124 and it definitely bumps. I have it on a 400 watt amp and it's hitting pretty much full excursion and gets warm after a while so I doubt the 1200 watt RMS claim. Maybe in a sealed box that's too small. I have a couple videos on my channel about the box, building it and the design
And this, my friends, is why Walmarts return policy cannot be beaten!
These subs would make a nice low budget home audio set up running off 12 volt computer speakers with decent wattage.
Sub'd and Thumbs Up!
appreciate this vid more than you know no for sure I'm going to pair these with the Dual Electronics XPR82D for that extra bass in my 19 eclipse cross thanx bro
DatBoyRoy that xpr82d is one bad lil amp
Volume is one thing but sound quality is a whole other
Bro I see some flexibility on those hahaha good job eating those watts ...
That was cool 👍👍👍
Subscribed !
Thanks man I appreciate you!
Loved the video, love how you show us cheap subwoofers! Now I know these are cheap, but most people don't like spending hundreds of dollars on subwoofers. I know I don't.
It would be so cool to see a video comparing all the different entry level subwoofers from the big brands!
Skar IX 12"
Skar SDR 12"
RF P1 12"
RF R1/R2 12"s
Kicker COMP 12"
Pyle (idk model but it's a cheap sub) 12"
Pioneer TSW 12"
Kenwood KFC 12"
Now not all of these we would wanna see, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not including, but all these subs I put are around the $50 range or so and would honestly make great videos like this one, but on the cheap. Find which cheap sound sounds best and has highest SPL!
I have 3 skar IX 12s in a sealed box on an old 500 watt RMS (allegedly, had to install a second battery because my headlights were damn near turning off when the bass hit) Rockford amp in a crown vic and they sound good and are pretty solid subs for the price... I've also seen some people with pretty legit setups running the old school Kicker Comps (Yellow stitching) but idk if the newer ones are as good... From my experience from the other brands in the past the only ones I would say not to buy would be the Pyles… From what I've seen nothing they make is worth the time it takes to install even if it's free... If you have a low budget I don't think the Skars will disappoint...
@@mariusjenkins7294 have you done the big 3/4 in ofc copper wire for your alternator and battery and engine earths?
@@user-hu9gf5ky7p I haven't... I don't run it hard all the time so the second battery seems to do the trick fine... I have 4ga from the front to the rear battery, then all 0ga in the trunk... I have a decent size AGM in the trunk and my voltage stays steady now even when running them hard... I will be putting something bigger in soon though and will probably have to do all that, but for now it is keeping up fine on stock...
With your normal setup almost all SUV's the port facing the back hatch is louder
Agree!
They seem pretty good for just $30
Great video. Just goes to show you like u said big heavy type needs more juice to perform. In the past i have run a gutted house sub enclosure with little to no power and had great results.
Did he adjust his highpass filter up in frequency when he shortened his vent length? If not, letting the subs bottom out like that will blow any brand. I purchased a 10' Type x in a box tuned to 48Hz (bassworx max power) on recommended 1000 RMS and smoked the hell out of it because the high pass was limited to 15 or 30 Hz on the amp. I built a custom vented box for it tuned to about 29Hz and was able to run 1000 RMS per coil (dvc) with no issues.
Damn those 0 gauge wires looking thick af
Yessir! Oversized SkyHigh Wire
djflame340 My niece saw me open my package for my big three and thought I bought a hose 😂
@@That_Car_Kidd Here in spain nobody knows what a big three is. When I lift the bonnet people look at it and go wtf. You can't get high output alternators either. I had the get the biggest one for my model of car which was a 210A 14.5v not bad to be honest while stock was 110A but everything that i see on youtube you can not get in spain or from the uk. And rockford is well overpriced here😂
djflame340 I’m personally not a big fan of Rockford, what brands are big in your area?
@@That_Car_Kidd taramps luckily has amps here but skar etc non existant. If you look up solocaraudio.com they have all the brands that are here. But you can also see how expensive they are here. I personally wanted 2 12" skar evl's but with importation etc it doubles the price almost. Recently a brand called chess audio has become quite popular with rms power for subs above 1000 and mids from 200rms. And they are a reasonable price. I have 2 pioneer tsw306c with a pioneee gmd9704 bridged at 400rms with a prefab box at 40hz and hopefully will replace them with a 2 chess subs of 1300rms each dual 4ohm with a taramps 1800.1 and I want to build a dual ported enclosure at 35hz. i saw from dynos they hit 2600rms at 1ohm. So hopefully it turns out great!
30bucks perfect for a daily car
Hey great stuff I need to know where you got your door speaker pods for your sequoia. I can't find anything for mine
I've got a question do you have a high performance alternator running in your engine or just a regular alternator?
I got 2 of these on an oldschool BOSS 500w bridged and everyone who hears it is stunned
Sure they are
@@landoflakes92 It's not about how many watts its about lining up the best amount of watts that the speaker can handle also the box and placement is a factor, I have a ported box built to the speaker specs in a hatchback and they sound pretty damn good
@@hughjanus9136 not nearly good enough to stun anybody other than those uneducated to better things.
@@rabbidpotatoegaming4514 No they are stunned at the amount of bass I was able to get from 2 cheap ass subs and a cheap ass old amp
I thought for the taramps the best is hd seeing md they still perform the same.
For Bass the MD is better
The MD is the lowest end we had in years. We don't even carry them anymore
I'm using a 15" subwoofer that came out of a cambridge audio home entertainment system enclosure. I built a box tuned to 37hz and with the boss 1100m amp and it's not to bad. I will get a better amp and sub soon, just wanted to see what it could do.
Possibility the subs fried because the amp is a 1 ohm impedance and both subs operate at 4 ohms? My previous amp was rated for 815w rms per channel at 2 ohms and the subs I were using were dvc 2 ohms at 400rms a piece. Expecting the amp to have power headroom, it went into protection mode about 20 minutes after operation every time. To this day I still have no clue why the amp would go into protection. Was it producing too much power for the subs at 2 ohms? I re wired the subs to 4 ohms being that it's 4 ohm compatible and it hasn't gone into protection since. I would rather run 2 ohms but I'm still clueless as to why the amp shit out on me. Probably going to get some svc 2 ohm 12's for my next build and just wire it to 1 ohm, thoughts? I'm just glad blowing the Duals didn't fuck up your Taramp.
I think you should get a speaker repair kit and do a give away to your supporters. Those that support your channel would probably feel like they where apart of the experience!
Nice subs for my wife
Very impressed for those subs,, 142 definitely should do the budget sub challenge.
I had no idea the those american bass you use on a daily are the elites! I know you're all about them, but I honestly thought that you used the XFL ones w direct leads. I could never tell cuz the face is the same lol. But that's awesome dude. I'm so glad you told me to buy them! They've never let me down. Although, that craving to get louder is eating at me, and I've been considering buying 2 more and another amp and strap them together. You deff got the amp to do that with, which is what I'm guessing your planning. Gonna wall it off, huh? I know you'll have a great result.
Yeah hope to wall it eventually!