I own both a Bambu X1C and an FLSUN V400. I love both, but having the AMS for multi color prints is awesome. ❤️ But I love watching my delta printer in action.
I just took delivery of the S1. The software isn't baked. First layer calibration is not reliable. Probe accuracy is like .05. Machine has some crazy kinematics but that's where the positives end. Luckily it's klipper so should be able to sort out the issues.
Yeah...um why do you hate bambu so much, where did they touch you? Your comparing apples to oranges. These two machines are completely different use cases. Stop with the constant click bait BS and just review printers.
The problem with this 3d printer is it is to big for most homes and also it is to loud as most people have there printers in there room and it also can’t print in multi colour
@@freelectron2029He got pissed after Bambu wouldn’t send him a free X1CC, after deliberately not following instructions from a Bambu employee to fix a squeaky P1P motor. Honestly, dude fell off from being too entitled.
Will be directing folks to your video here for the technical details on this machine. Way over my head. Printer Heavy Printer Loud Printer Print Fast My basic understanding 😂🤣
That would be awesome! There are some other great videos out there too, but I haven't had a chance to give it a proper tear-down. Should be great for cosplay stuff too
I watched someone test the flow rate as well and it's nowhere near the advertised flow rate. I haven't watched this video yet so I don't know if he tested that. It is faster than a Bambu X1C though.
Ive had the FLSUN V400 and I have the Bambulab P1S... I will say hands down the Bambulab is WAYYYY less headache than the Flsun.. I don't get the hate on Bambulab... they have a great customer service and great machines... this is coming from someone who started on an Ender 3 and worked his way up.
Everyone likes a fast printer, and this is some very cool technology. My low volume manufacturing interests are print quality, part strength (not consistent with super fast printing), larger volume for printing multiple copies, print reliability (needed for printing multiple part jobs), long term durability and easy/inexpensive maintenance.
I received mine today. It is fast. I have 2 k1 maxes modded with linear rails and extruders with carto. One print I put on slicer stated 4 hrs on the k1 max. Decided to put it on the flsun s1 with same settings and it was printed in 1 hour 20 minutes!!! Insanely fast
Is it dimensionally accurate? I'm talking about running clearance tests and torture toaster and other benchmarks like that since to me it looks like it can Definetely put out parts quick however if you need a part that fits into another part, or a part that fits into something else I'm worried it won't fit or will require so much more clean up to the point where it's not saving you time. For decoration items and cosplay it looks awesome
@@chrismay2298 one thing is running pre sliced models and another is printing your own parts and or benchmarks you sliced yourself. I own a super racer and the pre sliced nut and bolt screwed together perfectly, still can't get parts that fit together or fit onto something else that's a specific size. No it is not my part that is the issue, I've printed the same parts on an ender and a bambu which came out pretty accurate and accurate on the bambu even on the ender, it was still accurate enough to fit. And I understand that is an older machine but so is the ender 3 v1 I printed thr same part on.. I don't have a v400 but I heard some things about it being inaccurate too. Just trying to find out if this is worth the money or I'm better off buying something else as a 3rd printer
I definitely feel like they are moving in the "wrong" direction. with a delta you could go to very high chamber temps easily to make a machine suited for abs/nylon/PC really well. instead they made it go 1200mm/s which isnt really that good since 300mm/s is basically the fastest you can go without loosing a ton of layer adhesion.
Still going to wait on the T1. 1000mm/s vs 1200/ms is like getting pulled over doing 150mph vs 200mph, your still going faster than most everybody out on the road by ALOT.
Yeah the T1 is going to be the one to get for most people. S1 is like... so unnecessary, but awesome. The ideal use case for this IMO is for an engineer that is doing rapid prototyping. Getting a test part made in half the time is a huge deal.
If this was 500X500 it would be my next printer. Looking forward to your full review Nathan. This would be a great first printer for anyone who can afford it. I am so glad to see a printer company that didn't rush out a half-baked printer and force their customers to be the Beta testers. What a novel concept having easily accessible USB ports, it's almost like they used their grey matter. Hey printer manufacturers, make bigger printers!!!!!
I wouldn't use the word obsolete. Speed wise, it's great competition so good on flsun for moving the bar up. Lets see how BL responds. But we still can't ignore the AMS. It broke barriers to colorful creations right off the bed, as well as excellent supporting with support materials. Overall very different tools.
This is awesome, but it absolutely dose not make bambu "obsolete". That might be what other competitors want, but they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Bambulab was a wake up call for manufacturers…pitty that prusa is lagging so much as they push much more for open source than others…let’s see how things develop but meanwhile it’s a great time for consumers having this crazy machines (unbelievable just a few years ago)
@@NathanBuildsRobots Couldn't agree more. I only have the KE from the newer ender lineup, but it's great that Creality is pretty much like "yeah, go ahead and throw klipper on it. It's cool". Hoping my K2 continues the trend.
I would to call myself a Bambu Lab fanboy (because I currently use a couple of A1s) but I love 3D printing and additive manufacturing in general regardless of brand. If this was available last year, I would probably have bought it! The main caveat being how loud this thing is (which I’m guessing is mainly the CPAP fan).
Ohh I so wish it wouldn't cost 1500 money units, otherwise I could probably find an excuse getting one. It would look fantastic sitting in the living room since it looks so cool. I could probably put my cat bed on top of it to quiet the noise more effectively than a sock, and then she could use it as a tall lookout tower. And that benchy looks just as good as my Ender 3's 1 hour benchy
Finally a company that puts the power and USB ports on the front - Kudos. So far from what I have seen from the S1 its performing well. Hope you run some speed tests with the S1 and compare it to the Bambu X1C. Also compare the build plate sizes - how much do you gain or lose with each (over impose the two build areas to give an idea of printing real estate they have. BTW with this coming to market, do you think this will prompt Bambu to make a larger printer with say a 400mm cubed or more build area? Thanks for the video.
Bambu said recently they've been working on some "special" flagship printer set to release sometime in 2024 (probably late 2024). I'm curious if it's just a bigger build area, or if they've got something else up their sleeve.
I have an Anycubic Predator. The father of this printer. I even just used the v400 profile on it and got a fast, decent print out of it. May try s1 profile. The predator is STOCK. To me Delta is the way! Have prusa and Bambu too. Look forward to YOUR printer....
I was actually looking for a Anycubic Predator to use for parts to make a polar printer with. It's massive, I cant believe a printer that big just got forgotten about. Now companies are finally getting around to making printers that size again and acting like it's a big deal! It's been done already, like 6+ years ago!
Yeah the rolling shutter effect is making things get weird. Maybe I can increase shutter speed, and get this thing printing a vase mode at the same frequency as the frame rate, so it just looks like the printhead is floating upward, producing a cylinder
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, that's still like an order of magnitude faster than the physical limits of cooling (heat conductivity out of plastic) without extreme subambient air. 33ms frame time vs around 500ms being around the lowest layer time I've seen achievable.
Everyone seems to love their Bambu printers. I'm just not a big fan of closed systems so i decided to hold off until a competitor sells a similar product with open source.
@@dangerous8333 yeah, I do not have time to learn every new closed source product as they planning their obsolescence. 'Cause life is short, so I stick with opensource products which will be forever with me, you learn it once and for all. = )
Good job Nathan showing us the new speed king! Any future videos into their details? Would love to see what’s really inside this 3 legged creature? Main Board? Drivers? Klipper versions? Motor size? Weight of the print head? Looking fwd to more of this and T1 too. Thank you ❤
Very cool. Ive had a few deltas over the years one was junk one was too small but usefull for smaller models and one after some work was insanely fast with pla but never really got it tuned for petg. This is pretty amazing for a production machine everyone is gonna have to step up their game or bs marketing.
It looks like a full on professional machine but the price really aint that bad id say its pretty good even especially when compared to other options at that price point.
I would like to see FLSUN succeed with their new printers. Their early deltas were mediocre at best particularly due to reliability issues. Hopefully they have that sorted.
Is a C-Pap really a fan? If it is the same as a turbo then it has an impeller and not a fan blade. I don't think Bambu Lab are obsolete, far from it, they probably have something waiting in the wings to derail their competitors, the best strategic time to unveil their next enclosed printer is just as the S1 and the K2 are ready to ship, although I cant see them being too afraid of Creality as if they are true to form the K2 will be full of faults and bugs.
I would get one of these if they sold them on Amazon. I am not willing to risk the official FLSUN store return policy of only 7 days of free returns - it is not enough time for me to set it up and give it a very good test. And after 7 days, I would need to pay for return shipping (without any kind of commercial shipping discount I imagine it will be hundreds to ship back).
Impressive specs but definitely not something for the average consumer. Your typical joe doesn’t really need anything more than a P1S. Even then you can get just about three of them for the price of a single S1. I like the included filament dryer. If it had multi material function built in with it, that’d help its case. It will probably compete well against the X1E if its auto tuning features are good since their prices are similar and it has the build volume advantage. That being said, my guess is it’ll have underwhelming market performance. Though, if it can get the other companies to push their machines to greater heights, I’m all for it.
Most deltas (all commercial ones, I think) make really poor use of machine volume, with overly long arms and wide effectors, both of which subtract a lot from usable volume and reduce rigidity/stability relative to volume. But they don't have to be that way.
@@daliasprints9798that's the downside to the delta system, though. Long arms are needed to be able to reach every area of the build plate, and needs to be extremely tall for the same reason. Also why the build plate is circular.
@@theElemDragon Necessary delta machine height scales as (build diameter + build height) and machine footprint diameter as build diameter plus small fixed overhead. When I say overly long arms, I'm not talking about what's needed to reach the build area, but additional length beyond that. Usually this is added to bound the minimum angle, because of mostly unfounded concerns about outrunning the motors' max speed when it's really low. That would matter if you actually wanted to print at 3000 mm/s, but since you can't anyway, it's fine to have a min angle of 20° or even less.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsIt really is only limited by software, it looks like its built very well, but from what I’ve seen the print quality still isn’t up there with Bambu Labs and I think most of it is just software stuff, including user interface stuff. We shall see, from what I hear FLSUN risked everything on this, which I respect.
I would be carefull with the superlatives. We all know in justa few short weeks, the competition will outdo this. Then they will be undone. So and and so forth. For this is the history of 3d printing.
@chrismay2298 Chris first off I'm basing this off of my personal super racer which could not put out a single dimensionally accurate print, prints came out nice, but not accurate and reviews on the v400 saying that was also pretty inaccurate. Another review I read about this printer said that the quality at most is barely passable even with their own filament. That's why I'm commenting on a video with someone that physically has experience with this printer to see if I can get some insight on whether it would be a good investment of $1.6k or if I'd just be throwing that huge amount of money at something to print desk trinkets and pen holders. I love flsun for innovating and being fastest in the world right now, I love my super racer and how prints come out. I DONT love how none of my parts fit together on my super racer that fit perfectly fine together on an ender and or bambu printer. If it's accurate, this is a phenomenal product. Otherwise what's the point in printing fast if it's all smoothed and inaccurate. That being said, do you own any deltas? What model and how have you liked them so far? Thanks for your time reading this, hope you have a great day
@@EthanTrevino-ov9rp I used to run SeeMeCNC Deltas buy now have two super racers and an Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus running nearly 24/7. I've always been very fastidious about tuning and maintenance on my printers and have had very good accuracy in the vast majority of situations. I also had a farm of 5 Folgertech H bots and had the same experiences. Both my super racers had a tendency to overextrude out of the box but since doing a full calibration, as one should with every printer, have been dead on. Running Klipper and Sherpa minis on the super racers. Most of the inconsistent prints I see are a result of slicer oddities and may be a result of how they deal with delta kinematics more than the kinematics themselves.
Very cool machine and great to see other some competition in the market. Sadly this isn't the right machine for me, due to: - Size - Size to build volume - Noise I think it isn't easy for everyone to find a space for this machine, who has this only as a hobby. Maybe they find a solution to shrink the dimensions of the frame. I hope you can show us in the future some videos of the inner parts. Especially why the head is so enormous?
Yeah this machine is very specialized. definitely not for everyone. On another note, I think it would make a lot more sense to use a hexagonal build volume for deltas. They are wasting space in there for no good reason
Just bought a p1s combo. Isn’t even opened. Just saw this. $1200 is too much for me but the T1 isn’t. The sound and size isn’t a problem for me. The speed is a big bonus but what I really want is quality prints, trustworthy parts, and a trustworthy workflow but speed would be great if that was all equal. The T1 will undoubtedly be compromised in parts even if the speed is mostly at S1 while it’s new in working order. Bambu are known for longevity and a super solid workflow. I’m best off sticking with the p1s over the still unknown likely jankier T1 with still jank software, right…?
@@enhidri160 That's my hope. I plan on hot swapping colors so the AMS is really just about making that more convenient but a single would have been fine. The reason I didn't save money on an A1 is that I live in a home with a lot of pet hair that floats.
Is there a revo option for it? And is the chamber heated in anyway? And i guess multi color is not a option with it? Also why is it so low temp this thing could potentially go 300ish degrees I would have added 3 spools and did splicing of the filament in the middle Or maybe make it at least dual extruder.
Drop the price to five hundred and add multicolor and it will be able to compete with BL and Anycubic in the hobby market. When bed slingers get linier rails, they kick ass.
BL is obsolete if: 1. You have space for a printer the size of a washing machine 2. You prefer having a jet engine going off in your house for hours on end
To be fair, bambu printers started off sounding like jet engines too, before some firmware updates. But now P1S' start the fan at full power on print start and it's still super loud.
@@got_logic1320TBF the fans could be quieter like the A1 but without them, your print would look like a depressed saggy mess w/o proper cooling, especially on an enclosed machine.
SO FAST...... in PLA. Any filament that's actually useful is still running Ender3 speeds because you're limited by the filament properties rather than the machine. Also, it's a delta, so that's a hard pass(I've owned one, yes it was an FLSUN). I'm going to go back to making lemonade out of the lemons I got with the Kingroon KLP1.
Keep your eyes on this space, Bambulabs will soon announce the Bambu D1 with the tag line "at least we're not breaking our promises with the motion system this time"
It looks like a really well engineered printer. FLSun dances to their own tune, and it’s always exciting to see what they come up with. All that’s missing is an MMS/AMS type color changer, but with it using Klipper we should see some solutions that work with it (like 8-Track). Are you doing to bring this to Open Sauce this year?
At $700 theyd get me. But the price of two p1s makes more sense for "production". If it breaks, 0 production. One p1s goes down, still producing right? FLSun missing the memo imo.
Nah they’ve got the memo. The real use of something like this, I will get into in another video. It’s really meant to be a rapid prototyping machine, not a production 3D printer. If you can do 2x the iterations during design and prototyping, that’s huge
@NathanBuildsRobots I agree with that. I was more so commenting on the title of the video. For someone who produces 400-500 parts a month on average I would have a hard time justifying this for production purposes at this price point. Still seems like it's nice but that was why I commented that.
Sure you can probably reach peak speeds of 110mm3/s, but yeah. The hotend is shorter than a Goliath but longer than a volcano. Pretty much it’s a Paetus UHF, and it’s flow rate should be similar to thta
I am sad that this channel has gone the way it has, I used to be subscribed months ago as what was being said was helpful and informative. Now he just raves about companies that still give him free stuff and negs anyone that doesn’t. Shame that this is the way that he has decided how to score products, give me free and I’ll give you great reviews, else I’ll slag you off hahaha.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Printer does everything I need it to do and it’s paid for…trying to see how that means I NEED the printer you’re trying to push. But yeah….”obsolete” man, I get it.
@@NathanBuildsRobots you’re integrity is completely on the line here. I’ll stay sub’d because you make great content. But as far as reviews go, I gotta consider you obsolete, because you are clearly still butthurt.
I’ve never cared about fan noise. It’s loud because of airflow. You can’t have fast speeds without big fans. Hobby wise I can see why people hate it. Business wise. It’s irrelevant. It’s a tool. And you’re not going to be living in your print farm.
@@NathanBuildsRobots i have a k1 last version the beta version V1 of the k2 will be tested from nice yung ppl in the states and next year ill get the k2 plus V2 :) now the delta is a printer known for its print quality ! and speed im not a expert im a simple user
I wouldn’t buy a printer without AMS. Need it for support interface material. I can’t avoid it for all my technical parts. So for me this printer isn’t interesting. Most of the time I print with a cap of 6mm3/s anyway to have the highest layer bonding possible. I print mainly ABS, PAHT-CF and PC.
Rephrased, we have abundance of money & equipment so only sane way is to go Fast 😂. Keep moving fwd and don’t look back 😊. Way to Go FLsun💪 Bamboo please keep up. Thanks Nathan for showing this great machine❤.
Fans are loud...fans are needed. Im sure the fan can be replaced with a quality fan of quiet nature....maybe. Thanks for the run down on this printer. I trust your knowledge... youre one of the smarter 3D print you tuber guys lol. It's obvious!
Everyone is speculating about maybe a large frame bambu coming because of the fire sales. However if history serves us, they’ll show up with a resin printer. PS, I am not a bambu karen/fanboy.
Atlast a delta, that NBR can rave about🤯👍👍. Just wait for a ballscrew version, for FLSun to beat themselves🔮. Hope they ported the Prusa Slicer, to include support for their new generation of printers, instead of limiting themselves to Ultimaker Cura. The CPAP turbine can be converted to a triangular box containing 3 Noctua Cpu cooler fans(in a tilted down configuration), for much lower noise, without compromising the air flow rate🤔. Now that NBR has built a quad polar delta successfully, Its time that NBR build a hemisphere skate rink, and put the FLSunS1 on servo wheels to make the worlds first support agnostic FDM printer😂❤👍
Oh man, they would have to switch to ballscrews... or at least use thicker belts if they wanted even more speed. we are getting into dangerous territories though, these 3D printers are no joke, you could get injured by them when they are this strong and fast. Might need a door interlock soon!
Your video is yet another regarding this machine that provokes "distant thirst". What is "distant thirst"? It is an irrational hunger for a 3D printer I don't need. My $200 hobby printer has been more than satisfactory for a couple of years. It still works great. I have neither the desire nor the room for another printer at the moment. Yet, seeing this FLSUN makes me enthusiastic - for a moment - about acquiring one. I can afford it. I may be able to convince the spowess that it's a harmless hobby expense. However, explaining away the noise would be a different matter. It seems as if it might disrupt a household at night. I use my current printer about one week out of three. I only print stuff like little Walter White heads and benchies with tits. Sometimes I might print a shelf bracket, but come on. It would be cheaper to buy those from Hamazong. It's a hobby! So I won't buy this. But it's fun to know about it. The end.
The S1 forum at this moment is filled with some serious issues. Print quality wise it's "meh" to "bad", reliability is very iffy, mechanical dimensional accuracy is dowright bad, firmware is iffy, speed claims are totally ridiculous and the way the hotend is build makes printing abbrasives or more-technical-challenging stuff litterally KILL your hotend. Odd how you "failed to mention ANY that". Will stick to Clough for some honest decent reviews instead. For those wanna see a GOOD and thorough review of this machine : ruclips.net/video/toElmuNlCwk/видео.html
Make sure to like the video, Bambu Lab Fanboys will be out in full force to downvote this one 😄🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I own both a Bambu X1C and an FLSUN V400. I love both, but having the AMS for multi color prints is awesome. ❤️ But I love watching my delta printer in action.
I just took delivery of the S1. The software isn't baked. First layer calibration is not reliable. Probe accuracy is like .05. Machine has some crazy kinematics but that's where the positives end. Luckily it's klipper so should be able to sort out the issues.
Yeah...um why do you hate bambu so much, where did they touch you? Your comparing apples to oranges. These two machines are completely different use cases. Stop with the constant click bait BS and just review printers.
The problem with this 3d printer is it is to big for most homes and also it is to loud as most people have there printers in there room and it also can’t print in multi colour
@@freelectron2029He got pissed after Bambu wouldn’t send him a free X1CC, after deliberately not following instructions from a Bambu employee to fix a squeaky P1P motor. Honestly, dude fell off from being too entitled.
Will be directing folks to your video here for the technical details on this machine. Way over my head.
Printer Heavy
Printer Loud
Printer Print Fast
My basic understanding 😂🤣
Is the door "Uncle Jessy Proof" ? 😜
That would be awesome!
There are some other great videos out there too, but I haven't had a chance to give it a proper tear-down. Should be great for cosplay stuff too
I watched someone test the flow rate as well and it's nowhere near the advertised flow rate. I haven't watched this video yet so I don't know if he tested that. It is faster than a Bambu X1C though.
But the door is pretty sturdy Jesse, you might be ok with it lol
Idiocrazy wasn't just a movie.
Ive had the FLSUN V400 and I have the Bambulab P1S... I will say hands down the Bambulab is WAYYYY less headache than the Flsun.. I don't get the hate on Bambulab... they have a great customer service and great machines... this is coming from someone who started on an Ender 3 and worked his way up.
"great customer service" Citation Needed
@@NathanBuildsRobots cry
Everyone likes a fast printer, and this is some very cool technology. My low volume manufacturing interests are print quality, part strength (not consistent with super fast printing), larger volume for printing multiple copies, print reliability (needed for printing multiple part jobs), long term durability and easy/inexpensive maintenance.
Sounds like you’re describing a PRUSA
I received mine today. It is fast. I have 2 k1 maxes modded with linear rails and extruders with carto. One print I put on slicer stated 4 hrs on the k1 max. Decided to put it on the flsun s1 with same settings and it was printed in 1 hour 20 minutes!!! Insanely fast
Is it dimensionally accurate? I'm talking about running clearance tests and torture toaster and other benchmarks like that since to me it looks like it can Definetely put out parts quick however if you need a part that fits into another part, or a part that fits into something else I'm worried it won't fit or will require so much more clean up to the point where it's not saving you time. For decoration items and cosplay it looks awesome
Nero 3D ran a thread test print and calibration cube and it was decent.
@@chrismay2298 one thing is running pre sliced models and another is printing your own parts and or benchmarks you sliced yourself. I own a super racer and the pre sliced nut and bolt screwed together perfectly, still can't get parts that fit together or fit onto something else that's a specific size. No it is not my part that is the issue, I've printed the same parts on an ender and a bambu which came out pretty accurate and accurate on the bambu even on the ender, it was still accurate enough to fit. And I understand that is an older machine but so is the ender 3 v1 I printed thr same part on.. I don't have a v400 but I heard some things about it being inaccurate too. Just trying to find out if this is worth the money or I'm better off buying something else as a 3rd printer
It was ever so slightly better than my bambu x1c as far as accuracy @EthanTrevino-ov9rp
That's the nicest looking 16 minute Benchy I've ever seen... in 8 minutes.
It'd be really difficult for me to justify a single filament printer in 2024 at that price point.
I definitely feel like they are moving in the "wrong" direction. with a delta you could go to very high chamber temps easily to make a machine suited for abs/nylon/PC really well. instead they made it go 1200mm/s which isnt really that good since 300mm/s is basically the fastest you can go without loosing a ton of layer adhesion.
Thats the point
Multicolor printing should be the default in all high end printers these days. But if you just prototyping parts, this S1 would pretty cool.
Nice ignorant take, yeah I should be able to buy a 10 head printer with a build volume large enough to print a mini van...
@@krollmond7544 your ignorance is pretty apparent.
Still going to wait on the T1. 1000mm/s vs 1200/ms is like getting pulled over doing 150mph vs 200mph, your still going faster than most everybody out on the road by ALOT.
Yeah the T1 is going to be the one to get for most people. S1 is like... so unnecessary, but awesome.
The ideal use case for this IMO is for an engineer that is doing rapid prototyping. Getting a test part made in half the time is a huge deal.
T1 what it is?
@godbnc The T1 is the Baby Brother to the S1. Slightly Smaller and Slightly slower. When I mean Slightly I do mean SLIGHTLY. Think X1C vs P1S.
Quoted figures don't ring true in the real wold. It is obviously fast but not as fast as quoted. See other reviews.
If this was 500X500 it would be my next printer. Looking forward to your full review Nathan. This would be a great first printer for anyone who can afford it. I am so glad to see a printer company that didn't rush out a half-baked printer and force their customers to be the Beta testers. What a novel concept having easily accessible USB ports, it's almost like they used their grey matter. Hey printer manufacturers, make bigger printers!!!!!
I don't know about best first printer, but it's a great tool for prototyping
320 x 320 x 450 at these speeds is crazy
FLSUN Airlines makes one hell of a fast Benchy 🎉 I am super excited to see large model print times.
This 3D printer is completely unecessary... and i want one!
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I wouldn't use the word obsolete. Speed wise, it's great competition so good on flsun for moving the bar up. Lets see how BL responds.
But we still can't ignore the AMS. It broke barriers to colorful creations right off the bed, as well as excellent supporting with support materials. Overall very different tools.
Perfect use of a printer capable of a sub-10 minute benchy: to fit-in a whole preview video while it prints.
Wow for 8 minutes that benchy is very impressive. Very interesting machine will be interesting to see some results when its not pushed to the max
This is awesome, but it absolutely dose not make bambu "obsolete". That might be what other competitors want, but they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Wow, haven't seen a good Delta in a while 🔥
FLSUN has never given up on deltas. Good on them, sticking to their guns!
That spool be SPINNIN'! It seems like a super impressive machine. Hoping the T1 is really good too.
Bambulab was a wake up call for manufacturers…pitty that prusa is lagging so much as they push much more for open source than others…let’s see how things develop but meanwhile it’s a great time for consumers having this crazy machines (unbelievable just a few years ago)
Sovol and Creality have a quite favorable stance towards open source too. Bambu is the only one that wants to shut it down
@@NathanBuildsRobots Couldn't agree more. I only have the KE from the newer ender lineup, but it's great that Creality is pretty much like "yeah, go ahead and throw klipper on it. It's cool".
Hoping my K2 continues the trend.
You still complaining against Bambu Lab with every printer is out there…. Grow up man!!
No
I would to call myself a Bambu Lab fanboy (because I currently use a couple of A1s) but I love 3D printing and additive manufacturing in general regardless of brand. If this was available last year, I would probably have bought it! The main caveat being how loud this thing is (which I’m guessing is mainly the CPAP fan).
Yep it's one cooling upgrade away from cutting like 20 dB
Ohh I so wish it wouldn't cost 1500 money units, otherwise I could probably find an excuse getting one. It would look fantastic sitting in the living room since it looks so cool. I could probably put my cat bed on top of it to quiet the noise more effectively than a sock, and then she could use it as a tall lookout tower. And that benchy looks just as good as my Ender 3's 1 hour benchy
Finally a company that puts the power and USB ports on the front - Kudos. So far from what I have seen from the S1 its performing well. Hope you run some speed tests with the S1 and compare it to the Bambu X1C. Also compare the build plate sizes - how much do you gain or lose with each (over impose the two build areas to give an idea of printing real estate they have.
BTW with this coming to market, do you think this will prompt Bambu to make a larger printer with say a 400mm cubed or more build area?
Thanks for the video.
Bambubisnalreadybworking in their 300-400 sized printer, should be out soon
Bambu said recently they've been working on some "special" flagship printer set to release sometime in 2024 (probably late 2024). I'm curious if it's just a bigger build area, or if they've got something else up their sleeve.
I have an Anycubic Predator. The father of this printer. I even just used the v400 profile on it and got a fast, decent print out of it. May try s1 profile. The predator is STOCK. To me Delta is the way! Have prusa and Bambu too. Look forward to YOUR printer....
I was actually looking for a Anycubic Predator to use for parts to make a polar printer with. It's massive, I cant believe a printer that big just got forgotten about. Now companies are finally getting around to making printers that size again and acting like it's a big deal! It's been done already, like 6+ years ago!
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yep. You know that is why I like YOUR printer. Have you checked out the J5 series stsratasys yet. Check it out!!!!!
I love delta's so much I scratch built one but I don't think this would convince me to part with my X1C or P1S.
I love how your video of the effector motion has tearing from the speed being so much higher than the framerate. 😂
Yeah the rolling shutter effect is making things get weird.
Maybe I can increase shutter speed, and get this thing printing a vase mode at the same frequency as the frame rate, so it just looks like the printhead is floating upward, producing a cylinder
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, that's still like an order of magnitude faster than the physical limits of cooling (heat conductivity out of plastic) without extreme subambient air. 33ms frame time vs around 500ms being around the lowest layer time I've seen achievable.
Everyone seems to love their Bambu printers. I'm just not a big fan of closed systems so i decided to hold off until a competitor sells a similar product with open source.
Life's short.
@@dangerous8333 yeah, I do not have time to learn every new closed source product as they planning their obsolescence. 'Cause life is short, so I stick with opensource products which will be forever with me, you learn it once and for all. = )
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Yawn.
Lol, youtube, where is my comment? I did not write anything offensive there. And yet I have notifications to this post. = )
But can it finish the benchy print on a normal day before any other tennants complain?
Yes, i just have to turn the fans off
@@NathanBuildsRobots Lame! Just pretend to vacuum your floor. You need to work out how to explain why you need 8 minutes
hey this is a great idea, you just add wheels and connect vacuum hose to it. So you can clean your house while it is printing!
@yourt00bz People who are not disgusting usually.
I enjoy FLSun's lack of mind. Grabbing SRs at microcenter for $250 in anticipation of these showing up still has me smiling...😜
Nice!
Good job on the video..Will it print nylon/carbon fiber out of the box? Does it have a FLSUN Slicer?
Good job Nathan showing us the new speed king! Any future videos into their details? Would love to see what’s really inside this 3 legged creature? Main Board? Drivers? Klipper versions? Motor size? Weight of the print head? Looking fwd to more of this and T1 too. Thank you ❤
Will the filament chamber hold larger rolls like Atomic or Filastruder? I like the built-in filament dispenser - but it looks kind of cramped.
Very cool. Ive had a few deltas over the years one was junk one was too small but usefull for smaller models and one after some work was insanely fast with pla but never really got it tuned for petg. This is pretty amazing for a production machine everyone is gonna have to step up their game or bs marketing.
It looks like a full on professional machine but the price really aint that bad id say its pretty good even especially when compared to other options at that price point.
I would like to see FLSUN succeed with their new printers. Their early deltas were mediocre at best particularly due to reliability issues. Hopefully they have that sorted.
One thing for sure....I will only get this printer if I'm high on some white powder 😂
You want some? I've got some dehydrated boron nitride paste
Is a C-Pap really a fan? If it is the same as a turbo then it has an impeller and not a fan blade.
I don't think Bambu Lab are obsolete, far from it, they probably have something waiting in the wings to derail their competitors, the best strategic time to unveil their next enclosed printer is just as the S1 and the K2 are ready to ship, although I cant see them being too afraid of Creality as if they are true to form the K2 will be full of faults and bugs.
I would get one of these if they sold them on Amazon. I am not willing to risk the official FLSUN store return policy of only 7 days of free returns - it is not enough time for me to set it up and give it a very good test. And after 7 days, I would need to pay for return shipping (without any kind of commercial shipping discount I imagine it will be hundreds to ship back).
The footprint and filament setup - it'd be slick for a print farm. If you don't need access to back (or side) and could sandwich a bunch of them
I think this thing is ideally suited to a prototyping workflow, where every hour shaved off a print results in more iterations, and more improvement.
Or arrange 6 of them back to back like the Cray supercomputer!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
@@NathanBuildsRobotsThe FL Sun Farm - Super Crayprinter, coming soon to your enterprise reseller of choice.
@@NathanBuildsRobots Yeah, then you could hook up to some kind of centralized air conditioning source and you wouldn't need that cpap fan.
Impressive specs but definitely not something for the average consumer. Your typical joe doesn’t really need anything more than a P1S. Even then you can get just about three of them for the price of a single S1.
I like the included filament dryer. If it had multi material function built in with it, that’d help its case.
It will probably compete well against the X1E if its auto tuning features are good since their prices are similar and it has the build volume advantage.
That being said, my guess is it’ll have underwhelming market performance. Though, if it can get the other companies to push their machines to greater heights, I’m all for it.
I'm getting a Bambu printer and I'm going to love it, just to annoy you. 😀
Bambu makes great stuff, no hate ❤️
@@NathanBuildsRobotswait.. what? I thought you hated Bambu and everything about them lmao
I have always thought Deltas were superior and not enough time was spent improving the platform. The biggest problem is size.
Yeah they take up a lot of space. But most large-ish printers do
Most deltas (all commercial ones, I think) make really poor use of machine volume, with overly long arms and wide effectors, both of which subtract a lot from usable volume and reduce rigidity/stability relative to volume. But they don't have to be that way.
I thought the opposite, and so I'm impressed with this.
@@daliasprints9798that's the downside to the delta system, though. Long arms are needed to be able to reach every area of the build plate, and needs to be extremely tall for the same reason.
Also why the build plate is circular.
@@theElemDragon Necessary delta machine height scales as (build diameter + build height) and machine footprint diameter as build diameter plus small fixed overhead.
When I say overly long arms, I'm not talking about what's needed to reach the build area, but additional length beyond that. Usually this is added to bound the minimum angle, because of mostly unfounded concerns about outrunning the motors' max speed when it's really low. That would matter if you actually wanted to print at 3000 mm/s, but since you can't anyway, it's fine to have a min angle of 20° or even less.
Yesssss brooo got one of these, with some good software this is the new king
It really is. Idk if it has RBG lights, I think it should have RGB lights and an option for a quieter fan
@@NathanBuildsRobotsIt really is only limited by software, it looks like its built very well, but from what I’ve seen the print quality still isn’t up there with Bambu Labs and I think most of it is just software stuff, including user interface stuff. We shall see, from what I hear FLSUN risked everything on this, which I respect.
Good try delta! But I stick with my Ender 3. It does not sound so loud though. I guess I will need another upgrade with a vacuum turbine...
LOL! 😂
I would be carefull with the superlatives. We all know in justa few short weeks, the competition will outdo this. Then they will be undone. So and and so forth. For this is the history of 3d printing.
Down vote for the sarcastic thumbnail, upvote for the information though 😂
Gaslighting is my specialty 😎
Are the parts dimentionally accurate though? Otherwise itd be pretty bad for prototyping and making actual parts that fit into each other
Still falling for the "deltas aren't accurate" nonsense? 😂
@chrismay2298 Chris first off I'm basing this off of my personal super racer which could not put out a single dimensionally accurate print, prints came out nice, but not accurate and reviews on the v400 saying that was also pretty inaccurate. Another review I read about this printer said that the quality at most is barely passable even with their own filament. That's why I'm commenting on a video with someone that physically has experience with this printer to see if I can get some insight on whether it would be a good investment of $1.6k or if I'd just be throwing that huge amount of money at something to print desk trinkets and pen holders.
I love flsun for innovating and being fastest in the world right now, I love my super racer and how prints come out. I DONT love how none of my parts fit together on my super racer that fit perfectly fine together on an ender and or bambu printer. If it's accurate, this is a phenomenal product. Otherwise what's the point in printing fast if it's all smoothed and inaccurate.
That being said, do you own any deltas? What model and how have you liked them so far?
Thanks for your time reading this, hope you have a great day
@@EthanTrevino-ov9rp I used to run SeeMeCNC Deltas buy now have two super racers and an Anycubic Kossel Linear Plus running nearly 24/7. I've always been very fastidious about tuning and maintenance on my printers and have had very good accuracy in the vast majority of situations. I also had a farm of 5 Folgertech H bots and had the same experiences.
Both my super racers had a tendency to overextrude out of the box but since doing a full calibration, as one should with every printer, have been dead on.
Running Klipper and Sherpa minis on the super racers. Most of the inconsistent prints I see are a result of slicer oddities and may be a result of how they deal with delta kinematics more than the kinematics themselves.
I own a v400 which dimensionally inaccurate compared to my Prusa. I executed the Klipper advanced delta calibration many times without improvememts.
This printer is a hot pile of mess. (from personal experience)
Would love to see a higher quality print curious how high quality it can go
Very cool machine and great to see other some competition in the market. Sadly this isn't the right machine for me, due to:
- Size
- Size to build volume
- Noise
I think it isn't easy for everyone to find a space for this machine, who has this only as a hobby.
Maybe they find a solution to shrink the dimensions of the frame. I hope you can show us in the future some videos of the inner parts. Especially why the head is so enormous?
Yeah this machine is very specialized. definitely not for everyone.
On another note, I think it would make a lot more sense to use a hexagonal build volume for deltas. They are wasting space in there for no good reason
Just bought a p1s combo. Isn’t even opened. Just saw this. $1200 is too much for me but the T1 isn’t. The sound and size isn’t a problem for me. The speed is a big bonus but what I really want is quality prints, trustworthy parts, and a trustworthy workflow but speed would be great if that was all equal.
The T1 will undoubtedly be compromised in parts even if the speed is mostly at S1 while it’s new in working order. Bambu are known for longevity and a super solid workflow. I’m best off sticking with the p1s over the still unknown likely jankier T1 with still jank software, right…?
P1S combo has everything you’re looking for! One of, if not THE best printer I’ve used.
@@enhidri160 That's my hope. I plan on hot swapping colors so the AMS is really just about making that more convenient but a single would have been fine. The reason I didn't save money on an A1 is that I live in a home with a lot of pet hair that floats.
Is there a revo option for it?
And is the chamber heated in anyway?
And i guess multi color is not a option with it?
Also why is it so low temp this thing could potentially go 300ish degrees
I would have added 3 spools and did splicing of the filament in the middle
Or maybe make it at least dual extruder.
Drop the price to five hundred and add multicolor and it will be able to compete with BL and Anycubic in the hobby market.
When bed slingers get linier rails, they kick ass.
White benchy? Dude. Gray.
White is promotional mode.
Wow love your new fridge... Oh wait
My soda keeps coming out warm 😫
Going to need a garage for my printers if I get one of these. My p1p is the loudest thing I can deal with in my living room
Looks like a printer made for hot engineering plastics.
I agree, it would probably handle ABS CF-Nylon and ASA like a champ
Question:
Crazy speed = Poor layer adhesion ??
Not really with hyper PLA, it’s made to be cooled very fast still retaining fairly good layer adhesion
@@filgiupo4853with mine it had poor layer adhesion by a lot compared to the bamabu printing the same model
@@basking8888printing at the same speed?
How are the arm s connected to the effektor? M QQSpro had them screwed on while they just have a spring between the arms to clamp them in the v400.
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner. That would drive me insane. 🤣
Yep, I’m seeing if I can fix that
BL is obsolete if:
1. You have space for a printer the size of a washing machine
2. You prefer having a jet engine going off in your house for hours on end
Check, and..... Check!
Yep, Bambu Lab 110% obsolete
What’s the footprint size though. For most people, the height doesn’t matter. Is this really larger in x,y than a X1C, etc?
To be fair, bambu printers started off sounding like jet engines too, before some firmware updates. But now P1S' start the fan at full power on print start and it's still super loud.
@@got_logic1320TBF the fans could be quieter like the A1 but without them, your print would look like a depressed saggy mess w/o proper cooling, especially on an enclosed machine.
@yourt00bz #deltalife
Bambus are a tad quieter, do you can use them inside your home. And they have AMS. Still not obsolete.
He’s just trolling and click baiting with the title 😂
@@eriklundqvist4221it might not be best to do so if you’re supposed to educate people abt what to do with over $1000
SO FAST...... in PLA. Any filament that's actually useful is still running Ender3 speeds because you're limited by the filament properties rather than the machine. Also, it's a delta, so that's a hard pass(I've owned one, yes it was an FLSUN). I'm going to go back to making lemonade out of the lemons I got with the Kingroon KLP1.
Ummm sorta. I run my petgcf and even asa-cf at 22mm/s. On a p1p AND a troodon 2.0.
I’m shitting to this 🎉🎉
Likewise good sir
Keep your eyes on this space, Bambulabs will soon announce the Bambu D1 with the tag line "at least we're not breaking our promises with the motion system this time"
No more bedslingers!!!
i have a question for nathan should i get one of these and create a burnt toast broken flsun s1 thread (just to break it)
It looks like a really well engineered printer. FLSun dances to their own tune, and it’s always exciting to see what they come up with.
All that’s missing is an MMS/AMS type color changer, but with it using Klipper we should see some solutions that work with it (like 8-Track).
Are you doing to bring this to Open Sauce this year?
Yes, I'll bring the Ender 3 V3 Plus and some test prints from the big polar!
But no to the FLSUN and the Polar, they are tooooo heavy to bring on the plane :(
At $700 theyd get me. But the price of two p1s makes more sense for "production". If it breaks, 0 production. One p1s goes down, still producing right? FLSun missing the memo imo.
Nah they’ve got the memo. The real use of something like this, I will get into in another video.
It’s really meant to be a rapid prototyping machine, not a production 3D printer. If you can do 2x the iterations during design and prototyping, that’s huge
That's what the T1 is for.
Ill have to look into the t1. Only searched S1 because its been in my ad feed alot lately@802Garage
@NathanBuildsRobots I agree with that. I was more so commenting on the title of the video. For someone who produces 400-500 parts a month on average I would have a hard time justifying this for production purposes at this price point. Still seems like it's nice but that was why I commented that.
boy oh boy been waiting for this since you texted from bed
The flow actually being 30 not 110 is pretty upsetting….. straight up a lie
Sure you can probably reach peak speeds of 110mm3/s, but yeah. The hotend is shorter than a Goliath but longer than a volcano. Pretty much it’s a Paetus UHF, and it’s flow rate should be similar to thta
@@NathanBuildsRobots the heavy marketing about 110mm3/s is what left a bad taste with me
I am sad that this channel has gone the way it has, I used to be subscribed months ago as what was being said was helpful and informative. Now he just raves about companies that still give him free stuff and negs anyone that doesn’t. Shame that this is the way that he has decided how to score products, give me free and I’ll give you great reviews, else I’ll slag you off hahaha.
Typical Bambu Lab owner
@@NathanBuildsRobots sad little child, typical spoilt individual
Bro he has hated on many printers he gets for free he's not biast
To show print quality, the model should be printed in Black and not in white.
Just pray you never need to clear a jam
Nice looking Royale
It was my first watch. It's a good watch!
Can the S1 be converted to a Prusa Pro HT90?
Now you just look like you are an obsessed ex-girlfriend every time you mention Bambu Lab
Now you look like a Bambu fanboy whose printer is obsolete 🤣🤣🤣
@@NathanBuildsRobots wow…struck a nerve huh 🤔
@@NathanBuildsRobots Printer does everything I need it to do and it’s paid for…trying to see how that means I NEED the printer you’re trying to push. But yeah….”obsolete” man, I get it.
@@NathanBuildsRobots you’re integrity is completely on the line here. I’ll stay sub’d because you make great content. But as far as reviews go, I gotta consider you obsolete, because you are clearly still butthurt.
@@stevekay6895you sound more butthurt lol
So wait for Bambu to announce a larger printer?
Damn I thought my v400 was cool o3o
It's still cool, but a company needs to outdo their flagship every once in a while!
What happened to the SLS Micronics video? I'm assuming somethings were not meant to be shown.
Something like this :P
It will be back soon, don't worry!
@@NathanBuildsRobots Good thing I was able watch all of it :)
I’ve never cared about fan noise. It’s loud because of airflow. You can’t have fast speeds without big fans.
Hobby wise I can see why people hate it. Business wise. It’s irrelevant. It’s a tool. And you’re not going to be living in your print farm.
closed loop stepper motor new thing in 3dprinters comeing from cnc,s the k2 plus the same speed is a game now nice video
Nobody has seen a production version of a K2 Plus… you sure you want to comment on its speed and quality yet?
@@NathanBuildsRobots i have a k1 last version the beta version V1 of the k2 will be tested from nice yung ppl in the states and next year ill get the k2 plus V2 :) now the delta is a printer known for its print quality ! and speed im not a expert im a simple user
I wouldn’t buy a printer without AMS. Need it for support interface material. I can’t avoid it for all my technical parts.
So for me this printer isn’t interesting. Most of the time I print with a cap of 6mm3/s anyway to have the highest layer bonding possible.
I print mainly ABS, PAHT-CF and PC.
2100 dollars is just a bit more than 1300 dollars so different ballpark
It’s $1299 right now, not $2100? I’m confused
I looked it up and my ads all said 2100 but 1200 would be cool
We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little, we went insane.
Rephrased, we have abundance of money & equipment so only sane way is to go Fast 😂. Keep moving fwd and don’t look back 😊. Way to Go FLsun💪 Bamboo please keep up. Thanks Nathan for showing this great machine❤.
Sweet wristwatch, BTW...
Praise indeed.
Fans are loud...fans are needed. Im sure the fan can be replaced with a quality fan of quiet nature....maybe. Thanks for the run down on this printer. I trust your knowledge... youre one of the smarter 3D print you tuber guys lol. It's obvious!
9 months after they offered S1 for sale...........an actual review from a real person, not FLSUN's 30 second video clip
Yeah, they may have waited too long on this one, but as far as I can tell, the quality is there. No glaring issues so far
But Nathan isn’t a real person. He’s an AI. I’ve met him, so I know.
Everyone is speculating about maybe a large frame bambu coming because of the fire sales. However if history serves us, they’ll show up with a resin printer. PS, I am not a bambu karen/fanboy.
Bambu CEO already said in an interview that there will be a XL version coming.
Operation “copy PRUSA’s entire product line” is coming along nicely
@@NathanBuildsRobots But prusa released its core XY later than Bambu, even if it was announced before.
@TheChriss1301 "XL coming" when? I hope it's not just a rip off of the Prusa XL just like the A1 and Mini (Prusa Mk3 and Prusa mini).
@@krollmond7544 He said „this year“ when exactly, we don‘t know!
Nate, how is the slicer? Does it just work??? 😂
I'm sure it's fine. Worst case, we just have to wait for someone will put out a good OrcaSlicer profile
@@NathanBuildsRobots Nice, why couldn't these companies just use Orca during the development?
Show me a fast PETG print and then we can compare.
Atlast a delta, that NBR can rave about🤯👍👍. Just wait for a ballscrew version, for FLSun to beat themselves🔮. Hope they ported the Prusa Slicer, to include support for their new generation of printers, instead of limiting themselves to Ultimaker Cura.
The CPAP turbine can be converted to a triangular box containing 3 Noctua Cpu cooler fans(in a tilted down configuration), for much lower noise, without compromising the air flow rate🤔.
Now that NBR has built a quad polar delta successfully, Its time that NBR build a hemisphere skate rink, and put the FLSunS1 on servo wheels to make the worlds first support agnostic FDM printer😂❤👍
Oh man, they would have to switch to ballscrews... or at least use thicker belts if they wanted even more speed.
we are getting into dangerous territories though, these 3D printers are no joke, you could get injured by them when they are this strong and fast. Might need a door interlock soon!
Your video is yet another regarding this machine that provokes "distant thirst". What is "distant thirst"? It is an irrational hunger for a 3D printer I don't need. My $200 hobby printer has been more than satisfactory for a couple of years. It still works great. I have neither the desire nor the room for another printer at the moment. Yet, seeing this FLSUN makes me enthusiastic - for a moment - about acquiring one. I can afford it. I may be able to convince the spowess that it's a harmless hobby expense. However, explaining away the noise would be a different matter. It seems as if it might disrupt a household at night. I use my current printer about one week out of three. I only print stuff like little Walter White heads and benchies with tits. Sometimes I might print a shelf bracket, but come on. It would be cheaper to buy those from Hamazong. It's a hobby! So I won't buy this. But it's fun to know about it. The end.
Post July 5th will be interesting.
Okay okay it's stupid fast and good, but it's huge and the print area is not that big :(
When does the mini come out ?
If my Bambu X1C ever printed anything that looked that bad, I'd send it back to be fixed.
Damm looks like the prusa mk4 is dead in the water.
?
The S1 forum at this moment is filled with some serious issues. Print quality wise it's "meh" to "bad", reliability is very iffy, mechanical dimensional accuracy is dowright bad, firmware is iffy, speed claims are totally ridiculous and the way the hotend is build makes printing abbrasives or more-technical-challenging stuff litterally KILL your hotend. Odd how you "failed to mention ANY that".
Will stick to Clough for some honest decent reviews instead. For those wanna see a GOOD and thorough review of this machine : ruclips.net/video/toElmuNlCwk/видео.html
Отличные часы, принтер тоже секси, я хочу его.
Is it on sale?. $$$$$?
Yep, it's pretty much the same price as an X1C, $1200ish. You can check the price in the video description