Idk man. Losing a friend and co worker that you built a company with for 8 years and being forced to clean their mess by spending weeks with legal stuff, losing tons of money, having their brand diminished, fearing that their friends/coworkers and even people who just appear on their videos sometimes will be harassed and even lose opportunities because of it, having projects put on hold, maybe for longer now, to do this, AND having the entire thing on blast for everyone to consume like it’s silly gossip to laugh at and mock them for. Is kinda traumatic
Why would this stuff be feared, it is on the level. Of funny gossip after all. Im sure they get harassed just by virtue of being public figures, but their arent that many people out there who would react to a cheating story by stalking them or something, most people are going to make jokes because it isnt that bad
@@radiationshepherd They are being harassed, whether you think that's likely or not. Even if a low percentage of people would do that, that's still a fraction of millions of people. There are hundreds of those millions who would and did take it too far and not "just" make jokes.
Yeah, just one of those things would be traumatic for many, or even most, people. Like, your company and job in jeopardy is super stressful and can be traumatic, and that's just one thing on quite a long list.
@@radiationshepherd Being harassed because you're a public figure is also stressful, and something that should be normalised. Like, attention because you're a public figure is expected, harassment is not.
there's some 'snowflake' logic in both the SNL sketch and the gatekeeping trauma tweet, where they frame the try guys' position as "our friend cheated on his wife and we're so oversensitive we're making it all about us" instead of "our business partner is grossly irresponsible and has made our company a hostile, dangerous work environment for employees (the woman he cheated with, and also everybody else) and coworkers (his wife, who works with us, and also everybody else), sabotaged a collaboration with a major media company, left us legally vulnerable for the consecuences of both, cost us a lot of money, and seems to think we should sweep it under the rug because 'we're friends'." Which is what is actually happening, and is actually sound cause for their reaction, and is actually stressful, frightening and traumatizing.
Plus now they've lost that friend and business partner too. Just one of those things would be traumatising to many if not most people, losing lots of money, because your job/company is now in jeopardy is stressful and potentially traumatising on its own.
Snowflake as in calling people that?? Makes sense tbh for them to be like whatever tf u mean u were traumatised by ur shit friend ruining everyone's lives for a fling, by misdirecting it as like a petty friendship thing
The fact that Ned has stated he has not one, but two friends that are SNL writers is very telling. Also as a person of color that sketch made me extremely uncomfortable as well for how they portrayed Eugene I would also like to say people trying to say what is and isn't trauma is so dangerous. like there are just so many issues with it in general, but I don't get how people can listen to how the guys mentally and physically reacted to this and say its not trauma. I would also like to point out that the only one in this situation to have confirmed this was a consensual relation is Ned himself and the SNL skit trying to up-play that was very suspicious
I agree so much! I remember seeing that sketch but not catching onto why it made me uncomfortable until a while ago. I especially agree on the trauma-- I think a lot of people (wrongfully) think that if you're popular and/or have a lot of money/fans then you cant struggle from mental illness or trauma at all. It's honestly so sad. Of course we dont know everything behind the scenes because of legal reasons and their own personal boundaries, it's clear to see it has effected them horribly. Like, even just thinking about this situation by itself you can tell itd be traumatizing to anyone who dealt with it
@@gooeater1544 theres also so many ways trauma manifests itself so its kind of nuts to just watch a youtube video and go "nahh they're playing it up." i mean of course it's youtube so embellishing for the camera is usually a default part of it but i think they were pretty up front about what they kept quiet and for how long and why, so i believe em. it's so frustrating to see so many people have no sympathy since they're in a rough spot. and holy shit i do not envy the poor guys,, their friend of almost a decade completely fucking them over and then the looming anxiety of legal action and financial liability and the potential collective fury of the internet? thats SOME type of traumatizing
I'm glad I'm not the only one put off by that portrayal of Eugene. Like, I'm a white woman, it's not me who's effected, but I did find it off-putting how they made Eugene the over-the-top angry one. He might've looked angry in the video, but he spoke very calmly and directly, he wasn't petty or hostile at all.
Oooo that is some tea about the SNL writer friends 👀 not shocking, though. Ned is very well connected. He's rich (he also came from family money), he's a Yale graduate (I forgot the major), & he's a loud white man lol. He fits the SNL writer's room legacy so perfectly.
The comment that Eugene made about women getting more backlash in these situations can point to either Ariel or Alex. Eugene is... I don't even have words. Love that man! You could feel how much he was holding in.
It could also include YB. Honestly - he could have been referring to one or multiple women involved in the situation (even if they were only tangentially related)
I thought that too. Some people are mad at Ariel for seemingly maybe staying with Ned. People hate women who stay in relationships which makes no sense. When someone’s toxic to you that’s on them
@@qwitchyy Yes I agree with you. I believe Eugene was referring to Ariel and YB. I remember when the situation happened. I saw YB’s Instagram story where she was thanking her followers for all of the support. So it seems like she was receiving a lot of hate. I am assuming it’s because people were speculating that she knew about the situation since she was a coworker with Alex. Also, like you said there are people mixing up YB and Alex because they are both Asian. I don’t understand why. Wish YB all of the best!
@@Trish0978 Yes I agree with you. I believe Eugene was referring to Ariel and YB. I remember when the situation happened. I saw YB’s Instagram story where she was thanking her followers for all of the support. So it seems like she was receiving a lot of hate. I am assuming it’s because people were speculating that she knew about the situation since she was a coworker with Alex. Also, like you said there are people mixing up YB and Alex because they are both Asian. I don’t understand why. Wish YB all of the best!
I'm so frustrated about the Without a Recipe-esque show on the Food Network (?). It's legitimately so cool that they got one of their coolest/most entertaining & wacky series turned into a full on TV show that was going to be on *primetime* and now it's probably canceled all because Ned is awful in both the moral and potentially legal/HR violation way. It's just so shitty
@@f.velasco6628 a few of the episodes were already airing at a prime timeslot when neds fuck up blew up, but the season finale of the show was moved to a time-slot that no one really tunes in on, it was moved to mid-day friday :/
I feel bad for both Eugene and Bowen Yang as the skit reduces both of them to the stereotypes they both have spent much of their careers actively fighting against.
It really bothers me that SNL made it seem like the Try Guys were exploiting the situation. Like they have been nothing but professional and they did not want it to blow up like this. Like they've made it clear that this whole thing has been really traumatizing already, and having that be international news must be so horrendous. I can't imagine implying that they wanted that.
also they never even said that it was traumatic, they just said it was "like" a traumatic experience. I have PTSD and hearing them talk about the situation made my heart ache for them because they were describing trauma and they didn't even feel like they could actually claim it. Like they were describing textbook reactions to trauma, especially Keith talking about the grocery store. I really hope they get help and don't let random ppl that don't know what they're talking about convince them that their feelings are silly or stupid. I also hope that the people with similar traumas aren't too negatively impacted by all the dismissive comments :( also the rhetoric being used is very similar to the rhetoric used to belittle victims of SA for saying that they have PTSD (like "you're overreacting, how can you compare what you went through to what veterans go through, you're minimizing their trauma" etc).
What bothers me is that that skit completely missed the problem. A boss had a romantic relationship with an employee. That is why he was fired yes it was bad that he cheated on his wife but even if he was single he still had a relationship with an employee.
Exactly, you can be one of us and still be a complete "pick me" gay. Representing a very restrained gay man as overly emotional is problematic as fuck.
I agree with this as a broader point. But let’s be careful we don’t unintentionally gatekeep what a “good gay man” should act like. From what I’ve seen of Bowen Yang, that’s just him. Let’s also remember that unless he wrote the skit, we need to factor in his place in the hierarchy as a token Asian and gay cast member, so let’s not rush to assume he has more power or authority than he does about what skits he feels comfortable refusing. The ones in the wrong are the writers of the skit (which might be some of the actors, but in this case the main writer was Ned’s friend) and Lorne for approving it. The actors are just trying not to get fired.
@@dinkerz i forgot their name but another person who co-wrote this script based form the credits released is a queer person too . meaning two of the writers of this skit are part of the lgbtqia plus said yes to this.
Honestly I not surprised SNL didnt find things like cheating and having an inappropriate work place relationship with a subordinate to be problematic, I bet their executives and cast members do that sort of stuff constantly. To them this type of abuse of power is another Tuesday, so they don't understand what's the hubub. Plus, they're very out of touch so they dont understand the very relatable personalities the try guys cultivated. No one really cares if Jay Z cheated on beyonce since no one feels like they know or can relate to JayZ or beyonce, but you cant say the same for the try guys.
There are also a ton of harassment allegations about goings on within SNL so I wouldn't be surprised if there are people excusing shit like relationships with subordinates and harassment so that adds to the shitty behavior
@@shannond1511 If so, how incredibly hypocritical of them given the endless amount of scandals SNL has been involved in both recently and throughout most of its runtime. They also have a terrible way of showing that given their response to this whole scandal
That's the only thing I got out of that sketch honestly. They think a man cheating on his wife is just a thing a man does, almost as naturally as breathing or taking a shit, and that the people being mad at Ned for *cheating on his wife* with a *subordinate,* opening up the company he runs and owns *with his friends* are somehow overreacting. Because some rich white guy cheating and ruining a handful of people's livelihoods because he couldn't keep his dick to himself is just a thing that happens all the time. :/
Plus the "nobody cared about Jay Z cheating on Beyonce" point is just??? What? Like ok???? Nobody cared when Jay Z cheated on Beyonce but that doesn't make Jay Z cheating on Beyonce ok, the fuck???
I am so glad I have been off of Twitter, because the trauma discourse seems like many of the worse parts of internet drama culture, and viewing people's actual real lives as trivial entertainment, rather than having empathy, compassion, and understanding that you are not living other people's lives, and the world isn't a competition for worst trauma™ and who gets to access empathy and compassion from others. Thanks for talking about this, Brendan. A banger as always.
SNL writers: "what, you mean y'all *don't* cheat on your partners with your subordinate co workers??" Like the fact that they made fun of the reaction and not the guy who cheated on his wife is such a tell lmao. Them emphasizing how it was "consensual" (which at this point is speculation) made it even worse like, shit sounds like it was written by Ned's lawyer. Idk what's going on in that writers room, but it feels like maybe they opened their mouth just a bit too wide on this one.
The authors credited for this sketch are Gary Richardson, Will Stephen, Bowen Yang, Celeste Yim. Will Stephen is friends with Ned since Yale, head writer Kent Sublette also...
So a close friend violating your trust and threatening your economic/financial stability, destroying the lives of several of your other close friends. Not to mention not being the person you thought they were (and refusing to take responsibility for any of it). In what world is that a "silly little nothing"?
Not to mention Ned probably got a pretty penny upon (totally speculated) his exit and guess who has to pick up the broken pieces he caused in the first place?
Who gave these internet people the right to gatekeep trauma??? Their feelings are valid. Their (& their staff) entire livelihood was at stake when they found out and had no idea what the internet’s reaction was going to be. Everything they worked for for a decade could have been gone with no fault of their own
Would love if this was the catalyst of the internet vs snl epic battle ending with snl being absolutely destroyed immediately and left in the past as atoms
When you said "queer people are artists at expressing emotional distress" I felt very validated and seen. When I watched the apology video and saw Eugene's response, I was thinking that's definitely the vibes I give when something like that happens, and that I really relate. But I never really thought about it in a positive or negative light the way you described. So thanks.
And they had a token women on there to say that cheating isn’t that bad. It’s soo bad. As if woman kind is all on board with cheating being negligible, and not horrible.
Imagine not knowing someone you thought you knew for 8 years and then losing your friendships and all of the friendships surrounding that person... and then being told it's not traumatic. That's SO traumatic! That's grief. That's a HUGE loss. Hoping the best for them. Love this video and this take on it
I think one of the reasons that they don't talk about any suspicions they may have had about Ned's behavior is so that they don't open themselves up to a defamation lawsuit. on the podcast, Keith is very careful to phrase his suspicion that Ned copied the format of their initial public statement as an opinion, and Zach expresses exasperation about having to cushion all of their speculations about Ned. if they're that concerned about implying he copied their font to legitimize his post, then I doubt they would start making potentially slanderous comments about "creepy behavior"
ngl, wouldn't be surprised if alex one day says "oh yeah ned pressured me into it" and that's a big reason why they're being so protective of her. like having your big pr statement call the affair with a subordinate a "consensual workplace relationship" is...kinda sus.
I wouldn’t be surprised to be honest if it wasn’t 100% consensual. Like it might’ve started that way but once something with a boss starts it’s hard to leave. Especially since Ned is clearly a shit show
the wildest take I've seen on this is that people being upset about this is normalizing cishet monogamy and oppressing polyamorous relationships lmao as though queer people don't have monogamous relationships, or that there's no cheating in polyamory, or that workplace misconduct is fine if you're poly??? I am BEGGING people to use their thinky parts. I say this as someone who is queer and been in many poly relationships.
Partner and I saw that SNL skit on twitter yesterday but couldn't actually watch the whole thing. It was just so bad. Ned, Eugene and Zach really reacted so well to this and to be dragged through the mud like this is just gross as hell. Ned seems to be getting away from reactions because he's not sharing any statements or reacting online. The try guys seem so genuine and so genuinely exhausted by the situation - in the podcast, they talk about how draining it was, having to do all the HR stuff, losing a friend... Yeah sure it's not whatever people think trauma is, being a vet or a victim of a crime or a natural disaster, but it's still devastating! Apparently they've been working themselves to the bone to keep damage minimal and mainly protect their smallish company, which is made of largely of friends and people who they respect so much.
You meant "Keith, Eugene, and Zach" right? Not "Ned, Eugene, and Zach"? Cause Ned is the problem here as you said in your comment. I mixed up YB's fiancee's name, Herbert, with a man name Hermann (who doesn't exist) in a comment that now has 1k likes, so it happens to everyone and you shouldn't worry or apologise about the little mix up!
I’m sure I’m being dramatic, but the skit really almost feels like Ned propaganda. Anyway, would someone who has the visible dislikes extension tell me how the skit’s ratio looks?
I love the way Zach, Eugene and Keith are responding to this. The way they handled this is a breath of fresh air given how stuff like this otherwise tends to play out. I think it's so much more healthy, mature and productive than having this big escalation and/or spiralling and/or milking the drama for as long as you can. And as much as the way it came about sucks... I think I'm very much ready to see how they and their channel now evolves. Their ideas about how to move forward certainly sound good to me 🙂 Having watched their recent Part 1 of The Try Guys Try Broadway with Kwesi I think it was definitely a good start 🙂
re: the trauma thing, it's also important to understand that the threshold for an event causing trauma is different for each person, just because you might not be traumatised by this situation (which you cannot accurately judge in the first place because you only know very superficial details), does not mean that it can't be traumatising for other people
I agree and what makes it even more suspicious is if you watched or listen to one of their podcast episode where he mentions that he has a friend or two that are writers on SNL. I mean I couldn’t watch the whole clip I only got a few minutes and then had to turn it off because they missed the point that it was because Ned was the boss and Alex was his subordinate that’s why the relationship was inappropriate and why he got fired
@@Tree-House69 pulling your last industry strings to get *that* made is honestly almost more disrespectful than the affair So deeply, utterly pathetic Ivies just taking any wheat thins they can find huh
Thank you for talking about the whole "trauma" thing because it was something that was bothering me. I've never really understood what gate keeping language like that does besides make people hesitant to open up about their feelings and experiences. As someone who has experienced different levels and types of trauma, hearing people say "that's not what trauma is" caused me to second guess the traumas I have experienced and think "well this wasn't that bad." Telling someone their trauma isn't traumatic enough is like telling someone with depression to just get over it and smile. Eff that.
i feel so bad for ariel, alex's fiancee, and honestly even alex. imagine the event that tore your family dynamic apart being mocked and downplayed on saturday night live for everyone to misinterpret... especially for alex's fiancee who is not a public figure and doesn't have an internet presence and never ever signed up to be scrutinized and talked about like this. i truly can't imagine such an awful moment in my life being this publically ripped into
looking for it in the comments, but the snl skit specifically uses the phrase "one kiss" to emphasize the try guys so called overreaction, when Keith and Zach say something on the pod about Ned confessing the affair had been going on for months. So it got minimized from an almost year long affair to one kiss. Mad😐
If my friend's actions led to me losing a TV show I'd need to be sedated I'd be so upset, I can see why outsiders feel like "trauma" is over the top, but if you actually try to put yourself in their shoes, it's an extremely stressful situation. And I'm not even like, into the try guys.
Eugene's angry face: Ned you lil' ****! You ruined everything! Bowen's angry face: I can't believe I let these guys talk me into doing this stupid sketch.
Your video is just, chef’s kiss. The accuracy and perception of the situation…yes. I’ve been throwing shade at SNL on Twitter, because I use my time wisely, and for the most part so is everybody else. There seems to be a small group of people that are defending SNL in some capacity, which is odd. Someone said the point of the skit was that the news shouldn’t focus on trivial topics when there are more important issues out there. Okay. At what point in the sketch was the news outlet the butt of the joke and not the three men? The whole sketch seemed very shady for a number of reasons. And although yes, it takes more than one person to agree on a skit, Ned’s friend could have omitted facts and exaggerated the truth to push it through. As it’s very clear either no one did any research or they did and are advocating for misconduct in the workplace. The whole thing irritates the shit out of me because Eugine, Zach and Keith handled everything right. And the people bitching about it are claiming the situation is being overly dramatized when it’s the people making fun of the Try Guys that are turning it into a spectacle and making a bigger deal out of it.
Trauma describes SUCH a wide range of experiences, I agree! It's NOT just PTSD. There's also developmental trauma, for example, which describes the type of subtle family/childhood traumas most of us have. Where this doesn't usually send us into panic attacks due to triggers, it still deeply impacts the way we function and move through the world. And there are so many other shades and forms trauma can take. IMHO, implying that the only trauma worth validating is basically PTSD seriously diminishes the profound impact that a lot of other traumas can have on the psyche. Also - (TRIGGER WARNING) * This just reminds me of the way SA is often only validated if it's under extremely specific circumstances. Just because you don't understand it because you didn't live it doesn't mean the impact wasn't significant for them. Signed, a counselor in training.
I feel that Ned has this frat boy culture because he went to Yale and he can get away from it. That is how the SLN writers get away and approve this because Ned has friends from Yale. If you listen to Will Neff's video, Ariel knows Will because his cousin when to Yale with Ned. Yet Ned didn't recongized him and blamed it on that Will's apperanced changed and Ned is busy all the time. Ned speech with Will Neff made him feel small. However it is sad when your wife remembers someone and is a sweetheart. It is telling that Ned doesn't give a shit.
like if their logic was really "they're overreacting lmaooo" and decide to practically defend a cheater and an abuser of power in the workplace if I were their partners/coworkers I would really keep an eye on them cause 💀
Idk how anyone is just simplifying this down to “they’re traumatized because he cheated on his wife”. Like, he betrayed their trust by dating an employee and put their entire company in jeopardy.
You are not alone in the not being able to finish it. Hopefully this makes them blow up and are able to recoup the money lost because of Ned’s actions.
As much as I would love to hear all of Eugene’s thoughts uncensored it has been mentioned they can’t say too much since it can turn into defamation. It’s clear Ned has nothing left to lose so suing his ex best friends wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility.
On the topic of Alex, I can also totally get why they're trying to protect her in this situation- cheating is bad obviously and you should be held accountable, but imagine instead of it being only the people directly impacted (person you cheated on, person the one you cheated with cheated on, your cowokers, friends, family etc) who do it, it's COMPLETE strangers on the internet insulting you, screaming at you, even going as far as sending death threats (bcs there's no way she didn't get those). Like I've seen people belittling her for not making a public statement too as if there's anything she could say that would help. Just... WAY too much entitlement to being involved in strangers' affairs and lives.
I agree with so much of what you say in this video. I hope the way they've handled this sets a new precedent for internet scandal apologizes. Also, thank you for offering your comment section as a place to rant. I have a small misplaced anger at Alex because of my Dad cheating on my Mom with someone who was well informed that he was in a 20 year marriage. That said, I hope Alex isn't receiving anymore vitriol from the internet. As a fan, I don't feel betrayed by her because her whole persona wasn't about being a loving girlfriend. People who date people in monogamous relationships really bother me. It's super unethical to me, so I've lost respect for her, but she doesn't deserve the level of antipathy that she's receiving.
He didn’t just cheat on his wife, their friend committed a dubious act with a position of power and it was a big scandal and still is which leads to a lot of trauma! So that person minimalising it to “ooh their friend cheated on their wife” is so wrong!
I find it kind of funny that I’d never have watched them before (not generally the kind of videos I watch on youtube) but their channel seems genuinely fun and I plan on continuing to watch them now.
I do know if you've heard this, or if you're going to address this in this video, since I'm only like 10 minutes in or something, but apparently one of the writers on SNL is friends with ned. So that explains that whole fucked up thing
I think people (namely SNL) aren't taking into account that... the rest of the try guys are friends with Ariel? IIRC Eugene and Ariel were friends BEFORE she married Ned. Yes, all the bullshit Ned's selfish actions had hoisted upon them are reasons they're emotional or angry, but they were friends with Ariel too. It makes sense Eugene seemed especially angry and upset because imagine seeing your good friend get cheated on by someone you both trusted and having no choice but to stay with him because of the kids? I'd be FURIOUS.
HOLD UP HOLD UP: Not for nothing but if aaaaaaaaanybody gets to beat up Ned, it's Becky. Keith got a bunch of bruises because of Full Throttle Fulmer and she swore vengence for her delicate-skinned husband.
The problem is we don't know one way or another if Alex was hurt by anything other than the fallout from the affair. People can say that a power dynamic may have played a role in her decision, but we don't know anything about how she felt about all of it. I don't think we should assume anything if she is unwilling to discuss it until there is some other proof.
I feel like the whole SNL skit was completely biased on Ned's behalf considering he knows the writers considering their friendship and it's disgusting and inappropriate because they disregard the real reason behind Ned's firing and describe it as gossip which is way more than that because this was between a boss and coworker who had an affair. The other guys had to do something to save themselves and their reputation because they had no other choice as it was getting public and messy. Will, Ariel and the kids are the only victims in this and deserve privacy.
I would always rather have people having the words to describe what they're going thru and risk bad faith people misusing those words than the other way around, bc the other way around risks invalidating and further hurting people that are already suffering
All I’m saying is that if Pete Davidson was still working there, that skit would’ve never happened. He had the power to hold back skits about Kanye and Kim, and I think that even if this skit was written, someone should’ve axed it. SNL isn’t funny without Pete.
It's made me look at the whole group differently. After Ned's cheating came out a lot of women who used to work at buzzfeed said that they say it coming or that Ned has always been like that. If women that knew him years ago knew Ned was a scumbag, how did the men he worked with the most not know?
I think the reporters in the snl sketch did capture how some people are completely clueless to the situation, but beyond that the sketch gave me the ick.
especially because we don’t have a lot of the details i would assume this would have been a traumatic event. maybe not the most traumatic thing but still you really can’t compare your trauma to a point.
One of the most bizarrely hilarious things I always find in this type of “joke” is that, we didn’t make the article. The Try Guys specifically didn’t respond to anyone for comment. But the Gen X/Boomer news cycles picked it up to desperately try and gain new viewers, as Millenials and Gen Z just don’t pay for news articles sorry, and everyone blames us! We did not want or encourage this! Y’all did it to yourselves and then throw “old man yells at cloud” tantrums
But Eugene wasn’t like that in the original video, so it comes off as mocking Eugene using gay stereotypes, it’s sad especially coming from another gay man
@@brennenbeckwith As someone who watches SNL on and off, I can definitely say that Bowen Yang pretty much always acts like this. He’s hilarious, but he is pretty one-note in his acting. I don’t think it was intentional on his part.
tbh brennen, my gay ass is always here for eugine's pure energy, full contempt in that video, and just in general he's great xD. I'm here for eugene just taking the camera and popping off, i'd pay so hard for it
I too, would pay money to see Eugene speak his mind with no consequences. But I also wouldn’t mind paying to watch a boxing match between Eugene and Ned too. I give props to anyone who watched the SNL sketch, I couldn’t get through it without getting so angry.
Your videos covering this are really good. I got really upset by the SNL skit, I feel like SNL was making it seem like The Try Guys were overreacting to this serious situation.
So, I would like to say that this is my first experience with you and I appreciate the honesty, forethought, and respect in your comments. I have not seen the SNL skit and agree with you at this point... BUT please look into Bowen Yang before assuming he's just the homophobic Asian cast member who they shoved into the sketch.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 I also highly recommend the movie "Fire Island."
You have such interesting takes and I'm so glad you upload content. An interesting take on this (even a week+ later) is that Ned might have been jealous about how his friends are doing their own projects, but he has pigeonholed himself as "the married one" and he was intrinsically linked to his wife so it limits his options. He might have realized that, as a "family brand" it wasn't as flexible as the others were and so his options were less broad. It might have felt constricting and he got into a "burn it all down" mentality. Who knows. I'm probably projecting.
No no, you've got a point there. Why else kiss in public around people who WILL figure out who you are? Granted Ned was making a lot of money off book deals and other things, but... What if he didn't want that? He had made a lot of money. The thing is... Ariel might be able to take him down. She can take him down some pegs. But this is a good point. I was thinking about this. I noticed some others pointed this out. This is possible.
@@jamie1602 Yeah. It was mentioned that he was the wealthiest of the Guys, but it may not have been about money. There is a social cache that revolves around the "coolness" of your artistic projects. In my experience. His friends were writing a screenplay, trying to get an off Broadway run, and Eugene doing his thing (I don't keep up with the guys so I'm not sure what he does on the side). Ned almost has to do a project with Ariel to have it make sense with his brand, and she may not want to do add any other projects to her busy life. I dunno. All I do know is that this whole situation is sad, and I truly feel bad for all parties harmed.
The thing that bugs me about people downplaying that this situation was traumatic for the people involved is that like... a lot of people who are dealing with traumatic experiences don't feel that the event was enough to really count even if it really hurt them. So not only is it just a shitty thing to say about the try guys and everyone involved in this situation, it also hurts other people who may read it and will think "oh I guess my trauma isn't really trauma either and I'm just weak". So the fact that people are trying to "defend" traumatized people in a way that just hurts traumatized people makes it even worse. It's messed up to say that someone's traumatic event wasn't bad enough
Unrelated but Brennen, I love your content. You are truly amazing and you always cover these topics in a level-headed, yet no-bullshit attitude and I like that. Keep up the great work! And fuck Ned Fulmer. PS, Eugene is also a Capricorn so I think that explains some of the iconic attitude
Ariel is being judged as well here. She referred to the company as family. She’s very close to the other wives and they used to make content together. Can you imagine seeing your world implode. And regarding staying with him, you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Should she continue her job with the try company? Again, see damned/do/don’t. Plus: babies.
We ask men to hold other men accountable for their actions and treatment of others, especially women, and to process their emotions in a healthy way, and when a group of guys actually does, in a mature, reasonable, and compassionate way, we make fun of them? Wth SNL.
I think its funny to describe what Alex did as a mistake. This relationship has been going on for a year. She betrayed her fiance who she was with for 10 years... Seems like a choice to me.
I just cannot imagine having it totally made and then blowing that, on either end. Ned was married to a beautiful woman and Alex (presumably) engaged to a handsome man and yet Alex sacrificed her engagement and her employment, but even more significantly Ned sacrificed his marriage and role as a main "Try Guy" just to hook up with another person? I can guarantee if someone went to Ned and said "so you can keep your marriage going (even if you have stuff you need to work on) and keep making amazing money for fairly minimal work, or you can give up your marriage and all that money to have a fling with that hot producer" he'd absolutely go with the marriage (that might need help) and amazing money As someone who has been through addiction where you make illogical decisions I kinda get it, but not really since I assume if Ned went "can we work on things?" she'd agree. Meanwhile for me opiates never agreed to find a compromise
I'd LOVE to see John the lie detector guy give Ned a lie detector test now after all this shit is out in the open. With the other Try Guys and Ariel asking the questions, of course.
I wasn't aware that Eugene was queen in any way so the snl sketch was extra confusing to me. I thought they injected gay stereotypes into "gene" simply because snl tends to use gay characteristics/stereotypes as a form of comedy all the time and since the beginning. Look at their sketch "ambiguously gay duo," for instance. Ps. My autocorrect put queen instead of queer.
Idk man. Losing a friend and co worker that you built a company with for 8 years and being forced to clean their mess by spending weeks with legal stuff, losing tons of money, having their brand diminished, fearing that their friends/coworkers and even people who just appear on their videos sometimes will be harassed and even lose opportunities because of it, having projects put on hold, maybe for longer now, to do this, AND having the entire thing on blast for everyone to consume like it’s silly gossip to laugh at and mock them for. Is kinda traumatic
Totally agree. I think anyone in that situation would feel a little traumatized by that, including the people at SNL.
Why would this stuff be feared, it is on the level. Of funny gossip after all. Im sure they get harassed just by virtue of being public figures, but their arent that many people out there who would react to a cheating story by stalking them or something, most people are going to make jokes because it isnt that bad
@@radiationshepherd They are being harassed, whether you think that's likely or not. Even if a low percentage of people would do that, that's still a fraction of millions of people. There are hundreds of those millions who would and did take it too far and not "just" make jokes.
Yeah, just one of those things would be traumatic for many, or even most, people. Like, your company and job in jeopardy is super stressful and can be traumatic, and that's just one thing on quite a long list.
@@radiationshepherd Being harassed because you're a public figure is also stressful, and something that should be normalised. Like, attention because you're a public figure is expected, harassment is not.
Wife Guy cheats on his wife, room full of comedians can't come up with a single joke at his expense. Now that's laughable!
Imagine being so morally bankrupt that you make fun of the people who got hurt because that person cheated. And expecting people to laugh.
Right??? Omg they quite literally had the most low hanging fruit ever 😂 Somethings clearly going on in that writer's room 😳 👀
A few of them are friends with Ned, so it’s generally speculated that this was a hit job on his behalf.
That’s what’s so frustrating! The joke is RIGHT THERE lmao
We know why! They are all scared for being the next Ned. I can only imagine the "work relationships" that goes on at SNL now🙄
there's some 'snowflake' logic in both the SNL sketch and the gatekeeping trauma tweet, where they frame the try guys' position as "our friend cheated on his wife and we're so oversensitive we're making it all about us" instead of "our business partner is grossly irresponsible and has made our company a hostile, dangerous work environment for employees (the woman he cheated with, and also everybody else) and coworkers (his wife, who works with us, and also everybody else), sabotaged a collaboration with a major media company, left us legally vulnerable for the consecuences of both, cost us a lot of money, and seems to think we should sweep it under the rug because 'we're friends'." Which is what is actually happening, and is actually sound cause for their reaction, and is actually stressful, frightening and traumatizing.
Plus now they've lost that friend and business partner too. Just one of those things would be traumatising to many if not most people, losing lots of money, because your job/company is now in jeopardy is stressful and potentially traumatising on its own.
This comment really puts things in a clear perspective for anyone who doesn't quite understand what's going on here. 👏👏👏
Snowflake as in calling people that?? Makes sense tbh for them to be like whatever tf u mean u were traumatised by ur shit friend ruining everyone's lives for a fling, by misdirecting it as like a petty friendship thing
@@AnnekeOosterink you need to go touch some grass or maybe go smoke some. You're way over-invested in the Try Guys and their "trauma".
@@MJ-cc4uf Looks like we got ourselves a butt hurt roll yall lol
The fact that Ned has stated he has not one, but two friends that are SNL writers is very telling. Also as a person of color that sketch made me extremely uncomfortable as well for how they portrayed Eugene
I would also like to say people trying to say what is and isn't trauma is so dangerous. like there are just so many issues with it in general, but I don't get how people can listen to how the guys mentally and physically reacted to this and say its not trauma.
I would also like to point out that the only one in this situation to have confirmed this was a consensual relation is Ned himself and the SNL skit trying to up-play that was very suspicious
I agree so much! I remember seeing that sketch but not catching onto why it made me uncomfortable until a while ago. I especially agree on the trauma-- I think a lot of people (wrongfully) think that if you're popular and/or have a lot of money/fans then you cant struggle from mental illness or trauma at all. It's honestly so sad. Of course we dont know everything behind the scenes because of legal reasons and their own personal boundaries, it's clear to see it has effected them horribly. Like, even just thinking about this situation by itself you can tell itd be traumatizing to anyone who dealt with it
@@gooeater1544 theres also so many ways trauma manifests itself so its kind of nuts to just watch a youtube video and go "nahh they're playing it up." i mean of course it's youtube so embellishing for the camera is usually a default part of it but i think they were pretty up front about what they kept quiet and for how long and why, so i believe em. it's so frustrating to see so many people have no sympathy since they're in a rough spot. and holy shit i do not envy the poor guys,, their friend of almost a decade completely fucking them over and then the looming anxiety of legal action and financial liability and the potential collective fury of the internet? thats SOME type of traumatizing
I'm glad I'm not the only one put off by that portrayal of Eugene. Like, I'm a white woman, it's not me who's effected, but I did find it off-putting how they made Eugene the over-the-top angry one. He might've looked angry in the video, but he spoke very calmly and directly, he wasn't petty or hostile at all.
Also ned in other videos said it would be illegal but he backtracked when it was him lol 😆
Oooo that is some tea about the SNL writer friends 👀 not shocking, though. Ned is very well connected. He's rich (he also came from family money), he's a Yale graduate (I forgot the major), & he's a loud white man lol. He fits the SNL writer's room legacy so perfectly.
The comment that Eugene made about women getting more backlash in these situations can point to either Ariel or Alex.
Eugene is... I don't even have words. Love that man! You could feel how much he was holding in.
Hell it ended up applying to YB when randoms got her mixed up with Alex.
It could also include YB. Honestly - he could have been referring to one or multiple women involved in the situation (even if they were only tangentially related)
I thought that too. Some people are mad at Ariel for seemingly maybe staying with Ned. People hate women who stay in relationships which makes no sense. When someone’s toxic to you that’s on them
@@qwitchyy Yes I agree with you. I believe Eugene was referring to Ariel and YB. I remember when the situation happened. I saw YB’s Instagram story where she was thanking her followers for all of the support. So it seems like she was receiving a lot of hate. I am assuming it’s because people were speculating that she knew about the situation since she was a coworker with Alex. Also, like you said there are people mixing up YB and Alex because they are both Asian. I don’t understand why. Wish YB all of the best!
@@Trish0978 Yes I agree with you. I believe Eugene was referring to Ariel and YB. I remember when the situation happened. I saw YB’s Instagram story where she was thanking her followers for all of the support. So it seems like she was receiving a lot of hate. I am assuming it’s because people were speculating that she knew about the situation since she was a coworker with Alex. Also, like you said there are people mixing up YB and Alex because they are both Asian. I don’t understand why. Wish YB all of the best!
all i have to say is that eugene is really giving revenge dress vibes
Yes, I can see it. And he looks AMAZING 🔥🔥🔥
I'm so frustrated about the Without a Recipe-esque show on the Food Network (?). It's legitimately so cool that they got one of their coolest/most entertaining & wacky series turned into a full on TV show that was going to be on *primetime* and now it's probably canceled all because Ned is awful in both the moral and potentially legal/HR violation way. It's just so shitty
so it didn't actually air? or several episodes were canceled? sorry, I'm not from the US
@@f.velasco6628 they moved it's time slot to a death slot essentially.
So the episodes are still airing, just not at primetime.
@@f.velasco6628 a few of the episodes were already airing at a prime timeslot when neds fuck up blew up, but the season finale of the show was moved to a time-slot that no one really tunes in on, it was moved to mid-day friday :/
Where are they being aired? I'm not from the US nor from the UK, so I don't really know where to see the show
I feel bad for both Eugene and Bowen Yang as the skit reduces both of them to the stereotypes they both have spent much of their careers actively fighting against.
It really bothers me that SNL made it seem like the Try Guys were exploiting the situation. Like they have been nothing but professional and they did not want it to blow up like this. Like they've made it clear that this whole thing has been really traumatizing already, and having that be international news must be so horrendous. I can't imagine implying that they wanted that.
i also couldn't finish it :(
also they never even said that it was traumatic, they just said it was "like" a traumatic experience. I have PTSD and hearing them talk about the situation made my heart ache for them because they were describing trauma and they didn't even feel like they could actually claim it. Like they were describing textbook reactions to trauma, especially Keith talking about the grocery store. I really hope they get help and don't let random ppl that don't know what they're talking about convince them that their feelings are silly or stupid. I also hope that the people with similar traumas aren't too negatively impacted by all the dismissive comments :( also the rhetoric being used is very similar to the rhetoric used to belittle victims of SA for saying that they have PTSD (like "you're overreacting, how can you compare what you went through to what veterans go through, you're minimizing their trauma" etc).
What bothers me is that that skit completely missed the problem. A boss had a romantic relationship with an employee. That is why he was fired yes it was bad that he cheated on his wife but even if he was single he still had a relationship with an employee.
the dude playing Eugene in the SNL sketch is a gay man, but i think that makes it worse, you can be gay and still participate in homophobia
exactly .
Exactly, you can be one of us and still be a complete "pick me" gay. Representing a very restrained gay man as overly emotional is problematic as fuck.
I agree with this as a broader point. But let’s be careful we don’t unintentionally gatekeep what a “good gay man” should act like. From what I’ve seen of Bowen Yang, that’s just him.
Let’s also remember that unless he wrote the skit, we need to factor in his place in the hierarchy as a token Asian and gay cast member, so let’s not rush to assume he has more power or authority than he does about what skits he feels comfortable refusing.
The ones in the wrong are the writers of the skit (which might be some of the actors, but in this case the main writer was Ned’s friend) and Lorne for approving it. The actors are just trying not to get fired.
@@dinkerz i forgot their name but another person who co-wrote this script based form the credits released is a queer person too . meaning two of the writers of this skit are part of the lgbtqia plus said yes to this.
@@dinkerz he helped write it
Ned has stated before in one of the podcasts that he has friends in the SNL writers room. I for one, 100% believe he was involved in the making of it.
Ned is friends with head writer Kent Sublette, and with Will Stephen, one of the authors of the sketch.
The nerve of snl to even think of putting this sketch out
For real, several people approved that script?
I really wanna see it out of curiosity, but I don't wanna give them the views so I won't.
Ned mentioned in a past podcast that he has a friend from Yale that is a writer for SNL....
Honestly I not surprised SNL didnt find things like cheating and having an inappropriate work place relationship with a subordinate to be problematic, I bet their executives and cast members do that sort of stuff constantly. To them this type of abuse of power is another Tuesday, so they don't understand what's the hubub. Plus, they're very out of touch so they dont understand the very relatable personalities the try guys cultivated. No one really cares if Jay Z cheated on beyonce since no one feels like they know or can relate to JayZ or beyonce, but you cant say the same for the try guys.
Snl seemed to think the opposite actually. They thought being in an inappropriate work place IS problematic.
There are also a ton of harassment allegations about goings on within SNL so I wouldn't be surprised if there are people excusing shit like relationships with subordinates and harassment so that adds to the shitty behavior
@@shannond1511 If so, how incredibly hypocritical of them given the endless amount of scandals SNL has been involved in both recently and throughout most of its runtime. They also have a terrible way of showing that given their response to this whole scandal
That's the only thing I got out of that sketch honestly. They think a man cheating on his wife is just a thing a man does, almost as naturally as breathing or taking a shit, and that the people being mad at Ned for *cheating on his wife* with a *subordinate,* opening up the company he runs and owns *with his friends* are somehow overreacting. Because some rich white guy cheating and ruining a handful of people's livelihoods because he couldn't keep his dick to himself is just a thing that happens all the time. :/
Plus the "nobody cared about Jay Z cheating on Beyonce" point is just??? What? Like ok????
Nobody cared when Jay Z cheated on Beyonce but that doesn't make Jay Z cheating on Beyonce ok, the fuck???
I am so glad I have been off of Twitter, because the trauma discourse seems like many of the worse parts of internet drama culture, and viewing people's actual real lives as trivial entertainment, rather than having empathy, compassion, and understanding that you are not living other people's lives, and the world isn't a competition for worst trauma™ and who gets to access empathy and compassion from others. Thanks for talking about this, Brendan. A banger as always.
SNL writers: "what, you mean y'all *don't* cheat on your partners with your subordinate co workers??"
Like the fact that they made fun of the reaction and not the guy who cheated on his wife is such a tell lmao. Them emphasizing how it was "consensual" (which at this point is speculation) made it even worse like, shit sounds like it was written by Ned's lawyer. Idk what's going on in that writers room, but it feels like maybe they opened their mouth just a bit too wide on this one.
The authors credited for this sketch are Gary Richardson, Will Stephen, Bowen Yang, Celeste Yim.
Will Stephen is friends with Ned since Yale, head writer Kent Sublette also...
They had the perfect joke right in front of them -- a "Wife Guy" support group. Ned, John Mulaney, Adam Levine, etc could've been parodied.
you're a frickin genius and I'm upset that you're not in the writer's room now omfg 😭💕
So a close friend violating your trust and threatening your economic/financial stability, destroying the lives of several of your other close friends. Not to mention not being the person you thought they were (and refusing to take responsibility for any of it). In what world is that a "silly little nothing"?
Not to mention Ned probably got a pretty penny upon (totally speculated) his exit and guess who has to pick up the broken pieces he caused in the first place?
Who gave these internet people the right to gatekeep trauma??? Their feelings are valid. Their (& their staff) entire livelihood was at stake when they found out and had no idea what the internet’s reaction was going to be. Everything they worked for for a decade could have been gone with no fault of their own
Would love if this was the catalyst of the internet vs snl epic battle ending with snl being absolutely destroyed immediately and left in the past as atoms
YES CAN WE FINALLY STOP PRETENDING SNL IS FUNNY
@@Free.zen. they were funnier several decades ago.
When you said "queer people are artists at expressing emotional distress" I felt very validated and seen. When I watched the apology video and saw Eugene's response, I was thinking that's definitely the vibes I give when something like that happens, and that I really relate. But I never really thought about it in a positive or negative light the way you described. So thanks.
And they had a token women on there to say that cheating isn’t that bad. It’s soo bad. As if woman kind is all on board with cheating being negligible, and not horrible.
Imagine not knowing someone you thought you knew for 8 years and then losing your friendships and all of the friendships surrounding that person... and then being told it's not traumatic. That's SO traumatic! That's grief. That's a HUGE loss. Hoping the best for them. Love this video and this take on it
I think one of the reasons that they don't talk about any suspicions they may have had about Ned's behavior is so that they don't open themselves up to a defamation lawsuit. on the podcast, Keith is very careful to phrase his suspicion that Ned copied the format of their initial public statement as an opinion, and Zach expresses exasperation about having to cushion all of their speculations about Ned.
if they're that concerned about implying he copied their font to legitimize his post, then I doubt they would start making potentially slanderous comments about "creepy behavior"
ngl, wouldn't be surprised if alex one day says "oh yeah ned pressured me into it" and that's a big reason why they're being so protective of her. like having your big pr statement call the affair with a subordinate a "consensual workplace relationship" is...kinda sus.
I wouldn’t be surprised to be honest if it wasn’t 100% consensual. Like it might’ve started that way but once something with a boss starts it’s hard to leave. Especially since Ned is clearly a shit show
the wildest take I've seen on this is that people being upset about this is normalizing cishet monogamy and oppressing polyamorous relationships lmao
as though queer people don't have monogamous relationships, or that there's no cheating in polyamory, or that workplace misconduct is fine if you're poly??? I am BEGGING people to use their thinky parts. I say this as someone who is queer and been in many poly relationships.
Partner and I saw that SNL skit on twitter yesterday but couldn't actually watch the whole thing. It was just so bad. Ned, Eugene and Zach really reacted so well to this and to be dragged through the mud like this is just gross as hell. Ned seems to be getting away from reactions because he's not sharing any statements or reacting online. The try guys seem so genuine and so genuinely exhausted by the situation - in the podcast, they talk about how draining it was, having to do all the HR stuff, losing a friend... Yeah sure it's not whatever people think trauma is, being a vet or a victim of a crime or a natural disaster, but it's still devastating! Apparently they've been working themselves to the bone to keep damage minimal and mainly protect their smallish company, which is made of largely of friends and people who they respect so much.
You meant "Keith, Eugene, and Zach" right?
Not "Ned, Eugene, and Zach"? Cause Ned is the problem here as you said in your comment.
I mixed up YB's fiancee's name, Herbert, with a man name Hermann (who doesn't exist) in a comment that now has 1k likes, so it happens to everyone and you shouldn't worry or apologise about the little mix up!
@@kraziiXIII yeah,Mixed up the names, oops. Been following the guys forever so now it's really embarrassing to mix up the names lol
brennen: eloquent thoughts on a complex topic
my brain: hehe tiny platypus plush :)
Hehe
My cat left it there 😭
A tiny platyplush if you will :)
I’m sure I’m being dramatic, but the skit really almost feels like Ned propaganda.
Anyway, would someone who has the visible dislikes extension tell me how the skit’s ratio looks?
Clicked just to check (while adding my own dislike): 22k likes to 90k dislikes. Not as big a ratio as I would hope for but not a bad ratio either.
@@PhantomFandoms thank you! I found out my partner has the extension right after I commented lol but I appreciate you
I love the way Zach, Eugene and Keith are responding to this. The way they handled this is a breath of fresh air given how stuff like this otherwise tends to play out. I think it's so much more healthy, mature and productive than having this big escalation and/or spiralling and/or milking the drama for as long as you can.
And as much as the way it came about sucks... I think I'm very much ready to see how they and their channel now evolves. Their ideas about how to move forward certainly sound good to me 🙂 Having watched their recent Part 1 of The Try Guys Try Broadway with Kwesi I think it was definitely a good start 🙂
re: the trauma thing, it's also important to understand that the threshold for an event causing trauma is different for each person, just because you might not be traumatised by this situation (which you cannot accurately judge in the first place because you only know very superficial details), does not mean that it can't be traumatising for other people
The SNL was sooooo bad. Definitely defending Ned. So disgusting
I agree and what makes it even more suspicious is if you watched or listen to one of their podcast episode where he mentions that he has a friend or two that are writers on SNL. I mean I couldn’t watch the whole clip I only got a few minutes and then had to turn it off because they missed the point that it was because Ned was the boss and Alex was his subordinate that’s why the relationship was inappropriate and why he got fired
@@mesquitegirl2013 EXACTLY!!!!!! Brings it full circle and makes complete sense!
Right away, super ethical apology & correction, glad I subbed
When you see me in horny jail don’t make eye contact 💀
Whoever wrote that SNL sketch, I promise, is cheating on their partner.
@@Lucifersfursona actually regardless of that, a major writer at SNL is a bestie of Ned, graduated with him from Yale
@@Tree-House69 he actually has two friends that work as snl writers
@@Tree-House69 pulling your last industry strings to get *that* made is honestly almost more disrespectful than the affair
So deeply, utterly pathetic
Ivies just taking any wheat thins they can find huh
Lowkey invested in Zach turning into Kermit
Thank you for talking about the whole "trauma" thing because it was something that was bothering me. I've never really understood what gate keeping language like that does besides make people hesitant to open up about their feelings and experiences. As someone who has experienced different levels and types of trauma, hearing people say "that's not what trauma is" caused me to second guess the traumas I have experienced and think "well this wasn't that bad." Telling someone their trauma isn't traumatic enough is like telling someone with depression to just get over it and smile. Eff that.
i feel so bad for ariel, alex's fiancee, and honestly even alex. imagine the event that tore your family dynamic apart being mocked and downplayed on saturday night live for everyone to misinterpret... especially for alex's fiancee who is not a public figure and doesn't have an internet presence and never ever signed up to be scrutinized and talked about like this. i truly can't imagine such an awful moment in my life being this publically ripped into
I would pay Big Kid Adult money to watch Eugene and Becky speak freely for 20 minutes about this while sharing a bottle of wine.
looking for it in the comments, but the snl skit specifically uses the phrase "one kiss" to emphasize the try guys so called overreaction, when Keith and Zach say something on the pod about Ned confessing the affair had been going on for months. So it got minimized from an almost year long affair to one kiss. Mad😐
nvm got further into the vid lol
If my friend's actions led to me losing a TV show I'd need to be sedated I'd be so upset, I can see why outsiders feel like "trauma" is over the top, but if you actually try to put yourself in their shoes, it's an extremely stressful situation. And I'm not even like, into the try guys.
the “except SNL” really had me rolling. I would love a ned taking accountability vid.
Eugene's angry face: Ned you lil' ****! You ruined everything!
Bowen's angry face: I can't believe I let these guys talk me into doing this stupid sketch.
Your video is just, chef’s kiss. The accuracy and perception of the situation…yes.
I’ve been throwing shade at SNL on Twitter, because I use my time wisely, and for the most part so is everybody else. There seems to be a small group of people that are defending SNL in some capacity, which is odd.
Someone said the point of the skit was that the news shouldn’t focus on trivial topics when there are more important issues out there. Okay. At what point in the sketch was the news outlet the butt of the joke and not the three men?
The whole sketch seemed very shady for a number of reasons. And although yes, it takes more than one person to agree on a skit, Ned’s friend could have omitted facts and exaggerated the truth to push it through. As it’s very clear either no one did any research or they did and are advocating for misconduct in the workplace.
The whole thing irritates the shit out of me because Eugine, Zach and Keith handled everything right. And the people bitching about it are claiming the situation is being overly dramatized when it’s the people making fun of the Try Guys that are turning it into a spectacle and making a bigger deal out of it.
If i was SNL's HR, id be worried
Trauma describes SUCH a wide range of experiences, I agree! It's NOT just PTSD. There's also developmental trauma, for example, which describes the type of subtle family/childhood traumas most of us have. Where this doesn't usually send us into panic attacks due to triggers, it still deeply impacts the way we function and move through the world. And there are so many other shades and forms trauma can take. IMHO, implying that the only trauma worth validating is basically PTSD seriously diminishes the profound impact that a lot of other traumas can have on the psyche. Also - (TRIGGER WARNING)
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This just reminds me of the way SA is often only validated if it's under extremely specific circumstances. Just because you don't understand it because you didn't live it doesn't mean the impact wasn't significant for them.
Signed, a counselor in training.
I feel that Ned has this frat boy culture because he went to Yale and he can get away from it. That is how the SLN writers get away and approve this because Ned has friends from Yale.
If you listen to Will Neff's video, Ariel knows Will because his cousin when to Yale with Ned. Yet Ned didn't recongized him and blamed it on that Will's apperanced changed and Ned is busy all the time. Ned speech with Will Neff made him feel small. However it is sad when your wife remembers someone and is a sweetheart. It is telling that Ned doesn't give a shit.
Makes sense tbh
like if their logic was really "they're overreacting lmaooo" and decide to practically defend a cheater and an abuser of power in the workplace if I were their partners/coworkers I would really keep an eye on them cause 💀
Idk how anyone is just simplifying this down to “they’re traumatized because he cheated on his wife”. Like, he betrayed their trust by dating an employee and put their entire company in jeopardy.
In a way having 3 makes more sense
Try tri guys
You are not alone in the not being able to finish it. Hopefully this makes them blow up and are able to recoup the money lost because of Ned’s actions.
As much as I would love to hear all of Eugene’s thoughts uncensored it has been mentioned they can’t say too much since it can turn into defamation. It’s clear Ned has nothing left to lose so suing his ex best friends wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility.
How else are they gonna get anyone to talk about snl anymore, bad publicity, still publicity
On the topic of Alex, I can also totally get why they're trying to protect her in this situation- cheating is bad obviously and you should be held accountable, but imagine instead of it being only the people directly impacted (person you cheated on, person the one you cheated with cheated on, your cowokers, friends, family etc) who do it, it's COMPLETE strangers on the internet insulting you, screaming at you, even going as far as sending death threats (bcs there's no way she didn't get those). Like I've seen people belittling her for not making a public statement too as if there's anything she could say that would help. Just... WAY too much entitlement to being involved in strangers' affairs and lives.
If my parents who don't know jack about the try guys thought that sketch was gross. That sketch was double gross
“……EXCEPT SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE????”
I agree with so much of what you say in this video. I hope the way they've handled this sets a new precedent for internet scandal apologizes. Also, thank you for offering your comment section as a place to rant. I have a small misplaced anger at Alex because of my Dad cheating on my Mom with someone who was well informed that he was in a 20 year marriage. That said, I hope Alex isn't receiving anymore vitriol from the internet. As a fan, I don't feel betrayed by her because her whole persona wasn't about being a loving girlfriend. People who date people in monogamous relationships really bother me. It's super unethical to me, so I've lost respect for her, but she doesn't deserve the level of antipathy that she's receiving.
He didn’t just cheat on his wife, their friend committed a dubious act with a position of power and it was a big scandal and still is which leads to a lot of trauma! So that person minimalising it to “ooh their friend cheated on their wife” is so wrong!
I've said it on another channel but that skit was disgustingly dismissive.
SNL thinks they’re so funny if the Internet can put together Ned cheating SNL better watch out cause Gen Z’s Internet literally will find out
I find it kind of funny that I’d never have watched them before (not generally the kind of videos I watch on youtube) but their channel seems genuinely fun and I plan on continuing to watch them now.
I do know if you've heard this, or if you're going to address this in this video, since I'm only like 10 minutes in or something, but apparently one of the writers on SNL is friends with ned. So that explains that whole fucked up thing
I think people (namely SNL) aren't taking into account that... the rest of the try guys are friends with Ariel? IIRC Eugene and Ariel were friends BEFORE she married Ned. Yes, all the bullshit Ned's selfish actions had hoisted upon them are reasons they're emotional or angry, but they were friends with Ariel too. It makes sense Eugene seemed especially angry and upset because imagine seeing your good friend get cheated on by someone you both trusted and having no choice but to stay with him because of the kids? I'd be FURIOUS.
HOLD UP HOLD UP: Not for nothing but if aaaaaaaaanybody gets to beat up Ned, it's Becky. Keith got a bunch of bruises because of Full Throttle Fulmer and she swore vengence for her delicate-skinned husband.
when was this? been out of the loop for a while
@@HankageHill They talked about in the You Can Sit With Us podcast.
The problem is we don't know one way or another if Alex was hurt by anything other than the fallout from the affair. People can say that a power dynamic may have played a role in her decision, but we don't know anything about how she felt about all of it. I don't think we should assume anything if she is unwilling to discuss it until there is some other proof.
I feel like the whole SNL skit was completely biased on Ned's behalf considering he knows the writers considering their friendship and it's disgusting and inappropriate because they disregard the real reason behind Ned's firing and describe it as gossip which is way more than that because this was between a boss and coworker who had an affair. The other guys had to do something to save themselves and their reputation because they had no other choice as it was getting public and messy. Will, Ariel and the kids are the only victims in this and deserve privacy.
I would always rather have people having the words to describe what they're going thru and risk bad faith people misusing those words than the other way around, bc the other way around risks invalidating and further hurting people that are already suffering
Eugene and Becky with wine and venting about Ned. I know it’s unlikely, and totally not good for lawyer stuff, but man would it be glorious.
that guy shouldnt have tried that
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All I’m saying is that if Pete Davidson was still working there, that skit would’ve never happened. He had the power to hold back skits about Kanye and Kim, and I think that even if this skit was written, someone should’ve axed it.
SNL isn’t funny without Pete.
I also heard that Eugene is writing his own book too!
Eugene wearing the black revenge breakup outfit. And looking fine AND angry.
It's made me look at the whole group differently. After Ned's cheating came out a lot of women who used to work at buzzfeed said that they say it coming or that Ned has always been like that. If women that knew him years ago knew Ned was a scumbag, how did the men he worked with the most not know?
I think the reporters in the snl sketch did capture how some people are completely clueless to the situation, but beyond that the sketch gave me the ick.
especially because we don’t have a lot of the details i would assume this would have been a traumatic event. maybe not the most traumatic thing but still you really can’t compare your trauma to a point.
One of the most bizarrely hilarious things I always find in this type of “joke” is that, we didn’t make the article. The Try Guys specifically didn’t respond to anyone for comment. But the Gen X/Boomer news cycles picked it up to desperately try and gain new viewers, as Millenials and Gen Z just don’t pay for news articles sorry, and everyone blames us! We did not want or encourage this! Y’all did it to yourselves and then throw “old man yells at cloud” tantrums
In defense of the guy playing Eugene, Bowen Yang really is like that. He is a gay man and he’s pretty flamboyant.
But Eugene wasn’t like that in the original video, so it comes off as mocking Eugene using gay stereotypes, it’s sad especially coming from another gay man
@@brennenbeckwith As someone who watches SNL on and off, I can definitely say that Bowen Yang pretty much always acts like this. He’s hilarious, but he is pretty one-note in his acting. I don’t think it was intentional on his part.
@@brennenbeckwith But I absolutely understand your perspective and the sketch is incredibly mocking.
tbh brennen, my gay ass is always here for eugine's pure energy, full contempt in that video, and just in general he's great xD. I'm here for eugene just taking the camera and popping off, i'd pay so hard for it
I too, would pay money to see Eugene speak his mind with no consequences. But I also wouldn’t mind paying to watch a boxing match between Eugene and Ned too. I give props to anyone who watched the SNL sketch, I couldn’t get through it without getting so angry.
Your videos covering this are really good. I got really upset by the SNL skit, I feel like SNL was making it seem like The Try Guys were overreacting to this serious situation.
It also gave me some serious whiplash on how quick SNL managed to get the sketch out. It's a little suspicious...
You explained the trauma thing so well 👏🏼
So, I would like to say that this is my first experience with you and I appreciate the honesty, forethought, and respect in your comments. I have not seen the SNL skit and agree with you at this point...
BUT please look into Bowen Yang before assuming he's just the homophobic Asian cast member who they shoved into the sketch.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I also highly recommend the movie "Fire Island."
You have such interesting takes and I'm so glad you upload content.
An interesting take on this (even a week+ later) is that Ned might have been jealous about how his friends are doing their own projects, but he has pigeonholed himself as "the married one" and he was intrinsically linked to his wife so it limits his options. He might have realized that, as a "family brand" it wasn't as flexible as the others were and so his options were less broad. It might have felt constricting and he got into a "burn it all down" mentality. Who knows. I'm probably projecting.
No no, you've got a point there. Why else kiss in public around people who WILL figure out who you are? Granted Ned was making a lot of money off book deals and other things, but... What if he didn't want that? He had made a lot of money. The thing is... Ariel might be able to take him down. She can take him down some pegs.
But this is a good point. I was thinking about this. I noticed some others pointed this out. This is possible.
@@jamie1602 Yeah. It was mentioned that he was the wealthiest of the Guys, but it may not have been about money. There is a social cache that revolves around the "coolness" of your artistic projects. In my experience.
His friends were writing a screenplay, trying to get an off Broadway run, and Eugene doing his thing (I don't keep up with the guys so I'm not sure what he does on the side). Ned almost has to do a project with Ariel to have it make sense with his brand, and she may not want to do add any other projects to her busy life.
I dunno. All I do know is that this whole situation is sad, and I truly feel bad for all parties harmed.
Zach also has a tea company. Covid business baby!
The thing that bugs me about people downplaying that this situation was traumatic for the people involved is that like... a lot of people who are dealing with traumatic experiences don't feel that the event was enough to really count even if it really hurt them. So not only is it just a shitty thing to say about the try guys and everyone involved in this situation, it also hurts other people who may read it and will think "oh I guess my trauma isn't really trauma either and I'm just weak".
So the fact that people are trying to "defend" traumatized people in a way that just hurts traumatized people makes it even worse. It's messed up to say that someone's traumatic event wasn't bad enough
Ned actually has a friend that writes for SNL
Unrelated but Brennen, I love your content. You are truly amazing and you always cover these topics in a level-headed, yet no-bullshit attitude and I like that. Keep up the great work! And fuck Ned Fulmer.
PS, Eugene is also a Capricorn so I think that explains some of the iconic attitude
Neds friend is a writer on snl
Ariel is being judged as well here. She referred to the company as family. She’s very close to the other wives and they used to make content together. Can you imagine seeing your world implode. And regarding staying with him, you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Should she continue her job with the try company? Again, see damned/do/don’t. Plus: babies.
John Mulaney wrote the SNL sketch /j
Well said. Your broke it down amd articulated every point very well..
You did better with deuxmoi than a lot of people unfamiliar (and un-French) have😂🙈
Imagine: _Ducks-moy_
We ask men to hold other men accountable for their actions and treatment of others, especially women, and to process their emotions in a healthy way, and when a group of guys actually does, in a mature, reasonable, and compassionate way, we make fun of them? Wth SNL.
I think its funny to describe what Alex did as a mistake. This relationship has been going on for a year. She betrayed her fiance who she was with for 10 years... Seems like a choice to me.
I just cannot imagine having it totally made and then blowing that, on either end. Ned was married to a beautiful woman and Alex (presumably) engaged to a handsome man and yet Alex sacrificed her engagement and her employment, but even more significantly Ned sacrificed his marriage and role as a main "Try Guy" just to hook up with another person?
I can guarantee if someone went to Ned and said "so you can keep your marriage going (even if you have stuff you need to work on) and keep making amazing money for fairly minimal work, or you can give up your marriage and all that money to have a fling with that hot producer" he'd absolutely go with the marriage (that might need help) and amazing money
As someone who has been through addiction where you make illogical decisions I kinda get it, but not really since I assume if Ned went "can we work on things?" she'd agree. Meanwhile for me opiates never agreed to find a compromise
another great video Brennen your content is definitely adding to the conversation in a meaningful way
I'd LOVE to see John the lie detector guy give Ned a lie detector test now after all this shit is out in the open. With the other Try Guys and Ariel asking the questions, of course.
I wasn't aware that Eugene was queen in any way so the snl sketch was extra confusing to me. I thought they injected gay stereotypes into "gene" simply because snl tends to use gay characteristics/stereotypes as a form of comedy all the time and since the beginning. Look at their sketch "ambiguously gay duo," for instance.
Ps. My autocorrect put queen instead of queer.
i feel that, like i want to have the same shirt as Eugene but also Eugene is hot af 👉👈
Not directly related but I think the try guys should do a video with someone who is questioning their gender and help them try being a guy
i know they said theyre not getting a new fourth try guy (and thats chill lol i dont care tbh) but KWESI. KWESI FOURTH TRY GUY.
unrelated but I only now understood the pun in the trypod
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