Got back in the gym about 6 weeks ago, which was the first time I tried a C2 rower. Watched a few videos, including many from Dark Horse, to try and figure it out. I'm 46, 5'10" and on day one, March 9, I was 232 lbs. My first 30 minute row was 3500 meters. Yesterday I rowed 4970 meters in 30 minutes, and I'm down to 224 lbs. Watching what I eat, doing different forms of cardio and weights, but I really enjoy the workout on the C2. Long comment I know, but I guess I just wanted to say thanks for helping guys like me improve their lives.
John this is awesome, I started on Sunday and did 3500m in 36mins, then Monday 3500m in 20 minutes and today 3500m in 20 minutes 25 seconds. I'm going to see if I can do until failure tomorrow! Have you continued to row?
Im so happy that I bought a Concept 2 rower I didnt even realize it was resistance. I bought it in April of 2023 @230 pounds 5'7 and as of today April 2024 I am 155-160 Pounds and I am starting to build muscle now that the fat is gone
Hands down the best tip i have seen. Thank you. I have been turning 1::38 500 m splits but gassed at the end. That changed today when i implemented yiur info. Ty sir
Hi, you should try to relax your upper body (especially shoulders) more right after the finish and during the hands away. Also, try to keep your knees inside your elbows at the catch to keep your shoulders relaxed.In addition, don‘t work that much out of your upper body (you have a lot of movement in the hips), but use the slide forward more to get more out of your legs. A rowing stroke is 80% legs.Best regardsOliver
Appreciate all you say about recovery phase BUT is it not true that particularly in sprints e.g.100m up to 500m if you shorten the recovery and increase strokes per minute you will undoubtedly go faster?
at 3:19, it looks like you break your arms right at the beginning of your stroke, my coaches have told me to keep them locked until the legs have finished transferring power. are they wrong? am i doing something wrong? also, i don't know if you do on the water stuff, but today, my coaches switched me from 6 seat in v1 to stroke in v3. I think it is temporary, but it was very frustrating, because the bow 6 kept rushing, and pulling right before i was catching. this made me keep over compressing at the catch, and mess up my catch. is there a way to fix this? I tried just speeding up my stroke to match the rest of the boat, but then everyone else sped up too, so i was still behind and even farther above the rating.
hey does having shorter legs reduce the watts i can pull on the machine? because i will have less distance to pull the handle back? my height is around 5'4' or 163 centimeter also in the long run i think i will have to pull faster than a taller guy to get the same score meaning that i will get less recovery.
Swimming is also very affective, I had been swimming for 4 month and I have already taken 50 seconds off my 1 km ergo sprint, also in the boat it gives you more flexibility
you should keep knees closer together at the catch, aligned with your toes. Otherwise you can get knee damage long term, plus it would affect the set of a boat on water (ie. a single scull would unbalance)
Hey Antonio, do you have research that points to the concept that external rotation of the femoral head causes long-term knee damage? The systems of the legs require that there are both internal and external rotational components to movement brought on by abductor's and adductor's as well as the gross musculature of the hips. It's also easily demonstrable that external rotation is dynamically responsible for hip opening while internal rotation is directly responsible for hip closure.
Dark Horse Rowing No research really. But anecdotically a few sweep rowers I know did develop bad knee issues, perhaps from the outside arm moving in between legs (which requires to somewhat have 'knees out' in sweep). I've also seen that in cycling you want to pedal roughly with the hip, knee cap and foot in alignment, to generate the most efficient power. "Knees out" in cycling is a common issue leading to knee pain. I found this article that suggests that aligned legs is the optimal form: www.rowperfect.co.uk/how-to-keep-my-legs-parallel-when-sculling/ Let me know what you think.
The article is discussing athletes who can’t keep their legs in control and let them “fall apart,” or collapse. What we’re discussing is tracking knees under the arms with control (not falling apart) and then pushing through the foot stretchers with external rotation to help athletes engage the entire legs and use the body’s natural force driver mechanism of torque to assist the leg drive. Concerning the athletes who have had knee issues from sweep, there’s good argument to be made that without proper strength training for balance of leg anatomy it’s easy for rowers to become overly quad dominant which would cause overly tight quads therein placing undue stress on either the knee or hip joint where the quads insert and cause “phantom” pain that can’t be clearly placed on an acute moment of injury but rather inexplicably onset over time due to the chronic nature of imbalance.
Hey, man not be an online coach or anything... Don't drop your hands on your recovery to catch. You lose distance and extension. Just some advice from 7 years of crew XD. I had the same issue, imagine your hands gliding over a table top.
I need to rant about practice... So we were taking the boat out of the water and for some reason I was the only person lifting the bow and the other 7 were up by the stern... So we lifted it and everything was fine until we had to walk up a ramp to get the boat back to the boathouse. THE ENTIRE WEIGHT OF THE BOAT WAS ON MY SHOULDER and now there's a huge bump and bruise on my right shoulder -_- worst part is I have practice again tomorrow
We have done some of those StephansBilderwelt but we've found those screen shots to be pretty boring for people, we can certainly consider including them in the future though! Thanks for the idea.
As an alternative to showing the monitor with this video I would have loved you to comment when doing a few strokes at a slow SR to be something like SR 17 Split x then when you increased the SR another comment like SR now 22 Split y.
Guys can someone help. I don’t understand why am I getting same results with 10 and 3 resistance. I’m trying to get 300m in 1 minute. I’m a petite girl and can only get up to 250m now:(((( started rowing in March
I understand the benefit behind this tactic for training, but my question is: does it work for competition? Do pro rowers use this pace in tournaments?
You'll see competitive indoor rowers using technique from all different backgrounds but yes, in general there's nothing I would coach that wouldn't be real world usable.
If you give your arms 10% of the recovery, your core 30% and your legs 60%, then aren’t all 3 categories actually getting 100%? You ant using any of them really
Definitely check out our video on the getting your glutes working for you edinborogh ruclips.net/video/FF9SM3iJUfw/видео.html to help increase stroke power, and for long distance rowing check out our pain cave video ruclips.net/video/3sT147uZl5o/видео.html. I'd say they're both applicable here.
Got back in the gym about 6 weeks ago, which was the first time I tried a C2 rower. Watched a few videos, including many from Dark Horse, to try and figure it out. I'm 46, 5'10" and on day one, March 9, I was 232 lbs. My first 30 minute row was 3500 meters. Yesterday I rowed 4970 meters in 30 minutes, and I'm down to 224 lbs. Watching what I eat, doing different forms of cardio and weights, but I really enjoy the workout on the C2. Long comment I know, but I guess I just wanted to say thanks for helping guys like me improve their lives.
John this is awesome, I started on Sunday and did 3500m in 36mins, then Monday 3500m in 20 minutes and today 3500m in 20 minutes 25 seconds. I'm going to see if I can do until failure tomorrow! Have you continued to row?
What resistance you put it on ?
Started rowing two weeks ago and it is really helping me get back in shape. Thanks for the advice
Im so happy that I bought a Concept 2 rower I didnt even realize it was resistance. I bought it in April of 2023 @230 pounds 5'7 and as of today April 2024 I am 155-160 Pounds and I am starting to build muscle now that the fat is gone
Hands down the best tip i have seen. Thank you. I have been turning 1::38 500 m splits but gassed at the end. That changed today when i implemented yiur info. Ty sir
So, so well explained. I just started erging and rowing this summer (52 year old woman!) and this was very helpful.
Started rowing after a long time and reached 66 km in two weeks. Love it!
Awesome explanation. Now to relax on the return. It sounds easy but it takes practice for sure. But I get the import of it now. Thanks!
THe recovery is your friend!
Thanks for your advice
Hi, you should try to relax your upper body (especially shoulders) more right after the finish and during the hands away. Also, try to keep your knees inside your elbows at the catch to keep your shoulders relaxed.In addition, don‘t work that much out of your upper body (you have a lot of movement in the hips), but use the slide forward more to get more out of your legs. A rowing stroke is 80% legs.Best regardsOliver
Really helpful, thankyou!
Do you have a video that shows particular rowing workouts that improve times for something like the 100 meter row?
First time I have seen your stuff. Love your info. Thanks
Thanks Lane!
Another awesome video, Shane! Thanks!
Thanks so much, Molly!
No munchies during the row. You gotta earn that sandwich.
Ha, Ryan earns his sandwich every day!
Not sure if your profile pic is you or Joe budden
Appreciate all you say about recovery phase BUT is it not true that particularly in sprints e.g.100m up to 500m if you shorten the recovery and increase strokes per minute you will undoubtedly go faster?
Yes but those distances are not distances you should practice very often
You won't be able to row 2k without sufficient recovery so it's a balancing act
Btw, thank you for the value in this recovery video
Working on this tomorrow
at 3:19, it looks like you break your arms right at the beginning of your stroke, my coaches have told me to keep them locked until the legs have finished transferring power. are they wrong? am i doing something wrong? also, i don't know if you do on the water stuff, but today, my coaches switched me from 6 seat in v1 to stroke in v3. I think it is temporary, but it was very frustrating, because the bow 6 kept rushing, and pulling right before i was catching. this made me keep over compressing at the catch, and mess up my catch. is there a way to fix this? I tried just speeding up my stroke to match the rest of the boat, but then everyone else sped up too, so i was still behind and even farther above the rating.
Very, very helpful. Thank you.
You're very welcome Tom!
Does anyone have tips on how to drink while rowing? I stop to drink as fast as possible and it absolutely tanks my average times
Yes. Don’t. Hydrate well before. You are welcome in advance. :)
If you must drink while rowing wear a Camelback and keep the tube near your mouth.
Wow Thxs a lot for this one I appreciate it.
Is rowing better than running?
hey does having shorter legs reduce the watts i can pull on the machine? because i will have less distance to pull the handle back? my height is around 5'4' or 163 centimeter also in the long run i think i will have to pull faster than a taller guy to get the same score meaning that i will get less recovery.
Don’t forget that for the taller guys time under tension is greater, because pull is longer.
Very useful video. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it, Jon! Thanks for tuning in.
is weightlifting and rowing a good combination of sports to do?
Hell yes! Very nicely balancing to one another and an awesome combo.
Swimming is also very affective, I had been swimming for 4 month and I have already taken 50 seconds off my 1 km ergo sprint, also in the boat it gives you more flexibility
Thanks bud.
you should keep knees closer together at the catch, aligned with your toes. Otherwise you can get knee damage long term, plus it would affect the set of a boat on water (ie. a single scull would unbalance)
Hey Antonio, do you have research that points to the concept that external rotation of the femoral head causes long-term knee damage? The systems of the legs require that there are both internal and external rotational components to movement brought on by abductor's and adductor's as well as the gross musculature of the hips. It's also easily demonstrable that external rotation is dynamically responsible for hip opening while internal rotation is directly responsible for hip closure.
Dark Horse Rowing No research really. But anecdotically a few sweep rowers I know did develop bad knee issues, perhaps from the outside arm moving in between legs (which requires to somewhat have 'knees out' in sweep). I've also seen that in cycling you want to pedal roughly with the hip, knee cap and foot in alignment, to generate the most efficient power. "Knees out" in cycling is a common issue leading to knee pain. I found this article that suggests that aligned legs is the optimal form:
www.rowperfect.co.uk/how-to-keep-my-legs-parallel-when-sculling/ Let me know what you think.
The article is discussing athletes who can’t keep their legs in control and let them “fall apart,” or collapse. What we’re discussing is tracking knees under the arms with control (not falling apart) and then pushing through the foot stretchers with external rotation to help athletes engage the entire legs and use the body’s natural force driver mechanism of torque to assist the leg drive.
Concerning the athletes who have had knee issues from sweep, there’s good argument to be made that without proper strength training for balance of leg anatomy it’s easy for rowers to become overly quad dominant which would cause overly tight quads therein placing undue stress on either the knee or hip joint where the quads insert and cause “phantom” pain that can’t be clearly placed on an acute moment of injury but rather inexplicably onset over time due to the chronic nature of imbalance.
Hey, man not be an online coach or anything... Don't drop your hands on your recovery to catch. You lose distance and extension. Just some advice from 7 years of crew XD. I had the same issue, imagine your hands gliding over a table top.
Thank you !
You're very welcome David!
I need to rant about practice... So we were taking the boat out of the water and for some reason I was the only person lifting the bow and the other 7 were up by the stern... So we lifted it and everything was fine until we had to walk up a ramp to get the boat back to the boathouse. THE ENTIRE WEIGHT OF THE BOAT WAS ON MY SHOULDER and now there's a huge bump and bruise on my right shoulder -_- worst part is I have practice again tomorrow
Sorry about that experience Abby!
Abbybakk being the tallest on my novice boat I have scars on my shoulder from where the gunnel of the boat lays
It would be nice if you point one of your cameras at the display while explaining what you do
We have done some of those StephansBilderwelt but we've found those screen shots to be pretty boring for people, we can certainly consider including them in the future though! Thanks for the idea.
Thanks, maybe in the corner somewhere, sometimes. Have a good day
As an alternative to showing the monitor with this video I would have loved you to comment when doing a few strokes at a slow SR to be something like SR 17 Split x then when you increased the SR another comment like SR now 22 Split y.
shhhhhhhhh!
Guys can someone help. I don’t understand why am I getting same results with 10 and 3 resistance. I’m trying to get 300m in 1 minute. I’m a petite girl and can only get up to 250m now:(((( started rowing in March
Great video. What about breathing technique during the stroke?? Cadence??
Have you found our videos on breathing Jeff?
Thanks, very helpful
Happy to help Ivan!
Brilliant.
👍Thanks Mich.
Helpful.
sweet!!
Indeed!!
I understand the benefit behind this tactic for training, but my question is: does it work for competition? Do pro rowers use this pace in tournaments?
You'll see competitive indoor rowers using technique from all different backgrounds but yes, in general there's nothing I would coach that wouldn't be real world usable.
@@DarkHorseRowing Thanx a lot.
awesome tips thanks coach.
I got you Orestis!
Those old vdos!!
Why are you called Dark Horse Rowing?
It's great story. We'll have to make a video on it Armando!
personally i dont need any advice on how to row but if u guys need any pointers u can contact my rowing club at Shiplake college
🤣So happy you chose to spend your time watching us then! Best of luck in your career.
Dark Horse Rowing how rude is that guy
If you give your arms 10% of the recovery, your core 30% and your legs 60%, then aren’t all 3 categories actually getting 100%? You ant using any of them really
awesome!!
Dark horse Rocks!! can you do videos about long distance rowing and how to improve stroke power pls?
Definitely check out our video on the getting your glutes working for you edinborogh ruclips.net/video/FF9SM3iJUfw/видео.html to help increase stroke power, and for long distance rowing check out our pain cave video ruclips.net/video/3sT147uZl5o/видео.html. I'd say they're both applicable here.
Awesome!! thanks!!