It's very obvious that Oda wasn't 100% sure what Haki would be before the time skip (he only teased it briefly and had a vague idea) what reasoning would he have to not show black arms? watching rayleigh vs kizaru now makes no sense because it just looks like he could magically touch him
i mean that there would be problems with fighting logia users should have been clear the second he put them in, so he should at least have an idea about it at that point
The fact Blackbeard said Luffy's Haki IMPROVED in Impel Down means at least since Crocodile, Luffy displayed a certain level of Haki even if it was infant stages and wasn't explicitly shown
Yup. The zoro thing back in alabasta kinda proves that in intense situations people can awaken haki temporarily. I wouldn’t be surprised if several straw hats used haki pre timeskip. Especially usopp
I think that overall haki levels are a mirror to a person’s growth weather it’s physical strength or character growth from the many trials they went through so BB’s statement doesn’t mean that Luffy was using haki but it was alluding to his innate haki. Alas I believe that all OP characters even fodders and regular citizens are using haki but to a very very low degree
It blows my mind how some people weirdly believe that Observation Haki, especially future sight is passive yet Katakuri *explicitly* states that in order for him to use it, *he needs to focus* otherwise it won't work
@@BlackangelKatakuri no ur literally just not using ur brain, imagine how broken it is to use haki without it using up ur stamina, haki uses up stamina it isn't passive therefore people wouldn't have it on all the time, unless they believe they need it
I always believed that Armament Haki works literally how Rayleigh explains it. The user covers themselves in Armament Haki from head to toe thus enhancing their physical capabilities. This doesn't take up much stamina because the coating is of a lower concentration. Whenever the black coating effect occurs, it's simply increasing the concentration of Haki. The whole invisible Armament would be similar to Ten from Hunter x Hunter. Examples for Invisible Armament was when Zoro took an explosion from King and said that he was glad that he used Haki or when Apoo was stabbed in the neck but Armament Haki was used to prevent it from being fatal.
Exactly this lines up with zoro turning his swords into black blades even though we know he uses haki against his enemies in the post timeskip i.e vs the pacifistas without the black coating, black coating is just a more concentrated version. Also this lines up with g4 as it is a form that uses excessive haki as it black coats nearly all of luffy body which even supports law new ability to negate some df techniques as g4 was able to negate doflamingos strings. The regular armament haki might've been that aura he displayed when teaching luffy armament for the first time. We also see more examples like when g5 luffy punches kaido head and there no visible black coating but it is confirmed to be armament, while there another example of g5 blocking kaido attack and there is black coating making me assume that black coating indeed is just a more concentrated armament haki.
Shanks also mentioned that he had to look like a threat when coming on board an enemy’s ship when Marco told him he made a mess which clearly implies Shank was turning on his Conqueror’s Haki just before going on board.
Bro Shanks, is such a menace, but admittedly Whitebeard, isn’t one to be scared by a mere none Haki emitting shanks, plus Blackbeard, was still able to scar him so some people clearly don’t fear him.
@@joshshrum2764 Considering the characteristics of Shanks and Blackbeard, it is highly probable that Shanks want to have a friendly spar but instead caught off guard by BB.
One thing I didn’t remember till now is that even Katakuri was caught off guard, which lends credence to the idea that you have to be actively using it. otherwise he would’ve stopped eating during his tea break the moment Luffy started approaching the house to destroy it.
@@GuysCupank lmao I guess they believe that you can only see the future with your eyes open? Which sounds like a weird motivational quote you see in a guidance counselor’s office?
THANK YOU!! I was really annoyed with the people who talked like Observation Haki was some passive ability. It's been proven wrong all the time, and we even got Kaido using it only for a split second. People take Katakuri as a standard Observation Haki user, but his whole character was that he NEVER let his guard down. He is the only guy who turns it on as much as possible.
Exactly observation always been more of a detective vision where it has to be manually turned on. It takes effort to use these abilities while for a spider sense it happens passively for spiderman.
But like, is it really not passive though, even for top guys? Because let's say, Shanks for example (I choose him because he's a chill yonko with no devil fruit), is taking a stroll on some new world island and his haki is turned off, couldn't some fodder just sneak assassinate him and collect 4 billion berries? I really feel like top pirates would have to have observation constantly turned on to survive.
@@jmw9173 that's why they have their own territories and have alot of crewmates? Zoro is awake at night to guard his crewmates and Luffy can sleep soundly with Sanji carrying him
I think that's a better way to phrase it. It prevents any affect that targets you directly. The only inconsistency regarding this that I can think of is that Don Chinjao should've been able to free himself from Sugar's power, though maybe he wasn't aware of that.
@@shyguypro9876 I think you need 1st commander+ /Yonko level Haki to get out of it. Like, resisting devil fruit is like an advanced form of haki in and of itself. The problem is that Law shouldn't have been able to just cancel a somewhat only half hax attack. Like, Don chinjao probably didn't have strong enough Haki and skillfull enough technique to do it. But, should Luffy learn about this, He should be able to counter Sugars Df should they meet again in the final war
The weird thing is, I thought this was inferred before it was outright talked about. Glad we got confirmation but I'm surprised people needed it spelled out. Things like Laws room was already resisted or things he couldn't move as easily, haki and his out stamina being the reasons.
@@shyguypro9876 was he aware that he can break it with haki? and on top of that, she made a contract with him.........that's why other toys were not even able to refuse her orders except "soldier-san" who got away before she tried to make a contract so I think once she made a contract with you, no matter what you can't break her ability
My headcanon for armament is this: it works a lot like Nen from Hunter X Hunter. You can spread it throughout your entire body (similar to Ten) and get the benefits of being able to strike at the true form of Devil Fruit users (bypassing defenses from Logia types, or those like Luffy). Alternatively, you can focus it on a specific body part (similar to Ken), strengthening that body part to a high degree, and turning it black.
Agreed that why I think g4 uses excessive haki focused on his upper body and it displayed as black coating because oda wants people to recognize that luffy using a lot of haki in this form. Same when we see zoro using black coating on his swords as it showed to showcase that zoro is now using more haki on his swords than usual.
I like it but how does the full body work that for example Vergo showcased? He can't really focus on every part now, can he? Pica did it too and his Haki was clearly not that great.
I’ve interpreted the “Haki canceling devil fruit abilities”, as requiring a certain threshold of power to use, as opposed to just having more Haki than your opponent. That is, if a devil fruit user has a Haki amount of 1, and he uses his ability on someone with a Haki of 10, the latter couldn’t cancel it because they need to have a Haki of 100 to cancel the ability. This would explain why someone like Chinjao and Sai couldn’t undo being turned into toys by Sugar, but stronger characters like Law, Kaido and Big Mom can undo abilities.
Yea this would line up with how sugar was able to turn luffy and law into toys so usopp had to stop her but after the yonko battle law haki learns from the fight and prob got a haki bloom leading him to use excessive haki.
Maybe it's not based on the haki of the user but the strength of will of the fruit itself. That's why awakening can still damage them cause the awakened fruit also has enhanced will
Law only became aware of the possibility to counter-act DF using a great deal of Haki during his fight with the Yonko, as he stated in 1063. So it would make sense most aren't really aware of it or outright incapable of countering DF because they don't possess enough Haki to reverse the effect(which might be more difficult than outright negating it, but this is pure headcanon).
No ur right. Law states twice that it’s take an OVERWHELMING amount of Haki to negate DF abilities. Obviously BM and Kiado had tht and now he does too after fighting the yonko. Luffy and Kid can prob do the same thing but they haven’t fought someone with a DF ability that affects their bodies yet to figure it out like law did with Doc Q.
About the black lightning, since WCI I’ve always assumed that they are meant to represent a very high haki output, regardless of type. Three scenes I always remember are: Big mom destroying the KX launcher with conquerors, showing that it doesn’t have to be a clash between two characters of any sort, let alone a clash between conquerors users, Katakuri using edge mochi (a mochi mochi no mi + armament technique) to kill the chefs that saw him eating, showing that it has nothing to do with conquerors (unless you want to assume that that’s somehow some proto version of conquerors coating which I think we can all agree is ridiculous), and Sanji kicking Oven in the neck to save Chiffon (yes, the black sparks are small but they are there, and in multiple panels) which of course is even more evidence that it’s not representing conquerors nor a clash between conquerors necessarily.
Some additional points: - Sanji and Jinbe have used “black lightning”. Neither of them use CoC - The red scabbards and Zoro consistently attacked Kaido without Black coating on their swords (some of the scabbards even CUT Kaido)
In the case of people who became toys, they probably can't even activate their Haki in that form, just like someone petrified by Hancock can't activate Haki.
Haki is so impressive as a result of the slow-burn narrative. It's perfect for the setting to tie the theming together, as well as explain how people without devil fruits are capable of being as strong as they are... and how logias do not dominate the entire setting. It all just simply makes sense, and complements the progression of the long-term story. Physical power is achieved with character development and strength of ambition. Again, it's perfect. You wanna know what's absolutely insane? Hiriluk's explaination of what's later revealed to be haki is 100% accurate, yet explained in such a way so as to allow it to not be limited to merely what he explains in that arc. And of course it's remained consistent with what he's described as far, far back as Drum Island. It's so... One Piece. Just fantastic stuff all-round.
“A pirate? Pirates are great men of the sea. They have a body as hard like stone (armament), eyes of an eagle (observation), and a voice that tears the sky asunder (conquerors)."
I think Haki is just resistive towards Devil Fruit abilities. Like you can resist an ability before/while it's being used on you but you can't do anything AFTER the ability takes effect. For example, a lot of debate was stirred up about countering Ivankov's devil fruit and turn back after Ivankov changes your gender. To my understanding, you can counter that ability while Ivankov injects you and resist it but haki is ineffective after your gender was already switched. Now then how did Law change back after he was already turned? It was described in the chapter that it was a disease and Law turning back probably had to do with either him being a doctor or the fact that diseases can be cured, unlike Ivankov's ability, which literally alters your DNA. That's not a disease per se. To counter Bonnie's ability you probably have to know about it and use haki before she uses it on you. But for Big Mom and Kaido, their haki is already way too high to begin with so you cant do anything to them and Law is especially unlucky in this area. His room affects the surroundings and the things within his room so he cant get people with higher haki into it but however, Kidd was able to turn BigMom into a magnet just fine, I think that's because abilities like Kidd's, Sugar's and Bonnie's directly affects the target and you need to have active haki to counter them.
This comment make no sense a little bit, what you're mentioning is basically what happen to Law (except Ivan didn't do it). If you're talking about hormone affecting someone's gender, that HORMONE comes from IVAN DF (It's literally called HORMONE HORMONE fruit), so it's literally can still be affected by Haki. There's one example that might be close to what you're looking for : Gamma's Knife, this ability destroy your body from the inside, what Haki does in this instance is stopping the destruction of internal organ, but it can't stop the bleeding caused by Gamma's Knife. So yeah basically what you probably wanna say is : Haki *_stop_* DF's effects but it *_can't reverse the damages_* done by DF
My interpretation of black coating is that it is the character using more excessive armament similar to how g4 is luffy using almost all of his armament to coat himself. Armament haki can be used without the coating visual as we see multiple times but black armament is to display that the character is using a more excessive version. Which is why when zoro coats his sword it displayed as a powerup even though we know he uses haki all the time. It also lines up how g4 excessive haki can break doflamingo's strings.
I dont understand why everyobdy is making such theories about that, since minute one I understood it was just a visual representation so we can know when is the character using armament haki...Like the powers of kimetsu or any other anime with simialr power systems...
zoro uses his asura moves pre-timeskip, so i think the ability itself isnt particularly linked to conquerors haki (or any haki for that matter), but i think when he damaged kaido he did utilize it
Yeah, but similar to the observation moment he has for a split second i think he got a burst of conquerors Haki, and you didn’t say advanced so it could just be normal conquerors everytime, and due to the strain of using it his body produces a conquerors coding so it doesn’t completely fry him when using it.
I'm always surprised by how few people failed to see just how ENORMOUS learning about haki was. By the time it's revealed and talked about it's been shown dozens of times and the audience never knew what they were seeing. So many things that were likely blown off as plot armor or random coincidence were all people using haki often without knowing anything about it or only one side knew but not the other.
It's also wotth reminding that haki blooms in extreme situations. We've only ever seen Zoro use Ashura in dire situations. Meaning its 100% possible that its advanced conquerers.
Well wouldn't that mean he used advanced coq since enies lobby,I just think ashura is zoros final attack. Zoro can finally utilise advanced coq willingly so ashura+ advanced coq coating would be busted. If he's able to train ashura to the point he can use it like luffy gear 2. Zoro would be so strong he could easily be comparable to luffy
The ultimate result always depends on Haki, more precisely conquers Haki. Said Haki can't be trained, it is basacly the manifestation of your qualities as a conquer. That also means that those who have it tend to be in leading positions, due to their nature, meaning that they will refuse or will be unable to work under someone, unless the leader/captain is a greater conquer, leading to a stronger Haki. It's not a coincidence that the few subordinates with conquers Haki we know, so far, were all under absolute monsters (Roger, WB, Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy Xebec and Shanks probably here too). That's why, every time characters mentioned that Zoro was strong enough to be respectable captain, they always end up wondering just how much of a monster Luffy is. He will never be on the same level, at least not in One Piece
@@Blaze-hq4ox He's been using ryuo since Alabasta & advanced COC since EL. It's just he wasn't strong enough to make both as effective as he can now plus he wasn't aware of haki like he is now. Haki takes years to master so it makes sense why it was so small scale. Even Luffy was using haki in spurts. Possibly the only way they were able to go beyond. I think Asura theoretically should be gone because being able to use ACOC consciously should do away with all that forced aura etc but Oda will find a way to have it be a move among many new advanced CoC attacks.
@@Blaze-hq4ox zoro has had all 3 haki by water 7 arc. During end of alabasta he mentions that he needs to bring the mysterious power again. Then later by end of skypiea, the scene where usopp scammed skypieans for some dials, we see zoro cutting a rock without blade contact, showing he was now capable of bringing it out. In water seven he sensed that chopper had his sword to chopper's surprise. Kaku also mentions zoro having a mysterious power. In ennies lobby did you notice that kaku never used tekkai to defend against zoro, almost as if it wouldnt have worked. 😅 Theres also a scene where zoro tried to cut the tunnel, and when he failed, he summized that there was another material behind the wall, an odd statement to say. And of course conquerors haki when he used ashura
Asura in itself IS conquerors haki, it is implied in One Piece Yellow : Grand Elements (ワンピース イエロー グランド エレメンツ) a pre TS databook. That's why Kaido felt it when Zoro used it, but he did not use the advanced version until chapter 1033 because he wasn't using Enma correctly which prevented him from releasing all his haki (conquerors included). That's why the black lightnings only appear starting from chapter 1033 for Zoro
@@Zoro-go1mc oooh yeah I know about that, Kaku said it as well. I’ve always felt that zoro is able to create ashura using his conquerors haki. Morj is very wrong because even oden isn’t stated to possess conquerors coating, it’s clear he scarred kaido with ryuo which is the exact same for zoro.
@@Chuck_Brownn Nah pal Oden is a confirmed conquerors haki user, he almost killed Kaido landing one attack only lol, Oden is much stronger than the Zoro who was on the roof, the scar he made to Kaido doesn't compare to what Oden did. Current Zoro vs Oden is a close match up though
@@Zoro-go1mc yeah you’re right, oden had conquerors coating because the scar he gave kaido is much bigger than what zoro gave him. It’s crazy how zoro is the only one capable to doing the most significant damage to kaido before his powerup, it’s sad the community looks down on him.
My theory on sugars fruit for example, would be that you would have to know what is about to happen to block it, and since you never remember the people before they become toys it could be hard. And once you become a toy, technically you're no longer a human so you probably don't have haki
I have made these Arguments for years. It's the same as the Martial Arts and with Martial Artists, Fighters, and other people proficient in Skills. Haki deals with the Soul, Willpower, and more.
I’ve always read/understood the story through the eyes of the protagonist(s) where if they didn’t understand the power oda wasn’t going to really illustrate it to its full potential as you see pre time skip a bunch of evidence of haki (maybe even oda didn’t really know how he wanted to flesh out haki at the time), but the whole power system of haki as flawed/subjective as it may be really gives oda freedom in his story to do many different things and honestly keep characters relevant no matter what their power is or lack of special ability. When you have such a structured power system I think it’s hard to keep many characters in the thick of things (ie naruto/sasuke, goku /vegeta). So I’ve always saw the haki system as more of a writing aide than just a pure power system
I think Zoro's conquer haki "key" is pretty clear: when he "give" everything he has and stop "controling" he is able to infuse conquer haki. He did that for the firdt time with Asura, against Kaido in a desperate attack. And he did it again with Enma, when he "unleashed" all his haki flow and let Enma take as much as it wanted.
Before watching the video I'll point out some stuff I think people get wrong, specifically about black coating. It's been a long time since I've re read the parts of the manga where that would be explained, but from what I remember, there's no difference between black coating and non black coating, it's just oda not being consistent. Some examples: Kaido saying Luffy is coated in armament and conquerors in gear 5th even tho his punches aren't coated in black. Cracker blocking a black coating gum gum pistol from Luffy without using black coating. Also Luffy pointed out how tough is armament haki was. Sanji supposedly not having armament haki, even tho he mentions it multiple times. What happens in his case in my opinion is that giving him black coating would change almost nothing visually in his design, at least in the manga, and Oda also gave him a unique look for diable jambe since before the timeskip, one that doesn't mix well with the black coating design. I actually really like haki and how it has slowly been explained to us, and thematically I think it's perfect, but yeah, Oda is just very inconsistent with it, specially with armament, I actually think he's made a pretty good job telling us when someone is using future sight, even if it isn't the most visually pleasing. I think when a character is confirmed to have armament haki, like the tobi roppo or law, we're supposed to asume they're using it every time they attack. But I agree it isn't perfect, because that's not the case with defense, actually putting up your armament haki in the exact spot you'll be hit is difficult, so that isn't necessarily the case. Its actually an incredibly hard power system to be consistent with. Now I'll watch the vid :3
I feel like the main thing that makes me think coating can't just be haki visualized is zoro using coating as a powerup to cut pica when we know he always using haki. That why I just interpreted that coating is just more armament being used similar to g4 on how he has to use more excessive haki in that form. It also lines up how g4 excessive haki can break doflamingo's strings.
@@glungusgongus he says it in chapter 1045 when they've only been fighting for a little bit and right before Luffy punches him through the face, but even if he's referring to the entire fight, Luffy didn't show black coating a single time in gear 5th up to that point, and if I remember correctly, he only shows it when he uses bajrang gun, so the point still remains, he's clearly using top tier haki but it isn't shown with black coating.
I'd like to add one more: Everyone seems to think that haki is a replenishable but finite resource that can be depleted if used excessively. This stems from luffy saying he can't use haki for 10 minutes after Gear 4, however, in no dialogue is it stated that Luffy runs out of haki. I have always taken this as Luffy just being physically too worn out and exhausted to use haki, since it is straining. Besides, haki has to be infinite at least in some individuals, as Big Mom and Kaido live in permanent ACoC coating.
@@Jb-id1bu No he just says he unable to use it for 10 minutes. I interpreted it as he uses so much that his body cant handle using more like a gun cooling down before it can shoot again.
Do you think that conquer’s Haki can be temporary? Haki seems willpower based. The two instances Sabo and the Scabbards involve huge emotional charge behind the scenes. It makes me wonder if their emotions charged their will and manifested in that way. Temporary haki flare driven by emotion.
I would argue so. Theories around Usopp having/tapping into conqueror's haki in some of his fights from temporary will have some standing. He knocks out a few enemies with his fists despite being rather weak physically and it's even suspected he does not actually physically collide with them. I believe conqueror's haki is the expression of the voice of all things, the trust that other people place in a person. The more one inspires others, the stronger their conqueror's haki becomes. That's my headcannon
A lot of people seem to think conquerors is genetic or fate based but I think anyone can potentially unlock it it just takes a life most people can't/won't live
According to Ray, coc is not Inherently possible with everyone unlike coa and coo. I'd trust statements from old legends like Ray who has mastered haki in all forms.
@@glungusgongus Is that really the message Oda would send? Does OP seem like a story about having to be born with certain capabilities to be able to accomplish your dreams, or is it about having the willpower to dream and chase that dream? I don’t see why one has to be born with it, will power isn’t predetermined imo
Pretty spot on made me think in certain instances. Like I don’t think Luffy knows you can overcome non Logia DFs. I think law is just a different level of intelligent likely seeing that his DF was negated in certain instances without even likely Big Mom or Kaido understanding what they were doing themselves and not many DF users like Law are top tier and smart enough to recognize what’s happening. I think he’s likely just way too smart and unlocked a new ability others will likely learn from him. Also agree fully that Asura was ACOC even Kaido acknowledged him. Same with your take on Observation being on or off based on if the user is actually using it at the time which I think gives credit to law uncovering the nature of Haki a bit more deeply allowing him to use it to overcome DFs in a more significant way.
Don't get why people would be surprised at Zoro tapping into Haki abilities pre-ts, people had to learn that shit somehow to teach it later on, and since Haki grows in battle that's obviously when it will be unlocked, like how Conqueror's showcase it without any mastery or knowledge, as is the case for Ace, Luffy, Doffy and Zoro. Usopp tapped into observation, so did Enel without knowing it was Haki specifically but known as something else, and the Kuja pirates are ALL warriors using Haki, they also had to somehow learn it so at some point the first Pirate Empress or something tapped into it unknowingly. The question is how the fuck Buggy has yet to unlock it..
Lol agree with everything you stated because I have said it but that’s the thing I think buggy would know about it but because he doesn’t practice the usage of it he doesn’t use it. Like you stated buggy been chillen for a long time.
@@FireAngelChris Yea buggy is probably aware of it but he no interest in taking the time to learn it or been in a dangerous enough situation to him where it will be forced to awaken simliar to usopp sniping or zoro vs mr.1
Note that even Katakuri was caught off-guard DONUTS Time!! He didn't foresee Luffy interrupting his meal, or anything up to Lufffy landing some G4 blows, not until Katakuri composed himself and made a conscoiuus effort to use future sight again.
Conqueror haki users as always had high durability, even without advanced coating having conqueror haki allows you to endure significant pain. Katakuri, Whitebeard, Roger, Kid, Luffy, Zoro etc has shown big endurance feats which is an indication of their conqueror haki.
Oda already stated that the black coloring for armament haki is something he adds for the reader sometimes, in the manga nobody actually sees things turn black when armament haki is used
Didn't Luffy cancel out Doffy's Parasitic Strings thingy? This ability also affects the individual directly so it makes sense it can be cancelled with Haki
@@aydentew312 Ahhhh true, but Haki, can probably help you break free from the mind controlling effect, but it definitely wouldn’t work on Kaido, or anyone with Haki, and good muscles, but king rikku got affected because he isn’t really a fighter. P.S By willpower i meant having to will to keep your strength, and break free not let your muscles relax.
I feel the black lightning was literally just to showcase two strong Haki's clashing, I don't think it has anything to do with what type of Haki they're using. It simply shows that a clash is taking place between 2 strong wills.
Observation is probably constantly in use, it wouldnt really have much of a point if it had to be manually activated to be able to sense oncoming attack's, it was even shown white beard was using observation haki in his sleep to deal with aces assassination attempts. Or for example in fishman island when luffy noticed caribou in shirahoshis room, why would luffy just randomly turn on his observation haki just then ? It makes much more sense that observation is something that is constantly active, similar to hearing, you dont have to turn on your hearing, but you cant hear literally everything and sometimes you aren't paying attention to the things you hear. Future sight may or may not be something that has to be activate but even that may be able to be always active.
Haki stopped making sense the minute Big Mom didn’t use her conquerors coating against Kidd and Law. Luffy going gear fight and having Haki right after he was just taken out the 10 minute time limit didn’t make sense either.
Nah she did use her coating, but the coating doesn't help against impact damage and the crushing that Kidd does and Law can do internal damages with lightning and his awakening and whatnot. That was stated and it was actually consistent with the idea of conquerors coating. Its a coat of armor, but if you run over a person with a diamond armor with a truck, they're still gonna suffer damages from the impact, even if the skin remains unharmed. Also Luffy knockout after Gear 4 was shortened when he used it against Katakuri on repeat, which I am very sure was also mentioned during their battle. He was constantly training his haki during the 2 week timeskip plus it wouldn't even make sense for the 10 minute knockout to remain a constant considering future enemies are gonna be even stronger.
@@glungusgongus I don't see the point here. Offensively she was clearly stronger. An arm wrestling match she would've likely won 100/100 times. But it wasn't an arm wrestling match. Kid and Law were able to barely hold out against her. Then they surprised her with their awakenings and in the end she couldn't call her homies to catch her. Its consistent in the story.
Very interesting that Zoro says "and my own heartbeat beats as loudy as a DRUM... This is the boundary between life and death" when thinking about the Drums of Liberation
I always assumed it depended on focus, strength of will and overall health.. ie at the coliseum they were turned right after they were beaten and unaware of what was happening. Katakuri being flustered and unable to use future sight. And shanks fainting those with out any haki(will). As far as colored and non colored haki I think it was just based on oda's decision after time skip to better help emphasize haki vs conquerors haki.
Haki is based on Siddhi's in Buddhism and Hinduism. Coincidentally they can be acquired through will power and determined practice just like haki. A stronger will can overcome weaker will just like the concept of spiritual pressure in bleach.
03:18 its weird how not only there's those ulti scenes like that, the official coloring could help disprove but they even added the red with it, and the treasure cruise artwork also is full of black/red lighting (i know a game is a not good source, i mean that is interesting how it keeps happening with her ambiguos or not)
The devil fruit counter is so weird. Why was blackbeard afraid of boas ability then? If sugar touches someone that kaido knew does he still forget about them or does he still remember because his haki is too strong? Is it a certain level of haki you have to be or is it just your haki relative to the haki of the devil fruit user, because that would explain the BB being afraid of boa because she has conquerors haki
I think it's as you said. The haki needs to be high enough quality. BB is implied to not be tremendously gifted in haki skills and so he goes after DF instead. He might not even know that haki can resist a DF ability, or if he does know that it can, he might also know his HIS haki isn't good enough to do it.
@@dye-lawn his haki was good enough to block seraphin mihawk slash with his arm and to clash with law who just proved his haki could take away docs effects. So tbh it doesnt make much sense for him to have too weak haki to do it, or for the same guy who knew what fruit to go for and what it looked like and how to eat multiple to not know basics like negating effects
Yeah I think it depends on their relative level of haki. Doc Q is probably around Chopper's level? So it's normal that Law, being one of the strongest character in the series, can cancel his ability with Haki. Instead the gap between Blackbeard and Hancock is not that big, so they can't cancel each other's ability.
Well because once ur turned to stone you can’t think. Time freezes so you can’t do what law did. Second you have to have a strong enough will to resist her lust so maybe bb knew he couldn’t resist her lust
@@travisealy3512 theres no proof you cant think when you are stone. And by that same logic then perona works against anyone not already super negative like usopp because they cant control their thoughts to think to break it. So people like mihawk couldnt counter peronas fruit? Also for your second point resisting her beauty is the requirement for the fruit to not work in the first place not to break it once it takes effect. Two diff things. And weve seen her turn a pacifista to stone so even that is shakey because pacifista dont have emotions
Part of the blame does lie on Oda. Yes he shouldn’t always have to signify when people are using Haki but since it’s a power that some have and some don’t… there’s no way to know for sure. He depicts it clearly in some scenes and doesn’t in others. Whereas a system like ki or chakra or reiatsu is always active. Normal humans just have it at a very low level that it’s not visible or it’s effects not obvious. But it’s always on. It’s life force. Whereas Haki is willpower….on a bad day you might not have it. If you have no motivation or a weakened resolve. It’s a complex system but thus it needs proper depiction.
tbh, Kishimoto has to exposition dump alot to explain chakra especially when you watch some of his fights and alot of the battle is other characters expositing. Ki has also been inconsistent or unexplained. You can get alot of unexplained powers that are barely explained. Goku in Namek Saga being able to read Gohan's mind and that never being relevant again or in Super when Goku gets off hit by a random laser.
. I firmly believe that in marineford when luffy envisioned mihawk slicing his arms off that wasn’t observation haki but just common sense. Like how sometimes a character can feel someone’s bloodlust or even see their own defeat, luffy simply saw his own defeat and it wasn’t a case of future sight.
Just realized I’ve watched every vid you’ve posted for the past 6 months didn’t even realize it but your content is addictive and so well made and thought out
One thing that is true is that every advanced conqueror's attack HAS black lightning, but not everything that has black lightning is advanced conqueror's Lightning appears when there are haki clashes, but not necessarily conqueror's clashes, for example we saw Jinbe with black lightning after tanking Who's Who's armament haki attacks in chapter 1018
7:32 the first picture was on the brief period in post time skip were haki was still invisible, a common misonception is that haki became visible post time skip immediatly while in reality it became colored after luffy recalled his training with rayleig on the second picture has a weird angle, you can easly argue that luffy was indeed coating but it was just covered by cesars body on the third picture sanjis legs are already black so its safe to assume he was indeed coating himself rayleigh himself has said that haki is invisible armor, so its safe to assume the black coating is that armor colored for only the audience
I consider armament haki as the "mastery of self" That within the confines of your own body, an armament haki user is able to define their own rules and enforce their will on their own body. So when they reinforce their body they're telling themselves "my body will not break". Similarly, when they use haki to resist enemy devil fruit users they're saying "Your devil fruit will have no effect in the space that my body occupies". So when they, for example, punch a logia user, their body is occupying the space that the logia user would normally phase through, and becomes the wall that prevents the phasing from happening. This also means that when swordsmen coat their blades in haki, this is an extension of the philosophy of their swords being an extension of their own body. As a side note, I theorise that conqueror's haki differs from armament haki in that its instead the ability to enforce your rules on the area outside of your own body. THAT is what makes it worthy of the title of conqueror
I think people gotta stop expecting 100% story consistency when it comes to haki in general. It's a power built on the emotional concept of willpower. Channeling one's willpower is something that requires one to have personal reasons to be fighting. If there's any major doubt or anything that can disrupt the access you have to your willpower, you're not even accessing the haki playbook. Jinbe exerting his willpower to resist Big Mom's DF ability at the wedding is Jinbe showing the fortitude of his willpower.. or in narrative terms, having no fear. Zoro accessing strengths beyond his understanding just shows the strength of his will + drive versus that of his opponents. Luffy winning against Katakuri wasn't a 'technical' defeat, but his willpower was what finally tipped the scale at the end. I would even argue that in that moment with the scabbards vs kaido, they came closer to harnessing 'Oden's Will' than any of them would have on their own. I think the public conception of "only one in a million have conqueror's haki" is just a response to the fact that it *can* come from anyone, but only one in a million have recognized the capability + have the personal drive to be able to actually channel it. I think we gotta be flexible w the idea that even someone who can't readily access and utilize conqueror's haki can channel it in extreme circumstances where your will, the core of your being, is put to the test. Now here's a spicy angle as a bonus... obviously Luffy fought well against Kaido, but Luffy's victory speaks to Luffy's will as much as it does to Kaido's to "go out in a bang". Kaido, by getting defeated in Wano was able to exert his will in the end. Was that Kaido's true will? Or was this his surrogate will after having his motivations wilted by his false victory against Oden? Food for thought lol
I still think Asura isn’t haki. Asura imo seems to be more so related to Zoro’s animal/demonic like spirit. It’s the same way he is able to use the spirit of animals to change the properties of his attacks, like how he was able to make his slashes combust against Ryuuma by using the spirit of a dragon. It is my personal belief that Asura is the full power of this spirit. Haki is also called “spirit” by some people, but I think it is more accurate to say it is “the ability to not doubt”. Rayleigh uses this exact phrasing. When Zoro “gave it his all” against Kaido, he both manifested Asura, and infused his attack with conquerors haki, unknowingly. The two abilities are most likely related in the same way that Sanji’s emotions are tied to his haki as well. Sanji’s emotions let him use diable jambe, but they also greatly increase his observation haki. They are both separate factors that grant them unique abilities whilst also affecting their haki.
@@TM-NTM it’s a comparison. Zoro has his unique spirit, Sanji has his emotions. Both of these are unique abilities for Zoro and Sanji respectively, but they also affect their haki (for Zoro it granted him conquerors infusion, and for Sanji it vastly improves his observation haki).
@@blitzes3177 You can go further like Morj said Fujitora probably uses observation almost all the time, but I'd argue he has at least some level of near-passive Observation Haki in the sense that he drains so little that he recovers enough back to maybe enhance his other senses to get some understanding of the surroundings. Sanji specifically can hear the cries of women (lol). Zoro does have a sort of demon or beast like spirit, which fits his complete 'dream or death' mentality, he puts everything on the line like wild beasts do in the wild, except he focuses it towards a more specific goal and can even recognize Luffy's dream to be as important. Enel enhanced his observation with his logia fruit, and Shanks seems to take advanced conqueror's a step further so all in all yes Haki should be influenced by the person, like Rayleigh said maybe aside from 'advanced' abilities there are also unique variations or techniques based on one's application of Haki abilities.
I agree that zoro asura is tied to haki because he can only use it in dire situation where he is near death similar to how he awakened ryuo. However I think diable jambe is not tied to haki as we see it as a regular technique that he uses similar to gear 2nd pre ts it was never something that he didn't understand fully.
@@TyRendition the film Strong World has Zoro use Asura when not on the brink of death. I know it’s status as canon is debatable, but it was written by Oda meaning he green lit Zoro using Asura without being on the brink of death.
I love the way this was explained. I love it when people provide evidence to their claims. And this is what I’ve thought about haki all this time. Great video, you should really make more like this rather than the speculative nonsense that everyone is making nowadays.
I think observation is just the most used form of haki because when you’re a strong combatant in a dangerous world it’s good to have it on as much as possible , if a pirate or marine is at home or just strolling it’ll probably be off but if danger may even be remotely close it’ll be on
I am pretty sure Oda has already addressed the black armament haki. I feel like I remember hearing about or seeing an article where Oda states the Black armament haki is just to make it absolutely clear when haki is being used. As for the times it's not shown as black I imagine all the ink needed to do that would be insane.
9:32 my explations here are 1- after you are a toy, you cannot use haki because you would have to get out of Sugar's control for that. 2- Sugar could cancel out Bonney power, but he either don't know (Law learned that because it was countering him, luffy could just not have learned) or what I think it's more probable, he didn't used because he was not being threatened, he understood Bonney side and was just talking with her.
I'm pretty sure Oda clarified in an SBS that the black coating that illustrates haki is only for the reader, and that haki is an unseen force all the time in universe.
In the anime the coating is sometimes called armament hardening. I took that as a way of saying hardening was an armament technique that gave them the coating.
I've always believed that haki users were "layering" their armament haki over themselves like a tint almost, so the reason that sometimes you can see the black coating while others you can't is because they are simply adding more layers to the point where its visible. If you look at people like vergo and pica, when they coated their entire bodies with armament their haki is given an almost purple hue to it instead of the standard black, leading one to believe that their haki "layers" were stretched thinner and therefore less potent.
It’s just more badass when you use such high levels, and of course using it everywhere on you isn’t a good idea, in my opinion it’s best to use it on your arms, and legs for attacking, and torso, and neck for defending.
I swear if it wasn’t for Morj the One Piece community would be too far up its own ass in headcanon. The man just speaks common sense and then backs it up with receipts you’ve gotta love it.
I couldn’t have analyzed it better myself. I have a few things to add/expand on. I agree with the reasoning about DFs affecting environment vs individuals. However there’s one more likely factor. Awakening. Bonnet’s power is to age/de-age someone but she can affect OTHERS, shes 100% awakened in my opinion. (The same way Brook is awakened, his DF is to revive HIM but he “revived” the souls inside the homies, that’s how he beat them, by reviving them) At the same time, I’d argue Xinjiao couldn’t break out of Sugar’s fruit because he was injured/unconscious, and it’s likely that he wouldn’t be able to once he was under the effects after a certain amount of time, Law’s case seems to have been really short. On a similar note, the target also needs to be caught off guard or willing to be affected: Law was able to swap Doffy and Sanji The kids in Punk Hazard let them (not to mention they obviously have no Haki) The colour, visible or not should have been obvious, ever since Oda introduced Haki he mentioned that it has ALWAYS existed in-universe and it’s something people can feel, similar to DBZ. Sentomaru felt the no after trip had it in the Return to Sabaody Arc, which means pre-timeskip all the Logia users can feel whether enemies have it or not and if they send the enemy use Haki then they’ll use Observation Haki to dematerialize before impact, just like Katakuri. On a similar related note, while obviously not the same, In-Universe I am convinced that ROKUSHIKI IS HAKI: - Tekkai and Shigan is LITERALLY using Armament Haki in a specific body part - Kami-E is literally Observation Haki -Rokuougan is literally internal distraction Amrmament Haki Now to counter argue people who will “oh it’s physical training. CP9 did master it through training but have you forgotten that Luffy did the exact same thing? You can unlock it through training OR Traumatic event (Coby in Marineford) It’s not impossible that within the Marines they call that particular set of moves “Rokushiki” instead of “oh this is finger Haki”, just like in other shows, Goku’s trademark move is the “Kamehameha”, not the “blue energy beam”. Moves can be the same but have different names: Luffy’s Gear 2nd is literally Soru from Rokushiki, Sanji’s Blue/Sky Walk, Kuro’s Catwalk It’s simply “moving fast” but with a different name. Another proof: Katakuri told Luffy that he could hurt him because his Armament was stronger which means there are levels Jinbei was able to beat Who’s Who because Jinbei’s Armament was Stronger than Who’s Who’s “Finger Armament” aka Shigan Lastly I think it was Sawyer who did a nice breakdown of the Armament Level a while back Level 1 black coating Level 2 invisible armour Level 3 internal destruction
@@TyRendition I would say rankyaku maybe, but my point is that Rokushiki is a SET OF TECHNIQUES and not all are Haki To make it easier to illustrate, imagine Karate is “Rokushiki”, but karate does not have throws, or fencing using savers but not knives The “logic” of Rokushiki PROOR to the full introduction to Haki is that they trained their bodies to the peak of human physique (which still isn’t the case because look at that disgusting zipper mouth) but after the introduction of Haki that simply doesn’t make sense anymore Rankyaku is supposed to be a kick so strong that the kick throws a gust of wind or something, but they kick it really slow That energy blast is similar to Zoro’s Pound Cannon so my analysis is that they are all subconsciously imbuing Haki in the air current (made swords cuts, kicks, etc)
I wish morj talked about the difference between conquerors infusion and conquerors coating, because I always see people in zoro polls saying how zoro is using conquerors coating when it's clearly not the case. Coating is having conquerors haki on the outside of something while infusion is on the inside. Coating is used in strong haki clashes whilst infusion is used to deal more internal damage and is commonly used with swords.
yes for sugars ability one could cancel out her power with haki, but you cant forget that she can also give you orders to not harm her or do something like use haki.
Maybe Sugar ability affect "environment", that is reality or the world itself. That may explain why it made other people forget their existence so Sugar doesn't affect the user directly, but the world as it is. And when she fell asleep, it reset her power to the world like a switch
@14:20 THANK YOU that was the one time where I was actually fed up with OP fans debating that, like why would Oda EVEN write that dialogue if Zoro didn’t have CH
I'm pretty sure oda wrote that dialogue to show that zoro had CH but wasn't quite at the stage to be able to use it properly... Both what Kiado said and how zoro responded is very similar to Ivan and Luffy at MF
I think the panel you featured at the beginning of the video of black lighting appearing when the scabbards cut Kaido is a bad example for the point you're trying that they're not using Conquerer's Haki. My understanding of that panel in the broader context of that fight is that the cross-shaped scar the scabbards are cutting was left there by Oden using advanced Conquerer's Haki and a trace of that Haki still lingered in that scar 20 years later. When the scabbards attacked together, their strong emotional connection to Oden caused their attacks to resonate with that lingering Haki and thus triggered a Conquerer's Haki black lighting effect. But that's just my opinion. 🤷🏻🍿
Another thing people forget about is that we also have story confirmation that armament haki gets used unknowingly as well. In impel down, luffy punches blackbeard, and blackbeard says "your haki has gotten stronger!" We don't even know about different kinds of haki at this point in the story, but oda is clearly indicating here that luffy has naturally developed some of this "haki" that makes his punches stronger.
The only thing i believe we can safely assume with haki is the sky splitting phenomenon between fighters. As far as im aware, that only happens between conquerors. Luffy kaido, shanks whitebeard, big mom kaido, etc
Asura involving Conqueror's Haki kind of makes sense. Since we know it's a form of Haki that a lot of people witnessing it can feel even if it doesn't directly effect them. Because we saw how much it unnerved Kaku when Zoro used Asura way back at Enies Lobby. He could feel something was wrong but he just thought it was some kind of illusion.
Good stuff Morj. Keep it up. One thing to add. The mechanics behind aCoA and aCoC are basically the same. That's why Luffy and Zoro were able to pick up on it so easily. When Zoro used ashura he put it all on the line and it just makes sense that some of his conc would also get infused into that attack.
I mean you say observation haki isn't a passive thing but Koby disproves that because he couldn't turn off his observation haki, hearing thousands of people all at once, where I do believe the person said he'd grow used to it. Which gave me the impression that observation haki is just a constant thing.
I find it highly likely that oda may have flubbed a few interactions when it comes to the black lightning. Especially since that concept was not explored until Wano. Burgess and Sabo may have been among a short list of exceptions. As When Doffy and Luffy clashed, the black lightning circled the whole arena. So maybe even, black lightning or sparks is just a showing of high levels of Haki. Whereas it's always been clear when two Conquerors are going at it. As the abundance of lightning is always in huge quantities.
Drillhead was turned into a toy right after clashing with Luffy, so its understandable that as a old man past his prime he couldn't use his haki against a hax fruit like that.
I think big and kaido specifically just always have Hali “Activated” Maybe not purposely either . Most characters would have purposely push out Hali to affect the devil fruit or cancel it out.
Great vid Morj, though the thing that I disagree with is the notion that Conquerers coating isn’t the only way to do last damage to Kaido. Law Gamma knife was working he just needed to continue hit Kaido repeatedly to get more substantial damage. And if Zoro had Landed his “Dragon Blaze” with just the amount of Ryou he was use, both Kaido & big mom knew it was lethal damage. Conquerors coating is like using an Armor Piercing ammo, but using Ryou the way Zoro was going to use is like using a cannon ball. The Armor Piercing ammo is more advanced then the Cannon ball, but there’s no denying that the more amount of Metal(Haki) the more damage.
Personal headcanon - When comparing Sugar, Boa, Doc Q, and Laws DFs (in that Law could reverse the effect with Haki, while seemingly nobody could do that with Sugar): - Sugar's DF is likely similar to Hancock's - the effect is sustained independently of the DF user's will (neither have to strain themselves to keep their victims as stone/toys). Hancock doesn't have to actively maintain the activation to keep her targets petrified - she could even die and the effect would still remain in place. This could be a type of effect where even Haki can't bail you out. So the question would be if Doc Q's ability requires continued activation to maintain, or if his diseases remain in effect independently - Sugar and Hancock are also similar in that their DFs explicitly nullify will (one through petrification, the other through the forced contract formed between user and target by the DF). Perhaps select abilities that take away will (or actively limit it) could also nullify Haki by extension. - Unless there was some kind of instant kill disease, Doc Q effects take time to kick in, while Sugar and Boa can hit instantly. Even if the fruit can be resisted with Haki, this could very well be subject to reaction speed (as we have established that Haki has to be consciously activated - that implies that a fast acting DF user, can out-pace someone who could otherwise mount a Haki-based Defense) - We typically see Boa and Sugar use their respective DF effects against mostly scrubs tbh. In saying that, Boa can still cut down on enemy numbers with her petrification and beat the rest with her sheer strength. I don't think we saw Sugar use her power on a Admiral/Commander level opponent, but since she has the backing of very powerful officers and Doffy himself, it'a possible that the Donquioxte Pirates simply kill the targets too strong for Sugar's ability - or beat them down til they are vulnerable to Sugar - In other words, maybe Sugar and Boa can have their powers reversed by Haki, but we never see it since they can both resort to brute force/call in stronger backup on the few occasions where Haki Differential becomes relevant (thus boosting the perceived success rate for those abilities). - Comparing Law - his Room does require explicit activation, drains stamina to sustain. Using a Room ability requires time to set up, and works within a set radius. It doesn't affect will from what we have seen. Law also regularly engages with powerful enemies more regularly, which means he more consistently clashes people with the Haki to defend against him. Simply, Law's DF is more vulnerable to Haki than the Sugar's and Hancock's of the story - Doc Q might be an oversight, but that depends on if his diseases require conscious activation to sustain, or if they exist independently of Doc Q post-creation - if the former then Doc Q's abilities being countered with Haki would fit the headcanon
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Have you lost subscribers Morj? I might be mistaken, but didn't you use to have about 300k ?
Then what about whitebeard snd big mom they use observation haki even in their sleep.
@@ayush885 i guess people got tire of his "L" takes and attitude towards "fans" like i did..
@@FeliX-TobiYahs-C Does this mean that he has actually lost Subs?
@@ayush885 He never had 300k he only broke 100k like last year his subscriber count has always been increasing
It's pretty insane to believe that so many thought that there was just no haki pre timeskip because there were no colors 💀
It's very obvious that Oda wasn't 100% sure what Haki would be before the time skip (he only teased it briefly and had a vague idea) what reasoning would he have to not show black arms? watching rayleigh vs kizaru now makes no sense because it just looks like he could magically touch him
He made the logia users too broken so he had to figure something out
I want to see Luffy VS Enel reimagined with modern Haki effects. Dragon Ball auras and glowing eyes and everything. I think that would be funny.
i mean that there would be problems with fighting logia users should have been clear the second he put them in, so he should at least have an idea about it at that point
maybe he wanted to keep it more mysterious/ not put in spoilers? idk
The fact Blackbeard said Luffy's Haki IMPROVED in Impel Down means at least since Crocodile, Luffy displayed a certain level of Haki even if it was infant stages and wasn't explicitly shown
Yup. The zoro thing back in alabasta kinda proves that in intense situations people can awaken haki temporarily. I wouldn’t be surprised if several straw hats used haki pre timeskip. Especially usopp
Me and my friends mentions this for years.
I think that overall haki levels are a mirror to a person’s growth weather it’s physical strength or character growth from the many trials they went through so BB’s statement doesn’t mean that Luffy was using haki but it was alluding to his innate haki. Alas I believe that all OP characters even fodders and regular citizens are using haki but to a very very low degree
@@osamaabdelmajed7353 passive use vs consciously aware use
Wouldn't be surprised if luffy use haki to break crocodile from underground all the way to the sky. Since haki simply means willpower
It blows my mind how some people weirdly believe that Observation Haki, especially future sight is passive yet Katakuri *explicitly* states that in order for him to use it, *he needs to focus* otherwise it won't work
Educational institution failed a lot of kids
@@tpsam for real
Yea a lot of people forget that, literally one of the reason luffy hurt katakuri before learning future sight
Sounds like a dumb limit tbh
@@BlackangelKatakuri no ur literally just not using ur brain, imagine how broken it is to use haki without it using up ur stamina, haki uses up stamina it isn't passive therefore people wouldn't have it on all the time, unless they believe they need it
I always believed that Armament Haki works literally how Rayleigh explains it. The user covers themselves in Armament Haki from head to toe thus enhancing their physical capabilities. This doesn't take up much stamina because the coating is of a lower concentration. Whenever the black coating effect occurs, it's simply increasing the concentration of Haki. The whole invisible Armament would be similar to Ten from Hunter x Hunter. Examples for Invisible Armament was when Zoro took an explosion from King and said that he was glad that he used Haki or when Apoo was stabbed in the neck but Armament Haki was used to prevent it from being fatal.
Make sense
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@@UnexpectedWonder Just peeping what’s going on
that does go along with Kaido and Big Mom's invincibility when it comes to any attack weaker than that of a Commander.
Exactly this lines up with zoro turning his swords into black blades even though we know he uses haki against his enemies in the post timeskip i.e vs the pacifistas without the black coating, black coating is just a more concentrated version. Also this lines up with g4 as it is a form that uses excessive haki as it black coats nearly all of luffy body which even supports law new ability to negate some df techniques as g4 was able to negate doflamingos strings. The regular armament haki might've been that aura he displayed when teaching luffy armament for the first time. We also see more examples like when g5 luffy punches kaido head and there no visible black coating but it is confirmed to be armament, while there another example of g5 blocking kaido attack and there is black coating making me assume that black coating indeed is just a more concentrated armament haki.
Shanks also mentioned that he had to look like a threat when coming on board an enemy’s ship when Marco told him he made a mess which clearly implies Shank was turning on his Conqueror’s Haki just before going on board.
Bro Shanks, is such a menace, but admittedly Whitebeard, isn’t one to be scared by a mere none Haki emitting shanks, plus Blackbeard, was still able to scar him so some people clearly don’t fear him.
@@joshshrum2764 Considering the characteristics of Shanks and Blackbeard, it is highly probable that Shanks want to have a friendly spar but instead caught off guard by BB.
Morj’s hairline is being maintained by Armament Haki.
Oda confirmed it himself.
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@@gameboysadvanced6221 Source? My source is that I made it the fuck up.
One thing I didn’t remember till now is that even Katakuri was caught off guard, which lends credence to the idea that you have to be actively using it. otherwise he would’ve stopped eating during his tea break the moment Luffy started approaching the house to destroy it.
Yeah and then he lost his focus that lead to him being hit
Well in that case everyone believes the cause of that is that Katakuri always closes his eyes when enjoying Donuts 😂
@@GuysCupank lmao I guess they believe that you can only see the future with your eyes open? Which sounds like a weird motivational quote you see in a guidance counselor’s office?
@@jonathanvincy no, it just signals that he's utterly focused on the experience of doze nuts
Great example!
THANK YOU!! I was really annoyed with the people who talked like Observation Haki was some passive ability. It's been proven wrong all the time, and we even got Kaido using it only for a split second. People take Katakuri as a standard Observation Haki user, but his whole character was that he NEVER let his guard down. He is the only guy who turns it on as much as possible.
Yeah it’s not the Spider sense
Exactly observation always been more of a detective vision where it has to be manually turned on. It takes effort to use these abilities while for a spider sense it happens passively for spiderman.
But like, is it really not passive though, even for top guys? Because let's say, Shanks for example (I choose him because he's a chill yonko with no devil fruit), is taking a stroll on some new world island and his haki is turned off, couldn't some fodder just sneak assassinate him and collect 4 billion berries? I really feel like top pirates would have to have observation constantly turned on to survive.
@@jmw9173 that's why they have their own territories and have alot of crewmates? Zoro is awake at night to guard his crewmates and Luffy can sleep soundly with Sanji carrying him
@@jmw9173 your argument isn’t Invalid, because in theory that makes sense.
But that’s not what the evidence from the panels we’ve seen show.
Haki can nullify devil fruit ❌
Haki can resist devil fruit ✅
I think that's a better way to phrase it. It prevents any affect that targets you directly. The only inconsistency regarding this that I can think of is that Don Chinjao should've been able to free himself from Sugar's power, though maybe he wasn't aware of that.
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I think you need 1st commander+ /Yonko level Haki to get out of it.
Like, resisting devil fruit is like an advanced form of haki in and of itself.
The problem is that Law shouldn't have been able to just cancel a somewhat only half hax attack.
Like, Don chinjao probably didn't have strong enough Haki and skillfull enough technique to do it.
But, should Luffy learn about this, He should be able to counter Sugars Df should they meet again in the final war
The weird thing is, I thought this was inferred before it was outright talked about. Glad we got confirmation but I'm surprised people needed it spelled out. Things like Laws room was already resisted or things he couldn't move as easily, haki and his out stamina being the reasons.
only some df can be nullified by haki
like only broken df
@@shyguypro9876 was he aware that he can break it with haki?
and on top of that, she made a contract with him.........that's why other toys were not even able to refuse her orders except "soldier-san" who got away before she tried to make a contract
so I think once she made a contract with you, no matter what you can't break her ability
My headcanon for armament is this: it works a lot like Nen from Hunter X Hunter. You can spread it throughout your entire body (similar to Ten) and get the benefits of being able to strike at the true form of Devil Fruit users (bypassing defenses from Logia types, or those like Luffy). Alternatively, you can focus it on a specific body part (similar to Ken), strengthening that body part to a high degree, and turning it black.
I just said the exact same thing on my comment. This makes the most sense since it keeps in line with invisible armor.
Agreed that why I think g4 uses excessive haki focused on his upper body and it displayed as black coating because oda wants people to recognize that luffy using a lot of haki in this form. Same when we see zoro using black coating on his swords as it showed to showcase that zoro is now using more haki on his swords than usual.
@@udonnauchegbu2018 lol it’s possible he thought the same thing or stole it but either way y’all made valid point.
I like it but how does the full body work that for example Vergo showcased? He can't really focus on every part now, can he? Pica did it too and his Haki was clearly not that great.
@@floriandolder8111 I'd assume doing that does means that they are well protected but probably wastes stamina and Haki like Gear 4th would.
I’ve interpreted the “Haki canceling devil fruit abilities”, as requiring a certain threshold of power to use, as opposed to just having more Haki than your opponent.
That is, if a devil fruit user has a Haki amount of 1, and he uses his ability on someone with a Haki of 10, the latter couldn’t cancel it because they need to have a Haki of 100 to cancel the ability.
This would explain why someone like Chinjao and Sai couldn’t undo being turned into toys by Sugar, but stronger characters like Law, Kaido and Big Mom can undo abilities.
Yea this would line up with how sugar was able to turn luffy and law into toys so usopp had to stop her but after the yonko battle law haki learns from the fight and prob got a haki bloom leading him to use excessive haki.
Maybe it's not based on the haki of the user but the strength of will of the fruit itself. That's why awakening can still damage them cause the awakened fruit also has enhanced will
Law only became aware of the possibility to counter-act DF using a great deal of Haki during his fight with the Yonko, as he stated in 1063. So it would make sense most aren't really aware of it or outright incapable of countering DF because they don't possess enough Haki to reverse the effect(which might be more difficult than outright negating it, but this is pure headcanon).
No ur right. Law states twice that it’s take an OVERWHELMING amount of Haki to negate DF abilities. Obviously BM and Kiado had tht and now he does too after fighting the yonko. Luffy and Kid can prob do the same thing but they haven’t fought someone with a DF ability that affects their bodies yet to figure it out like law did with Doc Q.
Or because most of other people don't have Cheat Power that always works before fighting Yonkou 😂
Yea so it much more of a technique of using excessive haki than just having haki alone.
Their number isn't big enough. What a great power system.
Emotional state affects observation haki usage. It's abundantly clear during Luffy's fight with Katakuri. Good video.
The meme mash up lord is spitting one piece facts lol, but conquerors is definitely amplified by anger like with shanks, and greenbull.
About the black lightning, since WCI I’ve always assumed that they are meant to represent a very high haki output, regardless of type. Three scenes I always remember are: Big mom destroying the KX launcher with conquerors, showing that it doesn’t have to be a clash between two characters of any sort, let alone a clash between conquerors users, Katakuri using edge mochi (a mochi mochi no mi + armament technique) to kill the chefs that saw him eating, showing that it has nothing to do with conquerors (unless you want to assume that that’s somehow some proto version of conquerors coating which I think we can all agree is ridiculous), and Sanji kicking Oven in the neck to save Chiffon (yes, the black sparks are small but they are there, and in multiple panels) which of course is even more evidence that it’s not representing conquerors nor a clash between conquerors necessarily.
No they it's conq haki. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He probably only read the manga and miss out on tons of connonical stuff
Some additional points:
- Sanji and Jinbe have used “black lightning”. Neither of them use CoC
- The red scabbards and Zoro consistently attacked Kaido without Black coating on their swords (some of the scabbards even CUT Kaido)
Yeah, but it still didn’t really effect him, and obviously that means it’s armament.
In the case of people who became toys, they probably can't even activate their Haki in that form, just like someone petrified by Hancock can't activate Haki.
imagine if Oda introduces a character named Morj and makes him comment that he's surprised the raid didn't fail
Morj would be beyond flattered
Haki is so impressive as a result of the slow-burn narrative. It's perfect for the setting to tie the theming together, as well as explain how people without devil fruits are capable of being as strong as they are... and how logias do not dominate the entire setting.
It all just simply makes sense, and complements the progression of the long-term story. Physical power is achieved with character development and strength of ambition. Again, it's perfect.
You wanna know what's absolutely insane? Hiriluk's explaination of what's later revealed to be haki is 100% accurate, yet explained in such a way so as to allow it to not be limited to merely what he explains in that arc. And of course it's remained consistent with what he's described as far, far back as Drum Island. It's so... One Piece. Just fantastic stuff all-round.
“A pirate? Pirates are great men of the sea. They have a body as hard like stone (armament), eyes of an eagle (observation), and a voice that tears the sky asunder (conquerors)."
I think Haki is just resistive towards Devil Fruit abilities. Like you can resist an ability before/while it's being used on you but you can't do anything AFTER the ability takes effect. For example, a lot of debate was stirred up about countering Ivankov's devil fruit and turn back after Ivankov changes your gender. To my understanding, you can counter that ability while Ivankov injects you and resist it but haki is ineffective after your gender was already switched. Now then how did Law change back after he was already turned? It was described in the chapter that it was a disease and Law turning back probably had to do with either him being a doctor or the fact that diseases can be cured, unlike Ivankov's ability, which literally alters your DNA. That's not a disease per se. To counter Bonnie's ability you probably have to know about it and use haki before she uses it on you. But for Big Mom and Kaido, their haki is already way too high to begin with so you cant do anything to them and Law is especially unlucky in this area. His room affects the surroundings and the things within his room so he cant get people with higher haki into it but however, Kidd was able to turn BigMom into a magnet just fine, I think that's because abilities like Kidd's, Sugar's and Bonnie's directly affects the target and you need to have active haki to counter them.
Headass headcanon take.
This comment make no sense a little bit, what you're mentioning is basically what happen to Law (except Ivan didn't do it). If you're talking about hormone affecting someone's gender, that HORMONE comes from IVAN DF (It's literally called HORMONE HORMONE fruit), so it's literally can still be affected by Haki.
There's one example that might be close to what you're looking for : Gamma's Knife, this ability destroy your body from the inside, what Haki does in this instance is stopping the destruction of internal organ, but it can't stop the bleeding caused by Gamma's Knife.
So yeah basically what you probably wanna say is : Haki *_stop_* DF's effects but it *_can't reverse the damages_* done by DF
My interpretation of black coating is that it is the character using more excessive armament similar to how g4 is luffy using almost all of his armament to coat himself. Armament haki can be used without the coating visual as we see multiple times but black armament is to display that the character is using a more excessive version. Which is why when zoro coats his sword it displayed as a powerup even though we know he uses haki all the time. It also lines up how g4 excessive haki can break doflamingo's strings.
I dont understand why everyobdy is making such theories about that, since minute one I understood it was just a visual representation so we can know when is the character using armament haki...Like the powers of kimetsu or any other anime with simialr power systems...
Look at Caesars "Gastanets" attack in chapter 671, it produces black lightning both times, so the black lightning isn't even limited to haki
zoro uses his asura moves pre-timeskip, so i think the ability itself isnt particularly linked to conquerors haki (or any haki for that matter), but i think when he damaged kaido he did utilize it
Yeah, but similar to the observation moment he has for a split second i think he got a burst of conquerors Haki, and you didn’t say advanced so it could just be normal conquerors everytime, and due to the strain of using it his body produces a conquerors coding so it doesn’t completely fry him when using it.
I'm always surprised by how few people failed to see just how ENORMOUS learning about haki was. By the time it's revealed and talked about it's been shown dozens of times and the audience never knew what they were seeing. So many things that were likely blown off as plot armor or random coincidence were all people using haki often without knowing anything about it or only one side knew but not the other.
It's also wotth reminding that haki blooms in extreme situations. We've only ever seen Zoro use Ashura in dire situations. Meaning its 100% possible that its advanced conquerers.
it the only reason to explain why zoro doesn't use asura like luffy uses gear 2nd or sanji uses diable jambe.
Well wouldn't that mean he used advanced coq since enies lobby,I just think ashura is zoros final attack. Zoro can finally utilise advanced coq willingly so ashura+ advanced coq coating would be busted. If he's able to train ashura to the point he can use it like luffy gear 2. Zoro would be so strong he could easily be comparable to luffy
The ultimate result always depends on Haki, more precisely conquers Haki. Said Haki can't be trained, it is basacly the manifestation of your qualities as a conquer. That also means that those who have it tend to be in leading positions, due to their nature, meaning that they will refuse or will be unable to work under someone, unless the leader/captain is a greater conquer, leading to a stronger Haki. It's not a coincidence that the few subordinates with conquers Haki we know, so far, were all under absolute monsters (Roger, WB, Kaido, Big Mom, Luffy Xebec and Shanks probably here too). That's why, every time characters mentioned that Zoro was strong enough to be respectable captain, they always end up wondering just how much of a monster Luffy is. He will never be on the same level, at least not in One Piece
@@Blaze-hq4ox He's been using ryuo since Alabasta & advanced COC since EL. It's just he wasn't strong enough to make both as effective as he can now plus he wasn't aware of haki like he is now. Haki takes years to master so it makes sense why it was so small scale. Even Luffy was using haki in spurts. Possibly the only way they were able to go beyond. I think Asura theoretically should be gone because being able to use ACOC consciously should do away with all that forced aura etc but Oda will find a way to have it be a move among many new advanced CoC attacks.
@@Blaze-hq4ox zoro has had all 3 haki by water 7 arc. During end of alabasta he mentions that he needs to bring the mysterious power again. Then later by end of skypiea, the scene where usopp scammed skypieans for some dials, we see zoro cutting a rock without blade contact, showing he was now capable of bringing it out. In water seven he sensed that chopper had his sword to chopper's surprise. Kaku also mentions zoro having a mysterious power. In ennies lobby did you notice that kaku never used tekkai to defend against zoro, almost as if it wouldnt have worked. 😅 Theres also a scene where zoro tried to cut the tunnel, and when he failed, he summized that there was another material behind the wall, an odd statement to say. And of course conquerors haki when he used ashura
Asura in itself IS conquerors haki, it is implied in One Piece Yellow : Grand Elements (ワンピース イエロー グランド エレメンツ) a pre TS databook. That's why Kaido felt it when Zoro used it, but he did not use the advanced version until chapter 1033 because he wasn't using Enma correctly which prevented him from releasing all his haki (conquerors included). That's why the black lightnings only appear starting from chapter 1033 for Zoro
What did the book say about ashura please
@@Chuck_Brownn It said Asura is Zoro's spirit. And if you remember Rayleigh told Luffy conquerors haki is the embodiment of the user's spirit
@@Zoro-go1mc oooh yeah I know about that, Kaku said it as well. I’ve always felt that zoro is able to create ashura using his conquerors haki. Morj is very wrong because even oden isn’t stated to possess conquerors coating, it’s clear he scarred kaido with ryuo which is the exact same for zoro.
@@Chuck_Brownn Nah pal Oden is a confirmed conquerors haki user, he almost killed Kaido landing one attack only lol, Oden is much stronger than the Zoro who was on the roof, the scar he made to Kaido doesn't compare to what Oden did. Current Zoro vs Oden is a close match up though
@@Zoro-go1mc yeah you’re right, oden had conquerors coating because the scar he gave kaido is much bigger than what zoro gave him. It’s crazy how zoro is the only one capable to doing the most significant damage to kaido before his powerup, it’s sad the community looks down on him.
My theory on sugars fruit for example, would be that you would have to know what is about to happen to block it, and since you never remember the people before they become toys it could be hard. And once you become a toy, technically you're no longer a human so you probably don't have haki
@@estebanbr7596 well the fruit turns the user into a kid, she was grown when she ate it, but yes that does have that effect
@@AiidynFire wait what i was pretty sure the fruit gave eternal young. Not that it turns you to a kid
@@estebanbr7596 nvm, I had understood it as such but I just looked it up in the wiki you are right it grants eternal youth
I have made these Arguments for years. It's the same as the Martial Arts and with Martial Artists, Fighters, and other people proficient in Skills. Haki deals with the Soul, Willpower, and more.
Lol we done had like 100s of talks on this in comments and in streams.
I’ve always read/understood the story through the eyes of the protagonist(s) where if they didn’t understand the power oda wasn’t going to really illustrate it to its full potential as you see pre time skip a bunch of evidence of haki (maybe even oda didn’t really know how he wanted to flesh out haki at the time), but the whole power system of haki as flawed/subjective as it may be really gives oda freedom in his story to do many different things and honestly keep characters relevant no matter what their power is or lack of special ability. When you have such a structured power system I think it’s hard to keep many characters in the thick of things (ie naruto/sasuke, goku /vegeta). So I’ve always saw the haki system as more of a writing aide than just a pure power system
The Anime mainly makes it look more flashy and does alot of over the top exaggerations like that Luffy and Kaido flying thing
I think Zoro's conquer haki "key" is pretty clear: when he "give" everything he has and stop "controling" he is able to infuse conquer haki. He did that for the firdt time with Asura, against Kaido in a desperate attack. And he did it again with Enma, when he "unleashed" all his haki flow and let Enma take as much as it wanted.
Before watching the video I'll point out some stuff I think people get wrong, specifically about black coating.
It's been a long time since I've re read the parts of the manga where that would be explained, but from what I remember, there's no difference between black coating and non black coating, it's just oda not being consistent. Some examples:
Kaido saying Luffy is coated in armament and conquerors in gear 5th even tho his punches aren't coated in black.
Cracker blocking a black coating gum gum pistol from Luffy without using black coating. Also Luffy pointed out how tough is armament haki was.
Sanji supposedly not having armament haki, even tho he mentions it multiple times. What happens in his case in my opinion is that giving him black coating would change almost nothing visually in his design, at least in the manga, and Oda also gave him a unique look for diable jambe since before the timeskip, one that doesn't mix well with the black coating design.
I actually really like haki and how it has slowly been explained to us, and thematically I think it's perfect, but yeah, Oda is just very inconsistent with it, specially with armament, I actually think he's made a pretty good job telling us when someone is using future sight, even if it isn't the most visually pleasing.
I think when a character is confirmed to have armament haki, like the tobi roppo or law, we're supposed to asume they're using it every time they attack. But I agree it isn't perfect, because that's not the case with defense, actually putting up your armament haki in the exact spot you'll be hit is difficult, so that isn't necessarily the case. Its actually an incredibly hard power system to be consistent with.
Now I'll watch the vid :3
I feel like the main thing that makes me think coating can't just be haki visualized is zoro using coating as a powerup to cut pica when we know he always using haki. That why I just interpreted that coating is just more armament being used similar to g4 on how he has to use more excessive haki in that form. It also lines up how g4 excessive haki can break doflamingo's strings.
@@glungusgongus he says it in chapter 1045 when they've only been fighting for a little bit and right before Luffy punches him through the face, but even if he's referring to the entire fight, Luffy didn't show black coating a single time in gear 5th up to that point, and if I remember correctly, he only shows it when he uses bajrang gun, so the point still remains, he's clearly using top tier haki but it isn't shown with black coating.
I'd like to add one more:
Everyone seems to think that haki is a replenishable but finite resource that can be depleted if used excessively. This stems from luffy saying he can't use haki for 10 minutes after Gear 4, however, in no dialogue is it stated that Luffy runs out of haki. I have always taken this as Luffy just being physically too worn out and exhausted to use haki, since it is straining. Besides, haki has to be infinite at least in some individuals, as Big Mom and Kaido live in permanent ACoC coating.
Why would we ever assume a power system-based resource is infinite?
Doesnt Luffy outright state that Haki DOES run out during his conversation with Brulee, before he goes back for his final fight with Katakuri?
@@voxomnes9537 Why not?
@@Jb-id1bu No he just says he unable to use it for 10 minutes. I interpreted it as he uses so much that his body cant handle using more like a gun cooling down before it can shoot again.
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Do you think that conquer’s Haki can be temporary? Haki seems willpower based. The two instances Sabo and the Scabbards involve huge emotional charge behind the scenes. It makes me wonder if their emotions charged their will and manifested in that way. Temporary haki flare driven by emotion.
this exactly! i think people tend to skirt around the fact that haki is fundamentally driven by willpower, and not just some quirk you unlock
I would argue so. Theories around Usopp having/tapping into conqueror's haki in some of his fights from temporary will have some standing. He knocks out a few enemies with his fists despite being rather weak physically and it's even suspected he does not actually physically collide with them. I believe conqueror's haki is the expression of the voice of all things, the trust that other people place in a person. The more one inspires others, the stronger their conqueror's haki becomes. That's my headcannon
A lot of people seem to think conquerors is genetic or fate based but I think anyone can potentially unlock it it just takes a life most people can't/won't live
According to Ray, coc is not Inherently possible with everyone unlike coa and coo. I'd trust statements from old legends like Ray who has mastered haki in all forms.
@@glungusgongus Is that really the message Oda would send? Does OP seem like a story about having to be born with certain capabilities to be able to accomplish your dreams, or is it about having the willpower to dream and chase that dream? I don’t see why one has to be born with it, will power isn’t predetermined imo
Pretty spot on made me think in certain instances. Like I don’t think Luffy knows you can overcome non Logia DFs. I think law is just a different level of intelligent likely seeing that his DF was negated in certain instances without even likely Big Mom or Kaido understanding what they were doing themselves and not many DF users like Law are top tier and smart enough to recognize what’s happening. I think he’s likely just way too smart and unlocked a new ability others will likely learn from him. Also agree fully that Asura was ACOC even Kaido acknowledged him. Same with your take on Observation being on or off based on if the user is actually using it at the time which I think gives credit to law uncovering the nature of Haki a bit more deeply allowing him to use it to overcome DFs in a more significant way.
Don't get why people would be surprised at Zoro tapping into Haki abilities pre-ts, people had to learn that shit somehow to teach it later on, and since Haki grows in battle that's obviously when it will be unlocked, like how Conqueror's showcase it without any mastery or knowledge, as is the case for Ace, Luffy, Doffy and Zoro. Usopp tapped into observation, so did Enel without knowing it was Haki specifically but known as something else, and the Kuja pirates are ALL warriors using Haki, they also had to somehow learn it so at some point the first Pirate Empress or something tapped into it unknowingly.
The question is how the fuck Buggy has yet to unlock it..
Lol agree with everything you stated because I have said it but that’s the thing I think buggy would know about it but because he doesn’t practice the usage of it he doesn’t use it. Like you stated buggy been chillen for a long time.
@@FireAngelChris Yea buggy is probably aware of it but he no interest in taking the time to learn it or been in a dangerous enough situation to him where it will be forced to awaken simliar to usopp sniping or zoro vs mr.1
@@TyRendition Yup pretty much how I look at it. I figure since he with cross guild and the story getting more intense he might be force to.
Fujitora isnt always using obs haki that's why he has that stick
Note that even Katakuri was caught off-guard DONUTS Time!! He didn't foresee Luffy interrupting his meal, or anything up to Lufffy landing some G4 blows, not until Katakuri composed himself and made a conscoiuus effort to use future sight again.
I love everything about this video.
Thanks Morj, educating the fanbase is the work of the real chads.
Guys when will we get the wano analysis ?
I thought we would get it last weekend during the break
Good question
We should get it before the new chapter because we were on a break week but maybe it had to be pushed back?
For a second, I thought Zoro was wearing Mickey Mouse ears in the thumbnail.
Conqueror haki users as always had high durability, even without advanced coating having conqueror haki allows you to endure significant pain. Katakuri, Whitebeard, Roger, Kid, Luffy, Zoro etc has shown big endurance feats which is an indication of their conqueror haki.
Rogers endurance feat?
@@_-_sinexus_-_ his illness
Oda already stated that the black coloring for armament haki is something he adds for the reader sometimes, in the manga nobody actually sees things turn black when armament haki is used
Can you tell me where you found this info?
That’s false. When Luffy uses armament hardening against the kraken for the first time, the other straw hats note how his gear 3rd fist turned black
When and where did Oda state this? I've definitely never seen this confirmation in all these years, nowhere.
@@oh-turkeybird What was the chapter?
@@udonnauchegbu2018 I'm pretty sure it was an sbs
Didn't Luffy cancel out Doffy's Parasitic Strings thingy? This ability also affects the individual directly so it makes sense it can be cancelled with Haki
I think that’s more willpower to snap them then breaking the power.
@@joshshrum2764 more like brute strength since it's just putting strings in your muscles
@@aydentew312 Ahhhh true, but Haki, can probably help you break free from the mind controlling effect, but it definitely wouldn’t work on Kaido, or anyone with Haki, and good muscles, but king rikku got affected because he isn’t really a fighter. P.S By willpower i meant having to will to keep your strength, and break free not let your muscles relax.
@@joshshrum2764 it doesn't have a mind controlling effect, they're entirely conscious about it
@@aydentew312 Yeah, but doffy, is still putting his spell on them which is so strong they don’t even know it’s effected them.
I feel the black lightning was literally just to showcase two strong Haki's clashing, I don't think it has anything to do with what type of Haki they're using. It simply shows that a clash is taking place between 2 strong wills.
Observation is probably constantly in use, it wouldnt really have much of a point if it had to be manually activated to be able to sense oncoming attack's, it was even shown white beard was using observation haki in his sleep to deal with aces assassination attempts. Or for example in fishman island when luffy noticed caribou in shirahoshis room, why would luffy just randomly turn on his observation haki just then ? It makes much more sense that observation is something that is constantly active, similar to hearing, you dont have to turn on your hearing, but you cant hear literally everything and sometimes you aren't paying attention to the things you hear. Future sight may or may not be something that has to be activate but even that may be able to be always active.
Haki stopped making sense the minute Big Mom didn’t use her conquerors coating against Kidd and Law. Luffy going gear fight and having Haki right after he was just taken out the 10 minute time limit didn’t make sense either.
Nah she did use her coating, but the coating doesn't help against impact damage and the crushing that Kidd does and Law can do internal damages with lightning and his awakening and whatnot. That was stated and it was actually consistent with the idea of conquerors coating. Its a coat of armor, but if you run over a person with a diamond armor with a truck, they're still gonna suffer damages from the impact, even if the skin remains unharmed.
Also Luffy knockout after Gear 4 was shortened when he used it against Katakuri on repeat, which I am very sure was also mentioned during their battle. He was constantly training his haki during the 2 week timeskip plus it wouldn't even make sense for the 10 minute knockout to remain a constant considering future enemies are gonna be even stronger.
@@glungusgongus I don't see the point here. Offensively she was clearly stronger. An arm wrestling match she would've likely won 100/100 times. But it wasn't an arm wrestling match. Kid and Law were able to barely hold out against her. Then they surprised her with their awakenings and in the end she couldn't call her homies to catch her. Its consistent in the story.
I've thought that Haki is the fighting spirit, like users extension of will.
Haki would be a more soft power system than readers expect in that case but I guess that would make sense of things
Very interesting that Zoro says "and my own heartbeat beats as loudy as a DRUM... This is the boundary between life and death" when thinking about the Drums of Liberation
This a good point usopp once used observation haki during dressrosa to snipe pudding and he didn't know what it was or how he I doing it
I feel like Morj is becoming more and more of a One Piece historian 😂
I always assumed it depended on focus, strength of will and overall health.. ie at the coliseum they were turned right after they were beaten and unaware of what was happening. Katakuri being flustered and unable to use future sight. And shanks fainting those with out any haki(will).
As far as colored and non colored haki I think it was just based on oda's decision after time skip to better help emphasize haki vs conquerors haki.
Haki is based on Siddhi's in Buddhism and Hinduism. Coincidentally they can be acquired through will power and determined practice just like haki. A stronger will can overcome weaker will just like the concept of spiritual pressure in bleach.
03:18 its weird how not only there's those ulti scenes like that, the official coloring could help disprove but they even added the red with it, and the treasure cruise artwork also is full of black/red lighting (i know a game is a not good source, i mean that is interesting how it keeps happening with her ambiguos or not)
The devil fruit counter is so weird. Why was blackbeard afraid of boas ability then? If sugar touches someone that kaido knew does he still forget about them or does he still remember because his haki is too strong? Is it a certain level of haki you have to be or is it just your haki relative to the haki of the devil fruit user, because that would explain the BB being afraid of boa because she has conquerors haki
I think it's as you said. The haki needs to be high enough quality. BB is implied to not be tremendously gifted in haki skills and so he goes after DF instead. He might not even know that haki can resist a DF ability, or if he does know that it can, he might also know his HIS haki isn't good enough to do it.
@@dye-lawn his haki was good enough to block seraphin mihawk slash with his arm and to clash with law who just proved his haki could take away docs effects. So tbh it doesnt make much sense for him to have too weak haki to do it, or for the same guy who knew what fruit to go for and what it looked like and how to eat multiple to not know basics like negating effects
Yeah I think it depends on their relative level of haki. Doc Q is probably around Chopper's level? So it's normal that Law, being one of the strongest character in the series, can cancel his ability with Haki.
Instead the gap between Blackbeard and Hancock is not that big, so they can't cancel each other's ability.
Well because once ur turned to stone you can’t think. Time freezes so you can’t do what law did. Second you have to have a strong enough will to resist her lust so maybe bb knew he couldn’t resist her lust
@@travisealy3512 theres no proof you cant think when you are stone. And by that same logic then perona works against anyone not already super negative like usopp because they cant control their thoughts to think to break it. So people like mihawk couldnt counter peronas fruit?
Also for your second point resisting her beauty is the requirement for the fruit to not work in the first place not to break it once it takes effect. Two diff things. And weve seen her turn a pacifista to stone so even that is shakey because pacifista dont have emotions
Part of the blame does lie on Oda. Yes he shouldn’t always have to signify when people are using Haki but since it’s a power that some have and some don’t… there’s no way to know for sure. He depicts it clearly in some scenes and doesn’t in others.
Whereas a system like ki or chakra or reiatsu is always active. Normal humans just have it at a very low level that it’s not visible or it’s effects not obvious. But it’s always on. It’s life force.
Whereas Haki is willpower….on a bad day you might not have it. If you have no motivation or a weakened resolve. It’s a complex system but thus it needs proper depiction.
tbh, Kishimoto has to exposition dump alot to explain chakra especially when you watch some of his fights and alot of the battle is other characters expositing. Ki has also been inconsistent or unexplained. You can get alot of unexplained powers that are barely explained. Goku in Namek Saga being able to read Gohan's mind and that never being relevant again or in Super when Goku gets off hit by a random laser.
. I firmly believe that in marineford when luffy envisioned mihawk slicing his arms off that wasn’t observation haki but just common sense. Like how sometimes a character can feel someone’s bloodlust or even see their own defeat, luffy simply saw his own defeat and it wasn’t a case of future sight.
i think it was just odas way of demonstrating what observation haki is like.
Just realized I’ve watched every vid you’ve posted for the past 6 months didn’t even realize it but your content is addictive and so well made and thought out
One thing that is true is that every advanced conqueror's attack HAS black lightning, but not everything that has black lightning is advanced conqueror's
Lightning appears when there are haki clashes, but not necessarily conqueror's clashes, for example we saw Jinbe with black lightning after tanking Who's Who's armament haki attacks in chapter 1018
well Asura may be the exception tbf
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the first picture was on the brief period in post time skip were haki was still invisible, a common misonception is that haki became visible post time skip immediatly while in reality it became colored after luffy recalled his training with rayleig
on the second picture has a weird angle, you can easly argue that luffy was indeed coating but it was just covered by cesars body
on the third picture sanjis legs are already black so its safe to assume he was indeed coating himself
rayleigh himself has said that haki is invisible armor, so its safe to assume the black coating is that armor colored for only the audience
I consider armament haki as the "mastery of self"
That within the confines of your own body, an armament haki user is able to define their own rules and enforce their will on their own body. So when they reinforce their body they're telling themselves "my body will not break". Similarly, when they use haki to resist enemy devil fruit users they're saying "Your devil fruit will have no effect in the space that my body occupies". So when they, for example, punch a logia user, their body is occupying the space that the logia user would normally phase through, and becomes the wall that prevents the phasing from happening.
This also means that when swordsmen coat their blades in haki, this is an extension of the philosophy of their swords being an extension of their own body.
As a side note, I theorise that conqueror's haki differs from armament haki in that its instead the ability to enforce your rules on the area outside of your own body. THAT is what makes it worthy of the title of conqueror
I think people gotta stop expecting 100% story consistency when it comes to haki in general. It's a power built on the emotional concept of willpower. Channeling one's willpower is something that requires one to have personal reasons to be fighting. If there's any major doubt or anything that can disrupt the access you have to your willpower, you're not even accessing the haki playbook.
Jinbe exerting his willpower to resist Big Mom's DF ability at the wedding is Jinbe showing the fortitude of his willpower.. or in narrative terms, having no fear. Zoro accessing strengths beyond his understanding just shows the strength of his will + drive versus that of his opponents. Luffy winning against Katakuri wasn't a 'technical' defeat, but his willpower was what finally tipped the scale at the end. I would even argue that in that moment with the scabbards vs kaido, they came closer to harnessing 'Oden's Will' than any of them would have on their own. I think the public conception of "only one in a million have conqueror's haki" is just a response to the fact that it *can* come from anyone, but only one in a million have recognized the capability + have the personal drive to be able to actually channel it. I think we gotta be flexible w the idea that even someone who can't readily access and utilize conqueror's haki can channel it in extreme circumstances where your will, the core of your being, is put to the test.
Now here's a spicy angle as a bonus... obviously Luffy fought well against Kaido, but Luffy's victory speaks to Luffy's will as much as it does to Kaido's to "go out in a bang". Kaido, by getting defeated in Wano was able to exert his will in the end. Was that Kaido's true will? Or was this his surrogate will after having his motivations wilted by his false victory against Oden? Food for thought lol
I still think Asura isn’t haki. Asura imo seems to be more so related to Zoro’s animal/demonic like spirit. It’s the same way he is able to use the spirit of animals to change the properties of his attacks, like how he was able to make his slashes combust against Ryuuma by using the spirit of a dragon. It is my personal belief that Asura is the full power of this spirit.
Haki is also called “spirit” by some people, but I think it is more accurate to say it is “the ability to not doubt”. Rayleigh uses this exact phrasing. When Zoro “gave it his all” against Kaido, he both manifested Asura, and infused his attack with conquerors haki, unknowingly.
The two abilities are most likely related in the same way that Sanji’s emotions are tied to his haki as well. Sanji’s emotions let him use diable jambe, but they also greatly increase his observation haki. They are both separate factors that grant them unique abilities whilst also affecting their haki.
Dunno why Sanji is mentioned
@@TM-NTM it’s a comparison. Zoro has his unique spirit, Sanji has his emotions. Both of these are unique abilities for Zoro and Sanji respectively, but they also affect their haki (for Zoro it granted him conquerors infusion, and for Sanji it vastly improves his observation haki).
@@blitzes3177 You can go further like Morj said Fujitora probably uses observation almost all the time, but I'd argue he has at least some level of near-passive Observation Haki in the sense that he drains so little that he recovers enough back to maybe enhance his other senses to get some understanding of the surroundings.
Sanji specifically can hear the cries of women (lol). Zoro does have a sort of demon or beast like spirit, which fits his complete 'dream or death' mentality, he puts everything on the line like wild beasts do in the wild, except he focuses it towards a more specific goal and can even recognize Luffy's dream to be as important.
Enel enhanced his observation with his logia fruit, and Shanks seems to take advanced conqueror's a step further so all in all yes Haki should be influenced by the person, like Rayleigh said maybe aside from 'advanced' abilities there are also unique variations or techniques based on one's application of Haki abilities.
I agree that zoro asura is tied to haki because he can only use it in dire situation where he is near death similar to how he awakened ryuo. However I think diable jambe is not tied to haki as we see it as a regular technique that he uses similar to gear 2nd pre ts it was never something that he didn't understand fully.
@@TyRendition the film Strong World has Zoro use Asura when not on the brink of death. I know it’s status as canon is debatable, but it was written by Oda meaning he green lit Zoro using Asura without being on the brink of death.
I love the way this was explained. I love it when people provide evidence to their claims. And this is what I’ve thought about haki all this time. Great video, you should really make more like this rather than the speculative nonsense that everyone is making nowadays.
I think observation is just the most used form of haki because when you’re a strong combatant in a dangerous world it’s good to have it on as much as possible , if a pirate or marine is at home or just strolling it’ll probably be off but if danger may even be remotely close it’ll be on
Also remember whitebeard had observation while sleep
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I am pretty sure Oda has already addressed the black armament haki. I feel like I remember hearing about or seeing an article where Oda states the Black armament haki is just to make it absolutely clear when haki is being used. As for the times it's not shown as black I imagine all the ink needed to do that would be insane.
9:32 my explations here are 1- after you are a toy, you cannot use haki because you would have to get out of Sugar's control for that. 2- Sugar could cancel out Bonney power, but he either don't know (Law learned that because it was countering him, luffy could just not have learned) or what I think it's more probable, he didn't used because he was not being threatened, he understood Bonney side and was just talking with her.
could the cancelling out DF with Haki be something like how Doflamingo and Whitebeard broke thru Aokijis ice ball?
I'm pretty sure Oda clarified in an SBS that the black coating that illustrates haki is only for the reader, and that haki is an unseen force all the time in universe.
In the anime the coating is sometimes called armament hardening. I took that as a way of saying hardening was an armament technique that gave them the coating.
7:56 rayleigh already explain that armament haki is like you are wearing invisible armor.
I've always believed that haki users were "layering" their armament haki over themselves like a tint almost, so the reason that sometimes you can see the black coating while others you can't is because they are simply adding more layers to the point where its visible. If you look at people like vergo and pica, when they coated their entire bodies with armament their haki is given an almost purple hue to it instead of the standard black, leading one to believe that their haki "layers" were stretched thinner and therefore less potent.
It’s just more badass when you use such high levels, and of course using it everywhere on you isn’t a good idea, in my opinion it’s best to use it on your arms, and legs for attacking, and torso, and neck for defending.
I swear if it wasn’t for Morj the One Piece community would be too far up its own ass in headcanon. The man just speaks common sense and then backs it up with receipts you’ve gotta love it.
Sabo inu and neko might be conquerors which would then make sense why there's black lightning
I couldn’t have analyzed it better myself.
I have a few things to add/expand on.
I agree with the reasoning about DFs affecting environment vs individuals. However there’s one more likely factor. Awakening.
Bonnet’s power is to age/de-age someone but she can affect OTHERS, shes 100% awakened in my opinion. (The same way Brook is awakened, his DF is to revive HIM but he “revived” the souls inside the homies, that’s how he beat them, by reviving them)
At the same time, I’d argue Xinjiao couldn’t break out of Sugar’s fruit because he was injured/unconscious, and it’s likely that he wouldn’t be able to once he was under the effects after a certain amount of time, Law’s case seems to have been really short.
On a similar note, the target also needs to be caught off guard or willing to be affected:
Law was able to swap Doffy and Sanji
The kids in Punk Hazard let them (not to mention they obviously have no Haki)
The colour, visible or not should have been obvious, ever since Oda introduced Haki he mentioned that it has ALWAYS existed in-universe and it’s something people can feel, similar to DBZ. Sentomaru felt the no after trip had it in the Return to Sabaody Arc, which means pre-timeskip all the Logia users can feel whether enemies have it or not and if they send the enemy use Haki then they’ll use Observation Haki to dematerialize before impact, just like Katakuri.
On a similar related note, while obviously not the same, In-Universe I am convinced that ROKUSHIKI IS HAKI:
- Tekkai and Shigan is LITERALLY using Armament Haki in a specific body part
- Kami-E is literally Observation Haki
-Rokuougan is literally internal distraction Amrmament Haki
Now to counter argue people who will “oh it’s physical training.
CP9 did master it through training but have you forgotten that Luffy did the exact same thing?
You can unlock it through training
OR
Traumatic event (Coby in Marineford)
It’s not impossible that within the Marines they call that particular set of moves “Rokushiki” instead of “oh this is finger Haki”, just like in other shows, Goku’s trademark move is the “Kamehameha”, not the “blue energy beam”.
Moves can be the same but have different names: Luffy’s Gear 2nd is literally Soru from Rokushiki, Sanji’s Blue/Sky Walk, Kuro’s Catwalk
It’s simply “moving fast” but with a different name.
Another proof:
Katakuri told Luffy that he could hurt him because his Armament was stronger which means there are levels
Jinbei was able to beat Who’s Who because Jinbei’s Armament was Stronger than Who’s Who’s “Finger Armament” aka Shigan
Lastly I think it was Sawyer who did a nice breakdown of the Armament Level a while back
Level 1 black coating
Level 2 invisible armour
Level 3 internal destruction
Would Soru and Rankyaku be haki?
@@TyRendition I would say rankyaku maybe, but my point is that Rokushiki is a SET OF TECHNIQUES and not all are Haki
To make it easier to illustrate, imagine Karate is “Rokushiki”, but karate does not have throws, or fencing using savers but not knives
The “logic” of Rokushiki PROOR to the full introduction to Haki is that they trained their bodies to the peak of human physique (which still isn’t the case because look at that disgusting zipper mouth) but after the introduction of Haki that simply doesn’t make sense anymore
Rankyaku is supposed to be a kick so strong that the kick throws a gust of wind or something, but they kick it really slow
That energy blast is similar to Zoro’s Pound Cannon so my analysis is that they are all subconsciously imbuing Haki in the air current (made swords cuts, kicks, etc)
lol love how when he catches the hint his voice drops 😂
I wish morj talked about the difference between conquerors infusion and conquerors coating, because I always see people in zoro polls saying how zoro is using conquerors coating when it's clearly not the case. Coating is having conquerors haki on the outside of something while infusion is on the inside. Coating is used in strong haki clashes whilst infusion is used to deal more internal damage and is commonly used with swords.
Why would Luffy turn back when Bonney is helping Luffy disguise himself from Police Kuma? 💀
I really enjoyed the analysis and the breakdown of all the types, good job on specific details yo improve the contex
yes for sugars ability one could cancel out her power with haki, but you cant forget that she can also give you orders to not harm her or do something like use haki.
Maybe Sugar ability affect "environment", that is reality or the world itself. That may explain why it made other people forget their existence so Sugar doesn't affect the user directly, but the world as it is. And when she fell asleep, it reset her power to the world like a switch
That boy morj looking fresh with that jacket on .
I honestly wasn't paying attention wo what you were saying, but the Uta New Generation music video came up as an ad, so this gets my like.
@14:20 THANK YOU that was the one time where I was actually fed up with OP fans debating that, like why would Oda EVEN write that dialogue if Zoro didn’t have CH
I'm pretty sure oda wrote that dialogue to show that zoro had CH but wasn't quite at the stage to be able to use it properly... Both what Kiado said and how zoro responded is very similar to Ivan and Luffy at MF
I think the panel you featured at the beginning of the video of black lighting appearing when the scabbards cut Kaido is a bad example for the point you're trying that they're not using Conquerer's Haki.
My understanding of that panel in the broader context of that fight is that the cross-shaped scar the scabbards are cutting was left there by Oden using advanced Conquerer's Haki and a trace of that Haki still lingered in that scar 20 years later. When the scabbards attacked together, their strong emotional connection to Oden caused their attacks to resonate with that lingering Haki and thus triggered a Conquerer's Haki black lighting effect.
But that's just my opinion. 🤷🏻🍿
Another thing people forget about is that we also have story confirmation that armament haki gets used unknowingly as well. In impel down, luffy punches blackbeard, and blackbeard says "your haki has gotten stronger!" We don't even know about different kinds of haki at this point in the story, but oda is clearly indicating here that luffy has naturally developed some of this "haki" that makes his punches stronger.
The only thing i believe we can safely assume with haki is the sky splitting phenomenon between fighters. As far as im aware, that only happens between conquerors. Luffy kaido, shanks whitebeard, big mom kaido, etc
Asura involving Conqueror's Haki kind of makes sense. Since we know it's a form of Haki that a lot of people witnessing it can feel even if it doesn't directly effect them. Because we saw how much it unnerved Kaku when Zoro used Asura way back at Enies Lobby. He could feel something was wrong but he just thought it was some kind of illusion.
I imagine the haki devil fruit power cancelation is situational.
Good stuff Morj. Keep it up.
One thing to add. The mechanics behind aCoA and aCoC are basically the same. That's why Luffy and Zoro were able to pick up on it so easily. When Zoro used ashura he put it all on the line and it just makes sense that some of his conc would also get infused into that attack.
I mean you say observation haki isn't a passive thing but Koby disproves that because he couldn't turn off his observation haki, hearing thousands of people all at once, where I do believe the person said he'd grow used to it. Which gave me the impression that observation haki is just a constant thing.
I find it highly likely that oda may have flubbed a few interactions when it comes to the black lightning. Especially since that concept was not explored until Wano. Burgess and Sabo may have been among a short list of exceptions. As When Doffy and Luffy clashed, the black lightning circled the whole arena.
So maybe even, black lightning or sparks is just a showing of high levels of Haki. Whereas it's always been clear when two Conquerors are going at it. As the abundance of lightning is always in huge quantities.
Drillhead was turned into a toy right after clashing with Luffy, so its understandable that as a old man past his prime he couldn't use his haki against a hax fruit like that.
I think big and kaido specifically just always have Hali “Activated” Maybe not purposely either . Most characters would have purposely push out Hali to affect the devil fruit or cancel it out.
Great vid Morj, though the thing that I disagree with is the notion that Conquerers coating isn’t the only way to do last damage to Kaido. Law Gamma knife was working he just needed to continue hit Kaido repeatedly to get more substantial damage. And if Zoro had Landed his “Dragon Blaze” with just the amount of Ryou he was use, both Kaido & big mom knew it was lethal damage. Conquerors coating is like using an Armor Piercing ammo, but using Ryou the way Zoro was going to use is like using a cannon ball. The Armor Piercing ammo is more advanced then the Cannon ball, but there’s no denying that the more amount of Metal(Haki) the more damage.
Personal headcanon - When comparing Sugar, Boa, Doc Q, and Laws DFs (in that Law could reverse the effect with Haki, while seemingly nobody could do that with Sugar):
- Sugar's DF is likely similar to Hancock's - the effect is sustained independently of the DF user's will (neither have to strain themselves to keep their victims as stone/toys). Hancock doesn't have to actively maintain the activation to keep her targets petrified - she could even die and the effect would still remain in place. This could be a type of effect where even Haki can't bail you out. So the question would be if Doc Q's ability requires continued activation to maintain, or if his diseases remain in effect independently
- Sugar and Hancock are also similar in that their DFs explicitly nullify will (one through petrification, the other through the forced contract formed between user and target by the DF). Perhaps select abilities that take away will (or actively limit it) could also nullify Haki by extension.
- Unless there was some kind of instant kill disease, Doc Q effects take time to kick in, while Sugar and Boa can hit instantly. Even if the fruit can be resisted with Haki, this could very well be subject to reaction speed (as we have established that Haki has to be consciously activated - that implies that a fast acting DF user, can out-pace someone who could otherwise mount a Haki-based Defense)
- We typically see Boa and Sugar use their respective DF effects against mostly scrubs tbh. In saying that, Boa can still cut down on enemy numbers with her petrification and beat the rest with her sheer strength. I don't think we saw Sugar use her power on a Admiral/Commander level opponent, but since she has the backing of very powerful officers and Doffy himself, it'a possible that the Donquioxte Pirates simply kill the targets too strong for Sugar's ability - or beat them down til they are vulnerable to Sugar
- In other words, maybe Sugar and Boa can have their powers reversed by Haki, but we never see it since they can both resort to brute force/call in stronger backup on the few occasions where Haki Differential becomes relevant (thus boosting the perceived success rate for those abilities).
- Comparing Law - his Room does require explicit activation, drains stamina to sustain. Using a Room ability requires time to set up, and works within a set radius. It doesn't affect will from what we have seen. Law also regularly engages with powerful enemies more regularly, which means he more consistently clashes people with the Haki to defend against him. Simply, Law's DF is more vulnerable to Haki than the Sugar's and Hancock's of the story
- Doc Q might be an oversight, but that depends on if his diseases require conscious activation to sustain, or if they exist independently of Doc Q post-creation - if the former then Doc Q's abilities being countered with Haki would fit the headcanon