Just a quick note about how to know the (average) thickness of some wings. Some brands (Sabfoil, Axis, etc...) list the area and volume of the wing. Just divide the volume by the area and you'll have the average thickness of the wing.
Thanks so much for posting these measurements- I always wished more manufacturers would quote max thickness. I'm now on Unifoil Progressions and the 140 is around 15-16mm while the 200 is closer to 18mm (hard to be exact as my callipers aren't quite deep enough to reach back to the max point). Anyway it all makes sense as the progs are not super fast foils but do have a great low end & I'm really enjoying them. The Code wings look great.
Gong YPRA-S Large; 12mm thick, 90 cm span, 1000 sq cm, AR 8.2. YPRA-S Medium 11mm thick, 80 cm span, 782 sq cm, AR 8.2. Gong has been posting thickness and volume for years. Surf and freestyle variations of the YPRA-S. Never ridden any of the YPRA-S’s (I ride the V2 Veloce’s) but I know the team riders are very competitive with them (even though many wingers still dismiss Gong as low end performance/quality). Not surprised that Gong never gets mentioned in many comparisons
Those gong ypras are crazy good. I’ve got the11mm thick medium (700cm2)surf freestyle mounted to an old chopped up unifoil fuse. Malo guenole in the final at ponta preta event on a 600cm ypra is all you need to watch if performance of gong foils is a question. Kai Lenny is currently using their wings in Italy
I recently changed to Gong after using 4 other foil brands before. I ride the Ypra S L (12mm, 1000 cm2, 90 cm span) and it's the best all round foil foil I've ridden. Top speed over 25 knots but great in waves and usable for me at 80 kgs from 10-12 knots
@@oldboywindsurfer yeah, I’m probably going to get the YPRA-S L as well. Very happy with my V2 Veloce L, but just ready to give the YPRA-S a go. I’ve always been in search of the best high end AND low end, combined with great maneuverability. Like the theme of the video; best all round.
The foils do look quite good but the wing to fuse connection gets a 'worst in the industry' rating. If I did get some ypra's I'd get a fuse for each (they're cheap enough) and epoxy one to each wing, screws in place.
There are a lot more variables to throw in, the camber of these new breed of foils is where the magic seems to happen allowing lower stall speed but have less drag while doing it. But like everything in life, the gains are often incremental in multiple areas adding up to a bigger overall change.
Good low end for a given thickness/span/area makes me think of armie HA. IDK about thickness, maybe I’ll get some digital calipers, but the only thing I can see is the thickness seems to be carried well aft, with a rapid taper in the last inch.
770R is 11.8 mm and the 1130S is 14 mm (measured an inch from the center). I am headed to Cocoa this weekend. Want to meet up and try the 770R or the "Dragon Lady" 1075R? Hoping to ride some at the beach in the morning and The Slick in the afternoon if we get any wind. Robert @ Downwindtown
Yes, would love to meet up. Based on the forecast, most wingers will be riding Kelly Park on the weekend. Nobody wings the Slick. It’s shallow and a kiters spot. Jet ski invasion prevents our other good spot (Jacques) on weekends. Ocean has heavy sea grass right now. Text me at 910-two nine seven 4567
I ride Axis fuselage but everything else I make that's under the board. The Axis mast foot is big and chunky and I'm very close to the point of doing my own fuselage. My latest foil is somewhere between the AFS Silk and the Code R wing with the sweep. But socketing that front fuselage connection is a big nusciance! I have an algorithm to fatten the wing right around that connection but it always looks bulky. I'm big and heavy so I have to provide plenty carbon under it too. But for sure, I believe the combined wing/mast socket is the way of the future. The secret sauce isn't in the section though. look at the wing end on, I think I can see it because I do it too.
I recently found a youtube video of a racer talking about what it takes to hit 30 knots. He showed different foil constructions, saying all in one front wing and fuse was key, plus tail integration. Everything must be super clean. It made me think, this is part of the Code lower drag, better glide formula also.
Great specs list. for sure we are living in great times for watersports. Code foils are awesome especially the R series. As with many things in life numbers don't always tell the whole story and there are some other sub12mm foils not on your list that are a different feel than the Code foils especially in surf and for winging vs DW. Personally I wouldn't trade my Mikeslab 700 for any of the foils on the list. If you get a chance place your calipers on a Mike'slab 340 then ride it. Even in light 12-15 winds that foil feels like a completely different sport insane all around performance.
I recently saw a video Guy Cribb posted riding ML 290 and 340 foils with an Aqeous Layline 6m, 10-15kts and hitting good speeds up around 29kts. I’ve never seen a Mikes Lab firsthand and only hear good things about them. I’m very interested to hear if those small area foils mentioned have the increased camber sections, but I’m assuming so.
The silk is the thickest afs foil. Afs also states on their website that it is the max thickness whereas Dwight is not necessarily measuring max thickness. But even then the Pure 700 fuselink has a max thickness of 11.5mm per the afs website
Nice. Thanks for posting the numbers. I think when the sections have low thickness to chord ratios like this around 10% or less these are high speed sections, and suffer on the low end but some manufacturers have added increased camber to these thin sections which seems to allow both a good low and a good top end with high efficiency over the increased range. I’d be curious to know the camber. I use a contour gauge and get a decent profile shape of the top and bottom surfaces along a chord line. The Codes look to have quite high AR as well so the induced drag is minimized and overall efficiency is high. Looks like nice equipment.
Foil thickness is key, but I think your analysis must include the AoA (Angle of Attack) and the placement of the thickest point (related to foil shape, chord, NACA shapes etc). I never foiled a CODE foil, but they seem to have higher AoA than other brands. This appears to be a great combination: thin profile + high AoA. For sure, Mike's Labs, which are made for speed, has low AoA = flat foil position and the max thickness is quite backward (in the middle of the foil). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_airfoil
Thanks for that spread! Let’s get some Rs on there. I really liked the 150X compared to the 980s specs. Although head to head I like the 980 more, more user friendly but find the 150x faster. Foil section have so much to do with these foils.
960 R is 13.5 thick. That is the only R I own. Would love to own more Rs, but my wife doesn’t always get along with wide span foils, so holding off on buying the 770 R for her…..bummer for me! haha.
Thanks for measuring! I agree that without measuring a reviewer is just talking out of their ass. It’s challenging to resist bending loads with a thinner foil. Maybe consider making the bending as well. Thanks!
I ride a code 980 s on a Nolimitz 72cm on Appletree V3 90 liter and a slik 1050 on a 80 cm uhm mast back to back ,my thougt on it : the code come easy on Foil, is fast pumps better and jipe easy ,very good Setup. After that i go on a Slik 1050 on a 100 liter Whitebird , after that i bought the Afs , it is all about your feel and how your conditions are. The silk is going like the name, it was the wow feeling. That mean , is comes it little bit harder on foil and pumps not so good as the Code ,but is near as fast as the code . The thing is when you riding in small windbumps ,chop ( Baltic see) you want a turny foil . You can go as hard as you want full speed in a tight hard turn and you can trust the silk . The Silk is very good surfy foil in small condition and the code is good foil in small condition, when you riding in bigger swell or only flatwater i would choose the Code ,im my conditions i like the Silk more. Anyway ,Code or Silk you cant go wrong is fun on both ,is more the feel that you prefer .Only my own thougts from a average Joe ,4 jears of winging strapless, 59 j. 97kg , have fun on the water ;-)
I found a comment from a foiler 500 times better than me to the comparsion Silk vs. code s : @guybridge8591 vor 14 Stunden Hello! What I’d say is the code has more glide but the Silk allows you to Carve on rail more and be more aggressive through turns , I’d say the AFS has a better top end than the code which has a better bottom end (slower stall speed) glide for longer! I think the AFS has a bit more of a spark to it, it’s a bit livelier
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Just a quick note about how to know the (average) thickness of some wings.
Some brands (Sabfoil, Axis, etc...) list the area and volume of the wing. Just divide the volume by the area and you'll have the average thickness of the wing.
Thanks so much for posting these measurements- I always wished more manufacturers would quote max thickness. I'm now on Unifoil Progressions and the 140 is around 15-16mm while the 200 is closer to 18mm (hard to be exact as my callipers aren't quite deep enough to reach back to the max point). Anyway it all makes sense as the progs are not super fast foils but do have a great low end & I'm really enjoying them. The Code wings look great.
Gong YPRA-S Large; 12mm thick, 90 cm span, 1000 sq cm, AR 8.2. YPRA-S Medium 11mm thick, 80 cm span, 782 sq cm, AR 8.2. Gong has been posting thickness and volume for years. Surf and freestyle variations of the YPRA-S. Never ridden any of the YPRA-S’s (I ride the V2 Veloce’s) but I know the team riders are very competitive with them (even though many wingers still dismiss Gong as low end performance/quality). Not surprised that Gong never gets mentioned in many comparisons
Those gong ypras are crazy good. I’ve got the11mm thick medium (700cm2)surf freestyle mounted to an old chopped up unifoil fuse. Malo guenole in the final at ponta preta event on a 600cm ypra is all you need to watch if performance of gong foils is a question. Kai Lenny is currently using their wings in Italy
I recently changed to Gong after using 4 other foil brands before. I ride the Ypra S L (12mm, 1000 cm2, 90 cm span) and it's the best all round foil foil I've ridden. Top speed over 25 knots but great in waves and usable for me at 80 kgs from 10-12 knots
@@oldboywindsurfer yeah, I’m probably going to get the YPRA-S L as well. Very happy with my V2 Veloce L, but just ready to give the YPRA-S a go. I’ve always been in search of the best high end AND low end, combined with great maneuverability. Like the theme of the video; best all round.
The foils do look quite good but the wing to fuse connection gets a 'worst in the industry' rating. If I did get some ypra's I'd get a fuse for each (they're cheap enough) and epoxy one to each wing, screws in place.
Been riding and jumping gong foils for years never had an issue with that connection.
There are a lot more variables to throw in, the camber of these new breed of foils is where the magic seems to happen allowing lower stall speed but have less drag while doing it. But like everything in life, the gains are often incremental in multiple areas adding up to a bigger overall change.
Where do you think the trade off is, with the new magic? I am used to Axis where the trade offs are fairly clear and consistent.
@@powis-tv8ln top speed and the foil noticably pitching nose down at near max speed , depends what the intended working range is though
I can attest to this and owned most of the foils on his list and many unifoils. I am all in on Code now
Good low end for a given thickness/span/area makes me think of armie HA. IDK about thickness, maybe I’ll get some digital calipers, but the only thing I can see is the thickness seems to be carried well aft, with a rapid taper in the last inch.
770R is 11.8 mm and the 1130S is 14 mm (measured an inch from the center). I am headed to Cocoa this weekend. Want to meet up and try the 770R or the "Dragon Lady" 1075R? Hoping to ride some at the beach in the morning and The Slick in the afternoon if we get any wind. Robert @ Downwindtown
Yes, would love to meet up. Based on the forecast, most wingers will be riding Kelly Park on the weekend. Nobody wings the Slick. It’s shallow and a kiters spot. Jet ski invasion prevents our other good spot (Jacques) on weekends. Ocean has heavy sea grass right now. Text me at 910-two nine seven 4567
I ride Axis fuselage but everything else I make that's under the board. The Axis mast foot is big and chunky and I'm very close to the point of doing my own fuselage. My latest foil is somewhere between the AFS Silk and the Code R wing with the sweep. But socketing that front fuselage connection is a big nusciance! I have an algorithm to fatten the wing right around that connection but it always looks bulky. I'm big and heavy so I have to provide plenty carbon under it too. But for sure, I believe the combined wing/mast socket is the way of the future. The secret sauce isn't in the section though. look at the wing end on, I think I can see it because I do it too.
I recently found a youtube video of a racer talking about what it takes to hit 30 knots. He showed different foil constructions, saying all in one front wing and fuse was key, plus tail integration. Everything must be super clean. It made me think, this is part of the Code lower drag, better glide formula also.
Great review and assessment of the Code
thanks, I immediately bought that caliper on amazon!
Great specs list. for sure we are living in great times for watersports. Code foils are awesome especially the R series. As with many things in life numbers don't always tell the whole story and there are some other sub12mm foils not on your list that are a different feel than the Code foils especially in surf and for winging vs DW. Personally I wouldn't trade my Mikeslab 700 for any of the foils on the list. If you get a chance place your calipers on a Mike'slab 340 then ride it. Even in light 12-15 winds that foil feels like a completely different sport insane all around performance.
I recently saw a video Guy Cribb posted riding ML 290 and 340 foils with an Aqeous Layline 6m, 10-15kts and hitting good speeds up around 29kts. I’ve never seen a Mikes Lab firsthand and only hear good things about them. I’m very interested to hear if those small area foils mentioned have the increased camber sections, but I’m assuming so.
Awesome review! Im surprised to see the AFS that thick.
Where they the fuselink one piece ?
AFS publishes the thickness. The only brand that does to my knowledge. I’ve never seen the AFS in person.
@@foilsurfmachinesmikeslab /AFS and f-One has a much thinner fuselage.
I wonder how that affects things vs the thickness at 1inch from leading edge.
@@scp8412 It doesn’t. Thickness doesn’t reduce until way, way, far from the fuse. So one inch away is good enough.
The silk is the thickest afs foil. Afs also states on their website that it is the max thickness whereas Dwight is not necessarily measuring max thickness. But even then the Pure 700 fuselink has a max thickness of 11.5mm per the afs website
Nice. Thanks for posting the numbers. I think when the sections have low thickness to chord ratios like this around 10% or less these are high speed sections, and suffer on the low end but some manufacturers have added increased camber to these thin sections which seems to allow both a good low and a good top end with high efficiency over the increased range. I’d be curious to know the camber. I use a contour gauge and get a decent profile shape of the top and bottom surfaces along a chord line. The Codes look to have quite high AR as well so the induced drag is minimized and overall efficiency is high. Looks like nice equipment.
Foil thickness is key, but I think your analysis must include the AoA (Angle of Attack) and the placement of the thickest point (related to foil shape, chord, NACA shapes etc).
I never foiled a CODE foil, but they seem to have higher AoA than other brands. This appears to be a great combination: thin profile + high AoA.
For sure, Mike's Labs, which are made for speed, has low AoA = flat foil position and the max thickness is quite backward (in the middle of the foil).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_airfoil
Thanks for that spread!
Let’s get some Rs on there.
I really liked the 150X compared to the 980s specs. Although head to head I like the 980 more, more user friendly but find the 150x faster.
Foil section have so much to do with these foils.
960 R is 13.5 thick. That is the only R I own. Would love to own more Rs, but my wife doesn’t always get along with wide span foils, so holding off on buying the 770 R for her…..bummer for me! haha.
Thanks for measuring! I agree that without measuring a reviewer is just talking out of their ass.
It’s challenging to resist bending loads with a thinner foil. Maybe consider making the bending as well. Thanks!
I ride a code 980 s on a Nolimitz 72cm on Appletree V3 90 liter and a slik 1050 on a 80 cm uhm mast back to back ,my thougt on it : the code come easy on Foil, is fast pumps better and jipe easy ,very good Setup. After that i go on a Slik 1050 on a 100 liter Whitebird , after that i bought the Afs , it is all about your feel and how your conditions are. The silk is going like the name, it was the wow feeling.
That mean , is comes it little bit harder on foil and pumps not so good as the Code ,but is near as fast as the code .
The thing is when you riding in small windbumps ,chop ( Baltic see) you want a turny foil . You can go as hard as you want full speed in a tight hard turn and you can trust the silk . The Silk is very good surfy foil in small condition and the code is good foil in small condition, when you riding in bigger swell or only flatwater i would choose the Code ,im my conditions i like the Silk more. Anyway ,Code or Silk you cant go wrong is fun on both ,is more the feel that you prefer .Only my own thougts from a average Joe ,4 jears of winging strapless, 59 j. 97kg , have fun on the water ;-)
I found a comment from a foiler 500 times better than me to the comparsion Silk vs. code s :
@guybridge8591
vor 14 Stunden
Hello! What I’d say is the code has more glide but the Silk allows you to Carve on rail more and be more aggressive through turns , I’d say the AFS has a better top end than the code which has a better bottom end (slower stall speed) glide for longer! I think the AFS has a bit more of a spark to it, it’s a bit livelier
But it makes me cringe at the simplest strapless air, how easily it would be to snap a wing it being that thin
I've jumped mine countless times with no issues. 200lbs. I'm more concerned with the flimsy construction on some brands more than thickness. -Tucker
Wait until you get a crack at the R series. You ain’t seen nothing yet 🤣 the ridiculous takes it to another level.
The 960 R is my secret weapon.
How do you like the 960 compared to the 980?
You have a 7 min video of all talk lol