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@@jerryclesca2163 Scottie was definitely the perfect partner in crime! 🏀 MJ had the talent and drive, and Scottie brought the versatility and defense to match. Together, they became unstoppable. But let’s not forget, MJ was already putting up historic numbers even before Scottie came along.
Determined not desperate. Desperate is forming a superteam to win a championship. Determined was staying loyal to the franchise that drafted you and working with players that was available to you to win a championship.
@@TalkMyShiitNah young man, he didn't even know that Jerry Krause was in the making of hiring Dennis. Phil and Jerry had a meeting at Jerry's house and they called MJ and Scottie Over and asked them what do he think about Dennis joining the team and MJ said he's a helluva rebounder and as long as he behave. Know Your history young brother 😊😊❤
Right. In those days franchises didn't make "super teams" to try and win. It was all about people who could and did play their position. It's like Kerr hitting that shot against the Jazz to win the championship. MJ trusted Kerr and it paid off. They didn't need to bring over Starks or Olajuwon.
@@TalkMyShiit Haha! Yeah, Ron Harper who was in his 10th season. He was 30 and averaged less than 10 points a game. And Rodman was a 1 stat player who was going to be out of the league if the Bulls hadn't picked him up. The Spurs showed he was a menace, and Jordan and Pippen would regularly have to tackle him to the ground to keep from being ejected. He was a joke, and hardly the reason the Bulls won their next 3 peat.
💯 Preach! MJ was out there dropping buckets like it was a clinic, but the Pistons knew the only way to stop the Bulls was to gang up on the rest of the squad. Once MJ’s teammates learned to punch back (figuratively... and sometimes literally 😂), the Pistons didn’t stand a chance. 🏀🔥 Which teammate do you think had the biggest impact in that turnaround?
@@TheULMOnaut 😂 Right?! MJ was out there dishing dimes like a basketball chef, serving his teammates on a silver platter, and they were like, 'Nah, I’m full.' 🍽🏀
To your point Jordan was always doing enough if he had been on a different team. Michael put on a bit of muscle to adjust to the physicality of the Pistons during the stretch. He demanded more from his teammates as well. It certainly all had to all come together in order to be the dominant Force they were.
😂 That’s what I’m talking about! MJ’s games have that magic, you start with a highlight reel and next thing you know, you’re deep into the full game like it’s the NBA Finals all over again. 🏀🔥 Glad you enjoyed the video!
Pre-championship Jordan was more exciting to watch than 90's Jordan. He did some great things, but Air Jordan was 84-90. Trying to win with extreme athleticism. Then he learned how to win and his game changed.
You nailed it! Pre-championship MJ was like a fireworks show explosive, raw, and unpredictable. Watching him back then was like witnessing pure athletic poetry in motion 🔥🏀
Just a reminder to those who say the Pistons were old when MJ beat them. The Pistons were back to back champs and going for a 3peat when Mike & the Bulls put em out handily.
They were in their twilight … it’s the truth you act like it was 88-90 Detroit … he couldn’t beat them in their PRIME. Then in 1991 he cried so much they created the flagrant foul system to restrict the physical play and in combo with an older Detroit finally got over Mt Everest … Detroit beat him while in his prime and Magic and Larry as well. They would’ve three peated first if not for a bullshit phantom foul against LA in 88. MJ never beat Boston in the prime, beat a declining Detroit dynasty, and beat an old Lakers squad without Kareem in their twilight.
@TalkMyShiit Isaiah Thomas was 30.Dumars was 28 ..in what world is 30 considered twilight yrs for an nba player? Please don't pretend like the bad boy pistons aren't the dirtiest team in league history. If we ask all the teams/players from that era they would agree. They were getting away with craziness evn by ole school rules. You must be one hell of a Bill Laimbeer fan to ignore all the facts. P.S. let's keep it on Detroit, by not doing so you're further proving my point & for the sake of playing your game were the Lakers and Celtics not in their "twilight" years when beat by the Pistons, so why so much credit to them in such case.
@ again they were at the end of the line and they did a helluva job in frustrating and beating consistently and they have that honor has being the ONLY team to do that. All good runs come to an end. They played within the rules at the time and its bend don’t break … heck the NBA was like that with the Lakers/Celtics/Sixers etc … physical basketball… I don’t care about asking players they couldn’t beat Detroit. Wilt was dominate that they had to put in rules to stop him and they had to put in rules to help Jordan because they marketed him as the Golden Boy and he is the sole reason the game went global. I don’t fault Stern either he saw a player that appealed to everyone.
@@TalkMyShiit You ignored the argument where ages were given & they were by no means "old". And Rodman was still young. You mean they played within the unspoken agreement to let teams VIOLATE the rules. Even when the rulebook was more lax, Detroit was the most egregious in violating them. Bill Lambeer? He would literally *try* to injure players, such as by positioning his foot underneath guys when they landed. They never should have gotten away with it; if they think they were so tough, let them play against professional fighters & have no rules so they can see how many plays it was before they all were knocked unconscious. That is why it was so satisfying for people when "Big Chief" Robert Parish took revenge against Lambeer-who even his own teammates did not like-with that infamous smash. A foul was not even called on the play! Normally I would oppose such Wild West B-Ball. But the Pistons played & were the Bad Guys.
In fairness, the Bulls front office made some acquisitions that are integral in forming a championship team. They knew MJ was their franchise player, along with the coaching staff's recommendations, they did some moves to get players to help MJ. Then the maturity came: MJ began to trust his team mates, he embraced the system Phil wanted him to understand, MJ pulled Scottie to be tough mentally as him, and the rest followed.
I.T. himself said "Even with the JORDAN RULES, he averaged 30 against us!" So imagine what he would have did if they played him straight up man to man . 1989 and 1990 he very well may have been able to beat them by himself but his teammates needed to step up and carry their own load 🐐
😂 Right?! I.T. basically admitted they threw the entire kitchen sink at MJ, and he STILL cooked them like it was a backyard barbecue. 🍗🔥 Can you imagine the chaos if they played him straight up? MJ might’ve dropped 60 and still had time to trash-talk Laimbeer on the way back to the bench. 🏀😅 And you’re 100% right-once his teammates leveled up, it was game over for the Bad Boys.
MAN, this was peak time for basketball shoes! As much as I loved MJ, I never was a big fan of most of his shoes. There are only about 2 or 3 styles that I like. I like the square toe box of those days. The big, clunky hi-tops. Converse, Reebok, Nike, Adidas. I actually have a pair similar to the Asics Isaiah is wearing with slightly different color trim.
👟🔥 Perfect for a GOAT like MJ 🐐. Totally agree-the 80s and 90s were the golden era for basketball shoes! 🏀 MJ's kicks were iconic, but the competition was fierce back then. Those clunky hi-tops you mentioned had so much character.
@FIRST5HOOPS So glad they have bought back so many old school shoes. I think they have slowed down releasing retros, but you can find them. Old school Jordans are one thing, but who thought the Reebok pumps would ever be manufactured again?
@@juanitadudley4788 Absolutely! It’s like a time machine for your feet bringing back those old-school kicks just hits differently. 🔥 The fact that Reebok Pumps made a comeback is wild, though who didn’t want to 'pump up' before hitting the court back in the day? 😂Retro Jordans and Pumps are proof that classics never go out of style.
💯 Facts only! MJ didn’t just play basketball, he redefined the game. His Airness wasn’t just the G.O.A.T. on the court, he became the global icon who made us all want to 'Be Like Mike.' 🐐🏀
My favourite moment was when he led the bulls to their 4th championship in 1996 against the Seattle supersonics and he shed tears of joy in the locker room.
Man, that moment still gives me chills! 🐐 Seeing MJ break down with the game ball after everything he’d been through was just unforgettable. It wasn’t just about basketball-it was about legacy, family, and coming full circle. And let’s not forget how he dominated GP and Kemp on the court while doing it! This HAS to be a future video
@@atchosergekagouehi3865 That moment was truly unforgettable and heart-wrenching. 🐐 You could see how deeply personal it was for MJ playing through that pain and still performing at such a high level shows his incredible strength and resilience.
@@atchosergekagouehi3865 That moment was truly unforgettable and carried so much weight. 🐐 MJ’s ability to channel the pain of losing his father into pure greatness on the court is something that resonates deeply with so many of us. It wasn’t just about basketball it was about honoring his father’s memory and turning heartbreak into triumph. That Finals performance, with him collapsing on the floor clutching the ball, is etched in history as a symbol of resilience and love
Wow, you got to witness that live?! 🔥 That triple-clutch layup was pure magic, defying gravity in a way only MJ could! 😱 Moments like that remind us why he's the GOAT. Your perspective is gold and inspires our future videos, stay tuned for more epic MJ moments! 🏀❤
😂Honestly, Laimbeer probably still has nightmares about that one. MJ dunking on his head wasn’t just a highlight it was a public service for basketball fans everywhere! 🐐 Bad Boys defense?
That’s the GOAT effect, making everyone drop what they’re doing! 😅 MJ doesn’t just break defenses; he breaks daily routines too. We’re cooking up more MJ bangers, so stay tuned! 🏀🔥
This was the series that Chicago had to endure in order to play against the Lakers in the NBA finals. You have to keep in mind, the Detroit Pistons would it raining 2x defending NBA champions at the time.
🔥 "Absolutely legendary! Beating Magic and the Lakers was like MJ getting his crown for the first time. That shrug in Game 5 was the moment he was like, 'Yep, I’m here now! What’s crazier? The fact that he averaged over 31 points in those Finals or that he did it with style only MJ could pull off? 🏀👑
@@mjareacts2731 💪 Absolutely! The Pistons were basically a basketball version of a brick wall covered in nails. The 'Jordan Rules' were their last-ditch effort to stop MJ, but we all know how THAT turned out.
Absolutely! MJ’s individual dominance was on full display from the start, even when the Bulls were still building around him. 💯 The fact that he won scoring titles AND made the All-Defensive First Team before the championships says everything about his greatness.
Was so happy for him when they beat the Pistons it was even sweeter that they swept them and the Pistons were no longer in the title picture after that.
😂 SAME HERE! That sweep felt like Christmas morning for every Bulls fan-like MJ personally delivered the Pistons a one-way ticket to 'Vacation Island.' 🏖 And the cherry on top? Watching the 'Bad Boys' walk off the court without even shaking hands. Talk about the ultimate mic drop! 🎤 What was your favorite play from that series? Mine was every time MJ turned Laimbeer into his personal highlight reel! Like what MJ does in our Intro video here!😜🔥
@FIRST5HOOPS My favorite moment was game four when the cameras go to the Pistons bench reaction as time is winding down (right before the walk of shame) the deflated and desperate looks on their faces was like gold to me.
@@busydem6161 😂 Exactly! The Pistons were acting like they had it easy, but deep down they knew MJ was making their life miserable every time he stepped on the court. Dropping 28 to 30 points like it was light work? What’s crazier? The fact that MJ did it while getting hacked every other play! 😅🏀🔥
@@ericjohnson7632 😂 GOLD is an understatement-it was like winning the lottery as a Bulls fan! The Pistons' bench looked like they just realized their 'Jordan Rules' warranty had expired. 🤣 That walk of shame? Iconic.
A true classic! 🔥 That shrug moment after the sixth three-pointer was pure GOAT energy. It’s like MJ said, “I’m not just the best dunker; I’m the best shooter too…today, anyway.” 😂
Absolutely! 🏀🔥 Michael Jordan's influence on basketball is just as monumental as Muhammad Ali’s impact on boxing. Both transcended their sports to become global icons, inspiring millions with their unmatched skill, charisma, and relentless drive to be the best
Absolutely! No one wins rings solo-it’s a team game at the end of the day. But let’s be real, MJ’s 'help' had to level up just to keep up with the greatness he was already bringing to the court. 😂 Pippen and the crew were like, 'We can’t let Mike do everything forever!
😂 Rodman had one mission CHAOS! But hey, who else could clobber Pippen and then end up being his teammate the next season? Only Dennis “The Worm” Rodman could pull that off LOL!
@@FIRST5HOOPS I hated all the Bad Boys! And then ironically Rodman Salley and Edwards ended up on our side. Rodman was an amazing player. I have come to respect the majority of those Pistons players nowadays except Isiah Laimbeer and Aguirre 😆
That’s a fun idea! Those years were definitely a challenge for MJ and the Bulls it was like a classic Rocky training montage, but with a basketball twist. 😂 Just make sure to add the part where MJ and the Bulls came back with the ultimate revenge after ’91. That’s where the story gets spicy! 🐐
@ from 1988-1990 Isiah dominated Jordan and the bulls. If it weren’t for Isiah’s broken wrist in 1991 they could have pulled that off too. 3 always Beats 1. Isiah is lucky to be the only won to have dominated Jordan through their careers. That will always be the one stat you will fail to mention.
@@waverider2914 LOL, fair enough! Isiah and the Bad Boys had their moment, no doubt about that. MJ went through some serious playoff hazing at the hands of Detroit. But let’s be honest, dominating a young MJ from ’88-’90 is like bragging you beat up a caterpillar before it became a butterfly. 😏 And as for that “3 beats 1” stat, sure, but when that 1 comes with a sweep in ’91 and ends the Pistons’ dynasty, it hits a little different, doesn’t it? 👀 Let’s not forget, Jordan didn’t just win, he made them walk off the court without a handshake.
@@FIRST5HOOPS ok so you wanna play that card? Then I can say the pistons were too old by that time. And oh by the way Isiah broke his wrist that year so he was a shell of himself. We can go and on. Just admit Isiah dominated Jordan for 3 straight years and sending him to the golf course every year. You can say jordan was too young and make excuses. Any excuse you make I will return it with a pistons excuse.
@@waverider2914 Haha, fair play, you’ve got the “excuse vs. excuse” game down! 😂 But let’s be real, Isiah and the Bad Boys were absolutely dominant during those years, no argument there. MJ had to level up mentally and physically to finally overcome them. It’s like Detroit was MJ’s final boss before he could unlock his GOAT status. 🏀 And yeah, by 1991, the Pistons weren’t in their prime, and Isiah’s injury played a role, but isn’t that what makes the story so legendary? The torch was passed, not because one team fell off, but because MJ forced his way to the top. And after sweeping Detroit that year, he didn’t just send them to the golf course… he retired their dynasty. 😏
The Pistons played to win by any means necessary. MJ developed the same attitude. Difference is he dominated for a decade while the Bad Boys were on top for 2 years. They beat MJ up, and he beat the entire league up!
Ah, the BEST times! Watching MJ and the Bulls back in the day was like a basketball masterclass every game. Those rivalries, those clutch moments… you couldn’t take your eyes off it! 🏀🔥
"LOL, true! The Pistons definitely had their moment… until MJ realized they couldn’t handle air traffic control. 🤷♂ That ‘1-3’ must’ve really hurt because he turned the tables and swept them right out of relevance in ‘91. 😏 Funny how they went from ‘Bad Boys’ to Sad Boys real quick! 😂
@@FIRST5HOOPS Man, you must be one of those guys born after the facts, and who looks at those facts backwards. You are telling me that the Bulls beat the Pistons because Jordan realized this and that. The fact is, the Pistons were cooked in 1991. Just like MJ was cooked in 93 AND RETIRED for a year and a half. LOL You see, it wasn't that quick. It started in 87, then 88, then 89, then 90. The Bad Boys were robbed of a three-peat against the Lakers , don't commit the stupid error of underestimating their historic relevance just because your idol is still butt-hurt about them.
@@elnardowebster2842 LOL, fair point! The Pistons definitely earned their place in history as one of the toughest teams ever, no denying that. MJ himself admitted that facing the Bad Boys made him stronger and pushed the Bulls to a whole new level. But hey, about that almost three-peat, the Lakers did what MJ would later perfect, they stopped the party when it mattered most. 😏 Still, we gotta admit, the Pistons walked so the Bulls could fly. Without those epic battles, Jordan’s rise might not have been so legendary. So let’s call it what it was, one of the most brutal and beautiful rivalries in basketball history.
@@FIRST5HOOPS You are still looking at the Piston as MJ's trampoline. Man they wasn't. They were MJ's nightmare, and still are. Nike and Jordan like to rewrite history at their convenience, but there are people who were there as things happened. 3-1 for eternity.
The Bad Boys era was definitely one-of-a-kind! 💪 The physicality, rivalries, and raw intensity made every game unforgettable. It’s hard not to miss that grit today. Imagine if the current NBA allowed those kinds of fouls today.
💯 Respect where respect is due-that Pistons lineup was stacked like a basketball version of the Avengers (but, you know, the villains). 😜 MJ had to go through a literal gauntlet to take them down. What’s crazy is he didn’t just beat them; he made sure they were never the same afterward.
The only reason they weren't the same afterward is they were old. For the first half of the 1990-1991 season, they were in first place. Age and injuries caught up with them. Don't forget Mark Aguirre was also on the Pistons then. Had nothing to do with Jordan making sure they were never the same. Father time is what beat the Pistons, who nearly 3 peated then
Isiah and dumars are not tough they were small the rest were tough rodman, lambeer and mahorn. That was jordans only challenge after that The NBa protrcted Jordan and turned the league on a soft path
That’s a perspective I’ve heard before! The ‘Bad Boy’ Pistons definitely had their enforcers, but don’t sleep on Isiah and Dumars they had the brains to match the brawn. As for the league softening up, some say it helped create the fast-paced, high-scoring NBA we see today. What’s your take on how Jordan would have handled the modern league today?
😂Rich kid thug! That’s one way to put it. Laimbeer definitely embraced the villain role, and he wasn’t shy about dishing out hard fouls! Love the humor keep it coming! 😂🏀
The Knicks? 😂 Oh man, they were like MJ’s personal highlight reel factory! Every time they thought, ‘This is our year!’ MJ was like, ‘Nah, this is my mixtape!’ He turned MSG into the 'Michael Jordan Show.' 🏀🔥
😂 Right?! The Pistons were out there playing football while MJ was inventing new ways to fly! 🏀✈ They threw cheap shots, elbows, and probably the kitchen sink at him, but MJ just kept coming back like, 'Is that all you got?!' 😤🔥 Those 'Jordan Rules' were more like desperate prayers.
True, the Pistons gave MJ hell early on, but let’s not forget-MJ took all those beatdowns, came back stronger, and sent them packing! 😂 As for the Warriors or Spurs, MJ probably would’ve turned them into highlight reels too. 🏀🔥
Isiah will always be crying that Jordan was better than him and Laimbeer will always be known as the dirtiest player in the NBA....their is a reason Detroit called the "Dirty Pistons"...
😂 "Right?! Those 'Bad Boys' were basically like the final boss in a basketball video game. You had to take a beating just to get past them! MJ didn’t just beat them-he downloaded the cheat codes and DESTROYED them! What's your favorite 'Bad Boys' moment? Maybe Laimbeer flopping again? 😜
@FIRST5HOOPS It was taking as well as they gave and gave some more but let's not forget Stern's view of Jordan as their moneymaker so rules had to be changed for him. I like the "final boss" comparison.
@@wolvmarine313 😂 Exactly! The 'final boss' analogy fits perfectly-MJ was like, 'Insert coin, let’s go again!' And you're spot on about Stern-Jordan wasn’t just a player, he was THE NBA brand.
the pistons were denied a 3-peat, isiah thought that he would be the next star after the exit of magic and bird, isiah being a native of chicago was hated by chicago fans bcoz of his jordan rules, isiah blaming MJ for his not inclusion in the dream team 1992 - these are but few of the reasons why isiah hated MJ till now. isiah is an immature and self-centered human being.
That’s definitely a loaded history! 🏀 The Jordan Rules alone were enough to make Chicago fans fume, but the Dream Team drama added a whole new layer. Love him or hate him, Isiah was a huge part of MJ’s journey to greatness. The rivalry gave us some of the most intense games in NBA history.
This commentator is lost!In 88 if you gave Jordan the same team he had in 91 he would have beaten Detroit way before 91!Jordan was always a willing passer since his days in North Carolina!He just needed Scottie and the rest of that roster to elevate their games!Phil Jackson was also instrumental by virtue of allowing Tex Winter to bring in the triangle offense that allowed all players to touch the ball within the offense!This guy is not explaining it the way it was!I notice that people conveniently come up with these revisionist history takes like it’s not people like myself who will debunk these myths!
Respect to Zeke for that one! 👏 But let’s be real, MJ didn’t just even the score; he flipped the whole narrative once the Bulls hit their stride. Isiah might’ve had the edge early on, but by the time MJ was done, the Pistons were sent into retirement mode.
😂 Let’s just say they brought a 'unique' style to the game! The Pistons played like they were auditioning for WWE, but MJ took all their hits and still came out on top. 🏀🔥 By the time he swept them, the Bulls were the real enforcers.
@@FIRST5HOOPS your point is well taken. But after all the success he had in the WNBA coaching ranks, one has to wonder, why hasn't the league selected him to step up, especially the organization he helped make a back-to-back champion?
@@granvillewalkerjr.8394 🤔 You’ve got a point there! Love him or hate him, Laimbeer was always about winning, whether on the court or the sidelines. Maybe the league isn’t ready for his “Bad Boy” energy at the helm of an NBA team. What do you think, should Laimbeer get another shot in the NBA, or was he better suited for the WNBA’s style?
@@FIRST5HOOPS Laimbeer's efforts in the WNBA were magnified by the fact that every player innately recognized anything less than their absolute best would further handicap the popularity of their game. You know the old adage: "Number two tries harder". Leslie, Swoops, Taurasi and other greats carried that burden accordingly, but I believe it wasn't until Clark's debut that league appeal elevated. But to offer a direct reply to the question, Laimbeer's style wouldn't be accepted in today's NBA.
@@granvillewalkerjr.8394 You’re absolutely right, Laimbeer’s style would definitely clash with today’s NBA pace and rules! And it’s fascinating how players like Taurasi and Leslie carried the WNBA’s growth under that pressure.
The Title: See, this is what people don't understand about 'The Bad Boys', The Detroit Pistons from 1987-1991, it wasn't a one-on-one or two-on-one game, it was about half court execution with the Pistons and using their entire team to dismantle an opponent MENTALLY. The game the Pistons played was so 'mental' that upon the Pistons losing and ending their championship run, THEY ENDED THEIR OWN CHAMPIONSHIP RUN, nobody beat them. Want proof? The proof is what actually happened. Look at what the Pistons did in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and just 9 shots in game 2; Joe Dumars took just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 2; Bill Laimbeer took only 7 shots in game 1 and just 2 shots in game 2 while Pistons coach, Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing James Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3. Well, if your scorers don't shoot and your coach doesn't play your front court guys major minutes, what will happen against anyone? You will lose. If Detroit did this in 1991 vs. Atlanta or vs. Boston, they would have lost. If Detroit did this in 1990 vs. Chicago or in the Finals in '90 vs. Portland, THEY WOULD HAVE LOST. Detroit did this in 1991 against a Bulls' team they were 26-9 against eliminating them 3 straight seasons from 1988-1990. So their scorers chose not to shoot and their coaching staff decided not to play Salley and Edwards in games 2-3 and they expected to win? Do you really believe that Michael Jordan could take just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 while Pippen could take just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 3 while Grant could take only 7 shots in game 1 and just 2 shots in game 2 while Phil Jackson could play Cartwright only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing Grant only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 of any series, much less the 1991 ECF and the Bulls would actually win? Do you really think that if this took place in 1991 vs. Detroit or even in 1993 vs. New York that somehow the Bulls would be trying to win that series? Well, that's what the Pistons did and yet everyone talks about how 'great' the Bulls were or how Jordan 'overcame' Detroit? No, the Pistons did this 100% on their own. Officials/Injuries: The Pistons didn't lose the 1991 ECF due to the injuries they had (5 of their 8 man rotation injured) and the officials giving Chicago a 117-76 foul shot attempt advantage from games 1-3, which if you do the math, just on simple math, there's no way Detroit could have won any of the first 3 games: Game 1: Chicago won 94-83, Chicago shot 37 foul shots, Detroit 15; Game 2: Chicago on 105-97, Chicago shot 45 foul shots, Detroit 25; Game 3@The Palace: Chicago won 113-107, Detroit shot 36 foul shots, Chicago 35. Just do the math, you get 117 foul shots, your opponent gets only 76. That's 41 more foul shots Chicago received over Detroit, so that's 13 more foul shots Detroit could have received from games 1-3 just if you wanted to be fair and even. That season, the Pistons shot 76% from the line, ironically, the Bulls shot 76% from the line as well. So see, you have an EVEN series. Chicago won by 11 in game 1, so that's 22 more foul shots by the Bulls (37-15). Game 2, Chicago won by 8 and received 20 more foul shots than Detroit (45-25). So you see? ... When you actually have such a foul shooting disparity for one team than the other when both teams shoot 76% from the line and Detroit has eliminated Chicago 3 straight seasons. Off the bench, for the Pistons, Mark Aguirre averaged 19 points per game in games 1-3 while Vinnie Johnson averaged 25 points per game. See, so that's Detroit's bench. So yes, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Bill Laimbeer had to not shoot from games 1-3, Thomas and Laimbeer took off games 1-2 and Dumars game 2. The Pistons lost the 1991 ECF on purpose, Chuck Daly did his part and the refs did their part, those are the facts, that's the bottom line. So let's say you don't believe this, well what did the Pistons do in the summer of 1991? Pistons GM, Jack McCloskey waived Vinnie Johnson and traded James Edwards to the Clippers. So ask yourself: Why would the Pistons break up their title-contending team? Even if you felt you lost for whatever reason, why not go back and get revenge? Why break up the team? You lost in '87, didn't break up the team, you added James Edwards in '88, you lost in '88, didn't break up the team, just added Mark Aguirre in '89 for Dantley, in '89 you lost Mahorn in the expansion draft and still won in 1989-90. So you lost in '91, so why not improve? Why break up that team? So Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards are scorers and Edwards has size and Johnson was named, 'The Microwave' due to his ability to heat-up in a hurry. So you replace them with Darrell Walker, who was a non-scorer and Orlando Woolridge an under-sized power forward who couldn't rebound, had no size and couldn't create his own shot in the post. So now your game is stagnant. Detroit went from an injured team in 1990-91 trying to 3-peat going to 4 straight NBA Finals still winning 50 games and making it to the ECF with Johnson/Edwards to being totally healthy in 1991-92 without Edwards/Johnson winning only 48 games and losing in the first round to the Knicks -- that's the impact of James Edwards and Vinnie Johnson, two rounds. Chicago went from winning the title in 1993 with Jordan to not having him in '93-'94 and losing in the 2nd round -- that's a two round decline. When Jordan came back in 1994-95 with 17 games left, Chicago didn't have Horace Grant, they lost in the 2nd round, that's a two round decline. The Bulls get Rodman in 1995-96 with Jordan and win the title, a 2 round upgrade, also the had Salley and Edwards on the downside of their careers having to face the likes of Mourning, Ewing, Shaq, and possibly Hakeem, well with Rodman for the next two seasons without Edwards/Salley they win the title. You need a front court who can rebound, defend, and take care of the boards, even with Jordan, Chicago couldn't win with a power forward like Grant or Rodman, that's a two round decline. Detroit lost Mahorn in '89 and still won the title, they lose Edwards/Vinnie Johnson in '91 and have a two round decline.
Wow, this is one of the most detailed breakdowns of the Pistons' fall I’ve seen, mad respect for the research! 🙌 You’re right, the ’91 ECF wasn’t as simple as “MJ and the Bulls dominated.” Between Chuck Daly’s lineup decisions, injuries, and the free-throw disparity, it’s clear the Pistons had more going on behind the scenes. But here’s where it gets interesting, Jordan still had to overcome that mental hurdle of beating Detroit. Even if the Pistons weren’t at their peak in ’91, the Bad Boys’ years of dominance had built up this rivalry that felt like a mountain for MJ to climb. And when he swept them, it wasn’t just a win, it was a psychological breakthrough that defined his career. What’s your take, do you think Daly and the Pistons deliberately stepped back in ’91, or was it just the natural end of a dynasty?
@@FIRST5HOOPS My Take: I've always stated IN MY OPINION that Chuck Daly was given that Olympic Team job prior to the 1990-91 season as the Pistons were going for a 3-peat as a possible reward for what he 'had' to do in 1991. Remember, Daly was named Olympic Team coach even though Riley had 5 rings total, 4 as a head coach named coach of the Decade in the 80's. Remember the 'Dream Team' documentary? They told you what happened when Chuck Daly tried to get the NBA player's attention vs. the college players in practice. I couldn't believe they left that and put that in the documentary: Coach K told the truth in how Chuck Daly didn't make adjustments and left Jordan on the bench and as the Dream Team was losing, Chuck just 'let them lose' so the players could listen to him .... See? He did the same thing in the 1991 ECF vs. Chicago by playing John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 and playing James Edwards just 11 minutes in game 2 and only 9 minutes in game 3 -- which is why I keep pointing out to look at this logically, just reverse it and say if Phil Jackson did the same by playing Cartwright only 9 minutes in game 2 and just playing Grant only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 ... Had Phil Jackson did that in '91 vs. Detroit he would have been fired while the players like Jordan, Pippen, and Grant didn't shoot the ball in games 1-3. You see? Everyone would know either Jordan was compromised, Phil needs to be fired or something foul went down ...but because people 'hated' the Pistons, they wanted them out of the way, so nobody looks at actual basketball strategy, intelligence, and how to break down an opponent, nevermind the business and politics involved. I only show the 'other side' so people can see it makes no logical sense for a team trying to win to do those things ON PURPOSE. Your shot attempts are done ON PURPOSE and the coach plays players ON PURPOSE. The choices the Pistons as a group made through Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer not shooting in games 1-3 while Daly not playing Salley/Edwards were done ON PURPOSE. The Pistons 'walk-off' was ON PURPOSE, the Pistons breaking up their title-contending team was done ON PURPOSE. It wasn't an accident. The Facts: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 (say Jordan did that, what would happen?); Dumars took just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 3 (say Pippen did that, what would happen?); Laimbeer took just 7 shots in game 1 and only 2 shots in game 2 (say Grant did that, what would happen?) Daly played Salley just 9 minutes in game 2 (say Phil Jackson did that to Cartwright, what would happen?) and Daly played Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 (say Phil Jackson did that to Grant, what would have happened?) See, it doesn't make sense, those moves would have NOTHING to do with an opponent. Common Sense: I don't mind the Pistons losing for the 4-0 sweep told me that something didn't make sense when it happened. I knew that team, their tendencies, and that Bulls' team was a CBA team without Jordan that, at best, without Jordan during the 1990-91 season would have been on the level of a 7th or 8th seed at best. Pistons/Bulls Rivalry: See, the Pistons/Bulls didn't have the type of rivalry that Boston/Philly had from 1980-85 where Philly won in '80, Boston in '81, Philly in '82, and Boston in '85 ... No. The Pistons dominated the Bulls from 1988-1990 with a 26-9 record against them, eliminating them 3 straight seasons in the playoffs while winning back-to-back titles, playing against more mentally tougher teams like the Celtics ('87, '88) and Lakers ('88, '89) in the process. So now in 1990-91, Detroit just forgets how to win a game against that team? Remember, Boston had Bird, McHale, and Parish -- 3 guys who could create double teams out on the perimeter and in the post; the Lakers had Magic, Worthy, and Kareem -- 3 guys who could create double teams out on the perimeter and in the post; Chicago only had one guy.HAHAHA! Detroit won with defense and half court execution. So the back-to-back champions Pistons are so UNDISCIPLINED defensively in 1990-91 that they could incur a 117-76 foul shot attempt advantage from games 1-3? It makes no sense. Note: I'm not saying the Pistons lost due to injury or the refs, I'm saying clearly based upon what the Pistons did themselves, they LET CHICAGO WIN ON PURPOSE. The Sweep: What let's me know Detroit let Chicago win on purpose was the sweep itself. If it was 4-1, 4-2, and/or 4-3 Chicago, and the Pistons played hard, ran their offense through, and competed by playing their front court the normal minutes while being offensively aggressive and Detroit lost, I could accept that ....but it's just like when people say that when Magic is injured in '89 and Scott is out for the series, well it's obvious Detroit is going to win, they should win, your starting back court is out. HAHAHAHA If Detroit's scorers don't shoot and the coaching staff doesn't play the front court their major minutes, Detroit would lose vs. anybody. Just look at how hard Detroit played vs. Boston in 1991, Thomas got injured in that series in game 1, missed games 2 and 4 and came off the bench in games 5-6, look at how hard that team played, ran their offense, played their front court, was disciplined offensively and defensively, moved the ball, etc... two days later vs. Chicago in the ECF Detroit just gave away those first two games easily ... then look at game 3 vs. Chicago? Look at how Isiah Thomas was controlling the game -- he didn't run the offense at all, he was passive and passive-aggressive and there's a reason why vs. Boston he came off the bench, then inserted himself into the game for game 1 vs. Chicago when Vinnie Johnson/Dumars had a good thing going starting while Aguirre, Thomas, Salley came off the bench vs. Boston ... I don't blame Thomas for wanting to start vs. Chicago, that's normal, but he wasn't aggressive, didn't push the ball, didn't look to score, didn't get the team into their offense consistently. Why not? See?
@@FIRST5HOOPS PART II My Response: MENTAL HURDLE: If you are Michael Jordan, how are you mad when you win 4-0? You know how hard it was for you to beat the Pistons. Remember, it was on the NBA @ 50 documentary and in other interviews, Jordan stated after game 7 in 1990 his father had to console him on the back of the bus because he was screaming at his teammates being disappointed ... So Jordan knew how hard it was to win, right? He was on the court, fans weren't but Jordan knows. Jordan lost 4-1 in '88 while being MVP; 4-2 in '89 and 4-3 in '90 while improving, so now in '91 it's that easy huh? ... That easy 4-0? Remember, Jordan stated that his father said that he has a competition problem. One thing a guy with a competition problem hates is if you LET HIM WIN. Why do you think Isiah Thomas and the rest of those guys didn't compete in '91? It's a mental game between Thomas vs. Jordan, which is why Isiah Thomas keeps saying LeBron James is greater, Laimbeer says the same thing -- which they know it's not true. It's a mental game. So NO, Jordan still hasn't gotten over that mental hurdle of Isiah Thomas-led Pistons because he made a documentary, 'The Last Dance' with liquor and bloodshot red eyes talking about that series saying Thomas was an a**hole and he hated Thomas. Well, why would you want a handshake from a guy you hated and thought was an a**hole? It wouldn't matter, right? But Jordan wanted/needed Thomas to validate him, that's what upset him and he spoke against Thomas being on the Olympic Team due to Thomas not shaking his hand. Isiah Thomas stated on 'The Pivot' as well as back in 1991-92 as did Laimbeer as to why they didn't shake hands. Thomas stated after game 3, Jordan talked to the media and disrespected the Pistons as men and champions saying they were 'undeserving champions' and 'bad for the game' -- and no defending NBA champion had been disrespected like that upon being beaten, so Laimbeer stated it was intentional on his part and Thomas stated they walked off. Note: The 3 guys that led the infamous 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas. You see? They did this on purpose. And yes, the Pistons did shake hands: Joe Dumars, John Salley, Vinnie Johnson, and Chuck Daly shook hands; Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, James Edwards, and Dennis Rodman did not shake hands. Why didn't Jordan complain about Edwards and Rodman not shaking hands? It didn't stop Jordan from having Edwards/Rodman on the Bulls in 1995-96 and Rodman from 1995-96 to 1997-98, did it? So 3 bench guys on the 1989 Pistons: Edwards, Rodman, and Salley were put on the Bulls on the downside of their careers making the greatest Chicago Bulls team of all-time, the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls. This is how POWERFUL that Pistons team was, which is why the league had to systematically break it up to usher in 'The Jordan-Era'. 1989-1993: Remember, from 1989-1993, the Pistons lost the following guys -- Rick Mahorn '89, Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards '91 and John Salley in '92. That Pistons team was so good, they could lose Rick Mahorn in '89 and still win in '89-'90. So even if you believe Chicago won legit in '91, why wouldn't the Pistons just keep their team together to get revenge for the 1991-92 season? Why waive Vinnie Johnson and trade James Edwards to the Clippers if you are Pistons, GM, Jack McCloskey? See, Detroit 'had' to break up that team. Perhaps McCloskey had 'no choice', same with Daly in his coaching decisions and Thomas, Dumars, and Laimbeer in their shot attempts? This is why I always say that the 'walk-off' was a peaceful protest about what the league was making the Pistons do to make sure Jordan won in '91 and kept winning from 1991-1993, the only team beaten Jordan was an Isiah Thomas-led Pistons team. Even to this day, Isiah Thomas was the last guy to defeat Michael Jordan in the playoffs when Jordan had a full training camp. This is how GREAT Isiah Thomas and the Pistons were -- they were so MASTERFUL they controlled HOW THEY LOST.
😂 You’re not wrong, the Pistons basically played basketball AND MMA at the same time! But hey, credit where it’s due, they used every tactic in the book, and it worked… for a while. Then MJ came along, rewrote the book, and made sure their 'dirty tricks' ended with a clean sweep!
😂😂They didn’t get the “Bad Boys” nickname for being choirboys, that’s for sure! Love them or hate them, though, you have to admit their defense was brutal. Imagine the Pistons playing today flagrant fouls everywhere! Who do you think would survive a full game against them ask LeBron 😂? 💀🏀
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His Legendary career was saved when they drafted Scottie Pippen.
@@jerryclesca2163 Scottie was definitely the perfect partner in crime! 🏀 MJ had the talent and drive, and Scottie brought the versatility and defense to match. Together, they became unstoppable. But let’s not forget, MJ was already putting up historic numbers even before Scottie came along.
Determined not desperate. Desperate is forming a superteam to win a championship. Determined was staying loyal to the franchise that drafted you and working with players that was available to you to win a championship.
Nah he did that with the 2nd threepeat … he had to get one of his tormentors in Rodman and another foe in Ron Harper … but whatever you say, buddy
@@TalkMyShiitNah young man, he didn't even know that Jerry Krause was in the making of hiring Dennis. Phil and Jerry had a meeting at Jerry's house and they called MJ and Scottie Over and asked them what do he think about Dennis joining the team and MJ said he's a helluva rebounder and as long as he behave. Know Your history young brother 😊😊❤
Right. In those days franchises didn't make "super teams" to try and win. It was all about people who could and did play their position. It's like Kerr hitting that shot against the Jazz to win the championship. MJ trusted Kerr and it paid off. They didn't need to bring over Starks or Olajuwon.
@@TalkMyShiit Haha! Yeah, Ron Harper who was in his 10th season. He was 30 and averaged less than 10 points a game. And Rodman was a 1 stat player who was going to be out of the league if the Bulls hadn't picked him up. The Spurs showed he was a menace, and Jordan and Pippen would regularly have to tackle him to the ground to keep from being ejected. He was a joke, and hardly the reason the Bulls won their next 3 peat.
@@MikeSchmidt969most casual comment ever. Both MJ and Pip have said multiple times they needed Rodman. One stat player? That made the HOF? You’re a 🤡
I don't give a damm what others say, Michael Jordan was and will be the best in basketball history
🔥 Preach it, my friend!
When I saw the “I’m back” fax I literally lost it and cried like a baby! Best moment in sports history.
@@riseharris5204 That is almost 30 years ago. March 18, 1995. “I’m Back” Felt like yesterday! Two Words only but very impactful at that time.
If lebron encounter this kind of Piston's badboys he will definitely will not made that long in the NBA.
It was not Jordan who had to learn how to play through the Pistons. It was his teammates who learned to play through them.
💯 Preach! MJ was out there dropping buckets like it was a clinic, but the Pistons knew the only way to stop the Bulls was to gang up on the rest of the squad. Once MJ’s teammates learned to punch back (figuratively... and sometimes literally 😂), the Pistons didn’t stand a chance. 🏀🔥 Which teammate do you think had the biggest impact in that turnaround?
@FIRST5HOOPS he also set up his teammates in 89 and 90 alot, but they could not convert many of his passes.
@@TheULMOnaut 😂 Right?! MJ was out there dishing dimes like a basketball chef, serving his teammates on a silver platter, and they were like, 'Nah, I’m full.' 🍽🏀
To your point Jordan was always doing enough if he had been on a different team. Michael put on a bit of muscle to adjust to the physicality of the Pistons during the stretch.
He demanded more from his teammates as well. It certainly all had to all come together in order to be the dominant Force they were.
@Bigblueape exactly.
This video was so good.. I decided to Watch the full Game 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀. Thanks
😂 That’s what I’m talking about! MJ’s games have that magic, you start with a highlight reel and next thing you know, you’re deep into the full game like it’s the NBA Finals all over again. 🏀🔥 Glad you enjoyed the video!
Pre-championship Jordan was more exciting to watch than 90's Jordan. He did some great things, but Air Jordan was 84-90. Trying to win with extreme athleticism. Then he learned how to win and his game changed.
You nailed it! Pre-championship MJ was like a fireworks show explosive, raw, and unpredictable. Watching him back then was like witnessing pure athletic poetry in motion 🔥🏀
Just a reminder to those who say the Pistons were old when MJ beat them. The Pistons were back to back champs and going for a 3peat when Mike & the Bulls put em out handily.
They were in their twilight … it’s the truth you act like it was 88-90 Detroit … he couldn’t beat them in their PRIME. Then in 1991 he cried so much they created the flagrant foul system to restrict the physical play and in combo with an older Detroit finally got over Mt Everest … Detroit beat him while in his prime and Magic and Larry as well. They would’ve three peated first if not for a bullshit phantom foul against LA in 88. MJ never beat Boston in the prime, beat a declining Detroit dynasty, and beat an old Lakers squad without Kareem in their twilight.
@TalkMyShiit Isaiah Thomas was 30.Dumars was 28 ..in what world is 30 considered twilight yrs for an nba player? Please don't pretend like the bad boy pistons aren't the dirtiest team in league history. If we ask all the teams/players from that era they would agree. They were getting away with craziness evn by ole school rules. You must be one hell of a Bill Laimbeer fan to ignore all the facts. P.S. let's keep it on Detroit, by not doing so you're further proving my point & for the sake of playing your game were the Lakers and Celtics not in their "twilight" years when beat by the Pistons, so why so much credit to them in such case.
@ again they were at the end of the line and they did a helluva job in frustrating and beating consistently and they have that honor has being the ONLY team to do that. All good runs come to an end. They played within the rules at the time and its bend don’t break … heck the NBA was like that with the Lakers/Celtics/Sixers etc … physical basketball… I don’t care about asking players they couldn’t beat Detroit. Wilt was dominate that they had to put in rules to stop him and they had to put in rules to help Jordan because they marketed him as the Golden Boy and he is the sole reason the game went global. I don’t fault Stern either he saw a player that appealed to everyone.
Not true, excuses, they were beaten
@@TalkMyShiit You ignored the argument where ages were given & they were by no means "old". And Rodman was still young.
You mean they played within the unspoken agreement to let teams VIOLATE the rules. Even when the rulebook was more lax, Detroit was the most egregious in violating them.
Bill Lambeer? He would literally *try* to injure players, such as by positioning his foot underneath guys when they landed.
They never should have gotten away with it; if they think they were so tough, let them play against professional fighters & have no rules so they can see how many plays it was before they all were knocked unconscious.
That is why it was so satisfying for people when "Big Chief" Robert Parish took revenge against Lambeer-who even his own teammates did not like-with that infamous smash.
A foul was not even called on the play!
Normally I would oppose such Wild West B-Ball.
But the Pistons played & were the Bad Guys.
In fairness, the Bulls front office made some acquisitions that are integral in forming a championship team. They knew MJ was their franchise player, along with the coaching staff's recommendations, they did some moves to get players to help MJ. Then the maturity came: MJ began to trust his team mates, he embraced the system Phil wanted him to understand, MJ pulled Scottie to be tough mentally as him, and the rest followed.
I.T. himself said "Even with the JORDAN RULES, he averaged 30 against us!" So imagine what he would have did if they played him straight up man to man . 1989 and 1990 he very well may have been able to beat them by himself but his teammates needed to step up and carry their own load 🐐
😂 Right?! I.T. basically admitted they threw the entire kitchen sink at MJ, and he STILL cooked them like it was a backyard barbecue. 🍗🔥 Can you imagine the chaos if they played him straight up? MJ might’ve dropped 60 and still had time to trash-talk Laimbeer on the way back to the bench. 🏀😅 And you’re 100% right-once his teammates leveled up, it was game over for the Bad Boys.
MAN, this was peak time for basketball shoes! As much as I loved MJ, I never was a big fan of most of his shoes. There are only about 2 or 3 styles that I like. I like the square toe box of those days. The big, clunky hi-tops. Converse, Reebok, Nike, Adidas. I actually have a pair similar to the Asics Isaiah is wearing with slightly different color trim.
👟🔥 Perfect for a GOAT like MJ 🐐. Totally agree-the 80s and 90s were the golden era for basketball shoes! 🏀 MJ's kicks were iconic, but the competition was fierce back then. Those clunky hi-tops you mentioned had so much character.
@FIRST5HOOPS So glad they have bought back so many old school shoes. I think they have slowed down releasing retros, but you can find them. Old school Jordans are one thing, but who thought the Reebok pumps would ever be manufactured again?
@@juanitadudley4788 Absolutely! It’s like a time machine for your feet bringing back those old-school kicks just hits differently. 🔥 The fact that Reebok Pumps made a comeback is wild, though who didn’t want to 'pump up' before hitting the court back in the day? 😂Retro Jordans and Pumps are proof that classics never go out of style.
His Airness = The G.O.A.T.
💯 Facts only! MJ didn’t just play basketball, he redefined the game. His Airness wasn’t just the G.O.A.T. on the court, he became the global icon who made us all want to 'Be Like Mike.' 🐐🏀
My favourite moment was when he led the bulls to their 4th championship in 1996 against the Seattle supersonics and he shed tears of joy in the locker room.
Man, that moment still gives me chills! 🐐 Seeing MJ break down with the game ball after everything he’d been through was just unforgettable. It wasn’t just about basketball-it was about legacy, family, and coming full circle. And let’s not forget how he dominated GP and Kemp on the court while doing it! This HAS to be a future video
He was remembering his father's brutal death,yes that was the greatest moment.
@@atchosergekagouehi3865 That moment was truly unforgettable and heart-wrenching. 🐐 You could see how deeply personal it was for MJ playing through that pain and still performing at such a high level shows his incredible strength and resilience.
@@atchosergekagouehi3865 That moment was truly unforgettable and carried so much weight. 🐐 MJ’s ability to channel the pain of losing his father into pure greatness on the court is something that resonates deeply with so many of us. It wasn’t just about basketball it was about honoring his father’s memory and turning heartbreak into triumph. That Finals performance, with him collapsing on the floor clutching the ball, is etched in history as a symbol of resilience and love
ALL OF IT!!! But thst tripple clutch reverse layup was disgusting!!! I saw it live and i dam near lost my mind ehen i saw him do it!!!!
Wow, you got to witness that live?! 🔥 That triple-clutch layup was pure magic, defying gravity in a way only MJ could! 😱 Moments like that remind us why he's the GOAT. Your perspective is gold and inspires our future videos, stay tuned for more epic MJ moments! 🏀❤
When he dunks on lambiers head 😂
😂Honestly, Laimbeer probably still has nightmares about that one. MJ dunking on his head wasn’t just a highlight it was a public service for basketball fans everywhere! 🐐 Bad Boys defense?
Stopped mid stroke for this banger
That’s the GOAT effect, making everyone drop what they’re doing! 😅 MJ doesn’t just break defenses; he breaks daily routines too. We’re cooking up more MJ bangers, so stay tuned! 🏀🔥
The first championship title against the Lakes was the best for me!!!!🔥💯🎯
This was the series that Chicago had to endure in order to play against the Lakers in the NBA finals.
You have to keep in mind, the Detroit Pistons would it raining 2x defending NBA champions at the time.
🔥 "Absolutely legendary! Beating Magic and the Lakers was like MJ getting his crown for the first time. That shrug in Game 5 was the moment he was like, 'Yep, I’m here now! What’s crazier? The fact that he averaged over 31 points in those Finals or that he did it with style only MJ could pull off? 🏀👑
@@mjareacts2731 💪 Absolutely! The Pistons were basically a basketball version of a brick wall covered in nails. The 'Jordan Rules' were their last-ditch effort to stop MJ, but we all know how THAT turned out.
@@FIRST5HOOPShe beat an old arse aging Lakers dynasty WITHOUT Kareem that was in it’s twilight… beat them in their prime then brag to me about it …
MJ was the best long before his teams won the NBA championship.
Absolutely! MJ’s individual dominance was on full display from the start, even when the Bulls were still building around him. 💯 The fact that he won scoring titles AND made the All-Defensive First Team before the championships says everything about his greatness.
The Jordan Rules
Was so happy for him when they beat the Pistons it was even sweeter that they swept them and the Pistons were no longer in the title picture after that.
😂 SAME HERE! That sweep felt like Christmas morning for every Bulls fan-like MJ personally delivered the Pistons a one-way ticket to 'Vacation Island.' 🏖 And the cherry on top? Watching the 'Bad Boys' walk off the court without even shaking hands. Talk about the ultimate mic drop! 🎤 What was your favorite play from that series? Mine was every time MJ turned Laimbeer into his personal highlight reel! Like what MJ does in our Intro video here!😜🔥
Me too, although the Pistons won those games, they act like the bulls didn’t push them to seven games where Mike averaged 28 to 30 points
@FIRST5HOOPS My favorite moment was game four when the cameras go to the Pistons bench reaction as time is winding down (right before the walk of shame) the deflated and desperate looks on their faces was like gold to me.
@@busydem6161 😂 Exactly! The Pistons were acting like they had it easy, but deep down they knew MJ was making their life miserable every time he stepped on the court. Dropping 28 to 30 points like it was light work? What’s crazier? The fact that MJ did it while getting hacked every other play! 😅🏀🔥
@@ericjohnson7632 😂 GOLD is an understatement-it was like winning the lottery as a Bulls fan! The Pistons' bench looked like they just realized their 'Jordan Rules' warranty had expired. 🤣 That walk of shame? Iconic.
Great video.Great work!!!💯
Thank you so much for the love! 💯🙌We’d love to hear it as we gear up for more legendary basketball content! 🏀🔥
Fav 6 threes first half 1992 Blazers Chicago stadium
A true classic! 🔥 That shrug moment after the sixth three-pointer was pure GOAT energy. It’s like MJ said, “I’m not just the best dunker; I’m the best shooter too…today, anyway.” 😂
Michael Jordan is the Muhammad Ali of basketball.
Absolutely! 🏀🔥 Michael Jordan's influence on basketball is just as monumental as Muhammad Ali’s impact on boxing. Both transcended their sports to become global icons, inspiring millions with their unmatched skill, charisma, and relentless drive to be the best
Every player needed help to win! Even jordan.
Absolutely! No one wins rings solo-it’s a team game at the end of the day. But let’s be real, MJ’s 'help' had to level up just to keep up with the greatness he was already bringing to the court. 😂 Pippen and the crew were like, 'We can’t let Mike do everything forever!
@7:20 Rodman clobbers Pippen
😂 Rodman had one mission CHAOS! But hey, who else could clobber Pippen and then end up being his teammate the next season? Only Dennis “The Worm” Rodman could pull that off LOL!
@@FIRST5HOOPS I hated all the Bad Boys! And then ironically Rodman Salley and Edwards ended up on our side. Rodman was an amazing player. I have come to respect the majority of those Pistons players nowadays except Isiah Laimbeer and Aguirre 😆
I’m making a video that says “the years Isiah Dominated the bulls from 1988-1990”
That’s a fun idea! Those years were definitely a challenge for MJ and the Bulls it was like a classic Rocky training montage, but with a basketball twist. 😂 Just make sure to add the part where MJ and the Bulls came back with the ultimate revenge after ’91. That’s where the story gets spicy! 🐐
@ from 1988-1990 Isiah dominated Jordan and the bulls. If it weren’t for Isiah’s broken wrist in 1991 they could have pulled that off too. 3 always Beats 1. Isiah is lucky to be the only won to have dominated Jordan through their careers. That will always be the one stat you will fail to mention.
@@waverider2914 LOL, fair enough! Isiah and the Bad Boys had their moment, no doubt about that. MJ went through some serious playoff hazing at the hands of Detroit. But let’s be honest, dominating a young MJ from ’88-’90 is like bragging you beat up a caterpillar before it became a butterfly. 😏
And as for that “3 beats 1” stat, sure, but when that 1 comes with a sweep in ’91 and ends the Pistons’ dynasty, it hits a little different, doesn’t it? 👀 Let’s not forget, Jordan didn’t just win, he made them walk off the court without a handshake.
@@FIRST5HOOPS ok so you wanna play that card? Then I can say the pistons were too old by that time. And oh by the way Isiah broke his wrist that year so he was a shell of himself. We can go and on. Just admit Isiah dominated Jordan for 3 straight years and sending him to the golf course every year. You can say jordan was too young and make excuses. Any excuse you make I will return it with a pistons excuse.
@@waverider2914 Haha, fair play, you’ve got the “excuse vs. excuse” game down! 😂 But let’s be real, Isiah and the Bad Boys were absolutely dominant during those years, no argument there. MJ had to level up mentally and physically to finally overcome them. It’s like Detroit was MJ’s final boss before he could unlock his GOAT status. 🏀
And yeah, by 1991, the Pistons weren’t in their prime, and Isiah’s injury played a role, but isn’t that what makes the story so legendary? The torch was passed, not because one team fell off, but because MJ forced his way to the top. And after sweeping Detroit that year, he didn’t just send them to the golf course… he retired their dynasty. 😏
The Pistons played to win by any means necessary. MJ developed the same attitude. Difference is he dominated for a decade while the Bad Boys were on top for 2 years. They beat MJ up, and he beat the entire league up!
💯 You nailed it! The Pistons taught MJ how to take hits, but he returned the favor by handing out L’s to the entire league for a decade straight.
Good times.
Ah, the BEST times! Watching MJ and the Bulls back in the day was like a basketball masterclass every game. Those rivalries, those clutch moments… you couldn’t take your eyes off it! 🏀🔥
The day he finally went.....1-3 against the Pistons.....LOL
"LOL, true! The Pistons definitely had their moment… until MJ realized they couldn’t handle air traffic control. 🤷♂ That ‘1-3’ must’ve really hurt because he turned the tables and swept them right out of relevance in ‘91. 😏 Funny how they went from ‘Bad Boys’ to Sad Boys real quick! 😂
@@FIRST5HOOPS Man, you must be one of those guys born after the facts, and who looks at those facts backwards.
You are telling me that the Bulls beat the Pistons because Jordan realized this and that. The fact is, the Pistons were cooked in 1991. Just like MJ was cooked in 93 AND RETIRED for a year and a half. LOL
You see, it wasn't that quick. It started in 87, then 88, then 89, then 90. The Bad Boys were robbed of a three-peat against the Lakers , don't commit the stupid error of underestimating their historic relevance just because your idol is still butt-hurt about them.
@@elnardowebster2842 LOL, fair point! The Pistons definitely earned their place in history as one of the toughest teams ever, no denying that. MJ himself admitted that facing the Bad Boys made him stronger and pushed the Bulls to a whole new level. But hey, about that almost three-peat, the Lakers did what MJ would later perfect, they stopped the party when it mattered most. 😏
Still, we gotta admit, the Pistons walked so the Bulls could fly. Without those epic battles, Jordan’s rise might not have been so legendary. So let’s call it what it was, one of the most brutal and beautiful rivalries in basketball history.
@@FIRST5HOOPS You are still looking at the Piston as MJ's trampoline. Man they wasn't. They were MJ's nightmare, and still are. Nike and Jordan like to rewrite history at their convenience, but there are people who were there as things happened.
3-1 for eternity.
Bulls 23
Short, sweet, and iconic-Bulls 23 says it all. 🐐🔥 🏀 What’s your favorite moment of 'Bulls 23' putting in work? The flu game? The Shrug? etc.
MJ
My all time favorite team the bad boy piston if basketball was still played like this today I’ll go back to watching the game.
The Bad Boys era was definitely one-of-a-kind! 💪 The physicality, rivalries, and raw intensity made every game unforgettable. It’s hard not to miss that grit today. Imagine if the current NBA allowed those kinds of fouls today.
Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Bill Laimbeer AND Dennis Rodman? Holy damn that was good lineup.
💯 Respect where respect is due-that Pistons lineup was stacked like a basketball version of the Avengers (but, you know, the villains). 😜 MJ had to go through a literal gauntlet to take them down. What’s crazy is he didn’t just beat them; he made sure they were never the same afterward.
The only reason they weren't the same afterward is they were old. For the first half of the 1990-1991 season, they were in first place. Age and injuries caught up with them. Don't forget Mark Aguirre was also on the Pistons then. Had nothing to do with Jordan making sure they were never the same. Father time is what beat the Pistons, who nearly 3 peated then
Isiah and dumars are not tough they were small the rest were tough rodman, lambeer and mahorn. That was jordans only challenge after that
The NBa protrcted Jordan and turned the league on a soft path
That’s a perspective I’ve heard before! The ‘Bad Boy’ Pistons definitely had their enforcers, but don’t sleep on Isiah and Dumars they had the brains to match the brawn. As for the league softening up, some say it helped create the fast-paced, high-scoring NBA we see today. What’s your take on how Jordan would have handled the modern league today?
Lame Beer was simply a rich kid thug.
😂Rich kid thug! That’s one way to put it. Laimbeer definitely embraced the villain role, and he wasn’t shy about dishing out hard fouls!
Love the humor keep it coming! 😂🏀
michael jordan is number 1 and i think someone very close to him is kobe bryant
Absolutely! Kobe was like the ultimate student of MJ, he studied every move and embodied that same killer mentality. RIP MAMBA!❤
3:40
The knicks?
The Knicks? 😂 Oh man, they were like MJ’s personal highlight reel factory! Every time they thought, ‘This is our year!’ MJ was like, ‘Nah, this is my mixtape!’ He turned MSG into the 'Michael Jordan Show.' 🏀🔥
It took cheap shots and dirty play to stop him
😂 Right?! The Pistons were out there playing football while MJ was inventing new ways to fly! 🏀✈ They threw cheap shots, elbows, and probably the kitchen sink at him, but MJ just kept coming back like, 'Is that all you got?!' 😤🔥 Those 'Jordan Rules' were more like desperate prayers.
You sound soft
Piston kicked MJ ass 3 times in a row that too in his prime. What warriors or spurs would have done with him
True, the Pistons gave MJ hell early on, but let’s not forget-MJ took all those beatdowns, came back stronger, and sent them packing! 😂 As for the Warriors or Spurs, MJ probably would’ve turned them into highlight reels too. 🏀🔥
Pistons literally beat Jordan, played football on the basketball court, and still could not stop him, they had a better team, until they didnt
Isiah will always be crying that Jordan was better than him and Laimbeer will always be known as the dirtiest player in the NBA....their is a reason Detroit called the "Dirty Pistons"...
Baaaad Boooyyssss!!!!!
😂 "Right?! Those 'Bad Boys' were basically like the final boss in a basketball video game. You had to take a beating just to get past them! MJ didn’t just beat them-he downloaded the cheat codes and DESTROYED them! What's your favorite 'Bad Boys' moment? Maybe Laimbeer flopping again? 😜
@FIRST5HOOPS
It was taking as well as they gave and gave some more but let's not forget Stern's view of Jordan as their moneymaker so rules had to be changed for him. I like the "final boss" comparison.
@@wolvmarine313 😂 Exactly! The 'final boss' analogy fits perfectly-MJ was like, 'Insert coin, let’s go again!' And you're spot on about Stern-Jordan wasn’t just a player, he was THE NBA brand.
the pistons were denied a 3-peat, isiah thought that he would be the next star after the exit of magic and bird, isiah being a native of chicago was hated by chicago fans bcoz of his jordan rules, isiah blaming MJ for his not inclusion in the dream team 1992 - these are but few of the reasons why isiah hated MJ till now. isiah is an immature and self-centered human being.
That’s definitely a loaded history! 🏀 The Jordan Rules alone were enough to make Chicago fans fume, but the Dream Team drama added a whole new layer. Love him or hate him, Isiah was a huge part of MJ’s journey to greatness. The rivalry gave us some of the most intense games in NBA history.
This commentator is lost!In 88 if you gave Jordan the same team he had in 91 he would have beaten Detroit way before 91!Jordan was always a willing passer since his days in North Carolina!He just needed Scottie and the rest of that roster to elevate their games!Phil Jackson was also instrumental by virtue of allowing Tex Winter to bring in the triangle offense that allowed all players to touch the ball within the offense!This guy is not explaining it the way it was!I notice that people conveniently come up with these revisionist history takes like it’s not people like myself who will debunk these myths!
Isiah Thomas is the only NBA player to have a winning percentage against Michael Jordan.
Respect to Zeke for that one! 👏 But let’s be real, MJ didn’t just even the score; he flipped the whole narrative once the Bulls hit their stride. Isiah might’ve had the edge early on, but by the time MJ was done, the Pistons were sent into retirement mode.
👑🦾🦾🐐of all goats including Buffalo 🐃🎤
Without pipen Mj did not make it to the playoffs
Say what you want - the Pistons were the beginning of the street thug era.
Jordan crying to David stern everytime he lost to detroit ...so the change the rules because Jordan was soft af
they were thugs!
😂 Let’s just say they brought a 'unique' style to the game! The Pistons played like they were auditioning for WWE, but MJ took all their hits and still came out on top. 🏀🔥 By the time he swept them, the Bulls were the real enforcers.
Laimbeer is good only to coach women’s basketball
😂 That’s some serious shade, but hey, Laimbeer did help make the WNBA stronger, so props for that!
@@FIRST5HOOPS your point is well taken. But after all the success he had in the WNBA coaching ranks, one has to wonder, why hasn't the league selected him to step up, especially the organization he helped make a back-to-back champion?
@@granvillewalkerjr.8394 🤔 You’ve got a point there! Love him or hate him, Laimbeer was always about winning, whether on the court or the sidelines. Maybe the league isn’t ready for his “Bad Boy” energy at the helm of an NBA team. What do you think, should Laimbeer get another shot in the NBA, or was he better suited for the WNBA’s style?
@@FIRST5HOOPS Laimbeer's efforts in the WNBA were magnified by the fact that every player innately recognized anything less than their absolute best would further handicap the popularity of their game. You know the old adage: "Number two tries harder". Leslie, Swoops, Taurasi and other greats carried that burden accordingly, but I believe it wasn't until Clark's debut that league appeal elevated. But to offer a direct reply to the question, Laimbeer's style wouldn't be accepted in today's NBA.
@@granvillewalkerjr.8394 You’re absolutely right, Laimbeer’s style would definitely clash with today’s NBA pace and rules! And it’s fascinating how players like Taurasi and Leslie carried the WNBA’s growth under that pressure.
The Title: See, this is what people don't understand about 'The Bad Boys', The Detroit Pistons from 1987-1991, it wasn't a one-on-one or two-on-one game, it was about half court execution with the Pistons and using their entire team to dismantle an opponent MENTALLY. The game the Pistons played was so 'mental' that upon the Pistons losing and ending their championship run, THEY ENDED THEIR OWN CHAMPIONSHIP RUN, nobody beat them. Want proof? The proof is what actually happened. Look at what the Pistons did in the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals:
Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and just 9 shots in game 2; Joe Dumars took just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 2; Bill Laimbeer took only 7 shots in game 1 and just 2 shots in game 2 while Pistons coach, Chuck Daly played John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing James Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3.
Well, if your scorers don't shoot and your coach doesn't play your front court guys major minutes, what will happen against anyone? You will lose. If Detroit did this in 1991 vs. Atlanta or vs. Boston, they would have lost. If Detroit did this in 1990 vs. Chicago or in the Finals in '90 vs. Portland, THEY WOULD HAVE LOST. Detroit did this in 1991 against a Bulls' team they were 26-9 against eliminating them 3 straight seasons from 1988-1990. So their scorers chose not to shoot and their coaching staff decided not to play Salley and Edwards in games 2-3 and they expected to win?
Do you really believe that Michael Jordan could take just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 while Pippen could take just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 3 while Grant could take only 7 shots in game 1 and just 2 shots in game 2 while Phil Jackson could play Cartwright only 9 minutes in game 2 while playing Grant only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 of any series, much less the 1991 ECF and the Bulls would actually win? Do you really think that if this took place in 1991 vs. Detroit or even in 1993 vs. New York that somehow the Bulls would be trying to win that series?
Well, that's what the Pistons did and yet everyone talks about how 'great' the Bulls were or how Jordan 'overcame' Detroit? No, the Pistons did this 100% on their own.
Officials/Injuries: The Pistons didn't lose the 1991 ECF due to the injuries they had (5 of their 8 man rotation injured) and the officials giving Chicago a 117-76 foul shot attempt advantage from games 1-3, which if you do the math, just on simple math, there's no way Detroit could have won any of the first 3 games:
Game 1: Chicago won 94-83, Chicago shot 37 foul shots, Detroit 15; Game 2: Chicago on 105-97, Chicago shot 45 foul shots, Detroit 25; Game 3@The Palace: Chicago won 113-107, Detroit shot 36 foul shots, Chicago 35.
Just do the math, you get 117 foul shots, your opponent gets only 76. That's 41 more foul shots Chicago received over Detroit, so that's 13 more foul shots Detroit could have received from games 1-3 just if you wanted to be fair and even. That season, the Pistons shot 76% from the line, ironically, the Bulls shot 76% from the line as well. So see, you have an EVEN series.
Chicago won by 11 in game 1, so that's 22 more foul shots by the Bulls (37-15). Game 2, Chicago won by 8 and received 20 more foul shots than Detroit (45-25). So you see? ... When you actually have such a foul shooting disparity for one team than the other when both teams shoot 76% from the line and Detroit has eliminated Chicago 3 straight seasons. Off the bench, for the Pistons, Mark Aguirre averaged 19 points per game in games 1-3 while Vinnie Johnson averaged 25 points per game. See, so that's Detroit's bench. So yes, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, and Bill Laimbeer had to not shoot from games 1-3, Thomas and Laimbeer took off games 1-2 and Dumars game 2.
The Pistons lost the 1991 ECF on purpose, Chuck Daly did his part and the refs did their part, those are the facts, that's the bottom line.
So let's say you don't believe this, well what did the Pistons do in the summer of 1991? Pistons GM, Jack McCloskey waived Vinnie Johnson and traded James Edwards to the Clippers. So ask yourself: Why would the Pistons break up their title-contending team? Even if you felt you lost for whatever reason, why not go back and get revenge? Why break up the team? You lost in '87, didn't break up the team, you added James Edwards in '88, you lost in '88, didn't break up the team, just added Mark Aguirre in '89 for Dantley, in '89 you lost Mahorn in the expansion draft and still won in 1989-90. So you lost in '91, so why not improve? Why break up that team? So Vinnie Johnson and James Edwards are scorers and Edwards has size and Johnson was named, 'The Microwave' due to his ability to heat-up in a hurry. So you replace them with Darrell Walker, who was a non-scorer and Orlando Woolridge an under-sized power forward who couldn't rebound, had no size and couldn't create his own shot in the post. So now your game is stagnant.
Detroit went from an injured team in 1990-91 trying to 3-peat going to 4 straight NBA Finals still winning 50 games and making it to the ECF with Johnson/Edwards to being totally healthy in 1991-92 without Edwards/Johnson winning only 48 games and losing in the first round to the Knicks -- that's the impact of James Edwards and Vinnie Johnson, two rounds.
Chicago went from winning the title in 1993 with Jordan to not having him in '93-'94 and losing in the 2nd round -- that's a two round decline. When Jordan came back in 1994-95 with 17 games left, Chicago didn't have Horace Grant, they lost in the 2nd round, that's a two round decline. The Bulls get Rodman in 1995-96 with Jordan and win the title, a 2 round upgrade, also the had Salley and Edwards on the downside of their careers having to face the likes of Mourning, Ewing, Shaq, and possibly Hakeem, well with Rodman for the next two seasons without Edwards/Salley they win the title.
You need a front court who can rebound, defend, and take care of the boards, even with Jordan, Chicago couldn't win with a power forward like Grant or Rodman, that's a two round decline. Detroit lost Mahorn in '89 and still won the title, they lose Edwards/Vinnie Johnson in '91 and have a two round decline.
Wow, this is one of the most detailed breakdowns of the Pistons' fall I’ve seen, mad respect for the research! 🙌 You’re right, the ’91 ECF wasn’t as simple as “MJ and the Bulls dominated.” Between Chuck Daly’s lineup decisions, injuries, and the free-throw disparity, it’s clear the Pistons had more going on behind the scenes.
But here’s where it gets interesting, Jordan still had to overcome that mental hurdle of beating Detroit. Even if the Pistons weren’t at their peak in ’91, the Bad Boys’ years of dominance had built up this rivalry that felt like a mountain for MJ to climb. And when he swept them, it wasn’t just a win, it was a psychological breakthrough that defined his career.
What’s your take, do you think Daly and the Pistons deliberately stepped back in ’91, or was it just the natural end of a dynasty?
@@FIRST5HOOPS My Take: I've always stated IN MY OPINION that Chuck Daly was given that Olympic Team job prior to the 1990-91 season as the Pistons were going for a 3-peat as a possible reward for what he 'had' to do in 1991. Remember, Daly was named Olympic Team coach even though Riley had 5 rings total, 4 as a head coach named coach of the Decade in the 80's. Remember the 'Dream Team' documentary? They told you what happened when Chuck Daly tried to get the NBA player's attention vs. the college players in practice. I couldn't believe they left that and put that in the documentary: Coach K told the truth in how Chuck Daly didn't make adjustments and left Jordan on the bench and as the Dream Team was losing, Chuck just 'let them lose' so the players could listen to him .... See? He did the same thing in the 1991 ECF vs. Chicago by playing John Salley only 9 minutes in game 2 and playing James Edwards just 11 minutes in game 2 and only 9 minutes in game 3 -- which is why I keep pointing out to look at this logically, just reverse it and say if Phil Jackson did the same by playing Cartwright only 9 minutes in game 2 and just playing Grant only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 ... Had Phil Jackson did that in '91 vs. Detroit he would have been fired while the players like Jordan, Pippen, and Grant didn't shoot the ball in games 1-3. You see? Everyone would know either Jordan was compromised, Phil needs to be fired or something foul went down ...but because people 'hated' the Pistons, they wanted them out of the way, so nobody looks at actual basketball strategy, intelligence, and how to break down an opponent, nevermind the business and politics involved. I only show the 'other side' so people can see it makes no logical sense for a team trying to win to do those things ON PURPOSE. Your shot attempts are done ON PURPOSE and the coach plays players ON PURPOSE. The choices the Pistons as a group made through Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer not shooting in games 1-3 while Daly not playing Salley/Edwards were done ON PURPOSE. The Pistons 'walk-off' was ON PURPOSE, the Pistons breaking up their title-contending team was done ON PURPOSE. It wasn't an accident.
The Facts: Isiah Thomas took just 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 (say Jordan did that, what would happen?); Dumars took just 10 shots in game 1 and only 10 shots in game 3 (say Pippen did that, what would happen?); Laimbeer took just 7 shots in game 1 and only 2 shots in game 2 (say Grant did that, what would happen?) Daly played Salley just 9 minutes in game 2 (say Phil Jackson did that to Cartwright, what would happen?) and Daly played Edwards only 11 minutes in game 2 and just 9 minutes in game 3 (say Phil Jackson did that to Grant, what would have happened?)
See, it doesn't make sense, those moves would have NOTHING to do with an opponent.
Common Sense: I don't mind the Pistons losing for the 4-0 sweep told me that something didn't make sense when it happened. I knew that team, their tendencies, and that Bulls' team was a CBA team without Jordan that, at best, without Jordan during the 1990-91 season would have been on the level of a 7th or 8th seed at best.
Pistons/Bulls Rivalry: See, the Pistons/Bulls didn't have the type of rivalry that Boston/Philly had from 1980-85 where Philly won in '80, Boston in '81, Philly in '82, and Boston in '85 ... No. The Pistons dominated the Bulls from 1988-1990 with a 26-9 record against them, eliminating them 3 straight seasons in the playoffs while winning back-to-back titles, playing against more mentally tougher teams like the Celtics ('87, '88) and Lakers ('88, '89) in the process. So now in 1990-91, Detroit just forgets how to win a game against that team? Remember, Boston had Bird, McHale, and Parish -- 3 guys who could create double teams out on the perimeter and in the post; the Lakers had Magic, Worthy, and Kareem -- 3 guys who could create double teams out on the perimeter and in the post; Chicago only had one guy.HAHAHA! Detroit won with defense and half court execution. So the back-to-back champions Pistons are so UNDISCIPLINED defensively in 1990-91 that they could incur a 117-76 foul shot attempt advantage from games 1-3? It makes no sense.
Note: I'm not saying the Pistons lost due to injury or the refs, I'm saying clearly based upon what the Pistons did themselves, they LET CHICAGO WIN ON PURPOSE.
The Sweep: What let's me know Detroit let Chicago win on purpose was the sweep itself. If it was 4-1, 4-2, and/or 4-3 Chicago, and the Pistons played hard, ran their offense through, and competed by playing their front court the normal minutes while being offensively aggressive and Detroit lost, I could accept that ....but it's just like when people say that when Magic is injured in '89 and Scott is out for the series, well it's obvious Detroit is going to win, they should win, your starting back court is out. HAHAHAHA If Detroit's scorers don't shoot and the coaching staff doesn't play the front court their major minutes, Detroit would lose vs. anybody.
Just look at how hard Detroit played vs. Boston in 1991, Thomas got injured in that series in game 1, missed games 2 and 4 and came off the bench in games 5-6, look at how hard that team played, ran their offense, played their front court, was disciplined offensively and defensively, moved the ball, etc... two days later vs. Chicago in the ECF Detroit just gave away those first two games easily ... then look at game 3 vs. Chicago? Look at how Isiah Thomas was controlling the game -- he didn't run the offense at all, he was passive and passive-aggressive and there's a reason why vs. Boston he came off the bench, then inserted himself into the game for game 1 vs. Chicago when Vinnie Johnson/Dumars had a good thing going starting while Aguirre, Thomas, Salley came off the bench vs. Boston ... I don't blame Thomas for wanting to start vs. Chicago, that's normal, but he wasn't aggressive, didn't push the ball, didn't look to score, didn't get the team into their offense consistently. Why not? See?
@@FIRST5HOOPS PART II My Response:
MENTAL HURDLE: If you are Michael Jordan, how are you mad when you win 4-0? You know how hard it was for you to beat the Pistons. Remember, it was on the NBA @ 50 documentary and in other interviews, Jordan stated after game 7 in 1990 his father had to console him on the back of the bus because he was screaming at his teammates being disappointed ... So Jordan knew how hard it was to win, right? He was on the court, fans weren't but Jordan knows. Jordan lost 4-1 in '88 while being MVP; 4-2 in '89 and 4-3 in '90 while improving, so now in '91 it's that easy huh? ... That easy 4-0? Remember, Jordan stated that his father said that he has a competition problem. One thing a guy with a competition problem hates is if you LET HIM WIN. Why do you think Isiah Thomas and the rest of those guys didn't compete in '91? It's a mental game between Thomas vs. Jordan, which is why Isiah Thomas keeps saying LeBron James is greater, Laimbeer says the same thing -- which they know it's not true. It's a mental game. So NO, Jordan still hasn't gotten over that mental hurdle of Isiah Thomas-led Pistons because he made a documentary, 'The Last Dance' with liquor and bloodshot red eyes talking about that series saying Thomas was an a**hole and he hated Thomas. Well, why would you want a handshake from a guy you hated and thought was an a**hole? It wouldn't matter, right? But Jordan wanted/needed Thomas to validate him, that's what upset him and he spoke against Thomas being on the Olympic Team due to Thomas not shaking his hand. Isiah Thomas stated on 'The Pivot' as well as back in 1991-92 as did Laimbeer as to why they didn't shake hands. Thomas stated after game 3, Jordan talked to the media and disrespected the Pistons as men and champions saying they were 'undeserving champions' and 'bad for the game' -- and no defending NBA champion had been disrespected like that upon being beaten, so Laimbeer stated it was intentional on his part and Thomas stated they walked off.
Note: The 3 guys that led the infamous 'walk-off' were all from Chicago: Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, and Isiah Thomas. You see? They did this on purpose. And yes, the Pistons did shake hands: Joe Dumars, John Salley, Vinnie Johnson, and Chuck Daly shook hands; Isiah Thomas, Mark Aguirre, Bill Laimbeer, James Edwards, and Dennis Rodman did not shake hands. Why didn't Jordan complain about Edwards and Rodman not shaking hands? It didn't stop Jordan from having Edwards/Rodman on the Bulls in 1995-96 and Rodman from 1995-96 to 1997-98, did it? So 3 bench guys on the 1989 Pistons: Edwards, Rodman, and Salley were put on the Bulls on the downside of their careers making the greatest Chicago Bulls team of all-time, the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls. This is how POWERFUL that Pistons team was, which is why the league had to systematically break it up to usher in 'The Jordan-Era'.
1989-1993: Remember, from 1989-1993, the Pistons lost the following guys -- Rick Mahorn '89, Vinnie Johnson/James Edwards '91 and John Salley in '92. That Pistons team was so good, they could lose Rick Mahorn in '89 and still win in '89-'90. So even if you believe Chicago won legit in '91, why wouldn't the Pistons just keep their team together to get revenge for the 1991-92 season? Why waive Vinnie Johnson and trade James Edwards to the Clippers if you are Pistons, GM, Jack McCloskey? See, Detroit 'had' to break up that team. Perhaps McCloskey had 'no choice', same with Daly in his coaching decisions and Thomas, Dumars, and Laimbeer in their shot attempts? This is why I always say that the 'walk-off' was a peaceful protest about what the league was making the Pistons do to make sure Jordan won in '91 and kept winning from 1991-1993, the only team beaten Jordan was an Isiah Thomas-led Pistons team. Even to this day, Isiah Thomas was the last guy to defeat Michael Jordan in the playoffs when Jordan had a full training camp. This is how GREAT Isiah Thomas and the Pistons were -- they were so MASTERFUL they controlled HOW THEY LOST.
MJ only good player from the BUM ERA
Lebron 🦾🦾King 🐐James always better than mj . Always
Bwhahahaha. 3-9 in Finals, son. 3 for 9.
Lebron will eat dust from MJ if they played at the same era.😄
Delusion
The only reason why Detroit became champions, the NBA allowed them to be dirty! That's the truth!
😂 You’re not wrong, the Pistons basically played basketball AND MMA at the same time! But hey, credit where it’s due, they used every tactic in the book, and it worked… for a while. Then MJ came along, rewrote the book, and made sure their 'dirty tricks' ended with a clean sweep!
Crim8nal PISTONS🙄
😂😂They didn’t get the “Bad Boys” nickname for being choirboys, that’s for sure! Love them or hate them, though, you have to admit their defense was brutal. Imagine the Pistons playing today flagrant fouls everywhere! Who do you think would survive a full game against them ask LeBron 😂? 💀🏀
Lebron 🦾🦾King 🐐James always better than mj . Always