UP 3985 spotted in the Silvis, IL RRHMA shop. 11-19-22
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- UP 3985 spotted in the Silvis, IL RRHMA shop. 11-19-22
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What a magnificent facility to have to be able to work on pieces like this, awesome!!!!
Facility - what - all you have seen is a huge building. Where are the machines necessary to do this work? Where are the people skilled enough to do this work. They are all grey heads. You don't see any in this posting. All young guys who have never taken one of these monsters apart.
I'll say - this place looks incredible!!!
@@ralphmiller2265 It does and 3985 and 5511 will be safe inside out of the weather. But where is the machinery necessary to bring these magnificent engined back to life. 5511 will likely never run again. It is too stiff for western rails and the eastern track is so limited that - who wants it. Somehow it must be saved as one of the last of a kind. One of the great locomotives built for UP.
@@organbuilder272 This shop rebuilt steamers once and can do it again
@@theodorethompson9032 That's nice - where is the machinery to do it?? Who has the money. This is the big question. Think of how much it cost for 4014 - 3985 is in worse condition. Moe money necesary. Why didn't UP take care of their own. After all, 3985 is a UP engine.
When the big boy came through our town, I asked Ed Dickens, what was going to happen with the challenger, and with a swipe of his hand, he simply responded "it's done" I am beyond thrilled to see somebody breathe new life into this epic locomotive.
Ed Dickens needs his own fan club. I'd join in a heart beat.
@@7leprechaun7 me too id join also
You have not seen it completed yet. In fact, it has not even begun. Start cheering when 3985 is running on the high iron once more. Not before that. Remember, many the slip 'tween cup and lip. If that isn't good enough - The best laid plans of mice and men oft come to naught.
Yet Mr. Shaw, we have people with wealth beyond 1000s of lifetimes who have the ability to complete these projects quickly and with paid workers and yet they do not. You would think Old Warren “Buffet” would understand clearly the importance of restoring Steam and early Diesel engines to pristine running condition. They tinkle away each week on crap that returns nothing and just one week from Bill G would restore multiple engines to like new.
@@solutions2exist556 Yes, would that not be a wonderful thing. Yet, I ask, which of the big four railroads would allow these huge, heavy, thirsty engines to run over their rails, trestles, bridges? Who and how would watering stations be established? At 250 gallons of water per mile, Big Boy is a thirsty beast and others of his ilk are no less so. I suppose you could load the freight companies these great machines for revenue freight. Challenger is quite capable of hauling 200 cars. Imagine a fleet of 7 Big boys and the two remaining Challengers hauling freight over Sherman hill and the Cumberland gap. Have you read - THE LONG TRAINS ROLL. It is an inspiration for young kids interested in Steam.
I can't believe it! UP 3985 is getting a new life at her new job!
I'm more excited to see 5511. Nobody even thinks of her.
Thank You! Someone else agreed with me! That engine is more obscure and not as well known plus it would take alot less time and money to restore because it's a much smaller engine compared to the Challenger which has far more parts and components to have to either fix or rebuild entirely. We need to see more 10 coupled steam engine's today. Only one I know of still running is Strasburg #90.
@@NorcalValleyRailfan pretty much since the beginning, They called ships she long before then
i do
But imagine a 3985 and 4014 double header. Because why not
@@pontushaggstrom6261 fr bro, only double header that never occured, we railfans dream of having a triple header, 4014, 3985, and 844 🔥
This is incredible! The Challenger's easily my favorite of UP's locomotives.
(I personally hope it gets the greyhound treatment...)
Why not Big Boy? Why do you like Challenger better?
@@antiares1684 Because two-tone gray is my favorite of the UP liveries and the big boy never wore it. Also I'm a sucker for smoke deflectors/semi-streamlining
@@RealRexRiplash Fair enough! And thank you for the answer.
Patrick Cox - By " Greyhound " do you mean just the 2-tone gray or with the Armour Yellow striping?
@@Petemonster62 Both. Both are good.
Absolutely fantastic!!!
You can sure see the resemblance between the Union Pacific 3985 Challenger and the Union Pacific 4014 Big Boy. Historically the design of the Union Pacific Big Boys was based on design of the Union Pacific Challengers.
The Big Boy was a larger version or expansion of the Challenger with the addition of another set of drive wheels. Otherwise really it's the same exact engine.
The first two classes of Challengers, the 3800s, had a very different design. After the Big Boy arrived, the last three classes of Challengers shared 3985's design.
I'm pretty sure everyone figured that out the minute they looked at them side by side
First big boy now the the challenger
The return to steam is here live long iron horses live on!
All those fans gatherered all over Eastern Iowa yesterday and not one mentioned that this opportunity to see inside these locomotives was even available.
I notice everything.
it was $250 a plate for this event
I hope at least one of these makes a guest appearance on the east coast.
That is am amazing place! I am loving this project....
Congrats!
Man I live in Michigan right now and I realize I’m only like six hours away from Silvis I could just take a short flight or a simple train ride to see them now
Do what you think is best! The presence of seeing these big locomotives is impressive and immense!
Then why don't you do it?
@@RyohuHajimeRX-0UnicornGundam Hey, what steam locomotive is in your profile picture?
@@TheFunnyDictator Maybe small but I think it’s the 4449
@@RyohuHajimeRX-0UnicornGundam Oh I’ve been dying to see the challenger all my life because I’ve got a Rio grande challenger in my lionel collection
A gathering with 261, 6988, 7081, 3985 and 5511 would be awesome!
and 2472 & 2479 ( P-8 Class 4-6-2 heavy "Pacific" )
@@Mrdoctile that too yes.
@@Matts_Conrail_Chicago_Mainline Oh great, maybe just like the PRR T1 Trust!
@@Matts_Conrail_Chicago_Mainline given their location I'd imagine it'd be a long gone midwestern engine like the Milwaukee Road Streamlined Atlantic or Hudson.
@@Matts_Conrail_Chicago_Mainline that's possible too. I think we can both agree that whatever newbuild is being thought up it's going to be based on something that once ran the central/midwestern US
WOOOOOOOOOOOO
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE WAITED FOR
Welcome to your new Home 3985 5511 and 6936!
Welcome to the Midwest 5511 3985 and 6936. The first half of your journey to restoration it’s completed and now the next phase will begin soon for now enjoy your nice new home and a long rest until your rebuilds begin
Iowa Interstate 6988 is there somewhere too, I believe. It's supposed to be overhauled in their facilities.
@@hawkeyeten2450 I just looked up that engine. It was on the retirement list a while ago til RRHMA took her in to fully overhaul her. She might in a different part of the workshop or in the yard waiting for the go ahead.
@@hawkeyeten2450 I found the locomotive she was in the workshop one 5511 6936 and 3985 were all shunted inside. She was actually on the adjacent line next 6936 was just a little further down
We went to go see it
Awesome! :D
I've worked in that shop for 24 years
I had a train dvd pack box of alot of DVDs on steam and diesel trains from across America over the 2000's, I loved it, and 3985 was in several of them, and the old Challenger has a special place in my heart, by the time 3985 is restored to running condition again, I'll be in my 30s or something like that, so overall, they got this, I believe in them! ❤
Can’t wait to see what’s to come
I sincerely hope this enterprise is well funded. They have a heck of a long list of difficult and expensive repairs ahead of them. Should this turn out the way we hope it does, steam operations will be available and continuous in North America!
I will be so happy when they are both restored
RRHMA: Welcome Home 3985!
Thanks for recording this great arrival!
Thank you, such a beautiful machine.
I can't wait to see 3985 and 5511 after their restoration!
Wished I was there!
union pacific 3985 is going back in service!
YES.....BRING BACK THE STEAM..!!!!!
Up 3985 & 5511 Lionel lines restauration in donation special
I wish someone would restore the southern pacific 4294 in old town Sacramento since it’s the last surviving cab forward.
I was jumped on by a bunch of severely negative people when I said I'd love to see a Y or a Yellowstone or an Allegheny restored
@@bryanphillips6666 proves that some things are better when simply displayed.
ah the silvis back shop, I read about the place in shop up to date from 1907 on google read, it was qute a place back then as well as today, and at least its still intact and seeing life, soo soo much was lost around here around north east indiana, and ohio, we have depots preserved and running steamers with the gramling locomotive works and fort wayne railroad historical soc, but we have non of the old buildings that were shops still standing that are intact that I can recall in garrett, fort wayne, or waterloo, though I guess someone did grab the structure that made the 2 bay engine house in waterloo on the new york central and made it their barn so its still around, and we got the freight shed and one building out in a woods that date back to the b and o in garrett but non of the other structures were preserved though there were efforts to try to save the roundhouse and later the depot but that was torn down by the b and o or the c and o that owned them at the time said needed too much work to rebuild so hired a fort wayne contractor to tear it down and compleaded demo jan 23 1964 and set it on fire and caught a power pole on fire saved like one wall and a pit for run though inspections under the locos till about 1968.
its good to see the two locos though see new life and will run again now if only more mainline railroads were favorable to excursions again, would love to see 765 brought up to garrett if even to be on just display, the train thats painted on city hall is modeled after 765 though the last class on b and o that ran were mountains and 4 8 2's not berkshires which are 284's and the redding railroad and well as mckeeys rocks shops in pennsylvania are still standing but long abandoned I belive.
I was just in Silvis yesterday would have been cool to check it out
I shouldn't be sad about this, but I am. I won't see these beasts in my neck of the woods ever again.
Did They Make It?
Up 3985 without whistle
These were the pinekle of beauty back in the day. It's great that union Pacific is keeping these massive machines alive
I can't see a single bit of it that's beautiful, it looks ugly as hell
They are not. They gave away three locomotives, on of them the largest diesen engine ever built, to this place. The talk is that all will be restored and running. What would you bet not. UP is divesting itself of it's historic equipment in the name of profit. For them this is a giant tax write off - as are all "Donations" I would almost bet that in five years - 4014 and 844 will be given away also. All so the CEO's can have a bigger bonus than they already have. This year has been one of the most profitable in UP history. UP steam shops are likely the best equipped and most experienced with big engines in the country. Instead of restoring 3985 as they did with 4014, they "Give" it away. They are not so interested in their heritage when they give two of the larhest locomotives in their class away. Just like insisting on only an engineer in the cab of monstrous freight trains, this is all in the name of profit. Don't be fooled.
...pinnacle...
Pinnacle
God, I hate to see it, (and never thought possible), but UP's probably breathing a sigh of relief by getting rid of these personal property taxed monsters and letting somebody else take on the financial burden...I get it and it's all bottom-line stuff Ladies and Gentlemen on their P&L statement and that's it!!! 'Hope the new guy's have deep pockets.
I think that would be a large part of the reasoning behind creating a historical museum org since it makes it easier to both raise funds and protect them from being taxed unduly which makes restoration a lot easier and faster. When it's "just" the railroad with a locomotive of theirs it's just a rehash of the whole reason why steam stopped being used because it's expensive compared to diesel.
Huh interesting
*pulls out tool box* ITS RESTORIN TIME
Lol
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Up 3985's boiler exploded for new cab 2004-2015
while they fix the 3985 and 5511 and 6936 they will repaint them in the same colors
The ghosts of the machinist and other trades that built this engine must be happy I'm old worn out millwright when i see old machinery coming back to life I'm happy
The Challenger is different.
No light Equipment
No Number Plates
No Painted Number
Not a Big Boy, it's a Challenger
@@Sparecards great. Now I need to edit this comment
I'm looking forward to more on those old Iron Horses 😁👍
I had never seen it so big, in Cuba we had them throwing sugar cane but they were not that big
Incredibly beautiful machine
Why are NRE guys still in there? Thought it was sold.
wait were getting another big boy back in service? wait nvm its a challenger
I see one “observer” had to be asked to move aside while conversing with a friend…back to the locomotive.
They seriously need to restore that 2-10-2 first. The Challenger already had it's share of fame running for years since it was first restored in the 1980's. The #5511 is a more obscure engine and if restored first would be the only operating 2-10-2 steam engine running in the entire western hemisphere unless you count the former Iowa Interstate Chinese QJ 2-10-2 engine's. Plus the UP #3985 is in worst condition than the UP #5511 not to mention that the UP #5511 would take less time to rebuild and restore since it's a smaller engine than UP #3985 and has less components and parts.
Why did the Union Pacific get rid of the 3985? All of that time, energy and money gone....
Did those engines come with all the drawings ? They're going to have to make a few parts for certain.
Why? 3985 was working just fine until Ed parked it. Search the 2010 Circus Train.
@@chuckhanson1110 Incorrect 3985 is in extremely poor mechanical condition and has been sitting for 12 years
They did order some parts for 3985 before they cancelled the restoration plans. I'm certain they did come with the drawings and the parts already ordered.
3985 was parked for several reasons. The restoration was only enough to get her running. The boiler and firebox we're the main focus of that effort. The chassis and running gear are in need of a complete rebuild not to mention the tender( still numbered 4014) still needs to be converted to oil.
In comparison, 4014 is , in essence, a new locomotive with new components and spares on the shelf. There is a difference between a rebuild and a return to service.
Too bad we will never see a cab-forward eng running
Up 3985 going to Being in restored
is 3985 getting steamed again.
Maybe one 3985 is restored hopefully it’ll Triple head with 4014 and 844
Let's hope Union Pacific restores some of the many Southern Pacific locomotives that have survived!
UP unfortunately has a policy against foreign steam. However, several other SP steam engines have found plenty of new careers with other owners, especially the famed 4449!
@@davidng2336, he's talking about preserved SP steam engine's that haven't run since retirement. The SP 4449 is already old news and already had it's share of fame already. Something else should take it's spotlight.
@@DynamicDuo795 like I said, UP has a policy against foreign steam. You won’t see any SP locomotive restored by them.
The cab forward in Sacramento being restored would be amazing
@@paynestuta Well, I never thought I'd see a Big Boy restored to operation so you never can tell!!
why doesn't 3985 have her headlight or class lights?
They removed all that for fears of vandalism.
@@chuckhanson1110 oh really? Why didn’t they do it for 5511?
@@Sonic.Mario.64 Just relaying what Ed said in a either a video or FB post.
I think they may have used them on the Big Boy. I know the Big Boy was using the Challenger's tender.
What are the plans for her
Angus paul: oh no us: OH YEAH
Well at least someone got to see them....
Its always good to announce a historic endeavour then totally fail.
You can depend on the Union... they will always let you down.
Is that another version of the Big Boy because it looks just as big
the challenger class locomotive are just smaller and the predecessor of the big boy class locomotive, they have a 4-6-6-4 arrangement instead of 4-8-8-4 arrangement
Going to take some serious time, money and labor to fix that worn-out toy!
What is the locomotive on the right side?
5511
Yes 5511
they have the balls to charge people to go in and see this I wouldn't pay not one cent!!
I believe only donors were allowed in
i see them everyday at work
I like that challenger moreso than the big boy!! I'm delighted that none of these grand machines didn't fall to the scappers torch...... it's nice they have a new home and being restored......
Can someone please tell me if these two locos will be fully restored and running again? I keep seeing people mention it, but I cant figure out if its truly the plan or just people hoping.
its truly planned to be restored
Don’t understand why 3985 is done and need to restore?
cracks were formed from her boiler
beli cbr thn2015
White culture
White history
It's OK to take pride in this.
Your comment is disgusting and has nothing to do with this video. All people from all different racial, ethnic and religious backgrounds work and have worked for the railroad in this country.
@@DynamicDuo795 take pity on this guy, his days of white people entitlement are coming to an End and he knows it!
Minorites worked for the railroads, built steam, electric and diesel locomotives and rode on their passenger trains as crew and Conductors. They've got nothing to bitch about, there's diversity here. Hundreds of years of it
@@DynamicDuo795 see my post too
@@bryanphillips6666 and for the Chinese people who built the railroads weren’t even allowed to be present during the photo session that recorded the transcontinental railroads line…yes there is diversity…its called racism!
How does america manage to make such ugly looking badly performing locomotives/cars etc
That's a weird way to spell Britain.
@@Sparecards I mean it's known around the world that Britain made beautiful steam locomotives and cars back then.
These American trains are a monstrosity, a complete mess and underpowered compared to how pointlessly huge they are.
Same with your cars that always had a big engine with worse power than a 4 cylinder
@@ballbag That's a large heaping pile of generalization fallacy my friend.
@@ballbag I would love to see a single British engine haul a 5 mile long freight~ Or single-handedly haul 143 double-staked container cars...Good luck, underpowered? What are you drinking and are you even looking at our engines?...And our cars? Far larger than yours!
Top this! ruclips.net/video/XhgHrDbN4EU/видео.html
@@ballbag
Ever driven a Dodge Charger with a 426 Hemi? Or how about a Corvette with a 454 big block?
...and let's not forget the Ford GT40 that beat Ferrari at Le Mans!
so they are being restored eh? well once that is done there will ABSOLUTLELY HAVE TO BE a meet between 3985 and 4014 in the future!
With the UP 5511 and UP 844. The whole Union Pacific steam family.
What happened to 3985?