I wrote the 6th edition and unboxed the very first box from the printers 20 years ago, so the nostalgia is Strong here. It is very interesting to see how someone without the previous attachment to the Warhammer game views this edition and box.
And some answers to your questions. ;) -Why don't war machines and chariots have standardised bases? (There was a massive backlog of old models that came in all sorts of sizes that were usable in the game). -What are these square bases? (This allows you to organise your army into regiments). -Why is the art in black and white? (Colour pages cost quite a bit more back then, and making full-colour paintings was much slower before computers). -Why is the book not 50% lore? (This edition was all about proving the players as much gaming content in the book as possible). -Why are most of the plastic models single-pose? (Classic Warhammer required large armies to create the spectacle of wargaming. To keep costs down, Single-pose models were far more economic for the players). -Why does the Cannon not come with a base? Why is the crew separate? (The crew could be killed one by one, and you had to be able to remove models to indicate the losses).
@@tuomaspirinen8018 Then I have you to personally thank for getting me into Warhammer Fantasy. I'd started with 40K, but the siege battle report in WD 224 is what got me to switch over. The siege rules in both editions were fantastic.
I was one of the playtesters for this edition. My name is in the front of the book. By far one of the best projects I ever worked on for GW. Tuomas Pirinen was the team lead and he was an absolute joy to work with.
Given how disorganised GW are and also probably still busy trying to get indomitus boxes together it will be sat on someones desk awaiting attention, I mean no one would just ignore you now would they?
This was the last edition of Warhammer I played before seeing your videos and starting to collect and paint again twenty years later. I can't overstate how much Warhammer has been an outlet through these long months of lock down and has reintroduced me to a fantastic community which seems to be more open and welcoming than ever before. Thanks Dana.
Looking at them now, I can definitely tell they were made in the same era as the 40K Ork Boyz models that were current until recently (and which, probably having to do with how monopose/monoloadout the new Boyz are, are still being sold). The two sets share a design sensibility.
I used to play with Jeff Wilson at dragons den games in Boone, NC. He painted the wood elves in the White Dwarf that came out showcasing 6th edition fantasy. I still have my autographed copy. His wood elves were amazingly painted!
Square bases 100% 🙌🏼. Great video Dana. Really appreciated the overview... as a die-hard “old worlder”. And player of 6th edition to this very day here in London where there is a living breathing community of players of this edition (and older ones too!) We were due to run a 6th edition tournament earlier this month at a place called “bad moon cafe” but had to cancel it due to Covid-19 shinnanegans. The basing conundrum is a strange one... all the extra bits were just that: “extra” intended to be built as a scenic diorama as you suggest, however GW missed a trick and consistently failed to supply large enough bases for war machines like chariots and cannons so hobbyists often had to buy them direct from mail order or make custom bases from plasticard or spare cardboard. It was so very interesting seeing a fresh perspective on the treasures inside this box, some of your insights and impressions are very insightful and interesting and also often hilarious 😉 Please keep them based on squares and I can’t wait to see how you paint them up. I really have been inspired lately by your style and approach / I’m intending to use some of your techniques on a Slaanesh army I’ve been meaning to start for years! Keep em coming and thanks again.
I'm very happy to have stumbled on your comment and found somewhere (at some point) to play wargames in SE London! Edit: Forgot to say thanks. Thank you!
All those sculpts were the full kit lol. It was a different time, and the appeal of plastic kits was that they were as cheep as possible and let you build up REALLY big blocks of 50 or 100 troops, which was how bigger games of Fantasy worked. As you added points, you kinda passed the stage of getting your biggest war machine or monster, and you just added bigger and bigger blocks of your core troops. These minimalist plastic kits were what made that accessible to more players (though still expensive) The basing of the Chariots is interesting. Basically, the rules cared about the bases of the individual boars in combat to determine who can attack them and who they can attack, because they fought separately from the crew of the chariot. The chariots probably should have had bases too, but 6th edition was pretty chaotic rules wise, so they didn't hahaha. The cannon and crew are kind similar, as the crew could die individually, reducing the effectiveness of the cannon but not taking it out completely, so each crew member was on their own base so they could be removed, but for some reason they didn't give the cannon itself a base.
@@DanaHowl I just double checked and I misremembered being able to attack creatures pulling a chariot, you couldn't do that. They did make their own attacks separately though, and needed their bases for determining which models in a line they were engaged with. Also you could move crew from one war machine to another throughout the game, which I think I never knew because I feel like some games I played as a kid might have gone differently haha. Thank you for making this video! It's sending me down a very fun nostalgia rabbit hole.
Also whenever war machines like the cannon was charged, the crew members would form a line in front of the cannon and receive the charge. This is in contrast to something like the salamanders (living quasi-artillery) for Lizardmen, which all had bases since they could fight in melee too.
It's refreshing to hear someone's thoughts about oldhammer (if this qualifies as that) who wasn't in to it back then. I discovered Warhammer as this box was released 20 years ago, so this was very nostalgic for me!
I miss Warhammer fantasy so much.. i grew up with reading and collecting, painting and a bit playing. broke my heart when it was scrapped for... never mind that, never happened in my mind. Waiting for the old world now :)
@@DanaHowl You should try the Coat D'arms paints (they match the old Citidel Paint from that era pretty close from what I'm told) and see what happens.
Yeah, older minis had plenty of instances where larger items just laid flat on the table. Base sizes were a lot more limited then, as opposed to today. I definitely remember the standard infantry square, the cavalry rectangle, and the larger square for larger models like ogres and troll, and there might have been a larger one for dragons, but I believe that's it.
Back in the early '90s I think that GW did 20mm square, 25mm square, 40mm square, 25x50mm rectangular and 25mm round bases. Oh, and a flying base too, which was hexagonal, for some reason. If a model wasn't suitable for one of those bases then it didn't come with a base. It sounds like they hadn't expanded their base options much by 2000.
You had to combine smaller bases or use plasticard/balsa wood for larger models. My Doom Diver and Orc Lobba are on balsa bases, while my chariots are 4 calvary bases (25x50mm) glued together.
How this company changed the gaming world ! In the early seventies I had to send away for typed photocopied lists of lead soldiers and then find rule books from another supplier with no pictures that needed trigonometry and maths to understand. Terrain ? There was none. Scrounge what you could from model railways. Don't even get me started on the enamel paints that took forever to dry. This stuff was cutting edge, and yes you could use Empire troops for stuff like the Italian wars.
Looks really good to me, "the good old times"; when the persons painted the bases in Gobblin Green (you wasn't a person if you didn't paint the bases in Gobblin Green), bring good memories to me.
@@andreapellegrino4469 Gobblin Green it's the way to go, imo, not do it means (to me) that you're a sinner and that you gonna burn in hell, next to Ronald Reagan and Adolf Hitler.
@@toferkrz946 lol that's true! I started collecting warhammer in 2003, so totally inside the 6th edition world, but living in a small town my only source of inspiration were books and magazines of a friend older than me, all from 5th edition. So I was all about goblin green! I didn't even know there was a 5th or 6th edition, to me all of that was warhammer. I was also unlucky since the first day I went to buy miniatures to the local (and only) hobbyist shop I said : I want to start a warhammer fantasy army, I want to start a chaos dwarves army! Well I was pretty sad to discover those went oop years before:( had to switch taste to lizardmen (bought a blister of 4 skinks archers, also doomed to oop soon after)
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. As an Empire lover from the 90's, I remember how excited I was to get plastic minis after buying so much metal models.
Square bases are a huge reason why I never got into other mini war games - I wanted to put together UNITS that FIT TOGETHER and you treat them as a whole. It always seemed hell to move each and every model one by one, and I enjoyed the puzzle to make every model able to stand next to one another. Age of Sigmar's round bases soured me on the reboot from the start.
I love 6th edition with all my heart. Everything about it felt awesome. Some of my favorite tabletop memories of all time. The perfect combination of gameplay, complex rules and lots of amazing lore. I lived and breathed that world and to an extent, I still do. Thanks for reminding me how awesome Warhammer Fantasy was!
6th edition Warhammer Fantasy was peak WHFB. I really hope something like this returns. I know other games have filled the hole (Kings of War) but it’d be nice if GW brought back Oldhammer
Fantastic video! I absolutely loved this edition, and still do! The answer to your question with the cannon: Yes, GW indeed wanted to encourage people with this kit to build their own diorama base for the cannon or mortar; see their comment on the coloured pages of the Imerium Army Book.
Splitting this box with a friend at the time was my first introduction to Warhammer and the hobby. Good old memories indeed. Now 20 years later I am painting up another Orcs army for my display cabinet. Love these sculpts. Great video btw!
I for one would really enjoy a tutorial about magnetizing plastic minis that weren’t apparently meant to be magnetized. That would be really interesting. Anyway, thanks for all the tutorials! They are very informative.
When that box came out, chariot bases weren’t a thing yet. As for the cannon, you’d just field them with all the parts separately, they didn’t move. Also, don’t you dare put them on round bases. You need the sides for base to base contact.
Oh.... my! I started with that box! So many memories!! No rich parents though, but a pence by pence saving for a long while and a good friend to share the box with. I always wanted Orcs anyways, and he agreed with the Empire. Good old times!
This was super nostalgic, I got into Warhammer in 1999 and I remember the huge buzz when 6th edition came out. I never got the starter set but Orcs & Goblins were my army of choice at the time. Also, the Liffey Street GW in Dublin was were it all began for me too :)
About the extra little parts on the cannon: It feels like that back then, players where given more "artistic liberties" I remember that the books almost clearly stated that the player, in case he feels like it, should be creative and make their own thing, be it their own sub faction fluff, terrain or whatnot. So if you wanted, you could use these to make terrain or a base for your cannon, or whatever.
The reason I gave up on GW was I took that 'creativity' on board and made up my own armies, with their own backstories and.... they changed their mind and I could no longer play them out.
@@flowinsounds I would agree that GW doesn't promote this "create your own fluff" mentality as much as it once did but, at least for me personally, it doesn't really matter. I still have a lot of fun with creating different things and there are many people out there who still do. As a matter of fact there is a whole community which does exactly that: Not relying on GW so much for their artistic escapades, but rather using the niche fluff and bits to make a truly unique... something. (in case you dont know: the "28" magazine is an amazing source for inspiration. They have lore, art, conversions and whatnot.). Sure, you cant take your homebrew armies to competitive games, but this isn't up my alley anyway, so it doesn't affect me. Now a narrative campaign with friends is always possible, and in my opinion the best way to enjoy the board-game as a game. Homebrew rules, idiotic ideas and whatnot. Rulebook is there only to create a basis from where to start. But Im in it mainly for the art. Dana here for example has dope painting skills, and has given me inspiration for a few projects already. TLDR: I kinda feel you, GW could do wayyy better in the promotion of personal creativity, but i dont care, because im to busy making my own stuff. Its not about what is given to us, but about what we create with it.
This was the set that originally got me into Warhammer. I had to save up for months to purchase it. Coming back into the hobby, the first thing I did was dig up this set again and get to painting those white and red uniforms, haha. Great video!
Thanks Dana! This was a great video that brought me back to my own first exposure into the hobby. I am happy to learn about some fantastic Toronto based Warhammer content creators. I look forward to seeing how you paint up the models and hope that you enjoy using them for Fantasy or Age of Sigmar!
This is unreal. I recently found my entire White Dwarf collection and thought it would be nice to skim the pages once more. I literally just finished issue #248 (September 2000) less than a few hours ago and said to myself how fortunate I was to be able to have experienced this release first hand and went about the rest of my day. I sit down to watch some YT while my midnight snack gets done and POW I'm greeted with THIS! It has truly been a great day! Thank you very much for sharing! Btw I still have that rulebook in pristine condition.
Awesome! This game was a HUGE part of my early gaming life. I still have boxes of all the editions but, by far, the Orcs of this edition are my favorite! Please paint them! I would live to see your “young” perspective and I could compare to my models. Well done and thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Chariots without their own base were a throwback to previous editions. In fifth, you had chariot damage charts. When you shot at them, you could hit a driver, the animals, or the structure of the chariot itself. That meant it was intended to be taken apart as it took damage. In early sixth, they simply hadn't redesigned the chariots yet to reflect the new rules.
This is such a cool video for me. This was the starter box that was available when I got into the hobby. That rulebook and sixth edition in general defined the way I think about the hobby (even thinking about painting as a chore. took me awhile to get over that) I got the orcs my brother got the empire and many bloody battles were fought on our dining room table. I still have the models from this box. They are hastily assembled, poorly painted, and they are the veterans of many little wars. Thanks Dana for the major nostalgia.
I think this is where I first started loving warhammer fantasy.. An old school teacher of mine had a copy and ran a warhammer club at our school. we painted up the models in her classroom at lunch. She was a great teacher. Thanks for the video Dana and Occulus. Hit with a huge dose of nostalgia!
Thanks Dana and Oculus for the video! I won't mince words, this was the golden age of Warhammer for both Fantasy and 40k. Modern editions are crude parodies of what once was.
I am so glad of this video. Thank you for this wonderful collab. I just wish to add a thought. In my opinion, the 'new style rules' are not lighter than 6th edition : AoS and 8th/9th 40k have absolutely more rules to remember, when you consider how many Warscroll/detachment abilities you have, how a weapon works a certain way for a model and in a different way for another, stratagems, endless spells, and so on... My girlfriend never tried fantasy wargaming, but she loves a match using Bretonnia now and then, as the core principles are easy to grasp, and there are no 'gotcha' stratagems or abilities to consider during the match. Only positioning and 'fluffy' intuitive rules.. It's in no way a perfect system, but it is amazingly fun and fresh even after 20 years. The hallmark of a great game.
First set I ever painted. Love my orcs and the tiny boar the warlord rides on so much I hunted down some extra in the little cardboard boxes figures used to come in.
It all makes sense. I also started playing (skirmish) wargames and d&d in the early 2000s and at that time I was a teenager and had MUCH MORE TIME TO PLAY than I have today. So I loved the complex rules, long gaming sessions and using the whole floor of my room as a battlefield. Now days I just want simple (streamlined?) rules and much quicker games so I can play them on my kitchen table when the kids go to sleep. I imagine a lot of (war)gamers had a similar change in priorities over the last 2 decades so the game manufacturers had to adapt.
Just started watching your channel, and I gotta say I love your opinion and personal experience vids! This is definitely keeping me sane through Election Day.
6th ed. was always my favorite. It moved away from herohammer of 4th/5th and brought the troops to the fore, without having the game be a contest of how many minis can I bring (looking at you 7th ed.) I also love the fact that the minis of the time, while being fantasy, still have a sense of being grounded in reality. That box contained a lot of great memories. Thanks for doing the vid!
Dana, check out the balance and rake on the boar wagon. With the boars on bases it makes the whole thing level and the builder doesn't have to worry about the rake (tilt) of the wagon. Also it puts less stress on the plastic this way and probably was easier to scult and mould.
What a fun watch! I really salute you for living your age-old dream :) on a fun side note: during the lockdown I started dusting off, repairing, and FINALLY painting my old Warhammer minis, to no small thanks to your inspiring videos. Underpainting is the s*** and I really enjoy finally putting some paint on my minis. A friend of mine got wind of me refurbishing my stuff, and after looking through all the rulebooks and editions we got at home, we decided to play again with the 6th edition rule set, because we kinda liked it the most and a quick research showed that it was actually kinda balanced (I am doing the same with 5th edition 40k, btw).
This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling of nostalgia. I love all the old stuff and even though modern minis are so much better I enjoy giving the old ones modern paomt jobs. My kitbashed and converted Night Lords have every kind of marine right from RT01 beaky marines to recent ones. Thanks for the upload.
That's cool you are from Toronto! I don't play or paint any fantasy or science fiction stuff,but I enjoy your tutorials. I grew up in Markham and played Dungeons and Dragons 20 to 40 hours a week from 1977 until about 1985. I painted and modeled quite a bit too. We used to drive to St. Catherine's to a place called the old Soldier that was tucked into the back of a hardware store twice a year. I recently started painting again after a 30 year break and just do 28mm WW2 for Bolt action. Really enjoy your tutorials. Haven't got to the level were I can use many yet though.
All the retro feels. I got into the hobby with this edition as well and also bought this box early on. I wouldn't generally say "good old times", but this part accompanies my until this day.
I have a bit of nostalgia of older boxsets. The Space Hulk boxset is one of them, and I think this one would also be a classic kit. You're lucky to get a hold of this box, I would play Empires vs Orcs. The art on the cover is what I like about some of the older editions of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000.
5th edition in 1997 was my first introduction to Warhammer, not counting the years leading up to it where I watched my friends play 40k 2nd edition and 4th edition Fantasy. When 6th came out, I'd just bought the High Elf army boxed set (a lot of models I still have and use in Age of Sigmar). The staff at the GW store kept trying to sell me the starter box, but I was resolute that all I wanted was the rulebook. Looking back, I wish I'd gotten the box. Such cool stuff inside.
This set was revolutionary, because it not simply had troops in it, it also had heros, warmachines and different types of units in it for such a good price! I started at the beginning of the 5th edition
Back in the day for fantasy war machines did not have bases. Basically, if a war machine is charged, you would line up the crew in a line to receive the charge. I personally put mine on bases so they wouldn't get lost and I could use all the little accessories.
All other great things about this video aside, I was really excited to hear the old segue music return (your choice of when to cut that off has always had me in stitches).
Damn your channel is awesome! I remember this box too but i got the 40K box with black templars and dark eldar in it. Great times. And a great time watching this video ❤️
Sixth edition is still played today with a growing number of supporters. Why not join in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle 6th edition Facebook group for support, inspiration and ideas. Tuomas Pirinen the geezer who wrote 6th edition is a member to and occasionally comments on rules discussions. Come join us.
You completely missed the opportunity when you said "square bases" to say "squuuuuaaaaaarrrrreeee baaaaassseee" and then go into a Square Space commercial!!! :D
Back in the day tanks and artillery pieces didn't have bases. My guess is that gw didn't produce anything bigger than the 40x40mm (just look how all the big ass dragons overflowed their bases hehe) but I could be wrong.
As an empire player back in the day, I can still remember the rules for firing cannons. Most of the time you'd misjudge the distance, roll badly, or the cannon would misfire and blow up. Or you'd judge everything perfectly, it would land directly in front of a big unit of chaos warriors.... And then fail to bounce at all and just thud harmlessly into the ground in front of them. But those rare times when everything lined up perfectly and the ball went crashing all the way through a big regiment wreaking utter havoc... Such sweet, sweet, destruction!
Such a cool video! Two of my favorite youtube channels collab! Is this real???? Thanks to Oculus for the lore and looking forward to seeing what Dana does with the minis!!!!!!!!!
thank you for the nostalgia, this was my last box for fantasy. Got it since I was trying to build an Empire army, and you are correct their troops dont give that fantasy feel, so this was also when I started sculpting and changing the empire troops to look more fantasy. Hope to see what these will become.
Great video and if you haven’t already, IMO, you could glue them to the square bases and get some trays on eBay to eventually play WHF and still use them without trays in AoS, square bases and all.
It was great set. Gav's writing was great. Believe that book also had the 'skirmish' rules which was essential the Mordhiem rules which were even back then getting the book was a challenge.
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I wrote the 6th edition and unboxed the very first box from the printers 20 years ago, so the nostalgia is Strong here. It is very interesting to see how someone without the previous attachment to the Warhammer game views this edition and box.
And some answers to your questions. ;)
-Why don't war machines and chariots have standardised bases? (There was a massive backlog of old models that came in all sorts of sizes that were usable in the game).
-What are these square bases? (This allows you to organise your army into regiments).
-Why is the art in black and white? (Colour pages cost quite a bit more back then, and making full-colour paintings was much slower before computers).
-Why is the book not 50% lore? (This edition was all about proving the players as much gaming content in the book as possible).
-Why are most of the plastic models single-pose? (Classic Warhammer required large armies to create the spectacle of wargaming. To keep costs down, Single-pose models were far more economic for the players).
-Why does the Cannon not come with a base? Why is the crew separate? (The crew could be killed one by one, and you had to be able to remove models to indicate the losses).
While we're on that topic, there's a question I've always had: Did you write the siege rules for both fifth and sixth?
@@poursperfectpints Yes I did.
@@tuomaspirinen8018 Then I have you to personally thank for getting me into Warhammer Fantasy. I'd started with 40K, but the siege battle report in WD 224 is what got me to switch over. The siege rules in both editions were fantastic.
@@poursperfectpints I honestly think those were some of my better work for GW for sure. Good times!
I was one of the playtesters for this edition. My name is in the front of the book. By far one of the best projects I ever worked on for GW. Tuomas Pirinen was the team lead and he was an absolute joy to work with.
The best of times!
Members at WFB6th Facebook group would be interested in hearing your story about this. If you have the time, pop in and introduce yourself.
Thanks for your work on this. Did you notice Tuomas was replied in the comments here to Dana and is has been pinned at the top?
I am both verifiably old and delighted to have had the chance to wax lyrical! Thanks for having me on, Dana! :D
Thanks for coming on the channel Oculus!!! I really appreciated your input on this one, it was great to make this video together :)
What was your ringtone Oculus that sounded so familiar
@@KarmicXRestrictions The Sailor Moon henshin theme!
Is your name related to the fact that you have gorgeous eyes? >.>
Old? Ha!
When you bought Rogue Trader and Warhammer Third edition at eighteen, then you're old.
:-)
They still haven't sent me that mail order promo set. My fiver!
Lol that was such a great video, Guy
How incredibly rude! They owe you that set!
HERESY.
Given how disorganised GW are and also probably still busy trying to get indomitus boxes together it will be sat on someones desk awaiting attention, I mean no one would just ignore you now would they?
i was thinking about that the other day! how long has it been?
I had to paint up all these Orcs and Empire to use on our "Intro Game table" at the GW I was working at when this came out. Ahhh the memories.
you worked there in a golden era my man!
This was the last edition of Warhammer I played before seeing your videos and starting to collect and paint again twenty years later. I can't overstate how much Warhammer has been an outlet through these long months of lock down and has reintroduced me to a fantastic community which seems to be more open and welcoming than ever before. Thanks Dana.
My pleasure, glad to hear it!
I miss those old Orcs so much, they looked so awesome lined up in blocks like that.
the ranks really added something to the aesthetic hey?
Looking at them now, I can definitely tell they were made in the same era as the 40K Ork Boyz models that were current until recently (and which, probably having to do with how monopose/monoloadout the new Boyz are, are still being sold). The two sets share a design sensibility.
I used to play with Jeff Wilson at dragons den games in Boone, NC. He painted the wood elves in the White Dwarf that came out showcasing 6th edition fantasy. I still have my autographed copy. His wood elves were amazingly painted!
Nice!
Square bases 100% 🙌🏼.
Great video Dana. Really appreciated the overview... as a die-hard “old worlder”. And player of 6th edition to this very day here in London where there is a living breathing community of players of this edition (and older ones too!)
We were due to run a 6th edition tournament earlier this month at a place called “bad moon cafe” but had to cancel it due to Covid-19 shinnanegans.
The basing conundrum is a strange one... all the extra bits were just that: “extra” intended to be built as a scenic diorama as you suggest, however GW missed a trick and consistently failed to supply large enough bases for war machines like chariots and cannons so hobbyists often had to buy them direct from mail order or make custom bases from plasticard or spare cardboard.
It was so very interesting seeing a fresh perspective on the treasures inside this box, some of your insights and impressions are very insightful and interesting and also often hilarious 😉
Please keep them based on squares and I can’t wait to see how you paint them up. I really have been inspired lately by your style and approach / I’m intending to use some of your techniques on a Slaanesh army I’ve been meaning to start for years!
Keep em coming and thanks again.
I'm very happy to have stumbled on your comment and found somewhere (at some point) to play wargames in SE London!
Edit: Forgot to say thanks. Thank you!
This was my first Warhammer set!! Still my favorite one ❤❤❤
All those sculpts were the full kit lol. It was a different time, and the appeal of plastic kits was that they were as cheep as possible and let you build up REALLY big blocks of 50 or 100 troops, which was how bigger games of Fantasy worked. As you added points, you kinda passed the stage of getting your biggest war machine or monster, and you just added bigger and bigger blocks of your core troops. These minimalist plastic kits were what made that accessible to more players (though still expensive)
The basing of the Chariots is interesting. Basically, the rules cared about the bases of the individual boars in combat to determine who can attack them and who they can attack, because they fought separately from the crew of the chariot. The chariots probably should have had bases too, but 6th edition was pretty chaotic rules wise, so they didn't hahaha. The cannon and crew are kind similar, as the crew could die individually, reducing the effectiveness of the cannon but not taking it out completely, so each crew member was on their own base so they could be removed, but for some reason they didn't give the cannon itself a base.
INTERESTING! this was the info i wanted? those basing decisions were so weird but that makes a bit more sense now, thanks!
@@DanaHowl I just double checked and I misremembered being able to attack creatures pulling a chariot, you couldn't do that. They did make their own attacks separately though, and needed their bases for determining which models in a line they were engaged with. Also you could move crew from one war machine to another throughout the game, which I think I never knew because I feel like some games I played as a kid might have gone differently haha.
Thank you for making this video! It's sending me down a very fun nostalgia rabbit hole.
Also whenever war machines like the cannon was charged, the crew members would form a line in front of the cannon and receive the charge. This is in contrast to something like the salamanders (living quasi-artillery) for Lizardmen, which all had bases since they could fight in melee too.
I started with this box, and both the Empire and Orc standard kits were different to the ones in here.
@@joshhales4718 There were other kits with different weapon options, but these were the kits for their respective units.
It's refreshing to hear someone's thoughts about oldhammer (if this qualifies as that) who wasn't in to it back then. I discovered Warhammer as this box was released 20 years ago, so this was very nostalgic for me!
I miss Warhammer fantasy so much.. i grew up with reading and collecting, painting and a bit playing.
broke my heart when it was scrapped for... never mind that, never happened in my mind.
Waiting for the old world now :)
I think it would be super cool to see you paint those minis with your quitte original style ! Like you've made with the iron golems :)
I have a few fun ideas in mind ✨
I remember getting this box for xmas back in the day, Excited to see what kind of funky scheme you come up with.
@@DanaHowl You should try the Coat D'arms paints (they match the old Citidel Paint from that era pretty close from what I'm told) and see what happens.
WHFB forever in my heart. It's a ton of fun to play
Yeah, older minis had plenty of instances where larger items just laid flat on the table. Base sizes were a lot more limited then, as opposed to today. I definitely remember the standard infantry square, the cavalry rectangle, and the larger square for larger models like ogres and troll, and there might have been a larger one for dragons, but I believe that's it.
Back in the early '90s I think that GW did 20mm square, 25mm square, 40mm square, 25x50mm rectangular and 25mm round bases. Oh, and a flying base too, which was hexagonal, for some reason. If a model wasn't suitable for one of those bases then it didn't come with a base. It sounds like they hadn't expanded their base options much by 2000.
You had to combine smaller bases or use plasticard/balsa wood for larger models. My Doom Diver and Orc Lobba are on balsa bases, while my chariots are 4 calvary bases (25x50mm) glued together.
@@nekrataali I played 40k in the 2000s but I definitely remember seeing some fantasy chariots on glued together cavalry bases
How this company changed the gaming world ! In the early seventies I had to send away for typed photocopied lists of lead soldiers and then find rule books from another supplier with no pictures that needed trigonometry and maths to understand. Terrain ? There was none. Scrounge what you could from model railways. Don't even get me started on the enamel paints that took forever to dry. This stuff was cutting edge, and yes you could use Empire troops for stuff like the Italian wars.
I can remember going to the lead figure
wow right in the nostalgias, and ive just finished painting the orc troops from my copy 20 years after getting them.
Looks really good to me, "the good old times"; when the persons painted the bases in Gobblin Green (you wasn't a person if you didn't paint the bases in Gobblin Green), bring good memories to me.
Even today I feel guilty not painting a base goblin green
@@andreapellegrino4469 Gobblin Green it's the way to go, imo, not do it means (to me) that you're a sinner and that you gonna burn in hell, next to Ronald Reagan and Adolf Hitler.
@@charles_wipman oh no, not Ronald Reagan!! Forgive me father for I have sinned
@@toferkrz946 lol that's true! I started collecting warhammer in 2003, so totally inside the 6th edition world, but living in a small town my only source of inspiration were books and magazines of a friend older than me, all from 5th edition. So I was all about goblin green! I didn't even know there was a 5th or 6th edition, to me all of that was warhammer. I was also unlucky since the first day I went to buy miniatures to the local (and only) hobbyist shop I said : I want to start a warhammer fantasy army, I want to start a chaos dwarves army!
Well I was pretty sad to discover those went oop years before:( had to switch taste to lizardmen (bought a blister of 4 skinks archers, also doomed to oop soon after)
did it with 40k too!
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. As an Empire lover from the 90's, I remember how excited I was to get plastic minis after buying so much metal models.
You handled the cannon like one of those people at the beginning of an infomercial where everything is disastrously difficult : D
My very first starter set, got it for my 13th birthday. 13 years still love the hobby. Thank you for the nostalgia!
Square bases are a huge reason why I never got into other mini war games - I wanted to put together UNITS that FIT TOGETHER and you treat them as a whole. It always seemed hell to move each and every model one by one, and I enjoyed the puzzle to make every model able to stand next to one another. Age of Sigmar's round bases soured me on the reboot from the start.
I love 6th edition with all my heart. Everything about it felt awesome. Some of my favorite tabletop memories of all time. The perfect combination of gameplay, complex rules and lots of amazing lore. I lived and breathed that world and to an extent, I still do. Thanks for reminding me how awesome Warhammer Fantasy was!
6th edition Warhammer Fantasy was peak WHFB. I really hope something like this returns. I know other games have filled the hole (Kings of War) but it’d be nice if GW brought back Oldhammer
Fantastic video! I absolutely loved this edition, and still do! The answer to your question with the cannon: Yes, GW indeed wanted to encourage people with this kit to build their own diorama base for the cannon or mortar; see their comment on the coloured pages of the Imerium Army Book.
6th ed was the game I learned to play and I absolutely adore the aesthetics and tone of the game that made my teen years so much less lonely.
naiceee! That box was my entrance into the hobby in christmas 2000. Time flies by...
I love seeing all of these older products from before I got into the hobby. Looking forward to you painting these, Dana!
Splitting this box with a friend at the time was my first introduction to Warhammer and the hobby. Good old memories indeed. Now 20 years later I am painting up another Orcs army for my display cabinet. Love these sculpts. Great video btw!
Oculus is the man! King of lore! I am so happy you have found GW Mrs. Howl. Love your art!
I for one would really enjoy a tutorial about magnetizing plastic minis that weren’t apparently meant to be magnetized. That would be really interesting. Anyway, thanks for all the tutorials! They are very informative.
do you mean for weapons etc? or general building?
When that box came out, chariot bases weren’t a thing yet. As for the cannon, you’d just field them with all the parts separately, they didn’t move.
Also, don’t you dare put them on round bases. You need the sides for base to base contact.
If anything, all Dianna's fantasy models need to be put on square bases. Stormcast look infinitely better on squares lol.
Oh.... my! I started with that box! So many memories!!
No rich parents though, but a pence by pence saving for a long while and a good friend to share the box with. I always wanted Orcs anyways, and he agreed with the Empire. Good old times!
This was super nostalgic, I got into Warhammer in 1999 and I remember the huge buzz when 6th edition came out. I never got the starter set but Orcs & Goblins were my army of choice at the time.
Also, the Liffey Street GW in Dublin was were it all began for me too :)
Definitely paint these in your style
OH IM GONNA LOL
I forgot to say please, oops
About the extra little parts on the cannon:
It feels like that back then, players where given more "artistic liberties"
I remember that the books almost clearly stated that the player, in case he feels like it, should be creative and make their own thing, be it their own sub faction fluff, terrain or whatnot.
So if you wanted, you could use these to make terrain or a base for your cannon, or whatever.
The reason I gave up on GW was I took that 'creativity' on board and made up my own armies, with their own backstories and.... they changed their mind and I could no longer play them out.
@@flowinsounds I would agree that GW doesn't promote this "create your own fluff" mentality as much as it once did but, at least for me personally, it doesn't really matter. I still have a lot of fun with creating different things and there are many people out there who still do.
As a matter of fact there is a whole community which does exactly that: Not relying on GW so much for their artistic escapades, but rather using the niche fluff and bits to make a truly unique... something. (in case you dont know: the "28" magazine is an amazing source for inspiration. They have lore, art, conversions and whatnot.).
Sure, you cant take your homebrew armies to competitive games, but this isn't up my alley anyway, so it doesn't affect me.
Now a narrative campaign with friends is always possible, and in my opinion the best way to enjoy the board-game as a game. Homebrew rules, idiotic ideas and whatnot. Rulebook is there only to create a basis from where to start.
But Im in it mainly for the art. Dana here for example has dope painting skills, and has given me inspiration for a few projects already.
TLDR: I kinda feel you, GW could do wayyy better in the promotion of personal creativity, but i dont care, because im to busy making my own stuff. Its not about what is given to us, but about what we create with it.
This was the set that originally got me into Warhammer. I had to save up for months to purchase it. Coming back into the hobby, the first thing I did was dig up this set again and get to painting those white and red uniforms, haha. Great video!
This Box was the start of my hobby journey :) I directly fell in love with that world.
Thank you Dana and Oculus - really enjoyed that one. The cannon segment was particularly superb : P
Thanks for bringing me back amazing memories 💛
I was 10 when i entered in this wonderful world
Thanks Dana! This was a great video that brought me back to my own first exposure into the hobby. I am happy to learn about some fantastic Toronto based Warhammer content creators. I look forward to seeing how you paint up the models and hope that you enjoy using them for Fantasy or Age of Sigmar!
This is unreal. I recently found my entire White Dwarf collection and thought it would be nice to skim the pages once more. I literally just finished issue #248 (September 2000) less than a few hours ago and said to myself how fortunate I was to be able to have experienced this release first hand and went about the rest of my day. I sit down to watch some YT while my midnight snack gets done and POW I'm greeted with THIS!
It has truly been a great day! Thank you very much for sharing! Btw I still have that rulebook in pristine condition.
Awesome! This game was a HUGE part of my early gaming life. I still have boxes of all the editions but, by far, the Orcs of this edition are my favorite! Please paint them! I would live to see your “young” perspective and I could compare to my models. Well done and thanks for the trip down memory lane.
Chariots without their own base were a throwback to previous editions. In fifth, you had chariot damage charts. When you shot at them, you could hit a driver, the animals, or the structure of the chariot itself. That meant it was intended to be taken apart as it took damage. In early sixth, they simply hadn't redesigned the chariots yet to reflect the new rules.
also I used to run an Empire army in Warhammer and I always liked the puffy sleeves and big feathered hats
This is such a cool video for me. This was the starter box that was available when I got into the hobby. That rulebook and sixth edition in general defined the way I think about the hobby (even thinking about painting as a chore. took me awhile to get over that) I got the orcs my brother got the empire and many bloody battles were fought on our dining room table. I still have the models from this box. They are hastily assembled, poorly painted, and they are the veterans of many little wars. Thanks Dana for the major nostalgia.
Great video! I'd love to see you paint these. Always nice to see oldhammer getting a look in.
I think this is where I first started loving warhammer fantasy.. An old school teacher of mine had a copy and ran a warhammer club at our school. we painted up the models in her classroom at lunch. She was a great teacher.
Thanks for the video Dana and Occulus. Hit with a huge dose of nostalgia!
Thanks Dana and Oculus for the video! I won't mince words, this was the golden age of Warhammer for both Fantasy and 40k. Modern editions are crude parodies of what once was.
I LOVED this set.
Was my first kind of foray into the hobby of painting.
Ahhh Warhammer 6th! I still have my Skaven and Vampires. 😊
Wow those orks are so cool! Seeing you paint these would be awesome!!!
I am so glad of this video. Thank you for this wonderful collab.
I just wish to add a thought. In my opinion, the 'new style rules' are not lighter than 6th edition : AoS and 8th/9th 40k have absolutely more rules to remember, when you consider how many Warscroll/detachment abilities you have, how a weapon works a certain way for a model and in a different way for another, stratagems, endless spells, and so on...
My girlfriend never tried fantasy wargaming, but she loves a match using Bretonnia now and then, as the core principles are easy to grasp, and there are no 'gotcha' stratagems or abilities to consider during the match. Only positioning and 'fluffy' intuitive rules..
It's in no way a perfect system, but it is amazingly fun and fresh even after 20 years. The hallmark of a great game.
This was my first WH purchase back in 2000. I’ll always love the Fantasy warhammer models, games, and sweet lore.
This box brought me back to the hobby after a long hiatus...
and until now it did not stop being a hobbyist
This was a complete delight 💚. Yes more retro, Always more Dana
That's a really great find. What luck.
those redacted style turn-of-the-century dice were such a trip back in the day
"Anything can happen"
PHRAAAAAASING :D
Seriously thanks for the trip down memory lane, I have many memorys including this box.
Fantastic vid, lot's of nostalgia
First set I ever painted. Love my orcs and the tiny boar the warlord rides on so much I hunted down some extra in the little cardboard boxes figures used to come in.
I can’t wait for your next painting video am rewatching all your videos now to get tips and inspiration you are amazing
Great video! I love the retrospective of the rules and the experience of the time.
Awesome box Dana! Also Oculus Imperia love hearing your dulcet tone recant lore.
It all makes sense. I also started playing (skirmish) wargames and d&d in the early 2000s and at that time I was a teenager and had MUCH MORE TIME TO PLAY than I have today. So I loved the complex rules, long gaming sessions and using the whole floor of my room as a battlefield. Now days I just want simple (streamlined?) rules and much quicker games so I can play them on my kitchen table when the kids go to sleep.
I imagine a lot of (war)gamers had a similar change in priorities over the last 2 decades so the game manufacturers had to adapt.
Just started watching your channel, and I gotta say I love your opinion and personal experience vids! This is definitely keeping me sane through Election Day.
Great video! Brought back some very pleasant memories!
Watching this video in anticipation of the Old World game. I saw this box when I was a kid but never got it so it’s a treat to see a breakdown of it.
6th ed. was always my favorite. It moved away from herohammer of 4th/5th and brought the troops to the fore, without having the game be a contest of how many minis can I bring (looking at you 7th ed.) I also love the fact that the minis of the time, while being fantasy, still have a sense of being grounded in reality.
That box contained a lot of great memories. Thanks for doing the vid!
Love this box so much, classical army combination and so much retrostuff.
Dana, check out the balance and rake on the boar wagon. With the boars on bases it makes the whole thing level and the builder doesn't have to worry about the rake (tilt) of the wagon. Also it puts less stress on the plastic this way and probably was easier to scult and mould.
What a fun watch! I really salute you for living your age-old dream :) on a fun side note: during the lockdown I started dusting off, repairing, and FINALLY painting my old Warhammer minis, to no small thanks to your inspiring videos. Underpainting is the s*** and I really enjoy finally putting some paint on my minis. A friend of mine got wind of me refurbishing my stuff, and after looking through all the rulebooks and editions we got at home, we decided to play again with the 6th edition rule set, because we kinda liked it the most and a quick research showed that it was actually kinda balanced (I am doing the same with 5th edition 40k, btw).
So much for the Indomitus box getting finished up by the end of the year 😂
OH ITS STILL HAPPENING
@@DanaHowl oh yeah? Is the warcry catacombs box not screaming at you from your FLGS then 😂
@@TheOneTheyCallJack Already ordered one LOL oh nooooo
@@DanaHowl my bank account is screaming at me for even thinking about ordering it
This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling of nostalgia. I love all the old stuff and even though modern minis are so much better I enjoy giving the old ones modern paomt jobs. My kitbashed and converted Night Lords have every kind of marine right from RT01 beaky marines to recent ones. Thanks for the upload.
That's cool you are from Toronto! I don't play or paint any fantasy or science fiction stuff,but I enjoy your tutorials. I grew up in Markham and played Dungeons and Dragons 20 to 40 hours a week from 1977 until about 1985. I painted and modeled quite a bit too. We used to drive to St. Catherine's to a place called the old Soldier that was tucked into the back of a hardware store twice a year. I recently started painting again after a 30 year break and just do 28mm WW2 for Bolt action. Really enjoy your tutorials. Haven't got to the level were I can use many yet though.
Empiretober?!?!?!?!?..... You monster, how very dare. Great vid, and congrats on your score! Merry Khornemass!
All the retro feels. I got into the hobby with this edition as well and also bought this box early on. I wouldn't generally say "good old times", but this part accompanies my until this day.
I remember playing this starter set in my local GW store when I was younger. Lots of nostalgia.
When you opened the lid my mind immediately went "ahh whippy sticks!"
^^
nostalgia is indeed strong, I started collecting with 5th ed but 6th is truly when I started.
I have a bit of nostalgia of older boxsets. The Space Hulk boxset is one of them, and I think this one would also be a classic kit. You're lucky to get a hold of this box, I would play Empires vs Orcs. The art on the cover is what I like about some of the older editions of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000.
Thanks!!! Yaaaa I feel super lucky that I got a hold of one for a decent price and in good condition, prices seem to have gone up even more now!
Awesome vid, I got a isle of blood set before 8th edition ended and you gave me the idea of buying the WD issue for it, famks! :B
5th edition in 1997 was my first introduction to Warhammer, not counting the years leading up to it where I watched my friends play 40k 2nd edition and 4th edition Fantasy. When 6th came out, I'd just bought the High Elf army boxed set (a lot of models I still have and use in Age of Sigmar). The staff at the GW store kept trying to sell me the starter box, but I was resolute that all I wanted was the rulebook. Looking back, I wish I'd gotten the box. Such cool stuff inside.
This set was revolutionary, because it not simply had troops in it, it also had heros, warmachines and different types of units in it for such a good price!
I started at the beginning of the 5th edition
Hahaha. Oh Dana 6th edition wasn't 20 yrs ago it's only like...(looks at the date.)...Oh God, I'm OLD.
(Great vid btw)
Back in the day for fantasy war machines did not have bases. Basically, if a war machine is charged, you would line up the crew in a line to receive the charge. I personally put mine on bases so they wouldn't get lost and I could use all the little accessories.
All other great things about this video aside, I was really excited to hear the old segue music return (your choice of when to cut that off has always had me in stitches).
Damn your channel is awesome! I remember this box too but i got the 40K box with black templars and dark eldar in it. Great times. And a great time watching this video ❤️
Great unboxing video! Retro is the best!
Sixth edition is still played today with a growing number of supporters. Why not join in the Warhammer Fantasy Battle 6th edition Facebook group for support, inspiration and ideas. Tuomas Pirinen the geezer who wrote 6th edition is a member to and occasionally comments on rules discussions. Come join us.
You completely missed the opportunity when you said "square bases" to say "squuuuuaaaaaarrrrreeee baaaaassseee" and then go into a Square Space commercial!!! :D
Loved watching this and would enjoy watching you paint them even if it’s for AoS
Back in the day tanks and artillery pieces didn't have bases. My guess is that gw didn't produce anything bigger than the 40x40mm (just look how all the big ass dragons overflowed their bases hehe) but I could be wrong.
yes so true - the larger rectangular chariot and 50mm large monster bases didn't come out until years later...
All monsters in 6th were on 50mm by 50mm.
Also randomly the Ogre Hunter.
This just made me realize the indomitus set has not cardboard terrain and I instantly missed it.
bring back cardboard terrain!
As an empire player back in the day, I can still remember the rules for firing cannons. Most of the time you'd misjudge the distance, roll badly, or the cannon would misfire and blow up. Or you'd judge everything perfectly, it would land directly in front of a big unit of chaos warriors.... And then fail to bounce at all and just thud harmlessly into the ground in front of them.
But those rare times when everything lined up perfectly and the ball went crashing all the way through a big regiment wreaking utter havoc... Such sweet, sweet, destruction!
Such a cool video! Two of my favorite youtube channels collab! Is this real???? Thanks to Oculus for the lore and looking forward to seeing what Dana does with the minis!!!!!!!!!
thank you for the nostalgia, this was my last box for fantasy. Got it since I was trying to build an Empire army, and you are correct their troops dont give that fantasy feel, so this was also when I started sculpting and changing the empire troops to look more fantasy. Hope to see what these will become.
Great video and if you haven’t already, IMO, you could glue them to the square bases and get some trays on eBay to eventually play WHF and still use them without trays in AoS, square bases and all.
It was great set. Gav's writing was great.
Believe that book also had the 'skirmish' rules which was essential the Mordhiem rules which were even back then getting the book was a challenge.