B414 Etc Series Bull pinions and differential
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- How to remove the bull pinion shafts, and differential of a B275, B414, 276, 434, 354, 444, and 384 International tractor and how to replace the brake seals.
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Seriously thank you for this video. Working on a 706 and this answered a lot of questions for me.
Awesome, glad I could help! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for posting these, this is the best info on the 414 I've found anywhere on the internet. I have two questions for you: how would you remove the right bull gear if the axle is already broken? Also what kind of gasket material would you use between the hydraulic unit and the differential housing?
great stuff, 👍👍
I am glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
Very nice video, very educated person on farm equipment, a skill that will feed your family and enjoy it at the same time. I'm assuming that you are enjoying it because of the lack of four letter words
Thank you very much, I do enjoy my work very much though I do have to edit out some colorful language when things are being "difficult". :) Thanks for watching!
Good job
I am glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching!
Super saar and mahindra distributor repair
All the Mahindras that I know of in this area are diesel, I don't think they were being imported until the 90s, and I've never even heard of a Super Saar, I don't think there are any in Canada. Thanks for watching!
Great vidio
I am glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
In the previous video you mention you sell parts, used and after market. Would you give more information on that. Old IH parts are getting scarce down in Georgia
My website is www.chowntractorparts.com all my contact info is there. :)
Thanks dave for your reply
To be clear gears fully meshed but no tension if it was to be adjusted could you advise how this was to be done?
Hoping my whine is a bad bearing assume this could whine also?
Andy.
I assume that a bearing could cause a whine, yes. You adjust the mesh of the crown and pinion by adding or removing shims from where the pinion shaft and bull pinion shafts mount.
Hi Dave I have a 454 international I'm trying to clean it up and fix some wiring. So pulled the seat and seat pan off when doing so I found a bolt just sitting in a hole on the lift housing it doesn't fit in there but on further inspection I noticed there are thread's down inside I have no idea what really belongs there it's just in front of the flow control valve and there is a bolt just to the left of it if your sitting on the tractor.looks like there was some kind of retainer in there to but it is missing some of it I was able to get some of it out if you need more info let me know and what ever belongs in there can I buy a new one the local dealer was not able to give me an answer.
Thank you
I'm not sure but that sounds like where the vent for the hydraulic system would be. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Dave
Final questions below if you don't mind it would be really helpful :-)
There are only 2 No shims ie located at bull bearing cage?
What would cause it to whine now assume wear and needs to be adjusted?
Is it now to late as the damage is done and beyond repair?
Thanks again for your help
If there is no slack between the gears and they are not too tight (pressing on each other/ tension) there is nothing to adjust. The only other thing to check is for chipped or broken teeth. Some gear set just whine, you may be the lucky guy that has one.
Hi Dave Thanks for the video's really helpful please do more.
I have a B250 with a whine in the back end going to lift the lid off over the next week or two almost sure it's the pinion and diff.
Have you any advice on how to setup or check the correct marrying of the pinion and diff?
Any advice on this would be very helpy and much appreciated ps is whining common on the b250 tractors?
Regards
Andy
It's been a while since i was around a B250, but I don't think they generally had much of a whine. You want the pinion and crown gears to mesh with much play but no tension on them either.
I am glad you enjoy the videos, thanks for watching!
I have a b275 that has gear oil leaking at the shaft that attaches to the brakes. The brakes are coated with oil. How would I go about changing that seal?
You have to pull the bull pinion shaft and housing and remove the bull pinion shaft from the housing. The seal goes in from the inside of the bull pinion housing. Thanks for watching!
Hi CR 424 diesel diff locking shaft leaking. It's coming out from the center shaft (moving shaft at end, not at inner brake plate) Is that a different seal or oring? Do I have to pull inner brake plate out??? Thx mucho!
The collar you have to depress to get at the lock has an o-ring inside and out to seal the oil in, I expect one of them is the issue.
Thanks for watching!
How different is this from the 733 tractor? It seems the IH 733 has a split pin to hold spring of the differential lock?
I'm not sure, I've never seen a 733, I don't think many made it to North America. Thanks for watching!
Quick question. I’m putting in my new bull pinion seals for the brakes. The new seals are thinner than the old ones. If I drive them all the way in they are loose in the groove all the way out by where the brake disc makes contact. Do you just drive them in part way so they stay tight? Hopefully you know what I mean. Sorry if it’s confusing. Trying to get it re assembled tonight. Thank you.
I would drive them into where they are a tight fit, if they are loose in the case they won't hold back the oil. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 thank you. It kinda surprised me that the new seals were thinner. The old seals were thick enough to go to the edge of the housing and still fit tight. Thanks again!
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would you have the procedure to change the diff lock sleeve , both my B414 tractors the sleeves are stripped , so no diff lock on either one
You have to pull the differential and spit it at the inner ring of bolts, the you can remove the dif lock sleeve. Thanks for watching!
do I have to pull the axels to do my seals on the bull pinion when doing new brakes only? will the diff stay in place once the diff lock assy is disconnected?
You have to remove the axles and move the bull gears to remove the bull pinion housings to get at the seals. If you take out one side at a time and replace it before taking the other side out the differential will mostly stay in place. Thanks for watching!
Hi Red, I can relate with your work, lol , I recently had timing /hydraulic gear strip on my b414 it is early model with small shaft only gear i could find had larger dia , witch i had to shim with pipe bushing, any info or aid to find a smaller dia gear? Kinda scared of my shim job although it runs could be costly if rips my key job. and thanks for videos .
I guess I wasn't aware that there are two different diameter hydraulic pump shafts, learn something new every day! :) Does your old gear have a part number stamped in it or a casting number, if so what is it?
wish I had saw this yesterday before I broke the bull pinion housing trying to take it off without drawing the half shafts and removing the bull gear
You're not alone, it happens fairly frequently. Thanks for watching!
Got my brakes off and have grease inside the drum. Would that be from a bad brake seal? Looks like I’d have to pull the hydraulic housing and pull the bull pinion shafts to replace if I’m understanding right? Or can the seal be replaced another way?
Grease in the brake housing would pretty much have to come from the bull pinion shafts, and yeah you have to pull the housings , the seal goes in from the inside, sorry. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 thank you!
Hi Dave i have a 275 and it will only drive on the right hand side wheel when you engage diff lock. It wont drive the left wheel and if you disengage diff lock the wheels dont turn at all when you release the clutch. What could the problem be? Regards Colin
THat is a broken LH axle. Don't drive it like that, it can push the bull gear right out through the bottom of the case. Thanks for watching!
can you unstick the differential with out going on the insaid of the transmissin
I guess that depends on why the differential is stuck.
Can those hubs be taken out without having to tear apart the whole tractor?
I need to replace the brake bull gear oil seals, and I don't want to tear the whole tractor apart to do this.
You have to take the rear axles out and move the bull gears to get the bull pinion housings out. Thanks for watching!
Mate I shoulda watched this first I’ve just put the axles in hydraulic unit back on before realising this seal needs work!!
Hi Dave, Thank for your educated videos. I want to change my 444 pull pinion seal due to leakage into break disk. Only side cover removing is enough to reach the seal ? your video confused me by the way I am ameteur for repairing.?
The seal goes into the bull pinion housing from the inside so you have to remove the axle and bull gear, then you can remove the bull pinion housing and take the bull pinion shaft out to get to the seal. Thanks for watching!
Hi mate, is it possible to remove the pinion housing without first removing the axles? I've got a couple of snapped bolts on the bottom of RHS housing causing oil to enter brake housing.
You have to remove the axles first so you can move the bull gears out of the way to pull the bull pinion housing out of the case.
Thanks for watching!
Cheers mate, that's what I thought. Great vids, keep it up.
I'm wondering why International didn't enlarge the outer part of the casting around the bull pinion. Then you could change the seal without removing the housing. It probably wouldn't get any more crap in front of the seal than what gets in with the small hole. Just my opinion. Nice video!
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Do you have the part number for the brake seals for the 414?
No but you can look them up at www.mycnhistore.com/us/en/caseih
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Video on fixing differential lock please
I will make a video on that, thanks. Until then, the differential lock is inside the differential carrier, it unbolts and splits around the middle. If you take it apart you should be able to see what is wrong with your differential lock. Thanks for watching!
I believe large brakes? What is the disc diameter for small and large discs in inches?
5 1/2 " small, 6 1/2" large
hello from finland i have old 414ih and i have problem my tractors differential lock doesnt work at all. mechanism is moving nicely when i push pedal with my leg but lock doesnt engage. can you help me where is the problem and sorry my bad english.
Your english is quite good, way better than my finnish! :) The differential lock is a sliding collar in the center of the differential. You will have to open the differential to check but I suspect that the spring that pushes it is broken, so the rod pushes in but the spring doesn't push the collar. Thanks for watching!
Hello i no this has nothing to do with your video! but has any one ever put a power steering kit on on a B-275 or any tractors like it would appreciate any info on this thanks in advance
I've never seen a B275 with power steering but factory power assist steering was available, it would fit from any of the tractors in this series. Thanks for watching!
Good day Boy that was interesting. I thought the differential looked awful big for that size of tractor. If you would take a IH M apart would that be bigger. Thanks good video
The Farmall M differential would be pretty close in size, maybe not quite as big. The 414 etc. is pretty similar size to a MF 35 or Ford 3000 but those two don't have any gear reduction, they are built pretty much like a pick-up differential, the 414 has the bull gears behind the differential for a final gear reduction like the H and M Farmalls so the differential takes less stress and delivers more torque. Thanks for watching and adding some good discussion!
Models without bull gears get their reduction in the transmission putting the torque load on the transmission and differential, models with bull gears or a planetary reduction beyond the differential have a 1:1 high gear in the transmission and have the main torque load on the final drives.
Dave, your such a smart guy. Video too short . lol.
LOL, it's the editing that makes me look smart. :) Thanks for watching!
were could i find 2 bull pinion shaft in canada
Check out www.chowntractorparts.com
Thanks for watching!
What to do if the diff lock does not release
Go digging, find out why. Thanks for watching!
HI, good video. Can I remove the LHS differential half-shaft without lifting the hydraulic cover? The shaft broke flush with the outside bearing housing/brake plate. thanks
You will have to lift the hydraulic cover and remove the left side axle as well because you have to move the bull gear out of the way to get the bull pinion shaft out. Thanks for watching!
@@CanadianRedneck15 Thank you for your reply.. Today I removed the LH Bull Pinion Half Shaft with the cage. I did discover that the LH side Bull gear does not come out unless you take out the PTO shaft. Also I only had to pull out the axle about 4" until the splines were clear from the bull gear. I have the larger brakes on my B414.
@@CanadianRedneck15 Hello. I finally replaced the LHS Bull Pinion shaft with a good used one. Now there is a clunking of the bull gears and the bull pinion shaft gears as they mesh. I installed a good used bull pinion shaft which appears to have less wear than the broken original I replaced. If I tighten the bull pinion cage nuts then the axle will not turn freely. If I loosen the cage nuts then it turns and clunks. Can I add more shims to the cage to stop the bull gear clunking? thanks
@@aussie54 Yes, add shims so that the gears turn freely when the bolts are tightened.
@@CanadianRedneck15Thanks. I would like to know how adding shimes actually affects the bull gears touching the bull pinion gears. Adding shims seems to move the cage further out left so how does it change the meshing to the bull gears at right angles?
What I would to know is how you found the lock ring so fast after it shot out? lol!
Invaluable information BTW!
I was just happy I didn't have to pick the lock ring out of my teeth! Thanks for watching!
Sir my I-H 2504 gas, has locked up on me, after a low rpm 2nd gear fwd start. With bucket load.
It let off the screatch of a banshee
& never ran again.
Engine is locked up tighter then a bull's ass..
Any thoughts?
Thanks
A banshee screech is always a bad sign! That's a bit of a tough call, could be a turned crank bearing or a seized piston, yo0u're going to have to tear into it to figure out what is actually going on. Thanks for watching!
Can I ask why this vintage International seems identical to the Russian Made Belarus - could they have copied this model the brake system is exactly the same with the ball and disc system. Are you aware of anything like that I happen to have a belarus with crap brakes and your video is very helpful.
Massey, Ford, and John Deere also used similar systems, everybody copies other manufacturers at some point.
Thanks for watching!
1550 loader lift arm rebuild
I assume you mean cylinders. I don't do that. Thanks for watching!
I have a 3414 backhoe
It's similar to Mahindra B275
Yes, Mahindra bought licence rights to build the B414 and B275 tractors in India and built them for decades after IH switched to newer models so folks in that part of the world had access to some excellent tractors from a local manufacturer. Thanks for watching!
HOLA ESPERO ESTES BIEN QUERIA COMENTARTE QUE ESTOY RESTAURANDO UN TRACTOR INTERNATIONAL B 414 , EL CUAL ME GUSTARIA ENVIARTE FOTOS PARA QUE ME DIJERAS SI VOY POR EL CAMINO CORRECTO Y ME PUDIERAS ASESORAR UNAS DUDAS QUE TENGO ....POR TU ATENCION GRACIAS
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@@CanadianRedneck15 gracias por responder saludos...
Is it possible to remove the right oil seal of the right brake without removing the upper cover of the differential mechanism and without tightening the large sprocket going to the rear wheel?
No, the seal goes in from the inside, you have to remove the axle and move the bull gear to pull the brake shaft housing out. Thanks for watching!