Great stuff again! I guess now you need to test the 230mm/9" XGT. RIP your bank account 😂. I also thought the 418 would best Makita, but it is a pretty old model.
I've been using my dcg418 for almost 5 years on a daily basis, and it has never let me down. To be honest, I'm surprised it's still up there with how long has it been around!
Would be interesting to compare the DCS692 9" cutoff to the DCG460. Also definitely appreciate you including stop time and how to the point your reviews always are.
You telling me the FLEX is an underperformer? 🥴 I like the Metabo because of the corded option and the top-mount handle, which is an oddly uncommon feature.
Wonder what the 40v XGT 7"/9"GAG10Z would do in comparison, makita says it's only a 13 amp replacement . The 40v XGT GAG14 is crazy powerful considering it out performs the Dewalt DCG418 with a 15ah battery on a 4040F 4ah ( 8ah size ) . Have 2 DCG418 and they are the benchmark to beat.
Yeah it's hard to say without testing the GAG10Z, claims the same amps as the GAG14 but the motor is different. Good to hear the DCG418s have worked well.
Great video and comparison, as always! I really appreciate you highlighting the stop time-it’s such an important safety factor. For most people, an 18V/24V grinder will get the job done. All of my grinders are 18V, and while jumping from a 4.5" or 5" grinder to a 7" doesn't seem like much, the power difference is huge and you can definitely tell the jump in performance. That said, managing that extra power becomes more of an art - bigger cut off wheels, etc. Thanks for the great content!"
The 36 V 6 inch MHPT grinder is the one I want to see tested, let me know if you wanna test it man. I’m happy to help, I’m in Indiana but I appreciate the fact you’ve provided me with tons of good data and comparisons over the past few years but I own the dv3615dvf 4&1/2”-6” 36v and I find it to be a great compromise of power and run time
I almost bought that one, but got this one for a great price during Prime Days. That said it looks like the grinder is the same, with only the guard changing. Both are rated at 1500W. Yeah 36v Metabo performed well and has a few features the others don't have. Glad to hear you're finding the videos useful!
@Jeff-rk8hq if i had to guess the 2 grinders are probably a little more then just a guard change. They are probably the same motor but geared differently. The 6" would probably be less rpm with more torque and the 4 1/2 would be more rpm with less torque. Thats what dewalt did with the dcg418 and 440 but thats a 6 and 7". Basically cutting into thicker material the 6" metabo would probably handle it better then the 4 1/2. Thats jus my guess. At the same time the 4 1/2" would prob be faster on thinner material
Milwaukee just came out with the new 3674-20. Not sure what the difference is from the 3670, but would be cool to see the 3674 tested. Thanks for the great content!
@@sevenninthsfabmachine looks like one-key and variable speed. Also says it's 7" rather than 6", but body looks the same. Parts diagram isn't available yet, so hard to compare.
3:16 it did worse with the 12AH FlexVolt for the exact same reason tools often do worse with DCB208 vs. DCB206: Samsung 40T cells versus Samsung 30T cells. The 30T cells are higher current, lower capacity. DCB609 (9AH FV) uses 3P5S Samsung INR21700-30T and DCB612 (12AH FV) uses INR21700-40T.
That Makita is a strong performer and good for me as i have some of their 20V range. Dewalt are king of the torque with a lot of their tools though. Thanks for the video.
3:12 the 460 getting beaten by the 418 with the 12Ah makes me think something went wrong. Maybe the 460 or the 12Ah was already hot from doing another test shortly before.
Yeah it's possible heat played a role, the 12ah was on the 418 for 3 pulls. Charged for about 10min and then put on the 460 after siting another 10min. It didn't feel hot but again it's possible, probably should have let it sit for a hour.
Just what i been waiting for. I have all the dewalt grinders myself already. Definitely didnt know about how good that makita 40v is. Thats impressive in that 6" grinder size. I kinda want it lol. I see the new milwaukee has caught up as well. The one thing ill say is that dewalt dcg418 has been out since like 2018 so it took some time for these others catch up and its still up there. I use it everyday since then and its still going as well. So its certainly durable too
@parkerk7018 no it doesnt unfortunately. I bought some metabo handles online that were for a larger grinder that had a m14 thread and then got a m10 to m14 thread adapter. The dcg418 is the m10 thread. Im guessing the dcg460 is m12 thread but im not 100%. Its in between. 1 of my grinders the thread got chewed up so i actually drilled and tapped the thread to m14. So thats an option too
Glad to hear it! Yeah the 40V Makita is a shocker. I agree the Milwaukee finally caught up, will be interesting to see if we get a new version of the 418 soon. I would really love to see tabless flexvolt packs. Thanks for the info on the durability, thats hard to test over a short period of time.
@Tools-Tested i could see dewalt sticking with pouch cell considering they were first to introduce it. Also the new dewalt powershift line is pouch cell im pretty sure
Добрый вечер уважаемый автор!Мне очень нравится Ваш канал и Ваша подача информации,такого нет ни у одного обзорщика,Вы лучший обозреватель и тестировщик инструмента,все по честному с хорошим и точным оборудованием.Очень порадовала моя макита модель 050,выходит,что она самая мощная в мире,аккумуляторная ушм с диаметром диска 125мм,очень рад,что сделал правильный выбор бренда макита,но девольт тоже порадовал и не наврал про мощность в 3000вт в модели 460 с диаметром диска 230мм.Здоровья Вам и побольше таких обзоров с тестами и сравнениями хорошего профессионального инструмента.На очереди наверно теперь будут циркулярные пилы?Очень бы хотелось увидеть такие же сравнения в циркулярных пилах.Всего Вам самого наилучшего!!!
It’s the exact same reason the DCB208 does worse than the DCB206: Samsung INR21700-30T cells (9AH FV; 6AH XR) Vs. Samsung INR21700-40T cells (12AH FV; 8AH XR) 30T cells have lower capacity but higher amperage discharge.
@Tools-Tested The 9AH and the 12AH FlexVolts both use 15x 21700 cells, not 18650. The 6AH and 15AH FlexVolts use 18650 cells. The 15AH is so much bigger because it uses 30x cells!
Great video i like this channel keep up your good work , i am really impres by this milwaukee i bought it since he came out and its an animal hard to stall , i have also the supercharger so i can run it almost continiously
For the price of the tool and the battery, the metabo hpt is solid if you don't need top of the line grinder performance. The 4ah 36v battery commonly goes on sale for 100ish, and sometimes even comes free in promo deals. The closest competitor, the ridgid, requires a 239 dollar 12ah battery to compete performance wise, and those 12ah don't go on sale. Both also offer lifetime warranties for the tools (ridgid does offer lifetime warranties on batteries but I don't see that being sustainable as they're a wear item). I wish hpt would do more with the brand in the states. Hikoki does so much better in global markets because they actually invest into the multivolt line there
@Tools-Tested the issue wasn't changing their name, it was not making it hikoki in the states like they did globally. Metabo hpt and metabo are two completely seperate companies
Should be approaching the speed of a plasma cutter by now, just with less cleanup. The RPM of a grinder is tied to the wheel diameter. Most cutting wheels are limited to 80m/s. Most cordless grinders don't achive that, they typically spin slower than they could. With a 9" wheel the big Dewalt is actually on the higher end among the models tested here.
@@Tools-TestedSomeone in marketing was probably asking, “why does our most powerful, fastest cutting angle grinder have a spec sheet that makes it look weak?” In this case, though, the tip speed is actually a good spec to include since it’s more meaningful.
The new Dewalt FV 460 is more power but rpm is slower than the 418. For the price 418 is a good balance between rpm and torque. I'm curious what a 12ah result would be.
Depends on the model. Makita prefers to keep their circs small and light. Once you get to the rear handle (RS001G) or 235mm (HS009G) or 270mm (HS011G) , then they get very powerful. Hikoki is the only other brand that makes a cordless 235mm saw, so not a lot to compare to. It'll interesting to see the RS001G against the new Milwaukee segmented rear handle.
@riba2233 pretty sure the latest M18 165mm and 184mm saws will beat Makita simply by having larger and heavier motors. Only comparable saws between the brands are the rear handles as Milwaukee doesn't make a 235mm or 270mm saw.
@@riba2233 I might be wrong about the XGT rear handle. It looks to have identical motor to the HS003G (but different part numbers), so will probably be less powerful than the new M18. The 235mm and 270mm saws have much bigger motors.
@Tools-Tested should it matter where things are made? Of have you forgotten that your grand mother use to save her fine china dinner ware for special occasions
Your content is amazing. Thanks for creating all these great videos.
Thanks! Glad you like them!
Would be very interested in seeing some circular saw testing. Blade left, blade left, compact, rear handle and so on...
Yeah hopefully in 2025!
Great stuff again! I guess now you need to test the 230mm/9" XGT. RIP your bank account 😂. I also thought the 418 would best Makita, but it is a pretty old model.
Yeah I notice the 9" claims the same amp, but the motor is different. It will have to wait till next year, I don't need anymore debt....
I've been using my dcg418 for almost 5 years on a daily basis, and it has never let me down. To be honest, I'm surprised it's still up there with how long has it been around!
@hammyzgod that 60v man is jus great for something like a grinder. The lower voltage especially 18 jus couldnt compete before.
Would be interesting to compare the DCS692 9" cutoff to the DCG460. Also definitely appreciate you including stop time and how to the point your reviews always are.
You telling me the FLEX is an underperformer? 🥴 I like the Metabo because of the corded option and the top-mount handle, which is an oddly uncommon feature.
Wonder what the 40v XGT 7"/9"GAG10Z would do in comparison, makita says it's only a 13 amp replacement . The 40v XGT GAG14 is crazy powerful considering it out performs the Dewalt DCG418 with a 15ah battery on a 4040F 4ah ( 8ah size ) . Have 2 DCG418 and they are the benchmark to beat.
Yeah it's hard to say without testing the GAG10Z, claims the same amps as the GAG14 but the motor is different. Good to hear the DCG418s have worked well.
Great video and comparison, as always! I really appreciate you highlighting the stop time-it’s such an important safety factor. For most people, an 18V/24V grinder will get the job done. All of my grinders are 18V, and while jumping from a 4.5" or 5" grinder to a 7" doesn't seem like much, the power difference is huge and you can definitely tell the jump in performance. That said, managing that extra power becomes more of an art - bigger cut off wheels, etc. Thanks for the great content!"
Thanks! Yep stop time is a big deal IMO. I agree even going to 6" grinder changes how you handle the grinder. Glad you like the content!
I have build couple of tabless 12AH Flexvolt batteries. If you’re interested I can you send you some for your testings.
Hmm, where did you happen to get the cells? I was planning to build one.
The 36 V 6 inch MHPT grinder is the one I want to see tested, let me know if you wanna test it man. I’m happy to help, I’m in Indiana but I appreciate the fact you’ve provided me with tons of good data and comparisons over the past few years but I own the dv3615dvf 4&1/2”-6” 36v and I find it to be a great compromise of power and run time
I almost bought that one, but got this one for a great price during Prime Days.
That said it looks like the grinder is the same, with only the guard changing. Both are rated at 1500W.
Yeah 36v Metabo performed well and has a few features the others don't have.
Glad to hear you're finding the videos useful!
Well, now I know Metabo HPT makes one of those.
@Jeff-rk8hq if i had to guess the 2 grinders are probably a little more then just a guard change. They are probably the same motor but geared differently. The 6" would probably be less rpm with more torque and the 4 1/2 would be more rpm with less torque. Thats what dewalt did with the dcg418 and 440 but thats a 6 and 7". Basically cutting into thicker material the 6" metabo would probably handle it better then the 4 1/2. Thats jus my guess. At the same time the 4 1/2" would prob be faster on thinner material
Can you imagine a tabless or pouch cell 15amp battery
Yeah that would be crazy!
Milwaukee just came out with the new 3674-20. Not sure what the difference is from the 3670, but would be cool to see the 3674 tested. Thanks for the great content!
@@sevenninthsfabmachine looks like one-key and variable speed. Also says it's 7" rather than 6", but body looks the same. Parts diagram isn't available yet, so hard to compare.
@ Ah, One-Key + variable speed makes sense. Thanks!
These are getting really good. I remember my gen 1 M18. It was lame but there wasn’t a lot of other better options
That is absurd!
3:16 it did worse with the 12AH FlexVolt for the exact same reason tools often do worse with DCB208 vs. DCB206: Samsung 40T cells versus Samsung 30T cells. The 30T cells are higher current, lower capacity.
DCB609 (9AH FV) uses 3P5S Samsung INR21700-30T and DCB612 (12AH FV) uses INR21700-40T.
Yep bad cells for high amp draw.
That Makita is a strong performer and good for me as i have some of their 20V range. Dewalt are king of the torque with a lot of their tools though. Thanks for the video.
Yeah I was surprised by the Milwaukee when I originally tested it. No problem! glad you liked it.
3:12 the 460 getting beaten by the 418 with the 12Ah makes me think something went wrong. Maybe the 460 or the 12Ah was already hot from doing another test shortly before.
Yeah it's possible heat played a role, the 12ah was on the 418 for 3 pulls. Charged for about 10min and then put on the 460 after siting another 10min. It didn't feel hot but again it's possible, probably should have let it sit for a hour.
Just what i been waiting for. I have all the dewalt grinders myself already. Definitely didnt know about how good that makita 40v is. Thats impressive in that 6" grinder size. I kinda want it lol. I see the new milwaukee has caught up as well. The one thing ill say is that dewalt dcg418 has been out since like 2018 so it took some time for these others catch up and its still up there. I use it everyday since then and its still going as well. So its certainly durable too
Can the rubber handle from the 460 fits on the 418?
@parkerk7018 no it doesnt unfortunately. I bought some metabo handles online that were for a larger grinder that had a m14 thread and then got a m10 to m14 thread adapter. The dcg418 is the m10 thread. Im guessing the dcg460 is m12 thread but im not 100%. Its in between. 1 of my grinders the thread got chewed up so i actually drilled and tapped the thread to m14. So thats an option too
Glad to hear it! Yeah the 40V Makita is a shocker. I agree the Milwaukee finally caught up, will be interesting to see if we get a new version of the 418 soon. I would really love to see tabless flexvolt packs.
Thanks for the info on the durability, thats hard to test over a short period of time.
@Tools-Tested what do you think would be better tabless flexvolt packs or pouch cell flexvolt packs?
@Tools-Tested i could see dewalt sticking with pouch cell considering they were first to introduce it. Also the new dewalt powershift line is pouch cell im pretty sure
Would the DCG460 handle fit their other models too?
Sadly it won't, threads are much bigger on the 460 vs 418.
I reckon the dcg440 packs some punch.
Pregunta que diferencia de fuerza hay entre ese 460 y el 440 que lo tengo y tiene mucha fuerza aver si lo compro
Try and see if the handle from the 460 fits on the 418
Sadly it won't, threads are much bigger on the 460 vs 418.
@ that’s to bad! Will there be future videos featuring the 418/460?
Probably not unless we see a tabless flexvolt battery next year.
@@Tools-Tested what do you think of the new flexvolt log splitters?
Добрый вечер уважаемый автор!Мне очень нравится Ваш канал и Ваша подача информации,такого нет ни у одного обзорщика,Вы лучший обозреватель и тестировщик инструмента,все по честному с хорошим и точным оборудованием.Очень порадовала моя макита модель 050,выходит,что она самая мощная в мире,аккумуляторная ушм с диаметром диска 125мм,очень рад,что сделал правильный выбор бренда макита,но девольт тоже порадовал и не наврал про мощность в 3000вт в модели 460 с диаметром диска 230мм.Здоровья Вам и побольше таких обзоров с тестами и сравнениями хорошего профессионального инструмента.На очереди наверно теперь будут циркулярные пилы?Очень бы хотелось увидеть такие же сравнения в циркулярных пилах.Всего Вам самого наилучшего!!!
Спасибо! Makita и Dewalt 460 показали впечатляющие характеристики.
Я надеюсь протестировать циркулярную пилу в следующем году!
Еще раз спасибо!
For some reason the 12ah seems to do worse for some tools. I don't understand why.
Yeah it struggles with high amp draw, using (21700-40T)
@@Tools-Tested thanks for elaborating on that. I appreciate the technical aspects of your channel. 😊👍
It’s the exact same reason the DCB208 does worse than the DCB206:
Samsung INR21700-30T cells (9AH FV; 6AH XR)
Vs.
Samsung INR21700-40T cells (12AH FV; 8AH XR)
30T cells have lower capacity but higher amperage discharge.
@Tools-Tested The 9AH and the 12AH FlexVolts both use 15x 21700 cells, not 18650. The 6AH and 15AH FlexVolts use 18650 cells. The 15AH is so much bigger because it uses 30x cells!
@@emmettturner9452 yep sorry for some reason I had 186500s on the mind
Great video i like this channel keep up your good work , i am really impres by this milwaukee i bought it since he came out and its an animal hard to stall , i have also the supercharger so i can run it almost continiously
Thanks! will do, yeah the Milwaukee packs a punch with the new forage batteries.
For the price of the tool and the battery, the metabo hpt is solid if you don't need top of the line grinder performance. The 4ah 36v battery commonly goes on sale for 100ish, and sometimes even comes free in promo deals. The closest competitor, the ridgid, requires a 239 dollar 12ah battery to compete performance wise, and those 12ah don't go on sale. Both also offer lifetime warranties for the tools (ridgid does offer lifetime warranties on batteries but I don't see that being sustainable as they're a wear item).
I wish hpt would do more with the brand in the states. Hikoki does so much better in global markets because they actually invest into the multivolt line there
Yeah it's a good value for anyone running HPT, I think Metabo really hurt the brand when they changed the name.
@Tools-Tested the issue wasn't changing their name, it was not making it hikoki in the states like they did globally. Metabo hpt and metabo are two completely seperate companies
Should be approaching the speed of a plasma cutter by now, just with less cleanup.
The RPM of a grinder is tied to the wheel diameter. Most cutting wheels are limited to 80m/s. Most cordless grinders don't achive that, they typically spin slower than they could. With a 9" wheel the big Dewalt is actually on the higher end among the models tested here.
I love a good plasma cutter, been half tempted to buy one from HF.
Yep it's interesting how they like using the tip speed vs actual driven RPM.
@@Tools-TestedSomeone in marketing was probably asking, “why does our most powerful, fastest cutting angle grinder have a spec sheet that makes it look weak?”
In this case, though, the tip speed is actually a good spec to include since it’s more meaningful.
My 2880 is jealous. 😂
Lol, the 2880 gets a little boost using the forge battery's. The new 3670 is a beast though.
The new Dewalt FV 460 is more power but rpm is slower than the 418. For the price 418 is a good balance between rpm and torque. I'm curious what a 12ah result would be.
Yep the 418 has good speed and power, the 12ah performed like the 6ah.
I had no clue the makita was that strong , i use some xgt stuff they are great but some are weak like the cir saw
circ is not weak at all lol, where did you get that from...
Depends on the model. Makita prefers to keep their circs small and light. Once you get to the rear handle (RS001G) or 235mm (HS009G) or 270mm (HS011G) , then they get very powerful. Hikoki is the only other brand that makes a cordless 235mm saw, so not a lot to compare to. It'll interesting to see the RS001G against the new Milwaukee segmented rear handle.
@riba2233 pretty sure the latest M18 165mm and 184mm saws will beat Makita simply by having larger and heavier motors. Only comparable saws between the brands are the rear handles as Milwaukee doesn't make a 235mm or 270mm saw.
@@toolscientist they might but still I would never label any xgt saws as weak, they have plenty power especially some models :)
@@riba2233 I might be wrong about the XGT rear handle. It looks to have identical motor to the HS003G (but different part numbers), so will probably be less powerful than the new M18. The 235mm and 270mm saws have much bigger motors.
So what if its made in Mexico, you keep bringing that up like you have a problem with it???
I prefer it being made in Mexico over China.
@Tools-Tested should it matter where things are made? Of have you forgotten that your grand mother use to save her fine china dinner ware for special occasions
Of course it matters.