Tank Chats #80 Black Prince | The Tank Museum
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The designers of the Churchill tank were commissioned to build a tank which could hold the larger 17 pounder gun. The Centurion was chosen to go in to production instead of the Black Prince, due to its superior engine and armour.
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Called the Black Prince, because it could only get to the battlefield if it were a Hundred Years War.
Underrated commentb
Now this is how a history nerd composes a joke.
"A very, very slow churchill."
That's like saying very, very wet water...
Bird_Dog I mean the Churchill at least was known to be good at climbing hills
@@deeznoots6241 Centurion might find it easier with the Meteors' extra oomph ;-)
@Deez Noots
Sure. The Churchill may have ben slow, but it was able to go pretty much everywhere - given enough time that is...
It was a mountain goat. Just a very slow one.
However, the Black Prince kinda stretched the concept past its breaking point.
Black Prince didn't have to climb any hills. It made them flat. ;) And geological processes needn't be fast. :P
@@kerebronemtadrata5459 It's still on its' way to the Cold War :-0
This was really pushing the infantry tank concept when the infantry probably had to slow down for it.
Yes. "Walk, don't run lads. Don't mind the bullets, we musn't leave our tanks behind!"
I think it was a proof of concept , they had plans to mount the rolls royce meteor which would have made it quite alot faster.
@@Jasontvnd9 lp
@@bcluett1697 😆
It was so slow it didn't get to the front line before the war ended.
Nice comment :-)
@@jackcameback Thanks
Mike Munoz This was the original tank for Oddball from Kelly’s Heroes. They switched to Shermans when they figured, there is only one...
Omg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Germans: "We are already stretching it with 700hp Maybach for the 56ton Tiger"
Brits: "Hold my tea will you old chap?"
At least the Black Prince's gearbox can handle the mass..... When it isn't deciding to just loose all your torque so you have to start over.
@@sprocket580 As I recall it got about as reliable as the average british tank, which isn't particularly saying much :s
@@Marc83Aus Tiger engine, Brit transmission, wunderwaffe confirmed.(?)
@@Marc83Aus I saw a complete show on why they had transmission problems. Once the gears were beefed up and drivers were taught how to and not to drive, transmission problems were not so common. By the G model Panther most problems had been taken care of. You have to remember especially in Russia most German tanks has to travel under their own power for hundreds of miles between battles. Train transport wasn't always possible esspecially later in the war. I didn't read much regarding breakdowns during the battle of the bulge where they had to travel for many miles under their own power in terrible conditions.
Tigers problem was the transmission not the engine
"Why not put Centurion turret on a Churchill ?" Sounds like something WG would do to cash-in onto new premium tank....
Or centurion hull on churchill turret.
They already have lol
Such a shitty game, at least War thunder is a lot less money-hungry.
@@adanzavala4801 cant hold back to flex with your shitty game eh?
@@adanzavala4801 to be fair they are different games and they are both pretty shitty
"The idea was to give the driver a better view over to the right and left. Whether he really got it or not is another matter". Mr Fletcher makes my day again!
no dont laugh but like the Churchill it does go up very steep hills, but by the time it reaches the top weathering and natural erosion has flattened the hill to a gentle rise..
*Rule Britannia plays at quarter speed
Hahahahahaha, nice one!
And in lowered pitch.
God Save the King/Queen is slow enough for a Black Prince...
British Grenadiers would fit better
Its even funnier when you realize you can play it that way on RUclips:
ruclips.net/video/v1urOM_YftI/видео.html
It would've been a speed demon if they'd gotten it built in time for the 1918 spring offensive. :P
Geez it would of done well back then
Churchill Mk VII: Who are you?
Black Prince: I'm you but thicker.
And a bit of a wide boy
#Thicc
Gimme the thiccness
Not just wider, it's longer too. Count the wheels. ;)
Mr. Fletcher, I think I speak for everyone when I say there needs to be an exhibit dedicated to the evolution of your moustache at Bovington Tank Museum. Your moustache has as much history as any tank.
Indeed. I remember back in 2011 when I saw it in a documentary about the S tank. A masterpiece
@@Matakshaman You should watch the 1998 documentary series "Tanks", where The Fletch rocks a less Walrus and more Marten mustache. The evolution of his mustache is quite extraordinary, worthy of a video itself
ruclips.net/video/tAwAwktjTzU/видео.html
here's a trailer
All hail the moustache and the wonderful human behind it! If someone would compile all his interviews throughout the years, I’d buy the DVD. Heck, I’d buy the VHS!
I totally agree, that is the type of moustache that built the british empire😊
"Should be fine." British engineer when justifying the engine choice.
In fairness, he has mentioned elsewhere that the engine may not have been intended as the final one had it advanced to service, and the Meteor may have been chosen. Just they don't have any documentation to show this for sure, only slim clues.
I suspect they were under a significant time constraint and reusing the existing engine would be quicker.
Quicker, but not faster, you might say.
@@cliffordis That's about right! :)
British understatrment. Just as the Spitfire, the Mosquito, the Lancaster, various warships, the Challenger tank, to name but a few, were just fine. And I'm sure the same can be said of the P51, the P38, the B17 various American warships and the Sherman tank. All should be fine.👍
"It's a big Churchill, but a very very slow one."
Best description of the Black Prince I've heard of.
Btw how did the Black Prince get its name?
Edward the Black Prince
Best I recall the name was standard for a heavier version of a production tank. I think I saw somewhere that a Cromwell Black Prince was a prototype with a heavier turret and a couple of other examples similar to that.
The Black Adder comes to mind 🤣
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_the_Black_Prince
The bosses dildo
The mustache speackith.....thy shall listen!
Listenth
Mustathe
Thou shalt
The gearbox issue was a rare detail. Thanks Mr. Fletcher.
Its a churchill, but bigger, and slower...
Perfect!
room for more tea!
Being called Black Prince, it put me in mind of the movie, A Knight's Tale. Next thing, I'm daydreaming of Tankfest and the Black Prince and a Centurion having a joust in the lists.
I wish David Fletcher would sit next to my bed every night when I go to sleep and tell me a bedtime story about tanks. Did he ever record an audio book?
Thank you , Mr Fletcher .
That 17 pounder was a heck of a gun.
That's a great looking tank!
Could you do a tank chats about the Conqueror???
Please
This right here.
I got to meet David Fletcher at Tankfest. I can listen to him for hours, and he was such a nice bloke. He's the uncle I wish I had.
Why'd you have to say Vauxhall made the Churchill? It's ruined for me now. Every time i see one i'll think "Astra diesel".
The Cromwell was made by Rover.
They did. However, the Comet was probably more fit for purpose and the Centurion was a WWII tank too so that title probably belongs to the Centurion.
@@yereverluvinuncleber Sure, however Comet entered service 6 months too late to make a difference and Centurion was only ready for testing when the war in Europe ended. Churchill gets the crown because it saw combat from August '42 to the end of the war.
We all know these facts, nothing new there. They do not change the veracity of the statement, that being the best British tank of WWII.
@@yereverluvinuncleber When it became available to the front line is part of the criteria, in my opinion. Take the Spitfire for example; a great fighter, in part, because it entered service at the right time. If the Spitfire hadn't been available until the last few months of the war, even if it it was equivalent of the real-world late-war Spitfire variant, it would not be highly regarded.
This man is a legend...
I learned a lot from this. Thank you mister Fletcher.
Great looking tank, real masculine stocky guy. Like a Churchill been working out.
Thank you all for the great content. I never knew that i was so interested in tanks till i ran across this channel last year
"The tank slowed down, almost at once." How could you tell?
Thank you David like always great job
Another excellent video from the Tank Museum! Thanks so much! David and his moustache are legends!
I think you are a brilliant presenter David. You communicate your enthusiasm for AFVs really well
It seems an astonishing reflection on the British tank industry when one notes how archaic this tank was for the time in which it was designed in: the poor shape of the frontal armour compared to the German big cats, the T34 and even the Sherman; the slab-sided turret, as mentioned, again compared to the German tanks; but absolutely astounding is the power to weight ratio. As somebody mentioned in the comments: the King Tiger was under-powered at around 12 hp/tonne. This thing had less than 7hp/tonne! How anybody could think this would result in a viable tank, boggles the mind.
0:43 Whatever Vauxhall Motors makes, it's always going to look like a Churchill. 😂😂
Hated the look a few year's ago, stunning having looked at it longer
Brilliant and most informative
Just what I needed on a Friday after a busy week!
Special Friday afternoon treat!
This tank is so big that Fletcher looks like a miniature. Haha
I though it was as big as Churchill
@@ol_fortune9474 it's larger than a Churchill. Saw both in Bovington and the Black Prince was massive
You just made me realize how big this tank is! I didnt pay proper attention to it before reading your comment! Its freaking big.
Thank you for another great video
Brilliant as ever.
cmdr: "Alright driver, we're approaching a hill, be ready with the downshift. Any moment now."
some time and forward progress passes...
driver: "Sir, where's that incline? We've only bogged a little"
cmdr: "It appears we're squishing it flat as we go. Carry on!"
At least this time there was plenty of room inside the turret.
Interesting notes about the tank driving.
I wish I could donate to the patreon every time I see these just to know I helped keep the wonderful program running.
Another great film, thank you.
NOBODY IN HISTORY deserves a Knighthood more that Sir David
tank chat on the black prince...best day of my life
Meteor engine... please do the Comet tank!
Great information thanks
Did you know that a study was undertaken to fit a 3.7” (94mm) shell into a 17pounder (they did this with the 6pounder to create the 75mm gun). They concluded it was possible and it would have been effectively a 32pounder (as in the tortoise). This had with a d/s ammo 300mm armour penetration, which was even better than the 20pounder
What a "Monster." I mean that in a good way. First rate as usual.
Thanks
Poor Black Prince- I think if they’d stuck a better engine and drive box in it- it could’ve been something- shhhh, I know it’s so outdated, I looove the Churchills x3
Edit: BTW- anyone think these boys and girls over at the Tank Museum could- with the funding, make a really good Tank game- shhhh, I know we have WoT and WT! ❤️
Tank chats Rocks!!
That tank would have been the nemesis of the Tiger with that thick armour and the 17 pounder
Was this by the same people who thought TOG2 was a good tank in 1940? The infantry would have loved the Black Prince. They could have run forward and then stopped for a tea break while waiting for the tank to catch up.
Company commander sees a group of soldiers sat at the road side..... "Hello chaps what are you up to?" "We're just having a brew up sir while we wait for armour to catch us up!" 3 days and several cups of tea later " Still waiting sir" !
Amazing film, keep going!
Looking absolutely amazing today David, good chat, keep it up comrade!
My faviroute tank! Thanks, been waiting for this for ages
I came for the Black Prince but stayed for the mustache.
Wat ik me nou wel afvraag bij de black Prince uit de koepel of een comet tank en onderkant van de Churchill tank hij is wel heel mooi
Need to end that with... & for these of you who are already supporting, I'd just like to say... TANKS alot.☻
What Sir Fletcher did'nt mention is that the Black Prince is nicknamed "The Black Princess" in the Bovington Tank Museum, because it would drive perfectly in the arena in rehersals and when there is no event going on, but once there is a crowd watching "she" would always break down as soon as it felt people were watching. "She" also broke down 2 Chieftain's trying to tow "her" out of the arena one day and they got stuck with over 150 tonnes of steel that could'nt move out of the arena.
Still a great video, and I can't believe that Vauxhaull made the Churchill tanks....
That tank is so much larger than I thought it was... damn.
Thanks.
I love this tank in War Thunder, yes it is a snail but the Armor & Gun are insane for it's tier.
Despite its faults that's a very handsome looking tank .
Can you do the German half track next ?
Slow Churchill? So it's Chillchill.
At least the regular churchill had a steady slow pace. This one would have been a crawl.
Waw ! I love these guys ty Panzer Museum von Bovington
The A43 is one of my favourite heavy tanks, beaten only by the Tiger P.
Britain: No this is an upgrade of the Churchill, call it... The Black Prince
America: Super Churchill
There was maybe a feeling that, during the war, a low-risk design was a good option, but that doesn't excuse the engine. Along comes peace, and the Centurion came out on top, also with the switch to the 20-pdr. Using the Centurion turret suggests the turret ring had the same diameter, so I suppose the Black Prince could have carried the 20-pdr, but the safe bet wasn't needed.
A pointless British WWII tank? I have to hear this in order to improve my digestion of smoked meat and beans. Mr. Fletcher has better healing abilities than an entire pharmacy.
it was a post ww2 tank.
love British tanks thank you for this churchill black prince love churchill
Aha.
Mr Fletcher’s moustache blesses us again. Great video, keep going!
Demonstrating why a mustache is called a 'soup strainer.' I cringe every time I see a mustache like that.
Black Prince is a superb name for a Tank.
I generally believe if the Black Prince was fitted with the Royals Royce Meteor and possibly a reworked five speed transmission + gearbox, it could have been a very good tank. The whole design seems promising and with the churchill style, along with suspension, you could be garenteed it would probably be able to reach these hard to reach places several tanks could not, it just seems a great shame they didn't just put a little more effort into it, but as David Fletcher says the war was over and there just wasn't a need for a tank like this when we had other tanks that could do the job just as good or even better. But it is just one of those things that you wonder if it had a bit more time taken to finish the tank properly, it may have been something to not look back on. 🤔
Might have fond a niche if it was 2 years earlier. As it was, it was obsolete while still in development.
It may of been more of a turret than tank, but strewth is that one mean looking machine! really imposing look to it.
Would have been interesting if they gave this project to one of creative engineers the UK had at the time.
My favourite tank at last :)
Funny enough, despite the underwhelming engine power, the BP tank would have been the very first serious threat to the German King Tiger tank. It had superb protection and excellent firepower.
Ozzy Tankbourne - The Prince of Blackness.
I suppose he didn't get many happy new year cards from Vauxhall Motors ;)
Probably the most difficult tank to play at teir 7 in WOT, I loved it tho, one time I was side scraping and bouncing 152mm shells from the ISU-152 pre nerf
the saddest part is that as far as churchill tanks go, this one looks the coolest
I can’t believe this was developed when the is-3 was. The is-3 and other tanks like the Pershing were light years ahead of this.
The Pershing was really no more ahead of anything the Russians had at all, both of them equally worthless at taking out an IS-3.
That's the main problem with the Black Prince, they started work on it far too late. The project should have been started in 1942, the earlier the better, rather than the end of 1943. The main reason they didn't was that during 1942 the Churchill was viewed as a failure or, at best, a short-term interim design that was only going to stay in production until a better design was available (I think this is where all the up-armoured Cromwell-derived designs came from).
We were also developing the Centurion, which was better than the Pershing or the IS-3.
The M26 Pershing had more than its share of problems, so much so it was replaced in combat in Korea by cast off Shermans revamped from stores and scrap yards until rebuilt as the M46
@@JohnyG29 The mark 3, yes.
Thanks good upload
I would love to see it
Vauxhall churning out the vectra of the tank world
With this 'Infantry-Tank' the infantry had to go at a slow pace so it could keep up with it.
Half way through I suddenly realised I've got a photograph of one of my kids standing in front of the adjacent tank some 30 years ago!
I wonder if they considered stretching the Bedford engine into a flat 18 which given the other length increases would have required a relatively modest increase in length to stretch the engine bay to accommodate it.
This fella could build and Abrams tank in his garage with a load of scrap steel and a screwdriver on a weekend afternoon! And a London bus engine of course
Note to the spirits of British tank designers of the period. "If you can put the Seventeen Pounder into a medium tank, you do not put the same gun into the heavy tank; it's silly. You put the Twenty Pounder into the heavy tank, and that is only if you can't fit the Thirty Two Pounder. If it's a small enough gun to fit in the medium tank's turret, it's too small for a heavy tank."
Those cherry reds 💜. A hussar perhaps?
ALL HAIL THE MOUSTACHE!
Black Prince is a cool name
Just realized the size of the tank with Mr. Fletcher as comparison.