I actually prefer John Grammaticas to Alpha legion..they are my least favourite founding chapter and probably my least favourite of all chapters, its a close call with Space Sharks for the 💩
If you got walls in 40k that is clearly on you; oh! that is why Chaos does weird shit to their walls, stupid me thought that would be just emo teenagers decorating their first room
By completing the time loop that helped Oll and he get the knife to Emperor, John Grammaticus is the true savior of not only the Imperium, but the Galaxy!!
He could have returned but Ingo Pech was just gone. John does give several suggestions about how Ingo might be able to escape by himself before he leaves him. Since John was attacked there by another marine and the Palace forces still above him, I doubt he would have stuck around that location for any length of time.
**John Grammaticus shows back up in 40K** Chrono: “No… how are you back?” John: “Dan Abnet kinda forgot I was no longer a perpetual.” Chrono: “No!!!” John: “Also it turns out I was the Emperor’s Dad the entire time.”
@@marcialhd i am not super up to date with all the lore but where does this idea come from that emps has a father, as far as i know consensus was that he was essentially a group of psychic shamans that merged themselfs into the emperor sometime around the start of civilisation on terra
@@carlod5818 the idea was that all the shamans' souls fused together and were reborn in a singular body of the Emperor, but the Emperor himself was born like anyone else
Assuming this might hold some importance : French here. La "Maison Dieu" is a major arcana from the Tarot Card of Marseille (French city) and is practically this Tarot's version of the "Tower"' (with the lightning striking the Tower of Babel). However, where the Tower is generally a symbol of catastrophe, "la Maison Dieu" is instead associated with change, transformation, regeneration, rebuilding, etc. In this version, the top of the Tower is opened, with a flame erupting from it, with two people falling to the ground. It's left to interpretation if the fire is a result of an internal cause (like some experiment gone wrong) or the result of a stroke of lightning (like in the usual "Tower" card and the Tower of Babel story). The card is basically a symbol of destruction, leading or opening to a beneficial reconstruction. It's inversed version however, warns of crisis and failure. Make of that what you will.
Gotta love how in retrospect John screwed up big time and kept out another fighter who could’ve helped handle Erebus. Also if he’s traveling through time too then he could easily be brought to the present time to die.
So basically, from what I understand from the new lore on Alpha Legion.... Alpharius (real Alpharius) is actually a loyalist because of the fact that he sent the command code "Zephon" to Ingo and his squad of marines to programme them to be loyal to the emperor, but that command got intercepted by a filler-NPC character pysker witch that somehow re-programmed that command code to "Orpheus" to side with chaos against their will and Ingle being somewhat aware of being compromised made a "on-the-low" move to have a landmine taped to his chest to prevent the filler-NPC character pysker witch from using him on the chessboard against the imperium....?
They need to make a book just about all the shit that is buried beneath the palace, like the Alpha Legion Space Marines or the Sons of horus Terminators.
@@marcialhd There's a group of Terminators that are stuck somewhere below the palace in a drill, because the Imperial Fists filled their tunnel with fast hardening concrete.
Wow crazy, but do you know who IS in the palace? "Cypher" who somehow has intimate knowledge of the palace, has resistance to psychic mental pressure, is a master manipulater, and was told by big E "not yet". Makes you think.
Imagine being Ingopech standing there for whoever knows how long. Hope still in your heart that you’re friend, an enemy or even some random stranger might come to save you.
Have you heard of the "Lernaean Brotherhood"? they are a faction of Alpha legion that are mentioned in the first Fabius Bile book for sending an agent to infiltrate the Consortium. I don't think they get a mention in Harrowmaster
John Grammaticus: i'M gOiNg To SaVe HuMaNiTy Aso John Grammaticus: inadverdently pretty much dooms humanity a few times in trying to save it There's a special level of frustration I have for all these Perpetual and Cabal plots 😂
Ive said this before and I'll say it again: I hope that Alpha Legion's Big Plot gets done with sooner rather than later. Because there's only so much intrigue and deceit I can stomach before it gets REALLY TIRING.
On the mine John used: assuming it's just a normal Munitorum explosive, it would become unstable and basically useless in a couple centuries. All that Legionate has to do is wait
Considering the results of the Alpharius book and the typical belief that Alpharius is loyal and Omegon was traitor (battle of pluto, everything lining up even more now with this lore drop), I think the Alpha Legion and Ingo Pech definitely will have a spotlight in the next few years or so, it's not a crazy Idea.
Do you think Orpheus Protocol and the reference of Orpheus in reference to the king in yellow may actually be Valdor working with Alpharius to fight chaos directly?
Did anyone else find it really funny when Chrono said about Pech exploding? Like the poor guy is there for timeless hours, planning and plotting and making all his plans-within-plans, then eventually time starts, there is a slight earthquake...and he simply falls over and explodes?
@adamredbeard5232 I don't think so...though it started getting all metaphysical at the end so anything is possible, but plenty of marines and all were fighting and dying in that "stopped" time field, and they seemed to stay dead
As always when discussing the Alpha Legion my head hurts. However I may be seeing the pattern as how Valdor has created so many marines in his pocket dimension. Alpha Legion stole the process for speeding up the creation of space marines from Corax during the heresy. And in another book, I cant remember the name of they have begun the process of studying primaris marines. Getting samples from dead marines. So the alpha legion is in some form helping Valdor? I love the sons of the Hydra, but man they are confusing. Good video by the way.
Here's a completely wild thought: we know about Alpharius and Omegon. But how many heads does the Alpha Legion Hydra symbol have? What if there's a *third* primarch brother, who's been switching sides back and forth the whole time?
I kinda feel like somone shuda told Dan to stop sniffing his own farts and maybe not use end and the death vol 1 -3 to set up his books. Shuda had more focus on anyone other then his dam little crew. I kinda think thats why vol2 was awhole lot of nothing really.
You know, completely forgot about the lack of Ingo in volume 3, guess its probably gonna be one of those hanging threads that doesn't get addressed until GW fancies it (so never)
at this point the only way the alpha legion could still suprise me is if it turns out that it was all a psyop that big e was orchestrating with only himself and his psychic illusions to this day
I really want there to be a confirmed, new loyalist sect of AL. Though I'd assume in the modern age they'd have to be rebranded and carefully monitored. Being and AL fan is a long...patient experience man...
Y’all wanna know what’s coming? The Tyranids will make for Terra and Eisenhorn will find Valdor with bequin, cerubieal (it’s Samus), and a number of others who will needs to get into the throne room via the imperial webway given the Terran system is swarmed. They will somehow find Fabius cawl or pho and have him make an anti nix bio weapon and save the day.
Knowing the usual tactic of the Alpha Legion? If he is Deathrow, then likey he completed his assignment after being freed by whomever, sent orders for legionnaires to infiltrate Chaos under the guise of 'being allies' and then went on with Eisenhorn to some goal he's pursuing. It would make sense then for big battles like Vraks (or others where the Alpha Legion shows up) to have some severe 'mishaps' and 'misfortunes' fall on the Chaos side and stop the steamroll.
I don’t know much about the Eisenhorn stories, but I’m really hoping Ingo isn’t gone. I’d rather not have my Harrowmaster canonically die in the Imperial basement.
Didn't Pech also state that once triggered there was no way to permanently revoke the psychic order? And that only the psi dampener holding actae back temporarily allowed him to bypass the order. Or did I imagine that bit?
If Ingo and Deathrow are the same guy and Dan Abnett is trying to tell me that 10000 years old space marine is kicking ass like noone's buisness, I'm gonna rage quit...
Nothing to do with ur video (good video btw), but my buddy plays Alpha Legion and has the forgeworld alpharius model, and plays it in his army as a abaddon proxy. It's such a cool model
Appreciate it Big fan of the alpha legion Love what they stand for love what they do thank you for providing any Lord all considering almost no one else does
Ingo Pech being Deathrow is something I've never considered before. However, I still believe (at least for now) that Ingo died while assuming the mental of Alpharius on Eskrador.
I'm sorry to say, but I think you're totally wrong, and Dan just f*ed up his story, as he does from time to time :D I bet, if he saw this video, he would slap himself in the face, moaning: "Oh, crap, it totally slipped my mind!" Hate to break it to you, but Dan Abnett is a hack :P Nice theory though, I'm on board, too bad we'll never going to see it play out :) UP: I just listened to this video again, and I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed. Even if Pech somehow survived the bomb - big X about that -, he would still be under the orpheus command...
Unrelated to most everything, but I've always been curious, what's the origin for Chrono (your OC/avatar's) colour scheme? As far as I can tell it isn't a masque mentioned otherwise, and I noticed while playing the rogue trader CRPG that the solitaire there has yellow/blue diamonds as well, with black as the main other colour, and it's just fully caught my attention that it's shared with Chrono, thus I'm deathly curious, if it was just colours you liked or some obscure Masque I'm not aware of. (I've been digging for this information for like hours)
Well the EC Chaos marine recognizes Deathrow when he break or tears off Deathrow’s mask (been to long, can’t remember which). When he sees Deathrow’s face he says something like “You? How?” Now true, the AL legionnaires were made to look like Alpharius but this EC chaos marine is one of the OGs back to the heresy. He would know the AL legionnaires were made to look like Alpharius, to one degree or another. But this particular one he *knows*. That tells me Deathrow is not just any old AL legionnaire. Was Ingo Pech that noticeable and well known to the other legions? Or is Deathrow finally making an honest statement of “I am Alpharius.”
I am so confused. I've read Eisenhorn books, and, something like, the first 10 heresy books, including Legion, but I'm so confused. Truth be told, it was 10 years ago.
1300 words of notes isn't a lot. I think you mean thirteen _thousand_ words of notes. If I get 1,300 words of work done by the end of the day, that was a slow freaking day. 13,000 on the other hand is on it's way to being a novella. (The average novel being about 90,000 words.)
I’m afraid those alpha legionaries are going to be a dropped plot point. Maybe hinted at in a future book by Dan. If Deathrow is this legionnaire, how has he survived 10k years? More pressing, how has Lillian Chase survived this long?
I just hope Ingo Pech does activate the Marines as loyalist like ordered. It would create an opposition for Harrowmaster and his bullshit. And please for Emperor's sake, bring the remaining Primarch back in some extent, just waiting for the Heresy era loyalist to awake under the palace to mark his return to the setting or something.
Couldn't Valdor nick Pech with the spear, and therefore know if he is loyal or not? Magic everything revealing spear that it is? And if Valdor knows, then he would have gotten that codeword too. Valdor might have used the Alpha Legion to set up his whole King in Yellow schtick to begin with?
Abnett hates custodes and Valdor, never has written them well. Most of the lore that makes custodes look good is from Wraight. So I think Bequin 3 will suck and Gramaticus is the king in yellow.
You completely lost me on the 7th minute. A king in yellow? Am I still watching warhammer video? Left me totally confused which makes it a 10/10 alpha legion lore video.
In the Harrowmaster book, it basically confirms that to their knowledge, all the marines from that period are dead. The only living marines who fought in the Horus heresy on the loyalist side in the current setting are entombed in dreadnoughts. Astartes don’t have 10,000 year life times so unless Pech put himself in stasis which is timed to wake him up 10k years later after he inevitably disabled the bomb or he went into the warp are the only ways he is alive in the current setting. Those AL in stasis under the imperial palace are probably still there but the only one who knows the code word to wake them would be Omegon. The current setting alpha legion are as lost in objective as the Night Lords are. The difference is they are all from the current setting while the night lords alive in the current setting fought in the HH. I think the Alpha legion civil war is going to happen but in the past, not current setting. The Scouring series will show the destruction of the legion as a cohesive force and the break up into war bands. You’ll also probably get the fate of those under the imperial palace in stasis and pech’s fate more clearly laid out.
Valor has the apollyian spear. He can stick Pech with it and know Pech's truths. He can know so he also has the code words to activate them. Even if Valdor kills him valor has a significant part of ab astartes legion he can control. The question is is he pro or anti chaos since he also stuck Abbadon with the spear. He could wake up the alpha legionnaires turn them all or some chaos. He could be the great equaliser that's perpetuating the conflict for the last 10 millennium. Chaos wants chaos to win, the imperium to win in both scenarios the emperor dies either through being murdered or ascending to god hood. That's not Valdors purpose.
This all sounds like the worst kind of convoluted comic book nonsense and mystery box bullshit. I am sad I have seen the day when that kind of storytelling infiltrated Warhammer.
Those primaris marines sure are tall... I wonder which legion also had tall marines and had access to the pure raptor project giving them the ability to produce uncorrupted marines with more of the Primarchs gene seed? Oh.... uh oh.
Every alpha legioneer is alpharius. You cant kill him because all of his legionaires are clones of his. His soul is spread between them too, shich is why they arent as powerful. This is true lore with evidence and def not a psyop. Hydra Dominatus.
If it is the the case that Ingo goes on to become Deathrow sometime in the mid 41st millennium, that would make him *insanely old.* Provided he didn't spend any time in the Eye of Terror, he'd be one of the oldest space marines to canonically exist.
Maybe the high lords found them and conditioned them into what are now the Minotaurs. I think they are said to be bigger and stronger than average marines.
However the minotaurs show no hints of alpha legion behaviour. They are brutal fighters who prefer close combat. The minotaurs are more likely tweaked world eaters
John grammaticus is what happens when you need a tom clancy character and level of intrigue in a story that needed its own style...if john had less a jovial interaction with litteral space god warriors and more of a stoic cynicism with a human wit he would have been more bearable....Dan is good but unfortunately lost the character with john
1,300 words an undergraduate thesis? My wife writes that in a standard essay. Either american universities are a lot easier than over here, or somebody has their numbers mixed up
well if i was writer and lets say how i would bring both alpharius and omegon back well maybe omegon or maybe alpahrius goes under that palace and sues that gode to lets say make them loyal to emperor as this alpha legion civil was is heating one trly traitor omegon maybe alpharius leads the "trator" side of alpha legion alphariuss but maybe omegon leads the "loyalist" side of alpha legion but something happens like tyranisds that forces them to truly re unite and maybe safe lion or guilliman or rhey go this multi book crusade aigaisnt tyranids and gene stealers and end of that books series we get back some loyalist primarch or maybe their newe main enemy lets say perturabo
14:25 The concern you raise at the end is actually not that crazy....you have this secret hidden reserve of troops youbdont just release them until the right moment when they can be most effective makes both strategic and narrative sense
I can’t believe The King in Yellow turned out to be 50 Alpha Legionaries in a John Gramatticus suit.
I believe this now
I actually prefer John Grammaticas to Alpha legion..they are my least favourite founding chapter and probably my least favourite of all chapters, its a close call with Space Sharks for the 💩
@@Raven-qj8xkControversial but brave opinion
Sounds about right.
@@Raven-qj8xkdoes your opinion on alpha legion in any way connected with your nickname?
So, Night Lords isn't the only thing inside your walls.
Night Lords hanging from the ceiling, and Alpha legion in the walls.
THEY'RE IN THE GODDAMN WALLS
They are not even the worst thing in your walls
If you got walls in 40k that is clearly on you; oh! that is why Chaos does weird shit to their walls, stupid me thought that would be just emo teenagers decorating their first room
@@phantomwraith1984
I AM A WALL!
Alpharius made fun of my Omegon & it hurt my feelings.
But are you SURE?
@@livefromtheblacklibrary I don't know anymore 😭
@@doubledeputyd4242 plan-plan is working yes-yes
@livefromtheblacklibrary or was it Omegon making fun of Alpharius! The world will never know!
Or maybe it's the skaven laughing at both
I just love the idea that John Grammaticus was like "No worries dude, i'll come back later" to Ingo Pech and then just fucked off forever.
For all we know, he reappeared 30seconds later after he left, due to wrap time and space BS.
By completing the time loop that helped Oll and he get the knife to Emperor, John Grammaticus is the true savior of not only the Imperium, but the Galaxy!!
man i just hope someone gets my boy Ingo out of there
He could have returned but Ingo Pech was just gone. John does give several suggestions about how Ingo might be able to escape by himself before he leaves him. Since John was attacked there by another marine and the Palace forces still above him, I doubt he would have stuck around that location for any length of time.
Alpharius: James Bond would never....
Cypher: *Sitting in a waiting room looking at a magazine then looks over a Jago decomposing in the corner*
AWW NO SEVATAR!!
Oh boy I can't wait to be confused
That's my job king :3
What confusion?
@@ajackass5950 The NeverEnding headache that is trying to understand the alpha legion
**John Grammaticus shows back up in 40K**
Chrono: “No… how are you back?”
John: “Dan Abnet kinda forgot I was no longer a perpetual.”
Chrono: “No!!!”
John: “Also it turns out I was the Emperor’s Dad the entire time.”
Chrono: NO!
John: AND ABOVE ALL, I AM MORE PSYCHICALLY GIFTED THAN THE EMPEROR AND MALCADOR COMBINED!
Chrono: STOP ITTTTTT!
You know the worst part is that i actually can see them going with John being the Emperor’s dad…
@@marcialhd i am not super up to date with all the lore but where does this idea come from that emps has a father, as far as i know consensus was that he was essentially a group of psychic shamans that merged themselfs into the emperor sometime around the start of civilisation on terra
@@carlod5818 the idea was that all the shamans' souls fused together and were reborn in a singular body of the Emperor, but the Emperor himself was born like anyone else
@@szarak6065 Yeah I think I recall hearing that the Emperor had a father or at least an uncle.
The fact Alpha Legion achieved confusion in a metanarrative level both surprises and scares me.
*This is literature.*
Assuming this might hold some importance :
French here. La "Maison Dieu" is a major arcana from the Tarot Card of Marseille (French city) and is practically this Tarot's version of the "Tower"' (with the lightning striking the Tower of Babel).
However, where the Tower is generally a symbol of catastrophe, "la Maison Dieu" is instead associated with change, transformation, regeneration, rebuilding, etc. In this version, the top of the Tower is opened, with a flame erupting from it, with two people falling to the ground. It's left to interpretation if the fire is a result of an internal cause (like some experiment gone wrong) or the result of a stroke of lightning (like in the usual "Tower" card and the Tower of Babel story).
The card is basically a symbol of destruction, leading or opening to a beneficial reconstruction. It's inversed version however, warns of crisis and failure.
Make of that what you will.
Nice one, thank you
Sounds suspiciously like the belltower on the origin story of the Skaven race.
Gotta love how in retrospect John screwed up big time and kept out another fighter who could’ve helped handle Erebus. Also if he’s traveling through time too then he could easily be brought to the present time to die.
Everyone is alpharius hell even the emperor might just be secretly alpharius at this point 😂
I never actually considered that, but holy shit would that be funny af.
i have to agree that would be so funny one of the last books and thats were he been
warhammer?...My dear horus, I was actaully Alpharius all along!
"I am the Master of... Alpharius"
Everyone Except Alpharious. He’s secretly Corvax.
I like the idea of ingo pech reclaiming the aplha legion. Theres that bit in harrowmaster about how an OG coming back would have claim to the legion.
So basically, from what I understand from the new lore on Alpha Legion.... Alpharius (real Alpharius) is actually a loyalist because of the fact that he sent the command code "Zephon" to Ingo and his squad of marines to programme them to be loyal to the emperor, but that command got intercepted by a filler-NPC character pysker witch that somehow re-programmed that command code to "Orpheus" to side with chaos against their will and Ingle being somewhat aware of being compromised made a "on-the-low" move to have a landmine taped to his chest to prevent the filler-NPC character pysker witch from using him on the chessboard against the imperium....?
shut up, get out of my head, GET OUT MY HEAAAAD, im confused
Correct
"filler-NPC character pysker witch" she's all but been confirmed to be Abaddon's seer Moriana at this point
@@kateadams5574 Moriana is a separate character with her own backstory though
@@totalNERD-eo7wx Cyrene/Actae is going by Katerina Moriana by the end of part 3
They need to make a book just about all the shit that is buried beneath the palace, like the Alpha Legion Space Marines or the Sons of horus Terminators.
What Sons of Horus terminators?
@@marcialhd There's a group of Terminators that are stuck somewhere below the palace in a drill, because the Imperial Fists filled their tunnel with fast hardening concrete.
Valdore with an army of Alpha Legion Marines would be incredible.
"If it wasn't on screen, they're not dead"
Ahhhh
Shrodinger's Alpharius
Dorn: STOP PLAYING WITH ME!! IT HAD TO BE HIM (Starts throwing everything around him)
Im an Imperial Fists guy, but man the Alpha Legion are entertaining at the very least.
I feel a similar way. I like Salamanders the most, but Alpha legion have some sick armor designs.
Wow crazy, but do you know who IS in the palace? "Cypher" who somehow has intimate knowledge of the palace, has resistance to psychic mental pressure, is a master manipulater, and was told by big E "not yet". Makes you think.
I think cypher is either Omegon/Alphie or Ingo
Those make the most sense
Should be Omegon, given his beyond standard capabilities.
Alpharius is dead; we have lore confirmation about it.
@@rafiurrahman7016Omegon is dead. Alpharius is alive. See Alpharius: Head of the Hydra
I dont think GW wants to piss all the dark angels fans by giving a good chunk of their lore to the alpha legion.
@@ErwinHistory I read that book and I still don't understand why people think Omegon died, not Alpharius. Care to explain it to me like I'm 5?
John makes note that Pech could eventually get out of the problem. Mentioned specifically him using micro movements to eventually disarm the bomb.
Took me a while or scrolling to find someone that remembered this
@@kikkpod5887 ignoring the fact that he said it in the video
@@OzoneDepleter yeah I commented before I finished the video
"I now have 1300 notes which is about as long as the undergraduate thesis" dudes gonna get his Masters in Warhammer. Keep up the great work dude!
Imagine being Ingopech standing there for whoever knows how long.
Hope still in your heart that you’re friend, an enemy or even some random stranger might come to save you.
I recall that John kinds of expects him to eventually break out of it. So you have a Alpha Legionnaire in the middle of the Imperial Palace.
At 9:19 I heard that soft pop in the background when you said "A buck shot to the face"
Best 40ktuber he actually deserves to get a degree in studying this silly setting
My lord I hope we have a bunch of loyalist alpha legion lead by ingo waiting to be reintroduced to 40k at some point soon
Have you heard of the "Lernaean Brotherhood"? they are a faction of Alpha legion that are mentioned in the first Fabius Bile book for sending an agent to infiltrate the Consortium. I don't think they get a mention in Harrowmaster
John Grammaticus: i'M gOiNg To SaVe HuMaNiTy
Aso John Grammaticus: inadverdently pretty much dooms humanity a few times in trying to save it
There's a special level of frustration I have for all these Perpetual and Cabal plots 😂
Ive said this before and I'll say it again: I hope that Alpha Legion's Big Plot gets done with sooner rather than later. Because there's only so much intrigue and deceit I can stomach before it gets REALLY TIRING.
On the mine John used: assuming it's just a normal Munitorum explosive, it would become unstable and basically useless in a couple centuries. All that Legionate has to do is wait
Hydra Dominatus!
Were vindicated as loyalists. Finally
Hydrabros... we are so back
That's not vindicated, that's shameful. You should hope it's actually just a ploy and AL was traitor all along.
@terraneaux why be traitor when the emp is best
@@aviumstrepitus5158 emps is shit
@@aviumstrepitus5158 Only when compared to the 4 space satans
I am Alpharius
Schrodinger's Primarch: you both are and are not Alpharius
this is a lie!
@@ChauncyFatsack
And this is also lie.
Considering the results of the Alpharius book and the typical belief that Alpharius is loyal and Omegon was traitor (battle of pluto, everything lining up even more now with this lore drop), I think the Alpha Legion and Ingo Pech definitely will have a spotlight in the next few years or so, it's not a crazy Idea.
Do you think Orpheus Protocol and the reference of Orpheus in reference to the king in yellow may actually be Valdor working with Alpharius to fight chaos directly?
I want to agree, Orpheus is a name the King has used while acting as a saint.
$50 says the King in Yellow is Omegon playing the part of Valdor. or at least using his name.
As I heard elsewhere, Abnett just doesn't "do" that sort of bait and switch.
@@HydraulicDesign but it would be what an Alpha Legionnaire might "do"
The king in yellow is actually John Grammaticus 💛
Did anyone else find it really funny when Chrono said about Pech exploding? Like the poor guy is there for timeless hours, planning and plotting and making all his plans-within-plans, then eventually time starts, there is a slight earthquake...and he simply falls over and explodes?
Oh! Does the chaos time stopping mean that the explosive wouldn't trigger? Ingo could have just calmly removed it.
@adamredbeard5232 I don't think so...though it started getting all metaphysical at the end so anything is possible, but plenty of marines and all were fighting and dying in that "stopped" time field, and they seemed to stay dead
@@kingofsicily thats definitely true.
I wonder do any Alpha Legionnaires wake up in the morning and just go "Damn, this is exhausting. Wish I was just sneaking about in the Raven Guard.'
As always when discussing the Alpha Legion my head hurts. However I may be seeing the pattern as how Valdor has created so many marines in his pocket dimension. Alpha Legion stole the process for speeding up the creation of space marines from Corax during the heresy. And in another book, I cant remember the name of they have begun the process of studying primaris marines. Getting samples from dead marines. So the alpha legion is in some form helping Valdor? I love the sons of the Hydra, but man they are confusing. Good video by the way.
Alpha legion continue to confuse literally everyone, including themselves.
"somehow, Palpatine survived"
"somehow, Valdor landed on this random planet and took a walk within sight of this guy"
Here's a completely wild thought: we know about Alpharius and Omegon. But how many heads does the Alpha Legion Hydra symbol have? What if there's a *third* primarch brother, who's been switching sides back and forth the whole time?
He is Triarius?
Plottwist: A Primarch was killed on Eskrandor, but it was Guillaume; there are no Ultramarines in the 41st millenium
The blueberries would go full nuclear.
I kinda feel like somone shuda told Dan to stop sniffing his own farts and maybe not use end and the death vol 1 -3 to set up his books. Shuda had more focus on anyone other then his dam little crew. I kinda think thats why vol2 was awhole lot of nothing really.
I like the theory that Pech was one of three triplets. Hence the 3 heads of the hydra and Pech being bigger than his brothers.
Imo, the symbolism of the three-headed Hydra refers more to the Legion as the third head
@@emzetkin1100 yes. Your statement is completely true. Just a false theory. Hydra Dominius.
Could mean II and XI are Pech and Ommy?
You know, completely forgot about the lack of Ingo in volume 3, guess its probably gonna be one of those hanging threads that doesn't get addressed until GW fancies it (so never)
at this point the only way the alpha legion could still suprise me is if it turns out that it was all a psyop that big e was orchestrating with only himself and his psychic illusions to this day
perhapes the alpha legionaries are in cold storage for Omegon/Alpharius to rock up there shout the word and create the 21 legion his Omega legion
Will GW actually do something with this new Lore?
Uuuuhhhhhhhh.... maybe
@@livefromtheblacklibrarywhen will you give a full review of TTS and Bruva Alfabusa?
@@livefromtheblacklibrarythe only correct alpha legion response
I really want there to be a confirmed, new loyalist sect of AL. Though I'd assume in the modern age they'd have to be rebranded and carefully monitored.
Being and AL fan is a long...patient experience man...
NileRed's secret Warhammer lore channel back at it again.
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COMMENT INFILTRATION
Would be funny if Pech escapes by waiting for the proximity mine to run out of battery.
Y’all wanna know what’s coming? The Tyranids will make for Terra and Eisenhorn will find Valdor with bequin, cerubieal (it’s Samus), and a number of others who will needs to get into the throne room via the imperial webway given the Terran system is swarmed. They will somehow find Fabius cawl or pho and have him make an anti nix bio weapon and save the day.
Knowing the usual tactic of the Alpha Legion? If he is Deathrow, then likey he completed his assignment after being freed by whomever, sent orders for legionnaires to infiltrate Chaos under the guise of 'being allies' and then went on with Eisenhorn to some goal he's pursuing.
It would make sense then for big battles like Vraks (or others where the Alpha Legion shows up) to have some severe 'mishaps' and 'misfortunes' fall on the Chaos side and stop the steamroll.
Did it ever get said for sure if Samus was the thing following the traveling buddies throughout time and space? Or was that left on the table?
I don’t know much about the Eisenhorn stories, but I’m really hoping Ingo isn’t gone. I’d rather not have my Harrowmaster canonically die in the Imperial basement.
Didn't Pech also state that once triggered there was no way to permanently revoke the psychic order? And that only the psi dampener holding actae back temporarily allowed him to bypass the order. Or did I imagine that bit?
He did, but perhaps there is no way known to him... lots of things change with time, people find problems to solutions, etc
Hydra Dominatus
i had just finished the original eisenhorn trilogy. i didnt realise ravenor had his own trilogy so thats next on my list before i hit the bequin books
If Ingo and Deathrow are the same guy and Dan Abnett is trying to tell me that 10000 years old space marine is kicking ass like noone's buisness, I'm gonna rage quit...
Nothing to do with ur video (good video btw), but my buddy plays Alpha Legion and has the forgeworld alpharius model, and plays it in his army as a abaddon proxy. It's such a cool model
Appreciate it Big fan of the alpha legion Love what they stand for love what they do thank you for providing any Lord all considering almost no one else does
Ingo Pech being Deathrow is something I've never considered before. However, I still believe (at least for now) that Ingo died while assuming the mental of Alpharius on Eskrador.
Only 15 minutes, & wondering how many more questions I'll have about them then answered by the time this is done.
I'm sorry to say, but I think you're totally wrong, and Dan just f*ed up his story, as he does from time to time :D I bet, if he saw this video, he would slap himself in the face, moaning: "Oh, crap, it totally slipped my mind!" Hate to break it to you, but Dan Abnett is a hack :P
Nice theory though, I'm on board, too bad we'll never going to see it play out :)
UP: I just listened to this video again, and I'm sorry, but your logic is flawed. Even if Pech somehow survived the bomb - big X about that -, he would still be under the orpheus command...
Unrelated to most everything, but I've always been curious, what's the origin for Chrono (your OC/avatar's) colour scheme? As far as I can tell it isn't a masque mentioned otherwise, and I noticed while playing the rogue trader CRPG that the solitaire there has yellow/blue diamonds as well, with black as the main other colour, and it's just fully caught my attention that it's shared with Chrono, thus I'm deathly curious, if it was just colours you liked or some obscure Masque I'm not aware of.
(I've been digging for this information for like hours)
Well the EC Chaos marine recognizes Deathrow when he break or tears off Deathrow’s mask (been to long, can’t remember which). When he sees Deathrow’s face he says something like “You? How?”
Now true, the AL legionnaires were made to look like Alpharius but this EC chaos marine is one of the OGs back to the heresy. He would know the AL legionnaires were made to look like Alpharius, to one degree or another. But this particular one he *knows*. That tells me Deathrow is not just any old AL legionnaire. Was Ingo Pech that noticeable and well known to the other legions? Or is Deathrow finally making an honest statement of “I am Alpharius.”
what do you think of the theory that A/O is actually one person with compartmentalized personalities?
I am so confused. I've read Eisenhorn books, and, something like, the first 10 heresy books, including Legion, but I'm so confused. Truth be told, it was 10 years ago.
What if omegon is the next primarch
1300 words of notes isn't a lot. I think you mean thirteen _thousand_ words of notes. If I get 1,300 words of work done by the end of the day, that was a slow freaking day.
13,000 on the other hand is on it's way to being a novella. (The average novel being about 90,000 words.)
I’m afraid those alpha legionaries are going to be a dropped plot point. Maybe hinted at in a future book by Dan.
If Deathrow is this legionnaire, how has he survived 10k years?
More pressing, how has Lillian Chase survived this long?
I just hope Ingo Pech does activate the Marines as loyalist like ordered. It would create an opposition for Harrowmaster and his bullshit.
And please for Emperor's sake, bring the remaining Primarch back in some extent, just waiting for the Heresy era loyalist to awake under the palace to mark his return to the setting or something.
Couldn't Valdor nick Pech with the spear, and therefore know if he is loyal or not? Magic everything revealing spear that it is? And if Valdor knows, then he would have gotten that codeword too. Valdor might have used the Alpha Legion to set up his whole King in Yellow schtick to begin with?
Abnett hates custodes and Valdor, never has written them well. Most of the lore that makes custodes look good is from Wraight. So I think Bequin 3 will suck and Gramaticus is the king in yellow.
You completely lost me on the 7th minute. A king in yellow? Am I still watching warhammer video? Left me totally confused which makes it a 10/10 alpha legion lore video.
Oh yesss! I can't wait to hear you cover my favorite 40k character John Grammaticus.
In the Harrowmaster book, it basically confirms that to their knowledge, all the marines from that period are dead. The only living marines who fought in the Horus heresy on the loyalist side in the current setting are entombed in dreadnoughts. Astartes don’t have 10,000 year life times so unless Pech put himself in stasis which is timed to wake him up 10k years later after he inevitably disabled the bomb or he went into the warp are the only ways he is alive in the current setting. Those AL in stasis under the imperial palace are probably still there but the only one who knows the code word to wake them would be Omegon. The current setting alpha legion are as lost in objective as the Night Lords are. The difference is they are all from the current setting while the night lords alive in the current setting fought in the HH. I think the Alpha legion civil war is going to happen but in the past, not current setting. The Scouring series will show the destruction of the legion as a cohesive force and the break up into war bands. You’ll also probably get the fate of those under the imperial palace in stasis and pech’s fate more clearly laid out.
Normal, if you don't see Alpha Legionnaire dead, he's 100% not dead, even if you see him dying, you're not 100% sure he's dead.
Valor has the apollyian spear. He can stick Pech with it and know Pech's truths. He can know so he also has the code words to activate them. Even if Valdor kills him valor has a significant part of ab astartes legion he can control. The question is is he pro or anti chaos since he also stuck Abbadon with the spear. He could wake up the alpha legionnaires turn them all or some chaos. He could be the great equaliser that's perpetuating the conflict for the last 10 millennium. Chaos wants chaos to win, the imperium to win in both scenarios the emperor dies either through being murdered or ascending to god hood. That's not Valdors purpose.
lol I think you meant 13,000 not 1300 words of notes
My final project for university was definitely not 1300 words
This all sounds like the worst kind of convoluted comic book nonsense and mystery box bullshit. I am sad I have seen the day when that kind of storytelling infiltrated Warhammer.
I am Alpharius.
Those primaris marines sure are tall... I wonder which legion also had tall marines and had access to the pure raptor project giving them the ability to produce uncorrupted marines with more of the Primarchs gene seed? Oh.... uh oh.
Every alpha legioneer is alpharius. You cant kill him because all of his legionaires are clones of his. His soul is spread between them too, shich is why they arent as powerful. This is true lore with evidence and def not a psyop. Hydra Dominatus.
You misspoke when you claimed that no one else could know an Alpha’s motives. The part you missed: Alpha Legionaries do t know either :)
Am I alone in thinking that Dorn didn't kill Alpharius? He killed someone with a part of Alpharius but wasn't Alpharius.
You think 1300 words is an undergraduate thesis? Hahahaha, okay bud. Tell me you never went to uni without telling me you never went to uni.
If it is the the case that Ingo goes on to become Deathrow sometime in the mid 41st millennium, that would make him *insanely old.* Provided he didn't spend any time in the Eye of Terror, he'd be one of the oldest space marines to canonically exist.
Maybe the high lords found them and conditioned them into what are now the Minotaurs. I think they are said to be bigger and stronger than average marines.
However the minotaurs show no hints of alpha legion behaviour.
They are brutal fighters who prefer close combat.
The minotaurs are more likely tweaked world eaters
Honestly I just hope we, one day, get to see Kassar, Akurra and Pech meet up. That's the book I want.
John grammaticus is what happens when you need a tom clancy character and level of intrigue in a story that needed its own style...if john had less a jovial interaction with litteral space god warriors and more of a stoic cynicism with a human wit he would have been more bearable....Dan is good but unfortunately lost the character with john
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1,300 words an undergraduate thesis? My wife writes that in a standard essay.
Either american universities are a lot easier than over here, or somebody has their numbers mixed up
Olls’ death was horrendously Lame , absolutely crappy way to kill off such an important character
well if i was writer and lets say how i would bring both alpharius and omegon back well maybe omegon or maybe alpahrius goes under that palace and sues that gode to lets say make them loyal to emperor as this alpha legion civil was is heating one trly traitor omegon maybe alpharius leads the "trator" side of alpha legion alphariuss but maybe omegon leads the "loyalist" side of alpha legion but something happens like tyranisds that forces them to truly re unite and maybe safe lion or guilliman or rhey go this multi book crusade aigaisnt tyranids and gene stealers and end of that books series we get back some loyalist primarch or maybe their newe main enemy lets say perturabo
14:25 The concern you raise at the end is actually not that crazy....you have this secret hidden reserve of troops youbdont just release them until the right moment when they can be most effective makes both strategic and narrative sense
Here within the first minute
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The only creditable Alpha Legion source. Yesss
We don’t know they were loyal at the end of the heresy.
Personally I think Alpharious was trying to defect in praetorian of dorn.
Alpharius: I agree with this video.
Also Alpharius: This is a lie.