His 'content' has gotten stale ever since he just became a full time dungeon and raid dude. When him and Ghosty were playing together they made videos that had heart and enthusiasm in them. I get that his favorite thing to do is raid and gear up his one main, but when you go back to his days in Legion, the daily preach videos were far and away better than what he's put out latey. He actually played different classes, he tanked and healed, he made guides for those roles, he gave status updates every patch and for every raid. Somewhere in BFA he lost that spark, and it's sad. But I am glad to see this type of content from him again. He's still on my mount rushmore of WoW content creators, but he's definitely not doing anything to separate himself from the pack anymore. I mean, making a video about why you can't get into a group based o your raider.io score? That's the content he has now, compared to the legacy videos he previously made with the catalog of info and highlight footage that he's amassed over the years? It's sad.
@@blacksunshine9995 Preach has always been about that though. While the primary content at the start was about making class guides, there have always been videos discussing things about the game as a whole, albeit specifically things surrounding the PvE raid environment and the balance and state of class gameplay. And regarding playing other classes: back in Legion it was actually fun to level alts in spite and actually because of artifacts. Of course, also because of the mage tower. It hasn't been that way in BfA and not really in SL either. Can't blame him for that, especially after his guild died down (which usually gives anyone involved a bump in motivation to play), the raid hasn't been that good either on mythic and he's been livestreaming non-WoW stuff from 8:30 to currently ~15:00 daily outside of weekends, give or take, that have been simply more interesting and enjoyable to do.
@@roberthansson8222 I fell in love with BRD. I loved the story, the design. When I first started playing the game it was the first place my guild mates and I would farm and explore. Classic couldn't quite recreate that experience since everyone knew all the secrets and shortcuts, but those first times clearing BRD and experiencing the story, especially as a dwarf, will always stand out in my mind as one of my favorite experiences in WoW.
Hyjal has literally nothing going for it. The story behind it does not make any sense at all, BC raids are usually just an excuse to throw popular characters as bosses for the sake of it, but Hyjal is not even an excuse, go back in time for the LOLz. The mechanics are horrendous and unimaginative, the "mob waves" fight style was honestly better executed in Ahn'Qiraj, the bosses might as well be leveling dungeon bosses, their mechanics are stupid. It's visuals are cool, but they are insulting, because instead of making Hyjal a zone with the files they had since vanilla, they opted for turning them into a lazy raid to fill in a tier.
Some of my favorite videos in the past (aside from the legacy videos) were the top 10s - whether serious or memey. It's just a easily digestible format as a viewer. I don't think there's genuinely anything wrong with it.
First Preach video I've clicked on in months that isn't Drama Time. To be fair, I'm not actively playing WoW atm, so that influences this. Thanks Mike!
Raiding to me has always been like the art and the music: Even when it's at its worst, it still never goes below "medium", and when it's at its best, it's some of the best in the industry.
Completely agree. I love raiding for the art, the music, my friends and fighting together with my guild to accomplish something, even if we don't get that far into mythic. I fucking love raiding and I have never hated a raid so much that I wanted to (temporarily) quit. I honestly don't remember hating a raid ever. To quote a lad, I love it when a plan comes together.
Yeah! As basic as Molten Core is, for instance, I have fond memories of trying to hug the wall, while avoiding patrols for Garr, only to end up in frantic "last man standing" massacres. Or doing "double duty" for adds during Razorgore & Nefarian, or forgetting which buff did what and somehow barely survive Chrommagus. Good times!
Well you're optimistic because in the 3 cases I can say there's both the best things you will ever experience in your whole life, and absolute garbage lol
Great video Mike! The memories came flooding back and surprisingly, they're overwhelmingly happy memories: All those guilds and raiders I raided with...great times. Good stuff!
Ruby Sanctum wasn't added in due to a content drought. It came out 2 months after the Frostwing Halls & Frozen Throne sections of ICC was opened after all (as ICC was timegated). It was to set up Cata.
I love he starts with "I love raiding and none of the ones at the bottom I hate" and then gets to those ones "It's shit, I looked for any chance not to do this"
I thought the concept of Mount hyjal was neat, it was not so much a raid and it felt more like you were actually in a battle. Also for molten core, wasn't that raid made by like one guy in like a couple of days last minute?
There was almost exactly a full year from ICC release to Cata release - not one and a half years. What's worse than that though is that Siege of Orgrimmar was out for 13 months before WoD hit, then Hellfirce Citadel was out 14 months before Legion hit.
Cataclysm should've been delayed for 2-3 months minimum. The horrible state it was in on launch is what killed at least 1 raid (Abyssal Depths). Blizz tried to hide it behind several reasons, but imo that was the main reason why that raid was scrapped.
I don't quite understand why Terrace of Endless Spring was below both Nyalotha and Eternal Palace when Mike seems to have only really positive things to say about ToES but quite mixed feelings regarding the two others. Is it simply because it's small? I personally think it sounds like it should've been after at least EP, maybe competing more with Uldir.
Uldir and Emerald Nightmare are such sleeper raids, everyone just immediately writes them off as being ez boring first tiers of the expansions but they were both pretty damn good.
You guys liked EN? I thought cenarius and that bird lady were and kinda cool fights, everything else was just boring af. Uldir was pretty decent. I’d easily put both highmaul uldir and CN over EN. He just likes it because fire was broken in that raid and he mained it
Illgynoth xavius dragons all horrifically bad fights ursoc was just a sleep tank and spank same with first boss En compared to all other legion raids was crap in comparison. Also the trash was disgusting.
@@TranscendentPhoenix Yeah agree. Uldir CN and High Maul were very good but EN genuinely very boring. First boss was kinda fun the first few times you progged but quickly just fell over once you'd geared. Bird lady and Cenarius fun, the rest super dull.
i wouldnt hold my breath, if the BC launch doesnt meet or exceed the vanilla launch there is no way they will proceed.. and i think lots of people had their fill of nostalgia already
This is great content. I enjoy this. Can't wait for part 2. I was thinking to myself what are my top 3? You haven't mentioned any of them yet. So I'm excited to see where they each land on your list.
Another reason Emerald Nightmare is so disliked is because Legendaries had such a huge impact on performance. It felt awful being so far behind other DPS of the same spec just because you didn't high roll your first or second lego. Plus, as was the norm with Legion, tank balance was awful so there's that too.
Really cool to have Mike's concrete thoughts on the different raids. It's fun to see others' points of view and how much of raiding depends on circumstances; who you play with, what you did at the time and how the "launch process" was. Not completely done with the video, but I'm gonna throw in my pick for first. I think Siege of Orgrimmar was the best for me. I was in a 10-man raid with real life friends of very varying skill - mostly terrible at raiding, which made it so much more fun because we were all oblivious of how bad we were. It was awesome having a long raid of pretty good and different bosses that we could clear in our two raid days.
The consistent quality of raids is what keeps me coming back WoW honestly. A lot of other games do a lot of things better, but they really do have some fantastic group challenges.
@@Loomx5 raiding has always been the premiere activity in WoW imo. PvP and dungeons were fun but they constantly had to fundamentally morph how they worked throughout the years whereas raiding, outside of difficulty shifts and accessibility changes was still the same at its core.
One of my favorite moments in my raiding career happened on the spider boss in Emerald Nightmare. The raid was dying off, maybe five people left, the boss on a sliver of health, me up in the air using wings as a ret paladin. Popped Avenging Wrath, divebombed the boss in combination with Blade of Justice... and it was a killshot. I slammed that boss into the GROUND. Whole guild cheered too... it looked absolutely epic from their viewpoint as well.
Really surprised Trial of the Crusader hasn't been mentioned. I really enjoyed that raid but I've heard a lot of people hated it. Maybe it wasn't one Preach progressed on? Or maybe he really liked it for the Tribute to Insanity achievement that rewarded a mount. Curious to see where it ends up.
Yeah, that's the big one that I'm really surprised hasn't popped up yet. It was panned pretty heavily basically as soon as it came out. Also, I'm shocked he hasn't mentioned most of the single boss raids like Magtheridon's Lair, Gruul's Lair (ok, technically two bosses), Obsidian Sanctum, etc. He mentioned Ruby Sanctum so that was a single boss raid, but there's no way that Sartharion was better than any of the raids he listed here.
I really liked Trial. All of the bosses have something good going on with innovative ideas. No annoying trash you have to deal with. No long walks after a wipe and the best thing in my opinion is that the whole thing is extremely atmospheric and has a place in the story of the expansion. Why are we fighting those bosses? Because we try to determine the strongest champions who gonna be the vanguard for the siege of ICC. They are not just some random bosses standing in the middle of an empty room waiting for you to kill them with no apparent job other then being the evil guy. At the end it ties back into the overall story really nicely when the Lichking shows up, fucks the whole place up and gives you a real challenge. The whole tournament setup and environtment is also a nice contrast to the rest of the expansion which is all about death, grand schemes, big places and the bleak darkness and cold. Some whimsical to give you a moment to breathe. But the ending of the whole affair reminds you that there is no escaping the grip of the Lichking and that death is all around you in northrend. I can understand why people don't like the raid, it is definitely not something that should be used as a Prototype for other raids. But in the context of the expansion and the role it was meant to fill I think they did a fantastic job with it.
Preach is immensely biased on ToC. It was his second tier with Method and he was very close to clinching a world first in there. Personally I think the negatives far outweighs the positives, but at least some of the bosses in there were very good.
I really enjoyed this video but in my case as someone that mainly raided heroic and some mythic Antorus was the last raid that I genuinely enjoyed running each week (except sometimes Coven that boss got me so salty sometimes) either way it was really cool to hear your thoughts so far!
13:35 Oh god, I remember this. My g/f and I had a 10-man guild and on Halfus literally her only job was to spam Wind Shear and interrupt him because since it was tuned to 25-man, the casts happened far too often. She wasn't even allowed to cast anything, cause she had to be dead-on with Wind Shear.
I have good memories of Tomb of Sargeras - I was so proud of my guild for making it to KJ mythic. We didn't down KJ, but just getting there felt like an achievement.
Oh, man. Who else clicked for part 2 and then was severely disappointed to find that it does not exist yet? ICC, TK, SC and Kara were my best times raiding. I am dying to know where Preach places them.
Maybe a stupid question, but how do you get that b-roll for the background. i noticed at 33:17 you turn flying off. Is there like an emulator or private server for that?
One of the biggest factors in all of this is the people you are raiding with and the nostalgia you have for it. For me, my raiding and my favourite guild experience peaked in Firelands. It was such a shame Dragon Soul was so underwhelming, it really saw a lot of that guild crumble.
Back in the day UBRS, Strath & Scholo were my favorite "raids" because being a 14 year old kid, learning from these adults who were realtively much better at the game to me, was awesome! They taught me how to tank & OT, rotations, etc. It was great, I loved every bit of it.
For me personally, Emerald Nightmare had one of my favourite fights as a tank, and it's the Dragons of Nightmare, I mean, the tank mechanic is to have two huge ass fucking dragons switch positions, keeping in mind cleaving and tail swiping, with the extra caveat, that if you don't do it properly it's just an instant wipe. It felt so satisfying when it worked out after the first few pulls. I understand it being a bit on the weaker side for DPS and healers, but for me, one of the best.
Stuff like this is interesting, because your memories and experiences at the time heavily influence whether you liked objectively what could be considered a good boss or not. My guild at the time was SUPER toxic in WoD and tainted so much of what should have been a great raiding experience.
Now i really want to see the top 10! For me the best raid is Firelands, just because i have the best memories in this game in that time period. I had the must fun playing the game during rag so even when i know there are way better raids in terms of content, the memories i have can't be compared
Preach you're kappin for putting SoO in the bottom half. There are 2 times in WoW when I really felt like I saved the world. Arthas and Garrosh. One of the most epic environments in video games period.
Best thing about Antorus, as a Warrior, popping all CDs, hopping into the pod and instantly oneshotting an entire wave of adds, aggroing the boss, resetting the encounter and getting kick from the raid. loved it.
Me thinks Mike's amazing gear wasn't quite so min maxxed back when ZA came out- still day raiding think we still got the server 1st as we cleared it at around 5pm long time ago maybe mike would clarify?
Defeating C'Thun and M'uru were things that i will always remember. They were both truly guild breakers. Overcoming them made our team so much better. The feeling "if we as a team were strong enough to overcome this challenge, we could literally face anything".
Look at the hair coming in!... this is pretty exciting getting to watch the rebirth of his hair atm its like preach fuzz. My favourite raid is actually last raid of Legion I enjoyed most of the bosses yet my fav boss of all time is Mr Star Boy in Nighthold hah so many people hated him. I have a lot of nostalgia for ICC when I first started looking at raiding more seriously, pugging was so much easier back then.. The world was so alive and so many friends eager to do stuff in game, what a time it was.
Ruby Sanctum will always hold a special spot for me. Got a random whisper rather late on the first night it was out. Turns out friends are ok with you ditching them to try for world first when Midwinter asks for help. Still to this day I have no clue why they asked me, but after the first attempt I didn't screw up mechanically.
I want to hear Mike’s thoughts on mythic Denathrius, Sylvanas, Jailer, Raza, Sark, Fyrakk. I really want to hear more in depth thoughts on these fights on why he likes it or doesn’t on a per fight basis. Similar to how Max ranks the bosses in the raid after the race, but hearing it from Preach would be so good. Not overall raids but fights on a per fight basis in a raid.
"Just because there is a last, doesn't mean I hate, hate, hate it" 7 minutes later .... "Tomb of Sargeras was just a miserable experience." " I don't have good memories ... despite playing with some of the most fun people ever. F tomb. Awful"
C'Thun was the hardest boss in WoW history and i loved it. The fact that we went from simple tank & spank boss designs where there was 1 tiny mechanic like "you are the bomb" or "this requires one guy to dispel something" or "this requires a 2nd tank to taunt the boss" to full on: There are 100 things to be aware of, everyone needs to position themselves, there are 20 things to watch out for, everyone needs to do this, to different phases.... the JUMP in complexity and things that need your attention, things that could go wrong. It was MASSIVE. Also the margin for error was quite small. It 1-2 dps died on one side, there was no way to kill the large tentacles in time before the next would spawn. In just every way it was like 20 steps up from every other boss in the game so far.
I have such fond memories of Zul Aman. We had a group farming for the bears and I finally got mine a couple of weeks before it became unavailable at prepatch(I think?). It could just be the nostalgia, but I still hold TK, SSC and even Kara(my first ever raid!) really highly.
As someone who's been playing for 16 years and did original Naxx in 2006 (went 7/15), it's still my favorite raid of all time in terms of how epic it felt, thematics, and mood. Nothing else compares. That place ACTUALLY felt scary.
I liked the art of Tomb of Sargeras so much that I didn’t mind the soaks, and I never did mistress/avatar/KJ on mythic so I have a fond memory of the place. When we read about the number of pulls top guilds had on those bosses my guild just called it a day.
Lmao 20 minutes into the video I'm like wait a minute why is this music on a WoW video so familiar? Then I realise it is actually Hades, good choice mate.
Also another comment to add, Crucible of Storms Mythic is probably one of the raids I'll be glad and happy for my team to have done and completed as world 9th alliance or something I recall? God, it was so much fun as Retribution to do. It felt good to kill the boss and I haven't had a feeling like that since the late 2000s.
I'm trying to fathom how ToC hasn't popped up on this list yet lol. Beasts of Northrend was a pretty cool fight on heroic but the rest of the raid was ugh.
Gorefiend in HFC was actually a spectacular fight. The bad reputation comes from it being WAY more difficult than the earlier bosses, and a lot of the later bosses so it killed a lot of guilds. In my opinion Gorefiend was an awesome fight to progress.
Is this list only taking Mythic into consideration? Because Tomb of Sargaras Heroic is one of my Top 3 favorite raids of all time. And everyone keeps telling me that Heroic Nathria is alot of fun and shits on Uldir as a 1st tier. (I don't raid Mythic)
100% this is only about highest difficulty, so mythic. CN heroic is fine, even great, but mythic is just mediocre, especially SLG and artificier that can randomly fuck you because how RANDOM those fights are.
I'm a bit confused here. How are raids where you seemingly enjoyed ALL the bosses, even if it only had a few of them, lower than raids where you only enjoyed like half of it?
They say in film a Masterpiece is a film with a handful of amazing scenes, and no bad scenes. I think that's why Antorus is so fondly remembered, Worldbreaker and Argus start and end the raid on high notes, with Argus being my all time favourite boss.
As a HW during Vanilla and “hardcore” raider during TBC and WotLK what I will say is the role/class you played during raids will have a huge influence how much you enjoy a tier. Raiding as a mage during vanilla, even during the awesome BWL / AQ40 was pretty boring at times. I changed to healer at start of TBC all the way through to end of WotLK and I far more enjoyed all those bosses even the rubbish ones to even the awesome vanilla bosses. I actually felt pressure and played a major reason why bosses died as a healer.
I actually really, REALLY liked Mythic Gorefiend. It took us about 100 wipes with guild to do it first time. However, later on in the expansion I pug-raided on my Warlock alt, progressing it with some people and helping them out, and managed to kill him on it WITHOUT Voice Comms. Most proud moment of my WoW career.
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“The bottom of the list aren’t bad they’re just the worst of the rads”
“This raid was absolute shit”.
:D
This is gonna be fun, I'm really glad to see content like this again. Reminds me of your earlier stuff
Dude yes. I love this kind of content tbh
Yah this video reminded me of the early days a lot
Yeah I really love press and I don’t mind the new stuff but I really want to see this kind of contents again
His 'content' has gotten stale ever since he just became a full time dungeon and raid dude. When him and Ghosty were playing together they made videos that had heart and enthusiasm in them. I get that his favorite thing to do is raid and gear up his one main, but when you go back to his days in Legion, the daily preach videos were far and away better than what he's put out latey. He actually played different classes, he tanked and healed, he made guides for those roles, he gave status updates every patch and for every raid. Somewhere in BFA he lost that spark, and it's sad. But I am glad to see this type of content from him again. He's still on my mount rushmore of WoW content creators, but he's definitely not doing anything to separate himself from the pack anymore. I mean, making a video about why you can't get into a group based o your raider.io score? That's the content he has now, compared to the legacy videos he previously made with the catalog of info and highlight footage that he's amassed over the years? It's sad.
@@blacksunshine9995 Preach has always been about that though. While the primary content at the start was about making class guides, there have always been videos discussing things about the game as a whole, albeit specifically things surrounding the PvE raid environment and the balance and state of class gameplay. And regarding playing other classes: back in Legion it was actually fun to level alts in spite and actually because of artifacts. Of course, also because of the mage tower. It hasn't been that way in BfA and not really in SL either. Can't blame him for that, especially after his guild died down (which usually gives anyone involved a bump in motivation to play), the raid hasn't been that good either on mythic and he's been livestreaming non-WoW stuff from 8:30 to currently ~15:00 daily outside of weekends, give or take, that have been simply more interesting and enjoyable to do.
"The lower ranked ones aren't bad!"
MC: "It's shit!"
Tomb: "It's shit!"
Sunwell: "It's shit!"
cuz they are anyone who likes MC just hates mechanics
Castle nathria it's shit
@@sheesh3214 Nah.
@@Freestyle80 I don't think anyone actually likes MC,
It’s because they are.
My God, Pleace rate the WoW Dungeons, we will be sitting here for hours xD
Classic Blackrock Depths is easily one of the best ones ever.
Maybe not all, o dunno, there has to be a way. Maybe making tier lists for each expansion
I would put The Oculus dead last followed by every MoP dungeon xD. I hate gimmicks and vehicle combat.
@@roberthansson8222 I fell in love with BRD. I loved the story, the design. When I first started playing the game it was the first place my guild mates and I would farm and explore. Classic couldn't quite recreate that experience since everyone knew all the secrets and shortcuts, but those first times clearing BRD and experiencing the story, especially as a dwarf, will always stand out in my mind as one of my favorite experiences in WoW.
Grimrail Depot is my favorite. It is so fun to do and the fact that you're on a train makes it even more fun.
"The lwest ranked ones arent bad"
next sentence
"I ABSOLUTELY DETEST MOUNT HYJAL THERES NOT A SINGLE REDEEMING QUALITY"
Oki Preach xDDDD
hyjal was just a 1-1 copy from the WC3 campaign sadly.
Hyjal has literally nothing going for it.
The story behind it does not make any sense at all, BC raids are usually just an excuse to throw popular characters as bosses for the sake of it, but Hyjal is not even an excuse, go back in time for the LOLz.
The mechanics are horrendous and unimaginative, the "mob waves" fight style was honestly better executed in Ahn'Qiraj, the bosses might as well be leveling dungeon bosses, their mechanics are stupid.
It's visuals are cool, but they are insulting, because instead of making Hyjal a zone with the files they had since vanilla, they opted for turning them into a lazy raid to fill in a tier.
Tell him he's wrong tho.
@@Loomx5 oh no he is defintly right, Just the transition was hilarious xD
Here is a list, but do yourself a favour and watch the whole video! So good!
2:10 #44 Battle for Mount Hyjal
3:18 #43 Molten Core
4:51 #42 Ruby Sanctum
5:53 #41 Tomb of Sargeras
7:39 #40 Sunwell Plateau
10:13 #39 Mogu'Shan Vaults
11:03 #38 Castle Nathria
12:20 #37 Bastion of Twilight
13:01 #36.5 Blackwing Descent
14:01 #36 Dragon Soul
15:01 #35 Ny'Alotha
16:08 #34 Terrace of Endless Springs
17:00 #33 Eternal Palace
18:25 #32 Uldir
19:58 #31 Highmaul
21:09 #30 Throne of The Four Winds
22:38 #29 Emerald Nightmare
23:47 #28 Antorus, The Burning Throne
26:12 #27 Siege of Ogrimmar
27:48 #26 Naxxramas (Vanilla)
29:44 #25 Upper Blackrock Spire
31:37 #24 Crucible of Storms
33:06 #23 Battle for Dazar'alor
34:38 #22 Trial of Valor
37:05 #21 Hellfire Citadel
38:36 #20 Firelands
40:53 #19 Zul'aman
You, my friend, are a hero
More content like this Preach. I know it might seem to be the "for clicks" type of content but this is the stuff a lot of people enjoy the most.
Absolutely, infinitely prefer concise thought-out videos on anything WoW related to TDPs and stream bits
Some of my favorite videos in the past (aside from the legacy videos) were the top 10s - whether serious or memey. It's just a easily digestible format as a viewer. I don't think there's genuinely anything wrong with it.
@King DJml
First Preach video I've clicked on in months that isn't Drama Time. To be fair, I'm not actively playing WoW atm, so that influences this. Thanks Mike!
i did enjoy his take on things.
Raiding to me has always been like the art and the music: Even when it's at its worst, it still never goes below "medium", and when it's at its best, it's some of the best in the industry.
Completely agree. I love raiding for the art, the music, my friends and fighting together with my guild to accomplish something, even if we don't get that far into mythic. I fucking love raiding and I have never hated a raid so much that I wanted to (temporarily) quit. I honestly don't remember hating a raid ever.
To quote a lad, I love it when a plan comes together.
Spot on!
Yeah! As basic as Molten Core is, for instance, I have fond memories of trying to hug the wall, while avoiding patrols for Garr, only to end up in frantic "last man standing" massacres. Or doing "double duty" for adds during Razorgore & Nefarian, or forgetting which buff did what and somehow barely survive Chrommagus.
Good times!
Well you're optimistic because in the 3 cases I can say there's both the best things you will ever experience in your whole life, and absolute garbage lol
Great video Mike! The memories came flooding back and surprisingly, they're overwhelmingly happy memories: All those guilds and raiders I raided with...great times. Good stuff!
Ruby Sanctum wasn't added in due to a content drought. It came out 2 months after the Frostwing Halls & Frozen Throne sections of ICC was opened after all (as ICC was timegated). It was to set up Cata.
I love he starts with "I love raiding and none of the ones at the bottom I hate" and then gets to those ones "It's shit, I looked for any chance not to do this"
To be fair, it's Hyjal. Nobody likes Hyjal. It's nice to do like once or twice if you're a W3 nerd, but as a group content it blows.
@@NostalgiaXV Yeah. I feel sorry for the guys who are going to farm it in TBC classic.
I still have ptsd from that crap. back in the days it literally took hours to finish it..
I will always remember Eternal Palace as my final retail raid. Because this was when WoW Classic launched and i got hooked and a better MMO.
I thought the concept of Mount hyjal was neat, it was not so much a raid and it felt more like you were actually in a battle. Also for molten core, wasn't that raid made by like one guy in like a couple of days last minute?
Mike tiering stuff like this actually is interesting compared to regular ol' clickbait. Fun factor + information. Go Mike!
There was almost exactly a full year from ICC release to Cata release - not one and a half years. What's worse than that though is that Siege of Orgrimmar was out for 13 months before WoD hit, then Hellfirce Citadel was out 14 months before Legion hit.
Your history videos about wow is what first brought me to your channel, stayed for the eye candy. Glad to see these again
Cataclysm should've been delayed for 2-3 months minimum. The horrible state it was in on launch is what killed at least 1 raid (Abyssal Depths). Blizz tried to hide it behind several reasons, but imo that was the main reason why that raid was scrapped.
This is the type of video I became a fan of Preach for. Bring back Legacy videos.
Loved this,cant wait for the 2nd part and im really excited to see the placement for the raids that are left cause most of them were super fun
My RUclips suggestions just titanforged some BIS content.
I don't quite understand why Terrace of Endless Spring was below both Nyalotha and Eternal Palace when Mike seems to have only really positive things to say about ToES but quite mixed feelings regarding the two others. Is it simply because it's small? I personally think it sounds like it should've been after at least EP, maybe competing more with Uldir.
Love this kind of content my dude, I only started raiding in Highmaul and hearing about all the stuff that happened before that is so cool
I have done Mythic Kil'jaeden recently with a friend and can only ask: How diid people do this in Legion?
Respect for putting old school UBRS on your list. UBRS was my first raid as well and those old 15 man runs were awesome.
43 minutes of Preach talking about raids? POGGERS
Uldir and Emerald Nightmare are such sleeper raids, everyone just immediately writes them off as being ez boring first tiers of the expansions but they were both pretty damn good.
I totally agree. IDGAF about Xavius, EN was a top notch raid.
You guys liked EN? I thought cenarius and that bird lady were and kinda cool fights, everything else was just boring af. Uldir was pretty decent. I’d easily put both highmaul uldir and CN over EN. He just likes it because fire was broken in that raid and he mained it
Illgynoth xavius dragons all horrifically bad fights ursoc was just a sleep tank and spank same with first boss En compared to all other legion raids was crap in comparison. Also the trash was disgusting.
@@TranscendentPhoenix Yeah agree. Uldir CN and High Maul were very good but EN genuinely very boring. First boss was kinda fun the first few times you progged but quickly just fell over once you'd geared.
Bird lady and Cenarius fun, the rest super dull.
Uldir was fine, except for G'huun.
These long dives into wow history etc are fantastic.
Also loving the hair man! looking great!
Thank you! You made my Day, again! Thanks Preach and team
Ranked videos like this may seem played our idea wise but I still love them. Just hearing thoughts about fights and so on is awesome.
MORE STUFF LIKE THIS PLEASE IT'S SO MUCH FUN HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY AND CONTENT OF THE GAME!!
People during Wotlk: Need another Raid this Content draught is boring af.
People now: Playing Wotlk private servers to relive that moment
Some people's been raidlogging ICC for the better part of a decade, its hilarious
I started retail on legion (was poor). I've played WotLK private servers for no less than 6 years. I can't wait for WotLK Classic on 2023.
@@dumpsterplayer5133 Warmane gang rise up
i wouldnt hold my breath, if the BC launch doesnt meet or exceed the vanilla launch there is no way they will proceed.. and i think lots of people had their fill of nostalgia already
Wow it’s almost as if there’s different people with different opinions!! What a crazy idea !!!
This is great content. I enjoy this. Can't wait for part 2. I was thinking to myself what are my top 3? You haven't mentioned any of them yet. So I'm excited to see where they each land on your list.
Another reason Emerald Nightmare is so disliked is because Legendaries had such a huge impact on performance. It felt awful being so far behind other DPS of the same spec just because you didn't high roll your first or second lego.
Plus, as was the norm with Legion, tank balance was awful so there's that too.
Really cool to have Mike's concrete thoughts on the different raids. It's fun to see others' points of view and how much of raiding depends on circumstances; who you play with, what you did at the time and how the "launch process" was. Not completely done with the video, but I'm gonna throw in my pick for first.
I think Siege of Orgrimmar was the best for me. I was in a 10-man raid with real life friends of very varying skill - mostly terrible at raiding, which made it so much more fun because we were all oblivious of how bad we were. It was awesome having a long raid of pretty good and different bosses that we could clear in our two raid days.
must have forgot trial of the grand crusader. hard to believe it would be ranked above some of these.
You know WoW raiding is good when there's 44 raids, and he already upgrades from "shit" to "hit or miss" by number 38.
The consistent quality of raids is what keeps me coming back WoW honestly. A lot of other games do a lot of things better, but they really do have some fantastic group challenges.
@@Loomx5 raiding has always been the premiere activity in WoW imo. PvP and dungeons were fun but they constantly had to fundamentally morph how they worked throughout the years whereas raiding, outside of difficulty shifts and accessibility changes was still the same at its core.
Well they better, because they ruined everything else the game had to offer over the years outside of maybe some mythic dungeons
Love this kind of retrospective content... have really missed it since the Legacy videos stopped coming.
Have you done the sunwell though? 😉
I have amazing memories of soloing the Sunwell with my girlfriend. Great times.
One of my favorite moments in my raiding career happened on the spider boss in Emerald Nightmare. The raid was dying off, maybe five people left, the boss on a sliver of health, me up in the air using wings as a ret paladin. Popped Avenging Wrath, divebombed the boss in combination with Blade of Justice... and it was a killshot. I slammed that boss into the GROUND. Whole guild cheered too... it looked absolutely epic from their viewpoint as well.
Top videos are very cliché but damn, can Preach do make them look great. Absolutely loved this one. Can't wait for part 2.
18:37 Vezax? General Vezax from Ulduar? Do you mean Zek'voz or Vectis from Uldir?
More like Mythrax since they have similar models. It's pretty annoying trying to remember all those faceless names if you think about it.
These are the kinds of videos I like from preach.
was really curious where you would put crucible of storms, glad it got a little love :)
nice video
Really surprised Trial of the Crusader hasn't been mentioned. I really enjoyed that raid but I've heard a lot of people hated it. Maybe it wasn't one Preach progressed on? Or maybe he really liked it for the Tribute to Insanity achievement that rewarded a mount. Curious to see where it ends up.
God I hope he just forgot about it. Rating ToC above firelands, Tos, EP and honestly most other raids on that list would kill something inside of me.
Yeah, that's the big one that I'm really surprised hasn't popped up yet. It was panned pretty heavily basically as soon as it came out. Also, I'm shocked he hasn't mentioned most of the single boss raids like Magtheridon's Lair, Gruul's Lair (ok, technically two bosses), Obsidian Sanctum, etc. He mentioned Ruby Sanctum so that was a single boss raid, but there's no way that Sartharion was better than any of the raids he listed here.
I really liked Trial. All of the bosses have something good going on with innovative ideas. No annoying trash you have to deal with. No long walks after a wipe and the best thing in my opinion is that the whole thing is extremely atmospheric and has a place in the story of the expansion.
Why are we fighting those bosses? Because we try to determine the strongest champions who gonna be the vanguard for the siege of ICC. They are not just some random bosses standing in the middle of an empty room waiting for you to kill them with no apparent job other then being the evil guy. At the end it ties back into the overall story really nicely when the Lichking shows up, fucks the whole place up and gives you a real challenge. The whole tournament setup and environtment is also a nice contrast to the rest of the expansion which is all about death, grand schemes, big places and the bleak darkness and cold. Some whimsical to give you a moment to breathe. But the ending of the whole affair reminds you that there is no escaping the grip of the Lichking and that death is all around you in northrend.
I can understand why people don't like the raid, it is definitely not something that should be used as a Prototype for other raids. But in the context of the expansion and the role it was meant to fill I think they did a fantastic job with it.
Preach is immensely biased on ToC. It was his second tier with Method and he was very close to clinching a world first in there.
Personally I think the negatives far outweighs the positives, but at least some of the bosses in there were very good.
The title does say "part 1" so chances are it will be in "part 2" ranked higher
I really enjoyed this video but in my case as someone that mainly raided heroic and some mythic Antorus was the last raid that I genuinely enjoyed running each week (except sometimes Coven that boss got me so salty sometimes) either way it was really cool to hear your thoughts so far!
Love these historic/compilation videos. Legacy of the Druid next! Please :)
13:35 Oh god, I remember this. My g/f and I had a 10-man guild and on Halfus literally her only job was to spam Wind Shear and interrupt him because since it was tuned to 25-man, the casts happened far too often. She wasn't even allowed to cast anything, cause she had to be dead-on with Wind Shear.
I have good memories of Tomb of Sargeras - I was so proud of my guild for making it to KJ mythic. We didn't down KJ, but just getting there felt like an achievement.
Oh, man. Who else clicked for part 2 and then was severely disappointed to find that it does not exist yet? ICC, TK, SC and Kara were my best times raiding. I am dying to know where Preach places them.
Maybe a stupid question, but how do you get that b-roll for the background. i noticed at 33:17 you turn flying off. Is there like an emulator or private server for that?
Your first bit of footage for UBRS at 29:47 is actually footage of Blackrock Depths.
Love this! Makes me nostalgic for the Legacy vids of yesteryear.
One of the biggest factors in all of this is the people you are raiding with and the nostalgia you have for it. For me, my raiding and my favourite guild experience peaked in Firelands. It was such a shame Dragon Soul was so underwhelming, it really saw a lot of that guild crumble.
That was probably the most enjoyable 43 min video i ever watched on YT , WTB part 2 thoooooooooo , am curious af
4:24 I love that you’re telling us about being a Priest whilst backwards-slo-mo falling into lava
Back in the day UBRS, Strath & Scholo were my favorite "raids" because being a 14 year old kid, learning from these adults who were realtively much better at the game to me, was awesome! They taught me how to tank & OT, rotations, etc. It was great, I loved every bit of it.
For me personally, Emerald Nightmare had one of my favourite fights as a tank, and it's the Dragons of Nightmare, I mean, the tank mechanic is to have two huge ass fucking dragons switch positions, keeping in mind cleaving and tail swiping, with the extra caveat, that if you don't do it properly it's just an instant wipe. It felt so satisfying when it worked out after the first few pulls. I understand it being a bit on the weaker side for DPS and healers, but for me, one of the best.
Stuff like this is interesting, because your memories and experiences at the time heavily influence whether you liked objectively what could be considered a good boss or not. My guild at the time was SUPER toxic in WoD and tainted so much of what should have been a great raiding experience.
Now i really want to see the top 10!
For me the best raid is Firelands, just because i have the best memories in this game in that time period. I had the must fun playing the game during rag so even when i know there are way better raids in terms of content, the memories i have can't be compared
Good choice with the Hades soundtrack as background music. Good, good choice.
Preach you're kappin for putting SoO in the bottom half. There are 2 times in WoW when I really felt like I saved the world. Arthas and Garrosh. One of the most epic environments in video games period.
Best thing about Antorus, as a Warrior, popping all CDs, hopping into the pod and instantly oneshotting an entire wave of adds, aggroing the boss, resetting the encounter and getting kick from the raid. loved it.
Great video, love the pacing.
i always enjoy hearing hardcore/longtime players takes and opinions on content
My top5
1. Throne of Thunder
2. Ulduar
3. Nighthold
4. Blackrock Foundry
5. Karazhan
Like the rankings. Top 10 Dungeons next?
Me thinks Mike's amazing gear wasn't quite so min maxxed back when ZA came out- still day raiding think we still got the server 1st as we cleared it at around 5pm long time ago maybe mike would clarify?
I enjoyed this video more than I expected ♥
My favorite raid was nighthold. It was such a great conclusion to the Suramar
I was gm/raid leader of Disconnected on Skywall Realm, the only guild on the server to full clear Sunwell. I feel your pain brotha lol.
Defeating C'Thun and M'uru were things that i will always remember. They were both truly guild breakers. Overcoming them made our team so much better. The feeling "if we as a team were strong enough to overcome this challenge, we could literally face anything".
Look at the hair coming in!... this is pretty exciting getting to watch the rebirth of his hair atm its like preach fuzz. My favourite raid is actually last raid of Legion I enjoyed most of the bosses yet my fav boss of all time is Mr Star Boy in Nighthold hah so many people hated him. I have a lot of nostalgia for ICC when I first started looking at raiding more seriously, pugging was so much easier back then.. The world was so alive and so many friends eager to do stuff in game, what a time it was.
Ruby Sanctum will always hold a special spot for me. Got a random whisper rather late on the first night it was out. Turns out friends are ok with you ditching them to try for world first when Midwinter asks for help. Still to this day I have no clue why they asked me, but after the first attempt I didn't screw up mechanically.
I want to hear Mike’s thoughts on mythic Denathrius, Sylvanas, Jailer, Raza, Sark, Fyrakk. I really want to hear more in depth thoughts on these fights on why he likes it or doesn’t on a per fight basis. Similar to how Max ranks the bosses in the raid after the race, but hearing it from Preach would be so good. Not overall raids but fights on a per fight basis in a raid.
Ready for part 2 now, please!
"Just because there is a last, doesn't mean I hate, hate, hate it"
7 minutes later .... "Tomb of Sargeras was just a miserable experience." " I don't have good memories ... despite playing with some of the most fun people ever. F tomb. Awful"
C'Thun was the hardest boss in WoW history and i loved it. The fact that we went from simple tank & spank boss designs where there was 1 tiny mechanic like "you are the bomb" or "this requires one guy to dispel something" or "this requires a 2nd tank to taunt the boss" to full on: There are 100 things to be aware of, everyone needs to position themselves, there are 20 things to watch out for, everyone needs to do this, to different phases.... the JUMP in complexity and things that need your attention, things that could go wrong. It was MASSIVE. Also the margin for error was quite small. It 1-2 dps died on one side, there was no way to kill the large tentacles in time before the next would spawn. In just every way it was like 20 steps up from every other boss in the game so far.
I have such fond memories of Zul Aman. We had a group farming for the bears and I finally got mine a couple of weeks before it became unavailable at prepatch(I think?). It could just be the nostalgia, but I still hold TK, SSC and even Kara(my first ever raid!) really highly.
awesome to hear your thoughts! More of this please! :D
raids yet to appear on Preach's list: Nighthold, Blackrock Foundry, Wrath Naxxramas, Obsidian Sanctum, Eye of Eternity, Ulduar, Trial of the Crusader, Onyxia's Lair, Icecrown Citadel, Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, Magtheridon's Lair, Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, Black Temple, Blackwing Lair, Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj and Temple of Ahn'Qiraj.
The last time I was this early, Preach was baldarino.
Still is.
As someone who's been playing for 16 years and did original Naxx in 2006 (went 7/15), it's still my favorite raid of all time in terms of how epic it felt, thematics, and mood. Nothing else compares. That place ACTUALLY felt scary.
I liked the art of Tomb of Sargeras so much that I didn’t mind the soaks, and I never did mistress/avatar/KJ on mythic so I have a fond memory of the place. When we read about the number of pulls top guilds had on those bosses my guild just called it a day.
Lmao 20 minutes into the video I'm like wait a minute why is this music on a WoW video so familiar? Then I realise it is actually Hades, good choice mate.
26:34 I love how we all measure time and life events in WoW expansions/raids 😂
Cheers, Mike.
The hair is coming in nice preach, kind of encourages me to go get it done for myself
Also another comment to add, Crucible of Storms Mythic is probably one of the raids I'll be glad and happy for my team to have done and completed as world 9th alliance or something I recall? God, it was so much fun as Retribution to do. It felt good to kill the boss and I haven't had a feeling like that since the late 2000s.
I'm trying to fathom how ToC hasn't popped up on this list yet lol. Beasts of Northrend was a pretty cool fight on heroic but the rest of the raid was ugh.
Gorefiend in HFC was actually a spectacular fight. The bad reputation comes from it being WAY more difficult than the earlier bosses, and a lot of the later bosses so it killed a lot of guilds. In my opinion Gorefiend was an awesome fight to progress.
It was an amazing fight. The feeling of finally getting it after 50+ attempts was amazing
Is this list only taking Mythic into consideration? Because Tomb of Sargaras Heroic is one of my Top 3 favorite raids of all time. And everyone keeps telling me that Heroic Nathria is alot of fun and shits on Uldir as a 1st tier. (I don't raid Mythic)
Yeah he says that at some point. Think he mentioned in past Tomb heroic is very good
Tomb was shit on HC too. Hated it, loved Legion but Tomb made me stop raiding as soon as I got aotc.
100% this is only about highest difficulty, so mythic. CN heroic is fine, even great, but mythic is just mediocre, especially SLG and artificier that can randomly fuck you because how RANDOM those fights are.
Small correction: The blue dragon boss on Sunwell was Kalec, not Malygos
I'm a bit confused here. How are raids where you seemingly enjoyed ALL the bosses, even if it only had a few of them, lower than raids where you only enjoyed like half of it?
Trial of Valor was a brilliant raid. Glad this video made me think of it again - I remember loving the Odyn fight!
bro your hair is popping off!, nice to see the results now :D
Good video! I gave it a like even though I really don't agree with some of the placements :P
Preach, do you ever plan to do more class guides? I feel you managed to explain them best and haven't seen one for a while now, we all miss them!
They say in film a Masterpiece is a film with a handful of amazing scenes, and no bad scenes.
I think that's why Antorus is so fondly remembered, Worldbreaker and Argus start and end the raid on high notes, with Argus being my all time favourite boss.
I need to find a guild, but it’s so hard to find a weekend only raid guild
As a HW during Vanilla and “hardcore” raider during TBC and WotLK what I will say is the role/class you played during raids will have a huge influence how much you enjoy a tier.
Raiding as a mage during vanilla, even during the awesome BWL / AQ40 was pretty boring at times.
I changed to healer at start of TBC all the way through to end of WotLK and I far more enjoyed all those bosses even the rubbish ones to even the awesome vanilla bosses. I actually felt pressure and played a major reason why bosses died as a healer.
I actually really, REALLY liked Mythic Gorefiend. It took us about 100 wipes with guild to do it first time. However, later on in the expansion I pug-raided on my Warlock alt, progressing it with some people and helping them out, and managed to kill him on it WITHOUT Voice Comms. Most proud moment of my WoW career.