2023 Indian FTR R Carbon | First Ride
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One of these in Europe did a 1 mile wheelie at 143mph setting a record lol.
Is there a video of that anywhere? That would be amazing to see.
Link to it?
There is a guy in Japan who did a 310 mile wheelie on a scooter. Even refueled while doing it.
I just bought my FTR R Carbon two days ago and am absolutely loving it!
I grabbed a 2022 FTR S in white last month. Absolutely love it. I find the clutch to be a little vague/inconsistent, otherwise incredible. Super nimble and easy to ride. Love this bike.
Did you notice the oscillating throttle?
@warpark I haven't noticed it at all honestly.
@warpark Went for a much longer ride the other day, and definitely noticed the throttle surging. People on the forums say a tune fixes it. It's not a big deal for me, but definitely something to be aware of
@@Toddwith2dogs I replaced the perch and clutch line on my 22 R Carbon and it made a world of difference. I also changed the front brake master cylinder with a Brembo RCS and the breaks are now 10X better in the feel department.
This Butt Nugget gonna test a ftr knowing good and well I'm in a Monster SP vs. FTR crisis
Get and ftr for sure 👍 Ducati will cost you more than the life of the loan lol
monster is much lighter i’ve ridden the ftr if you push it on tight roads it will feel heavy
“Butt nugget” has me dying over here. 😂😂😂 Well played.
If you plan on tracking and being a spirited rider you should go duc. But just for a daily rider and occasional spirited rides go ftr
I suggest a 2022 xsr900. I've had mine for almost a year and couldn't be happier. The long-wheelbase makes you the fastest thing off the line too. I haven't been beat 0 to 100
The FTR is killing it in the SUPER HOOLIGANS🏁🏁🏁🏁
I’m sure Chase’s opinions and observations of the copy he tested are valid.
But, I have owned a 2019 FTR S for a couple of years now and it’s been pretty flawless on the negatives Chase mentions. Re the clutch, I might just be insensitive to it, since I have a BMW R1200GSA whose clutch seems to engage at random places in the throw, and I’ve had to calibrate my clutch hand to work not off of muscle memory, but actually feeling engagement. I’ve definitely never dealt with the surging Chase mentions, though I do think that at lower throttle, my FTR is a little “snatchy” on and off the gas.
I find the switchgear and controls, and actually pretty much every part of the bike to be of excellent quality and workmanship. Pretty much every part on the bike is solid and weighty. I will admit that I think the switchgear is a bit over-complicated: too many stalks and triggers for my liking. But Indian has made it so you can either use the touchscreen, or the joysticks and other affordances to interact with the firmware (I generally don’t screw with it anyway). My main issue has been with winter gloves: I’m constantly accidentally “flashing” the headlight due to that trigger/switch’s location.
The bike is a hoot to ride around town and in the country, though my 18” wheel version is def a bit more of a fast/powerful cruiser/poser than a hooner, but so am I (though I don’t care for actual cruiser bikes). It could be a bit more comfortable in the legs for me. As Chase mentions, the pegs are ever so slightly “snug” and I’m tucked in the legs just a little more than I’d like. Depends on the boots and pants I’m wearing as to how much it really bothers me, though.
They mostly fixed engine heat issues on the 17” wheel bikes, as I understand it. Mine will definitely cook your right thigh to a crisp on a warm day. Kind of nice in the winter though 🤡.
Every single person who has commented on the bike has talked about how it is one of the most unique and beautiful bikes out there. It is really in a class of its own, IMO, and I dig it a lot.
That FTR has a really cool and unique look to it. Almost like a power cruiser with naked sports bike characteristics. I'm digging the cool tubular swingarm, reminds me of my old S2r.
The good thing about the high price for what it is is that many people aren't buying these carbons for the full price so there are SO MANY carry overs now. You can find this exact bike brand new for like $14k now in 2024. I don't think it's worth $17k, but for $14k... hey...
This bike is amazing!!! The finest bike to ride I’ve ever rode. And at 63 I’ve rode most of them. I tell you what it’s a beast and will put a smile on your face. Get out there and have the time of your life Indian killed it. Trust me you will have a blast!!! Ride On !!!
i absolutely love the FTR! it gives me modern day "evel knievel" vibes..
Evel Knievel - imitation diavel! ( In a positive way)
I test rode this bike the other day and I 100% agree a quick shifter would make this bike awesome AF.
I love my 2019 FTR, Lloydz tune really helps with the throttle response.
Am I just the only one who doesnt care about the FTR? There's so many Japanese bikes that do better for a similar bike.
They are nice bikes and the closest thing to an American sport bike that you are going to fine. That being said, you point about foreign competitors making comparable bikes at a more approachable price is 100% on point!
I think the ftr is pretty badass...is it as badass as my 2020 z900 probably not 😏
Beautiful bike but definitely needs some tweaking. But for $17k? PASS
The frame and swing arm are nice!!!
Indian does have a problem, across FTR and the Scout. Only brand that's tried to kill me twice, with what seems to be a bad programming or design of power delivery under specific situations. Most of the time it was during left lean situations at two very different speeds. 45 and 7... The 7mph was an aggressive high side due what seems to be bad geometry and horrific power delivery. Complete lack of throttle response for about 0.5 to 1 second, followed by an overflood of power. Not fun... I own an Indian, Kawi, KTM, Honda, and a couple of dirt bikes. Never have I ever experienced anything like this...twice!
You son of a bitch, you found one. 😂
Hope you enjoyed the ride! 😊
Just tried a '22 tuono which had the exact same surging problem. Very unsettling that the bike never seems stable with 175 hp.
I was really considering the FTR, but it is a showstopper for me that the fuel mapping is this bad.
Hopefully I'll be picking up my Carbon R this weekend!
Been riding the bike before the video, still doesn't know there are physical buttons for the menu. Makes sense 🤦🏾♂️
I must say that is a very good looking motorcycle for a naked bike
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Have a 22 ftrs and have never had any hint of a speed wabble over the past 2 years
Ive driven both the Ftr and Mt10 and i much prefer the low end torque of the ftr
I recently tested a 2023 FTR Sport, and I thought it was superb. Mild mannered and comfortable riding around town, and it comes alive when riding through twisty country roads having great handling and loads of instant power available in any gear, very confidence inspiring. The FTR can be a hooligan, but it also is happy taking it easy if you just want to leisurely sweep around the countryside enjoying the view. It does generate some heat in slow moving traffic, but no more so than my Ducati Monster 821 used to, and I didn't find it excessive. It is a bit expensive, but then so are many bikes from other premium brands, and it's different not a boring clone without personality.
I loved it, in my opinion it looks superb, and it's great fun. The FTR R Carbon is top of my purchase list.
Owned one and I have some good memories but yeah I wouldn't buy it again or recommend it to anyone
Why not?
stupidly overpriced for the features/performance. Can only go like 100 miles on a tank.
@jasonlayton8760 I have been very interested in this bike, but the price is definitely a stretch, although the liter naked bikes are getting high too, and 100 miles per tank are laughable. Drop it $3k-$4k and give us 150+ miles per tank!
Look for a used one if you must. A lot of people say after the 2019 model it lost a lot of its character when it went to the smaller wheels. There were other changes that were made post 2019 that were unfavorable, but I forget what they were. There is a pretty sweet exhaust + tune combo for the bike, the exhaust is called toce@@TheFamilySwogger
The MT 09 is better and the 09 sp is even better
This is like getting a “letter from the kidnappers”(jokes folks, zero ill will) is Chase ok. I hope yes🎉❤
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OC - Never ridden an Indian before, but just knowing what I know about EURO 4/5 compliance, I'm sure it's a tuning issue that most mfg are having to comply with. If you can get a decent tune put on it, it would help regulate the air/fuel mixture a bit better. My Diavel 1260 has a similar problem. Great content as usual Chase, keep it coming!
Tune turns these into a whole new bike no joke
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I tested this thing last year. I just couldn't get into it. Like it felt kinda weak on power even in sport. I rather have an Mt-09.
Weak?...you sure you tested this bike? Dude, I have a zx1400, a Carbon Diavel, (As well as a vrod muscle, CVO Convertible...profile photo, and a CVO RK...none of those as a power reference for to this bike) but yeah, I have lots of seat time on super-bikes, and while this Indian is as far from a true Sport Bike as it can get, it certainly is NOT weak. I don't even like Indian motorcycles (EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE) and after test riding the FTR Rally and the Carbon, I'm about to buy that Rally. 0 to about 80, this damned bike is a beast!
Beginner rider question should the lack of tech nannies on the indian scout rogue be a deal breaker for a beginner bike. My riding experience is basically a yamaha moto 4 when I was a tike then a 1975 yamaha 250 Enduro I rode off road for quite a few years
If you have ABS that's really all you need. You won't be going fast enough as a beginner to need more advanced electronics. Maybe traction control but not necessary.
Hey Chase! I have the same problem with oscillation that you had on the FTR R Carbon. But only with the cruise control, on my Sportster s -21 especially at lower speeds like 35 mph and slower. Saw that you also have a Sportster s and was wondering if it's something you've noticed on your bike as well?
Best regards Fredrik from Sweden.
What year is your bike?
@@TheHavoc09 a -21
Schwinn=Bike;&Ndian/H.D.=Cycle.
Test rode a ftr the other day. Beautiful bike, smooth (clutch too smooth as vid said) but yar, i wasnt impressed.
3 seconds in this vid from 40 to 60 says a bit (not the quickest beast thats for sure)
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I dunno, might be splitting hairs here. I rode an FTR carbon at the Indian ride today. Sure, it had a lot of power, but the transmission felt clunky as hell to me. Also, it didn’t turn into curves as fast as my Triumph. Truth be known, I preferred the Indian bobber. It still had 100 hp, and was all comfortable to ride. Still, the wheelie factor of the FTR brought a smile to my face. My favorite bike was their big full sized, water cooled dresser style bikes. I guess I’ve gotten old and like driving a couch down the highway.😂
FTR is solely about the looks like a custom lowrider
Chase on seems to really hate this Bike... this is an example of cruiser bike riders should just stick to what they know. Check out Motojitsu's Review of this bike for a professional review of 2 of the FTR 1200 models. This is an advanced riders bike and not for beginners. If you cant ride it in Sport Mode its too much bike for you and you shouldn't ride it. I bought a New 2023 FTR 1200 Sport from Indian for $13,057 last month. It has the torque and handling of a liter bike with a flat track naked look and feel. I have owned a 05 GSXR 1000, Katana 1200, 1200 Bandit, several smaller bikes and currently selling my 2008 NightRod for a couple reasons. 1. Missed having a bike that corners well. 2. missed instant power all through the RPMs. 3. Wanted a current model that parts are not obsolete soon. 3. Bought a FTR 1200 after looking at all the drones built in Japan, italy and were ever KTMs are built to find I really wanted a wicked quick Hooligan medium sized frame bike that had 2024 electronics (cornering ABS, Nav, Music etc), a sport bike feel with naked bike ergo's, and I wanted a bike that was rare on the street. Chase thanks for crapping on the FTR and keeping others away from it. Its a beast and way to much bike for most cruiser riders...
just got one of these bikes today and cant wait to ride it
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Ryan F9 believes this is the most beautiful motorcycle.
[everyone liked that] ..i mean look at it, so much beauty to see.. from the side :)) the only idol i would have on a poster \m/
Mine definitely turns heads. The first day I rode mine I stopped at a gas station and some random guy asked to take a picture of it. Lol
Xsr900 half the price twice as reliable
Similar price to a MT10. And when thats considered, there is no competition.
you get more power with the MT10 and Yamaha reliability is priceless
Why buy this over a Streetfighter V2?
comparing the FTR to the MT-10SP is just wrong, not even remotely similar except MSRP. It's more like a BMW R Nine T, or a Speed Twin 1200.
The low speed or steady speed characteristics of this bike are very weird. I have such a love/hate relationship with this bike. Currently it's a love love - it's a really fun bike to ride at high speed. At low speed it's herky jerky and strange. Love the cruise control but again at low or moderate speeds, it's still herky jerky. It is not super comfortable for longer rides and the fuel mileage is awful awful awful, but it is an incredble machine and fun as hell to ride!
Good and honest review. Everything you said is true. But it's still a fun bike to ride!!
Much more bike than I need but that has nothing to do with anything. Another abysmal factory exhaust that will cost a large chunk to recycle. I get that manufactures are constrained by regulations but what’s the point if most people are going to yeet the whole system immediately
Im 45 5 foot 8 coming from riding 2 stroke 250cc dirt bikes and totally torn between this and the Scout Sport.
Chillin at about 130 on the highway... Adjust the suspension a little bit and she'll be perfect... Haha... constant on the throttle, oscillating??? Maybe you're just really weak. I've never noticed that.
Adjust the clutch cable
Good looking bike, not absolutely beautiful, but good. That price point with a shitty touchscreen display, small screen to boot, slow boot up, big stupid signal lights...meh, it's an extremely HARD PASS. Too many better options out there unless you're just an Indian guy.
I wouldn't trade my 2023 Indian FTR 1200 Sport for anything!!! Why rain mode in the dry??? Strange! My FTR corners and rips better than any other naked I've ridden!!
The FTR suffers from poor foot peg placement. It's way too high for the frame and seating position. There's a kit that lowers the pegs down by a TON and it's sooo SO much more comfortable. It's a must have mod for anyone wanting to hoon or stunt around on.
What is that kit?
Yeah, I might have to look into that. It is basically my only mild complaint about the bike besides the fact that my 2019 is a thigh roaster.
Demo day coming up ....looking forward to riding this a few times + some scouts & sixty's.
Bro, I take my FTR too the mountains ALL THE TIME! It's fantastic. And I'm a former Ducati owner,
Its a Ducati Scrambler
Hi chase. Would you buy xsr900 2023 for MSRP or over, because the dealers can and the bikes are sparsely available. Vs 2023 (yeah leftovers) FTR 1200 sport for $9k or R carbon for $11k OTD?
You don’t need the steering damper because of the long wheel base. Even the super hooligan race bike doesn’t have steering damper and they are going much faster than you ever be.
A large pot hole, bump or doing wheelies can still cause a tank slapper so I would argue a steering dampener could still help
For 17k you’d think they would include a quick shifter and a steering dampener.
Just love the look of this Carbon FTR, thinking it be great for me... as I have ZERO need for M10 155 hp anyway
It’s an American motorcycle it’s not metric so it’s going to be quirky. I am taking delivery on a FTR tomorrow. As always great video.
Loving my FTR 100% carbon 2024 it's gorgeous and rides like a demon
The FTR is a real beast
This or the guzzi? I assume they compare power, brembo, ohlins, weight, "cruiser"...
It is not necessary For the screen to cycle through everything. Just a few seconds for the fuel pump and you can start it up.
Yo chaseontwowheels can you make a video of the Honda CB650R the naked bike version ?
You can twist the throttle the wrong way and it kills the cruise control
Mt 10 over this hands down... it does look beautiful though
Completely different types of bikes. The power delivery on this is more like a hammer, rather than the smooth progression of the MT. This is more flat track hooligan than a naked super sport.
The exhaust pipes look so awkward on this bike. It’s like it was a afterthought.
Why do they make the exhausts look so Beefy and then sound so crappy.
Dunno why you wobbling at 80, my base will go 125, no problem
The bike "surges". Especially in cruise control.
I love it though.
Oh dear, too many electronics on a bike is not such a good thing after all.
17k bike and has the ugly 1980’s turn signals , should be LED’s , and that license plate holder just kills it for me ! Plate / signals should be under the seat ! For their TOL bike…..it’s lacking ! Other than that it looks bad ass !
They are LED's though...
God thats a gorgeous bike. That screen would tick me off though haha.
OC: that's a shame the ftr doesn't do it for you, I've always loved the looks of it but never rode one before. 👍
Any experienced rider i need your HELP!!! Im looking to get a bike to do uber eats, il be riding 7days a week 8-12 hours a day. My market is full of drivers so getting a bike is my last bet to keep doing this. PLEASE Help a brother out and give me some advise. What beginner bike would be best for this??
A large scooter, 400cc or more.
I wonder what the reliability will be like indian is the only bike that was rated below Harley
I just rode the race replica...and I actually sold it to the owner lol nice bike. They rock
wont you want to try the new ducati scrambler, the 2023 model
Oscillating throttle? Yuck! I would not like that at all.
This video and the music make me fall in love with this bike.
OC: pretty bummed out about the cons, but she does look pretty 🤩
How does the compare to the ducati monster 1200s
Is the heat generated by the engine unbearable? Great video otherwise!
the difference between the 2 speed numbers is hella big
You guys should do a review on the honda nxr 160 bros
Bar end mirrors, aftermaket exhaust and some type of undertail plate holder.
That would round out this bike.
I found it sits to high for me personally.
The 2022/23 models (apart from the Rally) have a lower seat height than the original 2019, it's now 780mm (30.7in). I'm only 5ft 8in with a 31in inside leg, and I can flat foot on it.
My 2022 has never had wiggling in the handlebars.
Is it close to scrambler 1200 ??
15:18 my favorite track from your First Ride videos.
3:40
told me all i needed to know about this one XD
thanks
My 2022 FTR Carbon oscillates. It’s kinda weird
Tune it. That will stop.
That's my idea of a motorsickle!
Beautiful bike, too pricey.
Awesome bike. I think the base model is good enough.
What helmet are you rocking there!
I absolutely loved the FTR when I demoed it. It isn't that light though. It's over 500lbs iirc.
Edit: Indian really needs to work on their fueling in a big bad way. Even the Scout I test rode was kinda wonky.
Sounds like a Kettle whistle at idle.