I see all the comments where these PCN's have caused people utter misery. Direct action is what is needed, cover the camera's, block the car park. The directors of these companies can be found as can the real offices. I am planning on getting some stickers made that can be used to cover the camera lens and the signs to sell to like minded people that have had enough.
Thank you for the video Richard. I am having similar situation with NPM taking me to court, they are sending seperate claims instead of putting all the tickets in 1 claim. I have to go to hearing next month, and another God knows when... They are demanding £1,200 for 5 tickets because I was parked for roughly 5 minutes on all occassions due to my work (delivery driver). Sick and tired of these scammers asking for outrageous money, and constantly harassing working people. The government needs to put a stop to this!!!
@@paul_my_plumbs_uk as someone who's been batting these away. Never ignore the letters (in my opinion) ask for the signed contract between you, and verification of the debt in the form of the full accounting and deed of novation (for the transferring of debt). Read their letters carefully, they'll usually trip themselves up. If they keep ignoring, keep asking for proof. Once you get to 2 or 3 letters and they still ignore the proof. Let them know about the protection from harrassment act and the Administration of Justice Act 1970 section 40. If they send you even a ingle letter demanding or threatening after this then that should be enough cause of action and breach of duty to sue!. All the best!
Well done fella for standing your ground against these robbing b******s. And I hope your succeed in your case. The worst ones are in hospitals. Honestly, these parking companies have no morals. I think they were pushed through during Blair's time in government. It's disgusting that these companies even exist, let alone have the audacity to charge these horrendous amounts.
Thank you Richard for posting this, very useful and I totally agree that these tactics are disgusting. I received one of these County Court Business Centre docs yesterday for a parking overstay 6/1/22 which was for £60 when I tried to pay it online within the 14 days before the discount rate expired the UKPC website only had £100 option available for me to pay. I took a screen print ,showing the date etc so glad I did now) I did try to call them, long story where they asked me to send in the proof, when I did that, they sent a response, we will respond within 35 days (took a screen print of that too) and next time I called them I was told it was now to late to appeal and my fine now £160 and gone to debt collectors. Lots of letters and phone calls made by me, the collectors actually every aggressive, I did give up calling them around 6/2022 & the debt pay now letters continued and now I have this Court Claim. I will try and some legal advice I think as if I acknowledge or file defense to what feels like a bogus set up I may incriminate myself into this farce which may have some legal standing. Very sad for 15mins overstay on a really cold and icy day where it took longer to walk carefully back to my car, in a car park in Reading (not my home town) where(I found out) this car park is notorious for these kind of stitch ups and scare tactics.
GET IN!!!! Well done for standing up to these criminals! If you are in the right, then you have to fight and it paid off!!!!! Make sure you treat yourself to something nice with the money they tried to steal from you!!!
They have no powers they rely on people's ignorance and fear. I stopped paying council tax fifteen years ago. It's all a scam, read up on our English Constitution.
The BIGGEST MISTAKE people make when challenging parking tickets is not checking for ERRORS made by the parking company. If they dont issue a parking charge correctly, or have proper signage or follow the regulations, you can win your case at appeal or court stage. Parking Mate UK can help you appeal tickets easily. CNBC is a processing centre, BUT you have to file a defence, N180 form and witness statement for the case to be decided at a hearing.
So received my letter from Northampton Business Centre yesterday for an alleged parking offence in July 2016. They are trying to claim £508 + £140 court costs. I’ve completed my defence statement online today so we’ll see how it goes. Will post progress on here so together we can hopefully beat these criminals
STICK TO YOUR GUNS FIND OUT WHO EXACTLY HAS BEEN TO THE COURT AND GO AFTER THEM, you will probably find you dont get an answer, cause they will be liable to prove you owe the bill which you dont or it would be in a proper court not a business centre . Equity Courts only Queens bench which should now have turned back to Kings bench. chancery courts these are the only courts which deals with the man/woman not the fiction person your Mr man/woman name. thats where you will get the WIN.
Congratulations for you win. I've just got a ccj just seen on my credit report think it's for parking in the hospital I was having scans done and drove my self in . I don't no what to do about it😢
Same happened to my brother he had to leave his car on the hospital car park due to a visit to A&E then had an emergency admission it was there for a week I asked the ward clerk to speak to the parking office she did so and gave the date of his discharge when he could go and remove the car they didn't charge or fine him
I entered a car park that was apparently shut till the business opened at 11, I parked there around 9,30 ish, there was no one in the car park, the car park is free, and didn't cause any financial loss to the company involved by taking up a car park space, I was only there about 30 minutes, and the place was still shut when I left, but got clocked by anpr camera thing, and now getting took to county court for it!!!
My journey for this has just started, I in tend on going the exact same route as this, they are crooks stealing from the public with fear and we shouldn’t stand for it.
*It's not an administrative centre. It's and ONLINE EXTENSION of COUNTY COURT. You must file via defence pack. Parking tickets are contestable but CCJs must be avoided as they go against your name and credit file.*
I have heard staff there state they are not connected with the County Court. This centre is breaking the law. It clearly states in Halsbury's Law that admin law is unLawful in England and Wales. No one can fine us unless we have stood in a Court of Law and are found guilty by a jury of our peers as clearly written in our English Constitution.
I live in London and got a Warrant of Control - unpaid penalty charge from Northampton County Court Business Centre for driving in the London ULEZ just off the north circular road. There seems to be something very wrong going on. What has Northampton got to do with driving in London and surely only a judge can sign and issue a warrant.
I’ve had a fine for parking in my own car park space (allocated to my apartment) because I didn’t show the valid permit in the windscreen. The afternoon before the fine was issued, I received my first covid jab (proof of this from the NHS) the jab caused me to feel nauseous, tired, out of breath and putting the permit on my car was the last thing on my mind… ZZPS keep sending me threatening letters, adding fees to the charge and claiming to take me to court. I’ve fought back stating the car space was my own, I haven’t done anything illegal or criminal. The signage states that parking is allowed by two means; 1) A valid parking permit (to be visible in windscreen) 2) pre-authorised vehicles So why isn’t a system in place to register the cars of the residents whom live in the apartment complex!? I had live in the apartment nearly two years before Parking Solutions Ltd have put in the place the parking rules etc and in my tenancy contact is does not state that a permit is needed to use the allocated parking space provided. Please advise anyone? Am I doing the right thing by sticking to the militant approach? Am I in wrong?
I cant tell you what to do I can only speak on my own experiences but I've also had similar. At some apartments where I was living they constantly issued parking tickets knowing I lived there and sent me threatening letters. I actually amassed over £2000 worth and they have disappeared. For me if I was ever threatened with court I'd go just so I could have my say on these corrupt parking companies who think they can threaten and scare people into paying riduculas fines
@@thefunkstarking thank you for replying, I’ve called them today and told them to stop sending letters and adding charges and just set a court date and we will settle it there.. they wasn’t sure on how to respond to that 😅
Have a look at this video ruclips.net/video/XpudMOKLV58/видео.html It's about private parking tickets, but they have videos about council parking as well
How have you got on? Did they give you a means to pre-authorise your vehicle? They should retrospectively authorise you if it's your parking space. I'm guessing they left you alone. I can see the Daily Mail headline of a resident being sued for parking in his own space.
I am at present about to prepare a defense with EL, basically because I didn't input car reg attending zumba in 2020, where I have been going for years. Wasn't aware of new system until a friend told me. She also received a PCN and wrote to CEL, she was told to pay £20. I appealed and was rejected. I am so annoyed as was allowed to park there, just didn't input car reg details in keypad, which was at the back of reception. Don't need this stress but going to fight, such bullies. They put on court form I broke the contract and never got a permit , I didn't need a permit, I didn't input car reg. If anyone has any tips gor defense would be appreciated.
Good luck my hearing is next month. I would be interested in hearing about your case. They said that all reasonable people should know when they enter the car park that there will be charges but I don't think that is the case. Basically I would like to hear from people that say they didn't notice the signs and were unaware there would be a fine after a period of free parking. Were the signs prominent enough?
Hi Richard, I sold a car, had a parking ticket as the car wasn't transferred as yet. I had a court notice, and I was covid positive at that time and couldn't respond in time, when I sent a defence but the hearing was done. I was already charged as a CCJ is registered under my name. I paid £350 thinking this is a court order, and I can't do anything. Can I get my CCJ removed, I can't get a mortgage it has made life a lot more difficult.
Perhaps a look at the bottom of the paperwork will yield a clue. If its from a company, it is a requirement that under s44 of the companies act 2004, a signature is required from the director or secretary. As these letters have none, this becomes fraud. A complaint to the insolvency service regards abuse of corporate power might help. Also, a dsar as to whether they had your permission to store, prcoess your data etc.
I wanted to go to court. The company lied on my particulars of claim and I have good photographic evidence that the company did not follow the BPA guidance. I have about 15 pages in my defence. We had a court date and the judge ordered the parking company provide photographs. When I sent my defence to the court (including witness statement), and copied in the parking company's legal team, they replied to me to sate that they had been instructed us to discontinue Court proceedings and close their file. It's over. I won. I quoted Bowen in my defence.
Hi Richard. I am in a similar situation with the same company. I pulled over for 11 minutes on a double yellow line in Stanstead Airport in 2018! I had not received any information about this as the V5C was at another address. I have sent a defence back stating what happened. Did you hear back from them after this video was posted? Thanks, Matt
if you haven't paid it after 4 years have elapsed it's null & void. apparently, remember reading something about it a while ago. recieved one from Northampton County Court on 06/06/2022 => 666 what a surprise..
The limitation period is six years. If the parking company has not brought a case against you before six years is up, it will be too late; they will be unable to force the debt. Once you have a CCJ, technically there is no limitation period. However, if the parking company has not enforced collection in the first six years of the CCJ, then things get a bit murky. The CCJ will drop from your credit record. The parking company will need to seek leave of the court to enforce the debt but they will be required to answer why they have not enforced the debt thus far. It is unlikely leave will be granted unless there are compelling reasons such as they were unable to find you. If you have lived at the same address all the time, they're scuppered. It's a grey area and there needs to be a test case.
Hi, I just checked your channel for the follow up but there's only two videos. I just received a CCJ notice from the same company you did but in Glasgow yet I have zero clue what it's for! They didn't mention any name of client just the cost: £331. I've never had a parking ticket in years and, if I have before that, I've paid them!
Hi mark. Ive had same letter. I think im gonna do same. Accept to go court but make offer on grounds £300 excessive. Mine is for 25mins. Its a joke. Ive always had letters ive ignored for other offences but this the first time ive had ccj. I think its more scare tactics. Do not pay
@@adamlloyd3526 I've contacted my MP and first. he came back saying he'd speak to them for me and then, this evening, he sends me a mail asking if I have sought legal advice. I've already. told him I believe. it is legalised extortion. I recorded my conversation with them and they refused, on being asked "Who owns the debt" about 6 times in succession, to tell me. That is very telling and I have mentioned this to my MP. They are holding back pertinent information and that is a sign of "unclean hands" in law terms. If they have bought the debt then I have no contract with them and they know it. However, my MP will not, under any circumstances tell me this is what. they are doing because it, effectively, is State sanctioned. It's conning and scamming the public while the legal system is enabling. it.
Hey I am receiving similar threats from these criminals. Could you please make that video about how you won the court case? And congratulations for winning against them :)
T the more I read about these companies, the more annoyed I get. I understand it’s very risky business to take these companies on, however, there is one sure way that these companies can be held to account, and that is a public uprising towards the government who are allowing these companies not only to rip off, but intimidate the motorist for the most simplest of mistakes. If everyone, who ever received a parking ticket wrote to their MP, then I’m sure that there would be enough people to force the government hand. severely regulate this crooked industry.
You still lose at the end of the day because you’ve then got to take time off work to attend court, then the stress of mounting your defence and waiting for a decision, loss of earnings all over parking a car. That system needs total reform. These debt companies should be capped at a maximum of treble the original fine.And told that they can’t levy on a persons property over a parking ticket or access their property without permission nor clamp vehicles. As a debt collection company all they should be doing is encouraging debtors to pay the balance offering payment plans.
Yeah, I agree. This isn't about trying to get away with paying parking tickets or fines. It's about fairness. Paying for parking has a purpose, and fines are a way to control it, but these crooks are taking it too far. I see no issue with charging people a full days parking and maybe a small surcharge. When you're talking £100 fine because a 50p parking ticket isn't purchased, to me, it's obvious what their tactics are. It's way more in their interest for people to not buy a ticket and that's where the tactics come in with the poor signage, poor positioning of pay machines and even free parking for short periods of time! It may seem like a bonus getting a free 15 or 30 minutes, but it's a sure fire way to increase the amount of people parking without a ticket in the hope they go over the free time! It's gets me annoyed!!!
Companies all use CCBC as it's a rubber stamping system if you ask CCBC a question you may never get an answer. Anyone can use them though as this is what keeps the lawyers, barristers, and solicitors in the job. ! where else can you earn 1000 per day? block your number plate in a private car park! nowt they can do as the whole system is built mainly on anpr
Hi Richard im going threw same iv wrote back and told them i will go to my own court were i live they trying to slap parking fine on me not even the mentioned company and they said i park a min walk from my home waiting for reply thanks for advise
@@Latbirget They always say that to scare you into settling with them, …but they also have to pay the court fees 2 weeks before the hearing. That’s when they decide to drop the case, as the court fees and paying a solicitor will be a lot more than they can legally gain from you if the decision goes against you.
I’ve just had one of these county court business letters for parking in magor services in wales. It was 2am in the morning ffs. I was tired never left my car and they want £272. They can piss off!
THis is exactly what happened in my case, parked in a services at night in an empty car park to sleep, unaware that there were restrictions! What has happened in your case, did they enter judgment in default? Did you defend the claim?
Same. With civil enforcement. For allegedly overstaying at a co-op car park during 2020 lockdown. Where limited people could enter a store plus social distancing. Think the car park only allowed 20mins. Ridiculous
I received a " summons " from this " bulking centre " some years ago and i wanted proof of claim, so after phoning Northampton Magistrate court ( the real court ) to enquire whether there was any warrant in my name , i was told there wasnt, so i reposted their summons, no stamp with a note to say that " i dont recognise this courts authority " and i have heard no more......If this court was genuine, my feet wouldnt have touched. Beware of these private parking fines, they are bogus and note, council tax claims , TV LICENCE claims are held here too and i pay neither. Bulking centres are NOT real court. They are rooms hired out and dressed as HM COURT with official looking letter heads which you should IGNORE , These courts are court de facto and real courts are court de jure and court de facto is FRAUD. Fraud is a very serious criminal act , far more serious than your parking fine and you do have grounds to counter claim. Now is the time to wake up to this scam .
Oh and despite the comment by @stu2418 there are currently NO CCJs on my file and i have been fighting these fraudsters for myself and others for a decade.
Hi... Great vid... ive got the same stress with harringay council... driving down a road during restricted time... Northampton place as well.... total farse... evil gits. Now up to 480 from 60. Lol?
Hi....... Have my hearing this week at Northampton Bussiness centre, my parner pulled over in a car park in Luton to answer her phone, at 2.00 in the morning as the regestered keeper they have sent us the fine £185, and have claimed that because of poor light the signage was not clear when entering the site..I have not given her details to parking eye...
Well good luck and keep us informed. These criminals will win cases, but we shouldn't be afraid to fight them if we know we are in the right. We can't keep giving in to their scare tactics of mounting fines. Have you submitted images of the signs during the night and was there clear signage at the entrance of the car park?
Excellent! That says it all!! They threaten people with ridiculous fines in order to scare them, and I think when push comes to shove, they back down when you fight back! So what is happening now?
I have dealt with these scumbags before and received the same responses. I also sent dcbl a dsar and they told me they don't have the details of the claim and therefore no proof of claim. I've not heard nothing for 6 months since sending my directions questionnaire. The claim has been stayed once already.😅😅😅😅😅😅
Rule no 1 A closed trap catches no flies. In other words no correspondence whatsoever . Rule no 2 dept collection agency's tell lies. Simples thank me later 😅 .
I've got a question. I had a £120 carparking fine from Park With Eaze for not paying for a ticket at a local nature reserve. Now, the idea of parking fines is a punishment by financial loss, and also acts as a deterrent to never to do it again. So the company is technically employed partially as a punishment service to non payers. However, what if that fine isn't a punishment to me ? Two days after I paid it, my multi millionaire friend, stuck the money back in my account. So, technically, as a punishment service, it failed. I lost nothing, it didn't punish me from that angle, and it wasn't a deterrent as I'm an honest guy and had always bought a carpark ticket before, and will always plan to afterwards. It was just this one time I didn't , so I don't need the lesson in paying for my tickets. So on that front it failed as well. Which leaves the questions, who gained and who lost out ? The carpark company obviously gained £120, but for what ? The fine didn't serve its purpose , as it made no impact at all. Which technically kind of makes it theft. The only people who loose out are the nature reserve, because as A type of 'fuck you' I'm no longer gonna use their carpark until I feel to . I'll park in the village outside. So after all that, the carpark looses my custom, I've lost nothing because my friend stuck the money back in my account, and the carpark company gained £120 ...for providing a failed service.
There's a 2015 court case called Parkingeye v Beavis where this question was discussed. The charge of £100 was found not to be an unenforceable penalty unfortunately. This is authorised robbery. Parking Eye made £6.8 million profit in 2012 on a business model based solely on driver's inadvertently exceeding a free parking limit. You ask who benefits - it is them, but the court said that the site owner had an interest in managing the car park for the benefit of their customers so on that basis it was not considered a penalty.
Parking eye fined me years ago. Not only did I stop using them,but I was directly involved in getting them removed as parking enforcers of our office car parks. Cost them thousands. Be careful who you cross!😂
They gave my 84 year old dad a parking ticket for parking in the Disabled bay at the local Tesco Extra, The Disabled badge fell off the dash when he closed the door and did not realise. I emailed a photo of the Disabled Badge to the company who issued the ticket and explained what had happened only to be told we still have to pay. Now 4 years later we have received a County Court Business Centre Claim form.
I have a one more question when you’re answering it online. Is it full defence or part defence way to go? I don’t want to be on the debt register either way but don’t want to let these goons get away with it. I want to fill out the claim but I’m stuck as I’m not a lawyer, my point it’s mechanical failure which I can prove, and no signed delivery of letters therefore no prof of communication with me. Anyway down to the point, defence or part admission ??
I can't advise you as I'm not a lawyer, but for me, I went full defence. My case was that the signage was so poor, I wasn't aware that it was pay and display, and I won. However, if you had mechanical issues and you were aware that you're in a pay and display, then that may be different. Sorry, I can't advise you anything beyond that, but I wish you good luck. We do need to show that these people are nothing more than crooks, though, that are just preying on people and trying to bully them into paying ridiculous fines. If you create your defence, there still maybe a chance they pull out though, so I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Keep us all informed.
No I won the case! I think I mention it in 1 of the replies but for your sake I'll give you the details just incase. Basically these crooks didn't have any clear entry, so even though they had lots and lots and lots of these a4 sized signs on 8foot posts, there wasn't an actual sign in a clear legible format to say I was entering a pay and display car park. If you look up hartlepool marina you can see they have now put up a new sign which still isnt that obvious bit its better than before. That alone got it thrown out straight away. There maybe instances where these car parks win, and maybe they are legitimate and fair car parks, but we shouldn't just roll over when these crooks try and con us. I can spot so many ways they tried to trick people into thinking they weren't in a pay and display car park but many people just pay without putting up a fight. I fought them and I won!!! I did plan on doing a video but I'm not a fan a making them.
@@thefunkstarking Cheers man, very much appreciated, will go to through the comments now to get more information. We're all here for the same reason. Thanks for posting. Take care and good luck with your projects 🙏
@TripVinz cheers chum and good luck! I've no problem with paying for legitimate honest car parks, but when they blatantly try to trick you by trying to get you to park there without a ticket, we need to fight back! I'll maybe try and make a video soon!
i have had a ccj added to my credit file and its caused my house purchase to collapse. They had the wrong address i was fined for parking at a nhs blood centre and not registering my car. £293 for attending a nhs appointment, my address is 5 years out of date. i had no correspodance i only saw it due to mortgage company pulling my mortgage offer. This are scamming buggers and my score has plummetted and ive lost my dream house
You have a valid claim here as under bill of rights 1689 the only authority that can issue a CCJ is a judge and as you havent been given the opportunity to defend, this is FRAUD.
@@thefunkstarking well that’s my response, what do you think : [Your Full Name] [Your Address] [City, Postal Code] [Email Address] [Date] [Northampton Local Court Name] [Address] [City, Postal Code] Subject: Parking Fine Appeal - Reference [Your Reference Number] Dear Sir/Madam, I trust this letter finds you well. I am writing to present my appeal against the parking fine issued to me, as referenced above. Upon receiving the initial letter, I observed that the provided photos lacked visibility of my vehicle's registration number. In response, I promptly submitted a letter via post, explicitly requesting evidence containing the registration number of my vehicle. Unfortunately, I received no response from the parking company until the recent court letter. Crucially, I have not received any letters requiring my signature, and, to my knowledge, no correspondence has been delivered to my address since my initial inquiry. This is especially concerning given the recent developments. On 12th November 2023, Ofcom fined Royal Mail £5.6 million for failing to meet its First and Second Class delivery targets in the 2022/23 financial year. This situation could significantly impact the timely delivery of important business letters, adding another layer of complexity to the mitigating circumstances surrounding my case. I wish to express my willingness to pay for a two-hour parking session at £4 per hour, even though my car spent only 10 minutes in the parking area. To accommodate the claimant, I am also willing to add 8% on top of the offered rate. I must highlight that, upon entering the car park under mechanical failure conditions, I do not recall agreeing to any contractual terms, and the fine imposed appears disproportionate. Therefore, I kindly request a detailed breakdown of the costs to represent the loss of business due to my car being in the car park. Additionally, I recall leaving the premises promptly after an employee approached me about my vehicle being parked there. This occurred at 9:10 AM, as I had spent only 10 minutes at the location. I left immediately after explaining the mechanical failure situation to the employee. I presumed any subsequent fine was issued in error, perhaps for another white vehicle, as I am not the sole owner of such a vehicle in the UK. Moreover, I would like to address the inconvenience of the court being in Northampton while I reside in Slough, and the contravention took place in Hemel Hempstead. If a hearing is necessary, I propose conducting it in either Slough or Hemel Hempstead for practicality. In conclusion, I hope for a thorough review of my case, taking into consideration the lack of communication, absence of evidence containing my vehicle's registration number, mitigating circumstances mentioned above, and the urgent mechanical situation that warranted my immediate attention. I am hopeful that we can resolve this matter amicably and avoid further legal proceedings. Your understanding and cooperation are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerely, [Your Full Name] [Your Signature] (if sending a physical letter)
HELLO KAREN! you're never too late for my party! So I won my case! Basically, these crooks tried to make it look like they had put signs all over the place, but in actual fact, it wasn't good enough! They failed to put a nice big sign at the entrance stating it was pay and display! That was their main downfall. They had many tactics on display, showing that their sole purpose was to lure people into the park without a ticket, but its hard to really prove that. Ultimately, though, it shows that these criminals will threaten and sometimes go to court, but we need to fight cos if its an unfair ticket, then we can't let them get away with it! Keep fighting for freedom, Karen!!!! Im with you all the way!!!
@@thefunkstarking Its a council letter. I Had 2 from the council for a broken down car. I took them through to an adjudicator and I won the decision so the tickets got cancelled. This is for parking outside my own house on the street. Permit ran out the day after the car was deemed unfit to drive
@@thefunkstarking The other 2 I have to face are for a rental car I was using. It's impossible to get a permit for a rental car. No alternative places to park so I was set up to fail
@FrancisXGomes so what are you suggesting I just pay them without producing any evidence???? I've asked for evidence and made an offer on receiving this and I've not heard anything for 4 month so what are you suggesting I do???
You should claim you werent the driver as the reg keeper isnt always the driver and data protection act 1998 prohibits you from providing driver ID, thats for rhe prosecution to prove and under bill of rights 1689, the keeper cant be charged for an offence committed by another party. EASY
Hi donnatella! So the first letter I got from the NCCBC was around 16th of Aug, I gave my defense and I received confirmation around the 20th of Aug. I then received a letter around the 17th saying they intend on going to court and they attached the their court questionnaire which I had to respond to within 7 days if I wanted to agree a settlement. At that point I rang them to say I would pay them 2 hours parking charge but they were to busy to answer. Then around the 1st of October I received my court questionnaire. Along with the questionnaire I sent a letter stating I'd never received any notification that I owed parking fines, however once I receive proof I will happily pay 2 hours parking fees with 8% compound interest. I've made a fair offer in my mind atleast! I then stated if that is not accepted I request a breakdown of all the charges and that I would happily go to court. I've not heard anything since. As you can see from the dates I've stated they were very quick to respond before and now I've heard nothing. Its my belief that they just tried to push me to the point where legal action was all they could do so they backed down. I cant guarantee this will be the same for you but I truly believe they are trying to frighten people into paying because there is no way they can justify the charges they attempted to put in people. I wish you all the luck in the world and please keep me I formed on whatever you do!
Mine was 5 years ago. I think they have 6 years so again I think they just send out what they can in the hope that they scare them into paying. If you have success let's get the word out there!!!
Good evening Richard Me and my girlfriend have a similar problem with the vehicle control services in Sheffield and we decided to do a defence but we find difficult to formulate 1. Could you show us how you did yours so we can adapt it? Thank you for your help
Sorry for this late reply. I did actually end up going to court against these criminals and I won. I will make a video ASAP on my actual case and I'll tell you what I have learnt
@@thefunkstarking Hi Richard, I have replied to a court claim in the hope of the charge being dismissed. If you don't mind me asking, was the court case heard in your home town? Thanks for sharing your experience
@@Sp-mf6eq hi sp@ thanks for your message. So when I received the court questionnaire, for the question asking about court preference, I put it should be in my home court as that was where the supposed offence took place. Vehicle Control Services, who are the crooks who took me to court wanted it in Runcorn when I was in Middlesbrough. I will try and get a video up by the end of the week detailing everything about the case. But in answer to your question yes I managed to win that little battle aswel and it was held in my home court!
If you receive correspondence from this Bulking Centre at Northampton, just IGNORE . Do nothing, dont appeal, if you appeal you have admitted guilt. If you ignore, they have no power to do anything. Dont contact them at all. I can paper my walls with these fines over 15 years, for myself and others and have NEVER paid once.
If anyone ever happens on this video in the future and reads the above post then please completely ignore the absolute rubbish that you've just read. Ignoring a court claim form will result in a CCJ on your credit file, end of.
@@Latbirget Who will receive a CCJ without evidence of the driver as we have established that the registered keeper cant be charged for an offence comitted by another under bill of rights 1689 and under data protection act 1998 the registered keeper has no obligation ti disclose the driver and this is for the prosecution to prove , so how will they do that ?
@@chrisrainbow2393 The private car park companies can proceed against individuals under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and they get the address of the registered keeper from DVLA. If the registered keeper doesn't disclose the driver then the registered keeper is liable. They have a slam dunk case and can enter CCJ - one of the commenters below says he got a CCJ against him. I wouldn't advise people to ignore, they should respond and go to court if they didn't see the signs saying they would be charged for parking. You are lucky if you have been able to ignore them for 15 years, I and lots of others are not so lucky. I am confident enough to defend it myself but a lot of people aren't and just pay up, or they don't have the time to go to court which is also understandable. It is daylight robbery but people do need to respond to t hem.
@@Latbirget No they cant and i have been fighting these bogus Private Car Parking Charges both for myself and others for 15 years and have never had to pay one and have driven two companies out of my area by the points i have made. Now i dont know which company you are representing but i ask you this...Are you talking court de jure or court de facto ? as you seem to be confusing the two and if you knew anything about law you will know that you cant confuse the two and i look forward to your reply as i am expert in destroying people like you so be warned. There is no law to say you must answer their letters or your door to them and your registration document says on the very first line that " THIS IS NOT PROOF OF OWERSHIP " and i blind man can register a car but obviously he cant drive it, so are you suggesting he can be prosecuted ? Let me point out Bill of Rights 1689 " NO CITIZEN CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR AN OFFENCE COMMITTED BY ANOTHER " Oh and of course we have Data Protection Act 1998 which states that the Registered Keeper has no obligation to provide details of who was driving ", the evidence then falls to the prosecution to prove and how can they do this without you telling them ? Furthermore, please be aware that continued harassment of the registered keeper who may not be the driver is itself a criminal act and will be deemed very serious in a court of law, especially if the registerd keeper does happen to be blind for example in which case the prosecution are going to look pretty stupid arent they ? So please put your brain in gear before setting your mouth or finger into motion as i will wipe the floor with you in court as i have many times.
This is what happens when people break the terms and conditions of the car park found on the signs placed near the ticket machine and elsewhere. Obviously most people don't bother to read the conditions and when caught out scream innocence, often without good reason. People, just read the frikking conditions and follow them. It'll save you a whole lot of bother in the long run. More often than not the parking companies don't wrong you, you wrong yourselves.
Yeah and that's why the thieving criminals lost their case against me! Inadequate signage! Signage that is practically unreadable! Signage that isn't there that should be there like an entry sign that is clear to see and read! I see these types of car parks all over the place that are designed to catch people out because its way more lucrative to charge someone for not having a ticket! Council car parks are a different story but privately owed car parks are just out to trick people! The judge in my case literally threw the case out straight away because there was no entry board, just lots of little signs that you could easily miss and impossible to read! But yeah you keep on supporting company's like vehicle control services!
@@thefunkstarking I've been caught out by these guys in the past and although I had issues with it at the time I was well aware of my mistake, a bit pissed off though. Thankfully today most decent car park operators are well aware of this and now put in place clear visible signage so as not to catch out honest folk such as yourself looking for somewhere to pay and display, and it now works a treat. Unlike barrier car parks which require no attendants, pay and display car parks rely on trust and It's a system that is regularly abused. So car park attendants patrol them and stop those who are happy to take a chance and abuse that trust. Fortunately most folk are good as gold and play by the rules. It's the wrong'uns that make carpark patrols necessary. And that's why sometimes the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.
@@antman5474 you don't sound as bad as I first thought!!!! No this isn't about just trying to get away without paying for parking. Paying to park has its reason, not only is it a business but it keeps it fair for the customer. What I am trying to combat is the parking companies who are blatantly out to try and catch people out by poorly displaying that it's a pay and display. For instance like I mentioned, the car park I was in had no entry board clearly stating it was a pay and display, the signs you pass are very high up and written in very small lettering. This is completely different to council owned car parks! Then I believe they put other tactics in to increase the amount of people without tickets, such as allowing your first 30 min to be free, however if they catch you there for a minute longer they issue you with a £100 fine! Why be so generous only to punish so harshly! That's 200x the cost of the 1 hour stay! What do you think they would prefer? They also removed parking meters from their original plans on the entrance in to the car park, so they even made it hard to see or find the parking meters. These are the kind of car parks I've got issues with because they clearly want people to park there so they can charge a ridiculous amount of money. Anyway you sound like a decent chap so I'm sure we are on the page as me anyway.
@@thefunkstarking Cheers bud. Most private car park companies are ex wheel clamping firms, clamping was outlawed 10 years ago and the industry was heavily regulated which put a lot of the rouges out of business. But it's like the old saying goes I guess. A leopard can't change its spots. Good luck with your fight though 👍
I see all the comments where these PCN's have caused people utter misery. Direct action is what is needed, cover the camera's, block the car park. The directors of these companies can be found as can the real offices. I am planning on getting some stickers made that can be used to cover the camera lens and the signs to sell to like minded people that have had enough.
Thank you for the video Richard.
I am having similar situation with NPM taking me to court, they are sending seperate claims instead of putting all the tickets in 1 claim.
I have to go to hearing next month, and another God knows when... They are demanding £1,200 for 5 tickets because I was parked for roughly 5 minutes on all occassions due to my work (delivery driver).
Sick and tired of these scammers asking for outrageous money, and constantly harassing working people. The government needs to put a stop to this!!!
I have smart parking harassing me for £170 went as far as tracing me to my new address 😮😮😮
@@paul_my_plumbs_uk as someone who's been batting these away. Never ignore the letters (in my opinion) ask for the signed contract between you, and verification of the debt in the form of the full accounting and deed of novation (for the transferring of debt). Read their letters carefully, they'll usually trip themselves up. If they keep ignoring, keep asking for proof. Once you get to 2 or 3 letters and they still ignore the proof. Let them know about the protection from harrassment act and the Administration of Justice Act 1970 section 40. If they send you even a ingle letter demanding or threatening after this then that should be enough cause of action and breach of duty to sue!. All the best!
Well done fella for standing your ground against these robbing b******s. And I hope your succeed in your case.
The worst ones are in hospitals. Honestly, these parking companies have no morals.
I think they were pushed through during Blair's time in government.
It's disgusting that these companies even exist, let alone have the audacity to charge these horrendous amounts.
Thank you Richard for posting this, very useful and I totally agree that these tactics are disgusting. I received one of these County Court Business Centre docs yesterday for a parking overstay 6/1/22 which was for £60 when I tried to pay it online within the 14 days before the discount rate expired the UKPC website only had £100 option available for me to pay. I took a screen print ,showing the date etc so glad I did now) I did try to call them, long story where they asked me to send in the proof, when I did that, they sent a response, we will respond within 35 days (took a screen print of that too) and next time I called them I was told it was now to late to appeal and my fine now £160 and gone to debt collectors. Lots of letters and phone calls made by me, the collectors actually every aggressive, I did give up calling them around 6/2022 & the debt pay now letters continued and now I have this Court Claim. I will try and some legal advice I think as if I acknowledge or file defense to what feels like a bogus set up I may incriminate myself into this farce which may have some legal standing. Very sad for 15mins overstay on a really cold and icy day where it took longer to walk carefully back to my car, in a car park in Reading (not my home town) where(I found out) this car park is notorious for these kind of stitch ups and scare tactics.
Thank you, Richard!
They did not show up in the court, scammers 🎉😂
I won!!!
Thank you very much!!!
GET IN!!!! Well done for standing up to these criminals! If you are in the right, then you have to fight and it paid off!!!!!
Make sure you treat yourself to something nice with the money they tried to steal from you!!!
It should be your nearest County court not Magistrates as any financial disagreements are settled in County court
They ain’t actually solicitors. They are the so called legal dept of the debt collection company
Spot on, its FRAUD.
They have no powers they rely on people's ignorance and fear. I stopped paying council tax fifteen years ago. It's all a scam, read up on our English Constitution.
Thanks for an honest video mate and the possibility of it not happening/ being pursued further according to your experience.
Conditional acceptance process wins this for you every time.
The BIGGEST MISTAKE people make when challenging parking tickets is not checking for ERRORS made by the parking company. If they dont issue a parking charge correctly, or have proper signage or follow the regulations, you can win your case at appeal or court stage. Parking Mate UK can help you appeal tickets easily.
CNBC is a processing centre, BUT you have to file a defence, N180 form and witness statement for the case to be decided at a hearing.
So received my letter from Northampton Business Centre yesterday for an alleged parking offence in July 2016. They are trying to claim £508 + £140 court costs.
I’ve completed my defence statement online today so we’ll see how it goes. Will post progress on here so together we can hopefully beat these criminals
Can you please give me a template of what to say?
STICK TO YOUR GUNS FIND OUT WHO EXACTLY HAS BEEN TO THE COURT AND GO AFTER THEM, you will probably find you dont get an answer, cause they will be liable to prove you owe the bill which you dont or it would be in a proper court not a business centre .
Equity Courts only Queens bench which should now have turned back to Kings bench.
chancery courts these are the only courts which deals with the man/woman not the fiction person your Mr man/woman name. thats where you will get the WIN.
How did you get on?
@@FireBlade9773 I have my court case at the end of February 2023. When it’s over I’ll post my experience 👍🏻
@@martinp6670 thanks Martin, and best of luck to you. These bullying b's are an affront to justice.
Congratulations for you win.
I've just got a ccj just seen on my credit report think it's for parking in the hospital I was having scans done and drove my self in . I don't no what to do about it😢
Same happened to my brother he had to leave his car on the hospital car park due to a visit to A&E then had an emergency admission it was there for a week I asked the ward clerk to speak to the parking office she did so and gave the date of his discharge when he could go and remove the car they didn't charge or fine him
I entered a car park that was apparently shut till the business opened at 11, I parked there around 9,30 ish, there was no one in the car park, the car park is free, and didn't cause any financial loss to the company involved by taking up a car park space, I was only there about 30 minutes, and the place was still shut when I left, but got clocked by anpr camera thing, and now getting took to county court for it!!!
My journey for this has just started, I in tend on going the exact same route as this, they are crooks stealing from the public with fear and we shouldn’t stand for it.
Good luck - I am in court next month defending one.
How did you get on? @@Latbirget
*It's not an administrative centre. It's and ONLINE EXTENSION of COUNTY COURT. You must file via defence pack. Parking tickets are contestable but CCJs must be avoided as they go against your name and credit file.*
dont need credit ~~~all money off shore
I have heard staff there state they are not connected with the County Court. This centre is breaking the law. It clearly states in Halsbury's Law that admin law is unLawful in England and Wales. No one can fine us unless we have stood in a Court of Law and are found guilty by a jury of our peers as clearly written in our English Constitution.
@@samrowbotham8914
good job they're not fining anybody then eh!
I live in London and got a Warrant of Control - unpaid penalty charge from Northampton County Court Business Centre for driving in the London ULEZ just off the north circular road. There seems to be something very wrong going on. What has Northampton got to do with driving in London and surely only a judge can sign and issue a warrant.
No judge will sign a warrant of control for a civil matter. An unsigned warrant has no validity.
I’ve had a fine for parking in my own car park space (allocated to my apartment) because I didn’t show the valid permit in the windscreen.
The afternoon before the fine was issued, I received my first covid jab (proof of this from the NHS) the jab caused me to feel nauseous, tired, out of breath and putting the permit on my car was the last thing on my mind…
ZZPS keep sending me threatening letters, adding fees to the charge and claiming to take me to court. I’ve fought back stating the car space was my own, I haven’t done anything illegal or criminal. The signage states that parking is allowed by two means;
1) A valid parking permit (to be visible in windscreen)
2) pre-authorised vehicles
So why isn’t a system in place to register the cars of the residents whom live in the apartment complex!?
I had live in the apartment nearly two years before Parking Solutions Ltd have put in the place the parking rules etc and in my tenancy contact is does not state that a permit is needed to use the allocated parking space provided.
Please advise anyone? Am I doing the right thing by sticking to the militant approach? Am I in wrong?
I cant tell you what to do I can only speak on my own experiences but I've also had similar. At some apartments where I was living they constantly issued parking tickets knowing I lived there and sent me threatening letters. I actually amassed over £2000 worth and they have disappeared. For me if I was ever threatened with court I'd go just so I could have my say on these corrupt parking companies who think they can threaten and scare people into paying riduculas fines
@@thefunkstarking thank you for replying, I’ve called them today and told them to stop sending letters and adding charges and just set a court date and we will settle it there.. they wasn’t sure on how to respond to that 😅
Well I wish you luck!! Hopefully you won't hear from them again. Please keep me informed
Have a look at this video
ruclips.net/video/XpudMOKLV58/видео.html
It's about private parking tickets, but they have videos about council parking as well
How have you got on? Did they give you a means to pre-authorise your vehicle? They should retrospectively authorise you if it's your parking space. I'm guessing they left you alone. I can see the Daily Mail headline of a resident being sued for parking in his own space.
thanks mate. I'm in Northampton. they're absolute tossers!
I've combatted the council on this many times
I am at present about to prepare a defense with EL, basically because I didn't input car reg attending zumba in 2020, where I have been going for years. Wasn't aware of new system until a friend told me. She also received a PCN and wrote to CEL, she was told to pay £20. I appealed and was rejected. I am so annoyed as was allowed to park there, just didn't input car reg details in keypad, which was at the back of reception. Don't need this stress but going to fight, such bullies. They put on court form I broke the contract and never got a permit , I didn't need a permit, I didn't input car reg. If anyone has any tips gor defense would be appreciated.
Good luck my hearing is next month. I would be interested in hearing about your case. They said that all reasonable people should know when they enter the car park that there will be charges but I don't think that is the case. Basically I would like to hear from people that say they didn't notice the signs and were unaware there would be a fine after a period of free parking. Were the signs prominent enough?
Hi Richard, I sold a car, had a parking ticket as the car wasn't transferred as yet. I had a court notice, and I was covid positive at that time and couldn't respond in time, when I sent a defence but the hearing was done. I was already charged as a CCJ is registered under my name. I paid £350 thinking this is a court order, and I can't do anything. Can I get my CCJ removed, I can't get a mortgage it has made life a lot more difficult.
Is there anything I can do?
Perhaps a look at the bottom of the paperwork will yield a clue.
If its from a company, it is a requirement that under s44 of the companies act 2004, a signature is required from the director or secretary. As these letters have none, this becomes fraud.
A complaint to the insolvency service regards abuse of corporate power might help.
Also, a dsar as to whether they had your permission to store, prcoess your data etc.
I wanted to go to court. The company lied on my particulars of claim and I have good photographic evidence that the company did not follow the BPA guidance. I have about 15 pages in my defence. We had a court date and the judge ordered the parking company provide photographs. When I sent my defence to the court (including witness statement), and copied in the parking company's legal team, they replied to me to sate that they had been instructed us to discontinue Court proceedings and close their file. It's over. I won. I quoted Bowen in my defence.
Hi Richard. I am in a similar situation with the same company. I pulled over for 11 minutes on a double yellow line in Stanstead Airport in 2018! I had not received any information about this as the V5C was at another address. I have sent a defence back stating what happened. Did you hear back from them after this video was posted? Thanks, Matt
if you haven't paid it after 4 years have elapsed it's null & void. apparently, remember reading something about it a while ago. recieved one from Northampton County Court on 06/06/2022 => 666 what a surprise..
The limitation period is six years. If the parking company has not brought a case against you before six years is up, it will be too late; they will be unable to force the debt. Once you have a CCJ, technically there is no limitation period. However, if the parking company has not enforced collection in the first six years of the CCJ, then things get a bit murky. The CCJ will drop from your credit record. The parking company will need to seek leave of the court to enforce the debt but they will be required to answer why they have not enforced the debt thus far. It is unlikely leave will be granted unless there are compelling reasons such as they were unable to find you. If you have lived at the same address all the time, they're scuppered. It's a grey area and there needs to be a test case.
Hi, I just checked your channel for the follow up but there's only two videos. I just received a CCJ notice from the same company you did but in Glasgow yet I have zero clue what it's for! They didn't mention any name of client just the cost: £331. I've never had a parking ticket in years and, if I have before that, I've paid them!
Hi mark. Ive had same letter. I think im gonna do same. Accept to go court but make offer on grounds £300 excessive. Mine is for 25mins. Its a joke. Ive always had letters ive ignored for other offences but this the first time ive had ccj. I think its more scare tactics. Do not pay
@@adamlloyd3526 I've contacted my MP and first. he came back saying he'd speak to them for me and then, this evening, he sends me a mail asking if I have sought legal advice. I've already. told him I believe. it is legalised extortion. I recorded my conversation with them and they refused, on being asked "Who owns the debt" about 6 times in succession, to tell me. That is very telling and I have mentioned this to my MP. They are holding back pertinent information and that is a sign of "unclean hands" in law terms. If they have bought the debt then I have no contract with them and they know it. However, my MP will not, under any circumstances tell me this is what. they are doing because it, effectively, is State sanctioned. It's conning and scamming the public while the legal system is enabling. it.
@@markwelsh9068 have you tried doing a data request? Ive heard that is the first step todo
@@adamlloyd3526 I see it's already on my credit score.
Private parking claims? Treat any as a speculative invoice and don't pay it.
Hey I am receiving similar threats from these criminals.
Could you please make that video about how you won the court case?
And congratulations for winning against them :)
Hey polarcap thanks for messaging. Yes I plan on going through the case sometime over the next couple of days.
T the more I read about these companies, the more annoyed I get. I understand it’s very risky business to take these companies on, however, there is one sure way that these companies can be held to account, and that is a public uprising towards the government who are allowing these companies not only to rip off, but intimidate the motorist for the most simplest of mistakes. If everyone, who ever received a parking ticket wrote to their MP, then I’m sure that there would be enough people to force the government hand. severely regulate this crooked industry.
You still lose at the end of the day because you’ve then got to take time off work to attend court, then the stress of mounting your defence and waiting for a decision, loss of earnings all over parking a car. That system needs total reform. These debt companies should be capped at a maximum of treble the original fine.And told that they can’t levy on a persons property over a parking ticket or access their property without permission nor clamp vehicles. As a debt collection company all they should be doing is encouraging debtors to pay the balance offering payment plans.
Yeah, I agree. This isn't about trying to get away with paying parking tickets or fines. It's about fairness. Paying for parking has a purpose, and fines are a way to control it, but these crooks are taking it too far. I see no issue with charging people a full days parking and maybe a small surcharge. When you're talking £100 fine because a 50p parking ticket isn't purchased, to me, it's obvious what their tactics are. It's way more in their interest for people to not buy a ticket and that's where the tactics come in with the poor signage, poor positioning of pay machines and even free parking for short periods of time! It may seem like a bonus getting a free 15 or 30 minutes, but it's a sure fire way to increase the amount of people parking without a ticket in the hope they go over the free time! It's gets me annoyed!!!
Companies all use CCBC as it's a rubber stamping system if you ask CCBC a question you may never get an answer. Anyone can use them though as this is what keeps the lawyers, barristers, and solicitors in the job. ! where else can you earn 1000 per day? block your number plate in a private car park! nowt they can do as the whole system is built mainly on anpr
Hi Richard im going threw same iv wrote back and told them i will go to my own court were i live they trying to slap parking fine on me not even the mentioned company and they said i park a min walk from my home waiting for reply thanks for advise
Good luck, I'm doing the same. My hearing is next month in my local court and the parking company said they are attending by a lawyer.
@@Latbirget They always say that to scare you into settling with them, …but they also have to pay the court fees 2 weeks before the hearing. That’s when they decide to drop the case, as the court fees and paying a solicitor will be a lot more than they can legally gain from you if the decision goes against you.
I’ve just had one of these county court business letters for parking in magor services in wales. It was 2am in the morning ffs. I was tired never left my car and they want £272. They can piss off!
Did they register a ccj against you?
Hey what happened. Did you win? Did you settle?
@@shanerainey6513 yes
THis is exactly what happened in my case, parked in a services at night in an empty car park to sleep, unaware that there were restrictions! What has happened in your case, did they enter judgment in default? Did you defend the claim?
Same. With civil enforcement. For allegedly overstaying at a co-op car park during 2020 lockdown. Where limited people could enter a store plus social distancing. Think the car park only allowed 20mins. Ridiculous
I received a " summons " from this " bulking centre " some years ago and i wanted proof of claim, so after phoning Northampton Magistrate court ( the real court ) to enquire whether there was any warrant in my name , i was told there wasnt, so i reposted their summons, no stamp with a note to say that " i dont recognise this courts authority " and i have heard no more......If this court was genuine, my feet wouldnt have touched.
Beware of these private parking fines, they are bogus and note, council tax claims , TV LICENCE claims are held here too and i pay neither.
Bulking centres are NOT real court. They are rooms hired out and dressed as HM COURT with official looking letter heads which you should IGNORE , These courts are court de facto and real courts are court de jure and court de facto is FRAUD.
Fraud is a very serious criminal act , far more serious than your parking fine and you do have grounds to counter claim.
Now is the time to wake up to this scam .
Oh and despite the comment by @stu2418 there are currently NO CCJs on my file and i have been fighting these fraudsters for myself and others for a decade.
Hi... Great vid... ive got the same stress with harringay council... driving down a road during restricted time... Northampton place as well.... total farse... evil gits. Now up to 480 from 60. Lol?
Hi....... Have my hearing this week at Northampton Bussiness centre, my parner pulled over in a car park in Luton to answer her phone, at 2.00 in the morning as the regestered keeper they have sent us the fine £185, and have claimed that because of poor light the signage was not clear when entering the site..I have not given her details to parking eye...
Well good luck and keep us informed. These criminals will win cases, but we shouldn't be afraid to fight them if we know we are in the right. We can't keep giving in to their scare tactics of mounting fines. Have you submitted images of the signs during the night and was there clear signage at the entrance of the car park?
Hi ...... Have been back to the site and takin images of entrance, has anyone hear of a LUX Report ....@@thefunkstarking
Parking company didnt turn up to the meeting...cancelled last minute
Excellent! That says it all!! They threaten people with ridiculous fines in order to scare them, and I think when push comes to shove, they back down when you fight back! So what is happening now?
I have dealt with these scumbags before and received the same responses. I also sent dcbl a dsar and they told me they don't have the details of the claim and therefore no proof of claim. I've not heard nothing for 6 months since sending my directions questionnaire. The claim has been stayed once already.😅😅😅😅😅😅
Rule no 1 A closed trap catches no flies. In other words no correspondence whatsoever . Rule no 2 dept collection agency's tell lies. Simples thank me later 😅
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Please can you help and give me a template please. I’m really stressed
I've got a question. I had a £120 carparking fine from Park With Eaze for not paying for a ticket at a local nature reserve.
Now, the idea of parking fines is a punishment by financial loss, and also acts as a deterrent to never to do it again.
So the company is technically employed partially as a punishment service to non payers. However, what if that fine isn't a punishment to me ? Two days after I paid it, my multi millionaire friend, stuck the money back in my account.
So, technically, as a punishment service, it failed. I lost nothing, it didn't punish me from that angle, and it wasn't a deterrent as I'm an honest guy and had always bought a carpark ticket before, and will always plan to afterwards. It was just this one time I didn't , so I don't need the lesson in paying for my tickets. So on that front it failed as well.
Which leaves the questions, who gained and who lost out ? The carpark company obviously gained £120, but for what ? The fine didn't serve its purpose , as it made no impact at all. Which technically kind of makes it theft. The only people who loose out are the nature reserve, because as A type of 'fuck you' I'm no longer gonna use their carpark until I feel to . I'll park in the village outside.
So after all that, the carpark looses my custom, I've lost nothing because my friend stuck the money back in my account, and the carpark company gained £120 ...for providing a failed service.
There's a 2015 court case called Parkingeye v Beavis where this question was discussed. The charge of £100 was found not to be an unenforceable penalty unfortunately. This is authorised robbery. Parking Eye made £6.8 million profit in 2012 on a business model based solely on driver's inadvertently exceeding a free parking limit. You ask who benefits - it is them, but the court said that the site owner had an interest in managing the car park for the benefit of their customers so on that basis it was not considered a penalty.
Parking eye fined me years ago.
Not only did I stop using them,but I was directly involved in getting them removed as parking enforcers of our office car parks.
Cost them thousands.
Be careful who you cross!😂
They gave my 84 year old dad a parking ticket for parking in the Disabled bay at the local Tesco Extra, The Disabled badge fell off the dash when he closed the door and did not realise. I emailed a photo of the Disabled Badge to the company who issued the ticket and explained what had happened only to be told we still have to pay. Now 4 years later we have received a County Court Business Centre Claim form.
I have a one more question when you’re answering it online. Is it full defence or part defence way to go? I don’t want to be on the debt register either way but don’t want to let these goons get away with it. I want to fill out the claim but I’m stuck as I’m not a lawyer, my point it’s mechanical failure which I can prove, and no signed delivery of letters therefore no prof of communication with me. Anyway down to the point, defence or part admission ??
I can't advise you as I'm not a lawyer, but for me, I went full defence. My case was that the signage was so poor, I wasn't aware that it was pay and display, and I won. However, if you had mechanical issues and you were aware that you're in a pay and display, then that may be different. Sorry, I can't advise you anything beyond that, but I wish you good luck. We do need to show that these people are nothing more than crooks, though, that are just preying on people and trying to bully them into paying ridiculous fines. If you create your defence, there still maybe a chance they pull out though, so I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. Keep us all informed.
You didn't say a word about the Court hearing or posted anything else. Did you loose the case and paid all the money, isn't it?
No I won the case! I think I mention it in 1 of the replies but for your sake I'll give you the details just incase. Basically these crooks didn't have any clear entry, so even though they had lots and lots and lots of these a4 sized signs on 8foot posts, there wasn't an actual sign in a clear legible format to say I was entering a pay and display car park. If you look up hartlepool marina you can see they have now put up a new sign which still isnt that obvious bit its better than before. That alone got it thrown out straight away. There maybe instances where these car parks win, and maybe they are legitimate and fair car parks, but we shouldn't just roll over when these crooks try and con us. I can spot so many ways they tried to trick people into thinking they weren't in a pay and display car park but many people just pay without putting up a fight. I fought them and I won!!! I did plan on doing a video but I'm not a fan a making them.
@@thefunkstarking Cheers man, very much appreciated, will go to through the comments now to get more information. We're all here for the same reason. Thanks for posting. Take care and good luck with your projects 🙏
@TripVinz cheers chum and good luck! I've no problem with paying for legitimate honest car parks, but when they blatantly try to trick you by trying to get you to park there without a ticket, we need to fight back! I'll maybe try and make a video soon!
Did you have to pay to appeal your case in court I've been given a private parking fine I was parked for 1 min
I also had fine from my place of work got scared as i was slapped with ccg
Seems everyone has had a ccj this week
i have had a ccj added to my credit file and its caused my house purchase to collapse. They had the wrong address i was fined for parking at a nhs blood centre and not registering my car. £293 for attending a nhs appointment, my address is 5 years out of date. i had no correspodance i only saw it due to mortgage company pulling my mortgage offer. This are scamming buggers and my score has plummetted and ive lost my dream house
You have a valid claim here as under bill of rights 1689 the only authority that can issue a CCJ is a judge and as you havent been given the opportunity to defend, this is FRAUD.
Not 100% sure of the time limit on the parking fine ,but five years .isn't that stat you barred!!!.
7 Years
Im on the fight with these goons, thank you for video. I might release mine soon as a outcome
Well good look! Keep us all informed!!!
@@thefunkstarking well that’s my response, what do you think :
[Your Full Name] [Your Address] [City, Postal Code] [Email Address] [Date]
[Northampton Local Court Name] [Address] [City, Postal Code]
Subject: Parking Fine Appeal - Reference [Your Reference Number]
Dear Sir/Madam,
I trust this letter finds you well. I am writing to present my appeal against the parking fine issued to me, as referenced above.
Upon receiving the initial letter, I observed that the provided photos lacked visibility of my vehicle's registration number. In response, I promptly submitted a letter via post, explicitly requesting evidence containing the registration number of my vehicle. Unfortunately, I received no response from the parking company until the recent court letter.
Crucially, I have not received any letters requiring my signature, and, to my knowledge, no correspondence has been delivered to my address since my initial inquiry. This is especially concerning given the recent developments. On 12th November 2023, Ofcom fined Royal Mail £5.6 million for failing to meet its First and Second Class delivery targets in the 2022/23 financial year. This situation could significantly impact the timely delivery of important business letters, adding another layer of complexity to the mitigating circumstances surrounding my case.
I wish to express my willingness to pay for a two-hour parking session at £4 per hour, even though my car spent only 10 minutes in the parking area. To accommodate the claimant, I am also willing to add 8% on top of the offered rate.
I must highlight that, upon entering the car park under mechanical failure conditions, I do not recall agreeing to any contractual terms, and the fine imposed appears disproportionate. Therefore, I kindly request a detailed breakdown of the costs to represent the loss of business due to my car being in the car park.
Additionally, I recall leaving the premises promptly after an employee approached me about my vehicle being parked there. This occurred at 9:10 AM, as I had spent only 10 minutes at the location. I left immediately after explaining the mechanical failure situation to the employee. I presumed any subsequent fine was issued in error, perhaps for another white vehicle, as I am not the sole owner of such a vehicle in the UK.
Moreover, I would like to address the inconvenience of the court being in Northampton while I reside in Slough, and the contravention took place in Hemel Hempstead. If a hearing is necessary, I propose conducting it in either Slough or Hemel Hempstead for practicality.
In conclusion, I hope for a thorough review of my case, taking into consideration the lack of communication, absence of evidence containing my vehicle's registration number, mitigating circumstances mentioned above, and the urgent mechanical situation that warranted my immediate attention.
I am hopeful that we can resolve this matter amicably and avoid further legal proceedings. Your understanding and cooperation are greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
[Your Full Name] [Your Signature] (if sending a physical letter)
I ignored that letter. Now have a CCJ 😢
Did they send balifs
@@HisaLight2mypathno but a ccj was issued
Hi, im late to the party, but what was the outcome? I will fight mine in court if i have too. This is extortion.
HELLO KAREN! you're never too late for my party! So I won my case! Basically, these crooks tried to make it look like they had put signs all over the place, but in actual fact, it wasn't good enough! They failed to put a nice big sign at the entrance stating it was pay and display! That was their main downfall. They had many tactics on display, showing that their sole purpose was to lure people into the park without a ticket, but its hard to really prove that. Ultimately, though, it shows that these criminals will threaten and sometimes go to court, but we need to fight cos if its an unfair ticket, then we can't let them get away with it! Keep fighting for freedom, Karen!!!! Im with you all the way!!!
I've had letters from the council themselves. They threaten bailiffs. Do you think this is to be taken more seriously?
Is it a fine for private parking or council? If its council parking they will have power but if its private parking I think its just idle threats.
@@thefunkstarking Its a council letter. I Had 2 from the council for a broken down car. I took them through to an adjudicator and I won the decision so the tickets got cancelled. This is for parking outside my own house on the street. Permit ran out the day after the car was deemed unfit to drive
@@thefunkstarking The other 2 I have to face are for a rental car I was using. It's impossible to get a permit for a rental car. No alternative places to park so I was set up to fail
@FrancisXGomes so what are you suggesting I just pay them without producing any evidence???? I've asked for evidence and made an offer on receiving this and I've not heard anything for 4 month so what are you suggesting I do???
You should claim you werent the driver as the reg keeper isnt always the driver and data protection act 1998 prohibits you from providing driver ID, thats for rhe prosecution to prove and under bill of rights 1689, the keeper cant be charged for an offence committed by another party. EASY
Hey have you heard any more?
I got one today - first one must a bit bit scared but this is from 2018
Hi donnatella! So the first letter I got from the NCCBC was around 16th of Aug, I gave my defense and I received confirmation around the 20th of Aug. I then received a letter around the 17th saying they intend on going to court and they attached the their court questionnaire which I had to respond to within 7 days if I wanted to agree a settlement. At that point I rang them to say I would pay them 2 hours parking charge but they were to busy to answer. Then around the 1st of October I received my court questionnaire. Along with the questionnaire I sent a letter stating I'd never received any notification that I owed parking fines, however once I receive proof I will happily pay 2 hours parking fees with 8% compound interest. I've made a fair offer in my mind atleast! I then stated if that is not accepted I request a breakdown of all the charges and that I would happily go to court. I've not heard anything since. As you can see from the dates I've stated they were very quick to respond before and now I've heard nothing. Its my belief that they just tried to push me to the point where legal action was all they could do so they backed down. I cant guarantee this will be the same for you but I truly believe they are trying to frighten people into paying because there is no way they can justify the charges they attempted to put in people. I wish you all the luck in the world and please keep me I formed on whatever you do!
@@thefunkstarking thanks my client helped me with form and reply so see what happens! When is yours from again? As mine is nearly 4 years ago now
Mine was 5 years ago. I think they have 6 years so again I think they just send out what they can in the hope that they scare them into paying. If you have success let's get the word out there!!!
Good evening Richard
Me and my girlfriend have a similar problem with the vehicle control services in Sheffield and we decided to do a defence but we find difficult to formulate 1. Could you show us how you did yours so we can adapt it? Thank you for your help
Sorry for this late reply. I did actually end up going to court against these criminals and I won. I will make a video ASAP on my actual case and I'll tell you what I have learnt
@@thefunkstarking Hi Richard, I have replied to a court claim in the hope of the charge being dismissed. If you don't mind me asking, was the court case heard in your home town? Thanks for sharing your experience
@@Sp-mf6eq hi sp@ thanks for your message. So when I received the court questionnaire, for the question asking about court preference, I put it should be in my home court as that was where the supposed offence took place. Vehicle Control Services, who are the crooks who took me to court wanted it in Runcorn when I was in Middlesbrough. I will try and get a video up by the end of the week detailing everything about the case. But in answer to your question yes I managed to win that little battle aswel and it was held in my home court!
@@thefunkstarking please put up your defense video
@@Sp-mf6eq How have you got on? Mine is being heard in my home court next month.
dont answer or dialogue ##~ No police involved here
Just do not involve yourself with these sharletones and chancers, it's all wind and piss.
Its not chris once theyve sent ccj letter. If you ignore they win by default
@@adamlloyd3526 and do what ???? no police ever get involved its a civil matter
If you receive correspondence from this Bulking Centre at Northampton, just IGNORE .
Do nothing, dont appeal, if you appeal you have admitted guilt. If you ignore, they have no power to do anything. Dont contact them at all.
I can paper my walls with these fines over 15 years, for myself and others and have NEVER paid once.
If anyone ever happens on this video in the future and reads the above post then please completely ignore the absolute rubbish that you've just read. Ignoring a court claim form will result in a CCJ on your credit file, end of.
Don't ignore once Northampton Court centre get involved or you could get a CCJ.
@@Latbirget Who will receive a CCJ without evidence of the driver as we have established that the registered keeper cant be charged for an offence comitted by another under bill of rights 1689 and under data protection act 1998 the registered keeper has no obligation ti disclose the driver and this is for the prosecution to prove , so how will they do that ?
@@chrisrainbow2393 The private car park companies can proceed against individuals under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and they get the address of the registered keeper from DVLA. If the registered keeper doesn't disclose the driver then the registered keeper is liable. They have a slam dunk case and can enter CCJ - one of the commenters below says he got a CCJ against him. I wouldn't advise people to ignore, they should respond and go to court if they didn't see the signs saying they would be charged for parking. You are lucky if you have been able to ignore them for 15 years, I and lots of others are not so lucky. I am confident enough to defend it myself but a lot of people aren't and just pay up, or they don't have the time to go to court which is also understandable. It is daylight robbery but people do need to respond to t hem.
@@Latbirget No they cant and i have been fighting these bogus Private Car Parking Charges both for myself and others for 15 years and have never had to pay one and have driven two companies out of my area by the points i have made. Now i dont know which company you are representing but i ask you this...Are you talking court de jure or court de facto ? as you seem to be confusing the two and if you knew anything about law you will know that you cant confuse the two and i look forward to your reply as i am expert in destroying people like you so be warned.
There is no law to say you must answer their letters or your door to them and your registration document says on the very first line that " THIS IS NOT PROOF OF OWERSHIP " and i blind man can register a car but obviously he cant drive it, so are you suggesting he can be prosecuted ?
Let me point out Bill of Rights 1689 " NO CITIZEN CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR AN OFFENCE COMMITTED BY ANOTHER "
Oh and of course we have Data Protection Act 1998 which states that the Registered Keeper has no obligation to provide details of who was driving ", the evidence then falls to the prosecution to prove and how can they do this without you telling them ?
Furthermore, please be aware that continued harassment of the registered keeper who may not be the driver is itself a criminal act and will be deemed very serious in a court of law, especially if the registerd keeper does happen to be blind for example in which case the prosecution are going to look pretty stupid arent they ?
So please put your brain in gear before setting your mouth or finger into motion as i will wipe the floor with you in court as i have many times.
This is what happens when people break the terms and conditions of the car park found on the signs placed near the ticket machine and elsewhere.
Obviously most people don't bother to read the conditions and when caught out scream innocence, often without good reason.
People, just read the frikking conditions and follow them. It'll save you a whole lot of bother in the long run.
More often than not the parking companies don't wrong you, you wrong yourselves.
Yeah and that's why the thieving criminals lost their case against me! Inadequate signage! Signage that is practically unreadable! Signage that isn't there that should be there like an entry sign that is clear to see and read! I see these types of car parks all over the place that are designed to catch people out because its way more lucrative to charge someone for not having a ticket! Council car parks are a different story but privately owed car parks are just out to trick people! The judge in my case literally threw the case out straight away because there was no entry board, just lots of little signs that you could easily miss and impossible to read! But yeah you keep on supporting company's like vehicle control services!
@@thefunkstarking I've been caught out by these guys in the past and although I had issues with it at the time I was well aware of my mistake, a bit pissed off though.
Thankfully today most decent car park operators are well aware of this and now put in place clear visible signage so as not to catch out honest folk such as yourself looking for somewhere to pay and display, and it now works a treat.
Unlike barrier car parks which require no attendants, pay and display car parks rely on trust and It's a system that is regularly abused.
So car park attendants patrol them and stop those who are happy to take a chance and abuse that trust.
Fortunately most folk are good as gold and play by the rules.
It's the wrong'uns that make carpark patrols necessary. And that's why sometimes the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.
@@thefunkstarking Nice suit by the way. Very dandy.
@@antman5474 you don't sound as bad as I first thought!!!! No this isn't about just trying to get away without paying for parking. Paying to park has its reason, not only is it a business but it keeps it fair for the customer. What I am trying to combat is the parking companies who are blatantly out to try and catch people out by poorly displaying that it's a pay and display. For instance like I mentioned, the car park I was in had no entry board clearly stating it was a pay and display, the signs you pass are very high up and written in very small lettering. This is completely different to council owned car parks! Then I believe they put other tactics in to increase the amount of people without tickets, such as allowing your first 30 min to be free, however if they catch you there for a minute longer they issue you with a £100 fine! Why be so generous only to punish so harshly! That's 200x the cost of the 1 hour stay! What do you think they would prefer? They also removed parking meters from their original plans on the entrance in to the car park, so they even made it hard to see or find the parking meters. These are the kind of car parks I've got issues with because they clearly want people to park there so they can charge a ridiculous amount of money. Anyway you sound like a decent chap so I'm sure we are on the page as me anyway.
@@thefunkstarking Cheers bud. Most private car park companies are ex wheel clamping firms, clamping was outlawed 10 years ago and the industry was heavily regulated which put a lot of the rouges out of business. But it's like the old saying goes I guess. A leopard can't change its spots.
Good luck with your fight though 👍
Forget the PCN, you should be fined for that haircut and suit😂
What an excellent comment! If i were you, I'd have also fined me for my accent cos that's crap aswel! Keep looking amazing, chum!