1:16:23 Again, he doesn't know his history. "Human rights were deciphered by the enlightenment" human rights came out of theistic philosophy. As soon as you step away from theism, you lose your very foundation for all this progressivism. And they don't even realize it.
Evan says it's disruptive and disharmonious for the Christian to dislike gay relationships. So wouldn't that logic apply to anything anybody doesn't like? For example if I'm against public nudity, shouldn't Evan tell me that I just need to be more inclusive?
@@sullainvictus yes. And somehow they are argue pluralism is good, even though it requires absolute perpetual disharmony of incompatible views and practices
@MadebyJimbob ot is almost impossible to have a conversation as the words progressives use often have a varied or incorrect meaning. Having to nail them down to an exact meaning without wiggle room is very time consuming, but crucial. Your efforts the other day on Sarah's stream after Jay left were exemplary, and yet they were so low teir and bigoted it was lost on them. Great work all the same!
1:11:50 Enlightenment values is just code for Christian values. Bathe in Christian values for a thousand years and you'll end up learning some things about the nature of reality. So he's just saying that progressivism is centered around Christianity.
@@twentyfaces6915no. Dummy, do you know what an internal critique is. I reject human rights, but if the secularist thinks Christianity produced a good in a debate on which system is better, then I’ll take the point. The debate wasn’t about whether Christianity is true. It shows that the secularist has to borrow from even a heterodox Christian view to even claim progress 😂😂😂
Just started watching. Progressive is a shapeshifting weasel word. Im socially conservative and economically left wing. It's often attached to ideologies that draw humanity backwards & utilitarian ethics, being spineless & boot licking for the neoliberal dems.these people arent Huey Longs! Before I've typed this, the hosts have mentioned most of this... as you go on, your interlocutor has proposed a contradictory definition of virtue. I want to move to Nicaragua and have been looking into building an orthodox mission there. That should tell you where im politically & religiously. Good grief paradox of tolerance! Welp, im going to make some 🍿 and watch.
It's just as shape shifting to say you're socially conservative and economically liberal. Economically liberals are for abortion and gun control. Those are social issues, jumbo shrimp.
JB acts like thinking through public policy while observing objective reality and is somehow less justified than believing all the answers can be found in an ancient set of disparate books from the Middle East.
JB acts like thinking through public policy while observing objective reality is somehow less justified than believing all the answers can be found in an ancient set of disparate books from the Middle East.
@ or perhaps I just understand that pragmatic justifications tend to fare better than the purportedly divine justifications that rely on ancient books from superstitious people.
1:16:23 Again, he doesn't know his history. "Human rights were deciphered by the enlightenment" human rights came out of theistic philosophy. As soon as you step away from theism, you lose your very foundation for all this progressivism. And they don't even realize it.
They have no idea that Christian societies had been curtailing/banning different types of slavery since long before the enlightenment.
41:11 Again Evan says "reasoning and empiricism." How do you empirically verify an immaterial concept such as virtue?
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@divinelogoiemilio St Maximus the Confessor pray for us☦️
I've seen one marxist, who said something like " What you call immaterial is, in fact, material"
Evan says it's disruptive and disharmonious for the Christian to dislike gay relationships. So wouldn't that logic apply to anything anybody doesn't like? For example if I'm against public nudity, shouldn't Evan tell me that I just need to be more inclusive?
@@sullainvictus yes. And somehow they are argue pluralism is good, even though it requires absolute perpetual disharmony of incompatible views and practices
@MadebyJimbob ot is almost impossible to have a conversation as the words progressives use often have a varied or incorrect meaning. Having to nail them down to an exact meaning without wiggle room is very time consuming, but crucial. Your efforts the other day on Sarah's stream after Jay left were exemplary, and yet they were so low teir and bigoted it was lost on them. Great work all the same!
Public nudity seems to go hand in hand with those kinds of relationships, so yeah, I assume he'd tell you to stop being a regressive phobe
Will watch it now. Thanks.
Well done JimBob!
This is Jimbob at his finest. Won at the opening statement
Sorry I wasn't around for the streams last night. Watching them now while doing chores. 😁
Bro’s opening statement started with the word “Wikipedia”…
Eazy looks like a dollar store Vin Diesel.
1:11:50 Enlightenment values is just code for Christian values. Bathe in Christian values for a thousand years and you'll end up learning some things about the nature of reality. So he's just saying that progressivism is centered around Christianity.
Sex with grandma Mildred sounds like a punk band
Sorry Jimbob but you have to fact check these guys you really let him get away with saying the enlightenment was the reason slavery was abolished lol
Jimbob agrees with that.
@@twentyfaces6915 I just granted it because he said the enlightenment was Christian, so I just took it as a point for Christianity
@@MadebyJimbob so you believe Christianity is progressive and responsible human rights? On your Livestream you said otherwise before.
@@twentyfaces6915no. Dummy, do you know what an internal critique is.
I reject human rights, but if the secularist thinks Christianity produced a good in a debate on which system is better, then I’ll take the point. The debate wasn’t about whether Christianity is true.
It shows that the secularist has to borrow from even a heterodox Christian view to even claim progress 😂😂😂
100 gay men raising a child why not
thats a def case right there
Stunningly brave
Evan will need to see the outcome data on that.
Good stuff
Link Jake bro
Dont tell anyone what to do bro. 😮😮😮how DAre yoUu!!
Two progressive dudes trying to invent a wheel that was already invented two thousand years ago.
Just started watching. Progressive is a shapeshifting weasel word. Im socially conservative and economically left wing. It's often attached to ideologies that draw humanity backwards & utilitarian ethics, being spineless & boot licking for the neoliberal dems.these people arent Huey Longs! Before I've typed this, the hosts have mentioned most of this... as you go on, your interlocutor has proposed a contradictory definition of virtue. I want to move to Nicaragua and have been looking into building an orthodox mission there. That should tell you where im politically & religiously. Good grief paradox of tolerance! Welp, im going to make some 🍿 and watch.
It's just as shape shifting to say you're socially conservative and economically liberal. Economically liberals are for abortion and gun control. Those are social issues, jumbo shrimp.
Why do I have to prove I'm 18 to subscribe to Jimbobs gaming channel?!
@@1972challenger really?
@MadebyJimbob it was a poor attempt at humor referencing the nintendo cartridge!
@@1972challenger haha
@@MadebyJimbobYou have a gaming channel?
yo
JB acts like thinking through public policy while observing objective reality and is somehow less justified than believing all the answers can be found in an ancient set of disparate books from the Middle East.
JB acts like thinking through public policy while observing objective reality is somehow less justified than believing all the answers can be found in an ancient set of disparate books from the Middle East.
How does them being from the Middle East disprove them
@@GlovesOff_jc you don’t know what justification means.
@ or perhaps I just understand that pragmatic justifications tend to fare better than the purportedly divine justifications that rely on ancient books from superstitious people.
@@GlovesOff_jcbegs the question for what's beneficial.
@@GlovesOff_jc How do you know that's true? How do you know you have the correct criteria for separating true claims from false ones?
Agreed with most of the points you raised...but listening to the debate you sound insufferable. Perhaps it's a me problem...?
Really? Yeah, I don’t see it..
I've evolved past the point of personal incredulity. Celebrate me🎉🎉
Yes definitely you