So I understand that I definitely made a mistake with the Gula = Ventus thing. Obviously that’s not possible considering what we know about Union X. Thanks guys for pointing that out (No need to comment on that any further 😂)! Regardless of the mistake I still want this video to be focused on Ava, and I still think that the reincarnation theory could somewhat still be a possibility. Again, this is all just thoughts and theory.
I wouldn’t throw that theory in the trash just yet. It’s entirely possible that Ava planted Gula among that Dandelion’s because his role is to find the traitor. Nobody ever said that that one of the exceptional key blade wielders couldn’t be an already existing union leader. Now, that might be unfounded if Ava is more explicitly the traitor and becomes “darkness” as another video implies, but that still doesn’t change anything because if she is also a version of Kairi and Kairi is a pure heart of light, then the extreme darkness that is theorized to be Ava still makes sense. An Ava of Light and an Ava of Darkness. Ava both fulfills her role and betrays it.
I find it more likely that the box has a portion of the fortellers and master of masters as it is explicitly stated by Xehanort that a version of yourself meets you. I would honestly say that if Ava is Kairi then it is because Kairi is a princess of heart and Ava had her heart split and pushed into seven maidens after the first keyblade war or her line would pass on their heart to their youngest decedent aka Kairi's grandmother also being Ava. This sorta makes since because Kairi suffers from amnesia like Terranort did upon Xehanort taking over Terra's body. Another reason Ava might not be their is that she is the traitor to the master of masters plan. She could have won the first keyblade war learned of his whole plan and then gone against him. She technically started the keyblade war as the last of the forteller to go against their stated duties, the first was Evny, and she created another group which she became attached to. As for the identity of Darkness my bet is Ventus because Vanitas is literally a manifestation of his original self's darkness and his keyblade back then was a darkness keyblade. He's not Gula because Gula would 1 have to survive the Keyblade war, 2 somehow be a person both the master of masters and Ava choose to be a leader of the Dandelions and 3 have a completely different keyblade than his main one gifted to him by the master of masters.
Am I understanding something wrong? I thought you could only time travel if your heart already existed in the period you are traveling to to ex. Young Xehanort
I just had a interesting theory that might actually play Into this. Ok so you know how when Xehanort "kills" Kairi she kinda shatters like glass? Well what if that isn't actually Kairi, but an illusion. If you look into folklore about foxes they are often seen as tricksters who specialize in deceiving people. And with Ava being represented by a fox and how she specializes in illusions. As you can see in Union X where she takes on the appearance of Ira. And apparently she can also create illusionary clones with an ability/spell/magic called "Foxtrot." Why? Maybe it has to do with getting Sora to end up where he needs to be aka Sibuya, where it seems the Master of Masters is coincidentally. Maybe we see Kiari cry at the end because she knows that she tricked Sora and feels regret for it. There is also the ending chest board setup where it insinuates that we would fight the MoM + the Six fortellers which would include none other than Ava. However how can Ava participate if she wasn't brought back alongside the other fortellers? The answer is: She was already here. So there was no need to bring her back in the first place. Why would Ava do This? I don't know. However we do know that one of the last people she talked to around the keyblade war was Luxu, who we now know to be Xigbar. The same person who was instructed by the Master of Masters with a role that we don't quite know the full extent of. Why does he need to watch the Box? Why did he pass his heart down the generations? Why did he summon the other foretellers? Its almost as if there was a reason for Xehanort plans to start a keyblade war. Almost as if they want certain pieces in certain places. Like Sora ending up in Sibuya. I know this sounds like a stretch, but the pieces line up pretty well, not perfectly, but good enough that it seems plausible.
Interesting but there’s one fact your forgetting. Xchi is set years before BBS and in BBS, we see child Kairi, whom did arrive on the destiny islands. Though it is possible that she’s her reincarnation.
Ava is the one that gets the most screen time out of the four tellers on back cover so I’m guessing she will be in kh4 or something. She is the most popular four teller and a lot of people picked the fox in union x
Ava is Kairis nobody and the reason namine doesn’t take on kairis appearance is because Ava merged her heart with kairi when she time traveled to the future, her role was to make sure light survives at all cost and she does keep the light from expiring by holding on to sora in the darkness. ONLY ONE with great strength can do that, therefore that leads me to conclude Ava had merged hearts with kairi and when Kairi created a nobody, the looks took on Master Ava’s looks rather than kairis, this is the same for Ventus and Roxas, the only reason roxas looks like ventus is because ventus has merged hearts with sora.
Out of all the bonker KH3 theories I've seen, this is the first one that actually makes a semblance of sense. I know a lot of people in the community want to cast away the notion that the Foretellers even have any sort of connection to the main KH cast, even the theory that they might be ancestors/descendants, let alone the same people. But the pieces just seem to keep lining up, and your theory lends to that credence even more. It just makes too much sense. Maybe that's why so many people want to deny this possibility, because it's too convenient or too predictable and we know how Nomura likes to throw everyone's head for a spin. I'd also like to point out that the MoM refers to Ava as "hope"...the same way Luxord refers to the Black Box in the Carribean world as containing "hope". Maybe there's some sort of connection between the Black Box and Ava? I'm not necessarily saying Ava or her heart is the only thing in the box, but where ever her whereabouts currently are, maybe that's contained within the box. Maybe the Black Box contains the Final World...this is just more speculation but I feel like there's some connection with Ava and that mysterious box. Most people bank on the Black Box containing the MoM's heart but I think there's more to it than that. Literally anything could be in that box, it could even let's say contain multiple hearts. Everyone even in the game itself seem to have their own idea of what's in the box. Maleficent even says the box contains the Book of Prophecies. Maybe the box contains not just one specific thing, but multiple things? Whether it be certain character's hearts, or the Book of Prophecies, or all of the above. Or maybe none of it. Either way, whatever the box officially contains, I can't help but make that connection between Ava and Luxord referring to the Black Box as containing "hope"...I haven't seen anyone bring this part up but even if the box doesn't just pertain to Ava, I feel like the box is at least partially connected to her somehow. At the risk of getting off track, I also can't help but think about how Ienzo referred to the hearts that lived within Sora as living in their own box...it's like another clue to the whole puzzle.
Assassin Of Youth literally anything could be in that box 😂 but that Ienzo line is interesting. Could be a clue? I feel like the box definitely has to do something with hearts
Since Nomura confirmed Luxu used time travel to bring the Foretellers to modern time what if the answer to their present forms was waiting for them this entire time in plain sight. As Dark of a theory this sounds what if the box Luxu has CONTAINS the bodies of the Foretellers MINUS Ava. MoM did say to Luxu never to open the box until a certain time and place and he would know when. Both him and the box were present at the Keyblade graveyard when the world fell to darkness and once it reformed and the new Keyblade War was finished. Plus considering it seemed Luxu was about to open the box at the end of the cutscene a obvious homage to a certain meme from a movie evolving into KH3. Though Kairi being a version of Ava does sound cuz there is all ready the theory Ava is Kairi's grandmother which I am really starting to believe even more cuz one thing strikes me odd. Why the hell is it when you first boot up khux is Kairi and her grandmother talking about the tale of the Keyblade War. That has to be some kind of correlation of some sort and sorry for this being a novel thoughts flew lol
Kaibaman41 maybe their hearts could be in the box? It definitely is a possibility and very interesting. And that’s very true about the khux opening! The Ava/Kairi grandmother theory is definitely one that I support as well
I personally HC that Namine and Ava are the same. It'd explain why Namine is a Special Nobody. She looks little like Kairi, so I think Ava put her heart into Kairi and THAT became Namine instead of her being Kairi's. Plus their magic is super similar. White magic based around illusions. IDK but it'd also explain why Ava wasn't in the last cutscene with Luxu and the other foretellers too. TLDR Kairi is holding Ava's heart, and Namine's status as a Special Nobody is based around her being AVA'S Nobody. Or some princess of heart thing.
The foretellers may have time travelled to the future but imo I'm not sure it was of their choosing. Hence IRA saying "did you summon us here?" But I think that there is a piece of every foreteller in the box and that's how Luxu summoned them to the present...
Is this the reason why Naminè doesn't look like Kairi? Maybe Naminè's face is the real face of Ava, the face under the mask. I never understood why Naminè doesn't look like Kairi
Stefano DF Naminè was created from Sora because Kairi’s heart was inside him at the time. She’s Kairi’s nobody but not technically created from Kairi directly. That probably has something to do with why they look different, but this is an interesting point
1. *any* PoH could've done what kairi did.... though it is a bit odd that she's the only one who didn't transfer her power. 2. gula and ventus existed simultaneously, so ventus can't be gula's reincarnation. if anything, gula is most similar to roxas.
Dreq the Dreck very true! But maybe there’s more time travel involved there than we know? Because Young Xehanort was able to time travel to a time where he and xehanort existed simultaneously. So maybe there’s more here with Gula and Ventus. Just a thought!
@@andybru at the back of my head, I knew I didnt articulate myself well enough. sorry. gula and ventus were *naturally born within the same generation.* as such, ventus can't be gula's reincarnation or vice versa.
Dreq the Dreck gotcha dude! What I was trying to say before in my previous comment was what if Ventus actually wasn’t born in UX era, but somehow traveled back through time. The case that most likely stands is that Ven is naturally from UX era, which I lean more towards because it’s pretty obvious. I was just thinking about the possibility of Ventus actually being from the present day and somehow time traveling to the past without his knowledge. It’s a stretch but ehh lol
I think i have a theory in who might Gula be. I think is maybe Lea(The one I *truly* believe is Gula) or Roxas are the "reencarnation" of Gula. First let's go to Lea: • both, Lea and Gula have the carefree personality (who can be serious at serious moments). There is a parallel between Gula's relationship with Ava and Lea's relationship with Kairi: • Both of them have a deep friendship of respect and admiration for each other. • Kairi and Ava have both protected Gula and Lea when they were in danger (I can't think of more). But there's the fact that Gula's color scheme doesn't match with Lea's, but Roxas's does match. So, maybe, is mix of the both or maybe is just one of them? I don't know. That's just a thing I wanted to put out of my head for a while, there's not much evidence supporting it but that's just a theory. Besides, your theory is incredible and I fully support it!
Great theory, except for Ven relating to Gula, since Ven is also from the Age of Fairy Tales. I personally believe Roxas, or Sora (due to the render from a while ago) is connected to Gula.
Here is another thing to ponder. Master of masters voice actor is the same person who voices Noctis Lucis Caelum, the character that Yozora is based off of.........
Good theory but I don't think Ven is related to Gula since they exist at same time. It's already been pointed out that there's a KH3 render of Sora in the exact same position at Gula.
I have a very far-fetch theory so take this a very small grain of salt but we all know nomura has made even the smallest things in kh that seemed insignificant turned out to be important later what if Ava is Sora’s mother we heard her in the first kh but after that we she’s never heard or brought up ever again and it could explain some of Sora’s abilities like Sora heart healing Ventus’s heart and keeping Ventus roxas and xion in him at the same time
I got something to add to your little plot twist you're forgetting that then already exists as a version of him own self in the past in the age of fairy tales as himself Ventus so that other person who might be Gula could possibly bleed s o r a
I would find Roxas more likely to be gula's reincarnation. But Ventus does invalidate that a version of a person needs to be there to greet a timetraveler.
i did had a theory that those foretellers could be like terra, aqua, and ven. For one thing, its mostly their physical body, but when I saw Luxu body and Xigbar are the same person, i thought i could be wrong about it...
Little late to the party but, what if the Foretellers were able to time travel because they put a piece of their heart inside of their modern day counterparts? It's not to crazy to think they would also have to the power to do that, especially since it was Luxu who taught Xehanort how to seperate his heart and change vessels too. Also if the star who talks to Sora at the Final World is actually Ava, it would make sense why she didn't meet up with everyone else too. Either way this was a great theory!
I always thought that the keyblade war trapped the foretellers in kingdom hearts and when master xehanort opened the true kingdom hearts they had their way out?
If that’s the case, then maybe that’s why their past selves were able to come to the present timeline, because a version of themselves exist in the present even if it’s in Kingdom Hearts.
regardless if Kairi is necessarily a version of Ava or not (which actually sounds interesting, ngl) or even if the current characters are somehow the Foretellers, the head of the nail was hit when the rules of time travel in KH were mentioned, I haven't seen a single person so far remember this, I mean, this is big, WHO or WHAT could be "waiting" for the Foretellers in the current time for them to travel? it's so simple yet, it's the first time I see in this context the mention of the rules the in-game universe tell us. no wonder people joke the story is complex, we don't pay attention to details such as this
i think i have it figured out: when ava and luxu met, he told her his role was just to watch because Luxu is from where MoM is from, hence why he is so special to him. i believe Luxu was the first person to unlock the power of waking, and the MoM used him to create his own agenda of time. Luxu having the power of waking is why he is the only one that has a mission that doesn’t involve “losing his body”. Ava’s prophecy must have stated to save sora, or something having to do with sora and the dandelions. Luxu’s must have been to switch bodies with Ava, which is why “her body” wasn’t left behind, because he used it. her heart was then put into his body, and when the dandelions floated away, she did too, forming the character of “Brain”, which is why he calls himself the “Virus” to THE “MoM” world, because he is actually the body of Luxu with the heart of Ava, and they are only focused on their soul mission. i believe that once the dandelion data world is destroyed all of them go back to their home world, which now has light again, but brain returns to their true homeworld, and this is harsh on his memory, just like ventus. It’s possible that Luxu is actually YoZora, with yozora obviously being able to use the power of waking but not understanding it, and with their deep connection to Sora being there because it is Ava’s heart, which is Kairi’s heart. she does only think to save sora, because this has always been her hearts prophecy. i think this is the ceremony that happens when terra imprints on Riku, with the opposite side being when Luxu steals bodies. so now, Luxu’s heart is here because he left behind his body to ava, but ava cant return because her heart is no longer connected to kairi right now. and her body is no longer hers in her memories.
soooo... they say you need a version of yourself in that time you wish to go, is there any chance that a corpse count as a "version of yourself"? horrible, i know, but what if?
Honestly, my theory is that the reason Ava did not show up is because she is trapped in the Realm of Sleep. Hear me out for this one. We know that Ava's Role was to assemble the Dandelion's and send them to "another world" when the Keyblade War happened in order to keep the light alive. But how did she get them into the "other world" after the MoM disappeared? Easy answer, he showed her the Arks and taught her how to use them to send the Dandelion's to the Data Worlds, possibly even having her travel there herself to prove it works. She, in turn, taught this to Brain in case it was needed. Following this Ava joined the other Foretellers on the battlefield with her Union, but notice that they are the last ones to arrive? It's stated by Gula in Back Cover that Ava "always does the right thing". And yet, despite knowing that the Keyblade War - inevitable as it proved to be - was the wrong thing to do, Ava still showed up. Why? Because as much as she didn't want to fight, she couldn't abandon those of her Union who did. They relied on her as a leader, so she lived up to that Role. Then in the aftermath of the battle, rather than be somehow pulled forward in time, Ava allowed her Chirithy to pull her into the Realm of Sleep and fell into a Deep Slumber like what happened to Sora in Dream Drop Distance. Fast forward to know, and Ava has been in Slumber so long that Awakening her is going to be a process.
Ava and the Dandellions with a data backup of daybreak town or some portal to quadratum or unreality are inside the black box of the mom hence why he says Hope is inside the box the box is like a pocket dimension
I definitely think there's a connection between Ava and Kairi, but I'm not sure it is like the Luxu-Xigbar connection. Xigbar seems to have been aware all the time that he was Luxu and worked to carry out his role. On the other hand we see Kair as a small kid acting like a small kid would. If she had her memories of being Ava, then I imagine she would have acted more mature. She also wouldn't have needed to inherit a keyblade from Aqua by touching hers (although that whole process was farfetched, so maybe they'll retcon that into "She is a wielder because she was actually AVA all along), and if she was Ava, then why would Riku give her a keyblade to wield in KH2 instead of Kairi just summoning one earlier. After all, she travelled without a keyblade in an attempt to find Sora, and when confronted by Axel and Saix she didn't use a keyblade to fight back. So yeah, I'm sure there's a connection, but I'm not sure it's a 1-to-1 connection of them actually being the same person
This sounds really compelling, but you're going to have to define what "other versions" of them means. If this is supposed to involve reincarnation, we haven't heard about reincarnation in the series, so that feels like a stretch to me. Without assuming the existence of reincarnation, it would be impossible for the Foretellers to exist in the past if they were already characters who exist in the present. For example: We saw Riku as a very young child. We basically know when he was born. He can't time travel to a period before his own birth. So he can't be Ira. Same goes for the others. I do, however, think it's totally possible that the Master made the Foretellers and based them on the appearance of strong keyblade wielders he saw in the future. Chirithy mentioned that the Master gave them their names, which is a peculiar detail. The way he set them up to clash with each other was like an experiment, possibly to test their hearts/humanness. Luxu, who was distinctly different from the Foretellers, was probably the Master's lab assistant, seeing as how it was his job to observe their behavior before departing Daybreak Town. My theory assumes that artificial humans/hearts are a thing, which, I mean... Is that more possible than reincarnation? I don't know. lmao Maybe? We know that the Master can make Dream Eaters in a flask which is pretty big news. Maybe he can make people, too. As for why Ava is missing... I think she's just Luxord now. (If not, then... ??? ?????? ???? ?? No idea. lol)
Man, seeing this old comment makes me feel like I was clueless. I played Type-0 (formerly known as Agito XIII) and noticed that the Daybreak Town clock tower COMES FROM that game. It's about kids who fight in a war that repeatedly leads to the end of the world. MoM is clearly based on Jack - who looks like Demyx and has the same VA. He has 13 comrades, which is where I assume the "13 Darknesses" come from. The other Foretellers also match perfectly with other members of Class Zero. I don't even have to say who's who because it's obvious. You'll know. I don't think that it explains everything because KH is clearly doing its own thing, like how it's impossible to know where they're going with Verum Rex even if it's very similar to Versus XIII and FFXV. BUT, I think that playing Type-0 made me feel like I understand what Nomura's going for. I don't feel like I'm totally in the dark anymore. (Unfortunately, I still don't know where Ava is right now. lol) tl;dr - I expect them to take off their masks and look like Agito XIII characters. So yeah, I highly recommend playing Type-0. I haven't seen anyone make a video about this yet, which is crazy because this is the most hype theory evidence I've EVER seen.
What if Larxene’s final cutscene was about her secretly being in touch with Ava.( Organization members9-12 were chosen because they had Keyblade history) In the same segment of fights you fought Luxord who gave you a card. also no one see’s their ends Demyx,Luxord,Marluxia, and Larxene I feel have a bigger roll than they seem
There’s a theory that Ava mirrors or represents Kairi and the Ending of Kingdom Hearts III makes sense as they are both gone or dead now. The other or the same theory says the Master of Masters’ keyblade would actually belong to Sora as the rest of the foretellers mirror the Wayfinder trio and the rest of Destiny Islands’ trio. Sora isn’t there with the foretellers before and after their formation which would also parallel the missing member and Sora being away from the group. If Sora really is him then not only will he save Kairi but he’ll also bring Ava back as well. Also would it also be possible for Sora to have Ephemer’s heart?
and ansem or xehanort released kairi into destiny islands an she was a kod that was experimented on as she has a pure heart of light an she was the key to start the whole process hence why she got sent to riki an sora.
The thing about Ava's "mission" is that the term used for her Dandelions is always her "role". This is shown in the cutscene playing under you at 5:19. She's asked about the Dandelions and she says it is her role. In the context of the Foretellers, their relation as a group is always referred to as their 'role' - Ira as the leader, Invi as the mediator, Aced as the second-in-command, Gula as the traitor-finder, and Ava to keep hope alive. These are not their 'mission'. When Luxu says she had "her own mission", the implications of that are vastly different from when Aced asks him what his "role" was. Having her own mission is that she had one of her own choosing, not of the Master's (spoken) design for them. Which leads directly into the fact that she was the (unwitting) traitor. As to the rules of time travel, the rules on that seem to be somewhat flexible, in that "a version of yourself" isn't always "yourself". Examples of this can easily be shown in 3D and 3 proper - Almost the entire group of True Organization members who traveled through time weren't themselves there when they arrived, they had died already. So what version of themselves was there? Well all their hearts were partially of Xehanort's, and Young Xehanort was there. But Sai'x isn't Xehanort, nor is Xigbar, Marluxia, etc. So it's pretty easy to deduce that at least a part of them in some way or another was there in the graveyard where they met - Potentially in Luxu, the No Name Keyblade, the Gazing Eye itself, or in the box Luxu was carrying. As for their bodies, well, I would really doubt the theory about their millenia-old corpses being still viable for this event. We still haven't got a clue what's in the black box. Alternatively, the Foretellers are meant to be some of the most powerful Keyblade Masters in history, and, well, in KH1 Sora managed to get himself a new body by trading hearts with Kairi, even when he was just a Heartless, and his Nobody had already left him. And we can't pin that down to Ventus, coz his was still in Castle Oblivion at the time. If we're to argue it's because Kairi's special as a Princess of Heart, then couldn't we also argue that the Foretellers, with the amount of Lux they collected prior to the Keyblade War, and Luxu's travels and adventures, would qualify them as powerful or intelligent enough to be able to just make new bodies, or even pull theirs with them? Maybe that would be breaking the rules of time travel, but I'm pretty sure that there's some stipulations about it, since Young Xehanort was apparently given the power to time travel without these restrictions.
Mayhaps the black box contains a "digital world" similar to the one that KHuX intruded upon, and was an arc for the MoM/dandelions/foretellers to survive across worldlines? After all, they showed up after Kingdom Hearts did and further after Sora hopped across worldlines. The keyblade wielders from union cross didn't show up in the first worldline, perhaps because they had already jumped ship?
I just had a thought, who owned the Mansion in Twilight Town before Ansem the Wise? In KH2 it was the only place the had iconography of the Foretellers, and the basement could only be unlocked by interacting with such. We were told that some time before Diz took residence in there someone else did sketchy things in the basement, perhaps holding Subject X, but if so why did they decorate the place with Ira's symbol? Who knew of Ira in the modern era besides Luxu?
your theory falls apart when we remenber that the time travel from UX using the pods doesn't need another version of yourself, only a person with memories of you and something to you use to remake your body(like what maleficent did during KH2)
absolutely no reasoning behind this. but what if ava was soras mom. i mean you only hear her voice for like 2 seconds in kh1. and other than that you don’t hear anything from her or about her. she could just be hiding from all this & what if part of her mission was to have sora...
sir with out a doubt ava is kiri she played a major part in this whole story like sora said his journey started reason being because of kiri I repeat because her of her being taken and my theory for the no name of the keyblade is the all seeing eye because the master of masters has been watching from a different realm being earth as things unravel
Maybe Ava is the one we heard Lea and Isa talk about the girl I don't know who , "The girl that is imprisoned in Ansem the wise lap and gone" my guess she have lost
Matt Prado it’s definitely the same voice, but it is actually very interesting that MoM acts completely different around Ava compared to the rest of the foretellers. I actually bring that up in my most recent video!
Could Kairi literally be Ava? Maybe, she's been possessing Kairi for a while now, and the 'Kairi' that Sora knows has been Ava this whole time? That would be insane right?
I’m from the future the reason why the fortellers where able to travel to the future is because luxu remembered them and had memories of them just like maleficent came back in kh2 because of the fairies
Gula being Ventus is a bit far fectched since he was in Union, unless.....and I mean unless, the leaders were reincarnated right at the end of the Keyblade War. And I would believe it except Ventus doesn't have the same fighting style as Gula(Even though we never saw him fight in 3). And every keyblade wielder in Union has the same fighting style.
At this point I really don’t think the Foretellers were reincarnated in the future. I think something else brought them there. Probably something that has to do with the box. Or maybe time travel can happen using different methods that we don’t know about yet. Either way, all we can say for sure is: it’s about to go down. Like damn things are gonna go crazy for Sora and the rest.
I am not really sure if I believe that they time traveled at all. I was kind of under the impression that they where resurrected. Or at lest something close to that. Ava likely doesn't need to be resurrected because she is still alive. It's not like being resurrected is new we just saw Sora do it seven times. Not counting Kairi because it is very debatable that she really died given remind. Also I don't really believe foretellers are somehow the same people as some of our characters in present day theory. The only one that feels even close to the same is Aced and Terra and even then I really can't imagine Terra getting that upset at someone he should see as a little brother. If anything Ira has a lot more in common with Isa then with Riku, and not just because their names are one letter apart. So although I can see there being some connection between the present day characters and the foretellers it doesn't make sense to me for them to be the same people. Now I don't really mind if time travel is the reason that they have come into the present story. I just think that simple resurrection made possible by Kingdom Hearts almost opening makes a lot more sense. I mean Luxu was also there the other time Kingdom Hearts was almost open in BBS. He was also one of the last Nobodies to be killed in KH2 and we know he and Axel are known for faking deaths. If Kingdom Hearts is also almost opened in DR and Luxu is there to see it then we will have to think that something about it opening was a thing that he wanted to witness. Most likely because it would allow him to resurrect his friends.
That doesn't make sense ventus was around in Union Cross. also the last page of the prophecy is states that the light would lose, Sora was never meant to rewrite time to fix it he was supposed to die at that point but his will was stronger and he rewrote history permanently changing the ending of the prophecy.
.. no i dont think Master Ava and Kirai r connected.. i think Master Ava is the traitor.. and left to do her own missions to stop either Luxu or MoMs...
xion is skulds nobody. shes trapped in soras heart along with ventus. hence why she was used a subject X. sh was ultimately destroyed or killed which resulted her taking up refuge in soras heart. hence why she looks like why xion does.
There's something that always bothered me about the reincarnation theory Pacifically about Riku and ira if Riku is a reincarnation of Ira then why is Ira's hair blue and not white Like Riku
Ventus actually breaks this whole theory. Birth by sleep shows us that Kairi is a child. Ventus shows us that some how people from the past can come to the future without their memories which was also confirmed by skuld in secret reports. So although the foretellers are similar to other keyblade wielders in the present it doesn't mean that they are either versions which ground them or reincarnations.
to time travel only memories are needed ie maleficent, also xion, namine? they are Kari and share her body and memory. memories create hearts ie replica riku. i see holes in your theory. its fun though!
Master Ava meet Sora and Kingdom hearts 3 go and to Kingdom hearts 4 and Sora connection to everyone and Foretller is the Key to a New War of Kingdom hearts yes Return Sora and Master Ava and Luxu and Master of Master and Yozora real mission was to protect Sora and Master Ava is Missing yes and Sora and Master Ava is Missing For Yozora true objective Return
Okay so I have a theory that ava and kairi are connected i mean look at ava keyblade im glad I'm not the only one who thought this and omg yes i have the same idea and theory about how each of them are connected to some of our 7 gardians of light.
KAIRI AND AVA ARE *NOT* THE SAME PERSON. They are NOT related or connected in any way or form. There is now more knowledge on time travel in Kingdom Hearts now that KH Union X is complete.
i can tell you why kairi was the only one who died: square hates kairi, in the entire series she killed a total of 1 normal heartles (if you consider all the cutszenes) so they killed her. she had 0 development since... ever.
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So I understand that I definitely made a mistake with the Gula = Ventus thing. Obviously that’s not possible considering what we know about Union X. Thanks guys for pointing that out (No need to comment on that any further 😂)! Regardless of the mistake I still want this video to be focused on Ava, and I still think that the reincarnation theory could somewhat still be a possibility. Again, this is all just thoughts and theory.
I wouldn’t throw that theory in the trash just yet. It’s entirely possible that Ava planted Gula among that Dandelion’s because his role is to find the traitor. Nobody ever said that that one of the exceptional key blade wielders couldn’t be an already existing union leader. Now, that might be unfounded if Ava is more explicitly the traitor and becomes “darkness” as another video implies, but that still doesn’t change anything because if she is also a version of Kairi and Kairi is a pure heart of light, then the extreme darkness that is theorized to be Ava still makes sense. An Ava of Light and an Ava of Darkness. Ava both fulfills her role and betrays it.
Is there a possibility that the master of masters could be a future reflection of Sora?🤔
Tyrell Smith I actually talk about that in another theory video on my channel!
I find it more likely that the box has a portion of the fortellers and master of masters as it is explicitly stated by Xehanort that a version of yourself meets you.
I would honestly say that if Ava is Kairi then it is because Kairi is a princess of heart and Ava had her heart split and pushed into seven maidens after the first keyblade war or her line would pass on their heart to their youngest decedent aka Kairi's grandmother also being Ava. This sorta makes since because Kairi suffers from amnesia like Terranort did upon Xehanort taking over Terra's body.
Another reason Ava might not be their is that she is the traitor to the master of masters plan. She could have won the first keyblade war learned of his whole plan and then gone against him. She technically started the keyblade war as the last of the forteller to go against their stated duties, the first was Evny, and she created another group which she became attached to.
As for the identity of Darkness my bet is Ventus because Vanitas is literally a manifestation of his original self's darkness and his keyblade back then was a darkness keyblade. He's not Gula because Gula would 1 have to survive the Keyblade war, 2 somehow be a person both the master of masters and Ava choose to be a leader of the Dandelions and 3 have a completely different keyblade than his main one gifted to him by the master of masters.
Am I understanding something wrong? I thought you could only time travel if your heart already existed in the period you are traveling to to ex. Young Xehanort
I just had a interesting theory that might actually play Into this.
Ok so you know how when Xehanort "kills" Kairi she kinda shatters like glass? Well what if that isn't actually Kairi, but an illusion. If you look into folklore about foxes they are often seen as tricksters who specialize in deceiving people. And with Ava being represented by a fox and how she specializes in illusions. As you can see in Union X where she takes on the appearance of Ira. And apparently she can also create illusionary clones with an ability/spell/magic called "Foxtrot."
Why? Maybe it has to do with getting Sora to end up where he needs to be aka Sibuya, where it seems the Master of Masters is coincidentally. Maybe we see Kiari cry at the end because she knows that she tricked Sora and feels regret for it. There is also the ending chest board setup where it insinuates that we would fight the MoM + the Six fortellers which would include none other than Ava.
However how can Ava participate if she wasn't brought back alongside the other fortellers?
The answer is: She was already here. So there was no need to bring her back in the first place.
Why would Ava do This? I don't know. However we do know that one of the last people she talked to around the keyblade war was Luxu, who we now know to be Xigbar. The same person who was instructed by the Master of Masters with a role that we don't quite know the full extent of. Why does he need to watch the Box? Why did he pass his heart down the generations? Why did he summon the other foretellers?
Its almost as if there was a reason for Xehanort plans to start a keyblade war. Almost as if they want certain pieces in certain places. Like Sora ending up in Sibuya.
I know this sounds like a stretch, but the pieces line up pretty well, not perfectly, but good enough that it seems plausible.
Tristan Rempert dude I love this! You should make a video about it! So interesting!
@@andybru Thanks. I would make a video for it. But I don't have any equipment to do that sadly.
Interesting but there’s one fact your forgetting.
Xchi is set years before BBS and in BBS, we see child Kairi, whom did arrive on the destiny islands. Though it is possible that she’s her reincarnation.
@@foxywoxy0w068 You do remember that Ventus also came from the same time period as Chi right?
Tristan Rempert
I do, but I was mainly talking about Kairi.
When I first saw Kairi's hoodie I immediately thought of Ava ;x
I imediately thought it had bear ears
How? Both hoods don't even look the same. Just have the color pink in common.
Maybe Ava is soras mom lol
Ava is the one that gets the most screen time out of the four tellers on back cover so I’m guessing she will be in kh4 or something.
She is the most popular four teller and a lot of people picked the fox in union x
Ava is Kairis nobody and the reason namine doesn’t take on kairis appearance is because Ava merged her heart with kairi when she time traveled to the future, her role was to make sure light survives at all cost and she does keep the light from expiring by holding on to sora in the darkness. ONLY ONE with great strength can do that, therefore that leads me to conclude Ava had merged hearts with kairi and when Kairi created a nobody, the looks took on Master Ava’s looks rather than kairis, this is the same for Ventus and Roxas, the only reason roxas looks like ventus is because ventus has merged hearts with sora.
Out of all the bonker KH3 theories I've seen, this is the first one that actually makes a semblance of sense. I know a lot of people in the community want to cast away the notion that the Foretellers even have any sort of connection to the main KH cast, even the theory that they might be ancestors/descendants, let alone the same people. But the pieces just seem to keep lining up, and your theory lends to that credence even more. It just makes too much sense. Maybe that's why so many people want to deny this possibility, because it's too convenient or too predictable and we know how Nomura likes to throw everyone's head for a spin. I'd also like to point out that the MoM refers to Ava as "hope"...the same way Luxord refers to the Black Box in the Carribean world as containing "hope". Maybe there's some sort of connection between the Black Box and Ava? I'm not necessarily saying Ava or her heart is the only thing in the box, but where ever her whereabouts currently are, maybe that's contained within the box. Maybe the Black Box contains the Final World...this is just more speculation but I feel like there's some connection with Ava and that mysterious box. Most people bank on the Black Box containing the MoM's heart but I think there's more to it than that. Literally anything could be in that box, it could even let's say contain multiple hearts. Everyone even in the game itself seem to have their own idea of what's in the box. Maleficent even says the box contains the Book of Prophecies. Maybe the box contains not just one specific thing, but multiple things? Whether it be certain character's hearts, or the Book of Prophecies, or all of the above. Or maybe none of it. Either way, whatever the box officially contains, I can't help but make that connection between Ava and Luxord referring to the Black Box as containing "hope"...I haven't seen anyone bring this part up but even if the box doesn't just pertain to Ava, I feel like the box is at least partially connected to her somehow. At the risk of getting off track, I also can't help but think about how Ienzo referred to the hearts that lived within Sora as living in their own box...it's like another clue to the whole puzzle.
Assassin Of Youth literally anything could be in that box 😂 but that Ienzo line is interesting. Could be a clue? I feel like the box definitely has to do something with hearts
Super underrated comment
Just want to add that the foretellers share their japanese voice actors with the "present day version" of themselves
Since Nomura confirmed Luxu used time travel to bring the Foretellers to modern time what if the answer to their present forms was waiting for them this entire time in plain sight. As Dark of a theory this sounds what if the box Luxu has CONTAINS the bodies of the Foretellers MINUS Ava. MoM did say to Luxu never to open the box until a certain time and place and he would know when. Both him and the box were present at the Keyblade graveyard when the world fell to darkness and once it reformed and the new Keyblade War was finished. Plus considering it seemed Luxu was about to open the box at the end of the cutscene a obvious homage to a certain meme from a movie evolving into KH3. Though Kairi being a version of Ava does sound cuz there is all ready the theory Ava is Kairi's grandmother which I am really starting to believe even more cuz one thing strikes me odd. Why the hell is it when you first boot up khux is Kairi and her grandmother talking about the tale of the Keyblade War. That has to be some kind of correlation of some sort and sorry for this being a novel thoughts flew lol
Kaibaman41 maybe their hearts could be in the box? It definitely is a possibility and very interesting. And that’s very true about the khux opening! The Ava/Kairi grandmother theory is definitely one that I support as well
I hope you guys like long stories. Looks at box and opens it in front of them
I personally HC that Namine and Ava are the same.
It'd explain why Namine is a Special Nobody. She looks little like Kairi, so I think Ava put her heart into Kairi and THAT became Namine instead of her being Kairi's.
Plus their magic is super similar. White magic based around illusions.
IDK but it'd also explain why Ava wasn't in the last cutscene with Luxu and the other foretellers too.
TLDR Kairi is holding Ava's heart, and Namine's status as a Special Nobody is based around her being AVA'S Nobody.
Or some princess of heart thing.
The foretellers may have time travelled to the future but imo I'm not sure it was of their choosing. Hence IRA saying "did you summon us here?" But I think that there is a piece of every foreteller in the box and that's how Luxu summoned them to the present...
I really do find the idea of "reincarnations" or similar ideas to be super fascinating, and I do hope it in some way comes to be true tbh
The Secret Reports same! I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that lol
Ava’s mission was to collect special keyblade wielders and send them to another world. That’s how Kairi, Sora and Riku ended up on Destiny Islands.
Is this the reason why Naminè doesn't look like Kairi? Maybe Naminè's face is the real face of Ava, the face under the mask. I never understood why Naminè doesn't look like Kairi
Stefano DF Naminè was created from Sora because Kairi’s heart was inside him at the time. She’s Kairi’s nobody but not technically created from Kairi directly. That probably has something to do with why they look different, but this is an interesting point
Andy Bru aaaah, so it's not certainwhy Namine looks different... thank you ^^
Ava would also be a princess of heart as well.
This theory is hella good!
1. *any* PoH could've done what kairi did.... though it is a bit odd that she's the only one who didn't transfer her power.
2. gula and ventus existed simultaneously, so ventus can't be gula's reincarnation. if anything, gula is most similar to roxas.
Dreq the Dreck very true! But maybe there’s more time travel involved there than we know? Because Young Xehanort was able to time travel to a time where he and xehanort existed simultaneously. So maybe there’s more here with Gula and Ventus. Just a thought!
@@andybru at the back of my head, I knew I didnt articulate myself well enough. sorry.
gula and ventus were *naturally born within the same generation.* as such, ventus can't be gula's reincarnation or vice versa.
Dreq the Dreck gotcha dude! What I was trying to say before in my previous comment was what if Ventus actually wasn’t born in UX era, but somehow traveled back through time. The case that most likely stands is that Ven is naturally from UX era, which I lean more towards because it’s pretty obvious. I was just thinking about the possibility of Ventus actually being from the present day and somehow time traveling to the past without his knowledge. It’s a stretch but ehh lol
@@andybru ......
sometimes I forget that nomura is nomura. now I'm a bit scared.
I think i have a theory in who might Gula be. I think is maybe Lea(The one I *truly* believe is Gula) or Roxas are the "reencarnation" of Gula.
First let's go to Lea:
• both, Lea and Gula have the carefree personality (who can be serious at serious moments).
There is a parallel between Gula's relationship with Ava and Lea's relationship with Kairi:
• Both of them have a deep friendship of respect and admiration for each other.
• Kairi and Ava have both protected Gula and Lea when they were in danger (I can't think of more).
But there's the fact that Gula's color scheme doesn't match with Lea's, but Roxas's does match. So, maybe, is mix of the both or maybe is just one of them?
I don't know. That's just a thing I wanted to put out of my head for a while, there's not much evidence supporting it but that's just a theory. Besides, your theory is incredible and I fully support it!
Great theory, except for Ven relating to Gula, since Ven is also from the Age of Fairy Tales. I personally believe Roxas, or Sora (due to the render from a while ago) is connected to Gula.
Here is another thing to ponder. Master of masters voice actor is the same person who voices Noctis Lucis Caelum, the character that Yozora is based off of.........
Good theory but I don't think Ven is related to Gula since they exist at same time. It's already been pointed out that there's a KH3 render of Sora in the exact same position at Gula.
Kthulu_SpaceHippo yep you guys are right about that one!
I have a very far-fetch theory so take this a very small grain of salt but we all know nomura has made even the smallest things in kh that seemed insignificant turned out to be important later what if Ava is Sora’s mother we heard her in the first kh but after that we she’s never heard or brought up ever again and it could explain some of Sora’s abilities like Sora heart healing Ventus’s heart and keeping Ventus roxas and xion in him at the same time
jessie robinson hmm. I like the way you think. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was true knowing Nomura 😂
I got something to add to your little plot twist you're forgetting that then already exists as a version of him own self in the past in the age of fairy tales as himself Ventus so that other person who might be Gula could possibly bleed s o r a
Edward Scurry great point my dude!
or, its them from the future transported to the past, thus allowing both of them to exist in the same timeline and nomura stole my girlfriend
I would find Roxas more likely to be gula's reincarnation. But Ventus does invalidate that a version of a person needs to be there to greet a timetraveler.
i did had a theory that those foretellers could be like terra, aqua, and ven. For one thing, its mostly their physical body, but when I saw Luxu body and Xigbar are the same person, i thought i could be wrong about it...
Little late to the party but, what if the Foretellers were able to time travel because they put a piece of their heart inside of their modern day counterparts?
It's not to crazy to think they would also have to the power to do that, especially since it was Luxu who taught Xehanort how to seperate his heart and change vessels too.
Also if the star who talks to Sora at the Final World is actually Ava, it would make sense why she didn't meet up with everyone else too.
Either way this was a great theory!
I strongly believe that Luxord, Demyx, Larxene, Marluxia are foretellers. I’m not sure where Ava is but she may be Kairi.
That’s impossible and I don’t even feel like explaining why lol
I always thought that the keyblade war trapped the foretellers in kingdom hearts and when master xehanort opened the true kingdom hearts they had their way out?
If that’s the case, then maybe that’s why their past selves were able to come to the present timeline, because a version of themselves exist in the present even if it’s in Kingdom Hearts.
regardless if Kairi is necessarily a version of Ava or not (which actually sounds interesting, ngl) or even if the current characters are somehow the Foretellers, the head of the nail was hit when the rules of time travel in KH were mentioned, I haven't seen a single person so far remember this, I mean, this is big, WHO or WHAT could be "waiting" for the Foretellers in the current time for them to travel? it's so simple yet, it's the first time I see in this context the mention of the rules the in-game universe tell us. no wonder people joke the story is complex, we don't pay attention to details such as this
i think i have it figured out:
when ava and luxu met, he told her his role was just to watch because Luxu is from where MoM is from, hence why he is so special to him. i believe Luxu was the first person to unlock the power of waking, and the MoM used him to create his own agenda of time. Luxu having the power of waking is why he is the only one that has a mission that doesn’t involve “losing his body”. Ava’s prophecy must have stated to save sora, or something having to do with sora and the dandelions. Luxu’s must have been to switch bodies with Ava, which is why “her body” wasn’t left behind, because he used it. her heart was then put into his body, and when the dandelions floated away, she did too, forming the character of “Brain”, which is why he calls himself the “Virus” to THE “MoM” world, because he is actually the body of Luxu with the heart of Ava, and they are only focused on their soul mission. i believe that once the dandelion data world is destroyed all of them go back to their home world, which now has light again, but brain returns to their true homeworld, and this is harsh on his memory, just like ventus. It’s possible that Luxu is actually YoZora, with yozora obviously being able to use the power of waking but not understanding it, and with their deep connection to Sora being there because it is Ava’s heart, which is Kairi’s heart. she does only think to save sora, because this has always been her hearts prophecy. i think this is the ceremony that happens when terra imprints on Riku, with the opposite side being when Luxu steals bodies. so now, Luxu’s heart is here because he left behind his body to ava, but ava cant return because her heart is no longer connected to kairi right now. and her body is no longer hers in her memories.
Wow I Was Thinking The same thing you said it and did a video this is awesome .
But if kairi is ava and ava is darkness, how can kairi be a princess of heart in kh1?
soooo... they say you need a version of yourself in that time you wish to go, is there any chance that a corpse count as a "version of yourself"?
horrible, i know, but what if?
Honestly, my theory is that the reason Ava did not show up is because she is trapped in the Realm of Sleep. Hear me out for this one. We know that Ava's Role was to assemble the Dandelion's and send them to "another world" when the Keyblade War happened in order to keep the light alive. But how did she get them into the "other world" after the MoM disappeared? Easy answer, he showed her the Arks and taught her how to use them to send the Dandelion's to the Data Worlds, possibly even having her travel there herself to prove it works. She, in turn, taught this to Brain in case it was needed. Following this Ava joined the other Foretellers on the battlefield with her Union, but notice that they are the last ones to arrive? It's stated by Gula in Back Cover that Ava "always does the right thing". And yet, despite knowing that the Keyblade War - inevitable as it proved to be - was the wrong thing to do, Ava still showed up. Why? Because as much as she didn't want to fight, she couldn't abandon those of her Union who did. They relied on her as a leader, so she lived up to that Role. Then in the aftermath of the battle, rather than be somehow pulled forward in time, Ava allowed her Chirithy to pull her into the Realm of Sleep and fell into a Deep Slumber like what happened to Sora in Dream Drop Distance. Fast forward to know, and Ava has been in Slumber so long that Awakening her is going to be a process.
Ava and the Dandellions with a data backup of daybreak town or some portal to quadratum or unreality are inside the black box of the mom hence why he says Hope is inside the box the box is like a pocket dimension
I definitely think there's a connection between Ava and Kairi, but I'm not sure it is like the Luxu-Xigbar connection. Xigbar seems to have been aware all the time that he was Luxu and worked to carry out his role. On the other hand we see Kair as a small kid acting like a small kid would. If she had her memories of being Ava, then I imagine she would have acted more mature. She also wouldn't have needed to inherit a keyblade from Aqua by touching hers (although that whole process was farfetched, so maybe they'll retcon that into "She is a wielder because she was actually AVA all along), and if she was Ava, then why would Riku give her a keyblade to wield in KH2 instead of Kairi just summoning one earlier. After all, she travelled without a keyblade in an attempt to find Sora, and when confronted by Axel and Saix she didn't use a keyblade to fight back.
So yeah, I'm sure there's a connection, but I'm not sure it's a 1-to-1 connection of them actually being the same person
Like Ava being Kairi's ancestor?
@@davidtimmer596, that’s the theory I’m going with.
Late to the theory and more has occurred since but I'm throwing this out there.
They time traveled to the past which is KH3 epilogue.
This sounds really compelling, but you're going to have to define what "other versions" of them means. If this is supposed to involve reincarnation, we haven't heard about reincarnation in the series, so that feels like a stretch to me. Without assuming the existence of reincarnation, it would be impossible for the Foretellers to exist in the past if they were already characters who exist in the present. For example: We saw Riku as a very young child. We basically know when he was born. He can't time travel to a period before his own birth. So he can't be Ira. Same goes for the others.
I do, however, think it's totally possible that the Master made the Foretellers and based them on the appearance of strong keyblade wielders he saw in the future. Chirithy mentioned that the Master gave them their names, which is a peculiar detail. The way he set them up to clash with each other was like an experiment, possibly to test their hearts/humanness. Luxu, who was distinctly different from the Foretellers, was probably the Master's lab assistant, seeing as how it was his job to observe their behavior before departing Daybreak Town.
My theory assumes that artificial humans/hearts are a thing, which, I mean... Is that more possible than reincarnation? I don't know. lmao Maybe? We know that the Master can make Dream Eaters in a flask which is pretty big news. Maybe he can make people, too.
As for why Ava is missing... I think she's just Luxord now. (If not, then... ??? ?????? ???? ?? No idea. lol)
flagfighter interesting, I like it!
@@andybru Ha, thanks! I hope we're close to the truth.
Man, seeing this old comment makes me feel like I was clueless. I played Type-0 (formerly known as Agito XIII) and noticed that the Daybreak Town clock tower COMES FROM that game. It's about kids who fight in a war that repeatedly leads to the end of the world. MoM is clearly based on Jack - who looks like Demyx and has the same VA. He has 13 comrades, which is where I assume the "13 Darknesses" come from. The other Foretellers also match perfectly with other members of Class Zero. I don't even have to say who's who because it's obvious. You'll know.
I don't think that it explains everything because KH is clearly doing its own thing, like how it's impossible to know where they're going with Verum Rex even if it's very similar to Versus XIII and FFXV. BUT, I think that playing Type-0 made me feel like I understand what Nomura's going for. I don't feel like I'm totally in the dark anymore. (Unfortunately, I still don't know where Ava is right now. lol)
tl;dr - I expect them to take off their masks and look like Agito XIII characters. So yeah, I highly recommend playing Type-0. I haven't seen anyone make a video about this yet, which is crazy because this is the most hype theory evidence I've EVER seen.
The real Organization just needed their hearts sent forth and used replicas. Maybe Luxu did something similar.
What if Larxene’s final cutscene was about her secretly being in touch with Ava.( Organization members9-12 were chosen because they had Keyblade history) In the same segment of fights you fought Luxord who gave you a card. also no one see’s their ends Demyx,Luxord,Marluxia, and Larxene I feel have a bigger roll than they seem
London Crockett oooh interesting 🤔
He said she might be the only hope. What was in the box? "Hope"
Ava had her own mission and she carried it out
There’s a theory that Ava mirrors or represents Kairi and the Ending of Kingdom Hearts III makes sense as they are both gone or dead now. The other or the same theory says the Master of Masters’ keyblade would actually belong to Sora as the rest of the foretellers mirror the Wayfinder trio and the rest of Destiny Islands’ trio. Sora isn’t there with the foretellers before and after their formation which would also parallel the missing member and Sora being away from the group. If Sora really is him then not only will he save Kairi but he’ll also bring Ava back as well. Also would it also be possible for Sora to have Ephemer’s heart?
and ansem or xehanort released kairi into destiny islands an she was a kod that was experimented on as she has a pure heart of light an she was the key to start the whole process hence why she got sent to riki an sora.
It's awesome hearing a fellow fan with a PhD in Kingdom Hearts discussing time travel like a theoretical physicist xD
The thing about Ava's "mission" is that the term used for her Dandelions is always her "role". This is shown in the cutscene playing under you at 5:19. She's asked about the Dandelions and she says it is her role.
In the context of the Foretellers, their relation as a group is always referred to as their 'role' - Ira as the leader, Invi as the mediator, Aced as the second-in-command, Gula as the traitor-finder, and Ava to keep hope alive. These are not their 'mission'.
When Luxu says she had "her own mission", the implications of that are vastly different from when Aced asks him what his "role" was. Having her own mission is that she had one of her own choosing, not of the Master's (spoken) design for them. Which leads directly into the fact that she was the (unwitting) traitor.
As to the rules of time travel, the rules on that seem to be somewhat flexible, in that "a version of yourself" isn't always "yourself". Examples of this can easily be shown in 3D and 3 proper - Almost the entire group of True Organization members who traveled through time weren't themselves there when they arrived, they had died already. So what version of themselves was there? Well all their hearts were partially of Xehanort's, and Young Xehanort was there. But Sai'x isn't Xehanort, nor is Xigbar, Marluxia, etc. So it's pretty easy to deduce that at least a part of them in some way or another was there in the graveyard where they met - Potentially in Luxu, the No Name Keyblade, the Gazing Eye itself, or in the box Luxu was carrying.
As for their bodies, well, I would really doubt the theory about their millenia-old corpses being still viable for this event. We still haven't got a clue what's in the black box. Alternatively, the Foretellers are meant to be some of the most powerful Keyblade Masters in history, and, well, in KH1 Sora managed to get himself a new body by trading hearts with Kairi, even when he was just a Heartless, and his Nobody had already left him. And we can't pin that down to Ventus, coz his was still in Castle Oblivion at the time. If we're to argue it's because Kairi's special as a Princess of Heart, then couldn't we also argue that the Foretellers, with the amount of Lux they collected prior to the Keyblade War, and Luxu's travels and adventures, would qualify them as powerful or intelligent enough to be able to just make new bodies, or even pull theirs with them? Maybe that would be breaking the rules of time travel, but I'm pretty sure that there's some stipulations about it, since Young Xehanort was apparently given the power to time travel without these restrictions.
Mayhaps the black box contains a "digital world" similar to the one that KHuX intruded upon, and was an arc for the MoM/dandelions/foretellers to survive across worldlines? After all, they showed up after Kingdom Hearts did and further after Sora hopped across worldlines. The keyblade wielders from union cross didn't show up in the first worldline, perhaps because they had already jumped ship?
I just had a thought, who owned the Mansion in Twilight Town before Ansem the Wise? In KH2 it was the only place the had iconography of the Foretellers, and the basement could only be unlocked by interacting with such. We were told that some time before Diz took residence in there someone else did sketchy things in the basement, perhaps holding Subject X, but if so why did they decorate the place with Ira's symbol? Who knew of Ira in the modern era besides Luxu?
So I guess we have to keep in mind all the other keyblade wielders Ava has on standby and when/if they're gonna show up.
your theory falls apart when we remenber that the time travel from UX using the pods doesn't need another version of yourself, only a person with memories of you and something to you use to remake your body(like what maleficent did during KH2)
what if the foretellers remains are in the box. that's why they appear to Luxu.
absolutely no reasoning behind this. but what if ava was soras mom. i mean you only hear her voice for like 2 seconds in kh1. and other than that you don’t hear anything from her or about her. she could just be hiding from all this & what if part of her mission was to have sora...
sir with out a doubt ava is kiri she played a major part in this whole story like sora said his journey started reason being because of kiri I repeat because her of her being taken and my theory for the no name of the keyblade is the all seeing eye because the master of masters has been watching from a different realm being earth as things unravel
Maybe Ava is the one we heard Lea and Isa talk about the girl I don't know who , "The girl that is imprisoned in Ansem the wise lap and gone" my guess she have lost
So, I think all this evidence makes it kinda clear that Ava's mission (whether or not she knew she had it) would put her at risk
Is it just or is it the voice of MOM is different from how he talk to luxu? Does he have split personalities.
Matt Prado it’s definitely the same voice, but it is actually very interesting that MoM acts completely different around Ava compared to the rest of the foretellers. I actually bring that up in my most recent video!
I wonder if the foretellers hearts are in the box
Could Kairi literally be Ava? Maybe, she's been possessing Kairi for a while now, and the 'Kairi' that Sora knows has been Ava this whole time? That would be insane right?
Looks like sora had Kairi saved pretty quickly, sorta debunks this
I’m from the future the reason why the fortellers where able to travel to the future is because luxu remembered them and had memories of them just like maleficent came back in kh2 because of the fairies
While I like the idea of the Rebirth Theory, I say she was Subject X
But, "Darkness" said to maleficent There is another way to travel trough time. Watch Union X Cross
Ava = kairi
Hmmm what if Ava was Namine instead?
What If the girl that is waiting for yozora is ava
Gula being Ventus is a bit far fectched since he was in Union, unless.....and I mean unless, the leaders were reincarnated right at the end of the Keyblade War.
And I would believe it except Ventus doesn't have the same fighting style as Gula(Even though we never saw him fight in 3). And every keyblade wielder in Union has the same fighting style.
If the kairi thing is true, I may end up liking her after all.
At this point I really don’t think the Foretellers were reincarnated in the future. I think something else brought them there. Probably something that has to do with the box. Or maybe time travel can happen using different methods that we don’t know about yet. Either way, all we can say for sure is: it’s about to go down. Like damn things are gonna go crazy for Sora and the rest.
I am not really sure if I believe that they time traveled at all. I was kind of under the impression that they where resurrected. Or at lest something close to that. Ava likely doesn't need to be resurrected because she is still alive. It's not like being resurrected is new we just saw Sora do it seven times. Not counting Kairi because it is very debatable that she really died given remind.
Also I don't really believe foretellers are somehow the same people as some of our characters in present day theory. The only one that feels even close to the same is Aced and Terra and even then I really can't imagine Terra getting that upset at someone he should see as a little brother. If anything Ira has a lot more in common with Isa then with Riku, and not just because their names are one letter apart. So although I can see there being some connection between the present day characters and the foretellers it doesn't make sense to me for them to be the same people.
Now I don't really mind if time travel is the reason that they have come into the present story. I just think that simple resurrection made possible by Kingdom Hearts almost opening makes a lot more sense. I mean Luxu was also there the other time Kingdom Hearts was almost open in BBS. He was also one of the last Nobodies to be killed in KH2 and we know he and Axel are known for faking deaths. If Kingdom Hearts is also almost opened in DR and Luxu is there to see it then we will have to think that something about it opening was a thing that he wanted to witness. Most likely because it would allow him to resurrect his friends.
That doesn't make sense ventus was around in Union Cross. also the last page of the prophecy is states that the light would lose, Sora was never meant to rewrite time to fix it he was supposed to die at that point but his will was stronger and he rewrote history permanently changing the ending of the prophecy.
.. no i dont think Master Ava and Kirai r connected.. i think Master Ava is the traitor.. and left to do her own missions to stop either Luxu or MoMs...
Nope Luxu is confirmed the traitor. But she still my be plotting something.
@@TheKira708 u right still this theroy was wicked!!!
@@Mejo702 Oh yeah, I believe Ava did betray the master, because she’s still missing.
I thought ava was the first star sora finds in that other realm where chirathy had to help sora put himself together.
I was really hoping that she was but I wonder where she is
Gula seems like he isnt a fighter... Just like demyx, who kicked my ass back then in kh2.
Good times lol.
Making me think Bus waxer.
Master Ava is Missing and Sora Missing and and Riku and the all friends and Fireteller Coming soon
Gotta love Kairi giving Sora some hot upskirt action when she leads him back to before theyre all killed. Lolol Sora deserves it after so much work.
It’s Kairi
xion is skulds nobody. shes trapped in soras heart along with ventus. hence why she was used a subject X. sh was ultimately destroyed or killed which resulted her taking up refuge in soras heart. hence why she looks like why xion does.
Holy shit
Make's sens
i always thought that gula = sora ngl
There's something that always bothered me about the reincarnation theory
Pacifically about Riku and ira if Riku is a reincarnation of Ira then why is Ira's hair blue and not white
Like Riku
Ventus actually breaks this whole theory. Birth by sleep shows us that Kairi is a child. Ventus shows us that some how people from the past can come to the future without their memories which was also confirmed by skuld in secret reports. So although the foretellers are similar to other keyblade wielders in the present it doesn't mean that they are either versions which ground them or reincarnations.
But also ava was the traitor and she can shape ship and might be the darkness.
to time travel only memories are needed ie maleficent, also xion, namine? they are Kari and share her body and memory. memories create hearts ie replica riku. i see holes in your theory. its fun though!
I want to express my theory I hope everybody in the comments like it what if ava is kairi great great grandma what if ava gave birth to Kairi mom
Ok the final is wrong
Whata hell, ventus can't be a other version of Gula
Master Ava meet Sora and Kingdom hearts 3 go and to Kingdom hearts 4 and Sora connection to everyone and Foretller is the Key to a New War of Kingdom hearts yes Return Sora and Master Ava and Luxu and Master of Master and Yozora real mission was to protect Sora and Master Ava is Missing yes and Sora and Master Ava is Missing For Yozora true objective Return
Okay so I have a theory that ava and kairi are connected i mean look at ava keyblade im glad I'm not the only one who thought this and omg yes i have the same idea and theory about how each of them are connected to some of our 7 gardians of light.
So if I can't travel to sayyy...30 years from now, means my light expired before then 🙃
Gula can't be Ventus because he already existed that time
Meh. You had me until the end where you showed Gula = Ventus.
KAIRI AND AVA ARE *NOT* THE SAME PERSON. They are NOT related or connected in any way or form. There is now more knowledge on time travel in Kingdom Hearts now that KH Union X is complete.
Freaking time travel plots lol oh well the story is entertaining in it own way
i can tell you why kairi was the only one who died: square hates kairi, in the entire series she killed a total of 1 normal heartles (if you consider all the cutszenes) so they killed her.
she had 0 development since... ever.