That's why the quest called bedtime story. it's a story when we heard when still awake, yet it still goes on when we asleep. Though we don't remember it how it end. and don't know when it turn us to be dreaming
It also might be a reference to Clothar telling stories to Caribert when he was a bedridden hilichurl, and now Caribert is comforting the other hilichurls with a similar story
Kinda like those akasha terminals,but here you Don't need to have possession of it to have it,and it can work from anywhere. Honestly Man sumeru feels like complete mind games
I think the duality of Caribert being selfless when it came to comforting the hilichurls and being selfish in the bigger picture perfectly encapsulates his character. Because first and foremost, he is a child of Khaenri'ah. Of course he would care about his own cursed people rather than wonder about the Abyss Sibling's plans in using the Loom of Fate against the rest of the world. The gods had forsaken and even persecuted his homeland, while the other nations did not give a damn other than using them as an example in their history books, the sinners who defied the Heavenly Principles. Furthermore, he was a child when he basically died and his consciousness only matured in a virtual reality. Why would he consider the good of the world he never even knew? He only learned to care about Vimara Village because he became a part of that community through implanted memories. He is both selfless and selfish, as well as naive to the point of being ignorant; which makes him a great character for an NPC because he holds such depth that it makes him realistic and relatable.
Exactly! I love the chatacter of Caribert sooo much just bcz he had such a deep impressive humanity. Perhaps it's far less powerful than Archons, HP, Sinners etc, but w/o it the stories of Archons, HP, Sinners etc and our journey would definitely lose all of their meanings to a player like me.
Fun facts: According to soundtrack "Forest of Jnana and Vidya - Disc 1" Song title of Vimara Village Night Theme is *_Enchanting Bedtime Stories_* no wonder why they put entire quest within Vimara Village :)
@@I.disagree honestly i was thinking this before, but what if the sibling reuniting together would be the ultimate signal for the heavenly principles to reawaken, and until that doesnt happen, they wont awaken, and until than theyre just re-collecting power
1. Dain is back and went to buy milk for a year (or more) again 2. Caribert is handsome as f- and he's so pure, feels bad for him 3. F- YOU HOYO FOR DENYING US THE REUNITE TWO TIMES IN A YEAR 4. Also F- you Hoyo for the final image 9/10 quest, just wish it was longer
It's not caribert that's handsome it clothar. Because if I remember correctly he said he took the appearance of his father? ( I might be wrong I was so sleepy last night while playing this)
The picture at last isn't a memory that caribert left behind to the MC ,instead it's caribert weaving two different interactions of him with either siblings. Both siblings would only remember it as they've only met caribert ,while in reality,one of them haven't as they've met each other instead. This is the first usage of *LOOM OF FATE* in its lowest potential.
Fine then, because as far as I'm concerned, they were only at peace on that moment since outside of that time the Hilichurls were more aggressive than usual.
I understand why ppl dislike the whole memory erasure trope, but it just makes this quest even more tragic, and makes the story of the twins even more devastating and so well done. I hv a feeling that the writers did this due to mentioning ‘the sea of flowers at the end’ it’s definitely very endgame stuff and Traveler already knowing about this would be crazy, so allowing the player base to know but not the Traveler would be justified in my opinion! Also Caribert came in clutch with that photo, so thankfully the Traveler knows that we reunited just not the conversation that occurred. Also Lumine mentioned ‘you wanted to find a place in the universe where that one flower was in full bloom’ when taking about arriving in the sea of flowers, very interesting.. It’s definitely something to think about for sure 🤔
For me, I think the fact the Loom of Fate could "tamper" the Descender's memory means they operate in higher level than Irminsul already. Which is the most interesting piece of the quest imo outside of the lore drop. It opens up so many question and possibilites in the future in for sure
It's only tragic from the perspective of the player, unlike previous cases of memory erasure, this time literally noone knows the siblings met. I can't see why this was necessary, the new knowlage isn't something spoilery since they told us, the players, even the Sea of Flowers will prolly only make sense at the very end. This whole memory erasure only creates a dissonance between what the player knows and what the Traveler knows.
Haven't seen the full video yet but thank you!! Finally someone with the same thoughts as mine, i was wondering if i'm the only person who linked the memory thing with "the sea of flowers at the end", i also think the traveler realized something about it that we the players can't fully know, especially with their wish to find a place like that before they come to teyvat. And we already know from the travail trailer that it's end game stuff
Yeah I agree, the usage of the trope is important, here its not used to set back the characters knowledge since we didn't learn much honestly, its used more as an emotional hit. So its much more understandable of a use. Its sad. but its not setting us back god knows how long. It also helps that we only lose the memory of like a 10 minute long meeting instead of hours of progress.
the title of the quest "bedtime story" makes so much sense if u think about it. the twins reuniting in a "dream-like" setting then the traveler wakes up not remembering what their conversation was about but felt like something really happened is basically like us irl whenever we dream something but can't recall it once we wake up also the place the sibling told them is supposed to be the last destination of traveler's journey so remembering it won't make them feel the same joy/surprise as their sibling did
Bedtime stories usually occur when you're wake,and continue even after you sleep That's why you don't remember ananything about the bedtime story after you wake up
in my opinion, yes i agree that caribert was selfish to use the loom of fate solely for his goal and then let it be complete in the hands of someone he doesn’t rly know and that he has no idea what’ll be done with the loom, but also… why wouldn’t he be? he doesn’t care about the big picture plan- he died for the sake of it, and he is understandably resentful of that fact and so he wanted to experience living a normal life if even just through people’s memories. his ultimate goal was a selfless one too- to help and comfort other hillichurl after he experience the same mental anguish they all must be experiencing. i think this gives great nuance to his character instead of just being this puppet to the abyss who did what he was told bc he had no other choice- no, he used the loom of fate for his own desires which is way more, well, human. it sets up the idea that in times of conflict, people are nothing but pawns for those with more power to use for their own means, something that the abyss twin comments on when they talk about caribert with us. i like the idea of both celestia and the abyss order having very flawed methods of achieving their goals, however noble and “for the greater good” they think those goals may be
the thing that fucks me up is that basically Khaenri'ah themselves did it to themselves, they should hate the sinners instead, yes the HP did indeed attack Khaenri'ah, but Khaenri'ah did something to be attacked by them, doesnt make it better that one sinner told cariberts father to make the abyss order and the sibling being part of it. We Know that gold took part in it and now we know that all of them most likely did, so is it now HP fault for taking away cariberts life like the sibling wants to tell us or is it Khaenri'ah's sinners fault for starting shit?
@@LinUzumaki heavenly principles are shit to begin with. why punish and destroy all the people in khaenri'ah except the literal 5 people that "caused problems", and the problem is supposedly getting abyss power. imo it seems more like celestia and heavenly principles being tyrants that try to destroy and kill anyone that wants to gain the power to oppose them. dont forget the very beginning of teyvat as we know it is due to HP and celestia colonizing teyvat and beating the original inhabitants. hp and celestia has done precisely 0 good things as far as we know
@@LinUzumaki hmm yeah with what dain told us gives us the idea that Khaenri'ah did it to themselves, I think Lumine doesn't know who the sinners were. she was summoned and saw the destruction of Khaenri'ah, and joined Dain to travel but it ended after she met Clothar and Caribert and also the sinner. I think Dain failed to tell Lumine about the sinners and now Lumine acts as the princess of the abyss. (and i think she is being manipulated to execute the plans of these sinners) Her hatred towards HP is based on the destruction she saw right after she was summoned. Thats what I think.
They improved so much with the storytelling, Dainsleif and other characters' little facial expression change, Paimon EN Voice direction finally done right. So good.
Painons direction was always the right one. She is an annoying midget and VA portrays it perfectly. The problem is the existence of this character in the first place.
"When the twilight sword is prepared for battle, any army I send would only be marching to their doom...better that I face you alone" the most badass line in the game just for hoyo to offscreen the fight 💀. Maybe hoyo will animate it like the arlecchino animated short
I feel like they offscreened it just because they don't want to reveal anything about either Dain or the Abyss twin combat wise until it comes time to make Dain playable lol
I enjoyed the quest. SPOILER- A couple things I took from this quest: 1.) We knew Rhinedottir was a cause of the cataclysm, but now we "know" there were 5 sinners. Skirk name-dropped the first three while Dain just named the last two as well as identified the crystal, who was previously named by Skirk. Since they were name dropped, if we follow patterns, the other 2 have been referenced already somewhere and/or will be explained more in Natlan. 2.) There are parallels here of the abyss twin making the same "mistake" as Nibelung, Deshret, and the sinners by using the abyss. 3.) My theory is that Paimon is/is related to the Heavenly Principles. This makes us guided by the Heavenly Principles while our twin may be guided by the abyss.
Paimon is def related to heavenly principles but I don’t think that she’ll turn on traveler. Potential spoiler leak A genshin story dev said that they have a something planned for Paimon but it won’t have her betray us.
@@Ksquad-l4c Yeah, I don't expect any betrayal. I expect more of a revelation, even to Paimon. I think of it more as Paimon and us learning who she is as well as a reveal of the Heavenly Principles' intentions, which I would guess are actually well-intentioned.
OOOOR the reason why the heavenly principle is asleep because Paimon is still not awake - what I mean is Paimon is not only related to the heavenly principle but the heavenly principle herself, and the time she fully awaken is the time when the traveller finishes the journey and fully understands Teyvat. EDIT: what if, the Heavenly Principles will be awaken once the sinners resurface back to Teyvat. since they are the reason why their nation got destroyed. They used the power of the abyss AND this power might be the one they say "Forbidden Knowledge" that corrupts the people of Khaenri'ah and the whole Teayvat. 😮😮😮
I understand why bran thinks it's selfish, but something that I think he forgot in this moment was Caribert and Lumine are on the same side. The Loom of Fate had the power to change the world as you said, why would he not give it to the person fighting for people like him who was cursed? Why would he not give it to the person he trusted to do something about how they have been wronged? I think if I was part of an oppressed group, and I was handed a power like that, there's no one else I'd give it to but the person resisting that oppression. It was just a bonus that in the process, he was able to offer comfort to the ones who also suffered like he did. To him, he wasnt strong enough to wield the full power of the loom of fate, but he still tried to do something to the best of his abilities. Anyway, this was a short but sweet quest.
So what if Caribert helped complete the loom of fate and used it to achieve his selfless goal to ease the hilichurls suffering if for a moment. I believe he had every right since it was his life that was sacrificed so the loom of fate could come into existence. One way or another the loom of fate would have been completed anyways, regardless if he had a hand in it or not.
Why would Caribert care about being selfless or selfish when he knows he's already dead? Why not hand the Loom to one of the few people he knows will use it for _something_ , not just to keep it away?
"Sea of Flowers". Now why does that sound familiar? Oh right, way back then at the teaser for all regions. The final chapter, where we supposedly will fight Dainsleif after completing the journey. Literally on a place filled with flowers
1:03:03 i gotta disagree here, yeah caribert doesnt know exactly what's gonna be done, but he knows lumine will use it to go against celestia who in his perception took away the life he and countless others could have had. he probably hates celestia and knowing someone will use that weapon to attack celetia is probably more than enough reason to complete and hand over the weapon. celestia hasnt exactly done good on teyvat, taking it down is probably a good cause to him. it's selfish because he has a personal vendetta but it;s also not purely selfish 'cause he's helping take down who he sees as a bad guy. calling him dumb as fuck is a very questionable take imo.
i did the quest with Lumine, and for some reason, the role of the abyss twin fits aether a bit more in this quest, bcs hes the older brother and it just feels right
The picture at the end was most likely created with the completed Loom of Fate since it is implied to be able to affect the material world. Even Dain mentioned that the abyss order is not capable to affect the reall world """YET""" . Assuming this is true, I find it sweet that this world ending anti-celestia weapon was first used to materialize a photograph for a pair of lonely twins.
"even Dain mentioned that the abyss order is not capable to affect the real world, yet" demmmm so my theory has a strong chance to be correct. what if the sinners will use the loom of fate to surface back to Teyvat, only then, the Heavenly Principles will be awaken. 😱😱😱
The dain stuff aside, am i the only one who's first reaction was to ask nahida the moment memories were mentioned like i feel like they could have added nahida in there if this quest was a bit longer
1:13:00 I was also thinking about something like that, but I realize it a few seconds later in my playthrough because of this one thing. In the memory/dream, soon after Caribert is gone, Lumine phases through Aether. But at the end of the dream/memory, she put her hand on Aether's head and there's no blue sparkles like before, meaning she's actually touching him. The absence of Caribert is complete when they touch the 2nd time because the photo that we have is taken when they're still sitting together, and that is presumably the last thing he did. After that someone else had to be the conscience inside the Loom of Faith, and since Aether doesn't remember about these scenes, there was only one other person/conscience in that place at that time
Bruh, imagine youre in Caribert pisition, you are dead no, not event alive, you dont ve a chance to live, and you said he selfish? Heh all human bruh, ALL. He did that because was once a hilicurl too, he knew their pain and suffering more than everything. So why not become selfish even if the world being destroyed, who cares bruh, he and the hilicurl were suffering and not "living" anyway
I love Caribert, sorry he is not stupid or selfish like u said, i mean he literally HAD NO CHOICE. If he refuse then what? he will be disappear PERMANENTLY and the research will still continue with ANOTHER test subject / hilicurls
Idk what happened to Bran but he used to pay more attention to the story. He pays more attention to his viewers than the game sometimes. Caribert is the most selfless person we met so far.
i loveee caribert so much what a dynamic character they made. bro wanted to live so bad but was still shackled to his duty as a khaenri'ahn (idk if thats the right way to put it). even tho bro prolly didnt fully want to / need to, he still gave dain his memory of giving the eye to us. bro is the most perfect anti hero character ive seen it a while
Kaeya: “Khaenri'ah, huh? You sure know a lot! The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone. The sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning.” This is from one of Kaeya’s voicelines. And after 4.7 you realise: He knows who the sinners are and despises them the same way Dain does. The fact that this voiceline has been here since the beginning of the game is crazy and we are only discovering the context behind it now… Kaeya 100% knows more than he ever lets on, so him saying he doesn’t know much about Khaenri’ah in the previous Dain quest was a complete lie. And this quest just raised more questions into who Kaeya is: -Caribert died at 8 years old so Kaeya is not him nor is he descended from him. - Caribert’s appearance is based on what his father believed he would look like which is awfully similar to Kaeya with the dark blue hair and the single blue earring each of them wear on their left ear. (Pierro also wears a single blue earring on his left ear as well). -Dainsleif says the 5 sinners were the ‘hopes’ of Khaenri’ah. Kaeya is also called the ‘last hope’ so what does that make Kaeya?… Overall every Dain quest just gives us more questions to Kaeya, Khaenri’ah and his lore than answers.
People who get upset with this quest don't seem to understand how exactly the memory loss thing makes sense. I'll explain it in two simple points. 1.) Regarding the loss of memory in itself, it makes sense when you consider that Caribert's memory is held up by his own consciousness and looped around a false Irminsul, made by the loom of fate. If it were made by integrating his consciousness with the real Irminsul, then yes, the traveler would've remembered beyond the boundaries of the space. But since it was created with the help of the loom's false Irminsul, it causes the traveler to forget. People have tried to use the Scaramouche and Rukkhadevata things as an excuse to hate on this quest, but again, using a false Irminsul made with the loom of fate causes there to be a different understanding. 2.) Regarding the specifics of forgetting the reunion, but not Caribert, this is easy to explain. Caribert himself was the one channeling his consciousness through the false Irminsul, meaning that when he disappeared (i.e. before lumine got there), the traveler wouldn't remember anything following because the domain was already collapsing in on itself. Slowly but surely, the space was falling apart, and the abyss twin only had a little bit to talk with their sibling. This is also why they didn't drop any major lore here and chose to just sit and talk, because the abyss twin knew their sibling would forget. If it were longer, I would've liked it better, but for the lore drops and the fact that I get to feel smart, 9.5/10
To make it clear, Focalor's plan was not to fool the Heavenly Principle, but only to fool the Heavenly Principle's preordained verdict. It means that the Heavenly Principle casted a unescapable spell upon Fontainian's fate and the spell it self will be fulfilled whether or not the Heavenly Principle is looking at them. So even if the Heavenly Principles are "sleeping", the spell it self will still take effect. So what Focalor did was fooled the spell only and not the Heavenly Principle themselves. Also mean that Focalor knew that the Heavenly Principles were sleeping all along.
About the trust issue, He knew Lumine for a long time, she has access to Caribert Domain (she even helped his father showing a good impression, Lumine was even angry for Caribert sake at the end) through the time skip that we (Aether) was asleep even if he didn't knew what was her plan 100% at least he know she was not evil who would obliterated the world. That's why he agree to help her and he has his own objectives for the Lume of faith.
I agree with Bran's take on Caribert being selfish but not for the same reason. First of all, Caribert doesn't have any means of "holding" the Loom of Fate, he said it himself, he's just a very miniscule part of it, he doesn't even understand nor could he see the scope of its capabilities. He only has one goal for it and for him to be able to do that is to ask our sibling to complete the Loom so he did what he did...he needs to act fast too because his "individuality" is dissipitating (well based on what I understood) that's why he did what he did, he is selfish in that regard, he's not selfish for handing over a device he didn't even know or comprehend the full power of. He's pure and single minded, he just wants to give the Hillichurls comfort, he is selfish and not at the same time. Also it's not as if he can actually give the Loom to Aether, he can't even touch it, he can't exist on the outside world where the Loom exist, so I think him giving Lumine the ability to do that is the selfish part, for him, his wish is more important because that's the only thing he can do now...he's already dead anyway.
while he's selfish and that's very humane of Caribert lol, imagine you're forced being a construct of a project that you didn't sign up for, Caribert can do more fked up thing if he wanted to with near-complete Loom of fate but he choose not to and choose what his heart desires, Bran being angry about him being selfish is just dumb.
Here's the thing: Caribert is not in control...despite the fact that he is able to harness the power of the loom, he really is just a vessel...whose existence should have been gone long ago. He was only able to hold on to it for so long for his personal goal but it wouldn't change the out come. That being said: WITH or WITHOUT him, the Abyss twin or the abyss faction will complete the loom of fate, it is bound to happen. it just the matter of time or different means to aquire the eye from Dain... So Caribert really didnt have a choice. All he can do is just ride along and achive his own goal. Its not the matter of him being selfish or not
As Lumine, I got confused thinking that Caribert was actually Aether as the missing person, probably because I recalled the trailer. Seeing the hilichurls just chill like that, and then the Caribert speaking reminded me of Ena's Dream.
51:13 I translated this part it says "Farewell, Atossa. I apologize for making you know me unwillingly. Still, I don't wish you to forget me." That's why in the end, Atossa says she feels like she remembers Caribert saying that to her. (Idk if anyone will even find this comment)
Heavenly principles aren’t bad They are more gray rather than being bad Khaeri’ah was allowed to do anything but the sinners and the people of khaeri’ah wanted to get divine power and have a world where there were no gods and that’s why the heavenly principles attacked khaeri’ah. The heavenly principles let them do anything until that point and then the sustainer destroyed khaeri’ah
@@Pre4xes_ I mean if heaven wanted thay should have only defeated the great sinners but no thay destroyed an entire nation and punished people who have nothing to do with those sinners. But the fact is heaven only punished civilian people the great sinners are still alive and well with even greater power then before.
Sumeru text when we enter Caribert's realm: "Farewell atossa, I apologize For making you know me Unwilingly. Still.. i don't wish You to forget me." _~Alberich Caribert_
1:21:52 with Loom of Fate they can now make anything they want with playing or producing new Ley Lines. Like coding computer, Caribert coded this picture exists in Ley Line, therefore it is here in Traveller's hands
Dainsleif returns after what felt like years and then proceeds to drop a boulder-sized lorebomb onto us. Atleast Caribrt apologized for his actions which he admitted he's aware of were selfish, we never got an apology from Egeria for basically being responsible for the prophecy about the fall of Fontaine by rising sea-levels happening cause she had been too giving to the Oceanids who wanted soooo much more than these lives they were given by Egeria in the first place leaving Neuvillette and Focalors/Furina to clean up her mess.
The Sea of Flowers at the End is in the Travail trailer from 2020. That is huge end game stuff that HOYO has been planning since the beginning!! And also Caribert is the best!! No one can tell me otherwise 😢😢😢
I think this quest finally gave me confirmation on an issue I’ve been wondering about; how many hilichurls have we killed that were once former citizens of Khaenri’ah? Cuz Hilichurls were a monster species before the curse, so it’s not guaranteed that we’re harming innocents from Khaenri’ah. And whenever a quest highlights the cursed hilichurls, it’s usually in situations where we’re unable to hurt them, like how you can’t damage them in this quest. But we can kill Abyss Order enemies all the livelong day because they’re an antagonistic faction in the game, like regular monster hilichurls are. It’s like the distinction between the Fatui and the House of the Hearth, they’re linked but they don’t serve the same role in story and gameplay. Going forward, maybe cursed hilichurls will be peaceful, affected by Caribert’s actions in this quest, setting them apart from regular monster hilichurls.
So... purely speculation on my part, but I've been thinking about this for a while now - ever since we found out at the end of the Fontaine AQ what the gnoses were... "The remains" of the third descender, whom... we still not sure who it is, but we know we - the Traveler - are the fourth. Now... bear with me, what if... what if our Abyss sibling WAS the third descender, and what if the reason why they seem to resonate so well with the Abyssal energies/powers is because the balance of that - the light realm/all our elemental resonance was literally piecemeal removed from them and used by the Primodial One (the first) and Heavenly Principles (the second) to create the gnoses? I know the gnoses technically predate our arrival to Teyvat, but we already know that time is fluid in this world, and there's been timey-wimey stuff before (the Great Narukami Shrine's sakura tree) and there's been some speculation that there's some ability to manipulate space and/or time by the earlier descenders? AND it would explain why our sibling has been etched into Irminsul as belonging to this world - if the gnoses/elemental piece of them had gotten whisked back to near the start and embedded as part as an integral part of the world. And their remainder, the abyssal piece of them, is now the only remaining piece and therefore taken in by the Abyss, which we know predates Teyvat and existed in the world as the opposite of the light realm that the Dragons were part of. Anyway, this has just been circling my brain for a while now, and I'm probably COMPLETELY off/wrong, but I felt like I finally had to put this out there.
I like this theory. I am lowkey sure the Abyss twin is the third descender. Also, like, something I have noticed is that when the twins came to this world (I chose Lumine so I'll give Lumine's example), the flowers lumine wears on her head glowed white. After our traveller wakes up in Tevyat for the first time, the flowers were lightless, they didn't glow at all. Then when we resonated with the Anemo statue and got the power of Anemo, they glowed teal. Similarly, for each region, they glow the respective color of the element, orange for geo, purple for electro, blue for hydro. My theory was always that when we get to the end of the story, and are able to use all the elements, they'll glow white again, i.e., all our powers will be back. It also makes it look like the elemental powers really are a piece of our powers, split into seven parts. Maybe that's why the traveller doesn't even need a vision. I might be blabbering but it was just something that was on my mind for a long time. Also, I don't know if it's true or not, but do you think that our sibling died during their journey. I don't know why but I feel like our sibling died, and what we see is some bodily manifestation of their conscious or something or I don't know. I can also be entirely wrong.
And also, with this story quest, we kinda see how Lumine is not THAT evil as we originally suspected her to be. Maybe the only reason Dainslef wanted to stop her is because he didn't want her to get involved in a plan against the Heavenly Principle since it would probably be suicidal as fuck to do so, which explained why he doesn't wanna raised his sword against her but also can't go along with her probably suicidal plan against the Heavenly Principle. But I'm not talking for the entirety of the Abyss but only for Lumine, I mean... the Abyss is evil, but maybe Lumine plan on doing something that alter their plan in the end, maybe.
I mean, Dainsleif is probably worried that the Heavenly Principle might just turn Teyvat upside down, which is why he avoids provoking them and tries to hold the Abyss from doing so as well.
I have a huge feeling that the heavenly principles will wake up when we get to snezhnaya storyline..bcoz all the gnosis will be collected and we dont know what the tsaritsa will do with it..i also think that snezhnaya storyline will be the best out of all the archon quests in my opinion
Pretty much Celestia/heavenly principal has been asleep for 500 years probably because of the cataclysm Meaning, when she was fighting the twins, she was pretty much weaken and probably damaged , pretty much by the monsters from the abyss that came from Khaenri’ah, and after she sealed us away, which was the last of her power fell asleep and has been asleep for 500 years. It would explain why the Fatui are planning to attack Celestia, meaning they might be working with the abyss order because they both have grudge against Celestia. Which is why they’re attacking now , while they still can, but something tells me it’s not gonna work the way they think. I think the war is gonna happen in Natlan the fire nation or Pyro nation, all hell about to break loose literally. Because the heavenly principal is about to wake up.🤔🤔🤔🤔😱😱😱😱
Its a 9/10 quest..everything was perfect..if they would have added the cutscene for the fight between dain and lumine it would have been one of the best archon quests..but still enjoyed the archon quest..W hoyo
You probably don't want to get out that you aren't even a human in the first place, are probably some billions old, and now as well don't want to spread out that you are the 4th descender, given that the third was already murdered by Celestia.
"The Sea of Flowers at the End" reminded me of that scene from the Teyvat chapter storyline preview, where we see first Lumine with Aether, and then Aether (traveler) alone among the "sea" of flowers. I wonder if that is the place where it all actually ends? Because it was the end of the Abyss siblings' journey. But what will happen then? I guess we just need to wait a few years 😂
Not getting dain vs The abyss sibling in a cutscene was a terrible decision. Also the Memory forgetting bullshit is so stupid. This quest was good and so bad at the same time
After doing the quest, I wonder what is really the Loom of Fate? Is it a device, a machine, an ideology, an alien entity, a prophecy? We don't really know, as it is not much explained even by Caribert. Now that it's complete, by what degree will it affect between the siblings who are longing to be reunited but belonged on the complete opposite sides? The fact that this offset Traveler quest is the oxymoron of the "We Will Be Reunited" quest, makes it more dreadful than before. Almost, but still away, until the main reason is not solved or eradicated. As of now, only Nahida revealed the entity of the Traveler, and Skirk revealed a bit of past of the entity before the existence of the Traveler. It's either more revelations will be unfolded at Natlan, a hard truth at Snezhnaya, or a complete detail at Khaenri'ah (if it is showed as a independent arc). But in general sense, the Traveler quest is dark on its own. 😕 Edit PS: Regarding the five Sinners, they are actually hinted from Kaeya (entry IV). And connecting the dots, three of them caused trouble on Teyvat. Could be a possibility that these Sinners know something about Celestia, knowing the fact that no archon talks about them at all? 🤔
My guess is that the pieces that the 6 exceptional individuals are holding are similar to the gnosis. While the gnosis are the parts of the 3rd descenrder, the the one the Sinners + Dain is holding onto is probably the piece of Nibelung (after it got defeated a 2nd time). And together they can recreate the Dragon of the Abyss. In fact, I would go as far as to say that Dainsleif's piece is in the shape of a ring based on what we learned in the Pari world quest in sumeru where He was seen clutching a ring, immediately after the Khaenriah disaster. If this is true then We have the Fatui that gathers the gnosis to build their 3rd descender lego set, while the Sinner gang wants Dain to handover his piece to finish their Nibelung lego set.
Something i just noticed I don't know if anyone else already write this. But at 1:12:26 the travelers Name changed to Aether. Normally it is always the Name the Player gave, but not this time. I didn't even notice this when I played the quest myself!
The voice at the end of Inversion of Genesis did say to only trust what Traveler sees with their own eyes. So yeah kinda faire that everything u remember or don't remember could be manipulated.
It came to my mind after lumine said that the flower grew in teyvat, Lumine(abyss twin) is a part of this world according to irminsul but our sibling is not part of this world. Could it be that the twins originally came from teyvat but irminsul/the twins etc forgot for some reason that they came from teyvat but for some reason irminsul remembers our twin and made her part of the world again or something happened to our twin that made irminsul register our twin as part of this world. either way it's interesting how the flower that she has is located at teyvat and that they were searching for it on their journey but didn't found it the first time they travelled teyvat before they lost their powers.
Waitt if the leylines have the ability to "bring back" the dead and the loom of fate has the ability to create leylines, that would mean.... lumine wants to reenact the scenes of the khaenrian war or bring back the past.... idk just my theory
Also I thought that about the abyss sibling as well, what if she's someone who only exists in memories, but then I remembered that the abyss sibling has interacted physically with the traveler and with Dainslef as well. .... unless by the end of the story they're gonna turn themself into the Loom of Fate 😩 which I would hate tbh, I want the twins to reunite and to reconcile. To have the abyss sibling end up dead or something akin to that would crush me.
Wait... just imagine that collecting all the gnosis might result to the heavenly principle to be awaken lol that will be the Tsaritsa ultimate failure and will give the Fatui(Fools) a real meaning.
I definitely agree Caribert was selfish in the way that he accomplished his goal, and said 'damn the consequences'. Said goal was what redeemed him a little, but what he wanted in the end was to satisfy himself knowing he comforted the souls suffering like he did. He didn't work for the greater good, otherwise he would have been more careful about finishing the loom of fate, not knowing how it will be sued by our sibling. edit : I honestly have never misspelled used as sued...hope it doesn't start now
Plus, Caribert doesn't really know what to do with it, and as he said, he doesn't even belong to this world, so changing stuff is undeserved for him. The final wish for him is to literally comfort other Hilichurl, like his father did to him back then. What I want to say is, I don't think he can do anything about the plan, nor has the power to manipulate the Loom of Fate itself. He struggled to even make the subconscious space, so I don't know if he's able to do anything more than manipulating simple memories, and sending out voices to the hilichurls
@@Josette274 the whole world or just celestia? i would bet good money that he knows the loom of fate is gonna be used against celestia and heavenly principles considering that's what abyss order and lumine has been working toward for hundreds of years
That's why the quest called bedtime story. it's a story when we heard when still awake, yet it still goes on when we asleep. Though we don't remember it how it end. and don't know when it turn us to be dreaming
damnnn
Absolute cinema
It also might be a reference to Clothar telling stories to Caribert when he was a bedridden hilichurl, and now Caribert is comforting the other hilichurls with a similar story
... what
Kinda like those akasha terminals,but here you Don't need to have possession of it to have it,and it can work from anywhere.
Honestly Man sumeru feels like complete mind games
I think the duality of Caribert being selfless when it came to comforting the hilichurls and being selfish in the bigger picture perfectly encapsulates his character. Because first and foremost, he is a child of Khaenri'ah. Of course he would care about his own cursed people rather than wonder about the Abyss Sibling's plans in using the Loom of Fate against the rest of the world. The gods had forsaken and even persecuted his homeland, while the other nations did not give a damn other than using them as an example in their history books, the sinners who defied the Heavenly Principles. Furthermore, he was a child when he basically died and his consciousness only matured in a virtual reality. Why would he consider the good of the world he never even knew? He only learned to care about Vimara Village because he became a part of that community through implanted memories. He is both selfless and selfish, as well as naive to the point of being ignorant; which makes him a great character for an NPC because he holds such depth that it makes him realistic and relatable.
Exactly! I love the chatacter of Caribert sooo much just bcz he had such a deep impressive humanity. Perhaps it's far less powerful than Archons, HP, Sinners etc, but w/o it the stories of Archons, HP, Sinners etc and our journey would definitely lose all of their meanings to a player like me.
Fun facts:
According to soundtrack "Forest of Jnana and Vidya - Disc 1"
Song title of Vimara Village Night Theme is *_Enchanting Bedtime Stories_*
no wonder why they put entire quest within Vimara Village :)
omg you're right i didn't think of that!!
We were almost reunited.
I feel like the siblings have a curse that's preventing them from prolonged contact, Celestia does love their curses
@@I.disagree
Imagine the Archons turning on the Heavenly Principles, that would be nice
@@I.disagree honestly i was thinking this before, but what if the sibling reuniting together would be the ultimate signal for the heavenly principles to reawaken, and until that doesnt happen, they wont awaken, and until than theyre just re-collecting power
watch john mihoyo reunite the siblings by having to pull for the one you didn't choose
1. Dain is back and went to buy milk for a year (or more) again
2. Caribert is handsome as f- and he's so pure, feels bad for him
3. F- YOU HOYO FOR DENYING US THE REUNITE TWO TIMES IN A YEAR
4. Also F- you Hoyo for the final image
9/10 quest, just wish it was longer
Yeah i also show affection in the same way to hoyo 😅
It's not caribert that's handsome it clothar. Because if I remember correctly he said he took the appearance of his father? ( I might be wrong I was so sleepy last night while playing this)
@@MiraLynnnhe said he based his appearance on his father and looks like what he imagined himself to look like as an adult
@@hannahameling4303 Thanks
Bro was so handsome then I remembered he’s like 8 😭
The picture at last isn't a memory that caribert left behind to the MC ,instead it's caribert weaving two different interactions of him with either siblings.
Both siblings would only remember it as they've only met caribert ,while in reality,one of them haven't as they've met each other instead.
This is the first usage of *LOOM OF FATE* in its lowest potential.
Caribert is the GOAT, you can't argue otherwise. If you did try to argue, argue with the wall.
The wall would be smarter than a genshin player
@@keyboardwarrior8905honestly yes
Fine then, because as far as I'm concerned, they were only at peace on that moment since outside of that time the Hilichurls were more aggressive than usual.
@@keyboardwarrior8905that isn't saying much because majority of genshin players are weebs and well u know the reputation of weebs .
One of the best written characters
I understand why ppl dislike the whole memory erasure trope, but it just makes this quest even more tragic, and makes the story of the twins even more devastating and so well done. I hv a feeling that the writers did this due to mentioning ‘the sea of flowers at the end’ it’s definitely very endgame stuff and Traveler already knowing about this would be crazy, so allowing the player base to know but not the Traveler would be justified in my opinion! Also Caribert came in clutch with that photo, so thankfully the Traveler knows that we reunited just not the conversation that occurred. Also Lumine mentioned ‘you wanted to find a place in the universe where that one flower was in full bloom’ when taking about arriving in the sea of flowers, very interesting.. It’s definitely something to think about for sure 🤔
For me, I think the fact the Loom of Fate could "tamper" the Descender's memory means they operate in higher level than Irminsul already. Which is the most interesting piece of the quest imo outside of the lore drop.
It opens up so many question and possibilites in the future in for sure
It's only tragic from the perspective of the player, unlike previous cases of memory erasure, this time literally noone knows the siblings met. I can't see why this was necessary, the new knowlage isn't something spoilery since they told us, the players, even the Sea of Flowers will prolly only make sense at the very end. This whole memory erasure only creates a dissonance between what the player knows and what the Traveler knows.
Haven't seen the full video yet but thank you!! Finally someone with the same thoughts as mine, i was wondering if i'm the only person who linked the memory thing with "the sea of flowers at the end", i also think the traveler realized something about it that we the players can't fully know, especially with their wish to find a place like that before they come to teyvat. And we already know from the travail trailer that it's end game stuff
I think that memory wipe is necessary because of the sea of flowers that Lumine have seen
Maybe the real identities of the twins are related to Teyvat
Yeah I agree, the usage of the trope is important, here its not used to set back the characters knowledge since we didn't learn much honestly, its used more as an emotional hit. So its much more understandable of a use. Its sad. but its not setting us back god knows how long. It also helps that we only lose the memory of like a 10 minute long meeting instead of hours of progress.
the title of the quest "bedtime story" makes so much sense if u think about it. the twins reuniting in a "dream-like" setting then the traveler wakes up not remembering what their conversation was about but felt like something really happened is basically like us irl whenever we dream something but can't recall it once we wake up
also the place the sibling told them is supposed to be the last destination of traveler's journey so remembering it won't make them feel the same joy/surprise as their sibling did
Bedtime stories usually occur when you're wake,and continue even after you sleep
That's why you don't remember ananything about the bedtime story after you wake up
in my opinion, yes i agree that caribert was selfish to use the loom of fate solely for his goal and then let it be complete in the hands of someone he doesn’t rly know and that he has no idea what’ll be done with the loom, but also… why wouldn’t he be? he doesn’t care about the big picture plan- he died for the sake of it, and he is understandably resentful of that fact and so he wanted to experience living a normal life if even just through people’s memories. his ultimate goal was a selfless one too- to help and comfort other hillichurl after he experience the same mental anguish they all must be experiencing. i think this gives great nuance to his character instead of just being this puppet to the abyss who did what he was told bc he had no other choice- no, he used the loom of fate for his own desires which is way more, well, human. it sets up the idea that in times of conflict, people are nothing but pawns for those with more power to use for their own means, something that the abyss twin comments on when they talk about caribert with us. i like the idea of both celestia and the abyss order having very flawed methods of achieving their goals, however noble and “for the greater good” they think those goals may be
exactly!!! tbh this dude is the first person i see that calls Caribert selfish ... wtf.
And he died at 8 years old
the thing that fucks me up is that basically Khaenri'ah themselves did it to themselves, they should hate the sinners instead, yes the HP did indeed attack Khaenri'ah, but Khaenri'ah did something to be attacked by them, doesnt make it better that one sinner told cariberts father to make the abyss order and the sibling being part of it. We Know that gold took part in it and now we know that all of them most likely did, so is it now HP fault for taking away cariberts life like the sibling wants to tell us or is it Khaenri'ah's sinners fault for starting shit?
@@LinUzumaki heavenly principles are shit to begin with. why punish and destroy all the people in khaenri'ah except the literal 5 people that "caused problems", and the problem is supposedly getting abyss power. imo it seems more like celestia and heavenly principles being tyrants that try to destroy and kill anyone that wants to gain the power to oppose them. dont forget the very beginning of teyvat as we know it is due to HP and celestia colonizing teyvat and beating the original inhabitants. hp and celestia has done precisely 0 good things as far as we know
@@LinUzumaki hmm yeah with what dain told us gives us the idea that Khaenri'ah did it to themselves, I think Lumine doesn't know who the sinners were.
she was summoned and saw the destruction of Khaenri'ah, and joined Dain to travel but it ended after she met Clothar and Caribert and also the sinner. I think Dain failed to tell Lumine about the sinners and now Lumine acts as the princess of the abyss. (and i think she is being manipulated to execute the plans of these sinners)
Her hatred towards HP is based on the destruction she saw right after she was summoned.
Thats what I think.
They improved so much with the storytelling, Dainsleif and other characters' little facial expression change, Paimon EN Voice direction finally done right. So good.
I LOVE how much new animations they added in this quest, it made the characters so much more expressive
But the yawning 🥲 i can feel my eardrum shakin with my earphones on
Painons direction was always the right one. She is an annoying midget and VA portrays it perfectly. The problem is the existence of this character in the first place.
This actual story quest tho was garbage
@@angelduarte4202 Why do you think it's garbage tho?
"When the twilight sword is prepared for battle, any army I send would only be marching to their doom...better that I face you alone" the most badass line in the game just for hoyo to offscreen the fight 💀.
Maybe hoyo will animate it like the arlecchino animated short
All the budget went to Clorinde D&D session instead (which is fire, ngl)
Imagine how strong dain is if abyss sibling only beat him cuz he was holding back
I feel like they offscreened it just because they don't want to reveal anything about either Dain or the Abyss twin combat wise until it comes time to make Dain playable lol
They probably don't wanna spoil Lumine's and Dainsleif's powers. Which makes sense but getting a proper cutscene of this fight would have been amazing
@@Ksquad-l4cexactly why I believe Dain is the Final Boss
7 archons, dragons
6siners pignin
5 sinners
4 shades ,descenders
3 moon sisters
2? (siblings???)
1?(primodial one???)
can 2 be like siblings something
It's 6 archons now
@HashiNuke
7 sovereigns
6 archons
5 sinners
4 shades
3 moons sisters
2 travelers
1 Primordial
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Sinner? I hardly know her
0 primos
I enjoyed the quest. SPOILER- A couple things I took from this quest:
1.) We knew Rhinedottir was a cause of the cataclysm, but now we "know" there were 5 sinners. Skirk name-dropped the first three while Dain just named the last two as well as identified the crystal, who was previously named by Skirk. Since they were name dropped, if we follow patterns, the other 2 have been referenced already somewhere and/or will be explained more in Natlan.
2.) There are parallels here of the abyss twin making the same "mistake" as Nibelung, Deshret, and the sinners by using the abyss.
3.) My theory is that Paimon is/is related to the Heavenly Principles. This makes us guided by the Heavenly Principles while our twin may be guided by the abyss.
Paimon is def related to heavenly principles but I don’t think that she’ll turn on traveler.
Potential spoiler leak
A genshin story dev said that they have a something planned for Paimon but it won’t have her betray us.
@@Ksquad-l4c Yeah, I don't expect any betrayal. I expect more of a revelation, even to Paimon. I think of it more as Paimon and us learning who she is as well as a reveal of the Heavenly Principles' intentions, which I would guess are actually well-intentioned.
OOOOR the reason why the heavenly principle is asleep because Paimon is still not awake - what I mean is Paimon is not only related to the heavenly principle but the heavenly principle herself, and the time she fully awaken is the time when the traveller finishes the journey and fully understands Teyvat.
EDIT: what if, the Heavenly Principles will be awaken once the sinners resurface back to Teyvat. since they are the reason why their nation got destroyed. They used the power of the abyss AND this power might be the one they say "Forbidden Knowledge" that corrupts the people of Khaenri'ah and the whole Teayvat. 😮😮😮
@@Ksquad-l4c more than likely it's Honkai Impact's graduation trip all over again
More specifically, Paimon will be sacrificed for us to ascend
*"I promise i'm not crying, my face is just sweating"*
It’s ok bestie, I cried !! 😭😭😭😂
I cried so much. For caribert, for the siblings...
I understand why bran thinks it's selfish, but something that I think he forgot in this moment was Caribert and Lumine are on the same side. The Loom of Fate had the power to change the world as you said, why would he not give it to the person fighting for people like him who was cursed? Why would he not give it to the person he trusted to do something about how they have been wronged? I think if I was part of an oppressed group, and I was handed a power like that, there's no one else I'd give it to but the person resisting that oppression. It was just a bonus that in the process, he was able to offer comfort to the ones who also suffered like he did. To him, he wasnt strong enough to wield the full power of the loom of fate, but he still tried to do something to the best of his abilities.
Anyway, this was a short but sweet quest.
Also, one thing Im glad that paimon's voice is a little closer to how it was at the beginning of the game lol
HoYo definitely writes the most wholesome stories! My heart was definitely not broken after this quest! 😭
SH SH SH SH SH SH!!! DO NOT JINX GENSHIN WITH THAT WORD!!!
That line is very Shaoji-coded
@@kuyarence so much Shaoji that one look excuse that daily pigeon massacre for Shaoji brainrot
So what if Caribert helped complete the loom of fate and used it to achieve his selfless goal to ease the hilichurls suffering if for a moment. I believe he had every right since it was his life that was sacrificed so the loom of fate could come into existence. One way or another the loom of fate would have been completed anyways, regardless if he had a hand in it or not.
Calibert overheard Lumine telling Aether that they won’t remember their conversation and went “fuck that.” 1:21:54
Why would Caribert care about being selfless or selfish when he knows he's already dead?
Why not hand the Loom to one of the few people he knows will use it for _something_ , not just to keep it away?
23:22 "Rächer" is not a name. It's more like a title; it means "avenger" in German.
The entire racher of solbari is a tittle just lime the visionary is a tittle
But tittles can be referred as name too .
the "if that were the case, i would hug you too" AND THE TOUCH ON THE ABYSS SIBLINGS FACE AND THEN FADING THROUGH GOT ME
"Sea of Flowers". Now why does that sound familiar? Oh right, way back then at the teaser for all regions. The final chapter, where we supposedly will fight Dainsleif after completing the journey. Literally on a place filled with flowers
Why is Hoyoverse so ingenious. And they use that to make depressing shit. 😢
I loved that I noticed the 2 dolls in the tree of atossa and caribert
1:03:03 i gotta disagree here, yeah caribert doesnt know exactly what's gonna be done, but he knows lumine will use it to go against celestia who in his perception took away the life he and countless others could have had. he probably hates celestia and knowing someone will use that weapon to attack celetia is probably more than enough reason to complete and hand over the weapon. celestia hasnt exactly done good on teyvat, taking it down is probably a good cause to him. it's selfish because he has a personal vendetta but it;s also not purely selfish 'cause he's helping take down who he sees as a bad guy. calling him dumb as fuck is a very questionable take imo.
Damn, the soundtrack inside Caribert's consciousness is something though. Can't wait for Hoyo-mix to release another album.
i did the quest with Lumine, and for some reason, the role of the abyss twin fits aether a bit more in this quest, bcs hes the older brother and it just feels right
The picture at the end was most likely created with the completed Loom of Fate since it is implied to be able to affect the material world. Even Dain mentioned that the abyss order is not capable to affect the reall world """YET""" .
Assuming this is true, I find it sweet that this world ending anti-celestia weapon was first used to materialize a photograph for a pair of lonely twins.
"even Dain mentioned that the abyss order is not capable to affect the real world, yet"
demmmm so my theory has a strong chance to be correct. what if the sinners will use the loom of fate to surface back to Teyvat, only then, the Heavenly Principles will be awaken. 😱😱😱
The dain stuff aside, am i the only one who's first reaction was to ask nahida the moment memories were mentioned like i feel like they could have added nahida in there if this quest was a bit longer
I'm pretty certain Dain stored the eye inbetween his ginormous balls of steel
Not just the sinners do not tryed to protect Khaenri'ah but in fact "Gold " Rhinedottir was the one who caused it.
It's still theory
1:13:00
I was also thinking about something like that, but I realize it a few seconds later in my playthrough because of this one thing.
In the memory/dream, soon after Caribert is gone, Lumine phases through Aether. But at the end of the dream/memory, she put her hand on Aether's head and there's no blue sparkles like before, meaning she's actually touching him.
The absence of Caribert is complete when they touch the 2nd time because the photo that we have is taken when they're still sitting together, and that is presumably the last thing he did. After that someone else had to be the conscience inside the Loom of Faith, and since Aether doesn't remember about these scenes, there was only one other person/conscience in that place at that time
I can't wait to see all the new Ashikai theories about the new information (It's ASTOUNDING)
Bruh, imagine youre in Caribert pisition, you are dead no, not event alive, you dont ve a chance to live, and you said he selfish? Heh all human bruh, ALL. He did that because was once a hilicurl too, he knew their pain and suffering more than everything. So why not become selfish even if the world being destroyed, who cares bruh, he and the hilicurl were suffering and not "living" anyway
Thank you. I want to say this but I don’t know how (my english is not good enough for me to explain thing) 😅
yes yess!!! the first person i see to call Caribert selfish ... bro wtf
@@izzahzemino9436 haha, me too. But well, i cant stop my finger 😅 it just too much
@@amina-nt2tw well i get his point, but for me, he might forgot something. Feelings and PoV
Dain should be tied down next time to stop him disappearing. Absolutely beautiful music in this quest. I felt so sad for the poor traveller...
I love Caribert, sorry he is not stupid or selfish like u said, i mean he literally HAD NO CHOICE.
If he refuse then what? he will be disappear PERMANENTLY and the research will still continue with ANOTHER test subject / hilicurls
yes!! its so stupid to say that about him,wtf should he do? he has no choice. bro have a way to ruin the moment.
Idk what happened to Bran but he used to pay more attention to the story. He pays more attention to his viewers than the game sometimes. Caribert is the most selfless person we met so far.
@@Nyaahahaha I'm not sure about "selfless". There's a few that are more selfless than Caribert
i loveee caribert so much what a dynamic character they made. bro wanted to live so bad but was still shackled to his duty as a khaenri'ahn (idk if thats the right way to put it). even tho bro prolly didnt fully want to / need to, he still gave dain his memory of giving the eye to us. bro is the most perfect anti hero character ive seen it a while
Caribert is my best buddy now. Must have a ragdoll or plushie so i can read bedtime stories to him stat.
My reaction when I saw Caribert for the first time, was.
"He looks like a mix of Chlothar and Keaya!"
Who else?
The Alberich genes
"What's the point?" That was the exact dame thing i asked after she said we'd forget the reunion
Kaeya: “Khaenri'ah, huh? You sure know a lot! The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone. The sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning.”
This is from one of Kaeya’s voicelines. And after 4.7 you realise:
He knows who the sinners are and despises them the same way Dain does.
The fact that this voiceline has been here since the beginning of the game is crazy and we are only discovering the context behind it now…
Kaeya 100% knows more than he ever lets on, so him saying he doesn’t know much about Khaenri’ah in the previous Dain quest was a complete lie. And this quest just raised more questions into who Kaeya is:
-Caribert died at 8 years old so Kaeya is not him nor is he descended from him.
- Caribert’s appearance is based on what his father believed he would look like which is awfully similar to Kaeya with the dark blue hair and the single blue earring each of them wear on their left ear. (Pierro also wears a single blue earring on his left ear as well).
-Dainsleif says the 5 sinners were the ‘hopes’ of Khaenri’ah. Kaeya is also called the ‘last hope’ so what does that make Kaeya?…
Overall every Dain quest just gives us more questions to Kaeya, Khaenri’ah and his lore than answers.
People who get upset with this quest don't seem to understand how exactly the memory loss thing makes sense. I'll explain it in two simple points.
1.) Regarding the loss of memory in itself, it makes sense when you consider that Caribert's memory is held up by his own consciousness and looped around a false Irminsul, made by the loom of fate. If it were made by integrating his consciousness with the real Irminsul, then yes, the traveler would've remembered beyond the boundaries of the space. But since it was created with the help of the loom's false Irminsul, it causes the traveler to forget. People have tried to use the Scaramouche and Rukkhadevata things as an excuse to hate on this quest, but again, using a false Irminsul made with the loom of fate causes there to be a different understanding.
2.) Regarding the specifics of forgetting the reunion, but not Caribert, this is easy to explain. Caribert himself was the one channeling his consciousness through the false Irminsul, meaning that when he disappeared (i.e. before lumine got there), the traveler wouldn't remember anything following because the domain was already collapsing in on itself. Slowly but surely, the space was falling apart, and the abyss twin only had a little bit to talk with their sibling. This is also why they didn't drop any major lore here and chose to just sit and talk, because the abyss twin knew their sibling would forget.
If it were longer, I would've liked it better, but for the lore drops and the fact that I get to feel smart, 9.5/10
Handing the loom is not selfish in any way.... it is naive, but thats as far as it goes.
To make it clear, Focalor's plan was not to fool the Heavenly Principle, but only to fool the Heavenly Principle's preordained verdict. It means that the Heavenly Principle casted a unescapable spell upon Fontainian's fate and the spell it self will be fulfilled whether or not the Heavenly Principle is looking at them. So even if the Heavenly Principles are "sleeping", the spell it self will still take effect. So what Focalor did was fooled the spell only and not the Heavenly Principle themselves. Also mean that Focalor knew that the Heavenly Principles were sleeping all along.
About the trust issue, He knew Lumine for a long time, she has access to Caribert Domain (she even helped his father showing a good impression, Lumine was even angry for Caribert sake at the end) through the time skip that we (Aether) was asleep even if he didn't knew what was her plan 100% at least he know she was not evil who would obliterated the world. That's why he agree to help her and he has his own objectives for the Lume of faith.
I agree with Bran's take on Caribert being selfish but not for the same reason.
First of all, Caribert doesn't have any means of "holding" the Loom of Fate, he said it himself, he's just a very miniscule part of it, he doesn't even understand nor could he see the scope of its capabilities. He only has one goal for it and for him to be able to do that is to ask our sibling to complete the Loom so he did what he did...he needs to act fast too because his "individuality" is dissipitating (well based on what I understood) that's why he did what he did, he is selfish in that regard, he's not selfish for handing over a device he didn't even know or comprehend the full power of.
He's pure and single minded, he just wants to give the Hillichurls comfort, he is selfish and not at the same time. Also it's not as if he can actually give the Loom to Aether, he can't even touch it, he can't exist on the outside world where the Loom exist, so I think him giving Lumine the ability to do that is the selfish part, for him, his wish is more important because that's the only thing he can do now...he's already dead anyway.
while he's selfish and that's very humane of Caribert lol, imagine you're forced being a construct of a project that you didn't sign up for, Caribert can do more fked up thing if he wanted to with near-complete Loom of fate but he choose not to and choose what his heart desires, Bran being angry about him being selfish is just dumb.
@@mailsibul yeah I agree with that, I don't get his anger/annoyance towards Caribert being selfish in order to fulfill a selfless wish.
Caribert didn't do anything harmful with the Loom of Fate, but he had a hand in progressing it's completion. I guess that's why
After 84 years of buying milk, dainsleif is back and still as cool as ever 🗿✨
Here's the thing: Caribert is not in control...despite the fact that he is able to harness the power of the loom, he really is just a vessel...whose existence should have been gone long ago. He was only able to hold on to it for so long for his personal goal but it wouldn't change the out come. That being said: WITH or WITHOUT him, the Abyss twin or the abyss faction will complete the loom of fate, it is bound to happen. it just the matter of time or different means to aquire the eye from Dain... So Caribert really didnt have a choice. All he can do is just ride along and achive his own goal. Its not the matter of him being selfish or not
As Lumine, I got confused thinking that Caribert was actually Aether as the missing person, probably because I recalled the trailer.
Seeing the hilichurls just chill like that, and then the Caribert speaking reminded me of Ena's Dream.
51:13 I translated this part it says "Farewell, Atossa. I apologize for making you know me unwillingly. Still, I don't wish you to forget me."
That's why in the end, Atossa says she feels like she remembers Caribert saying that to her.
(Idk if anyone will even find this comment)
Even after all of this, I still don't think the Heavenly Principles is bad.
Heavenly principles aren’t bad
They are more gray rather than being bad
Khaeri’ah was allowed to do anything but the sinners and the people of khaeri’ah wanted to get divine power and have a world where there were no gods and that’s why the heavenly principles attacked khaeri’ah. The heavenly principles let them do anything until that point and then the sustainer destroyed khaeri’ah
You probably watched too much dawit's video
@@Pre4xes_ I mean if heaven wanted thay should have only defeated the great sinners but no thay destroyed an entire nation and punished people who have nothing to do with those sinners.
But the fact is heaven only punished civilian people the great sinners are still alive and well with even greater power then before.
@@The_original_one man how did you know
@@Pre4xes_ from the quest?
I love the person in the chat who said: "plot twist his name is villager". Genius!! LOL
I can smell the ashikai video comin'... "The smell of malted brains in the morning"
Bran uploading a masterpiece on my birthday definitely a gift for being your subscriber:D
Sumeru text when we enter Caribert's realm:
"Farewell atossa,
I apologize
For making you know me
Unwilingly.
Still.. i don't wish
You to forget me."
_~Alberich Caribert_
this is my 5th time witnessing this quest. (my own run, watched thejonathon, jihyorge, rintaichou, now bran)
i can't move on from this 😭😭
Yep 🥲 the story really hits at last
1:21:52 with Loom of Fate they can now make anything they want with playing or producing new Ley Lines. Like coding computer, Caribert coded this picture exists in Ley Line, therefore it is here in Traveller's hands
Dainsleif returns after what felt like years and then proceeds to drop a boulder-sized lorebomb onto us. Atleast Caribrt apologized for his actions which he admitted he's aware of were selfish, we never got an apology from Egeria for basically being responsible for the prophecy about the fall of Fontaine by rising sea-levels happening cause she had been too giving to the Oceanids who wanted soooo much more than these lives they were given by Egeria in the first place leaving Neuvillette and Focalors/Furina to clean up her mess.
the amount of Kaveh spam in the chat made me laugh so much🤣
The chat at the beginning saying that Kaveh is the missing person is killing me
we were reunited, we was reunited, we what reunited?
The Sea of Flowers at the End is in the Travail trailer from 2020. That is huge end game stuff that HOYO has been planning since the beginning!! And also Caribert is the best!! No one can tell me otherwise 😢😢😢
I think this quest finally gave me confirmation on an issue I’ve been wondering about; how many hilichurls have we killed that were once former citizens of Khaenri’ah? Cuz Hilichurls were a monster species before the curse, so it’s not guaranteed that we’re harming innocents from Khaenri’ah. And whenever a quest highlights the cursed hilichurls, it’s usually in situations where we’re unable to hurt them, like how you can’t damage them in this quest. But we can kill Abyss Order enemies all the livelong day because they’re an antagonistic faction in the game, like regular monster hilichurls are. It’s like the distinction between the Fatui and the House of the Hearth, they’re linked but they don’t serve the same role in story and gameplay. Going forward, maybe cursed hilichurls will be peaceful, affected by Caribert’s actions in this quest, setting them apart from regular monster hilichurls.
14:48 wha-- I didn't even see those dolls in the tree when I played it a couple days ago! Holy cow Bran has sharp eyes
I've never been this early to a Bran video! Cheers!
Also, Hoyo did the siblings dirty!
So... purely speculation on my part, but I've been thinking about this for a while now - ever since we found out at the end of the Fontaine AQ what the gnoses were... "The remains" of the third descender, whom... we still not sure who it is, but we know we - the Traveler - are the fourth.
Now... bear with me, what if... what if our Abyss sibling WAS the third descender, and what if the reason why they seem to resonate so well with the Abyssal energies/powers is because the balance of that - the light realm/all our elemental resonance was literally piecemeal removed from them and used by the Primodial One (the first) and Heavenly Principles (the second) to create the gnoses?
I know the gnoses technically predate our arrival to Teyvat, but we already know that time is fluid in this world, and there's been timey-wimey stuff before (the Great Narukami Shrine's sakura tree) and there's been some speculation that there's some ability to manipulate space and/or time by the earlier descenders? AND it would explain why our sibling has been etched into Irminsul as belonging to this world - if the gnoses/elemental piece of them had gotten whisked back to near the start and embedded as part as an integral part of the world. And their remainder, the abyssal piece of them, is now the only remaining piece and therefore taken in by the Abyss, which we know predates Teyvat and existed in the world as the opposite of the light realm that the Dragons were part of.
Anyway, this has just been circling my brain for a while now, and I'm probably COMPLETELY off/wrong, but I felt like I finally had to put this out there.
I like this theory. I am lowkey sure the Abyss twin is the third descender. Also, like, something I have noticed is that when the twins came to this world (I chose Lumine so I'll give Lumine's example), the flowers lumine wears on her head glowed white. After our traveller wakes up in Tevyat for the first time, the flowers were lightless, they didn't glow at all. Then when we resonated with the Anemo statue and got the power of Anemo, they glowed teal. Similarly, for each region, they glow the respective color of the element, orange for geo, purple for electro, blue for hydro. My theory was always that when we get to the end of the story, and are able to use all the elements, they'll glow white again, i.e., all our powers will be back. It also makes it look like the elemental powers really are a piece of our powers, split into seven parts. Maybe that's why the traveller doesn't even need a vision. I might be blabbering but it was just something that was on my mind for a long time.
Also, I don't know if it's true or not, but do you think that our sibling died during their journey. I don't know why but I feel like our sibling died, and what we see is some bodily manifestation of their conscious or something or I don't know. I can also be entirely wrong.
And also, with this story quest, we kinda see how Lumine is not THAT evil as we originally suspected her to be. Maybe the only reason Dainslef wanted to stop her is because he didn't want her to get involved in a plan against the Heavenly Principle since it would probably be suicidal as fuck to do so, which explained why he doesn't wanna raised his sword against her but also can't go along with her probably suicidal plan against the Heavenly Principle. But I'm not talking for the entirety of the Abyss but only for Lumine, I mean... the Abyss is evil, but maybe Lumine plan on doing something that alter their plan in the end, maybe.
I mean, Dainsleif is probably worried that the Heavenly Principle might just turn Teyvat upside down, which is why he avoids provoking them and tries to hold the Abyss from doing so as well.
I have a huge feeling that the heavenly principles will wake up when we get to snezhnaya storyline..bcoz all the gnosis will be collected and we dont know what the tsaritsa will do with it..i also think that snezhnaya storyline will be the best out of all the archon quests in my opinion
1:23:17
Hell yes. I was so happy to have many of the unanswered questions finally answered
Pretty much Celestia/heavenly principal has been asleep for 500 years probably because of the cataclysm
Meaning, when she was fighting the twins, she was pretty much weaken and probably damaged , pretty much by the monsters from the abyss that came from Khaenri’ah, and after she sealed us away, which was the last of her power fell asleep and has been asleep for 500 years.
It would explain why the Fatui are planning to attack Celestia, meaning they might be working with the abyss order because they both have grudge against Celestia.
Which is why they’re attacking now , while they still can, but something tells me it’s not gonna work the way they think.
I think the war is gonna happen in Natlan the fire nation or Pyro nation, all hell about to break loose literally. Because the heavenly principal is about to wake up.🤔🤔🤔🤔😱😱😱😱
Its a 9/10 quest..everything was perfect..if they would have added the cutscene for the fight between dain and lumine it would have been one of the best archon quests..but still enjoyed the archon quest..W hoyo
Of course Bran has a bad take on Caribert.
Surely I am not the only one to feel like the archon quest was way too short?
it's the same length if we compare it to other dainsleif quests
Dain's quests always are on the shorter end but aldjakskaksksj I would love for them being longer
all Dain's quests are short but very condensed with lore, so I don't complain.
It felt like the first caribert quest was twice as long.
@@meursaulty6672Caribert was the same length as Bedtime Story
This makes me sad, Calibert is such a kind person. I hope this quest is longer or they should show us Lumine and Dains fight!
So the traveler is actually hiding his true identity from Teyvat? He said that lumine is the only one who calls him Aether.
Everyone calls him traveler so yeah
You probably don't want to get out that you aren't even a human in the first place, are probably some billions old, and now as well don't want to spread out that you are the 4th descender, given that the third was already murdered by Celestia.
I'm curious of what Lumine and Aether was talking just right before Caribert's world shattered, we can see their lips mumbling but no sound at all.
"The Sea of Flowers at the End" reminded me of that scene from the Teyvat chapter storyline preview, where we see first Lumine with Aether, and then Aether (traveler) alone among the "sea" of flowers. I wonder if that is the place where it all actually ends? Because it was the end of the Abyss siblings' journey. But what will happen then? I guess we just need to wait a few years 😂
Not getting dain vs The abyss sibling in a cutscene was a terrible decision. Also the Memory forgetting bullshit is so stupid. This quest was good and so bad at the same time
When Genshin stories finally comes to an end, you'll realise, these kind of quest weren't even 30% of the stories even though very crucial
Kinda like Aether, Aether means void or Abyss he the real Prince of the Abyss and the Poster boy and Dans brother the dude sealed in the stone?
ZACH GOT VOICELINES THIS MONTH, HE EATIN GOOD
After doing the quest, I wonder what is really the Loom of Fate? Is it a device, a machine, an ideology, an alien entity, a prophecy? We don't really know, as it is not much explained even by Caribert. Now that it's complete, by what degree will it affect between the siblings who are longing to be reunited but belonged on the complete opposite sides?
The fact that this offset Traveler quest is the oxymoron of the "We Will Be Reunited" quest, makes it more dreadful than before. Almost, but still away, until the main reason is not solved or eradicated.
As of now, only Nahida revealed the entity of the Traveler, and Skirk revealed a bit of past of the entity before the existence of the Traveler. It's either more revelations will be unfolded at Natlan, a hard truth at Snezhnaya, or a complete detail at Khaenri'ah (if it is showed as a independent arc). But in general sense, the Traveler quest is dark on its own. 😕
Edit PS: Regarding the five Sinners, they are actually hinted from Kaeya (entry IV). And connecting the dots, three of them caused trouble on Teyvat. Could be a possibility that these Sinners know something about Celestia, knowing the fact that no archon talks about them at all? 🤔
Did anyone else notice his hair at 1:07:00 went from a darker blue to just straight black in the cutscene?
our reunion still remains a mystery... perhaps next time fate will be more fortunate for us, farewell fellow travelers. till the next adventure.
Finally 🤧 Found your reaction vid for this. I thought you haven't posted this one yet hehe 👐
1:04:25 Does it matter how powerful the Loom of Fate is when Caribert is already dead?
My guess is that the pieces that the 6 exceptional individuals are holding are similar to the gnosis.
While the gnosis are the parts of the 3rd descenrder, the the one the Sinners + Dain is holding onto is probably the piece of Nibelung (after it got defeated a 2nd time).
And together they can recreate the Dragon of the Abyss.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that Dainsleif's piece is in the shape of a ring based on what we learned in the Pari world quest in sumeru where He was seen clutching a ring, immediately after the Khaenriah disaster.
If this is true then We have the Fatui that gathers the gnosis to build their 3rd descender lego set, while the Sinner gang wants Dain to handover his piece to finish their Nibelung lego set.
OMG that's an amazing image 😂
Something i just noticed I don't know if anyone else already write this. But at 1:12:26 the travelers Name changed to Aether. Normally it is always the Name the Player gave, but not this time.
I didn't even notice this when I played the quest myself!
The voice at the end of Inversion of Genesis did say to only trust what Traveler sees with their own eyes. So yeah kinda faire that everything u remember or don't remember could be manipulated.
It came to my mind after lumine said that the flower grew in teyvat, Lumine(abyss twin) is a part of this world according to irminsul but our sibling is not part of this world. Could it be that the twins originally came from teyvat but irminsul/the twins etc forgot for some reason that they came from teyvat but for some reason irminsul remembers our twin and made her part of the world again or something happened to our twin that made irminsul register our twin as part of this world. either way it's interesting how the flower that she has is located at teyvat and that they were searching for it on their journey but didn't found it the first time they travelled teyvat before they lost their powers.
damit lumine you are becoming otto apocolypse
they will start putting Caribert in the interactive maps now! I can just see it! Caribert is on of the prettiest male npc;s i have ever seen!
The lore in Genshin is 🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
Waitt if the leylines have the ability to "bring back" the dead and the loom of fate has the ability to create leylines, that would mean.... lumine wants to reenact the scenes of the khaenrian war or bring back the past.... idk just my theory
Hoyo playing with my mind when I finished this quest, Lumine said Heavenly Principles is still sleeping then Paimon keeps saying she woke up lmao
Also I thought that about the abyss sibling as well, what if she's someone who only exists in memories, but then I remembered that the abyss sibling has interacted physically with the traveler and with Dainslef as well.
.... unless by the end of the story they're gonna turn themself into the Loom of Fate 😩 which I would hate tbh, I want the twins to reunite and to reconcile. To have the abyss sibling end up dead or something akin to that would crush me.
Totally should have a bit more cut scene, but great way to continue the story.. just ended a bit weird
Wait... just imagine that collecting all the gnosis might result to the heavenly principle to be awaken lol that will be the Tsaritsa ultimate failure and will give the Fatui(Fools) a real meaning.
oh my
I definitely agree Caribert was selfish in the way that he accomplished his goal, and said 'damn the consequences'.
Said goal was what redeemed him a little, but what he wanted in the end was to satisfy himself knowing he comforted the souls suffering like he did.
He didn't work for the greater good, otherwise he would have been more careful about finishing the loom of fate, not knowing how it will be sued by our sibling.
edit : I honestly have never misspelled used as sued...hope it doesn't start now
Yeah yay a few souls are happy. But the whole world might be in danger. It depends if the loom of fate is used for good or for bad but still...
Plus, Caribert doesn't really know what to do with it, and as he said, he doesn't even belong to this world, so changing stuff is undeserved for him. The final wish for him is to literally comfort other Hilichurl, like his father did to him back then. What I want to say is, I don't think he can do anything about the plan, nor has the power to manipulate the Loom of Fate itself. He struggled to even make the subconscious space, so I don't know if he's able to do anything more than manipulating simple memories, and sending out voices to the hilichurls
Again he died at 8 years old, so---
@@Josette274 the whole world or just celestia? i would bet good money that he knows the loom of fate is gonna be used against celestia and heavenly principles considering that's what abyss order and lumine has been working toward for hundreds of years