any questions about the carb cheater stuff, feel free to ask - most of this project has been built off of solid suggestions from you guys - heck, one of you out there even came up with the name. (were the designers and programmers behind it) Heres the 0-60 datalog, this is exactly what you would have with your own carb cheater also: thecarbcheater.com/?db=9xdmz also, heres a log file of us turning the CC on and it doing its adaptive AFR control stuff: thecarbcheater.com/?db=S1tn8
@Jason Axelson I dont recommend using a carb for blownthrough. Unless it's only going to be doing wide open throttle, they are very difficult to tune well for all driving conditions. Draw through is no problem
I really like the carb cheater concept. Simple yet seems very effective. I’ve had people question why I didn’t go with a “self tuning” efi kit for my 79 Bronco and choose a carb. Cost and simplicity. I’d love to get my hands on a carb cheater.
You should send bill one of those from old man garage RUclips channel he is a big carb guy and has there own carb line they do a lot of racing.. his son has a big RUclips channel to it's SRC street racing channel.i think it would get your product out there to a lot of people that would be able to put it to good use.good luck on everything buddy.lovd the channel
I think you're going to see a big market for the Carb Cheater once you really get production up. I think ALL the old muscle car guys who are CARB ONLY and won't take the plunge into EFI just don't' want to deal with the computers and all, this thing is a GAME CHANGER! I love it!
We also worked hard to make it under 400 bucks where even just a wideband alone (we have one built in to ours) is 200 dollars now. And even with efi, your still going to be tuning unlike what people seem to think. Personally I'll take a carb any day (and I'm even a heavy programmer by day at work, so that's saying something)
Agreed. I'm in the same boat. I appreciate the honesty and hard work you put in. I feel like engineers are of a dying breed today, software is one thing, but hardware still keeps us moving forward and with today's progress and controllers we really can do anything.
I love this. This is my mindset, and my train of thought exemplified but a smarter and more motivated person. I dont want 35 computers, but im not anti tech. Dont make it more complicated, make the most simple thing better. This carb cheater is genious and i hope you stay safe because there are alot of powerful folks that are going to hate this. I dont need sniper efi, i need my carb to be smarter. This is plain awesome and thanks for sharing
I started with Chevy V8s with adjustable valves back in the 60's. Then I bought a 70 Mustang new with a 302 V8 that had non-adjustable valve rockers. If I remember correctly the way to adjust the valves was to collapse the lifter, measure the gap, and use longer of shorter push rods to get the adjustment correct.
I’m sure someone has mentioned this before, but I looked through every Alice in changes song I had access to to find the song in his videos. Turns out it’s a band called skorned. The song is psychosis. And it rooocks!
My dad had a 1967 F100 long wheel base with a 300 in it that was a good truck .it would go from 0 to 60 a little quicker than what his does it was a 3 speed on the column
Keep at it uncle Luke, I always enjoy the content and information you provide. I'm old enough to be your uncle but dun matter. I'm interested in this fancy gizmo for carbs mate. Would be awesome to have one on a few of my old vehicles. Cheers from Australia. oioioi
These videos accomplished too things for me: 1. Made me want a carb cheater. 2. Made me want an old 6cyl Ford truck to put it in. Too bad there aren't any trucks like that here.
Please please consider expanding this project to people who just want to use it as a pre obd2 logger. I run TBI on my late 80s cars and want this to see if the ecu is functioning correctly (receiving the correct data from the numerous temp and pressure sensors etc) with the correct AFR. Also want to see my 0-60 logged etc in that beautiful graph.
This guy makes me forget I started to hate ford in late 90s with Tritons I just felt they have nothing on chevy in last 25 years .mabe I'll give for another shot I liked old Fords
I am super intrigued! I have a 79' 350 Chevy v8 in my 65' GMC, and a 600 cfm edelbrock. I would love to use your carb cheater! My carb has an electric choke and I have headers and a TH400 3 speed transmission, Do you think the " Carb Cheater" will work?
Do you run your vacuum advance on straight 6 300 to ported or manifold vacuum? I have a 84 that I converted from the computer control carb to basic and HEI distributor.
I agree he knows what he’s talking about instead of making something up like other channels but that is the most used statement on RUclips. Almost every channel has someone claiming the same thing in some form or fashion.
Luke is so down to earth and humble. Honest about what he knows and what he is teaching himself. Has no problem venturing into what he is not familiar with .Luke and his business partner are gonna go leaps and bounds with their cheater carbs product
Amazing development of your product, Luke. Pretty mind boggling that it went from this little idea.....to developing all the peripherals needed to make it work, including a phone app. You're doing amazing work!
The 300 is a legendary offering from Ford..It has a cross drilled, forged crank..like a 427..it has forged rods..it has forged pistons..it is a beast..Power Nation built one that made over 500 hp and over 500 ft.lb. of torque..I had one in my 1981 Bronco, New Process drive train for 475000 miles..before the body rusted off of the frame..everything else was fine..Long Live the Mighty 300 !!!
I went searching for a 300 and found one finally in an old 70s telephone truck parked in the woods in Tahoe. I have it all fixed up and running good now with a flat bed and ready to work!
Hey Luke, i got an 1989 f350 with the big ol 460 in it, its sadly an EFI instead of a carb but would the self tuning efi work for better mileage or would ripping out the electronics and slapping a carb with the cheater be my better option? Currently running with a 3.55 rear and a 5 speed manual trans with a granny
I have a 68 f100 3 on tree and a 240. They will run under any condition thrown at it. A pleasure to drive when tuned right. Looking forward to being able to purchase your setup one day
DAMN, YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING ON THIS PROTOTYPE! THANKS FOR TAKING US ALONG ON THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR CARB CHEATER. IT'S GOING TO BE A HOT ITEM. GREAT JOB. IT'S A BIT OVER MY HEAD BUT I WILL KEEP REVIEW THE VIDEOS UNTIL I GET IT. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT TEST ON A DIFERENT CAR/TRUCK TO SEE THE COMPARISON. AND PART 3. ONE MORE THING, WHOEVER DID THE COMPUTER TESTING PROGRAMING DID A GREAT JOB, TOO.
I'm gonna turn 59 pretty soon. I don't know much about engine mechanical work except for the stuff I watch on RUclips..... Thunderhead 289, Junkyard Digs and Mook, Dylan McCool, Sleeperdude, and Halfass Kustoms. With all that being said, Thank You, Uncle Luke, (remember I'm turning 59)for this super Awesome content, your creation/invention and knowledge you share with your viewer.
Stay with it Luke! I am confident you will succeed with this endeavor. I have an old '84 302 that I have thought about reviving for a daily driver, but I know the 2 barrel will need attention. I would also like to get more than the 140 hp out of it. I was going to get an aftermarket carb, but maybe you have a better solution here.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez The 302 was introduced for 1968 models, reguardless of cam it's a 302(I have one in a '69). The 5.0 moniker was first used on the '78 Mustang II, continued into the Fox Stangs. For '80-'82 there were 255 versions but 302 were produced for all years '68 thru '01.
I have an old Datsun 280Z that I’m converting from factory EFI to a carburetor setup. I’m liking how much this would help me tune a dual carburetor setup! Subscribed and turning on notifications on this one!!
I cannot wait to buy a carb cheater unit when you guys make it available. This will be the perfect setup to fine tune my woodgas powered projects and bring the manual/analog woodgas air fuel mixing into the current century! Keep pushing the envelope Uncle Luke!
Great idea to use the Carb Cheater on your woodgas engine. What is the AFR range for woodgas? I've never even pondered that before. Wood gasification is fascinating to see & study but looked complicated to operate. Good luck!
@@PaulThomas-qo9vy The ancient rule of thumb is to hit a target of 1.88 to 1 woodgas/air mixture. The old fashioned way to hit that target is to introduce air into the woodgas before the intake via small throttle body half the diameter of the total intake diameter. Using a choke cable to regulate the mixture which varies by quality and humidity of wood fuel, gasifier temperature, hopper conditions, etc etc. I would love to see how the carb cheater reacts to that with providing PWM signal to a dedicated electronic throttle body to provide sole fuel mixing without a carburetor in mind. This is already a much better system than my simple arduino/PID setup that just monitors hi-low readings of a target AFR and then adjusts a servo to move the throttle body to reach AFR goals. The user interface is a game changer! Count me in for instant purchase.
Hey thanks "Science Guy" for understanding and demonstrating how a load affects a resistive circuit and reading it with just a meter doesn't work (IOW having the load on the circuit, then measure). I tried explaining this to Derek over at VGG, and got treated like a wacko. Maybe you should send him this video......
Joe is really smart - I'm pretty dangerous with circuitry, Joe is really darn good. Not much slips past he and I together. He's got me a few times like that, done a heck of a job bulletproffing our circuitry. Carb Cheater wouldn't exist without him, that's for sure.
Anytime I see something ghetto rigged, it warms the cockles of my heart, I appreciate that way more than fixing things "the right way" screw that, I like to see McGyver stuff.
Hey Luke. Sure enjoy seeing the old truck percolating like a champ. The old 300 is/was a great engine for working trucks. Keep the videos coming. Thanks.
Really incredible that no one has come up with this in the era of small-form pcb’s. I know that this is really just the tip of the iceberg and I’m glad to be here to see it. As always, I enjoy the informational videos on these old rigs.
He has a video where he had some fun with his garage door control in the house he was at.. I love the small form pc stuff (arduino is amazing!) controllers for days.. not professional with it, but I really love seeing it used in the real world. My friend was lead engineer over at Crestron back in the 90s 2000s, the beginning days of home automation, before the pi came out.. Fun and you can do ANYTHING with it
A lot of people find going into the data / numbers more into this mechanic stuff kinda boring, (myself included), but Luke is just such a nice dude, that I will always like and share his vids for that fact alone. Dude seems to be a legit salt of the earth cool fella
Best truck I ever had was a 70 150 w/300. Just breathe on the key and it started no matter how long it sat. I might've flogged mine to about 4k before shifting it I wanted to brag about speed.....LOL
I like the video and thanks for doing these. I heard you say you're a 351W guy. I put one in a 1974 F100, (Trans and all). What headers can I use in the 74 with a 351W from a 95, (Roller motor). I want to finish this up in the next couple of weeks. Thank you in advance.
Windsor series is actually the 260,289,302, and 351w - the 351 just got the windsor classification since there was a 351c and 351m. Regarding your question - yes a 351w from the injected will go in.
If you wire them as per the directions and use the specified coil, they never die. I've collectively put 180,000 miles on pertronix stuff without a single failure
Can the AFR be displayed with lambda numbers in the app? Never been used to AFR numbers as I've always been using ethanol blends and couldn't accept the idea of the gage displaying 14.7 when actually the mix was 10:1 or so. But I guess I'll finally get to it as most of the other gearheads I talk with can't understand when I talk about my .90 or 1.05 lambda value 😂
Yeah! Lambda was hard to get used to, when I was already familiar with AFR readings. I worked in an auto research laboratory & monitored & adjusted test engines installed in test cells. I initially learned AFR, then was transferred to another building/engine lab, where a different mfg. had Lambda readings, initially confusing me, but the engineer explained the logic difference & I learned to think of it as seeing it upside down! 😎
Hi Luke and Joe! You know by now, all the big boys out there, (Holley, Edelbrock, etc etc etc.) are taking notice on the Carb Cheater. I am sure you applied for a Patent, TM, Copyright or whatever you can get on your product. When you get to the stage to market this, I would love to preorder one. Thanks much! Cheers from Motown/Dearborn.
15:09 "under the dash".... why? Hook the resistive lead to a relay (be it classic or "solid state") and the switched poles to the battery and the HEI unit. Problem solved, no dash diving.
You could definitely do that and I have before - you just have one more fail point is all. And a 12v relay can switch off if you get down to 6v on resistive lead at times. I usually just cut the wire or splice onto it at they key and toss it through the firewall, pretty easy really. Splicing is nice as you can take up the original wire and it's still there if ever needed
Damn, Luke. Had I not been suffering from sleep deprivation, I would have been able to come up with a decent tech question regarding this but all I can manage is "I really like the color of that F100! Oh - here's a question: my brother has a '47 CJ2A (1-BBL Carter W-O I think?) He finally got it running somewhat ok but I'm sure he could coax some better performance from it. Would the Carb Cheater a) fit an old Carter and 2) help him tune it optimally?
If you have a GM with points you also have a resistive lead and an extra wire from the start solenoid on the starter to the coil. That's why people bitch about the Pertronix units which are as reliable or even more so than a HEI which is saying something. I've run both systems for over 40 years on almost everything without a problem and the biggest problems those units have is people not reading or understanding the instructions. A full 12v is a must, you can just jump the ballast resister on a Chrysler, and the second problem that bites most people in the butt is using the proper resistance coil. Some coils have a resister built in that simulates the resister wire for a point ignition and the Pertronix units require a specific resistance (ohm) primary winding in the coil depending on which model you use. You gotta pay attention and your project is a perfect example.
You guys do great work! Aux relay ideas: RPM based exhaust cut outs maybe, or would it be vac based? Hmm ... variable tuned length headers Muwahahaha... all of the scavenging!
Apologies if this has been asked before or if the info is already available: Will there be a Carb Cheater for multi-carb setups? I see you have a spacer for a 4 bbl with primary and secondary vacuum ports, what about if I have 4 carbs and each carb has a separate inlet each with a vacuum port?
Haven't tried, but there's no reason T'ing all of the manifolds together wouldn't work. It's an experimental product for sure - we need to try it on multicarb and tractors to see what small multiple manifolds and what a governor does
Great stuff Prof. Luke & Joe! Question: Will you expound more about the hypothetical Draw-thru carb Turbo 300 setup? How will that tuning differ from N/A tuning, considering increased dynamic compression ratio under boost & related Low Speed Pre-Ignition or detonation. Can Carb Cheater vary AFR in relation to manifold boost pressure since the CC on an N/A engine meters & vents air below the throttle blades into vacuum in the intake. Give it a think. Thanks for a reply! Waitin' eagerly for part 3 ! Thanks Luke! Paul from S. Central Tx..
All I would do is use a 2.5 bar absolute pressure sensor and tune for high load afr. Wouldn't be no thing. Draw through though, yeah I wouldn't use this for that
@@ThunderHead289 Will that 2.5 Bar map sensor be read by the Carb Cheater & be displayed by the software on the hypothetical 300 cid Draw-thru carb./Turbo combo. The goal is less than 40 % power/torque increase at WOT, plus all or better "fuel efficiency" (light throttle) Increase of the N/A CC combo. Is this unreasonable to ask of the CC draw-thru carb.-Turbo combo? I appreciate your input. I even plan to use twin parallel new diesel EGR coolers as hot coolant heat exchangers/vaporizers down stream of compressor outlet in this CC draw-thru carb.Turbo combo. The CC seem like a quick & easy way to tune such an experimental combo. Your Thoughts Prof. Luke?
Yeah as far as I know pretty much all the 300's had hydraulic lifters and you just torque the rocker to spec, and any excessive lash/noise from there on would be lifters on their way out or already dead. In rarer cases a bent pushrod. I had to call my dad on that one and he agreed he couldn't remember any of the other big 6's (300 series) ever having solid lifters
@@ThunderHead289 Let me rephrase - non-adjustable is what we had thought. Preload on the rocker sure but as far as lash adjustment you just get what you got out of those for the next 30 years lol.
Nice man. Is that kit kinda similar/cheaper than getting a single brl sniper kit that would replace my single brl carter? Like "an in-between"? I know my 79 300 4x4 is slow.. but I've still done basics. EFI headers, AL rad/E-fan, 130amp tarus alt, Saginaw steering etc. But I'm still running the original DS2 dizzy. Anything I can do to get better MPG/power though.
2 or 4 barrel carburetor with a carb cheater or the larger efi setup(the carter is a pain to tune but I started with feedback carter's so I can give you some tips)
I am super curious as to what your cheater does for fuel efficiency. Will you guys be testing for fuel efficiency? That data is super interesting to me.
It is sad that better fuel economy is taboo, but big brother & petro giants are watching. Just buy the Carb Cheater for better "efficiency" & "lower environmental impact" & keep the fuel economy increases off of the internet , texts, & phone! Tell your increases by word of mouth directly to friends only!
All you need is 1 common manifold vacuum port honestly - but I need to either find a dual carb setup to try on or install my own dual carb high rise I have
I’m working on an old F150 I bought with a 6 in it too. 1985, converted from feedback carb to duraspark. I’m new to vehicles entirely, and I’ve done a bit of work already on it. The resistive lead has me interested. Need to figure that out.
Making a carbureted vehicle absolutely efficient and consistent, it's a great idea. Luke I wish you all the best with this exceptional product. I love you videos you're really informative and thorough. Keep up the good work dude 👍✌️🇺🇲
The same resistive lead issue comes into play when converting an older GM engine from points to the GM HEI distributors. It WILL run, but like you said, not quite right and the HEI module will not hold up long term.
I really hope a few of these make it to a high school shop class. I think using these to do a unit on how the components of a carbureted engine work together would be amazing.
You could probably add a 0-60 timer in the app. Just need to also add in the G senser from the phone to initiate the start time. Since gps will wander even at a stop.
Mines rock steady - i programmed it to hard lock onto gps vs passive or fused provider scenario. I could put a 0-60 timer in there but to be honest the app is super fat already as is. I'll look into it though and see where I could put it without slowing anything down
@@ThunderHead289 Id put it as a selectable option hidden in the settings so when nobody is testing its hidden and not wasting and processing power or screen real estate.
Hey Luke, just wanted to say thanks to your tinkering, you've inspired me to start working on my hall effect speedometer/odometer Arduino project again. Keep up the good work, as always!
I just did a lot of work on my cousin's 85 f-250 with a 300 six. My cousin is not one to do much to it except regular oil changes. So the spark plugs were the ones that were in it when he bought it new. So a full tune up. Also i put a four barrel intake, headers, new exhaust. Ect. Now it runs like new. And he is getting better fuel mileage. He is happy.
Noice to see Uncle Luke Dundee make his triumphant return :-) Swing a fuel can around like a billy full of tea and you're all the way there mate! Well that and getting the missus to show you how to knacker a Ram with your teeth for some tasty BBQ Bush Oysters.............
Hey Luke! Awesome video…. Seriously how do I get one of these shipped to Australia. Have a series 3 Land Rover with a Ford 250 that runs Ok but could be way better. I’d love to pop Carb Cheater in it. Cheers. Ross
I hope so - so much of carb tuning is expirience. Carb Cheater does a really good job of bridging the gap of understanding. Most people going efi, really that's all the info they need at their disposal to succeed
@@ThunderHead289 I'm pretty sure you're the only person online who has really broken down carb basics for the masses. Unfortunately I forget things super fast. You know I'm a supporter!! I've already got a carb cheater earmarked for a summer project :)
. I just wish someone could have made the carb cheater 10 years ago when I started out - would have been a cake walk to learn carb tuning. I got here the hard way 😅
So I’ve got a question, I daily drive a 1967 ford LTD with a 390 short block and recently I put a Holley 600 cfm brawler on it got it tuned up and it runs almost perfectly until I give it enough gas to open the secondaries once they open it bogs down for a second then comes back to life but once they are open they won’t shut unless I let off the gas entirely and I’m not sure where to start looking it doesn’t feel like anything is obstructed but I’m far from knowledgeable so any advice helps
Is glad to see you making videos Again Uncle Luke It's pretty amazing what you can do with that carb cheater Is it blows my mind I could listen And learn new things from you all day long Is that's what I love about your channel Is not only a great content Is but you actually explain So even somebody would Is my abilities Is kinda understands what's going On you and Kevin Brown Are Just amazing what you guys can do Thank you once again for all your hardwork and great videos
any questions about the carb cheater stuff, feel free to ask - most of this project has been built off of solid suggestions from you guys - heck, one of you out there even came up with the name. (were the designers and programmers behind it)
Heres the 0-60 datalog, this is exactly what you would have with your own carb cheater also: thecarbcheater.com/?db=9xdmz
also, heres a log file of us turning the CC on and it doing its adaptive AFR control stuff: thecarbcheater.com/?db=S1tn8
Would it be possible to use the carb cheater with a turbocharged 300? I am debating whether to go with efi or carb
@Jason Axelson I dont recommend using a carb for blownthrough. Unless it's only going to be doing wide open throttle, they are very difficult to tune well for all driving conditions. Draw through is no problem
I really like the carb cheater concept. Simple yet seems very effective. I’ve had people question why I didn’t go with a “self tuning” efi kit for my 79 Bronco and choose a carb. Cost and simplicity. I’d love to get my hands on a carb cheater.
where and when to purchase?
You should send bill one of those from old man garage RUclips channel he is a big carb guy and has there own carb line they do a lot of racing.. his son has a big RUclips channel to it's SRC street racing channel.i think it would get your product out there to a lot of people that would be able to put it to good use.good luck on everything buddy.lovd the channel
I think you're going to see a big market for the Carb Cheater once you really get production up. I think ALL the old muscle car guys who are CARB ONLY and won't take the plunge into EFI just don't' want to deal with the computers and all, this thing is a GAME CHANGER! I love it!
We also worked hard to make it under 400 bucks where even just a wideband alone (we have one built in to ours) is 200 dollars now.
And even with efi, your still going to be tuning unlike what people seem to think.
Personally I'll take a carb any day (and I'm even a heavy programmer by day at work, so that's saying something)
Yeah it's perfect, I was thinking about breaking down and getting Holley injection but I'd much rather go this route.
Agreed. I'm in the same boat. I appreciate the honesty and hard work you put in. I feel like engineers are of a dying breed today, software is one thing, but hardware still keeps us moving forward and with today's progress and controllers we really can do anything.
Carbs became obsolete for a reason… because fuel injection is 1000x better 😂
@@AndyL940 and you think none of us knows that Einstein?
Thanks for the mention at 4:55 man! Appreciate it! 😂
That's hilarious
Sweet truck. I'll take it over any new one. Any day, every day. Six and a four speed? Those babies were fun to drive.
I love this. This is my mindset, and my train of thought exemplified but a smarter and more motivated person. I dont want 35 computers, but im not anti tech. Dont make it more complicated, make the most simple thing better. This carb cheater is genious and i hope you stay safe because there are alot of powerful folks that are going to hate this. I dont need sniper efi, i need my carb to be smarter. This is plain awesome and thanks for sharing
I started with Chevy V8s with adjustable valves back in the 60's. Then I bought a 70 Mustang new with a 302 V8 that had non-adjustable valve rockers. If I remember correctly the way to adjust the valves was to collapse the lifter, measure the gap, and use longer of shorter push rods to get the adjustment correct.
Thanks Luke-- I learn tons from yall!! Have a fantastic summer- C U next time.😎
Thanks so much
I’m sure someone has mentioned this before, but I looked through every Alice in changes song I had access to to find the song in his videos. Turns out it’s a band called skorned. The song is psychosis. And it rooocks!
Great job Luke! You should send one to Kevin at Junkyard Digs
My dad had a 1967 F100 long wheel base with a 300 in it that was a good truck .it would go from 0 to 60 a little quicker than what his does it was a 3 speed on the column
Keep at it uncle Luke, I always enjoy the content and information you provide. I'm old enough to be your uncle but dun matter. I'm interested in this fancy gizmo for carbs mate. Would be awesome to have one on a few of my old vehicles. Cheers from Australia. oioioi
These videos accomplished too things for me:
1. Made me want a carb cheater.
2. Made me want an old 6cyl Ford truck to put it in.
Too bad there aren't any trucks like that here.
I love how you, kevin, and derek all kinda pick on eachother in each of your engine videos. pretty comical.
Am I picking on anyone? 😅 I'm just picking on Facebook groups personally. I can be seen standing my ground hard on tech in windsor groups especially.
Love the tech videos Mixed with the mechanical Luke nice work as always @ThunderHead289
Great information
Looking forward to the Chevy 2
Best damn engine Ford ever put in a truck. I refuse to buy a Ford truck that doesn't have a 1bbl 300 six in it.
Please please consider expanding this project to people who just want to use it as a pre obd2 logger. I run TBI on my late 80s cars and want this to see if the ecu is functioning correctly (receiving the correct data from the numerous temp and pressure sensors etc) with the correct AFR. Also want to see my 0-60 logged etc in that beautiful graph.
This guy makes me forget I started to hate ford in late 90s with Tritons I just felt they have nothing on chevy in last 25 years .mabe I'll give for another shot I liked old Fords
I am super intrigued! I have a 79' 350 Chevy v8 in my 65' GMC, and a 600 cfm edelbrock. I would love to use your carb cheater! My carb has an electric choke and I have headers and a TH400 3 speed transmission, Do you think the " Carb Cheater" will work?
Oh yeah, absolutely - easy install
You really wanna shrink them fittings down get some dry ice
Luke I need a loaner rust truck badly
My 300 has adjustable rockers
Depends on the year. Same with windsor series engines
Hello uncle Luke
Do you run your vacuum advance on straight 6 300 to ported or manifold vacuum? I have a 84 that I converted from the computer control carb to basic and HEI distributor.
What does it cost to do the carb cheater and how do you get 1
This is the realest dude on RUclips no joke. I could listen to this guy talk about anything
Luke explains everything in a relaxing way, Kevin from Junkyard Digs, Dylan McCool and Derek Bieri are the same way.
I agree he knows what he’s talking about instead of making something up like other channels but that is the most used statement on RUclips. Almost every channel has someone claiming the same thing in some form or fashion.
@@Robrt32 lol alright rob
Cold War motor is on the top list as well . 👍🏻🇦🇺💯⛽️
Yup !
Luke is so down to earth and humble. Honest about what he knows and what he is teaching himself. Has no problem venturing into what he is not familiar with .Luke and his business partner are gonna go leaps and bounds with their cheater carbs product
Amazing development of your product, Luke. Pretty mind boggling that it went from this little idea.....to developing all the peripherals needed to make it work, including a phone app. You're doing amazing work!
The prototype was acceptable, but once joe was involved, man we have been able to go really far on it together
Great job! That carb cheater is simplistic enough for us old guys to use. Glad to see a young engineer come up with it.
The 300 is a legendary offering from Ford..It has a cross drilled, forged crank..like a 427..it has forged rods..it has forged pistons..it is a beast..Power Nation built one that made over 500 hp and over 500 ft.lb. of torque..I had one in my 1981 Bronco, New Process drive train for 475000 miles..before the body rusted off of the frame..everything else was fine..Long Live the Mighty 300 !!!
I went searching for a 300 and found one finally in an old 70s telephone truck parked in the woods in Tahoe. I have it all fixed up and running good now with a flat bed and ready to work!
Poor man's diesel
Hey Luke, i got an 1989 f350 with the big ol 460 in it, its sadly an EFI instead of a carb but would the self tuning efi work for better mileage or would ripping out the electronics and slapping a carb with the cheater be my better option? Currently running with a 3.55 rear and a 5 speed manual trans with a granny
Hard to say hard to say, I need to do an efi to carb swap and compare!
I really want to see you tune a windsor 302 with MC2100 carb. Nice Job by the way
I have a 68 f100 3 on tree and a 240. They will run under any condition thrown at it. A pleasure to drive when tuned right. Looking forward to being able to purchase your setup one day
I'm hoping I can buy one from you once you get to that point. Very useful and in the same vein as progression ignition, another brilliant idea.
I know Ted who created progression pretty well, he's a great guy and extremely smart
DAMN, YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING ON THIS PROTOTYPE! THANKS FOR TAKING US ALONG ON THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT OF YOUR CARB CHEATER. IT'S GOING TO BE A HOT ITEM. GREAT JOB. IT'S A BIT OVER MY HEAD BUT I WILL KEEP REVIEW THE VIDEOS UNTIL I GET IT. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT TEST ON A DIFERENT CAR/TRUCK TO SEE THE COMPARISON. AND PART 3. ONE MORE THING, WHOEVER DID THE COMPUTER TESTING PROGRAMING DID A GREAT JOB, TOO.
I'm gonna turn 59 pretty soon. I don't know much about engine mechanical work except for the stuff I watch on RUclips..... Thunderhead 289, Junkyard Digs and Mook, Dylan McCool, Sleeperdude, and Halfass Kustoms.
With all that being said, Thank You, Uncle Luke, (remember I'm turning 59)for this super Awesome content, your creation/invention and knowledge you share with your viewer.
Stay with it Luke! I am confident you will succeed with this endeavor.
I have an old '84 302 that I have thought about reviving for a daily driver, but I know the 2 barrel will need attention. I would also like to get more than the 140 hp out of it. I was going to get an aftermarket carb, but maybe you have a better solution here.
if thats really an 84 I think you have a flat tappet cam and its not actually a 302
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez First roller-lifter 302/5.0 was 1985.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez The 302 was introduced for 1968 models, reguardless of cam it's a 302(I have one in a '69). The 5.0 moniker was first used on the '78 Mustang II, continued into the Fox Stangs. For '80-'82 there were 255 versions but 302 were produced for all years '68 thru '01.
I have an old Datsun 280Z that I’m converting from factory EFI to a carburetor setup. I’m liking how much this would help me tune a dual carburetor setup! Subscribed and turning on notifications on this one!!
Lunch by the graveyard 😊 Keeping in touch with the roots. Thanks for another great video.
Looking forward to this project getting out there and into the market. You guys are definitely onto something.
That's a really nice 68. great video guys keep them coming.
Absolutely great. Anyone and everyone can learn from this. Ripper, Mate!
drooling cause I want this unit sooo bad
Luke! Ford uses different lengths of push rods. Usually.
.030,.060 longer.
Fantastic video !
I cannot wait to buy a carb cheater unit when you guys make it available. This will be the perfect setup to fine tune my woodgas powered projects and bring the manual/analog woodgas air fuel mixing into the current century! Keep pushing the envelope Uncle Luke!
Great idea to use the Carb Cheater on your woodgas engine. What is the AFR range for woodgas? I've never even pondered that before. Wood gasification is fascinating to see & study but looked complicated to operate. Good luck!
@@PaulThomas-qo9vy The ancient rule of thumb is to hit a target of 1.88 to 1 woodgas/air mixture. The old fashioned way to hit that target is to introduce air into the woodgas before the intake via small throttle body half the diameter of the total intake diameter. Using a choke cable to regulate the mixture which varies by quality and humidity of wood fuel, gasifier temperature, hopper conditions, etc etc.
I would love to see how the carb cheater reacts to that with providing PWM signal to a dedicated electronic throttle body to provide sole fuel mixing without a carburetor in mind. This is already a much better system than my simple arduino/PID setup that just monitors hi-low readings of a target AFR and then adjusts a servo to move the throttle body to reach AFR goals. The user interface is a game changer! Count me in for instant purchase.
Hey thanks "Science Guy" for understanding and demonstrating how a load affects a resistive circuit and reading it with just a meter doesn't work (IOW having the load on the circuit, then measure). I tried explaining this to Derek over at VGG, and got treated like a wacko. Maybe you should send him this video......
Joe is really smart - I'm pretty dangerous with circuitry, Joe is really darn good. Not much slips past he and I together.
He's got me a few times like that, done a heck of a job bulletproffing our circuitry. Carb Cheater wouldn't exist without him, that's for sure.
Is it just me or does it seem like most of the "Immortal" engines are 6 cylinder? Ford 300, Chrysler Slant-6, GM's 3.8 / 3800...
Anytime I see something ghetto rigged, it warms the cockles of my heart, I appreciate that way more than fixing things "the right way" screw that, I like to see McGyver stuff.
I have A 1955 chevy 210 4 door with A 235 l6 and 2 speed power glide and I wonder If this would work On It? Nice video man.
i have an 88 f150 with a 302 f.i. 4x4 5 spd manual and was thinking of putting a 300 6 in it. the 302 was overheated hot enough to warp the head.
I could see this being used for multiple carb balancing as well
Ford Durospart would work better and not die so much if the resistive lead was removed
Hey Luke. Sure enjoy seeing the old truck percolating like a champ. The old 300 is/was a great engine for working trucks. Keep the videos coming. Thanks.
Need some more videos please uncle Luke, lol. Like to see some more on the cheater.
Glad to see that some young men are into old cars and trucks that is why I watch your videos
Modern cars are soulless.
Really incredible that no one has come up with this in the era of small-form pcb’s. I know that this is really just the tip of the iceberg and I’m glad to be here to see it. As always, I enjoy the informational videos on these old rigs.
He has a video where he had some fun with his garage door control in the house he was at.. I love the small form pc stuff (arduino is amazing!) controllers for days.. not professional with it, but I really love seeing it used in the real world. My friend was lead engineer over at Crestron back in the 90s 2000s, the beginning days of home automation, before the pi came out.. Fun and you can do ANYTHING with it
@@AnthonyRBlacker I’ve enjoyed the Pi for game emulation but there is some serious fun to be had with these units with the right know-how.
A lot of people find going into the data / numbers more into this mechanic stuff kinda boring, (myself included), but Luke is just such a nice dude, that I will always like and share his vids for that fact alone.
Dude seems to be a legit salt of the earth cool fella
Best truck I ever had was a 70 150 w/300. Just breathe on the key and it started no matter how long it sat. I might've flogged mine to about 4k before shifting it I wanted to brag about speed.....LOL
We would have but it's neither our our truck so we didn't want to be hard on it - we may have shaved 3 seconds off tho 😄
The 300 I6 is probably the most solid running engine ever
Thank you for leaving in the fact the battery wasnt on 😂 i do stuff like that too 😅
I like the video and thanks for doing these. I heard you say you're a 351W guy. I put one in a 1974 F100, (Trans and all). What headers can I use in the 74 with a 351W from a 95, (Roller motor). I want to finish this up in the next couple of weeks. Thank you in advance.
Windsor series is actually the 260,289,302, and 351w - the 351 just got the windsor classification since there was a 351c and 351m. Regarding your question - yes a 351w from the injected will go in.
i put my pertronics on my 1979 ford and it is still good after 10 yrs.
If you wire them as per the directions and use the specified coil, they never die. I've collectively put 180,000 miles on pertronix stuff without a single failure
Can the AFR be displayed with lambda numbers in the app?
Never been used to AFR numbers as I've always been using ethanol blends and couldn't accept the idea of the gage displaying 14.7 when actually the mix was 10:1 or so. But I guess I'll finally get to it as most of the other gearheads I talk with can't understand when I talk about my .90 or 1.05 lambda value 😂
Yeah! Lambda was hard to get used to, when I was already familiar with AFR readings. I worked in an auto research laboratory & monitored & adjusted test engines installed in test cells. I initially learned AFR, then was transferred to another building/engine lab, where a different mfg. had Lambda readings, initially confusing me, but the engineer explained the logic difference & I learned to think of it as seeing it upside down! 😎
Hi Luke and Joe! You know by now, all the big boys out there, (Holley, Edelbrock, etc etc etc.) are taking notice on the Carb Cheater. I am sure you applied for a Patent, TM, Copyright or whatever you can get on your product. When you get to the stage to market this, I would love to preorder one. Thanks much! Cheers from Motown/Dearborn.
The data log and graph option is nice with the carb cheater
15:09 "under the dash".... why? Hook the resistive lead to a relay (be it classic or "solid state") and the switched poles to the battery and the HEI unit. Problem solved, no dash diving.
You could definitely do that and I have before - you just have one more fail point is all. And a 12v relay can switch off if you get down to 6v on resistive lead at times.
I usually just cut the wire or splice onto it at they key and toss it through the firewall, pretty easy really. Splicing is nice as you can take up the original wire and it's still there if ever needed
I was gonna say...not the 360 Truck...those motors were diabolical failures
Absolutely agree - take a great engine, the ford fe, and ruin it is what they did there
Damn, Luke. Had I not been suffering from sleep deprivation, I would have been able to come up with a decent tech question regarding this but all I can manage is "I really like the color of that F100! Oh - here's a question: my brother has a '47 CJ2A (1-BBL Carter W-O I think?) He finally got it running somewhat ok but I'm sure he could coax some better performance from it. Would the Carb Cheater a) fit an old Carter and 2) help him tune it optimally?
All you really need is one dedicated vacuum port. You have to want your car to run bad to not get it dialed with a carb cheater in my opinion.
If you have a GM with points you also have a resistive lead and an extra wire from the start solenoid on the starter to the coil. That's why people bitch about the Pertronix units which are as reliable or even more so than a HEI which is saying something. I've run both systems for over 40 years on almost everything without a problem and the biggest problems those units have is people not reading or understanding the instructions. A full 12v is a must, you can just jump the ballast resister on a Chrysler, and the second problem that bites most people in the butt is using the proper resistance coil. Some coils have a resister built in that simulates the resister wire for a point ignition and the Pertronix units require a specific resistance (ohm) primary winding in the coil depending on which model you use. You gotta pay attention and your project is a perfect example.
Couldn't agree more - very rock solid comment right here
Those old 300 in line six cylinders were one of the best motors ever
Them spacers lools like it has some delrin in them
You guys do great work! Aux relay ideas: RPM based exhaust cut outs maybe, or would it be vac based? Hmm ... variable tuned length headers Muwahahaha... all of the scavenging!
Whatever someone wants to do with it, it's there with multiple setup styles 👍
Very impressive. Thanks for sharing
Apologies if this has been asked before or if the info is already available: Will there be a Carb Cheater for multi-carb setups? I see you have a spacer for a 4 bbl with primary and secondary vacuum ports, what about if I have 4 carbs and each carb has a separate inlet each with a vacuum port?
Haven't tried, but there's no reason T'ing all of the manifolds together wouldn't work. It's an experimental product for sure - we need to try it on multicarb and tractors to see what small multiple manifolds and what a governor does
Great stuff Prof. Luke & Joe! Question: Will you expound more about the hypothetical Draw-thru carb Turbo 300 setup? How will that tuning differ from N/A tuning, considering increased dynamic compression ratio under boost & related Low Speed Pre-Ignition or detonation. Can Carb Cheater vary AFR in relation to manifold boost pressure since the CC on an N/A engine meters & vents air below the throttle blades into vacuum in the intake. Give it a think. Thanks for a reply! Waitin' eagerly for part 3 ! Thanks Luke! Paul from S. Central Tx..
All I would do is use a 2.5 bar absolute pressure sensor and tune for high load afr. Wouldn't be no thing. Draw through though, yeah I wouldn't use this for that
@@ThunderHead289 Will that 2.5 Bar map sensor be read by the Carb Cheater & be displayed by the software on the hypothetical 300 cid Draw-thru carb./Turbo combo. The goal is less than 40 % power/torque increase at WOT, plus all or better "fuel efficiency" (light throttle) Increase of the N/A CC combo. Is this unreasonable to ask of the CC draw-thru carb.-Turbo combo? I appreciate your input. I even plan to use twin parallel new diesel EGR coolers as hot coolant heat exchangers/vaporizers down stream of compressor outlet in this CC draw-thru carb.Turbo combo. The CC seem like a quick & easy way to tune such an experimental combo. Your Thoughts Prof. Luke?
Yeah as far as I know pretty much all the 300's had hydraulic lifters and you just torque the rocker to spec, and any excessive lash/noise from there on would be lifters on their way out or already dead. In rarer cases a bent pushrod. I had to call my dad on that one and he agreed he couldn't remember any of the other big 6's (300 series) ever having solid lifters
Rocker style really is unrelated to solid vs hydraulic - granted I wouldn't try to do solids on pedestal torque style.
@@ThunderHead289 Let me rephrase - non-adjustable is what we had thought. Preload on the rocker sure but as far as lash adjustment you just get what you got out of those for the next 30 years lol.
Nice man. Is that kit kinda similar/cheaper than getting a single brl sniper kit that would replace my single brl carter? Like "an in-between"?
I know my 79 300 4x4 is slow.. but I've still done basics. EFI headers, AL rad/E-fan, 130amp tarus alt, Saginaw steering etc. But I'm still running the original DS2 dizzy. Anything I can do to get better MPG/power though.
2 or 4 barrel carburetor with a carb cheater or the larger efi setup(the carter is a pain to tune but I started with feedback carter's so I can give you some tips)
I am super curious as to what your cheater does for fuel efficiency. Will you guys be testing for fuel efficiency? That data is super interesting to me.
That's a taboo topic but perhaps I'll film that this week
It is sad that better fuel economy is taboo, but big brother & petro giants are watching. Just buy the Carb Cheater for better "efficiency" & "lower environmental impact" & keep the fuel economy increases off of the internet , texts, & phone! Tell your increases by word of mouth directly to friends only!
Any thing for a tri-power edelbrock with Rochester 2gv carbs?
All you need is 1 common manifold vacuum port honestly - but I need to either find a dual carb setup to try on or install my own dual carb high rise I have
I’m working on an old F150 I bought with a 6 in it too. 1985, converted from feedback carb to duraspark. I’m new to vehicles entirely, and I’ve done a bit of work already on it. The resistive lead has me interested. Need to figure that out.
Really cool to see the data manipulation in real time 👌
One of the biggest mistakes FORD made was when they Phased out the inline 6 engine's.
Making a carbureted vehicle absolutely efficient and consistent, it's a great idea. Luke I wish you all the best with this exceptional product. I love you videos you're really informative and thorough. Keep up the good work dude 👍✌️🇺🇲
Great video👍🏻 I always learn something and found this episode helpful because I struggle to tune my 300! Thanks Luke!
The same resistive lead issue comes into play when converting an older GM engine from points to the GM HEI distributors. It WILL run, but like you said, not quite right and the HEI module will not hold up long term.
I really hope a few of these make it to a high school shop class. I think using these to do a unit on how the components of a carbureted engine work together would be amazing.
You could probably add a 0-60 timer in the app. Just need to also add in the G senser from the phone to initiate the start time. Since gps will wander even at a stop.
Mines rock steady - i programmed it to hard lock onto gps vs passive or fused provider scenario. I could put a 0-60 timer in there but to be honest the app is super fat already as is. I'll look into it though and see where I could put it without slowing anything down
@@ThunderHead289 Id put it as a selectable option hidden in the settings so when nobody is testing its hidden and not wasting and processing power or screen real estate.
Good to see you back Luke!
I can't wait to get one of those on my hotrod. Man that's cool
Hey Luke, just wanted to say thanks to your tinkering, you've inspired me to start working on my hall effect speedometer/odometer Arduino project again.
Keep up the good work, as always!
I just did a lot of work on my cousin's 85 f-250 with a 300 six. My cousin is not one to do much to it except regular oil changes. So the spark plugs were the ones that were in it when he bought it new. So a full tune up. Also i put a four barrel intake, headers, new exhaust. Ect. Now it runs like new. And he is getting better fuel mileage. He is happy.
Noice to see Uncle Luke Dundee make his triumphant return :-)
Swing a fuel can around like a billy full of tea and you're all the way there mate!
Well that and getting the missus to show you how to knacker a Ram with your teeth for some tasty BBQ Bush Oysters.............
I’ve asked before and forgotten the answer. Who’s singing over the end credits?
Never mind. Found it. Skorned - Psychosis Music.
Hey Luke! Awesome video…. Seriously how do I get one of these shipped to Australia. Have a series 3 Land Rover with a Ford 250 that runs Ok but could be way better. I’d love to pop Carb Cheater in it. Cheers. Ross
Super cool. Your unit is going to help a ton of people.
I hope so - so much of carb tuning is expirience. Carb Cheater does a really good job of bridging the gap of understanding. Most people going efi, really that's all the info they need at their disposal to succeed
@@ThunderHead289 I'm pretty sure you're the only person online who has really broken down carb basics for the masses. Unfortunately I forget things super fast.
You know I'm a supporter!! I've already got a carb cheater earmarked for a summer project :)
This is just so good! Good to see you go further with the cheater. Man that lawnmower carb on your v8 really showed what it can do.
. I just wish someone could have made the carb cheater 10 years ago when I started out - would have been a cake walk to learn carb tuning. I got here the hard way 😅
If you were to partner with painless wiring you could call it T Painless.....
You know because the Auto tune 😂😂😂
So I’ve got a question, I daily drive a 1967 ford LTD with a 390 short block and recently I put a Holley 600 cfm brawler on it got it tuned up and it runs almost perfectly until I give it enough gas to open the secondaries once they open it bogs down for a second then comes back to life but once they are open they won’t shut unless I let off the gas entirely and I’m not sure where to start looking it doesn’t feel like anything is obstructed but I’m far from knowledgeable so any advice helps
Is glad to see you making videos Again Uncle Luke It's pretty amazing what you can do with that carb cheater Is it blows my mind I could listen And learn new things from you all day long Is that's what I love about your channel Is not only a great content Is but you actually explain So even somebody would Is my abilities Is kinda understands what's going On you and Kevin Brown Are Just amazing what you guys can do Thank you once again for all your hardwork and great videos