Titanic Eye Witness Testimony Ep.2 - Edith Russel
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2019
- Edith Russel was an American Passenger on board the R.M.S. TITANIC, traveling first class. The ship began its construction in 1909 and was completed in 1911. It had some delays due to her sister, R.M.S. OLYMPIC having an accident on her first voyage, and it was not able to take sea trials until April 2nd, 1912. It would have been on April 1st, but it was canceled for high winds. She went round to Southampton, England and set sail on her maiden and only voyage after picking up passengers there. She stopped in Cherbourg, France that evening and the next morning stopped in Queenstown, or Cobh, Ireland. On the night of April 14th, 1912, she struck an iceberg on her Starboard (right) side. She could handle up to 4 compartments being flooded and still float, but the berg ripped open up to 6. She hit the berg at exactly 11:40 PM, and the excepted time that she sank completely s 2:20 AM, April 15th. This means that she took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink. She had a total of 2,208 people on board. 1,496 died, with only 712 survivors.
You-Tube is the closest you will ever get to a Time Machine. Here I am, late Monday Midnight listening to this lady from the 1970s...truly amazing
Glad you commented. I just said the same thing to my wife. I am 61 and never heard this recording before, but now this evening l am. Very amazing, indeed, your are right, it’s now 653 PM in Montana USA. Date 06/26/2023
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@@dalepxp8963 Phantastin. The comment was written in Heidelberg Germany. Montana is extremely beautiful, vast land great ranches.
And she was alive in 1911 on the Tiranic!
Literally doing the same thing ....middle of the night
It is remarkable that she would have been 90 years old at the time of this interview. What a memory!
This woman SAW the iceberg. She played with the ice that sank Titanic... in her hands...
I read somewhere that alot of people saw the snow on a few different decks.
Some on the deck where men that were playing cards inside went out to see the ice from the iceberg.
They were bringing large hunks if it indoors to show others.
Some even added the ice to their drinks.
Some even wanted to save pieces of ice as souvenirs.
Little did they know the horrific turn of events that were ahead for them all.
The stories of what took place during the evacuation to the life boats are incredible.
Their survival until rescued is unreal.
It's a true gift that we can watch videos of survivors telling their story.
It surely is...
Incorrect, facist.
You could tell this lady had a sense of humor! Made her so much more human.
Very detailed description given by Edith Russell 58 years after the tragic accident she was really remarkable and intelligent lady who didn't miss a beat in relating her experience i like the way how she remember to put the drama in her story. (I couldn't walk i was like a prioner in my own skirt).I will be listening her story as often as i get the chance.r.i.p Edith you were a gem of a woman.
1st class ladies survived because they got to the boats first.
The boats were gone before everyone realized it would sink.
How strange to put your baby in a trash basket, walk away and get into a lifeboat! I wonder if the baby who was reunited ever knew what his mother did?
Her accounts of (3?)bumps coincides with more modern assessments that the Titantic suffered puncture holes( rivets popping) along the hull rather than a 300' gash.
She’s good at telling stories. I could listen to her everyday about the tragic Titanic Story. R.I.P
She’s a great storyteller and has such a vivid memory.
She has humor too !!
RUclips is the only invention thats close to time travel . 😢
that's very true, it's a living history of events
She truly is a unique American character just like The unsinkable Molly Brown
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Thank you Edith Russel for sharing your story with us. We must remember all the stories of people such as you who survived the titanic.
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I was 10 years old then ( 1970) and living in the East Zone of Europe . The first notice of the Titanic tragedy I read in 1978 ( my English schoolbook) . One elderly lady who gave private lessons ( English language ) met once one of the Titanic survivors . I was 18 then and my lady tutor was maybe around 70 years old . Unfortunately I didn't hear much about the tragedy since my private tutor died in 1978. I thought I would have more time to ask her again. Thanks for this interview, it is the most reliable I have ever heard . RIP for all victims and survivors who had to struggle with the Titanic trauma. ❤😢
Amazing recoil of a tragedy at Sea
17:43 Imagine how many babies that didn't whimper and left forgotten by their mothers. Thank God and God bless that stewardess who saved him. In my country we would have given the stewardess as much respect as to the mother.
What an absolute charming woman and such a great storyteller
Very fascinating indeed.
But I noticed the difference in the interviews between first class passengers, staff, etc. it seems like the first class passengers were a little more “delusional“ about the safety and security
She speaks so beautifully like reading poetry and for anyone that thinks she’s lying well, she’s a first hand witness so I think I’m gonna stick with what she’s saying
🛵 No one thinks she's lying.
@@mikethebike2456 lots of people thought she lied about her memory of it
@@matthewbryant958 🛵 After a century of sorting things out, it appears no survivors lied about anything, and it all fits together well. Most all suspicion of their stories originated with the White Star Line to mitigate their losses.
@@mikethebike2456 (this is basically a novel, sorry lol)
OP might be referring to Edith Russel's statement that the nearby ship she saw was the SS Californian and NOT the RMS Carpathia. In the decades following the disaster, the Captain and crew of the SS Californian would never confirm that they were actually closer (
We are lucky to hear the stories still.
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Wow! Thanks for the Incredible story of survival ! She ended up suffering greatly due to poverty because she wanted that pig & didn’t take her money or jewelry. Then the baby in the basket was wild. And so smart to play the music box for the crying kids. What a night to remember, especially as the ship went down with many many people thrown into the freezing sea.
I watched another video of her. The pink pig was the only thing she had from her Mother who died when she was very young. It's all she wanted to take with her. But crazy she sent someone to get it. It really showed how unaware what was really going on.
She didn't suffer in poverty. She was from a rich Jewish family. She was just fine and had a successful career in fashion. Sadly, she did lose her fiance in a car accident and never married or had kids. But she had a full life. She was as close to a 'Rose' character as you can get.
Pretty sure that in “A Night to Remember“ the episode of the pig was played out. Also have seen where the passengers were told that the Californian would come and pick them up and the lifeboats were just to ferry them between ships. After all, that was the main function of lifeboats back then, not to survive on open sea with no destination in mind. “Inky black” is important since the movies, for dramatic effect, light the the scene up as though the moon was full.
Very fascinating. Thanks for uploading this!
He missed out the question 'Did you see or hear the Titanic sink?' He was more interested in how long it took before the Carpathia rescued them.
To be fair, the witnesses heard more than they saw because it was a moonless, starry night and there were zero lights illuminating the ship. It more than likely looked like a black shape sinking into the ocean.
Well this is what I would like to know. Did she hear anything? A big ship like that sinking, would it slip under quietly? She would surely have heard something when it snapped in two.@@tamiwatchesstuff
Mrs H 🇬🇧 ... Wasn't she a beautiful young lady... Thankfully she lived to tell the story but I'm sure she suffered what is known today as PTSD.... God love her & all those that lost they lives that night and for the survivors who suffered for the rest of they lives from the effects of that horrendous night...💔
It's nice to hear such beautiful language in a world of 'likes' & 'lols' 😂😂 x
lol
Interesting thumbnail, sir.
Quite a fascinating subject to explore. Thank you :)
Imagine your a sailor anout to die trying to save her life and she’s bitching about her pig and how she cant jump
The minimizing of danger with "we just hit an iceberg" is hilarious because of this very tragedy.
her story changes a little bit every time she tells it...
“Nothing at all... nothing at all... just a mere... nothing.............we just hit an iceberg” 😂😂😂
I love her story. Sorry, but in a weird way some details made me laugh a little. The diamond buckle, no underwear, the pig, her going back go bed, falling across the grand staircase in Ismay's company. What a life....
You mean she was pouring hot sauce on her story? I agree, especially the part about seeing somebody walking on deck of the California. That's impossible when the ship was AT LEAST 5 miles away.
@@bobbyheenan4061 as time went on Edith's story would get bigger and bigger to the point she was basically saying she and Ismay were having a torrid affair. I think she just loved the attention and the wilder the story the more media attention she got.
Back then, “underwear” often referred to undergarments that protected from cold, or shaped a woman’s figure. (Hose, slips, girdle, possibly corset?, camisole.) Not just panties like we think of today. A woman going commando would indicate she was loose with her morals, to put it mildly. Especially in her social set.
Fascinating story.She was pretty lucky and made several bad decisions but somehow wound up on a lifeboat.Why didnt the interviewer ask her if she saw the ship go down?
Maybe they did. This interview seems to be broken up in parts. Maybe it is incomplete?
Everyone in the boats saw the ship go down. How could they not?
@@SorayaEsfandiary_ I thinks some were further away. Some did not know it broke in half
Horrendous screeching, twisting, tearing and popping sounds, including boilers exploding, would have made it hard not to know that it tore apart, even if not seen.
@@user-zy3zd3sx2d Some thought it went down in one piece, so stop. You were not there and quit pretending like you were. Typical current day stupidity playing jolly-know-all. Good description of that part in the movie though.
The crew was so sure this ship was "unsinkable" ......"kiss your tranks and say good buy" he understand the cituation...how many stories have this souls to tell....two stories closed to death.....she remember the experience with Titanic after her second accident i think because was a very strong and socking experience to see the most big ship full of people sinking must be panic the lost seconds before ship vanish and after from all who are in the cold ocean without hope and somewhere to stay the most people they dont die from drawing they cold to death and after go down like Jack in the movie.....so tragic cituation....the sky was without moon only with the lights of stars like the stars expecting their souls....but from some the Titanic drama the rules for ships and big trips change....
Ya, even the moon hid because of the horror.
Fascinating, id love to hear her stories of the other ships that she almost sunk as well!!
I've listened to a few of her interviews over the last few days, they're a bit different but I guess at that age it would be hard to remember all the details, thankful for people like her.
I agree, I’ve heard 3 or 4 of her interviews, they all vary slightly. Considering what everyone went through that night, I’m sure it became a blur after all those years.
@@bradholland2092I wonder if she really being truthful 🤔
People retelling their stories can’t win with the public. If they recall it verbatim each time, people accuse them of sounding too rehearsed to be credible. If their recollections vary, people accuse them of being too inconsistent to be credible 😆
@@davidpar2I agree. Certain memories become clearer than others at certain times, even for tragic events like this. It’s odd sometimes how the brain recollects certain memories more than others.
This story is less about the sinking and more about her dresses and stuff she left in the ship
Edith Russel is an assumed name which she assumed in later life. Her birth surname was Rosenbaum.
she was from a rich jewish family and she worked in fashion she she tried to reinvent herself as a WASP it sounds like.
@@jeng8401She worked as an international fashion journalist & had to change her name during the war when antisemitism was rampant in Europe, or she would not have been employed
Nothing as amazing as first hand accounts.
I trust this lady more than any other Titanic witnesses
Doubt it very much she was starving after.. her family was very rich.
It’s hard to believe she didn’t really think anything wrong was going on… that was part of procedure and she’d be back for breakfast
2:03 that’s crazy show respect to Mother Nature
Her amazing story! She was saved by God!!
no saved by money 💰
@@josmith6684Exactly. If she was poor she'd be dead. No God to save her
The one through line through all the testimonies is how resentful they are over the Californian not coming to their aid.
The Captain of the SS Californian should have been held accountable.
@@janalove64 he was and wasn’t he was fired from the company. But was hired by another company quickly. While his career didn’t falter he did spend the rest of his life trying to restore his name and respect.
According to her, a Titanic officer told them not to worry as the Californian would be around to pick them up if they are not back for breakfast. Either this was a lie or there is something very wrong if true, as there should be no way anyone on Titanic would know something like that unless there was some prior arrangement, which eventually appears to have gone hopelessly wrong.
@@aj6954 it was a lie to get them on the life boats.
@@jeng8401 Regret that my previous comment was badly worded/ambiguous. There are a number of comments on this forum saying that Edith`s stories can vary and it is possible that she made up the one about the Titanic officer telling them Californian would pick them up, i.e. she lied not the officer was what was meant.
However, if she was telling the truth, it becomes a different story and warrants furthur investigation.
Gosh could have listened to more. I know they cut it there on that note, but could listen to her all day about other trips and so on.
She should have been a writer
@@totozviara she was a writer
@@Natashahoneypot a journalist, but did she write anything else?
@@totozviara I can't seem to find anything else. Prosibly some unpublished writing somewhere maybe?
Such a Stunningly Fascinating Woman with the Musical 🎵 🐖 Pig
She speaks exactly like my paternal grandmother. How strange to hear (what sounds like) her voice again...
I truly believe Bruce Ismay was judged wrongfully, and I don't think he was a coward for saving his own life. He only did what any human would have done at the time.
I 100% agree
No one will ever know the choice unless faced with it
Many say “ oh I would have done this or that
Maybe but he was the one who argued to not have enough lifeboats. Not that there was time to launch them all. So its up in the air and up to ones own opinion at this point.
I couldn't stand Ismay at all, but the other day I read about him in depth. Now I think differently.
@@josephdockemeyer6782 IMO - I think it is too soon to judge Mr. Ismay. we should give it a few more years
These accounts... Wow!!! I love them! Say what you will about her... Many years later she gave this same story. Unless you were there. You can not discount her.. would be interesting to know if they can recover any of her trunks.......
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No worries we just hit a iceberg... understatment...
Rich people are so materialistic… she reminds me
Some family members that I have… however I did enjoy her comment on “acute starvation” because that motivates me. I am 5 days without nicotine and I need motivation
amazing to listen too respect
God in other interviews this woman was so obsessed with her fur coat, her expensive dress and her luggage while others were drowning and screaming around her. She was uber rich and even sued for her luggage afterwards.
Many other rich passengers also sued the White Star Line over lost luggage.
@@Auerfelt Screw them too.
This is not her only interview. There’s other videos of her telling the story
God bless her RIP❤
So that mother took the sinking of the ship as an opportunity to kill her child and get away with it.
Yeah, that was definitely weird.
I don't believe this story and she may be making it up for drama. There were stories of people taking babies out of Mother's hand to get on a life boat. And had to have the Captain of the Carpathian step in to reunite them.
@@jeng8401 Okay, that doesn't mean this isn't true.
Listening to these interviews makes you realize how you should be expected to behave during the course of your life and also when tragedy strikes. These interviews are quite shocking I understand that in the moment there's fear there's adrenaline there's confusion however how do you forget that you put your child in a waste basket?
Yeah! I also find it schocking to hear that a mother could forget that she had a baby! Bless that stewardess❤️🙏🏻
Confusion? Yes, definitely.
Depends the time of the sinking this occurred that the woman dumped her baby in the trash can.
You're panicked, you're freezing cold, you're in shock. Your brain isn't functioning normally at this point.
I heard some situations in the lifeboats that were unsettling. Desperate people in the water, in shock and freezing trying to board the life boats and people in them pushing them away because their boats were full and they might tip which later was found out this particular one wasn't full.
How could you not rescue someone from 28° water when their was room for more on your rescue boat?
Some people had guns too and shots were fired at some point during the evacuation.
Not sure when or where but I heard it in a story on RUclips.
@@Lisa-hc3uq I wonder if the “shots fired” noise was the crew trying to get the attention of SS California. Or perhaps ice cracking? Haven’t heard/read that anyone fired a weapon as in anger.
The Californias Telegraph guy was asleep
That’s what we know now. I could be wrong. I watched the video yesterday so I would just look up this explanation and see
It’s the closest we can get to history !
Amazing/vivid memories.
Lol he said “enough about the damn pig….” 😂😂😂
A woman put her little baby in the garbage can so she could get into the lifeboats?
Wait a second wait a second …
even under the most extreme duress.
It’s very unusual for a mother to act against the best interest of her child, especially when it was “women and children”
And furthermore, she would guarantee a spot for herself w/a baby in tow
And would the mother be reunited with the child? She threw into a garbage can, and claims to have forgotten she gave birth to, and with that woman still be alive to be at that reunion especially if the son was now old enough to be a grandfather. That sounds kind of hokey to me .
This story didn’t make sense to me, either.
Yeah........that was beyond strange, I don't know if I believe that or not. If it's true, I don't know if I would have had a relationship with her.
She could’ve had post partum which can last for awhile not just right you give birth. Mothers can do crazy things in that condition
@@jojohunt1412 You know what? That's a great thought...makes sense. Back then, they didn't know the term "post partum depression." God forgive me, I pre-judged her.
@@fatimaqasim6222 As someone commented, it could have been post partum depression. Makes sense. They didn't know the term " post partum depression" back then, only those who have truly experienced this can understand.
Beautiful woman.
Lovely to hear this. Fascinating . She was quite a character, and not the nicest person - quite horrible -which is what makes it more interesting.
That was great unbelievable
“It was an unsinkable ship and I had my little pig what could happen to me…”
All the gentlemen helped the women and children - this is the patriarchy that protects us all.
What would happen today?
There weren’t enough life boats for the people on the titanic. That’s horrifying.
This was an incredible interview.
Too bad she lost one of the diamond buckles and all her money and jewelry. No insurance in those days…
Today there would be panic and very few men would have any sense of honour or dignity to sacrifice their lives.
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Men and women have become so confused. There was a time when we learned that we must sacrifice certain things for the good of the other and the good of all humanity. Now, the children are taught that feelings are facts and men can be women. It’s not that everyone was always good - but there were certain social mores that were important.
But when she said, she starved for 3 yrs just to pay back her debts! The spirit! True integrity!
@@idahardy4052 So true and well said 💯 👏🏻
She did sue White Star for her losses, I don't think she got much. But she was from a rich family. She was never in poverty like she claimed. Edith had no problem embellishing if it made the story better. That's why I think Eva Hart's stories are the most accurate. She saw it through the eyes of a 7 year old child. She just told the plain facts.
Does anyone know what "I'll pay you for the lamps" meant in 1912? Intresting!!
Everythings ok, we just hit a iceberg,. Well I guess I'll go to bed. People back then had a different way of looking at things.
Did you listen to her carefully? She said that the officers told her that "There wasn't any danger" and that it was nothing to worry about, so she went back to bed. In fact, many passengers came out of their cabins and wondered why the engines had stopped and were told by stewards that "there was nothing wrong." When it was determined that the ship was going to founder, Captain Smith told the officers that he didn't want a panic, so when stewards went to the passengers' rooms and gave the order to "dress warmly and put your lifebelts on and go on deck," the stewards told the passengers, mainly 1st and 2nd , that "it was a precaution." "There was nothing wrong with the ship, and it was a drill." and all sorts of things to not have a panic. The 3rd class passengers were pretty much forgotten about.
They stay denying woman’s truth 😮she saw what she saw jeesh
"Kiss your trunks goodbye."
So, after she still ended up on ships with "problems " .. wow ... She's a tough lady . Did she still have the broken pig ?
the "Californian" was the real culprit not Ismay
Towards the end of her life, Edith Russel was obsessed with Titanic and delusional. She became some sort of an inventor and falsely claims to be Ismay's mistress. I would take this piece of interview with a big grain of salt.
Oh, that's so sad! Dementia is an awful thing.
Maybe he did lay her, you don't know how it was back then, maybe she decided to finally tell the truth, you don't know how women was treated back then. It was an entirely different time, and with your future bias you can't tell anyone that you know exactly what happened for sure, yet she was there, like it or not
@@shable1436 No need to be crude. Decency costs nothing!
@@shable1436 that does not mean what she says is true. people claim lots of things and dementia is a real thing.
Interesting! Of course choose as you wish to believe her or not- but it IS intriguing that in this interview she mentions a “gentleman” she was supposed to have a very late night coffee date with, but she doesn’t name him. Taking your comment into account now, I like to think it was Ismay ;)
Okey
This is a completely different account from another interview she gave at another time.
I noticed that as well. It’s interesting how time seems to change their memories so they bring up different details that they forgot to mention before, but also gets rid of other details (or changes them) that they have said before
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What's fascinating is how much black americans at the time, couldn't spare any energy to care.
I asked my great grandma, Born c: 1910 , if anyone ever talked about the Titanic. She said it was in the papers and such, but that international news just wasn't accessible. A story here, conversation there...
However, the story and it's effects on white Americans is PALPABLE. Even those who were not keen on European migration and British opulence still hold a strong emotional connection to Titanic
A number of factors contrived to make the Titanic disaster live on in memory. There have been hundreds of other shipping disasters of greater magnitude that have been forgotten.
10,000 Germans drowned in 1945 when their ship was sunk by a Russian submarine. 4,000 Filipinos drowned in 1987 when their ferry was in a collision with an oil tanker.
The sinking of the Lusitania a couple of years after the Titanic is also forgotten, though 1,200 people drowned.
A couple of years ago 250 people drowned in a ship on Lake Victoria in Africa, also forgotten.
The Titanic is remembered because she was considered "unsinkable" and on her maiden voyage. Her name also helps, if she was called "The Princess Alice" the name wouldn't have any resonance.
Hollywood, also helped give her immortality by the several films that were made from the 1930's onwards.
Greetings from the UK
Then as now, the mantra is "fuck whitey". I'm okay with that. Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone.
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I believe Edith was american, not Irish.
Nope that definitely sounds Irish
@@knownpleasures she was American
Give me your number and we can whisper titanic secrets to each other
@@knownpleasures She was American 🇺🇸!
I hear a twang of Irish accent as well as American. 🤔 🇮🇪 🇺🇸
A lot of the 1st class passengers were Americans. A lot of the 3rd class were Europeans.
Most of the 1st class were Americans, with some Britons. Most of the 2nd class were Britons with some Americans.
what year was she born
June 12, 1879
It's unfair to try and make a villian of Bruce ismay or any other survivors from all accounts it seems like a lot of the passengers showed reluctance in going aboard the life boats that was made available to them, most didn't consider the situation that serious so other person's took their space.may all those whom perished in this unforgettable disaster souls rest in peace,we should continue have memorial for these victims as long as ever with the involvement of their direct offspring.
I thought she made Bruce seem sweet, she was scared to go on the ship and he encouraged her obviously he didn't plan the crash, not just that he saw her and made sure she was on the life boat rather than him, if he was a 'villain' he would have tried to get on in her place. He also encourages her to go on the life boat too by chucking her pig on the boat knowing she made sure she wanted to keep it safe, (that was the only thing she wanted to keep with her at that moment) and she even calls him a gentleman, please if I heard/ perceived this wrong correct me, but that's what I got from Edith.
She confirmed the story about a Titanic officer telling her the Californian would be around to pick them up. How could the officer concerned know something like that, which was wrong anyway as the Californian was 20 miles away and took no part in the event? She was one of a number who thought the ship seen from Titanic was Californian, but which we now know was Mount Temple which for some reason failed to attempt a rescue. The incident with the officer was included in the mini series by Julian Fellowes.
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I read that there were several ships that could've helped with an attempted rescue.
One was a fishing vessel that was fishing illegally and couldn't jeopardize getting caught doing illegal catches so they didn't participate.
There was another, I hope I explain this correctly, that didn't take Titanics help seriously because of White Starr's boasting that The Titanic was "unsinkable" and whomever had the control over a possible rescue didn't respond or didnt offer help.
It was mentioned too that he chose not to help because of the fact that Titanic ignored iceberg warnings and kept on sailing.
It was payback type of thing for all the hype over Titanics status and it ignoring iceberg warnings.
I hope the captain of that ship had disaplinary action taken against him for his extremely poor decision not to make an effort to help so many men women and children or at least had sleepless nights for the rest of his life.
How someone could do such a thing is beyond me.
Payback to White Starr or to the over a thousand of peoples lives? They had nothing to do with Cruise ships, costs and so forth or the behind the scenes bs between ship building companies.
Human lives were at stake and he blew it big time.
@@Lisa-hc3uq There is so much about all this that is unclear, particularly the role of the Californian which was said to be a rescue ship, but was far too small to do the job on its own and ended up 20 miles away and took no part. Lord`s instructions were to look out for coloured distress signals but saw none due to the distance, but what they did see was that fishing boat firing white signals which were not of the distress type. That ship was only a few miles from Californian and would have no idea what was going on, so as you say can be discounted as a rescue ship.
The only other ship to be considered was the one seen from Titanic, which many wrongly believe was the Californian but which was actually the Mount Temple, a CPR ship which answered the distress call, got to within a few miles of Titanic and then shut up shop, turned all lights off and then went away. One reason put forward was a company rule which stopped the ship from entering an icefield, but it`s quite possible that the Captain was got at to stay out of it for political reasons, something along the lines of what you are suggesting.
Pretty sure that if you were Cunard you’d hurry to be the one to the rescue the ship of your competitor that was “unsinkable”…
Also, ships at sea know that it could easily be them needing a rescue so you help others when that distress call comes.
I think in fact that the Carpathia who came to the rescue was a Cunard ship, or maybe I’m thinking of a ship that came by the wreck site a few days later.
@@grimtt But he did, and Carpathia was a Cunard ship. There have been whisperings that it seemed just a little bit too well prepared to be real, and on a geographical note it seems a little odd that a ship heading for the Mediterranean should be close enough to perform a rescue in the middle of an ice field.
Having read quite a few of the comments on the cowardice of the white star chairman, Bruce Ismay, I Happen to think That Ismay knew there would be no rescue in time, and felt he had a duty to save himself, mistaken in the belief he would be exonerated at any hearings into the sinking,Being the owner, maybe he also felt he was in a privilaged position, and should use that as a way out of the perilous situation, If that was me, I would not have taken that path, For I could not have slept well, knowing there were hundreds of women & children left behind. Ismay lived with that guilt for the rest of his life, Maybe he paid the price for cowardice in the end, Yes he still had his life, But He was a tortured soul after the enquiry.
🛵 And if you're standing by a lifeboat with plenty of room and no women or children are around, then you're a gallant, chivalrous fool if you don't get in. From that moment forward, Ismay did the right things for survivors with all the influence he could muster.
Just imagine, that night he must have felt more guilty and responsible that any man on any night in history.
@@mikethebike2456 No doubt about that ! Imagine how many husbands left behind, knowing they had to obey the laws of the sea,But secretly desperate to get into one of the lifeboats.
Edith's story changed many times.
In her 1957 interview, she said she was wearing stockings. In her 1970 interview, she was adamant that she was not wearing any stockings. In the 1957 interview, she said she was in her bedroom when the crash into the iceberg happened. The third bump made her grab the bedpost so as not to fall over. In the 1970 interview, she was sitting in the first class drawing room at the time of the crash.
If you listen to Eva Hart and Frank Prentice's interviews, their recollections of what happened to them and what they witnessed were the exactly the same, verbatim, in every interview they gave.
As i listened, i couldn't help but think of men changing into women today, i just wonder, so that they can be placed in lifeboats along with women and children. Somehow, bravery and courage just became an embodiment that truly means something beyond word's. True men , Gallant. Where have all the hero's gone.
Yes!
Yes, sadly it would be totally different today. We haven't even begun to understand the ramifications of what we are doing to the roles of men and women. I mean when you have to ask "What is a woman?" you know the world is different. It would be everyone for themselves on the Titanic in today's culture.
They've been writing regulations requiring a lifeboat seat for everyone on board.
You know that many lifeboats went away with unoccupied seats, right? And that Murdoch wouldn't let any men into boats, but Lightoller let men board rather than launch a boat with empty seats.
There's something wrong with yout brain.
That`s stand up comedian material, some guy on Titanic wondering if he could get into a lifeboat if he identified as a woman. Fits the situation perfectly.
Read the Wikipedia article about her and be amazed.
It is completely impossible for Edith to have seen the iceberg if she is correct in saying she felt the bumps as shes entering her stateroom. They were close to top speed, the berg would have gone astern of her position and she wouldnt have had time to get out on deck to see it pass. Much like Eva's accounts, they are filling in gaps with knowing what hapopened.
I don't think so. Thirty seconds would all be needed to go out quickly as her stateroom was on the promenade deck. And the berg would have still been visible
I'm pretty sure she's combining her own story with all of the stories that she's heard overtime.
You're writing letters you feel a bump you're finding out what it is now you're playing with ice on the deck then you're back to bed then you're alerted that you must put on a life jacket to come back out?
And that all happened in what? 30 minutes?
Plus I noticed that every single woman interviewed oh, that I've heard, has claimed to be on the last Lifeboat that left.
As a little more spice to the story and you also have to remember these were women in a stressful and crazy situation. Back then your husband took care of these types of situations.
You're not very good at listening are you. She had written letters and was having them delivered. She felt the bumps into the boat when she was at her door...in her state room she had a door that opened up to the promenade deck where the ice would have been and evidently was at brushing with the ice berg. Are you stupid and deaf? She literally just debunked your own theory before you even wasted the time to post it you daft twat.
@@jamesmiller5331 what a misogynistic fuck. She was a designer and didn't have a man with her. Before spewing such bollocks do some actual research you aul tit. "Your husband dealt with the situation" well I wudnt want you to deal a deck of playing cards because you sound like a proper spastic.
@@stiofanmcareavey1697dude chill out
@@SheriffofRottingham nope. No time for dumb as fuck people.
I don't see how the California could've helped much... Even if they got there in time, how do you transfer 2000 passengers from one ship to another in the middle of the night in mid ocean in less than 2 hours?
Not to mention it was freezing cold out and most people would've been in a state of panic. Titanic didn't even launch all the lifeboats they did have, so what difference would it have made if the California got there in time?
2 hours is 120 minutes rescuing one person per minute equals 120 people saved ''.... Now 1 person saved every 10 seconds is 6 people saved per minute''wich is a big task ) comes too 720 rescued.. so add this number too the number of people that were already in the life boats 705 wich equals 1,425 Lives Saved... this was really impossible because by the time a rescue ship came it would only have an hour to save the passengers from the ship or from the water..! they did a study in the 70;s or 80's of a ship coming too the rescue and said it was not possible to save many lives..
They could've saved at least 1!! And for that 1 it would've been worth it.
I feel that the Californian should have at least tried to help
@@JaneH3675 Amen
@@jesusislord3321 they seemed lazy.. might describe them or very in experienced with Responsibility
Wonder if any survivors will tell the truth if they saw the missiles that were responsible for the deliberate sinking...the ship was the Olympic and this was intentionally sunk
The majestic broke in half?
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“I really believe sometimes I sunk The Titanic!” As she laughed? She learned nothing and just loved the spotlight after. Horrible.
That was bitter sarcasm. I had a classmate, his mother got sick, didn't go to her college for a week, her building on the campus collapsed in an earthquake, no one survived. Then she got out for coffee on her job, a compressor burst, no one survived. After he was born, a train she was late for, collided with another.
She would send him on vacations with his father or grandparents.
Younever know what you may end up believing if things like that happen to you.
@@totozviara How lucky she was to be able to even make that comment at all.
@@SheriffofRottingham of course she was a bit of an attention seeker, of course she was rich, but she thought she deserved that attention for her extraordinary life and I think she might be right
@@totozviara I’m saying she’s lucky she got to make that comment because she lived to make it, being in first class and being a woman. Whooptie-doo have some empathy for the others.
@@SheriffofRottingham I don't know what this is..."because she was a woman". Society is jumpy over "woke virus", but how many women had any rights? You had to be exceptionally rich, from a rich family, to be able to decide anything for yourself. Men decided everything from number of life boats to water tight compartments design. Then you have the "she was rich", but she didn't deny she had a better chance.
Still, she is telling HER story knowing that what happened wasn't her fault, she was young and self centered, she speaks(often ironically) of what it was for her - playing snowballs, locking suitcases, taking her pig instead of jewellery and the men being annoyed at the fact that she didn't appreciate the chance to save herself. Would you like her to spare the grotesque details and be hypocritical and sound guilty? I think all her behaviour was aimed at teaching you have to take people for whom they are.
She spent most of her time talking about a f-ing pig that wasn’t even real….smh
Liar
I take what she says with a grain of salt. She was obviously full of herself and liked to embellish her stories to draw more attention to herself. The part about Bruce Ismay I don’t believe. Also, the part about “starving” to pay her debts? She came from a wealthy family, so I call BS ON that one.
Maybe to her having a bit less was considered poverty. I don't think she starved a day in her life. To add she also sued White Star for her losses.
This lady has been interviewed by many different people over a period of 50 years. One thing I’ve noticed, even as she got older, her memory of the details of the night has never changed. I’m told a person can remember minute details as a form of PTSD.
Imagine telling a Titanic survivor that their stories/memories are complete BS
No human is above lying.
@@OCDTraciI know! People who weren’t there saying “no that didn’t happen” 🤦♀️
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