he basically said his normal left arm hold was screwing up his timing so just held it more passive in the beginning to help with the timing but yeh it looks like he used it even more than normal.
Great video showing why the off arm is important! Remember seeing an interview with Paul after worlds where he discussed that he still used his arm during the throwing motion. That side by side really confirms it!
Great video. Off arm is one of the most misunderstood aspects of form. I still don't understand how people were saying that Paul wasn't using his left arm at world's, it's like no one even actually looked to see if it was true or not
Thanks for making this video with the side by side. If you look at it from the behind view like this your argument is very compelling. So compelling that I went back and was 100% ready to retract my comments. I could not find a good side on view of Paul during worlds. They shot everything from behind. There is a side view of Paul 2 weeks later at GMC with the same form change where I would argue that he 1) starts his left arm move later than he did prior to worlds in relation to his plant timing 2) holds his left shoulder back more than he did prior so that it doesn’t hinder his disc getting into the pocket and 3) is more closed with the left shoulder further back at the hit (his chest isn’t as forward) after worlds. Happy for the discussion and pushback.
In the video you're responding to, it was mentioned that McBeth said in an interview that he changed his form because "his off-arm was getting in the way." Do you have any comment on that by chance? (Interview clip: ruclips.net/video/MI_qqT69PMQ/видео.htmlsi=dPCmfV1_zuOGOY-z&t=690 )
If anything Paul stopped swinging the disc out in front of him and kept it close to his body. That’s the change everyone is talking about! I’ve never heard this take before about the off arm at worlds.
Overthrow: "If you disagree [with our opinion about the off arm], you are going to say but Paul McBeth has an active left arm. During Worlds last year, what did Paul do when he wasn't playing that good. He said in an interview that he just had to take his left arm out of the equation. So then you start seeing Paul have his left arm way more passive. He would walk up and not use his arm vs slinging that left arm in there. His left arm was getting in his way. How are you going to argue with that?" Well, this video shows that argument is bogus. The side by side shows that when Paul was throwing, nothing ultimately changed.
The reason so many people are stuck at 350 and can't get better is because they listen to people like that who don't really know what they are talking about instead of using their own eyes to look at what is actually happening. The last part of the throw is literally identical with the left arm and yet people were saying it was passive.
ok i just clarify coach actually asked/said this in his video "so why did paul hold his arm like that?" @@tonyriedel4421 and well like i said, the answer from pauls mouth was " because my left arm was getting in the way"
True Paul MacBreath did not use his off arm. He used his on arm the majority of the time when he won the Tour De France. But critics will say it was all his off arm. I’m kind of right in the middle. He most likely had some kind of electric bicycle . You could see some secret wires hanging from the rotator cuffs on the footage on youtube. Just my two cents
if you dont scroll down to read johns comment i think you can here for wrong reasons. Coach t doesnt even like DG and hates teaching. The only reason why he pumps out these videos so it gives us a chance to see some of the most epic comments on the internet.. @@WilliamLamyPhotographe
Looks like McBeth figured out the most effecient way to use his off arm. Less slag in his movement. Not saying there was a lot before but, leave it to Paul to tighten up what's already pretty close to perfection, right?
the offarm is not just a momentum builder or a thing you flail for follow through. it's a tension setter and a force multiplier. the reason you bring your offarm down and inwards right before you throw is you're increasing the tension / elasticity between your two shoulder points in that upper muscle group, and in turn, when you throw, you're letting that go and giving it mo' powah baby.
Completely agree. It would probably be more accurate to say that it helps pull rotation, than push rotation. And its not really the arm, more the shoulder protraction that causes the tension. Which means that players like Drew, Eagle, Paul and even GG, are still following the same core principle, even when using their off arm in different ways. The motion of Pauls left arm (and shoulder) is basically finished before he starts the actual throw. In my view, this means that as he is squeezing the left arm and shoulder in, he is resisting it with his coil (i.e. his core), to really strech the back. I have a suspicion that this is something that will be hard to execute for many people, simply because of lack of flexibility/elasticity across the back. Trying to mimic Paul (or other pros) timing with the back arm, will then lead to a much too early rotation.
@@ksu7595It does both, it's easier to spin faster when you're tightly compacted (look at figure skaters, dancers, etc) and you can increase the stretch in your upper back by bringing your shoulder in. I've seen Simon also describes it has a 'rubber band' while doing some teaching day with Eagle. So.. people saying the off arm does nothing are really just leaving extra power on the table.
instead of disecting pauls form like a surgeon and trying to figure out how he throws wouldnt it be easier just to ask him? lol or does he keep it some big secret like kfc recipe.
Tbf, a lot of these pros have been throwing for so many years now, some since kids, their form by now is just second nature. It'd be like me asking you to describe all the mechanics your body goes through when you go pick up a cup. You might just describe you reach your arm out n grab it, but some scientist might break down what your legs and core is contributing to the movement 😂 It's why anytime you watch these pros actually try to talk about how they throw or putt, it seems like they don't even know what they do, it's why they all got coaches to tell THEM what they're doing right or wrong.
is this a made up "arguement" ? i dont i have heard anyone say he didnt use it, he 100% changed how it was used, its pretty evident, but who are these people saying he didnt use it?
you all need to stop treating this stuff like its a religion, its wild how you take a side and run with it. I have friends who are coaches, who talk SHIL about T all day long and love to drag his name through the mud, but i also know a coach that doesnt agree with T, but fully understand and appriciates he has found another way to throw and with power. @@EllaWind00 your comment just screams how aligned you are with SSDG, and how OTDG is the devil and any mud you can throw is a win. Like if maybe you missed the part, but Mikey the VIDEO guy for OT is actually THE VIDEO GUY for Paul McBeth as well. so when the he quoted paul, you think he just made that up to make their video "right" yall need to understand there more than 1 way to throw a disc... if someone says its wrong just prove it buy using the wrong method and throw 400ft.. \
@@jerkwagonfwiw josh also said pros don’t know anything about form but the one time a pro agrees with him he has to make a video about it. I get what you mean tho. Any time anyone is looking for tips I send them to OT or spin doctor first.
this has nothing to do with that. my point was me making a statement, answering coaches question to "why did he change his form" well its no longer no one knows but Paul said why.. i m not here to debate what is better for someone who makes 1million/year over.. @@CherryB0mb333
he basically said his normal left arm hold was screwing up his timing so just held it more passive in the beginning to help with the timing but yeh it looks like he used it even more than normal.
Great video showing why the off arm is important! Remember seeing an interview with Paul after worlds where he discussed that he still used his arm during the throwing motion. That side by side really confirms it!
Great video. Off arm is one of the most misunderstood aspects of form. I still don't understand how people were saying that Paul wasn't using his left arm at world's, it's like no one even actually looked to see if it was true or not
Interesting stuff coach T
Thanks for making this video with the side by side. If you look at it from the behind view like this your argument is very compelling. So compelling that I went back and was 100% ready to retract my comments. I could not find a good side on view of Paul during worlds. They shot everything from behind. There is a side view of Paul 2 weeks later at GMC with the same form change where I would argue that he 1) starts his left arm move later than he did prior to worlds in relation to his plant timing 2) holds his left shoulder back more than he did prior so that it doesn’t hinder his disc getting into the pocket and 3) is more closed with the left shoulder further back at the hit (his chest isn’t as forward) after worlds. Happy for the discussion and pushback.
Paul rules 🔥 and coach T you are looking fitter than ever. Great athleticism!
Left-arm helps momentum obviously and then plants into the ground upon weight transfer along with right foot! From Small Town Oh.Birdleg
Hope he becomes 7 time so all those 6 claw discs I bought go up in value. >
😂
In the video you're responding to, it was mentioned that McBeth said in an interview that he changed his form because "his off-arm was getting in the way." Do you have any comment on that by chance? (Interview clip: ruclips.net/video/MI_qqT69PMQ/видео.htmlsi=dPCmfV1_zuOGOY-z&t=690 )
6 time about to be 7 time.!!! Mah man.
Coach, how svelte of a man do you intend to become?
If anything Paul stopped swinging the disc out in front of him and kept it close to his body. That’s the change everyone is talking about! I’ve never heard this take before about the off arm at worlds.
Overthrow: "If you disagree [with our opinion about the off arm], you are going to say but Paul McBeth has an active left arm. During Worlds last year, what did Paul do when he wasn't playing that good. He said in an interview that he just had to take his left arm out of the equation. So then you start seeing Paul have his left arm way more passive. He would walk up and not use his arm vs slinging that left arm in there. His left arm was getting in his way. How are you going to argue with that?" Well, this video shows that argument is bogus. The side by side shows that when Paul was throwing, nothing ultimately changed.
@@EllaWind00everything that comes out of Josh’s mouth is bogus
"(pauls) left arm was getting in his way" this is a quote from his camera man, that quoted paul.
Coach really showing the people what the Blind Camera Man couldn't see lol. All they had to do was look at the footage XD
The reason so many people are stuck at 350 and can't get better is because they listen to people like that who don't really know what they are talking about instead of using their own eyes to look at what is actually happening. The last part of the throw is literally identical with the left arm and yet people were saying it was passive.
maybe you should learn to read? the camera man was just repeating what paul paul actually said. so yeah
@@EllaWind00
ok i just clarify coach actually asked/said this in his video "so why did paul hold his arm like that?" @@tonyriedel4421 and well like i said, the answer from pauls mouth was " because my left arm was getting in the way"
What Paul said and what Paul did are too different things.
True Paul MacBreath did not use his off arm. He used his on arm the majority of the time when he won the Tour De France. But critics will say it was all his off arm. I’m kind of right in the middle. He most likely had some kind of electric bicycle . You could see some secret wires hanging from the rotator cuffs on the footage on youtube. Just my two cents
AI is ruining everything.
@@WilliamLamyPhotographeartificial John loves you. Thank you for your comment.
I know what you mean. I saw that video of mcbeth also. No way he won that race without a battery
if you dont scroll down to read johns comment i think you can here for wrong reasons. Coach t doesnt even like DG and hates teaching. The only reason why he pumps out these videos so it gives us a chance to see some of the most epic comments on the internet..
@@WilliamLamyPhotographe
Paul Macbeth is a Disc Golfer not a cyclist. You’re thinking of Paul Brunion
My request is that you film yourself playing an actual round sometime! I think that would cool to see
I will at some point
Awesome
Looks like McBeth figured out the most effecient way to use his off arm. Less slag in his movement. Not saying there was a lot before but, leave it to Paul to tighten up what's already pretty close to perfection, right?
the offarm is not just a momentum builder or a thing you flail for follow through. it's a tension setter and a force multiplier. the reason you bring your offarm down and inwards right before you throw is you're increasing the tension / elasticity between your two shoulder points in that upper muscle group, and in turn, when you throw, you're letting that go and giving it mo' powah baby.
Completely agree. It would probably be more accurate to say that it helps pull rotation, than push rotation. And its not really the arm, more the shoulder protraction that causes the tension. Which means that players like Drew, Eagle, Paul and even GG, are still following the same core principle, even when using their off arm in different ways.
The motion of Pauls left arm (and shoulder) is basically finished before he starts the actual throw. In my view, this means that as he is squeezing the left arm and shoulder in, he is resisting it with his coil (i.e. his core), to really strech the back. I have a suspicion that this is something that will be hard to execute for many people, simply because of lack of flexibility/elasticity across the back. Trying to mimic Paul (or other pros) timing with the back arm, will then lead to a much too early rotation.
@@ksu7595It does both, it's easier to spin faster when you're tightly compacted (look at figure skaters, dancers, etc) and you can increase the stretch in your upper back by bringing your shoulder in.
I've seen Simon also describes it has a 'rubber band' while doing some teaching day with Eagle.
So.. people saying the off arm does nothing are really just leaving extra power on the table.
instead of disecting pauls form like a surgeon and trying to figure out how he throws wouldnt it be easier just to ask him? lol or does he keep it some big secret like kfc recipe.
Tbf, a lot of these pros have been throwing for so many years now, some since kids, their form by now is just second nature.
It'd be like me asking you to describe all the mechanics your body goes through when you go pick up a cup.
You might just describe you reach your arm out n grab it, but some scientist might break down what your legs and core is contributing to the movement 😂
It's why anytime you watch these pros actually try to talk about how they throw or putt, it seems like they don't even know what they do, it's why they all got coaches to tell THEM what they're doing right or wrong.
@@ViJt-oq5nq interesting, thanks
the big diiference with paul imo, is him throwing slower, smoother... hitting a smooth 7 iron instead of forcing the wedge
Cant wait for the next off arm video
Crazy how people argue that Paul didn't use his off arm at worlds... #TrulyBlind
is this a made up "arguement" ? i dont i have heard anyone say he didnt use it, he 100% changed how it was used, its pretty evident, but who are these people saying he didnt use it?
Overthrow had a short where they were super happy Paul made their off arm video correct. But of course, they didn't look at the actual footage
you all need to stop treating this stuff like its a religion, its wild how you take a side and run with it. I have friends who are coaches, who talk SHIL about T all day long and love to drag his name through the mud, but i also know a coach that doesnt agree with T, but fully understand and appriciates he has found another way to throw and with power. @@EllaWind00 your comment just screams how aligned you are with SSDG, and how OTDG is the devil and any mud you can throw is a win. Like if maybe you missed the part, but Mikey the VIDEO guy for OT is actually THE VIDEO GUY for Paul McBeth as well. so when the he quoted paul, you think he just made that up to make their video "right" yall need to understand there more than 1 way to throw a disc... if someone says its wrong just prove it buy using the wrong method and throw 400ft..
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@@jerkwagonfwiw josh also said pros don’t know anything about form but the one time a pro agrees with him he has to make a video about it.
I get what you mean tho. Any time anyone is looking for tips I send them to OT or spin doctor first.
this has nothing to do with that. my point was me making a statement, answering coaches question to "why did he change his form" well its no longer no one knows but Paul said why.. i m not here to debate what is better for someone who makes 1million/year over..
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