How pros use their other arm to throw farther! | Physics of Form ep. 3

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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024

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  • @clsmith684
    @clsmith684 3 года назад +77

    Dammit, Danny! Stop giving me more things to think about. At this point when I try to throw I just lock up and assume the fetal position.

    • @olympics1234567
      @olympics1234567 3 года назад +3

      Thanks, that cracked me up!

    • @kruksog
      @kruksog 3 года назад +2

      Ugh. I feel that way too much.

    • @trollop4866
      @trollop4866 3 года назад +1

      That's real af lmfao

    • @louisbrownell4530
      @louisbrownell4530 3 года назад

      Then take one thing at a time. Not Danny’s fault it’s yours. Take one thing to work on at a time

    • @erik.pajula
      @erik.pajula 3 года назад +1

      I've been through that. My recommendation is (other than grip), don't really think about anything else. Just let it rip, and see where your disc goes. I used a disc with just lower distance than what I thought the throw was. I discovered my biggest (subconscious) concern was overthrowing holes. Once I relaxed, became more consistent, it became much easier to implement these different tips, and tricks without consuming all of my processing ability. Now I'm throwing the right disc for the basket, and have my distances more accurately cataloged in my brain.

  • @Grillchips
    @Grillchips 3 года назад +32

    Simon, Eagle and Pablo are really good at what Danny is explaining. 🙂

    • @jimmyblundell7600
      @jimmyblundell7600 3 года назад +3

      And GG for sure! Just in a unique way

    • @smp1396
      @smp1396 3 года назад +3

      Mcbeth does the arm forward thing, GG does the swim move.

    • @carlwilliams9642
      @carlwilliams9642 3 года назад

      Oh yeah. If you freeze frame Paul in the power pocket he looks like he's throwing a punch with his off hand.

    • @danielskousen7063
      @danielskousen7063 3 года назад +1

      uuuuuummm, has anyone heard of Casey White?

  • @danielrosborne
    @danielrosborne 3 года назад +58

    That was the best argument for subscribing I've heard. 😂

    • @saulbenitez1765
      @saulbenitez1765 3 года назад +1

      He got me lol I can’t let me friends get better than me 🤣

    • @Beadfishing
      @Beadfishing Год назад

      Bro same. I like the way he thinks.

  • @CyrusDiscGolf
    @CyrusDiscGolf 3 года назад +3

    Man I can really ~feel~ the difference with this PC edited video... its incredible

  • @olympics1234567
    @olympics1234567 3 года назад

    I have to show this to my son. I started almost 3 years ago because my youngest son, that was 27 then, started and asked me to play. As we were learning, I pointed out this concept to him and he said I was full of beans. Lol. When you're old, every little thing helps. I think that when you're young and healthy, you do a lot of these things naturally without even realizing it.

  • @docv73
    @docv73 3 года назад +9

    I think you're missing something - which is why the swim motion works...
    This is my understanding of the body mechanics...
    Pulling the arm in to the leg STARTS the rotation and weight shift - the arm is like a small light weight pendulum that is used to lead into the other motions, to build momentum.
    After it is tucked, and the weight shift and rotation are well underway, the arm then becomes a counter weight to push off against. The effect of throwing the arm back out again - the swim motion - creates a counter push, similar to a gyroscopic effect, that gives the rotating body something to push against. It's basically recreating the momentum from tucking your arm, only now it's in the other direction. The tuck occurs before the peak of the throw (power pocket) to help get to that point quickly, and the swim occurs after the peak of the throw to help translate the arcing rotation into linear forward momentum, and momentum into speed.
    I don't know if I'm explaining that well, but there really should be both motions not one way or the other. How big you do both, the efficiency behind doing both, and perfecting the timing of both is the difference between a 700 rated newby trying to copy RUclips videos and Ezra Aderhold. Ezra has a video that does a decent job of explaining the combination of both moves, as well as involving the chest.
    I think the reason the above view example video works is in his shoulders. Watch the example video again and watch his shoulder and tricep. He pulls the shoulder in instead of tucking the whole arm, which also collapses the chest, so he pushes out his chest as well as the swim motion as he's moving towards his release. Less movement, same effect.
    I'm no expert, and my longest throw is only 392 feet BUT that's without a run-up or X step, because both knees were trashed in a work injury. It's not quite a stand still, but it's close, and the only way I'm throwing 360 average, with 392 long, is the timing in my rotation and arms. I've had to work hard on understanding them to relearn to throw since the injuries.

    • @jodypowell5375
      @jodypowell5375 3 года назад +2

      I watched the Ezra video too. Left shoulder moves inwards RHBH. Then both shoulders are forced apart when the disc is in the power pocket 🤔

    • @markhumphrey8894
      @markhumphrey8894 2 года назад

      @@jodypowell5375 Correct! So, Newtons 3rd Law is correct in the backhand throw. However, the swimming idea is even better, in discussing the 3rd Law. If you just bring the back arm forward, you are just going forward and no opposite and equal reaction. There is no pushing back as Danny was showing in the car example. So, the back arm needs to start forward, HOWEVER, it needs to somehow, push back in order to get the 3rd Law of Newton to be activated. The arms need to be working away from each other, otherwise you're just riding the chest and arms forward and no brace.. like I do:(. I'm learning as an old guy.. 57yo.

  • @ianirvingthorsonc
    @ianirvingthorsonc 3 года назад +1

    Awesome as usual! Im translating this into spanish for our Spanish speaking fans! Also the past one... Gotta make the "3 ruler hinge thing" 🔥🔥

  • @joshgrenig3520
    @joshgrenig3520 3 года назад +1

    I can't wait to give it a try! Might be my favorite video yet

  • @maxagnewalhagen1152
    @maxagnewalhagen1152 3 года назад

    great to see new content again. technical content is as welcome as any

  • @tonykaze
    @tonykaze 2 года назад

    A lot of the more recent videos I've seen are calling this the "rubber band effect" as pulling the arm in tight stretches out your back muscles between your shoulders, which 1: does what you're explaining (angular momentum / figure skater analogy) but also 2: it speeds up your throwing arm purely through the back muscles, by pulling your throwing arm through the muscles in your back. If your off-arm is loose, that second part never happens. Timing here is extremely important as you want the elastic "bounce" of your off-hand yanking across your back to time perfectly with coming out of the power pocket.
    This second point might be worth a whole video, if you haven't done one already.

  • @baldjustice393
    @baldjustice393 3 года назад +1

    I've been struggling with this motion and getting the timing of it correctly, but when I do it correctly, I can not only see the results but feel it in my throw and also see much better aiming results! I'm grinding to figure this out cause I know it's very effective when done correctly! I have seen and felt the correct results and also the wrong results! It's tuff to get it right but when you do......it's a great feeling!

  • @patrickcarey6838
    @patrickcarey6838 3 года назад

    I very much enjoyed the more technical video! I've been working on implementing this and you're right, the timing is tough

  • @thatdude2783
    @thatdude2783 3 года назад

    A lot more technical, but I think ome big thing I've been struggling with, without even knowing it Now I can address it, and work on it. Thank you.

  • @ArcticKats
    @ArcticKats 2 года назад

    Thank you for teaching us how to do the off-arm the Eric Oakley way! I had lower back surgery in 2016 & can't rotate my hips as much as most can. Eric's way eliminates most of the twisting motion and still provides more power than my usual limp off-arm technique 🤣

  • @ricardnygren
    @ricardnygren 3 года назад

    You explain it so well, Danny! Thumbs up!

  • @Moving2Korea
    @Moving2Korea 3 года назад

    Danny, the nerdier the better! Keep it up!

  • @davegarrard5630
    @davegarrard5630 3 года назад

    Good stuff bossman... I've been looking for someone to explain the micro step by step process of the disc throw. My son has forced me to play all in a effort to lose weight and get back in shape. So far I'm down 18 lbs. and my throws are getting farther and farther. But I'm not even close to being there yet. I started out with a basic disc golf beginner kit a few months ago. Throwing maybe a ridiculous 50'. I didn't know what was good yet so I thought I was doing ok. :) Anyways I'm around 150' to 200' now with some ok control. We play 18 everyday but take Sundays off now for that 1 day a week we do nothing.
    I feel good even though my body aches all the time...:) Thanks for the micro tips and keep them coming... they are appreciated.

  • @frankiereliford4105
    @frankiereliford4105 3 года назад +1

    Your videos have been fantastic for me, I’ve learned so much from you in the few weeks that I’ve been playing. Thank you!

  • @metaphysicaljones9318
    @metaphysicaljones9318 3 года назад

    I struggle with what to do with my off arm. When my form really breaks down, it goes straight up in the air… and so does my drive. Good advice in the video!

  • @_TDG
    @_TDG 3 года назад

    YAAAS! More technical videos Please.

  • @dice568
    @dice568 3 года назад +3

    Shouldn't this be ep. 3?

    • @DannyLindahl
      @DannyLindahl 3 года назад +1

      Yes my B it should be fixed!

  • @alexandercampbell7903
    @alexandercampbell7903 3 года назад

    I will tell you why 70% of us have not suscribed:
    Because we are assuming you have one Channel (Danny Lindahl) and two (Dynamic Discs). So when a new video of yours is recommended; we assume it is from the Danny Lindahl Channel and we are not reading.
    Maybe this is not true for everyone, but it is true for me.
    I have been following your vids for 2 years and today (08/21/2021) I come across this video where you say 70% of you is unsubscribed I say to myself of course I am subscribed, but I double check and was surprised I wasn't; and immediately figure out the issue.
    I have been subscribed to Danny Lindahl for almost 2 years; and just idiotically assumed all of your videos came from one Channel.

  • @jwoellhof
    @jwoellhof 3 года назад +4

    Watch Garret Gurthie's left arm. He gets an extra 100' with it.

  • @masjut1
    @masjut1 3 года назад

    Great advice. I really see what you’re saying.

  • @phillprivers3274
    @phillprivers3274 3 года назад

    Love the detailed stuff !!

  • @dEmAndreev
    @dEmAndreev 3 года назад

    Great tutorial! Thanks!

  • @woodcutr47
    @woodcutr47 3 года назад

    Iv been struggling with my distance for years, since 1983. I’m willing to travel for a couple of lessons, how do I set private lessons. I live near Philadelphia.

  • @chrisschuster9828
    @chrisschuster9828 3 года назад

    Danny is awesome.

  • @CentralOSurvival
    @CentralOSurvival 3 года назад

    Good stuff Danny!!

  • @samibberg105
    @samibberg105 3 года назад +1

    ”…because muscles…” 😂 I feel you bro!

  • @joebrannon8843
    @joebrannon8843 3 года назад

    Great video!

  • @rogerjones332
    @rogerjones332 3 года назад

    Huh? You only showed Oakley in the overhead slomo, not Clemons

  • @ianirvingthorsonc
    @ianirvingthorsonc 3 года назад

    Th forward motion is the pecs working, the "swimming" motion uses the back muscles more...shoulder should only work as a lever(my experience, not a rule)

  • @danneff6693
    @danneff6693 3 года назад

    I love your humor!!!!

  • @tonykeith8823
    @tonykeith8823 3 года назад +1

    "I read on the internet" so I I see you're well studied

  • @thunec
    @thunec 3 года назад

    i had been trying to incorporate this recently but found it awkward feeling. the "swim" technique that you mentioned feels really natural. could you say if it is less effective or is it actually as good?

  • @Beaglefaust
    @Beaglefaust 3 года назад

    I'm subscribed. That's why I'm so good.😆

  • @apackofviceroys
    @apackofviceroys 3 года назад +3

    “Right handed privilege” - lol

  • @davidwishecoby7797
    @davidwishecoby7797 3 года назад

    Aiight bruh... I Subbed! Lol

  • @astronomicaloddz4599
    @astronomicaloddz4599 3 года назад

    I still haven't "gotten" the backhand yet. Been throwing drives for about 3 week and trying to emulate different things I see, but I max out around 200'. I was actually looking for an order of operations of a backhand throw and makes me sad to hear there isn't really one and it all "kinda happens at the same time" The biggest challenge is 100 different videos on the internet that all say different things. For instance, one video will say plant your front heel, then start to rotate, while others say start to rotate then plant your heel. How do you learn proper form right from the beginning, so you don't have to spend weeks fixing the bad habits you picked up along the way blindly figuring it out?

    • @brian6speed
      @brian6speed 3 года назад

      if you don't plant you can't transfer power

  • @trevorwhalen8659
    @trevorwhalen8659 3 года назад

    Awesome

  • @billorozco1431
    @billorozco1431 3 года назад

    I'd compare it to ripping a package open then following thru with a left handed body punch

  • @adamsmith-mu5qg
    @adamsmith-mu5qg 3 года назад

    At the end of the day.....get your rounds in. The disc don't throw itself...throw everything....making burritos...putt the tortilla on the plate.....make sandwich....hyzer the bread annnnnd the cheese!!!! Disc golf is a journey beginning with a fledgling arm...flap the wing, throw the thing until you soar like Phoenix. Patience my young chickens!

  • @oliround
    @oliround 3 года назад

    Thank you for spreading this hidden secret

  • @tylercarman2084
    @tylercarman2084 3 года назад

    This was like some Bill Nye type shit

  • @steviefresh5343
    @steviefresh5343 3 года назад

    “…because muscles.” Haha

  • @SZbooyaka
    @SZbooyaka 3 года назад

    OK, just tried this with my usual card of friends.
    Them: whoa you added some distance to your drive! What are you doing different?
    Me: Danny Lindahl told me to punch myself in the crotch while running! XD
    Them: O.o

  • @liammildcurry
    @liammildcurry 3 года назад

    moley moley moley

  • @guataman24
    @guataman24 3 года назад

    Yea those guys don't throw as far or win as many NTs

  • @danielschwagler6229
    @danielschwagler6229 3 года назад

    Fine.....I subscribed.....happy now?

  • @thomasproffitt4587
    @thomasproffitt4587 3 года назад

    Mole

  • @ryankoffel8480
    @ryankoffel8480 3 года назад

    lol "they will git gud"

  • @tommyboy4835
    @tommyboy4835 3 года назад

    All good until the nerd shaming 🤣. Informative, never really thought about how the off arm could add to the throw 👍

  • @travis7433
    @travis7433 3 года назад

    They’re all pretty nerdy actually. I’ll still watch all the same

  • @loopedmess
    @loopedmess 3 года назад

    70% dislike ads

  • @jeremyhays9433
    @jeremyhays9433 3 года назад

    Not gonna lie. Loved his old videos... These new ones are not as good. To much time spent trying to be akward funny like other channels instead of getting to the point

  • @DGMaxWax
    @DGMaxWax 3 года назад +1

    First…

  • @rfinnegan7106
    @rfinnegan7106 3 года назад

    This makes zero sense. Distance comes from smooth speed. Off arm is relaxed and at your side. Golf is about accuracy and not about distance.

  • @AlchmstDsgn
    @AlchmstDsgn 3 года назад +17

    Danny is the boss. I love the nerdy stuff Danny! You do you boss! The physics of flight series is a re-watch for me often, so I can get myself dialed back in.
    Thank you!

  • @discgolfamateur8692
    @discgolfamateur8692 5 месяцев назад +1

    Bring back Danny! You had the best videos

  • @_EmagdniM_
    @_EmagdniM_ 3 года назад +2

    Just finally subscribed thanks for the reminder Dan.

  • @ryankoffel8480
    @ryankoffel8480 3 года назад +1

    Really like this video Danny. I have also noticed that certain pros (McBeth in particular) use this mechanism to initiate their rotation, but they also seem to use their "closed/compressed" shoulders as a source of power at the release by opening their chest/pinching their shoulders to use the strong muscles in their back to accelerate the disc. Would love to see you break down that part of the throw as well.

  • @philipblume1093
    @philipblume1093 3 года назад

    I gotta admit...the timing of that timing joke............................................................made me laugh

  • @shaynekobelsky8441
    @shaynekobelsky8441 2 года назад

    Haha! Love the statement up to :40! I’m actually getting a lot better watching, playing! Good vids!!!👍👍

  • @mikeslinde5506
    @mikeslinde5506 2 года назад

    Sooo this is soooo interesting....so it’s like a “sling-shot” effect right?.....there is another gentleman on RUclips that has been making videos out now for awhile that has been analyzing this concept. Are you guys trying to steal his thunder? It’s a good thing if you are trying to simplify this type of throwing...but you have to give appreciation to the original “sling-shot” disc golf man.

  • @JejuneJesuit
    @JejuneJesuit Год назад

    European players seem to have the best off-arm drive. Kristian Kuoksa, Albert Tamm, Niklas Anttila...

  • @Javaman92
    @Javaman92 3 года назад

    Wow Danny, at one point you took yourself more seriously. 😕
    How can you expect us to trust what you say when you seem to think you're a joke.
    I've been subscribed for a long time. Believe in yourself. Why just about every disc golfer knows, slow is smooth and smooth is far.

  • @danielsigursson6215
    @danielsigursson6215 Год назад

    Very clear how to's and how not to's. Something to think about along with fixing my wrist angle.

  • @professorb3744
    @professorb3744 2 года назад

    How does it feel to take your right handed privilege for granted? If you could change dominant hands would you? What?! So your are handist after all

  • @daltonfletcher5473
    @daltonfletcher5473 3 года назад

    Bro your knowledge does help for real but Eric Oakley has 1 of the goofiest form I can’t really configure my form from his example

  • @professorb3744
    @professorb3744 2 года назад

    Eric actually does do what you’re talking about. It’s just the top half of his arm where and your can see how it drives his shoulders

  • @NebulousWyatt
    @NebulousWyatt Год назад

    I'm a beginner, but after trying out both for a while I think I like the swim because it feels smoother.

  • @Gma_likes_bacon
    @Gma_likes_bacon 3 года назад

    I'll be honest I wasn't subscribed, but that sir. That is how it should be done. Consider it done.

  • @JimBobDewayne
    @JimBobDewayne Год назад

    4:31 Has anyone else in history had clothes, bag, and every disc the same color before?

  • @Daniel5.14
    @Daniel5.14 2 года назад +1

    Thank you. This definitely isn’t talked about enough. There are tons of videos on form and none of them talk about your back arm but when you watch a slow motion clip of nearly all the pros they all swing their back arm in so it is clearly a crucial aspect. It’s like the secret trick that no one talks about.

    • @jensine4046
      @jensine4046 Год назад

      Totally agree about how Dan is the only video i have seen about the left hand! Going to try this, and already know thats what i was doing incorrectly haha Thank you so much for sharing:) I'm a subscriber for sure:)

  • @charlie3449
    @charlie3449 2 года назад

    the most important part to a good joke...
    is timing

  • @isaks3243
    @isaks3243 3 года назад

    fun fact, I don't really have an off arm.
    it is super practical =)

  • @lowhagel
    @lowhagel 3 года назад

    I can't have my friends being better so you bet your a$$ i subscribed

  • @krauselee877
    @krauselee877 3 года назад

    Im just gonna go forehand roller for now on...

  • @Gerbs964
    @Gerbs964 3 года назад

    i think torque would be the word your lookin for

  • @royaljdaniel
    @royaljdaniel 3 года назад

    Nerdier the better. Keep it up Danny.

  • @mishaostrovsky3668
    @mishaostrovsky3668 3 года назад +1

    Is there a rule against holding a weight in my off hand?

    • @michaelcushman
      @michaelcushman 3 года назад +1

      I had the exact same thought. A 1.25 lb. Weight is light enough that the off arm can easily move and control, and fits in the hand, yet it is 5 times the weight of a disc. Giving it a try seems promising.

    • @mishaostrovsky3668
      @mishaostrovsky3668 3 года назад

      @@michaelcushman yeah I always kinda wondered why some pros wear wrist watches. Maybe this is it.

  • @bobbydetter332
    @bobbydetter332 3 года назад

    Timing joke got me 🤣

  • @brosa1212
    @brosa1212 3 года назад

    Was this made on the new PC?

  • @kristofferbjernman5219
    @kristofferbjernman5219 2 года назад

    Thanks!! 👍👍

  • @alexandermendez4653
    @alexandermendez4653 2 года назад +1

    I've been playing for a year and a half. I've been stuck at 300 feet for a while and have been wondering what I'm missing to keep improving. I think this is it.

    • @drewg3087
      @drewg3087 Год назад

      I’m almost where you were at when you posted about 280-300 run. Want to get to 400 by next December. Any help?

    • @alexandermendez4653
      @alexandermendez4653 Год назад +1

      @@drewg3087 I actually haven't been playing much. My friend I used to go with moved to a different state and my other friend I went with has a girlfriend who hates me and I hate her, so we don't really hang out much.
      I guess I would say when I was throwing my best, I wasn't trying to throw far. I focused on smooth effortless movement. It's not arm strength, it's centrifugal force. Really coil your body up like a whip and uncoil while transferring your body weight from your back foot to your front. Hope that helps.

    • @drewg3087
      @drewg3087 Год назад +1

      @@alexandermendez4653 thank you man! Hope you pick it up next year.

    • @alexandermendez4653
      @alexandermendez4653 Год назад +1

      @@drewg3087 I'll get back to it next year. I was throwing almost 350 this spring so I definitely need to get to 400. I miss it.

    • @drewg3087
      @drewg3087 Год назад +1

      @@alexandermendez4653 love to hear it man. Please do for you! For my mental health it’s a necessity. Take care!

  • @coaster37
    @coaster37 3 года назад

    Very good video Danny! I think I have been overlooking this in my game!

  • @Jono.
    @Jono. 3 года назад

    I've seen Calvin shoot his offhand through in his throw as well.

  • @BMXriedl
    @BMXriedl 3 года назад

    explain this same concept for forehands please

  • @idocare6538
    @idocare6538 3 года назад

    Been looking for someone to address the off arm for so long. Thank you! Some of the questions you answered, I have asked pros who do it and they don't seem to realize it. Btw, I watched that vid of Oakley before and it seems he is still bringing the off hand shoulder into his body like the hand dropping would do.

  • @JerryBearry
    @JerryBearry 3 года назад

    Thanks, Danny. After watching this tidbit of information and then watching the top pros in action, they are doing exactly what you pointed out with their left arms. I would not have noticed this otherwise. I am getting very useful lesson instructions from watching your videos. Thank you!

  • @echoli2859
    @echoli2859 3 года назад

    Great video, I have noticed different pros are doing this and have been working on mine. Just as you said, most of people rotate their off arms like what you did in the video, and I have tried it, it did work. But look at Paige Pierce form, her off arm is more like pulling away from her throwing direction. And I am currently trying it out. Would be great if we can discover more of it and have more detailed explanation. Guess it’s a lot to do with physics. Thanks for the video!

  • @UnluckyHydra
    @UnluckyHydra 3 года назад

    Where is Phsyics of Form Ep. 3? Edit: (Glad you changed it). Great video! I noticed this more recently but I didn't realize it can actually make a difference. I'll have to try and focus on it during my next field work day.

  • @samuelhedstrom2343
    @samuelhedstrom2343 3 года назад

    Pulling your arm inwards isn't only to engage rotation. It's also to allow rotation to happen faster. Having your arm stretched out increases your moment of inertia which allows you to store more rotational energy with slower rotation. By tucking your arm inwards, you're lowering your moment of inertia meaning that the same rotational energy will rotate faster. Just like when on a rotating sling attraction (one of those tractor tyres hanging in 4 chains). If you reach outwards, the sling will rotate slowly, but when everyone on it pulls in, it will rotate alot faster without adding any energy to the sling.

  • @FerretL0ve
    @FerretL0ve 3 года назад

    I like the nerd videos. Keep it up Danny. Not saying that *you* specifically are *necessarily* what some might consider a “nerd.” But…. Just that the actual research and info you share is awesome!

  • @Paul-wk9ky
    @Paul-wk9ky 2 года назад

    Good stuff! Been looking for how to add more power and distance to my throws without throwing my arm out. Excited to try this. Thanks Danny!

  • @ElMofo9
    @ElMofo9 3 года назад

    I like the nerdy sciencey videos like this. My mathematics education stopped at calculus and physics in highschool but when ever you break it down in those terms in a video it clicks in my head really well

  • @jdybballfreak1
    @jdybballfreak1 3 года назад

    You continue to be one the best presenters there is. Excellent video. Excellent argument to subscribe. Very compelling

  • @ajwilliams6551
    @ajwilliams6551 3 года назад

    If I wasn’t already subscribed I would’ve subscribed. That’s was a solid sell.

  • @KristoVaher
    @KristoVaher 3 года назад

    Lizotte and many great throwers do this to great effect. I think that the reverse (like Gurthie) is far more difficult to master.