Sustaining Stupidity - Why CinemaSins is Terrible
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This video contains spoilers for the following films:
Get Out
I, Robot
Interstellar
It Follows
Squirm
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When I'm wrong, I'm being satirist.
When I'm right, I'm being a critic.
When I'm stupid, I'm being an asshole.
When I'm funny, I'm being a comedian.
Nice to be able to tie that off so cleanly.
i don't have anything to add,but i felt such a good comment should have at least one reply. very nice!
@@martinpachu7125 >I don't have anything to add
>Adds something
@@Liam_The_Great debateable, like the original comment, nothing was really added lol. like uh yes, people sometimes act in different ways. what a profound revelation that simply MUST be commented on lmao.
@@masync183 I don't think you understood the point of the comment. But what to expect from a fanboy with down syndrome?
@@Liam_The_Great What's the color of your wheelchair?
People who go around saying "I'm, an asshole", oddly tend to get really upset when you start treating them that way.
Guys I said I’m an asshole, that means I’m actually NOT an asshole why are you treating like I am one 😠
Good piece of advice I recently learned, if someone says, I'm an asshole, believe them
underrated comment
People who identify as an asshole often need a new personality that doesn’t revolve around them being “an asshole.” They often use it as an excuse to just be straight up douchey and overly negative.
Same way goes for people who say "I'm a good guy", when they are clearly just not.
“In 2015 Disney announced a live action Winnie the Pooh, this angered Jeremy and he uploaded a video…”
The most hilarious line ever spoken
Ironically that's actually the only Disney live action I've liked, because it wasn't just a lazy remake, it continued the story, showing Christopher Robins adult years
I had the same thought. Like really thats thing that got your goat!
Fun fact FilmToaster made a “sad edit” on this and hollywood on “Ot is too late to save movies cause this is the future you chose” bs as a whole when the industry has changed for somewhat the better on non disney creators getting recondition and animation becoming revolutionized and spread out more like with Sony and Dreamworks
And also A24 and Pinocchio being one of the only non Dreamworks or Disney movies to get an Oscar in recent years
Making a video while driving? And Hollywood is the problem?
i watched cinema sins as a kid and good lord im shocked my family didn’t actually kick me out cause id just regurgitate their “points” and ask pointless questions during movies and shows that were obviously going to be revealed later or were purposefully mysteries
I used to do that too. I'd try to remember some things that cinemasins has said, than I'd constantly interrupt the movie to get up in front of the TV screen and regurgitate all the things I can remember.
Same, I usually hadn’t even watched the movies either
Hey, at least all three of you are aware and better now. The CinemaSins guys haven't changed a bit.
I remember discovering CinemaSins when I was WAY younger, originally thinking they were movie mistake videos (I can get really sucked into those), and not noticing any problem with it, but then eventually my mom found out about it and said I couldn’t watch it anymore. Now I’m actually pretty glad she did that; they’re a terrible influence. I was also eventually introduced to CineMAREsins (on only My Little Pony), which originally I was uneasy about, but that guy’s jokes are often actually funny and can point out genuine flaws in the series. And he IS a brony, so it’s criticism, but not hate
* proof-reads my comment * yeah I think I got everything
@@inkandpaintsnowleopard5669 god l wlsh my mom had stopped me from watching them.
Last time I watched a CinemaSins vid, they weren’t even critiquing the story
They were telling what just happened on screen with a snarky tone and counted that as a sin
And that's the reason why I tell people that Cinemasins is a reaction channel.
"Ok so the dinosaur attacks the car" +1
Cinemasins would give a sin everytime a character shows up on screen
@@whatdadogdoin634they legit sin Stan Lee cameos. Like, what the fuck?
One of the things that annoys me the most is saying that characters eating apples or something like that makes them look like an asshole. Like... what?
"If you have to keep explaining that your work is satire, you made really bad satire”
Seems legitimate.
Not exactly. A LOT of people are dense AF
@@dash_r_mediaI think that says less about the satire and more about people being dense sometimes.
@@dash_r_media Isn't the point of comedy to comply with what the people find funny.
If everyone thought mailboxes were the funniest thing, anyone could recognize a joke about mailboxes said to them.
If anyone thought cinemasins made satire content, cinemasins wouldn't have to repeatedly clarify the purpose of its content.
Or what you're making fun of is insane.
"The Onion could never be mistaken for actual news."
That is an unfortunately, horribly aged statement.
@Тити Мити In the years between the making of this video and the making of my comment actual news headlines have become more and more like they ought to be "The Onion" headlines
The onion are pretty good at writing news also real news often make some shit up too for more views but not like everything but certain things
r/atetheonion
@@dr.calibrations7984 I think it was eather The Onion or BB that made a short saying 'everytime we try to make satire it keeps becoming a real thing'
That's not because of the Onion though. That's just people being more and more ridiculous. CinemaSins is supposedly doing it deliberately (or at least pretending they are so they can deflect criticism aimed at them, like literally anyone ever who has said something dumb/awful and then tries to cover by walking it back as a 'joke.')
If fanfiction has taught me anything, it’s that clichés are good. They have to be utilised well, but they’re good. Because, sometimes, life is “cliché.” Having clichés just makes a story fun because it’s an opportunity for the creators to play with clichés in different ways.
Cliches aren't a even really a tool or a deliberate effort. They're just patterns that line up across the history of storytelling because humans respond to specific themes, characters, and events, so they naturally become part of tons of different stories. Writers don't sit down and open up the Big Book of Cliches to pull from. They're pulling from history, literature, and their own experiences, and it might blow some peoples minds to realize that the human experience tends to be pretty relateable.
@@SpoonyBard88 technically those patterns are called "tropes", a cliché is a trope that has been so overused that the original meaning has been lost. Cinemasins uses the two terms so interchangeably that I don't think they know what the difference is; to them, cliché is just a buzz word to throw around when you notice said pattern. Ironically, they've used the word cliché so much that it has become in and of itself a cliché to them, without them ever realizing it.
They are expecting a lot from human imagination...
@@pyronuke4768 they called actors appearing in the same genre of films a "cliche" so their definition of "cliche" is "any kind of patterns whatsoever" I guess?
To some degree, the fact that I read certain genres, including fanfiction, means I WANT to see certain cliches. I read hurt/comfort fanfic about sympathetic villains because I want to see a really melodramatic redemption arc. I don't care that I've read the exact same story seven times that day already. I click those stories BECAUSE I know pretty much exactly what I'm going to get.
CinemaSins is the ultimate Schrödinger’s Joke: it’s a joke if you disagree with their points; it’s a valid review if you agree with them.
It's always been a joke. Their valid critcism is a part of a joke, so it's not criticism, but there to "act" as fun.
Shaggy missing the point of this entire video. CS makes mistakes in their videos constantly, and people think it’s a valid point but it isn’t. You can have fun with dissecting a film and discussing it, but CS gets it wrong on so many levels and then gets mad about being called out for it. They also play it all off as a joke on one hand, and then will say they are reviewers and it’s always this flipflop. So you have some people who think it’s a joke and have a good laugh, and if that’s all CS was then cool, but people do actually use them as an honest review channel and CS won’t correct those people on it. In this video there’s proof in interviews by the creators of CS who’ve stated in multiple interviews they’re a joke and in many more interviews say they’re giving a review, so doing that means we as viewers are somehow tasked with deciphering which is which even in the same CS video. It’s absurd.
@@claudiocambria Even the ones who take it as a joke have got a problem since they think everything is a joke. The only ones who do not have a problem and know what is wrong and what is right are the ones who don't watch Cinemasins because they know the line between right and wrong is blurred there.
@@shaggyrogers7986 I want to add what their jokes are. Boner jokes and level 1 jokes.
Level 1 jokes are jokes that would break the rule of Pixar, to not pick the first thing that comes to mind. Especially considering how CinemaSins thinks they are so comedic they make even worse jokes than if they just did L1 jokes.
Not only that, but their brand of criticism is ironically extremely dumbed-down and examines films on a very superficial level.
Y’know I must admit, for all the vitriol and bile that Cinemasins has created, they did lead to Cinemawins, a wonderfully optimistic channel that praises aspects of a film with the motto “Every film is someone’s favourite, let’s find out why”
Hello, fellow Cinemawins subscriber! Hope you've been watching some good movies lately. 😃
cinema wins is amazing
I love that channel too! I'm a bit cynical, so it's nice to remember the good things about all films
I was so happy when I saw CinemaWins for the first time. It helped remind me why I liked some movies in the first place. The internet has enough negativity. It's great that someone chose to spread happiness instead.
Cinema Wins helped my enjoy Spider-Man 3 again. 😁😁
22:50 "Unnecessarily donated to charity" is the most god-awful, morally bankrupt, and straight up the stupidest thing i think I've heard this week.
“But it’s a joke!!! You snowflakes wouldn’t get it!! Stop getting so mad over nothing!!”
- some strangely angry CS fan (atic), probably
"Pink is unnecessarily being worn by manly nfl players."
Pushing the belief that pink is a "girl color" and therefore cannot be worn by "real" men
Add toxic masculinity to the heap of bad things they push onto people
Stop hating on sc hes a really good youtuber and all of his points are good you weirdos!!!!!
@@user-qo6pw7pn3w You sound like a 9 year old defending their favorite minecraft youtuber lol
@@theoriginalman9426 crazy I sound like a 9 year old yet you dont know what a joke is.
I find the notion of someone not watching Get Out due to a Cinemasins video deeply disturbing
I didn’t watch it cause it’s by Jordan whatever.
@@Bell_MattWhat’s wrong with Jordan Peele?
@@leaked_toilet4526There's nothing wrong with Jordan Peel but Get Out is a very flawed film. The problem with Get Out is that it built a narrative around the theme instead of vice versa. This doesn't mean it's a bad film because there are interesting concepts and good story beats in the film. But because the theme is taking into priority it definitely interrupts the films narrative as well as causing people to over look it and only focus on the theme rather then the entirety of what the film is.
@@-deadmanmystery-6124 so you didn't like that the movie was trying to get a specific message across?
Yeah, that was obviously the one and only problem.
cinema sins is the literal embodiment of that one friend when your watching a movie that says “oh wow of course he tripped while getting chased by the villain what a stupid cliche hahaha”
I really thought I wasn’t allowed to critique his videos because he always jokes about his viewers getting overly triggered.
Honestly what's wrong with that
@@amazinhaydz2032 the joke doesn't even funny, and there's a lot of content with better quality on youtube like this channel
Haydz A NO U!
Haydz A
NO U.
You know those kids who used to say "I meant to do that" every time they made a mistake back in elementary school? Well, that’s Cinemasins in a nutshell.
But there are a lot of things wrong and the thing is people hate cinemasins because of the success just like how people hate someone like lebron James.They dont want to hear about things wrong with there movies and get upset when they do. So the hate is usually jealousy because they dont like what they are doing that's why people like to point out there mistakes it's like when a player stephen curry misses a shot the haters jump to hate on him.
@@kirkjoe6085 You alright up there? Anyone that's successful is clearly the superior and right being, huh?
@@charlie7mason how would you feel if you were to be hated by multiple people just for doing your job I know you wouldn't like it. Still people don't follow the golden rule and do whatever. Also are you suggesting you know him personally and know he is a bad person if not then your just assuming
This is so spot on, damn. These guys truly behave like kindergarden kids.
@@simons.2281 who are you replying to
I love how Jeremy's legacy is having his own format turned against him, the endless cycle of cynicism continues to turn.
Just out of curiosity since i dislike CS a lot as well, how did it particularly turn against him?
@@orlandofurioso7329cuz people have slowly started to use his format against him by criticizing him in his own style
@umairashraf5167
Imagine him malding live while he's watching one of those.
@@orlandofurioso7329 People have been making videos in a CinemaSins style format where they go through CS videos and point out every mistake and count them all up at the end
@@orlandofurioso7329 CinemaWins is a parody of their channel, and gets more views than CinemaSins at this point.
I had a roommate once, a peaceful, curious person. Told them that seeing Blade Runner 2049 in theaters was my favorite cinematic experience of all time.
They snarkily responded something in the lines of "I've watched the CinemaSins review, that shit looks boring as fuck".
I'm still shocked to this day, partly because my fanboy feelings got hurt, partly because of CinemaSins prompting such a dickish response from someone that usually never talks shit about anything.
In fairness, it is a fairly dull film, though beautifully shot.
I don't wanna judge... but for the love of God I hope you're in therapy and I must stand to wonder how good you are to the women in your life. That movie attracts a specific flavour of man and that flavour is risking sexual assault charges at any given moment
As someone who's seen it- it is boring, but it's also visually incredible and had a lot of good themes. It's a shame people use things like cs to review a movie before giving it a chance- I watch a different Jeremy when I want to know if a movie might be worth checking out.
It’s a slow burner, it only clicks for the people who are into that, and oh boy does it click when you fit that demographic
@@joestevenson5568 in fairness, maybe you should know the thing you're talking about before saying it's shit
how is that hard to undestand
“If you pretend to be stupid for long enough, you just look stupid.” this line was golden and soo true
You keep a fake personality long enough it starts to become your second nature
"If you make a channel about nitpicking movies for long enough, other people will start to nitpick your channel."
if you're pretending to be an asshole, people are going to start treating you like an asshole
Basically the "jokes on them I was only pretending to be retarded" meme
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Ratatouille, of all movies, had a good little speech that really applies to Cinema Sins:
“In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.
I remember that monologue. One of the most beautiful things I’ve ever heard.
If your criticism is entirely negatively intended, there was little reason for it to be said, basically.
Unless something can be taken from it and used to actually improve the thing, why say it?
ironically, this video is a critic of a channel that criticises movies; does this quote not apply to this video?
@@curtisfarley6558 lmao that would imply cinemasins created anything of substance in the first place.
@@megablaze1951 "lmao" where is your million views?
I used to really love CinemaSins, back when their jokes were funny to me, when I was twelve
Yeah, I remember clicking on them when I was only about 13 (started watching at 11) and just realizing “wait this content is shit”
To be fair, their earliest videos did point out actual movie mistakes, like seeing a boom mike in shot and such. But haven't watched them since i was 14 so ymmv.
I watched CinemaSins when I was in elementary and middle school, and it genuinely was awful for me. It made young and impressionable me feel horribly guilty for enjoying any movie because according to them, most of the media I loved was apparently ridden with tropes, mistakes, and bad writing. They’re genuinely a cancer to RUclips and their content is damaging to audience members who are impressionable and sensitive.
I don’t even watch them but fucking hell if a random person on the internet making a harmless video upsets u that much then maybe idk there’s something wrong with u 😂
@@Ollie-lz5hr imagine being so bored and insecure that you take the time to insult a stranger on the internet that you know nothing about. I think you just need a hug from your mom. Or maybe a nice talk with a therapist who can help you learn to work past the issues that cause you to be an asshole in order to feel better about yourself.
I watched them in HS and they did the same shit to me it was horrible
@@Ollie-lz5hr If you were an impressionable child then I’m sure it’d mess you up too. If a harmless comment bothers you so much that you choose to criticise them then you have problems.
@@RG-rm6ih don’t bother me more amuses me I thought freedom of speech was fundamental for humans to grow and develop so by wanting to cancel him just amuses me especially when there’s people spouting about Islamic terrorism but yet more people seem to be concerned about a man commenting over a movie 😂😭
the fact that jeremy, a grown man, went on a crazed tangent about how society is going to become “like idiocracy” and art is on the decline and being “dumbed down” because of *checks notes* .... a Winnie the Pooh film adaptation.... you can’t get any more pretentious than this, folks
Not to mention that his rant is actually a very valid criticism of the live action remakes that Disney keeps making.
But the Winnie the Pooh film (Christopher Robin) is not one of them. It is an original story about an older Christopher Robin, and only loosely inspired by the last chapter of The House at Pooh Corner. Unlike the movies that are adaptions of existing animated films - which I agree, it is increasingly concerning - Christopher Robin is an original story in the medium.
Another example that the Jeremy, and the Cinema Sins guys clearly don’t care for accuracy, or integrity.
This dude hates so hard it’s gross plus he uses the term Jokey jokey wtf is that lol?!
@@ABigBrickWall I don't even think he was talking about Christopher Robin. I think that was for the 2011 Winnie the Pooh movie, which is really short, but the most nuanced adaption of the Pooh books.
@person person seriously. Like were all sitting around watching "OW!! MY BALLS!!!"
Not to mention the sheer irony of complaining about society becoming like Idiocracy despite vlogging while DRIVING A FUCKING CAR!
Jesus, Jeremy. Keep your goddamn eyes on the road, man.
You know which CinemaSin actually kills me every time? Like physically makes me cringe? Their video about I Know What You Did Last Summer - they count as a sin that "someone forgot their pack of cigarettes, except we haven't seen ANYONE in this movie smoke" and you've literally seen Sarah Michelle Gellar's character smoke an entire scene at least twice. Like that's a LEVEL of COMMITTING to NOT watching a movie while watching it that I just can't grasp. It's not a funny joke, it's not an obvious parody... it's just flat out stupid.
Jezza no longer watches the movie.. he gets his unpaid interns to watch movies and make note of where a sin may take place.. they then write the script for him and he says it.. then more unpaid interns sync it with the film clips he also didnt source..
At this point even Jezza is too lazy to make the lazy content he is now famous for..
@@MarkOfTzeentch "Jezza"? I've never heard the CinemaSins guy being called like that yet. You must be British.
In the Mad Max: Fury Road video they literally manipulated the audio at the beginning of the film when Tom Hardy is narrating to make his voice deeper so they could make a Bane "joke/sin". Their commitment to treating their fans like morons is something to behold.
Two instances where I realized that CinemaSins wasn't worth watching:
In the "Battle Royal" video, they gave a "sin" simply because the opening credits are in Japanese.
In the "2012" video, for the scene where geologist Adrian was reading a book, a "sin" was given because said scene is telling us that this character is smart. (In case you don't know, "show, don't tell" is one of the basics of writing.)
Thank God for CinemaWins.
@callmecatalyst I would also add Decker Shado. He's always entertaining to watch.
Jeremy the type of person that genuinely believes he's smarter than everyone else and knows better on every topic.
You seem like the kind of person who genuinely believes they can judge people based off of no actual interaction with the person. Look at it this way, divide up your day into what percent you spend doing or acting a certain way, and you'll soon see that you probably aren't who you think you are either.
@@loganthompson5257 seethe and cope
@@loganthompson5257 you're literally doing the same exact thing you criticize them for
@@loganthompson5257 Yet you genuinely believe you can judge people based off of no actual interaction. Look at it this way, divide up your day into what percent you spend doing or acting a certain way, and you'll soon see that you probably aren't who you think you are either.
@@loganthompson5257 Man you got roasted in this reply chain
CinemaSins: We are assholes.
*One million people liked that.*
That should say everything that needs to be said about the people religiously watching and _defending_ CinemaSins.
They're mocking humanity, saying people are stupid, yet they make videos that apply to that exact kind of audience. They're mocking humanity's stupidity, but at the same time they make profit from it, and then get mad when people criticize them for it.
Thank youuuuu
don't get me wrong, i have binged their channel before. but it says something that i don't feel any urge to revisit them.
I guess people like assholes then for some pretend, empty, and hollow reason.
They are making the real sins at the end lol
It's always the people who self identify as assholes who are the least welcoming to any kind of criticism. They like the aesthetic of the asshole antihero but they don't want to have any of the charm or redeeming characteristics thereof.
It's weird hearing Jeremy's voice come out of a person rather than just being a voice
Seriously
And such a bland, dirty-looking person at that.
I was actually shocked to hear that that was his actual voice. Jesus Christ imagine having that annoying of a voice without filters.
@@Mmmmilo toxic
@@alexanderm.635 even more toxic
I used to love Cinemasins when I was younger until I LITERALLY realized soon after it was actively making me lazier with how I watched films, jabbing at them for no other reason than to make noise basically. It's kind of like how current Nostalgia Critic videos are basically just a bad recap of the plot (missing major elements) and terrible pop culture references and in jokes.
Yep, most of the time you go out and watch a movie and get your own opinion, then you see him critique it and your like NO I LIKED THIS MOVIE. Because you have your own opinion. I can’t tell you the amount of movies I decided not to watch because this guy thought they were dumb. I really wish I wasn’t so easily influenced online but this is the same reason younger people can’t vote.
This is why Th3birdman exists
Kudos for being honest and acknowledging past mistakes
Noah no,he's not that,you idiot
@@BlackOpsPeppe 1) who are you referring to who "is not"? I mentioned two people
2) you might not want to call other people "idiots" when you don't use this handy little tool called "the spacebar."
The cinema sins "we say wrong things on porpuse" seems like a case of the Schrödinger douchebag, where someone says something and the they say it was a joke depending on how others respond to it. Like "tomatos aren't fruits", to which someone replies "yes, they are" and they say "oh, we were joking.".
if i walked into a bar and cinemasins was playing on the screens, i would simply walk right back out
Yeah that sounds miserable
Like modern day ultrasportsfans but with gamer odor ewwwwww etc etc
No shit, who the fuck wants to watch youtube at a bar?????
I've always thought it was hilarious that they would give a movie a sin for having exposition. It's almost like it's an instrumental part of story-telling because the audience needs context for the story they're experiencing.
Exposition must make sense according to story's context, or else it seems like characters explaining for the spectator, which is horrendous in regards to "show, don't tell" and sense, given spectators don't exist within the story (there may be exceptions the latter, however they aren't the rule).
I'm not defending CinemaSins, just explaining why criticizing exposition may be valid.
@@DusKnight7th But they often sin exposition for just being there even when done correctly then cries when they are confused when a movie doesn't have exposition kind of a lose-lose situations
And they're too lazy to pick up on hints or visual storytelling or anything thats not holding their hand through the intro
Or how about how he always cries about narration while he's narrating a video 🤣
If the exposition is executed well, your audience won't notice it's there.
I love how Jeremy claims that he's hyper-observant, and then like half of all "sins" in the videos are actually addressed/explained elsewhere in the film. So he presumably just likes to think of himself as hyper-observant.
This became my main problem with CInemaSins. I don't remember which movie I first noticed it on, but I had just watched it the day before and my roommates were watching the sins video.
I made the comment, "That's literally explained earlier in the film, and *THAT* is explained TWO SECONDS later in the dialouge, you just chose to ignore it."
Then I went back a rewatched a movie I know I disliked after watching the sins video and realized Jeremy doesn't pay attention.
I've been Anti-Sins ever sense.
yeah, if that's a joke that's a shitty joke
Agreed that Jeremy makes claims he can't back up or would be better off not making them, but I for one have always taken Cinema Sins as turn off your brain and relax kind of channel and I don't think it was meant to be looked into this deeply.
Mihai Marcu thats good that you do this. but its so annoying and sad that there are literally people who rely on cinemasins videos as a confirmation for them to like/watch a film/movie. I remember i was on the bus one day and I overheard people talking about the live action ghost in the shell movie and one of them said that the the movie sucks and he wouldn’t bother watching it just because he saw a video of cinemasins trashing it. And this is unfortunately the sad truth about some people that instead of seeing the movie for yourself and to gather your own opinions, they will rely on these content creators for it which is unfair and potentially harmful to the film makers and their careers
@@costanostra2447 I totally agree, especially because I have a friend like that and she is a hardcore fan too. However, I don't think the problem here is with cinema sins as much as it is with the people that rely on others to form their opinions and assimilate that into their personalities.
"A community that prides themselves in them pretending to be idiots will eventually be infested with actual idiots thinking they are in good company"
5:52 'Falling into tropes' Tropes are tools, tropes are not bad. If we're going this route then every single media known to man is horrible, since tropes are so omnipresent even things like Protagonists, Villains, even having a plot (and not), are all tropes as well.
that's one of my main problems with cinemasins. Tropes exist because said tropes work
There was a fantastic bit in Venture Bros. where Red Death breaks down the "Gentleman Villain" trope, while the show was doing said trope. Top tier writing (and acting by Clancy Brown).
Legit when I was learning about plot mountains in 6th grade, I distinctly remember feeling extremely bitter that nearly every story could be roughly explained by the same simple formula. I feel like the "Tropes are always bad" mindset is fully to blame for that, because I remember how I used to genuinely believe that myself.
This mindset is so toxic that it made younger me pissed that stories share a trope as simple as _having a 3 act structure._
I find it pretty funny that the parody channel *"CinemaWins"* (which does the exact opposite, pointing out neat details about a movie) oftentimes shows a far better understanding of the movie's intent and more effort, but is also A LOT more enriching for the viewers pespective on cinema.
Yeah, I watched their video on Midsommar and it was great
thats because the the IDEA behind CS is just making jokes, it's not really criticism, it's jokes, thats it, but you have to be 01 open to the things you like being torn apart for any number of legit or non legit reasons for nothing more than a quick laugh, and 02 not be brain dead enough that you actually take it seriously,
@@blaness13 The idea behind their content being satire falls apart when they've shown time and time again that they don't view it that way. This video shows that pretty clearly, if you bothered watching it.
@@rtiq270 Grease1991 watched this video like CinemaSins Jeremy watches movies.
I don’t personally watch every CinemaWins video since some are clearly just him trying to do a bad movie because it’s harder, but I generally like some of his content. I’d suggest you check out GamingWins. He only does games he actually likes to avoid forced positivity, and ends each video with an explanation of what he likes and didn’t like. At the close of his Arkham City video he just flat out says, “I know I just praised this game a lot, but it’s my least favorite of the series and this is why.” Also, other channels that aren’t dedicated to sinning or winning movies/other media often produce much better stuff when they dabble in that format.
CinemaSins is literally the reason I became such a doubtful, neurotic, and insane writer. I couldn’t write anything without the need to be unnecessarily realistic and needing cumbersome explanations for things. Now I don’t care, I write the best I can
I'm trying to get out of that habit. I was watching some comedy movies recently and realizing, the set designs are absurd and only there to serve the joke, so if I was going to write in that style there's no reason I need to be caught up making everything "realistic". It's stifling to worry about explaining every little thing that lead up to a scene.
In many cases though, isn’t that extra realism incredibly helpful? It might actually be helpful.
this is precisely why I swapped over to start watching CinemaWins. no idea if they're affiliated (i don't think so) but it makes it far easier to write when you can see the positive impacts.
Same here. It's not only cinema sins, any big RUclips name "review" channel that did the same satire over criticism trick got me really doubting my work. I constantly think the second I put it out there, there will be people hating it for cliches, being too "girly", the characters not being realistic enough. I still struggle to this day but going of the drafts I've shown other writers they say it's fine so I guess it's just in my head..
Same here. It makes it near impossible for me to ever get through a first draft because I get frustrated and feel like I’m not writing well enough.
Keep in mind: In one of his videos (The Mitchells vs Machines) he sinned a movie for having a stop sign in the background with too long of a pole.
True. And that's not even the worst of Their sins. In their Toy story and Cars videos they sinned both movies for not having LAPDANCE scenes...in FAMILY movies. Let that sink in.
isn't the lapdance thing a running gag? /genq (from what i remember when i used to watch CinemaSins)
...the fact that he openly admitted that he'd talked to comedians about his 'comedy math equation' and none of them got it is a very bold move. Imagine openly admitting to everyone that you consulted experts in a field multiple times then just decided to ignore them when they didn't agree with you on your topic of expertise.
This intentional mistake thing is ridiculous. It's like saying: "I've shitted myself on purpose". Cool for you, but there's shit in your pants
This analogy is wonderful XD
@@bluebucktimbers heh, analogy
Lmao
This is perfect
“We made the first half bad on purpose”
I've noticed they frequently give sins for plot holes that aren't plot holes or things that were actually done correctly. For example, they gave a sin for fish people not spitting out air when startled underwater. Which...they have gills. Why would they spit bubbles? I know fish sometimes do release bubbles, but that's usually when they're adjusting their buoyancy by releasing air from their swim bladders, not when they're spitting out food.
And I know this is a random and overly specific example, it's just that it frustrated me because the animators had actually animated everything correctly right there.
The worst ones are during thriller or mystery movies where they say “wHaTs GoInG oN wErE gIvEn No ExPlAnAtIoN mOvIe JuSt TeRrIbLe” for stuff that will INEVITABLY be explained later. They are sinning a mystery movie for not explaining everything immediately or leaving stuff up to interpretation until the end, which would defeat the entire purpose of it being, you know, A MOTHERF*CKING MYSTERY. And in the case of thrillers, I guess they’d rather have them kill all suspense and intrigue by laying out exactly what is happening at any given point. They’ll be like “the camera zooms in on x character smirking, but we aren’t told why this is happening. Why is he smiling? Why does the camera feel the need to show us this? The movie makes no sense.” Gee fella, it’s almost like that’s something they wanted you to see, maybe it’s even _gasp_ a CLUE?!
@@thegrapethief5514 Yeah, that's frustrating. It seems like a lot of the stuff is stuff that you'd expect a kid to turn and ask the parents 'why is he grinning like that?' and the parents respond with 'watch the movie and they'll tell us'. But of course, he also dings movies for bad pacing and infodumping if they give all the information too quickly, so no matter what the movie does it's wrong.
@@PixieoftheWood yep. You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. Nothing will stop CinemaSins from extracting as much money as they can from a poor joke made at your expense and for their gain.
they constantly give a sin for exposition - like, do you NOT want them to tell the story? I get infodumps are bad writing but they frequently sin characters at the beginning of a story naturally talking about the things happening, and just say „uh, giving exposition huh?“ which is so mind numbingly dumb and goes to show they just look for anything to complain about
Or they sin something even tho it's been explained or will be explained. They try TOO HARD to find sins
The sin given on Get Out's traffic stop scene doesn't really work at any level. If she's been working Chris for months, why would she not continue doing things to endear herself to him? How is the audience expected to buy into their relationship if it's only told to us that they've been in a relationship for months, and not shown in a concise scene at the beginning of the movie? How is the reveal leading into the climax supposed to be impactful if we aren't first led to believe that Rose could be trusted to stand up for Chris? Also, she of course wanted to avoid a paper trail.
The intentional ignorance thing doesn't hold up very well when the criticism was delivered so earnestly. Even if it was clear that this was a joke, it would be a lame joke.
The fact that I, who still hasn't seen Get Out (YES ... I know ..... .... .. I'll get to it eventually don't shame >> ) understood why the film would have a character be a misdirection on screen, but Jeremy decided to leave that sin in, is, well .... a sin. *ding*
@@princeapoopoo5787 did you watch Get Out yet?
@@culbycove4963 LOL
CinemaSins claiming "we aren't reviewers or critics, we're assholes that make parodies" has big "It's just a joke, bro" energy.
Mel Brooks made parodies, and he said what he thought about critics in History if the World Part 1 (first cave painter draws a figure, first critic just pisses all over).
"We're not critics; we're assholes."
sounds like people who wanted to play the anti-hero but forgot you have to actually be redeemable in some capacity
this is such a good way of putting it, you are blowing my high as balls brain
Very well said lol
Wait, you do? Somebody tell Royal Road.
You guys are taking it way too deep it’s a channel that reviews movies holy shit
D egenerate
In their video about _Alien,_ they complained about a spaceship not being aerodynamic. A _spaceship_ which flies through _space._
papa shaym notice me
Dr Shaym A ship still needs to be built properly to fly well. Did you see the ship? Looks like a kid stuck a bunch of Legos together. (Love your vids btw)
A ship still needs to get into and out of the atmosphere and if it weren’t aerodynamic then they would burn much more fuel getting out
Samurott The Narwhal thank you
I always interpreted the ship as too big to get out of the atmosphere anyway, that it would dock with space stations rather than enter through atmosphere.
If you add 50% shit to your soup, the soup is still gunna taste like shit. You cant just mix satire with genuine beliefs and expect both of them to work well
The Onion satire analogy was EXCELLENT, well done on putting into words many of our thoughts on CinemaSins
Not in 2023 sadly, The Onion posts things that are far more realistic than real news sadly
@@ekay4495But the analogy wasnt about onion headlines being unbeliable, but that since onion presents themselves as a satirical newsite all around, you will generally take all their headlines as satire; while the danger resides in news that present themselves as supposedly reliable, while giving out ridiculous headlines.
This was an exemple as basis to critize that Cinema Sins do not present themselves all around as satire, and that many take them as a legitimate source of info about films.
Which, even if Onion headlines might be more beliable nowadays than "news sites", still stands.
I stopped watching cinemasins after I realized I was no longer enjoying movies. I would start nitpicking them myself throughout watching it, which took me out of really impactful scenes. I’d watch a review or summary later and find out I was wrong, but I still never got that initial reaction to emotional scenes
@Rosa Bethany Iglarsh out here asking the real questions
Imagine being a movie writer and some asshole wants you to be ignored even after giving your ideas just to be critized for fun
RANCAT Studio what are you even trying to say
@@JackthePumpkincat cinema sins isn't "fun" it's unfunny nonsense that fetuses find "fun".
Same. I noticed I had become bitter and spiteful towards movies I had previously enjoyed.
The worst part is when they make an offhand comment or inappropriate joke(they make a LOT of creepy and questionable jokes) and then count it towards the 'sin' counter as if it's the movie's fault.
The stuff they would say about women made me uncomfortable tbh. It always gave me frat boy vibes.
It's funny how some of their comments would have no connection to the movie but they still sin the scene.
w o m a n moment
This character’s name is Molly. My ex’s name is Molly. Plus 5 sins!
@@jujuaurelus everyone go home, you summed it up perfectly
10:09 This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Someone will make a joke that is factually wrong in every way, but because it's "just a joke", you can't point out that it is wrong. The issue is that people know it's a joke, but some people will end up thinking that some of the information shared in the joke is true. Jokes are much funnier when they are mostly true with some lies. When it is mostly untrue its is just annoying and it causes some people to think things that are wrong.
Agreed. I feel the same way when someone says something that's provably, factually wrong, and then claims "it's just my opinion". Uh, no, there's a difference between facts and opinions, despite what some people seem to think.
@@Gimodon yes, and there are also things that are only technically true, abused a lot in politics. For example when people want to justify denying aid to Ukraine, they say "you can negotiate peace with russia", which is only true in the same way as "you can play poker with a cheater" or "you can have a dinner with a live alligator". Well, technically, you COULD... But it's not a realistic prospect. So people use that stuff to try and manipulate votes and deals.
It often has "homeless people should just buy a home to stop being homeless" vibes. It's technically not untrue? But by intent it's just a lie.
jeremy's monologue at the end is peak irony. a soulless corporate shill telling everyone else not to be soulless corporate shills
The channel is basically, "Yeah, my criticism is valid." When someone agrees with them but "We're just joking, guys!" When someone disagrees with them.
thats whats called a schrodingers asshole
CinemaSins fans be like
Do you realize he himself has said they're not supposed to be taken seriously I'm the videos
@@chrisgarcia8502 Yeah, they only say that whenever they get backlash.
@@AnnieHarrison25 no it's genuinely what they've been saying it's satire and they said themselves they aren't meant to be taken seriously
"It's like watching the whole movie in 15 minutes" is the biggest problem I have with CinemaSins.
There are people that have legitimately been fooled into believing all modern cinema sucks because of these guys. There could be 2 hours of fantastic filmmaking, they'll only see the 15 minutes that Jeremy deems unworthy.
It’s basically the opposite of survivor bias
Why do people see this far into it???? Lmao watch the movie yourself and decide then watch Cinimasins
it's a supercut that skips over all context and talks over pretty much anything that's shown for more than a second continuously, you're better off reading a summary and watching clips of parts that interested you at that point
@@enordbuch Ah, right here is the problem. Love it when people out themselves like this.
@@Waspinmymind you people are self admittedly too weak to watch a PARODY youtube channel about MOVIES. i don't watch cinemasins but holy christ, it is A. not that deep and B. a problem with your dumb ass, not the channel
I've always felt it lacked vital critical thought to pick out the "sins" that a film commits. It imposes the idea that film is not an art form, but instead a very constructed system that must be perfect and not use any form of storytelling that could be seen as predictable. It also lacks the perspective that certain films are made by and for different people, and that you not relating to a film doesn't make it inherently bad, but instead offers a different idea than what you are familiar with. Unfamiliar doesn't = bad, and these guys insist they push back against unoriginal studios but insist that movie must be made according to their rigorous system instead of the artistic process of the filmmaker
My favorite thing about this video is that so many Cinema Sins stans thought the guy in the car in the start of the video was bobvids himself when that's actually Jeremy Scott, the narrator of Cinema Sins. How the fuck do CS fans not recognize their channel's own voice lmao
Its kinda poetic and ironic. CW dont seem to fully pay attention to the movies they review, and their audience doesnt pay attention to CW (I hope)
They're only programmed to recognize bad content so they can agree with it
They're only programmed to recognize bad content so they can agree with it. They're there for the "holier than thou" vibes, not to think critically.
They gave me the worst sense of perfectionism in my writing, I couldn't write until I finally stopped watching
I did feel that way for a while. Then I realized that as I looked back at my stories, they're super exposition heavy. And make the characters boring. So now I've realized that I want to develop them more instead of making so much dialogue.
It's funny, I bought and read Jeremy's book 'The Ables' a few years back. And oddly I remember it possibly suffering from those same mistakes. Guess that's why it's getting a re-release.
This happened to me too but it took me so long to realize that my perfectionism mindset came from them. Better late than never at least.
Just fucking like a CinemaSins fan to immediately jump to "Oh, you must just be lazy because I'll pick apart every little thing that people shouldn't give a shit about". Just like a CinemaSins fan to use a trite, done-to-death joke like "safe space" too. You're the guy who rushed to scream in his face for talking about what he felt. Maybe you need to get a safe space yourself.
@@hansarchbold7966 I thought this was directed at me at first lol thank you :)
@@dullicecream Agreed! I'm glad your doing better :)
Don't forget they once sinned a movie for not including a lapdance scene.
"Once"?
They used that joke in "Toy Story".
They sinned. A children's film. For not containing a lap dance.
@@JadeEyes1 W…T…F?!…
@@WilliamKnee I know, right?
*foghorn sound effect*
I really liked Cinemasins when they first started out, as they tended to focus more on actual criticisms like plotholes, technical flaws etc. Then the quality of their videos quickly declined and became neurotically nitpicky. And now after watching this video, I don't even respect them as people. They just attempt to damage control the public's opinion of them by giving a convenient excuse, like "it's just satire" "it's just a character". They really can't handle their channel being criticised, which is ironic for people who criticise others for a living.
And somehow they are so blatantly lacking in self awareness that they go on to upload PROOF of their videos being their actual opinions, and not just satirical comedy. What complete and utter morons. Their videos are practically dripping with egocentricism.
Yes it started with, “this cup moves in 2 seconds across the room” to pandering to the viewer, which got old fast
The four points a psychotherapist needs to diagnose narcissism are:
1) an excessive need for attention and/or validation
2) a disregard for other's feelings
3) an inability to handle criticism
4) a sense of entitlement
As much as Jeremy Scott likes to say "it's just a character I'm playing", there's hints throughout interviews, behind the scenes specials, and his social media which suggest that, while his does ham it up for the camera, he really is quite the narcissist
I've recently been watching a lot of cinemasins, and I was partially on their defense, but then i realised most videos i watch were from 5-7 years ago so that doesn't represent them well.
@@renamamiya158 You do realize that the stuff from 5-7 years ago is the stuff they're talking about in this video, right?
@@jonaut5705 I forgot cinemasins existed for a sec but i forgot to check the dates sorry.
I only started watching them recently, and I already felt like I needed to stop. A year ago I was really hyperfixated on The Hunchback of Notre Dame (disney) and I was rewatching it almost everyday, I even memorised the songs by heart!
And then I watched Cinemasins video of it. He said the music sucks, and in the end gave 15 sins for a happy ending that was "just flat out dumb"
The other night I watched all the 3 Night at the museum movies in one sitting, and was absolutely amazed by them. I spend my whole day drawing Ahkmenrah and realising the deeper meaning of the story. So I decided to watch Cinemasins video of it and oh my god.
He gave atleast 10 sins for Larry just existing, and without explanation for the fact that Rami Malek plays Ahkmenrah?! I still don't undertsand that one along with sinning "plotholes" that are explanied in either the other films or in the same movie, or by common sense.
So yeah I stopped watching them the same night they almost destroyed my whole experience with movies
I'm 99% sure he'll put "troll sins" in his videos, like "Hunchback's music sucks", just to get more comments so that the algorithm will recommend it more. (I checked the comments of that video when I saw it, and sure enough like a whole third of them had time stamped that sin and said they'd found the soundtrack really enjoyable)
Not entirely related to your point but I'm glad someone else is still interested in the NatM movies, specifically the character of Ahkmenrah, such an interesting character
@@TextbookSadassnatm is such a big part of my childhood. I’ve always liked the miniatures lol
The Hunchback soundtrack is amazing, especially "Bells of Notre Dame" and "Heaven’s Light/Hellfire."
It’s very wholesome to read about how much you enjoyed these movies. The fact that you loved them so much that you would rewatch them that frequently (I can relate) and that you were inspired to sketch characters and make new things is delightful. It’s nice to hear about people enjoying things like this, so I wanted to let you know that those parts of your comment are really sweet and they made me happy :) I hope you keep loving what you love!
The reason why CinemaSins is so full of these mistakes/misconceptions is because they're trying to inflate that stupid sin counter as much as possible. Pretty much any scene is wrong in some way, if you spin it the right way.
But...why do they do it? And how is that funny when you do it for every single video? It gets boring and pointless.
Elana Vital for money
And, they have Jokes and pop culture references so they can show all the best scenes in their videos.
Another reason is the typical RUclipsr problem of wanting to have a high upload frequency, thus downgrading the quality and originality of the videos.
Lol I love how people try to rant without relevance
Cinemasins is the epitome of "JOKES ON YOU I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE STUPID"
Jeremy was that kid that insulted you and bullied you then said "Its just a joke dude calm down" when he gets told off
I mean i like cinemasins
@@nomejest5919 hopefully, it won't reflect negativity on your analytical skills
@@nomejest5919 you have my sympathy
Unhinged Berdly energy
satire has become such a go-to defense for bad comedy that people have forgotten what satire is actually about as an art form. satire is a comedic vehicle for the audience to ridicule and challenge mainstream discourse. by laughing at the object of satire, the audience understands they're also laughing at politics or society. if people in your audience think you're serious and don't know what you're challenging, you've failed to create satire.
I remember watching their Cabin In The Woods video. For a channel that claims to be "hyper-observant" they never once made the connection that the movie was a satire of the horror genre.
I saw a great tweet that said, "cinemasins looking for plot holes in schindler's list and becoming a holocaust denier".
I think my biggest frustration with cinemasins is that they actively discourage genuinely engaging with movies as art. You cant genuinely enjoy or even comment on artistic choices like narration, montage, metaphor, whatever, because everything has to be veiled under the guise of ironic asshole comedy. Isnt that an exhausting way to live? Does a life where art is actively denied meaning satisfy you? Is it fun to be that fundamentally incurious? Arent you tired?
That drives me nuts too. That style of criticism where what the art is trying to convey is less important than the flashing pictures, the emotions it's trying to illicit is less interesting than the plothole-free story, and it's messages and meaning are far less integral to the perceived rightness of the critic. I think it encourages the lazy "I make *objective* reviews" way of criticism, where the most literal, surface level chain of events is the most talked about rather than what it has to offer. It's intellectual laziness, where deliberate choices are attacked as "flaws" since thinking about *why* the choice was made is less satisfying than complaining that the choice was made at all. I hate it when people say "well I don't see *you* making a movie," but with people like CinemaSins or MauLer (to a lesser extent than CS) and the countless brain dead morons in RUclips comments like myself that just say "thing is wrong."
My best friend used to say, "Some people just can't be happy unless they're being miserable about something."
He was commenting on the toxic effect of getting mentally fixated on anger & hate until it locks U into a behavioral pattern, the kind of shit that right-wing media outlets deliberately produce day in & day out.
Eventually, my best friend (a registered Republican who had grown up in & was living in a "red state" @ the time) got so tired of the nonstop parade of right-wing outrage that he just stopped listening to it -- in his own words, "It is exhausting!"
It's probably mostly for the RUclips money.
I've had worse jobs.
It's like movies HAVE to be as literal and easy to understand as possible. So anything that isn't is just bad
kind of like a person seeing something kind of 'weird' and going "WHOAH WERE THE CREATORS ON *DRUGS* MAKING THIS XDD"
Why do you assume I can't nitpick for fun but also appreciate and enjoy those other components when a movie grips me, or even while nitpicking?
"Isnt that an exhausting way to live" No because that's not my whole fuckin life, jeez. Why all these baseless assumptions? Why do you think the CS guy or CS viewers are androids incapable of experiencing art?
Character needs to breath Oxygen and drink water to survive cliché
Character talks cliché
Character takes a step cliché
Character exist cliché
Character have organs Cliché
Character learns cliche
Character eating cliché
Character consists of atoms cliché
Character is alive cliché
God, I'm so happy to see so many people call out CS for their shit takes. They completely destroy all the joy that comes with watching movies/films, something that's supposed to be enjoyable and feel magical. Nothing can be made for simple entertainment or simple wonder in their eyes. I've never watched CinemaWins, but from what I've heard, they take the exact opposite approach, and show you why that movie you enjoyed was so enjoyable. That's an approach I can respect. Media is made to be enjoyed and to entertain. Yes, reviews and criticism are worth giving. But no review or criticism should so deeply interfere with our ability to enjoy any media.
Also, bitching abour Breast Cancer Awareness??? "Everyone's aware of breast cancer, yet despite that, we still have Breast Cancer Awareness Month," uhh, yeah. Because breast cancer still exists. And probably always will. And there's still so much research that can be done on it. And people who, uh...aren't alove yet that DON'T know about it. But probably should be aware of it? The point of Breast Cancer Awareness is to educate all people, young and old, on breast cancer and what to look out for. As well as encourage people to raise money for research to better treat it. There's plenty of good reasons to have BCA Month. And as long as people are donating to good, reliable charities, it's not hurting anyone???
It just amazes me that someone was so inclined to make a video bashing Breast Cancer Awareness for making people over-aware. It's just...something that's not an issue. There's nothing wrong with over-educating people on breast cancer, you wet sock. Geez, that one really pissed me off.
This is the single most based take I have ever seen, and I appreciate it. Also, I like your pfp :D
Thought you said beast cancer awareness like MrBeast lolol 😂
"They completely destroy all the joy that comes with watching movies/films" no they don't. I don't even like them but if you hate them so much just don't watch it
Watching his videos it seems like he genuinely hates movies, which is bizarre for a movie reviewer.
@@Liam_The_GreatI literally used to watch them to find films I wanted to watch, because their videos essentially boil down to a snarky plot summary
Sometimes I watch cinemasins videos for the jokes, but then it degrades into pure negativity. Then I watched the one about Rio and my soul was destroyed
Characters talking: *ding*
Exposition: *ding*
Narration: *ding*
Character dies: *ding*
Movie has credits: *ding*
Movie has a plot: *ding*
(Any trope): *ding*
Joachim Murat they don’t everything and I’m convinced Jeremy hates Stan lee
I don't get the narration thing. Like, in some movies it's bad, but in ones like The Princess Bride it makes it so much better!
"The forced music" *Ding*
Their whole aim is nitpicking and sarcasm. They even consider the Film & Entertainment on their genre tab too be a joke.
@@christophersantos4825 You did not watch the video, did you?
Director: *turns on camera*
Jeremy: DING
Well where the hell is the camera operator? The director has directing to do lol. I'd say that's sin worthy
Turning a camera and press record cliche
Camera ex machina! *ding*
Logo at the beginning *ding, oh wait, they actually do that
I’m a fan, but yeah...
Cinemawins is like talking to a guy who has been excited to watch for the past year and is so hyped that it even exists. Cinemasins is like the bitchy brother who likes to point out everything wrong with a movie, 80% of it being them not even paying attention.
I think part of the problem is also the fact that CinemaSins are essentially a victim of their own success. They've managed to grow this massive brand which is all based around a specific formula... but that also means that they constantly need new material to work with.
With something like MST3K, they were always specifically riffing on crappy old, forgotten movies, but CinemaSins needs to stay relevant and appease the RUclips algorithm, so they're forced to make videos on every new movie that comes out, and the reality is that not _every single thing_ released these days is plothole-filled trash worthy of this treatment.
So what ends up happening a lot of the time is they have to invent problems, conveniently ignore plot points, and dishonestly misrepresent the material in order fill their running time.
This is all made worse considering the amount of people who will often happily admit to only watching the CinemaSins videos, and not the actual films they're critiquing, because they'll ultimately go away thinking it's an accurate representation.
holy shit, i hadn't seen the video of jeremy straight up angry ranting about how his channel is important pushback against big studios' unoriginality or whatever. they really want to be taken seriously, and only tote out the "S A T I R E" defense when they're criticized for being wrong or for acting in bad faith.
Honestly, if it wasn't for his voice, I would have thought he was talking about CinemaSins
@@dogninja8 that's the irony of it, isn't it! Incredibly un-self-aware haha
At this point to me Jeremy's voice is one of the most annoying sounds on the planet
I'm going to say it, I like Cinemasins. I can watch the video, and get a general premise for movies I will likely never watch, and I find them entertaining. You can call me retarded all you want, I don't care.
@1 Yeah, I pretty much asked for that one. I realized my spelling mistake. Damn autocorrect.
Wrong. Watchmojo is the purest form of clickbait
I like the part where Bob calls them out for clickbait. Despite the fact that Bob used click bait for this video
+sahil's stuff. Yes. It is clickbait
Onceuponatimetherewasalongnameitwassolongeveryonedied yup
+bashdasah4
"Not misleading and condescending"
Watch Mojo is exactly that though? They believe in mass amounting views with any and all topics, no matter how poorly researched and put together.
They bank on people coming to the video because of topics they like. Not because WM ever tries to do a good job.
At least I don't feel guilty when I accidentally find myself on one of their videos.
at least watchmojo has a nice robot lady reading their shit
the whole part about breast cancer awareness month is so shocking to me
its like saying "well we already learned about black history, why do we still need the month" like💀💀
To be honest, I feel like that is probably the exact take that these guys have on black history month.
It’s clearly a joke bro what are you talking about
@@Mrturtlest found the cinema sins cum dumpster
Honestly I think it's pretty funny, but I can see how it can get someone worked up.
The comparison with black history is bad though. Most people genuinely _don't_ know much about black history, but most of us do know that breast cancer is a thing.
@@NoriMori1992 Breast Cancer Awareness isn’t just about telling people that breast exists, it’s about educating the public on symptoms and early detection, funding vital research, supporting charities, promoting regular screenings, and showing support / solidarity with people who have breast cancer.
Being anti-breast cancer awareness, even as a joke, feels like a huge fuck you to all the people who have had to deal with breast cancer.
Wow. Great video. That part at the end where you said that nearly everything Jeremy says in that car rant can be used against his own content blew my mind. I used to like CS because it gave me a few laughs, plus it showed me footage of some great films that I enjoyed watching, giving me good/nostalgic emotions.
It's really crazy how a lot of the disinformation stuff they do (of which, now that I've looked back at it, there is TON) just flew over my head. By doing that, they made me question and doubt the stuff that I loved about the movie in the first place, like they just went in my memory and filled it up with half-baked, non-constructive garbage.
I didn't even think about it, until I saw this video, so thank you!
Self-improvement is making the switch from Cinemasins to Cinemawins
Yes💙
Still supports the same garbage content network, so no. The CinemaWins videos often miss the point of films as well.
Edit: I see a lot of CW fans getting triggered. By "network," I mean they promote each other, and most of the content in CS's related channels are awful lists. I'm aware that CW began on his own. I followed him when he first started. Yes, he's infinitely better than CS, but that's a low bar. The format doesn't lend itself to much discussion, and both their audiences go on a sort of autopilot when watching their content, not noticing how much they avoid discussion by glossing over quick points. Even if they point something out that you didn't notice isn't that impressive considering that any assembly line of movie lists is bound to eventually have some actual content in there. I get that CW is trying to do a positive thing, but most of what he points out is either obvious or misdirected praise towards things that he actually misunderstands. Still, he and his audience have a better chance at learning about movies as a community than CS ever could. I'm just saying that, at some point, everyone should grow out of that network of "movie list" content if they actually have an interest in film discussion.
@@LorenzoDoesntExist Still a much better channel. CinemaSins encourages people to shit on literally everything, regardless of it being a legitimate piece of criticism or not. If your brain becomes wired to see every single cliche or trope regardless of its magnitude, the context of the film or every minor detail, you stop becoming immersed and you completely miss out on the emotional front of any movie and perhaps even the narrative as well since you'll be missing the greater picture. If watching a movie becomes the chore of checking off your checklist, it's just a miserable experience.
@@janner2006 Being a better channel is a pretty low bar. There are so many better channels that appreciate films outside of that network.
@@LorenzoDoesntExist I didn't say it was the best channel out there and I don't really care if it's a part of the same network. The point I tried to get across was that CinemaWins simply has a much more positive impact on moviegoers who don't have a film identity of their own (which is to say they don't know how they like to watch movies yet or what genres they do or do not enjoy) than CinemaSins which on the other hand just turns people into cynics who just want to hate what they watch as much as possible. It's not about which is the better channel or the quality of either of them but rather it's about what impact they have on moviegoers.
I literally thought this was going to be a 35 minute car rant. Very glad I'm wrong.
M1RANDA can u imagine how many ppl cut the video off in the beginning for the same reason? I almost did, he needs to cut that car rant a few minutes in, instead of the opening segment!
M1RANDA Thats problem with youtube in general, viewers judge things based on 5 minutes and feel the need to comment before watching
LOL exactly car rants are usually so bad so when i saw that i was worried.
I almost cut the video off because of it
PTSD Flashbacks to
"HEYITSJOEYFROMJOEYSSUPERFOODREVIEW IMMM BAAAAACCCKK!!!!!"
For any cinema sins viewer who objects to this video: just remember that this is clearly a parody, he’s pretending to be composed know it all critic who doesn’t get the joke that cinema sins is trying to tell, so don’t bother criticising this video, ok?
One of the repeating sins in their videos is "that's racist." That bugged me most about them because at least half the time they're straight up wrong-as if the definition of racism hasn't been twisted and misconstrued enough by people already, they're intentionally disinforming viewers (they do it infrequently and erratically enough to add ambiguity as to whether or not they're really joking).
That actually pisses me off about people in general but these wankers use a platform to spread disinformation. You have to agree on the meaning of a word to claim you're speaking the same language, it can't just mean whatever you feel like it should mean.
I always took those comments as him just being silly.
At first I did too but he does it in every other video.
Cultural slam? That's racist.
Disagree with your opinion? That's racist.
Religious pick? That's racist.
Ageist remark? That's racist.
Said something that might offend a particular demographic? That's racist.
Making fun of anyone for anything ever? _So racist._
Then like one instance of actual racism being called out as such. I'm sure it was a part of the movie's narrative though; it wasn't in there because the writer was inadvertently racist.
A joke is only funny if the audience gets it and if it makes sense according to whatever premise is set. At least half of the "that's racist" marks they put up aren't funny in any way... So unless it's a far-fetched inside jab at people who do call everything out as racist wholeheartedly then I' won't differentiate between CinemaSins and the rest of the idiots misusing language on the internet. It's just ultra-woke minger bullshit I think.
@@Ruisu101 the fact that you think cinemasins fans are woke assholes is the funniest and dumbest point I’ve ever heard. Do you think that people who defend the channel by saying “ it’s satire” are the same sjw woke dumbasses who call everything racist? What ever gave you that implication? The comments? I seriously need some correlation. Also cinemasins are pretty fucking edgy. The fact that you brought wokeness to a video that criticizes cinemasins is the most moronic thing I’ve ever heard. No one is using cinemasins as a source to call everything racist. Also stop using
Strawmans. If makes you look more dumb
@@Ruisu101 Tbf all of those things are considered racist by BLM and other “anti-racist” activists/organizations
What I hate the most is, that they often criticise a female/male character being sexualized (Like showing them in underwear or smth), but at the same time make horrible sex jokes that sometimes border to being predatory... Like when they once gave the sin that "Hermoine isn't old enough to be hot yet" (Sorry if I misspelled the name). Like the criticised that a MINOR is not old enough to be hot yet... Which is so wrong on so many levels...
What I hate about cinemasins is the way they don't mind if you take them seriously as long as you agree with them... but as soon as you call them on their horseshit, it's straight back to "we're just satire, don't take us seriously!!!"
You can't have it both ways.
It reminds me of a concept said to be rampant on chan-style boards, Performative Irony. Say what you actually mean in such a way that people who disagree think you're kidding, and people who agree think you're serious.
Or, say something provocative, and decide whether you were kidding based on the response you get. It's a dishonest enough way to run your presence on some anonymous image board, much less a big, high-profile channel with your names attached to it and a lot of people taking you dead-ass seriously.
Third and final observation I'll steal from Innuendo Studios: It's impossible to do something ironically, as a habit.
@@RoyalFusilier its called Schroedingers douchebag. He's both joking and not joking depending on whether someone gets offended.
So basically GradeAUnderA, lol. "I'm kidding, but I'm not, but I am, but I'm not though."
Someone came up with the phrase "Clown Nose On/Clown Nose Off" to describe something similar with John Stewart, Stephen Colbert and the like. Each would be perfectly happy to be taken seriously as a real public commentator until anyone criticized them, then it would be "Clown Nose On" and they'd claim to just be comedians and it was ridiculous that you were taking them seriously. But as soon as the accolades started up again, it was "Clown Nose Off".
They absolutely can have it both ways. Are you dense?
CinemaSins when they wake up in the morning and realize they've once again committed the "waking up in the morning" cliche.
Or the "turning off the alarm" cliche
@@andre_601 or the "getting breakfast" cliche
Whenever someone deflects criticism by saying they're playing a character, you can bet they're most likely lying.
also they are creeps, for example during the Harry Potter franchise video it’s a running sin that “Hermione isn’t old enough to be hot yet”.
"In school, we're gonna loose the ability to write original story"
Funny, because school teach me that originality dosen't actually exist, every stories have already beeing told, and since hundred of years, we just retell the same story with new angles, characters, theme and context, but overall the same story.
All critic complaining about originality are not critics, they are idiots who pretend to be critics.
What matter is not the originality of a story, every "original" story can be see as a retelling of a previous story. What matter is the execution of that story.
T’as bien raison là-dessus.
All art is derivative. And that’s great.
@@Gornonatory j'avoue
Funny enough that was a major theme in last season of Rick and Morty which I thought was the most Meta the show had ever been. They directly addressed that criticism from fans and critics ..maybe the losers at cinema sins should watch. They might actually realize how childish they look.
waittt a minute, mj that's really you ??? Mais c'est ouf comme le monde est petit mdr
[insert thing here] cliche
[insert thing here] ex' machina
[number] seconds of logos
this stops being funny after the first 3 times
Not to mention he misuses the term “Ex-machina” all the time.
Yeah except there are literally dozens of movies that have this shit in it, and it gets extremely annoying. More annoying than watching someone mouth off about how annoying it is.
@@sacredxgeometry This guy is a complete joke talking off about our movies and games he should not be a youtuber
This right here is what changed my opinion. EWW is objectively terrible, wtf was I thinking? Glad I grew up and grew out of that channel.
You guys are the true alphas of humanity if you take EWW this seriously...😂
they truly do just give the vibe of the high school class clowns that think they're just SO funny when the whole class hates them
Schrodinger's satire. Its neither criticism nor satire until someone approves/disapproves of the points made.
“WE’RE SATIRE!”
*Proceeds to sin satire every. Single. Time. A show does a satire about something he sins. Completely ignoring aggressive it’s satire.*
At some point I realised I was just getting exhausted by watching cinemasins. The videos were long, the criticisms ruining my experience of films, and later on I discovered Cinemawins, a much healthier look at movies, with proper conclusions about what makes the movie good (though... even they couldn't save the ATLA movie)
That’s the key difference. Pointing out problems and possibly making jokes or whatever to heighten your enjoyment or understanding of what’s being watched vs just saying “this is dumb, doesn’t make any sense” and ruining the movie for everyone
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat Perhaps you should think more of why you need someone else to point out the flaws for you. You’re implying that without CinemaSins doing it, people would not notice the logical contradictions on their own. Talk about damning with faint praise, my guy.
Avatar the Last Airbender; also known as "Five Guys one Rock"
@@QueenSydon meanwhile, in the show, one decent bender can flip a tank
I still remember the joke video about RUclips Rewind where they finally made a joke constantly posted in the comments: a 10 minute video showing "Nothing!" on the screen.
what really pisses me off about cinemasins is that they just don't care about suspension of disbelief
I think I’m lucky that the first video of theirs i saw was Harry Potter because I could tell the inaccuracies about their evaluation and it bothered me. Like, not just disagreeing with whether or not something is a sin, but sinning something in such a wildly popular movie that didn’t even happen in the movie. Dudes coulda shouted out the window to fact check and people coulda told them “nah boss, that’s not accurate.”
Seemed lazy and still wasn’t funny.
I feel like a good percentage of American film audiences today are like CinemaSins: petty, whiny, nitpicky, critical for the sake of being critical, simultaneously overanalyzing and not paying attention to story development, pointing out "flaws" in the plot that aren't flaws or are explained, and thinking saying "this sucks!" makes them cool and edgy. It actually depresses me and makes me wonder if anyone actually ENJOYS watching movies or TV shows anymore.
This. Maybe my standards are low but I can watch something and go "That was ok. There were parts I liked and parts that could have been done better" and then everywhere I look it's just described as "bad" or even held up as some kind of evidence that the genre/franchise/cinema as a whole is doomed or the victim of some kind of conspiracy.
I just want to watch something and share it with someone. If it's goofy then people can laugh together about that but taking it personally that the film didn't meet some impossible or vague criteria or seeming to have not even watched it and just repeating that it's bad without explaining why is depressing.
Eh, I’d say the average audience doesn’t care, good or bad. I can be absolutely blown away by a movie’s message and they’ll be like “it was ok” or I could leave the theater disgusted and they’d be like “it was ok”
The average movie-watcher doesn’t seem to care, it’s just a way to spend a couple hours with friends
I do this to films I like. Everyone hates watching movies with me cause i ripped the film to shreds over nothing, and then procede to gush about how much I love it
@@AdamOfIngolstadt OK, you're an idiot and an asshole. So what? Go watch Cabin in the Woods.
YES
I ALWAYS HATE THAT TYPE OF PEOPLE
"When the sole purpose of your channel is to create long, low-effort, trend surfing clickbait to generate revenue, you forfeit any meaning that content could've hade. On the plus side, you get to leech off others and absolve yourself of any criticism you might receive; because as long as people are clicking, you're successful. Who cares about anything else?"
I've finally realized what it is about Cinema Sins that I don't like. This statement sums it up perfectly.
How does CinemaSins use clickbait?
@@casonstegall7655 "X numer of things bad with [insert subject here]" is a proven way media gets you to check out their article. Same with Top Ten or Bottom Ten lists, because apparently people like simple and easy to read lists. The problem is you can be kinda vague with your points if you leave them too simple.
Also CS has a bad habit of releasing videos that portray to current trends. Notice whenever a Disney remake is coming out he sins the original movie? Whenever a new Star Wars movie came out he'd sin the previous one? Same with the marvel movies. That's the very definition of clickbait: getting you to check it out because it or something close to it is fresh on people's minds.
Edit: they put sins in their videos that I am 90% certain are just to get people salty and write an angry comment, because the more comments the more the algorithm favors you. Ex: "the music in this movie [Hunchback of Notre Dame] sucks." Two thirds of the comments on that video were about how good people thought the soundtrack was.
Bit of a rant here, but their Video on Speed Racer was the one to convince me Cinema Sins are nothing but a bunch of sellouts.
For years me and other Speed Racer aficionados have been asking for a review of the movie, and when we weren't ghosted the reply was along the lines of "we'll think about it, but we have a lot of backlog to get through right now." (Which is CS slang for "I don't care about some stupid movie you like")
Then out of the blue they release their Speed Racer review. Why? Because a few weeks earlier it was making the rounds with online movie reviewers. For about a week and a half there was a back and forth on if the movie still held up or not.
Now I normally don't watch CS anymore but I had to see this riff on a guilty pleasure of mine. The overall tone of the video was "this movie is stupid, predictable, sucks, I can't stand the visuals, and I honestly couldn't give two fucking shits about it."
I've noticed recently that the only reason Cinema Sins will choose a movie to review is because A) It's popular/ people are talking about it right now; or B) he needs a filler episode. And when you watch it you can usually tell which reason he had chose it for.
@@pyronuke4768 I don't think it's a bad thing to be aware of trends (things like making releases relevant to current events and media)- but the popular style of intentionally inducing rage isn't healthy. I think that might be part of why people are angry all the time, because it's exploitable. When everyone's doing it, viewers are bouncing from page to page clicking on inflammatory headlines, or titles they know will lead to inflammatory content. Some of it has the nerve to pose as "journalism", which isn't a new thing but may subtly (or less so) imply there's a level of respectability or authority behind it, when it's really just the opinion of someone who hasn't even bothered to watch the thing they're complaining about.
I think it's harmful because of the effect it has on relations between other people, and because it damages art. People are primed to seek and capture that feeling of rage, and have it in the back of their mind that something is bad which taints their view of it if they do see it. Things that could be enjoyable or at least sufficient get buried under hate and trying to optimize around that has the potential to degrade future productions as well.
@@dakat5131 You’re one of the few sane people in the comments here, thank you.
coming from ur other video 4 years after this one where u said that a lot of people thought jeremy in the beginning was u and i just wanted to say that i used to put cinema sins on in the background while gaming or doing schoolwork and even tho it’s been years i still immediately recognize his voice and i find it hilarious that diehard defenders couldn’t do the same
Ironic
When Jeremy says they put :intentionally ignorant" sins in their videos, he never says that he does it because people enjoy them. He never gives any reason for why they exist. The reason I suspect is because it raises engagement on the videos from people trying to correct their misinformation. They have math for how many they should put in as they said, whats that math based off most likely? Engagement, retention, and views.
The worse part about cinema sins is how they act like they're on some morally righteous crusade against derivative films, by making derivative videos
Honestly they’re cliches within themselves lol
cinemawins does better comedy than cinemasins, and lee's genuine joy over what makes moves fun to watch beats jeremy's nit-picking any day
Wasn't that the guy who made the retarded Star Wars prequel videos?
Rafał Sobczyk i’m laughing so hard omg
Agreed, cinemawins is enjoyable and pretty comfy channel. Lee is pretty objective and its nice to hear good opinion on movies i like. I also go there when i have nothing to watch, its great to pick up good movies i would have otherwise missed.
Imo CinemaSins is funny sometimes because of how stupid the points are. After watching a movie I watch CinemaWins and CinemaSins’ videos on that and it’s fine. You could get mad at the contradictions and hypocrisy of CinemaSins but it’s still funny to watch ironically.
@@tantris2876 i mean, no hate on anyone who likes watching cinemasins. i don't get mad at it but it's just personally exhausting to me in this climate to watch an adult man find "flaws" in things, even if it's supposed to be "funny" y'know?
Watching Cinemasins did make me an annoying kid who’d point out stuff in movies relentlessly. I don’t do that now but it’s also affected my perfectionism as someone who wants to make a movie about my stories in the future. I feel like I have to write everything perfect and everything has to be perfect and “correct” or else people will hate me. I’m still trying to get out of this terrible mindset-
I've found that it's not just CinemaSins who uses the "It's a joke." defense on RUclips.
We've approached the point where any time a content creator shows a part of their personality or does something wrong, it's labelled as a joke that we just don't get. Not only does this hurt the community of RUclips by allowing just awful behavior and content to slide by 'virtue' of it being comedic. It hurts people who are genuinely just trying to be funny by eroding the good faith that genuine comedians should get. And if you don't really understand that, then think of it this way. There have been people who voiced some racist, sexist or just horrendously awful shit and claimed it was a joke. After that, other comedians who tell jokes about these things may get painted as a racist or a sexist. Rather than knowing that they're just jokes and not a dogwhistle.
Hate speech is free speech, sweetheart.
Everything Wrong With CinemaSins In 36 Minutes Or Less
Oh no. You need more time.
(Spoilers)
(Duh)
@@vbez8644 Reading!
Silly man, in true cinema sins style it has to be shorter than the actual video so
“E.W.W. CinemaSins In 29 Minutes Or Less
CinemaSins actually made a video titled “Everything Wrong with CinenaSins.”
A lot of their sins are just misunderstanding what's happening. Or they'll sin a movie for exposition and then sin it again for not understanding what's happening when things aren't spelled out for them. Or something will be explained later in the movie, and they can't be bothered to go back and delete the sin.
but Miles don't you know it's just saaaaaaaaatire
Just like the everything wrong with harry pottee deatly hallows or any movie, any fan would know the answer
The idea that any of their factually incorrect sins (space gravity, Mars smiley etc) are done on purpose is extremely hard to believe. I think it much more likely they just are dumb/don't give a shit, and use that as an excuse to cover.
Also people who complain that gravity or sound in space doesn't work like in movies somehow ignore the fact that soundtracks don't play along to your actions in real life either.
I was a casual viewer of the channel for a bit before discovering Th3Birdman and his counter-analyses on CS. He does a good job of calling out their bs and laughing at them while not being 100% negative. Made me realize how pessimistic CS is, and that "the movies dont suck, the way you watch movies sucks".