There is one point I would like to make about a missed nitpick. There is a reason Falcon would wait to deploy his wings. He's trying to gain momentum in an urban environment. What that means is that if he deploys his wings too early he can't get up to speed properly and it's hard to maneuver at low speed and in an urban environment and that's dangerous because you need enough velocity to avoid hitting any buildings and to avoid any winds or updratfs. Real falcons, hawks and eagles (that is the raptors) actually do this exact same thing when pouncing on their prey. They will drop, while keeping their wings pulled back, until the last possible minute to hit their prey with enough force to stun them and then spread their wings and star flapping. Hell, skydivers actually wait till they are within a certain distance of the ground before deploying their chutes because if they do it too early they risk getting grabbed by wind and air currents and getting pulled in a direction they don't want to go or having their chute collapse. So that is actually based on real world aerodynamics.
I was going to say this but looks like I don't have to. Last thing he needs is to pull the wings out early and stall. I'm sure firing rockets and fuel and the sort wastefully should be avoided
That was my initial thought as well. However, his “wings” are basically just a jet pack with wings, right? He doesn’t use the wings to propel him into the air. Otherwise he would be flapping them constantly like flying mammals do. If he has a jet pack, momentum is essentially irrelevant because you’re gonna get all the momentum you need from the rocket on your back lol.
@@UselessFeature what’s a couple extra seconds of fuel burned gonna do tho (not like they’d ever have that has a plot point anyways). Anytime he’s not diving he’s gonna be using the fuel up anyways. Wasn’t it later upgraded to Stark Tech or something like it anyways? I assumed it ran on whatever Iron Man’s suits did, and fuel was never an issue with him.
@@king_supreme1102 thats a fair point and I feel we're getting too far into nitpicking territory where we'll never get a definitive answer and we'll have to just go with suspension of disbelief.
It would have been entirely in-character for Tony to design a teleprompter whose user interface was intuitive to his own mind but incredibly difficult for anyone else to figure out because other people don't think the way he does and he didn't think about their perspective when designing the system.
CinemaSins used to be more funny, but I stopped watching them a long time ago. They mark stuff as "sins" that make perfect sense unless you deliberately pretend to be dumb. Lazy and unfunny. This video just reminded me why I stopped watching them. You get a sub for that.
I want to hope Jeremy one day thinks he has the cahones to do his own movie project and (may get people to see due to CinemaSins Jerk offing) in the end, still end up bombing and be TERRRRRRIBLE and he lashes out at us as if WE’RE THE ASSHOLES RUINING HOLLYWOOD.
The moment he said “who cares about Captain America” I realized he was full of shit. Because, regardless, Superman and Captain American are interesting for the exact same reason, the only difference is that it’s easier to write an interesting plot for Captain America because he doesn’t have powers that can literally solve every obstacle instantly.
@@TurbopropPuppy What? Doug has openly stated he appreciates the criticism, and enjoys people reviewing his work. He's gone on record to say he loves seeing other people share his passion of filmography, even if they don't agree with him. I'm not sure where you got this idea he "lashed out" at his audience.
I think Zemo read Bucky's trigger words slowly and deliberately because they require clear pronunciation to work. It's not a magic word that just produces an effect no matter how you say it, but an activation button that requires Bucky's conditioned brain to acknowledge what it's hearing.
Rodrigo Gasca Gómez He also isn’t a native speaker of Russian, and would want to remove any remote chance of unclarity as best he can to compensate for his lack of skill with the language.
20:55 actually, if you watched the 90's Spider-Man Animated Series, Peter says to that little girl in the Make a Wish episode that his web shooters only fire with the exact pressure and force of his two middle fingers so that it won't fire randomly if he makes a fist or high fives anyone. Great video btw, just wanted to point this out though.
Holy shit, the fact that the Cinema Sins guy was actually in the camp of "It's Batman and Superman in the same movie so it *has* to be good" explains sooo much.
Most people thought BvS was going to kill at the box office, and with good reason. It's Batman and Superman in the same movie for the first time ever. The initial success of BvS was frontloaded because the bad word of mouth killed it's overall total.
Oh, sure, it's not like Marvel has had crossovers of other classic characters in their films, and it's not like those crossovers have been executed so much better than DC's films. Clearly DC is so much better than Marvel! Just take a look at the critical reception of Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League! Sarcasm aside, I thought Justice League was more or less good. Not on the level of The Avengers, but good.
I’d like to offer a response to one of your “missed nitpicks.” Probably the reason Zemo reads the trigger words so slowly is because he doesn’t speak Russian (the way he practiced the words suggests he was learning them phonetically), and he needs to make sure he pronounces the words correctly. In fact, you demonstrated this yourself when you mispronounced all the words.
yes and no, in the scene, zemo is acting as if he's in total control because bucky is in that cage thing, but the same scene implies that bucky could eventually smash the cage from the inside with a little time. if zemo was concerned about saying the words correctly, he would be more focused on the book, or maybe even a little nervous. instead he's giving the vibe that he's taunting bucky because he's in the process of gaining complete control over him, with confidence.
It could also be that he’s trying to make it as slow as possible, because he wants to torture Bucky. As if he’s making him FEEL like he’s slipping out of control
Really thoroughly convinced that CinemaSins are really making people dumber. Getting everybody to criticize things w/o thinking about what they're saying
One thing I feel I should bring up is that the Sakovia Accords weren’t at all part of Zemo’s plan. His plan was merely to break apart the avengers, the Accords made that easier, but that was a happy accident. Zemo never once even mentions the accords during the movie.
I just noticed how Wanda had a guitar in her room. Imagine how amazing it might be to play guitar if you were able to chose exactly what string to pick and when and in what pattern. Imagine the tunes she could play with her powers.
@@JeanMarceaux Considering our modern idea of Wanda, this comment is quite short-sighted. In wandavision, even if playing for laughs, telekinesis is one of her powers, like moving objects to her whim. Also, how else would you purpose she’d play the guitar with her powers? Trevor might have confusingly explained his idea a bit. But telekinesis to play any tune she can think of isn’t too out there.
@@wendeviant2475 exactly. Poor wording for the performance method led to the confusion between playing a guitar with telekinetic powers and playing it normally, since in both cases you choose what string to pick and in what pattern. Also, while I can imagine the kind of tunes one would be able to play if they could control the instrument with the power of their mind (thinking Morgan Stanley/Adrian Belew/Ichika Nito, but significantly more complex), it would take more than just the powers to be able to perform such pieces Regardless, could be interesting, if I was at least a tiny morsel interested in Marvel.
@@JeanMarceaux It's not exactly how one would play the guitar as with telekinesis she could pluck strings in such a way that it wouldn't be physically possible for a normal person to do with just two hands. Like how Rush E is impossible on piano, unless you had 8 hands.
That last sin is even more hilarious now that Infinity War is out, since the events of Civil War and the resulting conflict between Cap and Tony have an enormous impact on the events in Infinity War. On top of that, it's almost certainly going to be a major element in End Game after all the investment they've made over multiple movies.
(Potentially) explaining missed nitpick: Spidey's webshooters actually function like a high pressure mouse button in the comics. To fire a web, he double taps the pressure sensitive trigger in his palm like when you double click a mouse. Depending on how long he holds one of the clicks also gives different results, like a wide net versus a thin line. This is why he doesn't accidentally shoot a web when making a fist or catching one. There's nothing in the movie explaining this, but I just thought it was a fun bit of trivia.
Thanks. I've always found them interesting and used to read any Marvel manuals that would come out. Also, heh. Seen all the "threads". Web shooters. Nice.
Because this wasn't explained at all in the movie, leaving the viewers who noticed it to speculate about it. This is different from what he complains about Jeremy for doing because he's able to use logic or information from the movie to refute Jeremy's nitpicks. He gets mad at Cinemasins for basically ignoring the context that is presented.
The confusion over the Bucky killing Tony's parents scene made me so mad when I first watched it. The color sections are obviously to give info to the audience, and the black and white sections are what Tony is seeing.
I think Zemo was saying the words slowly and with pauses to make sure Bucky heard them and was affected by them. Bucky was yelling, sirens were going off, and Bucky was stuck behind bulletproof glass, which he was pounding on. If he messed up the order, or one of them wasn’t heard, it might not take effect, and then he’d have UN agents and some Avengers on one end, and a freed Winter Soldier on the other.
The absolutely masterful Kid Who Collects Spider-Man contains this explanation, though I got it slightly wrong: the button is specifically placed so that it doesn't go off when he makes a fist, the double-tap is incidental (but in my opinion still crucial for explaining how he's able to lift things without it triggering.) I don't know if that was the first time it was mentioned (my gut says it got explained in a Ditko issue,) but that's where I first heard it.
I was coming down here to make this comment, but let me help with the details: It's in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #4 (1967), by the way (so it's post-Ditko--Romita, Sr-era. Yay!) and it actually *does* say that the double tap is the actual exact reason, so you weren't wrong (the feature is called "What the Well-Dressed Spider-Man Will Wear", and is sort of a sequel to the Ditko/Lee-era Annual #1 feature, "The Secrets of Spider-Man", which deals more with his spider-induced powers): "To prevent accidental firing when making a fist, it is necessary to touch the release button *twice* , in a pre-programmed, pre-set pattern! If you've short, stubby fingers, forget it!" (it also goes on to mention what causes different webs--basically, the second press's length varies how it's extruded in a number of fashions)
Thanks! It's been a really long time since I read the Essentials, so I forgot all about those fun back-up features they'd have. I knew I could have cited one of those guides/encyclopedias, but, well, I figured that that would be cheating. Thanks again for the help!
For sure! It's been something like a decade since I read any of the 60s issues--for a while there I was the sort of person who chuckled knowingly when JJJ ordered pigs-in-a-blanket in in Spider-Man 2, but I let most of that knowledge decay over the years. But those backup features stuck in my head--probably at least partly revived by my current read of the Moench/Sienkiewicz Moon Knight, which does some of the same stuff to fill space.
It should also be pointed out that Cap broke Tony's helmet off, before breaking the Arc Reactor. Iron Man's suit is air-tight. If he couldn't take the helmet off he would've suffocated and died.
@@thenumber27issomehowtaken Even if Iron Man did have a fail safe, which he probably did, KEEP IN MIND HIS SUIT WOULD BE TURNED OFF, not only could his fail-safe ventilation not work due to how beat up his suit is, but why even take any chances.
@@Whispernyan You literally called it fail-safe ventilation. I know this is a year too late, but I what you to know the difference between fail-safe and fail-secure. This video explains it: ruclips.net/video/fb5bY_MUKZg/видео.html
When I first discovered CinemaSins, I thought it would be fun and refreshing to see someone pick apart the ways filmmakers treat audiences like they're stupid. A few of his"sins" I disagreed with, but fine. I don't have to agree on everything. Then I noticed I was disagreeing with a LOT of his"sins." He was sinning things that were actually addressed in the movies. He was sinning good filmmaking. He was misusing movie terminology. This is that jerk who is convinced he has everything figured out but doesn't, yet won't stop talking. I don't mean just movies-- i'm sure if you met him at a party, he would carry on about world politics, explaining everything in a way that is just SO OBVIOUS to him-- I mean, come one! Why are all these experts doing so many stupid things, when he can figure out the answer in 3 seconds? Yet his easy answer doesn't take into account the nuances of the situation and the way things work in the real world. He needs to feel smarter than the experts, even when he isn't. Apply that attitude to movies and you have CinemaSIns.
CinemaSins has a long and chequered history of looking at how something plays out and then assuming that it's the *only* way it could have *possibly* played out and therefore whatever series of events occurred must have been "part of the villain's plan" - like the villain can't think on their feet and alter the plan when things change. If Cap, Bucky and Tony hadn't followed him hard on his heels to Siberia, Zemo would have made a clean getaway and then could have made sure the tape was made known to Iron Man at a time that would ensure maximum disruption. As it happens, they caught up with him so he made the best of the situation and distracted them from following him by unleashing the tape, knowing that it would foment discord between at least Tony and Bucky and that Cap would most likely protect Bucky, pitting him against Tony. The plan didsn't even *need* the Sokovia Accords to work - the contents of the tape were enough to put Tony and Cap at odds with one another. The Sokovia Accords _already_ putting them on opposite sides of a contentious issue was just another nail in the coffin - one for which Zemo was probably extremely grateful and he made full use of it. After all, Tony and Cap might have agreed about the Accords (either for or against, wouldn't matter) and both be at odds with _other_ team members over them. The goal was the tape that would set those two main players against each other, regardless of which side of the Accords debate they came down on. This is not the only time CinemaSins has looked at a villain's plan and said "but how could X know they would do that" when "that" wasn't the only thing that would have led to the same outcome. But, nah, to CinemaSins, every last thing that happened was part of an *extremely convoluted plan* that relied _entirely_ on Cap and Tony being on opposite sides of the Accords and them catching up with him at _exactly_ that time and place. Oh, and the Accords happened _after_ Lagos, therefore they were _because of_ Lagos - the same "logic" that says that because I found my lost keys after I tripped over the cat, I only found them _because_ I tripped over the cat and therefore the next time I lose my keys I should deliberately trip over the cat... Of course Zemo knew that the Accords were coming well in advance (they're the _Sokovia_ Accords, not the _Lagos_ Accords) and would presume that there would be a division amid the Avengers. He could not _know_ that Tony and Cap would pick separate sides, but it wouldn't matter if they didn't because he had a contingency plan that he was sure would pit them against each other. Getting all ultra specific and wondering how Zemo knew all the minutiae that would happen is just silly. Zemo wanted the Hydra agent to tell him about the Mission. That failed. He then engineered framing Bucky so that it would spark a man-hunt that resulted in his capture so that he could use the book to find out about the Mission. Once he had that he headed off and got the tape that would set Tony and Cap at odds. That was his plan - and he timed it so that it happened at a time when the Avengers were likely to be divided over the Sokovia Accords for maximum damage. Everything else that happened was just icing on the cake for him. If the Hydra agent had cracked, Zemo would have got the tape without Bucky needing to be caught and _still_ would have driven a wedge between Tony and Cap. Zemo made it quite clear to both the Hydra agent and Bucky that he'd rather do this the easy way but the Hydra agent staying silent forced him to get the info out of Bucky - Jeremy must have been asleep or texting on his phone during those parts of the movie.
@person person Yeah, the tape was the plan. Right from the outset, he was interested in the details of that mission. He tortured a man - when he would rather have not - to attempt to find out those details.
@@mrmiscellaneous105 By the Jeremy school of logic, fucking off Black Panther (and nearly getting probably the last person who knew about the mission killed) was part of Zemo's complex and convoluted plan. Cinema Sins voice: "Zemo couldn't have possibly known about Black Panther, so this part of the plan where Black Panther nearly kills Zemo's target is silly."
Incredibles 2 spoiler: I love how he showed the clip with the Underminer, considering the fact that after the fight a very similar situation to Sokovia Accords plays out.
3:36. This was actually one of my favorite scenes upon rewatching as it was a subtle way of incorporating one of Cap's lesser used powers, not breath holding but immunity to all poisons and toxins.
@@iggykidd Flash has a similar power but it's not as potent, in the CW show he has increased metabolism and if I remember correctly thats the reason why he finds it difficult to get drunk. They actually solve this by giving him a very beefed up alcoholic drink devised by one of the scientists working with him. Not as effective as Wolverine as it doesn't completely negate alcohol though.
I'm just so tired of hearing smarmy pseudo-intellectuals quote CinemaSins during a movie to try and "poke holes" in something that I'm trying to enjoy--and try to pass it off as their own idea, too. They're trying to show off their "critical thinking skills" while not actually using any. You've definitely earned another subscriber.
Madison Stoner my roommate says "pointless exposition" any time there is any dialog, then " I was just joking" when I point out that its not. talk about picking up on bad habits.
The reason why Scarlet Witches actions were relevant to the Sokovia Accords is that it was the final nail in the coffin. It became the defining reason that the accords was past due and needed to be implemented immediately.
Also, he is wrong about Falcon's missile. It would not explode if it bonked his head. Missiles only explode when they are close to their target, they do not explode due to impact.
20:57 In the comics, Spider-Man's web shooters are activated by a double tap, otherwise they'd go off any time he clenched his fist to punch someone. I'm assuming this would be the explanation for the movies too.
@@JeanMarceaux Had it always absorbed kinetic energy? I thought that was a new modification made in the BP movie, which happens after the events of CW (I really don’t know, so I’m not being facetious or snarky here).
30:22 It’s also worth noting that Zemo’s plan actually has nothing to do with the Accords, and wouldn’t be affected by them at all. So Jeremy’s whole “Zemo’s plan relies on Scarlet Witch doing something stupid during the Crossbones fight” thing is completely wrong.
Exactly. Zemo could have bombed anything remotely associated with the Avengers to get both them on his tail and get Bucky framed for the bombing. The hearing and signing of the Accords was simply a perfect timing sort of thing for that.
Emsnews Supkis Three questions: 1. How are the words “hospital” and “torture” in any way related? 2. How exactly do you know this, even if it is true? 3. The hell does this have to do with the original comment?
@ Bucky trigger words nitpick: Zemo doesn't speak Russian, earlier we saw him practicing the words from the book. He can't pronounce those words that quckly and he needs to be careful cause a mispronounciation could make the trigger fail.
I know, I just thought it was funny how Zemo kept staring at Bucky after each word, like he was saying "What you gonna do about it? Huh?" with his eyes every time. Seemed goofy to me.
Zemo wants revenge against the Avengers but I don't think he takes pleasure at all in Bucky's pain. He knows he's a victim as well but you know he's a tool. I think he's only staring to make sure it's working. The book could be full of shit.
I think the "3rd" armed dude on the roof that tries to shoot Falcon is actually one of the two he kicked. I checked the angle and it fits. Maybe kicking 2 opponents at a time - he kicked one less so he had to shoot him after to double tap. Hence 5 remaining dudes. I´m just practicing noticing things, teach me master. I absolutely love these vids, man, thank you som much :D
Seriously, I always thought it was kind of obvious but guess not. Zemo's plan literally relied on nothing but the getting the tape. Not the accords, not the bombing, not Lagos. Zemo is either criminally understated or overstated in his execution of his plans by most people's accounts. Had he got the info on the base & tape from the very first guy he meets then he'd have released it then and there. He had to go through back-up plans galore, including learning fucking Russian and building a homemade EMP bomb in a hotel closet.
26:03 lol I find it so funny that CinemaSins guy loves to go on about mistakes and errors in movies but he basically just admits he doesn't have a clue on how a simple security cam footage is recorded...
That's what I saw thinking. Like, wouldn't common sense tell you that the memory isn't stored in the camera itself? That would make them useless. Why the hell would there be offices watching the footage at all times if some random kid could throw a rock at it and delete all data.
This is the same guy who thinks there's no gravity in space, or that being strong means you do more damage when you get knocked into a car. He basically has the mind of a toddler.
CinemaSins is all about a normie trying to twist and bend facts to make "entertaining" videos, not informative ones. he is the bastardized version of a common idiot trying to do a professional review... and this guy has a very scumbag history of doing clickbait content before he create the CinemaSins Channel.
Another thing, Zemo's original plan was to just get the information on the Siberia base from the former Hydra goon at the beginning. If that guy had told him everything from the start, he probably would've just gotten to the base and released the footage to the Avengers from that point. The Russo Bros actually explain why they had the plot play out like this in behind the scenes footage. They couldn't have Tony learning about Bucky killing his parents be the inciting incident because either Tony would eventually calm down and understand Bucky wasn't in control or if he didn't they'd end up portraying Tony as a straight up villain which they didn't want to do.
Nope. This is Tony we're talking about. He knew about the plan of Zemo, and was ready to forgive Cap & Bucky. Plus I believe BP spoke to him earlier as well. He should have been ready, and he knew the consequences of falling into the mind trap of getting he and cap to destroy each other. Plus he at least knew Steve Rodgers, and again, this is calm cool cold calculating Tony Stark here, not hothead batman. It really is as bad as BvS, maybe worse.
I don't know how long u have been around. This channel is the water that is diluting the ignorance in cinemasins. I'm sold. U have my subscription. As an aspiring writer, I stand to learn from these.
The communications frequency "sin" really was bizarre. I was a radio operator and that would have been absolutely hilarious if someone on TV had said that where our IC could see it.
20:57 They actually answered this in the comics! Spidey's webshooters require Peter to double-tap the trigger with his fingers before the webbing comes out, kinda like the clicker of a computer mouse. That's while the webshooters don't go off everytime he closes his hand into a fist or clings to a wall
The reasons why Cinema Sins make so many mistakes is because they don't pay attention when watching the movies they criticise, they deliberately leave out or ignore moments in films to make their "jokes" work, and they are nowhere near as smart as they think they are. Also they are very arrogant and condescending.
Stephen Robinson their videos are meant as entertainment and to earn some money, they don't dedicate their life on that. And by the tone of this guy's voice he sounds waaaay more arrogant and condescending than Jeremy ever did ..
Thank God there are fanboys around to defend Cinemasins whenever his bullshit gets called out. Otherwise Jeremy might consider improving the quality of his content.
@@SebiBubble I don't dedicate my life to my job but you can be damn sure I don't half-ass it when I clock in, so there's no excuse for them to have done this for so long and still be terrible at it.
"The only people who care about Captain America, and I mean truly have a passion for the character, are either Stan Lee or dead." Well if that's not the most monstrously obtuse assumption I've ever heard, then I don't know what is. I mean, where did that even come from? Does the mere fact that you even know who Captain America is even begin to clue you into the fact that he might be a little more popular and revered than you might have initially thought?
Yeah what the hell.. I'm a movie enthusiast. And of all the superheros I love Cap the most! Not a comicbook reader. And this movie got som real hype early man.
the "130 countries signed it in in 3 days?" sin makes me think he assumes the resolution traveled all over the world instead of the UN just signing it immediately
But _obviously_ resolutions like that get sent around from country to country for everyone to look over sign and pass on. They also only have the one copy ;p
That added touch at the very end with no added commentary, just letting history speak for itself, mwah. That was such a delicious cherry on top of all this.
I love all the comments by fans saying it’s just satire and you shouldn’t take it seriously despite Bobvids gave substantial evidence that a number of the “jokes” CS makes are legitimate criticisms and how falling back on the “it’s just satire!” argument is disingenuous.
I think he's just relying on people to be smart enough to recognise that, like with most reviewers, he has human inconsistencies and failings, and that those actually interested in film on more than a superficial level are smart enough not to take his reviews as something one can point to as quantifiable proof of a particular movie being bad. You're like some prequels apologist criticising the Plinkett reviews for not 'encouraging' viewers to come to their own conclusions because of its didactic tone. bob's only criticism of CS seems to be that either he isn't infallible or his popularity has resulted in a larger number of idiots in his audience who either think he is infallible or fear that he will be considered infallible by others, either because of the presentation and/or their stupidity. This is in itself asanine, and faintly condescending.
Just to address the 'Zemo knowing about the Sokovia accords' sin...he doesn't even need to know about them for his plan... He requires Bucky getting captured, getting in to interrogate/brainwash Bucky (wherever he gets held) and then just acquiring the file and sending it to Tony or whatever dramatic reveal he initially planned. To get Bucky captured he didn't need to bomb the signing of the Sokovia accords, that is just the cherry on top, he could have bombed anywhere and framed Bucky. He'd probably have preferred to sneak into a normal police station in Bucharest... The whole 'Civil War' could just be a happy coincidence that helps further the tension between Steve and Tony that makes his final move even better. Steve and Tony fighting would have been enough to split the Avengers, especially if one ended up murdering the other. This plan does not require planning the Avenger's fuck up at the beginning or causing a fight in an airport, the Avengers did that all themselves. Arguably the Sokovia accords could have even hindered his plan if Tony and Steve had restrictions on them, potentially cutting Tony off from access to his suits and so on. Hell, Steve, Tony and Sam being present at Bucky's interrogation could have fucked his plan up completely, he'd probably prefer if they weren't there thanks to the accords. If anything this makes him a better villain. He has a good plan that can be changed on the fly and he is good at adapting to a developing situation such as Steve and Tony arriving at the silo and so on. He obviously wasn't planning to wait in that sealed room for them at the end, unless he was planning to starve to death if they arrived a few days late, I didn't see a packed lunch in there...
His original plan(I can't remember if theirs a timeframe) was just to get the info from that one Hydra officer. If he has spilled the location, Zemo would have avoided the bombing. But because the guy didn't, Zemo had to pick an event to cause the most attention. The UN was a good one for so many reasons. Get's to Bucky to get the location.
Exactly. Zemo didn't need the Accords to exist. If he got the information from that Hydra Agent then he can immediately skip to the point where he gets the tapes, gets those tapes to Iron Man, and sets Iron Man off. The Accords allowed for things to only get worse and for his plan to be even more effective. But it doesn't require the Accords. He has a strong overall plan. And he has the ability to adjust that plan depending on circumstances. That doesn't mean he has this super complicated plan. Just that he has the skills and knowledge to adjust his plan. Because he has the basic parts of the plan in mind. 1. Find out where those tapes are, 2. Get those tapes to Iron Man, 3. Sit back and watch.
I'm glad there are more people out there that realize this. All the reviews of the movie, while positive, felt the need to claim that Zemo's plan was overcomplicated, but for some reason they just assumed that everything that happened in the movie was part of Zemo's plan, which it wasn't. Also, while I wasn't a fan of BvS, I saw people doing similar things when complaining about Lex's plan in that movie. Just because a plan ultimately proves successful doesn't mean that everything leading up to that success was a part of the plan.
Well, Lex's plan is entirely different. Instead of being an intelligent planner who uses his resources carefully and constantly adapts to a changing situation, Lex is a bumbling idiot with infinite resources who has figured out everything and his plan revolves around unlikely hoods and things out of his control. Example, Batman stealing the kryptonite. Lex did not need that kryptonite, as he already had access to some for use in Zods dissection. And he needed Batman to fight Superman, so he must have known that Batman needed kryptonite. Yet he did absolutely nothing to prompt Batman to steal the kryptonite, as Bruce steals the data by himself, decodes it by himself, and uses that information to find out where the kryptonite is being transported, and lex somehow knows he’s done this even though it’s never shown that he found out the files were stolen. Whereas with Zemo all the events are irrelevant to his plan, with lex the events are crucial to his plan, and the fact that he is able to plan for things that he’s has knowledge of makes it completely unrealistic and unbelievable.
Black Panther's suite is made out of vibranium which is able to absorb all kinetic energy. When the the bullet and explosive energy in Zemo's gun hit BP's suit it absorbed most of the energy. Remember when Peggy shot Cap's shield in the first Cap movie? The bullets don't ricochet they stop dead and fall harmlessly to the floor.
I'm not a lip reading expert or anything, but I think it's "It'll be fine". The last word is definitely fine because the space between f/v sound and the end of the word is too close to warrent another syllable ('lieve' 'it'). Plus she rolls her lip under her teeth too much for a V sound (although she could be exaggerating since she's not actually saying the words). As for the first two words, those two just seemed to work with the situatio so if anyone wants to change those, feel free.
14:58 Maybe those pauses were because he had to wait for each word in the sequence to “settle in” before moving on to the next word, otherwise, maybe it wouldn’t have taken effect.
JT Allen Or for the brainwashing to work, you have to say the words at specific times, for example: say word 1, wait 2 seconds, say word 2, wait 1 second, etc...
Or, perhaps he was just being careful because he didn't want to get it wrong. He was glancing at Bucky during some of those pauses, and he was also previously shown practicing reading the code words in his hotel room.
The creators behind CinemaSins admit they’re assholes, they get off on not even nitpicking movies, they just sin anything for any reason because they lack cognitive thought.
Only way i was able to tell it was a different guy was cause of the scope on the gun, both guys he kicked didnt have scopes however the one that shoots him has an acog
The way it's cut, I think it's impossible to tell. Either one of the guys gets up immediately, teleports and doesn't fire, or one of the guys does nothing for a few seconds and is just out of frame. Neither explanation really makes sense, but I guess it's not supposed to-it's just fast-paced action which is meant to look cool.
Flying Swordfish had to rewatch it multiple times with another friend to actually figure out what happened. My first analysis was wrong. The two guys he kicks, one has no scope and the other has an acog. The guy with the acog is the one to get back up and decided not to shoot😂
Isn't ironic to think that, after the letter in the end of the video, Jeremy posted a video talking about everything he hated about BvS after seeing it?
I just can't believe he was that optimistic about BvS given what we knew before the release in terms of the production and trailers. Meanwhile both Cap movies had been better received by fans than Man of Steel which people were split over. Also Cap is my favourite avenger so screw that guy.
14:58 I am pretty sure it was established in the movie that he was not very good at Russian. So, his pauses between each word can be exused. Also, it doesn't matter how fast he says it if Bucky can not understand him.
Actually, vibranium absorbs and dissipates all force, meaning the gun and his hand would have been completely fine. Heck, even the bullet wouldn't be damaged.
It may have been rumored, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't confirmed until some time after they both announced they were vying for the same date. I remember hearing several discussions after the conformation about how it now made sense that Marvel would think this film had a chance against Batman V Superman, whereas it seemed quite unrealistic before.
UltraSargent Why, half of his sins are just sinning the movie itself then calling it a “missed nitpick”. He should title the video “Everything cinemasins missed in Civil War”
bobvids is actually demonstrating what competent nit-picking is, you know, the kind that's actually informed and logical, and that technique of dismantling the utter bullshit that is cinemasins ignorance (willfull or otherwise) while doing what cinemasins is attempting to do but sooo much better, is the point of the whole video, showing CS incompetence on multiple levels
These videos are such quality. I used to enjoy Cinema Sins many years ago when their criticism was valid and their videos weren't artificially inflated for length to increase their watch time.
I totally agree. They were pretty funny when they started, but then they became obnoxious. Also, it's so funny I don't usually like to watch 15+ minute videos on RUclips, but I'm watching these from beginning till the end.
Esteban Álvarez guys, do you really think Jeremy is trying to pass off his videos as actual critiques? He has specifically stated that he is not a critic. They are just putting videos together for the sole purpose of comedy, and not EVERY sin is going to be valid, or well thought out, because they're not supposed to be.
I used to believe that, but watch the end of EWW EWW Age of Ultron. It's shown that many of the sins Jeremy says that were proven wrong were also in Jeremy's before and after series, where he honestly reviews films and gives his first impressions.
Not only can Captain America hold his breath long, he has an insane tolerance due to a high metabolism (if I remember correctly from the drinking scene in Captain America).
oh my god, these guys seemed to get NOTHING out of this movie, the whole Sikovia Accords thing only requires like base fucking level knowledge of power checks and UN regulations, it's a fucking marvel movie, it doesn't require a genius level IQ to understand.
"obvious" is a strong word. I personally can't lip-read to save my life. But I would concede that someone with a brain that has a mass over 2 ounces would probably infer just from the circumstances from the scene, and what TONY is saying, that Aunt May is excited and surprised. The video creator treats this like rocket science.
@@roachybill Is it valid? If it changes from person to person? Some people can't tell what she's mouthing. Other people who think they know what she's mouthing have different answers. Some people didn't notice her mouthing something in the first place, because Tony was talking. I mean the purpose of this series of videos on CinemaSins is to point out how they make terrible critiques, while missing valid ones... and "what's Aunt May mouthing" has been proven by this comment chain to be completely subjective.. aka the kind of thing CinemaSins themselves counts as Sins. I find it a bizarre thing to point out as "a *real* flaw, that CS didn't catch"
4:25 I feel the need to point out, as someone who has lived in the actual Lagos in Nigeria, that the movie (and by extension you and CinemaSins) pronounced it wrong. It's not "Lah-gos", it's "Lay-gos". The scene where Cap says "Lah-gos" actually got a laugh out of the theater in Abuja where I saw it because of that, even though it wasn't a comedic scene. Minor nitpick :v
@@meowntown69 Really? I never would have thought of that, and I never even considered that they're pronounced the same way until you just brought that up. It'd be pretty petty if Lego did try to take some sort of action over the pronunciation, but it also wouldn't be the pettiest thing people have taken legal action over.
@@Antifrost but Lagos = lay-goss (the goss sound should rhyme with "boss") while Lego = leh-go or leg-oh... no part of the words are pronounced the same. not a single syllable rhymes or anything, what would the issue be?.
@@gothboithick This may be a difference in dialects, but I usually hear "Lego" pronounced "Lay-go" (which is also how "Leg-O" would be pronounced). That said, I doubt this was done to avoid issues with Lego since Lagos is a real city. The more likely explanation is that "Lah-gos" is what would normally come to mind for most Americans when seeing a word spelled "L-A-G-O-S" and the filmmakers probably didn't bother to check.
I need Cinema Sins to do a "Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong with Captain America: Civic War" video. It would be a civil Civil War war.
J D Lesemajeste And while it would be a cool idea it simply can't be made because not only does Jeremy not care about this guy who's actually bringing out some legitimately good points and that's just it, this guy's bringing out some absolutely legitimately good points there's nothing more to say he makes a statement he shows his proof Jeremy makes a statement but shows no proof and if he does show the proof he completely misunderstands the proof the video would be completely one-sided.
They would not be able to do that. Everything said in this video is true. The only way they could possibly do that is by meticulously deconstructing everything in this video, which would immediately remove the idea that this is """"""""""""""""""""satire"""""""""""""""""""". Oh wait, they already proved it's not satire when they started RETRACTING SINS.
One of Cap's powers is that his brain processes information a lot faster than the typical person. This increases his reflexes but also allows him to quickly calculate the trajectory of his shield milliseconds before throwing it.
Spider-Man's web shooters only fire when the middle and ring finger are down while all other fingers are out, creating a specific stress pattern in the tendons. They explain that in the old animated series and probably the comics.
Not only that, in the comics they're designed to need some level of Super Strength to set off, so he doesn't accidentally fire them. He needs to push down on them pretty hard.
Wall Staples The Comics had said that he needs to push down with a specific amount of pressure from those two fingers to make the web shooters work. It was done this way to explain why the web shooters didn't go off every time he did something like caught someone's fist or made his own fist. I'd imagine it would be possible to replicate that exact pressure occasionally but it would probably be pretty rare.
Missed nitpick for your missed nitpick of my missed nitpick: If you watch that scene again you'll see the person Falcon shoots doesn't get up from being knocked down - he's already standing and turns around to look at Falcon after he drops in and kicks the 2 other mercs. Plus, Falcon had to be close to the other 2 mercs to kick them, but the third merc is too far away to physically take out, so Falcon opts to shoot him instead.
I've rewatched that scene like a dozen times now and honestly I'm just trying to figure out: Where the fuck does that last soldier come from? It's a narrow area and during all the shots from the initial fly in until after he kicks the guy basically gives you views of the entire rooftop and he's not there. But at the same time the only way it's one of the guys he kicked is if they managed to somehow grab their gun and then get up before he even looks up.
Missed nitpick to your missed nitpick to their missed nitpick of your missed nitpick: The third merc is not there in the overhead shots. He's obviously a different person, but basically manifests out of nowhere for Falcon to shoot.
I believe aunt may way mouthing “It’ll be fun,”. It’s heavily implied that peter is kind of a loner who doesn’t go out to do much (As far as May is concerned)
And it been retro retcon that Pete was the kid with the iron man mask Tony saved in IM2. Added on civil war Peter was still dealing with Uncle Ben death. So Aunt May thought it would be nice for Pete to spend time with one of his role models.
17:28, I do believe Aunt May is saying,”Can’t believe it!”. I mean tony stark just pops outta no where saying that her nephew is apart of the Stark Foundation.
20:00 Hmmm... let us see... Perhaps he has a sensor in that button that can distinguish two fingers from a fist? Like, register the different type of pressure points? And before saying this would be impossible: Remember that this is a film with 2 guys in Robo-suits, a AI with laser beams, flight and much, a guy with superhuman strength and a shield that can absorb and deflect any kind of (kinetic) energy, a guy that can grow and shrink, a girl with mental powers and not forget a guy with a robot-arm... So realism here can be a bit less imo.
I love every one of these. Have you ever considered just straight up doing movie reviews or video essays? I feel like you'd probably have a lot of interesting stuff to say and would be far more enertaining than like 90% of "film critics" on youtube.
7:15 - pretty much everyone does this nowadays. It's annoying to go to the theaters with most people because they'll find plot holes that aren't there. I blame cinemasins for brainwashing them with stupidity.
I'm seeing a lot of people on Neogaf trying to use the "it's just for comedy!" defense....like you didn't already obliterate that defense point a few videos back already. Seems like people, at least some people, are still using the same defense for these guys. The guy's aren't doing it for comedy. They're being serious. Anyone who listens to their material outside the show knows they make the same points there that they do in their shitty mainline videos. It's so ridiculous. Keep up the good work, Kamoc. Your videos are sorely needed and hilarious.
On the subtitles provided by RUclips for this video, it says "Jeremy:" when Jeremy talks, "Bob:" when Bob talks, and so on. However, when Hawkeye talks at 18:08, the subtitles read: "Hot Guy:" I feel like Bob just put that in there on purpose, of he imported his own subtitles. +bobvids, please confirm cause that's just hilarious if it was intentional.
" I DON'T GET IT! WHY WOULD TONY BE MAD ABOUT WINTER SOLDIER KILLING HIS PARENTS IF HE KNEW HE WAS UNDER MIND CONTROL!? IT'S NOT LOGICAL!" Um, because he killed his parents? I doubt any rational person would just be cool with their parents being murdered just because the murderer wasn't in complete control of their actions. There's missing information when watching the movie, and then there is being this clueless about simple human empathy. It makes me feel like the Cinema Sins is some kinda of weird hipster robot built to ascertain RUclips views from gullible idiots.
ExtrematronYT so I disagree with you on this one. I think yes, you would be mad if someone killed your parents, but if you gave it clearer thought, and know that the killer was not in control you would only be mad at them for a short time. Then start to shift your blame to to people who did the mind controlling.
Baron von Strucker, in the Age of Ultron, used Loki's Scepter in his experiments on the twins to give them superpowers. As the scepter is the vessel for the mind stone, it could be inferred that the scarlet witch's powers are derived from the mind stone, and not real magic. Then again, we don't know the details of the experiments. Maybe the mind stone was used on her to unlock an already strong talent for Magic.
tearak Considering the Sony/Disney business deal, this might actually pave the way to bringing mutants into the MCU. I can’t see them properly making the twins Magneto’s kids, but having an infinity stone unlock mutant abilities and have Scarlet Witch bridge the gap to bring the Xmen in would be neat. The Avengers are trying to understand Wanda’s powers, how they relate to the Mind stone aka Vision, and an explanation of “its more than radiation/exposure, its actually the X gene unlocked!” occurs. Then as with Wakanda, the Avengers learn despite being superheros there is a still a lot of super stuff the world barely knows about that they can still discover.
tearak Huh...I thought they were just Inhumans and that Von Strucker used one of those crystals from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 on them. I must've forgot about the whole Loki's Scepter thing.
For the missed nitpick at 20:56 I'm assuming for the web shooters to go off, a very specific bit of pressure needs to be put on a very specific part of the glove and nowhere else, which is why they never go off when he makes a fist. I'm going based off of what was said in the 1994 series
"I make seven hostiles" Falcon kicks two. One gets up and Falcon shoots him. "I make five". Seems legit to me. You might blame the editing, but I thought it was pretty clear.
Akray Bothorda Editing and continuity issues. The guy he shoots is wearing different web gear than either of the guys he kicked. Additionally the blocking is all wrong for it to be one of the two. It almost certainly was supposed to be just two guys, but they muddy the waters with the costuming and the blocking.
Plus, the shot of Falcon landing outs him on the opposite side of the roof from where he supposedly landed. That whole sequence is a mess, but it goes by quick enough that it doesn’t show too badly.
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There is one point I would like to make about a missed nitpick. There is a reason Falcon would wait to deploy his wings. He's trying to gain momentum in an urban environment. What that means is that if he deploys his wings too early he can't get up to speed properly and it's hard to maneuver at low speed and in an urban environment and that's dangerous because you need enough velocity to avoid hitting any buildings and to avoid any winds or updratfs. Real falcons, hawks and eagles (that is the raptors) actually do this exact same thing when pouncing on their prey. They will drop, while keeping their wings pulled back, until the last possible minute to hit their prey with enough force to stun them and then spread their wings and star flapping. Hell, skydivers actually wait till they are within a certain distance of the ground before deploying their chutes because if they do it too early they risk getting grabbed by wind and air currents and getting pulled in a direction they don't want to go or having their chute collapse. So that is actually based on real world aerodynamics.
I was going to say this but looks like I don't have to. Last thing he needs is to pull the wings out early and stall. I'm sure firing rockets and fuel and the sort wastefully should be avoided
That was my initial thought as well. However, his “wings” are basically just a jet pack with wings, right? He doesn’t use the wings to propel him into the air. Otherwise he would be flapping them constantly like flying mammals do. If he has a jet pack, momentum is essentially irrelevant because you’re gonna get all the momentum you need from the rocket on your back lol.
@@king_supreme1102 the reply above you answers your question. Falcon doesn't want to waste his jetpack fuel if it can be avoided.
@@UselessFeature what’s a couple extra seconds of fuel burned gonna do tho (not like they’d ever have that has a plot point anyways). Anytime he’s not diving he’s gonna be using the fuel up anyways. Wasn’t it later upgraded to Stark Tech or something like it anyways? I assumed it ran on whatever Iron Man’s suits did, and fuel was never an issue with him.
@@king_supreme1102 thats a fair point and I feel we're getting too far into nitpicking territory where we'll never get a definitive answer and we'll have to just go with suspension of disbelief.
I'm almost 100% positive that the person who could have edited the teleprompter was on stage giving the speech.
It would have been entirely in-character for Tony to design a teleprompter whose user interface was intuitive to his own mind but incredibly difficult for anyone else to figure out because other people don't think the way he does and he didn't think about their perspective when designing the system.
CinemaSins used to be more funny, but I stopped watching them a long time ago. They mark stuff as "sins" that make perfect sense unless you deliberately pretend to be dumb. Lazy and unfunny. This video just reminded me why I stopped watching them. You get a sub for that.
That last little "Dear Marvel" is a fantastic example of Jeremy's ignorance of film industry and what audiences spend money on and prefer.
I want to hope Jeremy one day thinks he has the cahones to do his own movie project and (may get people to see due to CinemaSins Jerk offing) in the end, still end up bombing and be TERRRRRRIBLE and he lashes out at us as if WE’RE THE ASSHOLES RUINING HOLLYWOOD.
😂😂
@@dereknight861 nostalgia critic movie moment
The moment he said “who cares about Captain America” I realized he was full of shit. Because, regardless, Superman and Captain American are interesting for the exact same reason, the only difference is that it’s easier to write an interesting plot for Captain America because he doesn’t have powers that can literally solve every obstacle instantly.
@@TurbopropPuppy What? Doug has openly stated he appreciates the criticism, and enjoys people reviewing his work. He's gone on record to say he loves seeing other people share his passion of filmography, even if they don't agree with him.
I'm not sure where you got this idea he "lashed out" at his audience.
I think Zemo read Bucky's trigger words slowly and deliberately because they require clear pronunciation to work. It's not a magic word that just produces an effect no matter how you say it, but an activation button that requires Bucky's conditioned brain to acknowledge what it's hearing.
Rodrigo Gasca Gómez He also isn’t a native speaker of Russian, and would want to remove any remote chance of unclarity as best he can to compensate for his lack of skill with the language.
Yes
I saw that as an example of a joke that CinemaSins could have made.
I don't know about you, but when he read out those words hella fast I laughed. 😁
OMG you guys just said exactly what I was thinking.
KLAATU... BARADA... NIKTO!
20:55 actually, if you watched the 90's Spider-Man Animated Series, Peter says to that little girl in the Make a Wish episode that his web shooters only fire with the exact pressure and force of his two middle fingers so that it won't fire randomly if he makes a fist or high fives anyone. Great video btw, just wanted to point this out though.
im also sure there is a version in the comics where he has to double tap the pressure plates on his palm so they wouldnt go off when making a fist.
Also if you notice Peter catching the punch, he does it with his fingers rather than his palm. The fist doesn't actually rest in his palm.
@@LupineShadowOmega That's true!
@@josefinasalgado777: drat you beat me by 2 months
@@jonathanross149 ahahah instantly remembered that episode, it's just so good!
Holy shit, the fact that the Cinema Sins guy was actually in the camp of "It's Batman and Superman in the same movie so it *has* to be good" explains sooo much.
Most people thought BvS was going to kill at the box office, and with good reason. It's Batman and Superman in the same movie for the first time ever. The initial success of BvS was frontloaded because the bad word of mouth killed it's overall total.
To be fair, I really liked BvS.
Oh, sure, it's not like Marvel has had crossovers of other classic characters in their films, and it's not like those crossovers have been executed so much better than DC's films. Clearly DC is so much better than Marvel! Just take a look at the critical reception of Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad and Justice League!
Sarcasm aside, I thought Justice League was more or less good. Not on the level of The Avengers, but good.
I hope you mean AoU, because Avengers 1 was mediocre as fuck.
I meant Avengers 1, which, in my opinion, is one of the best superhero movies ever made.
I’d like to offer a response to one of your “missed nitpicks.” Probably the reason Zemo reads the trigger words so slowly is because he doesn’t speak Russian (the way he practiced the words suggests he was learning them phonetically), and he needs to make sure he pronounces the words correctly. In fact, you demonstrated this yourself when you mispronounced all the words.
That was the point of the “missed nitpick” bit.
yes and no, in the scene, zemo is acting as if he's in total control because bucky is in that cage thing, but the same scene implies that bucky could eventually smash the cage from the inside with a little time. if zemo was concerned about saying the words correctly, he would be more focused on the book, or maybe even a little nervous. instead he's giving the vibe that he's taunting bucky because he's in the process of gaining complete control over him, with confidence.
You are right, i think. I am russian, and when actors try to speak russian in most movies i do not understand them.
@@ИринаХамзина-д1у same as most that tries to speak Chinese
It could also be that he’s trying to make it as slow as possible, because he wants to torture Bucky.
As if he’s making him FEEL like he’s slipping out of control
Really thoroughly convinced that CinemaSins are really making people dumber. Getting everybody to criticize things w/o thinking about what they're saying
Worse part is, that's how most people behave already. That's why CS exists; they're just playing to that base impulse and so stoke that in others.
One thing I feel I should bring up is that the Sakovia Accords weren’t at all part of Zemo’s plan. His plan was merely to break apart the avengers, the Accords made that easier, but that was a happy accident. Zemo never once even mentions the accords during the movie.
I just noticed how Wanda had a guitar in her room. Imagine how amazing it might be to play guitar if you were able to chose exactly what string to pick and when and in what pattern. Imagine the tunes she could play with her powers.
Sounds exactly like one would play a guitar normally, but OK
@@JeanMarceaux Considering our modern idea of Wanda, this comment is quite short-sighted. In wandavision, even if playing for laughs, telekinesis is one of her powers, like moving objects to her whim.
Also, how else would you purpose she’d play the guitar with her powers? Trevor might have confusingly explained his idea a bit. But telekinesis to play any tune she can think of isn’t too out there.
@@wendeviant2475 exactly. Poor wording for the performance method led to the confusion between playing a guitar with telekinetic powers and playing it normally, since in both cases you choose what string to pick and in what pattern.
Also, while I can imagine the kind of tunes one would be able to play if they could control the instrument with the power of their mind (thinking Morgan Stanley/Adrian Belew/Ichika Nito, but significantly more complex), it would take more than just the powers to be able to perform such pieces
Regardless, could be interesting, if I was at least a tiny morsel interested in Marvel.
@@JeanMarceaux It's not exactly how one would play the guitar as with telekinesis she could pluck strings in such a way that it wouldn't be physically possible for a normal person to do with just two hands. Like how Rush E is impossible on piano, unless you had 8 hands.
Telekinetic guitar solos were not something I thought I wanted in a marvel movie until now
Cinema Sins: Everything wrong with Civil War
Bobvids: *throws Uno reverse card*
Should’ve saved it for Infinity War and we’d have seen Thanos snap himself out of existence
That last sin is even more hilarious now that Infinity War is out, since the events of Civil War and the resulting conflict between Cap and Tony have an enormous impact on the events in Infinity War. On top of that, it's almost certainly going to be a major element in End Game after all the investment they've made over multiple movies.
Guess what, you were right 🙂
(Potentially) explaining missed nitpick: Spidey's webshooters actually function like a high pressure mouse button in the comics. To fire a web, he double taps the pressure sensitive trigger in his palm like when you double click a mouse. Depending on how long he holds one of the clicks also gives different results, like a wide net versus a thin line. This is why he doesn't accidentally shoot a web when making a fist or catching one.
There's nothing in the movie explaining this, but I just thought it was a fun bit of trivia.
You might be the first person to remember and recite *all* the details of how they work that I've seen in the threads here, so kudos!
Thanks. I've always found them interesting and used to read any Marvel manuals that would come out.
Also, heh. Seen all the "threads". Web shooters. Nice.
TheTaff512 I like how this is a nitpick when he complains about Cinemasins sinning something that's not fully explained
Because this wasn't explained at all in the movie, leaving the viewers who noticed it to speculate about it. This is different from what he complains about Jeremy for doing because he's able to use logic or information from the movie to refute Jeremy's nitpicks. He gets mad at Cinemasins for basically ignoring the context that is presented.
Even further I'd argue, Spiderman is wearing the a suit Tony made for him. It probably has a system in place to prevent misfires.
The confusion over the Bucky killing Tony's parents scene made me so mad when I first watched it. The color sections are obviously to give info to the audience, and the black and white sections are what Tony is seeing.
I think Zemo was saying the words slowly and with pauses to make sure Bucky heard them and was affected by them. Bucky was yelling, sirens were going off, and Bucky was stuck behind bulletproof glass, which he was pounding on. If he messed up the order, or one of them wasn’t heard, it might not take effect, and then he’d have UN agents and some Avengers on one end, and a freed Winter Soldier on the other.
21:00 OOH! OOH! I can explain this! Spider-Man's webshooters function on a double tap, so that they don't go off whenever he makes a fist.
Wow and I thought I was a spidey fan, can you tell me where they say this in the comics?
The absolutely masterful Kid Who Collects Spider-Man contains this explanation, though I got it slightly wrong: the button is specifically placed so that it doesn't go off when he makes a fist, the double-tap is incidental (but in my opinion still crucial for explaining how he's able to lift things without it triggering.) I don't know if that was the first time it was mentioned (my gut says it got explained in a Ditko issue,) but that's where I first heard it.
I was coming down here to make this comment, but let me help with the details:
It's in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #4 (1967), by the way (so it's post-Ditko--Romita, Sr-era. Yay!) and it actually *does* say that the double tap is the actual exact reason, so you weren't wrong (the feature is called "What the Well-Dressed Spider-Man Will Wear", and is sort of a sequel to the Ditko/Lee-era Annual #1 feature, "The Secrets of Spider-Man", which deals more with his spider-induced powers):
"To prevent accidental firing when making a fist, it is necessary to touch the release button *twice* , in a pre-programmed, pre-set pattern! If you've short, stubby fingers, forget it!"
(it also goes on to mention what causes different webs--basically, the second press's length varies how it's extruded in a number of fashions)
Thanks! It's been a really long time since I read the Essentials, so I forgot all about those fun back-up features they'd have. I knew I could have cited one of those guides/encyclopedias, but, well, I figured that that would be cheating. Thanks again for the help!
For sure! It's been something like a decade since I read any of the 60s issues--for a while there I was the sort of person who chuckled knowingly when JJJ ordered pigs-in-a-blanket in in Spider-Man 2, but I let most of that knowledge decay over the years.
But those backup features stuck in my head--probably at least partly revived by my current read of the Moench/Sienkiewicz Moon Knight, which does some of the same stuff to fill space.
It should also be pointed out that Cap broke Tony's helmet off, before breaking the Arc Reactor. Iron Man's suit is air-tight. If he couldn't take the helmet off he would've suffocated and died.
Bold of you to assume that the super genius can’t figure out some sort of ventalation
@@thenumber27issomehowtaken Even if Iron Man did have a fail safe, which he probably did, KEEP IN MIND HIS SUIT WOULD BE TURNED OFF, not only could his fail-safe ventilation not work due to how beat up his suit is, but why even take any chances.
@@Whispernyan You never heard of auxiliary power?
@@Whispernyan You literally called it fail-safe ventilation. I know this is a year too late, but I what you to know the difference between fail-safe and fail-secure. This video explains it: ruclips.net/video/fb5bY_MUKZg/видео.html
@@willhendrix3140 But, but what does any of that have to do with anything. My usage of the word failsafe is not incorrect.
"Either Stan Lee, or Dead"
Well that didn't age well.
Neither did he
E-SPACE Productions NO!!!
That entire segment Jeremy made didn't age well
Well, guess I'm dead, then.
@@e-spaceproductions Dying at 95 years old is aging pretty well.
When I first discovered CinemaSins, I thought it would be fun and refreshing to see someone pick apart the ways filmmakers treat audiences like they're stupid. A few of his"sins" I disagreed with, but fine. I don't have to agree on everything. Then I noticed I was disagreeing with a LOT of his"sins." He was sinning things that were actually addressed in the movies. He was sinning good filmmaking. He was misusing movie terminology. This is that jerk who is convinced he has everything figured out but doesn't, yet won't stop talking. I don't mean just movies-- i'm sure if you met him at a party, he would carry on about world politics, explaining everything in a way that is just SO OBVIOUS to him-- I mean, come one! Why are all these experts doing so many stupid things, when he can figure out the answer in 3 seconds? Yet his easy answer doesn't take into account the nuances of the situation and the way things work in the real world. He needs to feel smarter than the experts, even when he isn't. Apply that attitude to movies and you have CinemaSIns.
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Watch everything wrong with cinemasins
You’ll be glad you did
exactly, ditto
You're taking his videos too seriously. It's a comedy series, his sins aren't supposed to be taken at face value
He should try making some of his sins funny, then people might not make this "mistake" so often.
Or you can lighten up and not take everything to heart. That sounds much simpler
Falcon may require a specific airspeed velocity in order to gain enough lift from his wings to pull out of the dive without stalling.
I love this comment more than I should.
But what _is_ the airspeed velocity of an unladen Falcon?
I that an African Falcon or a European Falcon? ;)
Ice Bear and because it looks badass
Clash Fan North American falcon. 😉
You got a subscriber from that fast reading of bucky's russian trigger words 😂
Yea, that was by FAR the funniest part, I can't contain myself either. The rest is just well crafted entertainment but this, THIS !!!
It's not quite Russian though, is it
And actually that's why Zemo read them so slow - I doubt that Bucky would be triggered by this garbled nonsense.
15:14 yep that was epuc!🤣
CinemaSins has a long and chequered history of looking at how something plays out and then assuming that it's the *only* way it could have *possibly* played out and therefore whatever series of events occurred must have been "part of the villain's plan" - like the villain can't think on their feet and alter the plan when things change.
If Cap, Bucky and Tony hadn't followed him hard on his heels to Siberia, Zemo would have made a clean getaway and then could have made sure the tape was made known to Iron Man at a time that would ensure maximum disruption.
As it happens, they caught up with him so he made the best of the situation and distracted them from following him by unleashing the tape, knowing that it would foment discord between at least Tony and Bucky and that Cap would most likely protect Bucky, pitting him against Tony.
The plan didsn't even *need* the Sokovia Accords to work - the contents of the tape were enough to put Tony and Cap at odds with one another. The Sokovia Accords _already_ putting them on opposite sides of a contentious issue was just another nail in the coffin - one for which Zemo was probably extremely grateful and he made full use of it. After all, Tony and Cap might have agreed about the Accords (either for or against, wouldn't matter) and both be at odds with _other_ team members over them. The goal was the tape that would set those two main players against each other, regardless of which side of the Accords debate they came down on.
This is not the only time CinemaSins has looked at a villain's plan and said "but how could X know they would do that" when "that" wasn't the only thing that would have led to the same outcome.
But, nah, to CinemaSins, every last thing that happened was part of an *extremely convoluted plan* that relied _entirely_ on Cap and Tony being on opposite sides of the Accords and them catching up with him at _exactly_ that time and place. Oh, and the Accords happened _after_ Lagos, therefore they were _because of_ Lagos - the same "logic" that says that because I found my lost keys after I tripped over the cat, I only found them _because_ I tripped over the cat and therefore the next time I lose my keys I should deliberately trip over the cat...
Of course Zemo knew that the Accords were coming well in advance (they're the _Sokovia_ Accords, not the _Lagos_ Accords) and would presume that there would be a division amid the Avengers. He could not _know_ that Tony and Cap would pick separate sides, but it wouldn't matter if they didn't because he had a contingency plan that he was sure would pit them against each other.
Getting all ultra specific and wondering how Zemo knew all the minutiae that would happen is just silly. Zemo wanted the Hydra agent to tell him about the Mission. That failed. He then engineered framing Bucky so that it would spark a man-hunt that resulted in his capture so that he could use the book to find out about the Mission. Once he had that he headed off and got the tape that would set Tony and Cap at odds. That was his plan - and he timed it so that it happened at a time when the Avengers were likely to be divided over the Sokovia Accords for maximum damage. Everything else that happened was just icing on the cake for him.
If the Hydra agent had cracked, Zemo would have got the tape without Bucky needing to be caught and _still_ would have driven a wedge between Tony and Cap. Zemo made it quite clear to both the Hydra agent and Bucky that he'd rather do this the easy way but the Hydra agent staying silent forced him to get the info out of Bucky - Jeremy must have been asleep or texting on his phone during those parts of the movie.
I know I’m late but just had to add, his plan very nearly might have failed since Black Panther almost murdered Bucky at the airport.
@@Myrios526 See but that's a legit point, not any of the garbage that cinema sins is running with.
@@Myrios526 In Zemo's defense, he might have not known about Black Panther before.
@person person Yeah, the tape was the plan. Right from the outset, he was interested in the details of that mission. He tortured a man - when he would rather have not - to attempt to find out those details.
@@mrmiscellaneous105 By the Jeremy school of logic, fucking off Black Panther (and nearly getting probably the last person who knew about the mission killed) was part of Zemo's complex and convoluted plan.
Cinema Sins voice: "Zemo couldn't have possibly known about Black Panther, so this part of the plan where Black Panther nearly kills Zemo's target is silly."
Incredibles 2 spoiler:
I love how he showed the clip with the Underminer, considering the fact that after the fight a very similar situation to Sokovia Accords plays out.
3:36. This was actually one of my favorite scenes upon rewatching as it was a subtle way of incorporating one of Cap's lesser used powers, not breath holding but immunity to all poisons and toxins.
Yeah, that’s why in the first cap movie, he says he can’t get drunk.
@@maxrichards3881 Wolverine has a similar power, but it’s because his liver is so powerful that it immediately converts alcohol into water
@@iggykidd Flash has a similar power but it's not as potent, in the CW show he has increased metabolism and if I remember correctly thats the reason why he finds it difficult to get drunk. They actually solve this by giving him a very beefed up alcoholic drink devised by one of the scientists working with him.
Not as effective as Wolverine as it doesn't completely negate alcohol though.
I'm just so tired of hearing smarmy pseudo-intellectuals quote CinemaSins during a movie to try and "poke holes" in something that I'm trying to enjoy--and try to pass it off as their own idea, too. They're trying to show off their "critical thinking skills" while not actually using any. You've definitely earned another subscriber.
Madison Stoner my roommate says "pointless exposition" any time there is any dialog, then " I was just joking" when I point out that its not. talk about picking up on bad habits.
Madison Stoner i have never heard people quote that
The reason why Scarlet Witches actions were relevant to the Sokovia Accords is that it was the final nail in the coffin. It became the defining reason that the accords was past due and needed to be implemented immediately.
The "missed nitpicks" are what cinemasins should be
Yes
A lot of them are also wrong actually. I think they should drop that.
sup sloth.... lol. how rare is it to find someone with sloth in their name.
Also, he is wrong about Falcon's missile. It would not explode if it bonked his head. Missiles only explode when they are close to their target, they do not explode due to impact.
Nope, a lot are wrong, like the 7 5 4 thing is wrong
20:57 In the comics, Spider-Man's web shooters are activated by a double tap, otherwise they'd go off any time he clenched his fist to punch someone. I'm assuming this would be the explanation for the movies too.
*Most* of spidey's gear in the MCU is fairly faithful. So I'd assume this is the case
Even in Spider-Verse that's how they explain it!
Black Panther covering the gun wouldn't cause it to backfire. Vibranium doesn't act like normal material, it absorbs kinetic energy.
I figure Zemo might have gotten a slight burn on his hand and that's about it.
It absorbs kinetic energy, so it can stop a bullet, but what about the pressure of gunpowder explosion in the barrel, where would that go?
@@JeanMarceaux gun go boom
@@gibberishdump1610 exactly
@@JeanMarceaux Had it always absorbed kinetic energy? I thought that was a new modification made in the BP movie, which happens after the events of CW (I really don’t know, so I’m not being facetious or snarky here).
“Among caps amazing abilities is the one where he holds his breath for a while” I laughed so hard 😂😂
“Or is that too ridiculous for a dude who wALKS THROUGH WALLS?” I was drinking water and almost spit it out I laughed so hard
@@Game7DMocap is actually immune to poison and toxins fun fact lol
30:22 It’s also worth noting that Zemo’s plan actually has nothing to do with the Accords, and wouldn’t be affected by them at all.
So Jeremy’s whole “Zemo’s plan relies on Scarlet Witch doing something stupid during the Crossbones fight” thing is completely wrong.
Why do all 'hospital/torture' scenes take place in huge rooms? In reality, these things happen in very small rooms.
@@emsnewssupkis6453 - How would you know that?
On second thought, don't tell me.
I'm pretty sure that I don't want to know.
Exactly. Zemo could have bombed anything remotely associated with the Avengers to get both them on his tail and get Bucky framed for the bombing. The hearing and signing of the Accords was simply a perfect timing sort of thing for that.
Emsnews Supkis Three questions: 1. How are the words “hospital” and “torture” in any way related? 2. How exactly do you know this, even if it is true? 3. The hell does this have to do with the original comment?
Diamante Mirabelle it’s pretty well known how torture takes place. You have to be pretty unaware of the world around you.
@ Bucky trigger words nitpick: Zemo doesn't speak Russian, earlier we saw him practicing the words from the book. He can't pronounce those words that quckly and he needs to be careful cause a mispronounciation could make the trigger fail.
I know, I just thought it was funny how Zemo kept staring at Bucky after each word, like he was saying "What you gonna do about it? Huh?" with his eyes every time. Seemed goofy to me.
Well, Zemo is clearly all about the revenge, so he takes pleasure in Bucky's pain. I liked it.
The bit where you spoke fast russian was great
Guy R I think it can be both. Zemo's enjoying seeing Bucky fight the trigger words' effects, while making sure he says them correctly so they'll work.
Zemo wants revenge against the Avengers but I don't think he takes pleasure at all in Bucky's pain. He knows he's a victim as well but you know he's a tool.
I think he's only staring to make sure it's working. The book could be full of shit.
I think the "3rd" armed dude on the roof that tries to shoot Falcon is actually one of the two he kicked. I checked the angle and it fits.
Maybe kicking 2 opponents at a time - he kicked one less so he had to shoot him after to double tap. Hence 5 remaining dudes.
I´m just practicing noticing things, teach me master.
I absolutely love these vids, man, thank you som much :D
It's hard to tell with all the cuts, but both kicked guys end up face down. Neither would be in position for being shot
As a Nigerian, Jeremy's pronunciation of Lagos gets to me.
Ahen
Seriously, I always thought it was kind of obvious but guess not. Zemo's plan literally relied on nothing but the getting the tape. Not the accords, not the bombing, not Lagos. Zemo is either criminally understated or overstated in his execution of his plans by most people's accounts. Had he got the info on the base & tape from the very first guy he meets then he'd have released it then and there. He had to go through back-up plans galore, including learning fucking Russian and building a homemade EMP bomb in a hotel closet.
26:03 lol
I find it so funny that CinemaSins guy loves to go on about mistakes and errors in movies but he basically just admits he doesn't have a clue on how a simple security cam footage is recorded...
That's what I saw thinking. Like, wouldn't common sense tell you that the memory isn't stored in the camera itself? That would make them useless. Why the hell would there be offices watching the footage at all times if some random kid could throw a rock at it and delete all data.
This is the same guy who thinks there's no gravity in space, or that being strong means you do more damage when you get knocked into a car. He basically has the mind of a toddler.
CinemaSins is all about a normie trying to twist and bend facts to make "entertaining" videos, not informative ones.
he is the bastardized version of a common idiot trying to do a professional review...
and this guy has a very scumbag history of doing clickbait content before he create the CinemaSins Channel.
mrcauduro i
You guys are a bunch of babies that take a comedy page seriously
Hahaha this man actually thought that bvs would be better than civil war. These videos are so good you gotta do more of them.
jude well blind DCEU fanboys (futurexmDCComics zone the worst of them) think it is, but who honestly cares what those idiotic people think
Joker You like Marvel and D.C. Equally too!! Great. Why do people waste their time having these wars when they could just like both!
He thought BvS would make more money than civil war, which before the second trailer dropped, almost everyone thought.
No. He thought BvS would do better than CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. It wasn't unjustified at that point, before Cap 3 was revealed to be Civil War.
jude Lol when?
That wasn't a missed nitpick with falcon kicking 2 guards, he kicked 2, one got back up and he shot him - there were only 2 :)
Exactly what I thought
Sin souls
Thank You!!!
I thought that too, so I rewatched that scene and Falcon turns to face him, so it's a third guy.
No he didn’t it was at a different person
Another thing, Zemo's original plan was to just get the information on the Siberia base from the former Hydra goon at the beginning. If that guy had told him everything from the start, he probably would've just gotten to the base and released the footage to the Avengers from that point.
The Russo Bros actually explain why they had the plot play out like this in behind the scenes footage. They couldn't have Tony learning about Bucky killing his parents be the inciting incident because either Tony would eventually calm down and understand Bucky wasn't in control or if he didn't they'd end up portraying Tony as a straight up villain which they didn't want to do.
W.C. Wit but if he got out then he should met cap and bucky near the gate of the bunker
Tony flipping out over Bucky's assassinations was BvS tier regardless. So out of character for him.
MisterHeroman I’m sorry but if I saw someone kill my parents idk if I’d be too cool with letting him live and it’s not as bad as MARTHAAA
Nope. This is Tony we're talking about. He knew about the plan of Zemo, and was ready to forgive Cap & Bucky. Plus I believe BP spoke to him earlier as well. He should have been ready, and he knew the consequences of falling into the mind trap of getting he and cap to destroy each other. Plus he at least knew Steve Rodgers, and again, this is calm cool cold calculating Tony Stark here, not hothead batman. It really is as bad as BvS, maybe worse.
I don't know how long u have been around. This channel is the water that is diluting the ignorance in cinemasins. I'm sold. U have my subscription. As an aspiring writer, I stand to learn from these.
As an aspiring writer, get used to writing out the word 'you'.
Look up shaun
Shaun is great
The communications frequency "sin" really was bizarre. I was a radio operator and that would have been absolutely hilarious if someone on TV had said that where our IC could see it.
20:57 They actually answered this in the comics! Spidey's webshooters require Peter to double-tap the trigger with his fingers before the webbing comes out, kinda like the clicker of a computer mouse. That's while the webshooters don't go off everytime he closes his hand into a fist or clings to a wall
The reasons why Cinema Sins make so many mistakes is because they don't pay attention when watching the movies they criticise, they deliberately leave out or ignore moments in films to make their "jokes" work, and they are nowhere near as smart as they think they are. Also they are very arrogant and condescending.
Stephen Robinson their videos are meant as entertainment and to earn some money, they don't dedicate their life on that. And by the tone of this guy's voice he sounds waaaay more arrogant and condescending than Jeremy ever did ..
@ Jizz This defense does not work at all, when you look at Jeremy's real review channel.
Thank God there are fanboys around to defend Cinemasins whenever his bullshit gets called out. Otherwise Jeremy might consider improving the quality of his content.
@@SebiBubble I don't dedicate my life to my job but you can be damn sure I don't half-ass it when I clock in, so there's no excuse for them to have done this for so long and still be terrible at it.
@@TrilogyIII_ so that's their fail safe defense at making terrible content. got it.
"The only people who care about Captain America, and I mean truly have a passion for the character, are either Stan Lee or dead." Well if that's not the most monstrously obtuse assumption I've ever heard, then I don't know what is. I mean, where did that even come from? Does the mere fact that you even know who Captain America is even begin to clue you into the fact that he might be a little more popular and revered than you might have initially thought?
Yeah what the hell.. I'm a movie enthusiast. And of all the superheros I love Cap the most! Not a comicbook reader. And this movie got som real hype early man.
the "130 countries signed it in in 3 days?" sin makes me think he assumes the resolution traveled all over the world instead of the UN just signing it immediately
But _obviously_ resolutions like that get sent around from country to country for everyone to look over sign and pass on. They also only have the one copy ;p
That added touch at the very end with no added commentary, just letting history speak for itself, mwah. That was such a delicious cherry on top of all this.
Conclusion: No Cinema Sins video is without sin
Mind blown!!!!
I love all the comments by fans saying it’s just satire and you shouldn’t take it seriously despite Bobvids gave substantial evidence that a number of the “jokes” CS makes are legitimate criticisms and how falling back on the “it’s just satire!” argument is disingenuous.
ivy87717 Not to mention bob brought up nitpicks that CS could've pointed out in their videos.
Emily Ostmeyer Nothing is without a sin
I think he's just relying on people to be smart enough to recognise that, like with most reviewers, he has human inconsistencies and failings, and that those actually interested in film on more than a superficial level are smart enough not to take his reviews as something one can point to as quantifiable proof of a particular movie being bad. You're like some prequels apologist criticising the Plinkett reviews for not 'encouraging' viewers to come to their own conclusions because of its didactic tone.
bob's only criticism of CS seems to be that either he isn't infallible or his popularity has resulted in a larger number of idiots in his audience who either think he is infallible or fear that he will be considered infallible by others, either because of the presentation and/or their stupidity. This is in itself asanine, and faintly condescending.
Just to address the 'Zemo knowing about the Sokovia accords' sin...he doesn't even need to know about them for his plan...
He requires Bucky getting captured, getting in to interrogate/brainwash Bucky (wherever he gets held) and then just acquiring the file and sending it to Tony or whatever dramatic reveal he initially planned. To get Bucky captured he didn't need to bomb the signing of the Sokovia accords, that is just the cherry on top, he could have bombed anywhere and framed Bucky. He'd probably have preferred to sneak into a normal police station in Bucharest...
The whole 'Civil War' could just be a happy coincidence that helps further the tension between Steve and Tony that makes his final move even better. Steve and Tony fighting would have been enough to split the Avengers, especially if one ended up murdering the other. This plan does not require planning the Avenger's fuck up at the beginning or causing a fight in an airport, the Avengers did that all themselves.
Arguably the Sokovia accords could have even hindered his plan if Tony and Steve had restrictions on them, potentially cutting Tony off from access to his suits and so on. Hell, Steve, Tony and Sam being present at Bucky's interrogation could have fucked his plan up completely, he'd probably prefer if they weren't there thanks to the accords. If anything this makes him a better villain. He has a good plan that can be changed on the fly and he is good at adapting to a developing situation such as Steve and Tony arriving at the silo and so on.
He obviously wasn't planning to wait in that sealed room for them at the end, unless he was planning to starve to death if they arrived a few days late, I didn't see a packed lunch in there...
Thomas Fisk well he had patience, remember
His original plan(I can't remember if theirs a timeframe) was just to get the info from that one Hydra officer. If he has spilled the location, Zemo would have avoided the bombing.
But because the guy didn't, Zemo had to pick an event to cause the most attention. The UN was a good one for so many reasons. Get's to Bucky to get the location.
Exactly. Zemo didn't need the Accords to exist. If he got the information from that Hydra Agent then he can immediately skip to the point where he gets the tapes, gets those tapes to Iron Man, and sets Iron Man off. The Accords allowed for things to only get worse and for his plan to be even more effective. But it doesn't require the Accords.
He has a strong overall plan. And he has the ability to adjust that plan depending on circumstances. That doesn't mean he has this super complicated plan. Just that he has the skills and knowledge to adjust his plan. Because he has the basic parts of the plan in mind. 1. Find out where those tapes are, 2. Get those tapes to Iron Man, 3. Sit back and watch.
I'm glad there are more people out there that realize this. All the reviews of the movie, while positive, felt the need to claim that Zemo's plan was overcomplicated, but for some reason they just assumed that everything that happened in the movie was part of Zemo's plan, which it wasn't. Also, while I wasn't a fan of BvS, I saw people doing similar things when complaining about Lex's plan in that movie. Just because a plan ultimately proves successful doesn't mean that everything leading up to that success was a part of the plan.
Well, Lex's plan is entirely different. Instead of being an intelligent planner who uses his resources carefully and constantly adapts to a changing situation, Lex is a bumbling idiot with infinite resources who has figured out everything and his plan revolves around unlikely hoods and things out of his control. Example, Batman stealing the kryptonite. Lex did not need that kryptonite, as he already had access to some for use in Zods dissection. And he needed Batman to fight Superman, so he must have known that Batman needed kryptonite. Yet he did absolutely nothing to prompt Batman to steal the kryptonite, as Bruce steals the data by himself, decodes it by himself, and uses that information to find out where the kryptonite is being transported, and lex somehow knows he’s done this even though it’s never shown that he found out the files were stolen. Whereas with Zemo all the events are irrelevant to his plan, with lex the events are crucial to his plan, and the fact that he is able to plan for things that he’s has knowledge of makes it completely unrealistic and unbelievable.
25:34 I actually think that HYDRA masked the winter soldier because they knew that Fury or Steve might recognise him in CA:TWS
That would make sense, especially if they expected Cap to show up.
Black Panther's suite is made out of vibranium which is able to absorb all kinetic energy. When the the bullet and explosive energy in Zemo's gun hit BP's suit it absorbed most of the energy.
Remember when Peggy shot Cap's shield in the first Cap movie? The bullets don't ricochet they stop dead and fall harmlessly to the floor.
she's mouthing "can you Believe it?"
TheJuggalo62587 I thought it was you didn't tell me that?
I think it's "can you believe that"
I'm not a lip reading expert or anything, but I think it's "It'll be fine". The last word is definitely fine because the space between f/v sound and the end of the word is too close to warrent another syllable ('lieve' 'it'). Plus she rolls her lip under her teeth too much for a V sound (although she could be exaggerating since she's not actually saying the words). As for the first two words, those two just seemed to work with the situatio so if anyone wants to change those, feel free.
The thing with lip reading is that it is very vague. Some words look exactly alike and others very similar.
Everyone tryna figure this out but am I the only one that clearly sees her saying "wtf"
14:58
Maybe those pauses were because he had to wait for each word in the sequence to “settle in” before moving on to the next word, otherwise, maybe it wouldn’t have taken effect.
I wish he read it like that, though.
JT Allen Or for the brainwashing to work, you have to say the words at specific times, for example: say word 1, wait 2 seconds, say word 2, wait 1 second, etc...
jjj7790 Admittedly, that actually be pretty funny.
Or, perhaps he was just being careful because he didn't want to get it wrong. He was glancing at Bucky during some of those pauses, and he was also previously shown practicing reading the code words in his hotel room.
Matthew St. Cyr That could very well be the case, too.
God this made me realize how lazy CinemaSins has gotten
Kelly Fulton Nah, he's always been nitpicking on the most idiotic nonsense. He acknowledges that himself, too.
血液 氷ASHES///SHARDS then what’s the point of him criticizing movies
The creators behind CinemaSins admit they’re assholes, they get off on not even nitpicking movies, they just sin anything for any reason because they lack cognitive thought.
ZambonieDude I can’t believe I even liked him before to begin with
Or always has been.
CS: "Use show, don't tell!"
also CS: "Noooo how dare you show us something instead of telling us!!1"
When falcon knocks the 2 guys down one of them gets up and he shoots them off the roof, so yeah it was 4 lol
which was one of the most realistic things ever in an action movie. Those guys barely got kicked, at least one of them needed to get the hell up.
Only way i was able to tell it was a different guy was cause of the scope on the gun, both guys he kicked didnt have scopes however the one that shoots him has an acog
Leonixster how is he so fast then cause he isn’t in the scene before so it has to be that
The way it's cut, I think it's impossible to tell. Either one of the guys gets up immediately, teleports and doesn't fire, or one of the guys does nothing for a few seconds and is just out of frame. Neither explanation really makes sense, but I guess it's not supposed to-it's just fast-paced action which is meant to look cool.
Flying Swordfish had to rewatch it multiple times with another friend to actually figure out what happened. My first analysis was wrong. The two guys he kicks, one has no scope and the other has an acog. The guy with the acog is the one to get back up and decided not to shoot😂
Please stop spoiling “real life.” I haven’t gotten to the end yet.
David Little SPOILER
Damn, if life was a book, immortality would suck.
Jonathan Salvador let me get you there
I mean, if you wanna peek at the last page...
For real, I'm only on the Paleozoic Era right now. I'm really loving these dinosaur characters so far, I hope they stick around for a while! :)
Isn't ironic to think that, after the letter in the end of the video, Jeremy posted a video talking about everything he hated about BvS after seeing it?
Vitor Buzzetti I couldn't find that vid. Could ya link it?
Just interested in seeing it.
Easton Gallegos ruclips.net/video/X5tSpgU96WY/видео.html
And their "ultimate edition" for some reason: ruclips.net/video/9ryPJTQmgT8/видео.html
I just can't believe he was that optimistic about BvS given what we knew before the release in terms of the production and trailers. Meanwhile both Cap movies had been better received by fans than Man of Steel which people were split over. Also Cap is my favourite avenger so screw that guy.
vanyadolly His logic wasn't based around how good the movie was, he straight up says that the movie could be a horrible fuck up.
14:58
I am pretty sure it was established in the movie that he was not very good at Russian.
So, his pauses between each word can be exused.
Also, it doesn't matter how fast he says it if Bucky can not understand him.
Actually, vibranium absorbs and dissipates all force, meaning the gun and his hand would have been completely fine. Heck, even the bullet wouldn't be damaged.
There was no vibranium in that scene though.
@@zingzaber6989
Yes there was.
Where?
@@zingzaber6989 iirc Black Panther's armor is entirely vibranium
daiselol
Ohhhhh, that scene 😶
I find it very realistic that a soldier would check out Black Widow's butt while walking behind her, that shouldn't be a nitpick, lol.
Who says it was BW's butt he was ogling? Maybe it was Cap's, who knows...
Agathe Dallaire because black widows arse is much nicer
I think Cap's nicer, but to each one their own.
Beryl Autumnramble then you are blind
Well, as it's Steve's ass the camera is admiring so much I think even the filmmarkers know which one sells better.^^
Oh god, the ending
The only thing missing from that was The Price Is Right fail horn.
Game Over, You lose
that line referring to CS's channel
To be fair, it seemed like this was before they announced Iron Man would be in it as well.
We knew that Captain America 3 would be Civil War since long before we knew about either movie's release date.
It may have been rumored, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't confirmed until some time after they both announced they were vying for the same date. I remember hearing several discussions after the conformation about how it now made sense that Marvel would think this film had a chance against Batman V Superman, whereas it seemed quite unrealistic before.
When cinema sins makes “actual” criticism, it is always something out of context
Fantastic video. I appreciate all the work that went into this and how restrained you were with some of the nonsense in their video. Well done, man.
Please make more of these. So good!
yeah
Seriously. I'd watch these over CinemaSins every time.
UltraSargent Why, half of his sins are just sinning the movie itself then calling it a “missed nitpick”. He should title the video “Everything cinemasins missed in Civil War”
bobvids is actually demonstrating what competent nit-picking is, you know, the kind that's actually informed and logical, and that technique of dismantling the utter bullshit that is cinemasins ignorance (willfull or otherwise) while doing what cinemasins is attempting to do but sooo much better, is the point of the whole video, showing CS incompetence on multiple levels
@Shero Zarr ch1ll
These videos are such quality. I used to enjoy Cinema Sins many years ago when their criticism was valid and their videos weren't artificially inflated for length to increase their watch time.
I totally agree. They were pretty funny when they started, but then they became obnoxious. Also, it's so funny I don't usually like to watch 15+ minute videos on RUclips, but I'm watching these from beginning till the end.
Esteban Álvarez guys, do you really think Jeremy is trying to pass off his videos as actual critiques? He has specifically stated that he is not a critic. They are just putting videos together for the sole purpose of comedy, and not EVERY sin is going to be valid, or well thought out, because they're not supposed to be.
jmangamer98 fully agree with this
I used to believe that, but watch the end of EWW EWW Age of Ultron. It's shown that many of the sins Jeremy says that were proven wrong were also in Jeremy's before and after series, where he honestly reviews films and gives his first impressions.
thank you
Not only can Captain America hold his breath long, he has an insane tolerance due to a high metabolism (if I remember correctly from the drinking scene in Captain America).
Just stumbled across this thanks to similar vids from Shaun and Jen's channel. This is a saving grace for my faith in humanity. Thanks man.
Holy shit, these are gratifying.
oh my god, these guys seemed to get NOTHING out of this movie, the whole Sikovia Accords thing only requires like base fucking level knowledge of power checks and UN regulations, it's a fucking marvel movie, it doesn't require a genius level IQ to understand.
-sunmask- To be fair...
to be fair of what?
17:26 she is quite obviously saying “can you believe that?”
I'm pretty sure that it's: "What the fuck" but hey I'm not a native speaker ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I thought she was saying itll be fun
I like how many people are all saying she’s “obviously” saying wildly different things.
"obvious" is a strong word. I personally can't lip-read to save my life. But I would concede that someone with a brain that has a mass over 2 ounces would probably infer just from the circumstances from the scene, and what TONY is saying, that Aunt May is excited and surprised. The video creator treats this like rocket science.
@@roachybill Is it valid? If it changes from person to person? Some people can't tell what she's mouthing. Other people who think they know what she's mouthing have different answers. Some people didn't notice her mouthing something in the first place, because Tony was talking.
I mean the purpose of this series of videos on CinemaSins is to point out how they make terrible critiques, while missing valid ones... and "what's Aunt May mouthing" has been proven by this comment chain to be completely subjective.. aka the kind of thing CinemaSins themselves counts as Sins. I find it a bizarre thing to point out as "a *real* flaw, that CS didn't catch"
4:25 I feel the need to point out, as someone who has lived in the actual Lagos in Nigeria, that the movie (and by extension you and CinemaSins) pronounced it wrong. It's not "Lah-gos", it's "Lay-gos". The scene where Cap says "Lah-gos" actually got a laugh out of the theater in Abuja where I saw it because of that, even though it wasn't a comedic scene.
Minor nitpick :v
this was actually killing me the whole video
I am very late, but I believe this was to avoid issues with Lego.
@@meowntown69 Really? I never would have thought of that, and I never even considered that they're pronounced the same way until you just brought that up. It'd be pretty petty if Lego did try to take some sort of action over the pronunciation, but it also wouldn't be the pettiest thing people have taken legal action over.
@@Antifrost but Lagos = lay-goss (the goss sound should rhyme with "boss") while Lego = leh-go or leg-oh... no part of the words are pronounced the same. not a single syllable rhymes or anything, what would the issue be?.
@@gothboithick This may be a difference in dialects, but I usually hear "Lego" pronounced "Lay-go" (which is also how "Leg-O" would be pronounced). That said, I doubt this was done to avoid issues with Lego since Lagos is a real city. The more likely explanation is that "Lah-gos" is what would normally come to mind for most Americans when seeing a word spelled "L-A-G-O-S" and the filmmakers probably didn't bother to check.
I need Cinema Sins to do a "Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong with Everything Wrong with Captain America: Civic War" video. It would be a civil Civil War war.
It would be half an hour of impotent whining.
J D Lesemajeste And while it would be a cool idea it simply can't be made because not only does Jeremy not care about this guy who's actually bringing out some legitimately good points and that's just it, this guy's bringing out some absolutely legitimately good points there's nothing more to say he makes a statement he shows his proof Jeremy makes a statement but shows no proof and if he does show the proof he completely misunderstands the proof the video would be completely one-sided.
That´s a job for a whole new channel
They would not be able to do that. Everything said in this video is true. The only way they could possibly do that is by meticulously deconstructing everything in this video, which would immediately remove the idea that this is """"""""""""""""""""satire"""""""""""""""""""". Oh wait, they already proved it's not satire when they started RETRACTING SINS.
BrickBuster2552 the retract sins over awesome fight scenes and dumb jokes, that was a stupid point to make
One of Cap's powers is that his brain processes information a lot faster than the typical person. This increases his reflexes but also allows him to quickly calculate the trajectory of his shield milliseconds before throwing it.
Another one is that he can't forget which is why he remembers the red head in the conversation when talking to the girl
"The reason thru are flirting over goddamn soup.."
WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY
"Magic beef boyscout"
OH MY GOD
Spider-Man's web shooters only fire when the middle and ring finger are down while all other fingers are out, creating a specific stress pattern in the tendons. They explain that in the old animated series and probably the comics.
In the comics they show how he depresses a pair of buttons on his palm with sufficient pressure to activate the web shooters.
20:55 Spider-man often lifts and punches things, so his web shooters were probably designed to only trigger at a specific level of pressure.
Not really "probably". It's canon in the comics and in other adaptations. But no point exlpaining that sort of thing until his own movie.
Not only that, in the comics they're designed to need some level of Super Strength to set off, so he doesn't accidentally fire them. He needs to push down on them pretty hard.
I'm weird and would actually enjoy a part in the new Spider-man movie that addresses how exactly his webshooters work
I just figured it would be some sort of rfid tech in his two fingertips that when both touch his palm it fires the web
Wall Staples The Comics had said that he needs to push down with a specific amount of pressure from those two fingers to make the web shooters work. It was done this way to explain why the web shooters didn't go off every time he did something like caught someone's fist or made his own fist. I'd imagine it would be possible to replicate that exact pressure occasionally but it would probably be pretty rare.
I couldn't ask for a better start to this weekend.
Thank you so much for making this!
I can’t beli they’re calling out Captain America’s SHEILD PHYSICS.
At what point did they forget this is a movie about SUPER HEROES?
"Missed nitpick" at 3:00. There were only two mercs on the roof. One of them got up, and was shot by Falcon. There weren't three guys there.
ok
Missed nitpick for your missed nitpick of my missed nitpick: If you watch that scene again you'll see the person Falcon shoots doesn't get up from being knocked down - he's already standing and turns around to look at Falcon after he drops in and kicks the 2 other mercs. Plus, Falcon had to be close to the other 2 mercs to kick them, but the third merc is too far away to physically take out, so Falcon opts to shoot him instead.
Mercenary ex machina!
I've rewatched that scene like a dozen times now and honestly I'm just trying to figure out: Where the fuck does that last soldier come from? It's a narrow area and during all the shots from the initial fly in until after he kicks the guy basically gives you views of the entire rooftop and he's not there. But at the same time the only way it's one of the guys he kicked is if they managed to somehow grab their gun and then get up before he even looks up.
Missed nitpick to your missed nitpick to their missed nitpick of your missed nitpick: The third merc is not there in the overhead shots. He's obviously a different person, but basically manifests out of nowhere for Falcon to shoot.
18:00 Less than two weeks it took him to make the Mk. 1, as per the conversation with Yinsen.
I believe aunt may way mouthing “It’ll be fun,”. It’s heavily implied that peter is kind of a loner who doesn’t go out to do much (As far as May is concerned)
And it been retro retcon that Pete was the kid with the iron man mask Tony saved in IM2. Added on civil war Peter was still dealing with Uncle Ben death. So Aunt May thought it would be nice for Pete to spend time with one of his role models.
I swear to god I thought she was mouthing “what the fuck”
17:28, I do believe Aunt May is saying,”Can’t believe it!”. I mean tony stark just pops outta no where saying that her nephew is apart of the Stark Foundation.
"If he's been hiding out here for the last couple years, more like BUCKYREST, amirite???"
"No."
That was my favorite part. XD
20:00 Hmmm... let us see... Perhaps he has a sensor in that button that can distinguish two fingers from a fist? Like, register the different type of pressure points?
And before saying this would be impossible: Remember that this is a film with 2 guys in Robo-suits, a AI with laser beams, flight and much, a guy with superhuman strength and a shield that can absorb and deflect any kind of (kinetic) energy, a guy that can grow and shrink, a girl with mental powers and not forget a guy with a robot-arm... So realism here can be a bit less imo.
I love every one of these. Have you ever considered just straight up doing movie reviews or video essays? I feel like you'd probably have a lot of interesting stuff to say and would be far more enertaining than like 90% of "film critics" on youtube.
7:15 - pretty much everyone does this nowadays. It's annoying to go to the theaters with most people because they'll find plot holes that aren't there. I blame cinemasins for brainwashing them with stupidity.
10:44 The way he pronounces "twelve" is 10-sins worthy, honestly.
tw*e*l've?
5:03 Falcon uses high tech military equipment. Black Widow runs around taking out heavily armored, fully trained soldiers, with her barehands...
It's nice that you are able to turn their YT revenue machine into something insightful, interesting and actually entertaining.
The "I hope one of X number of projects is preventing fires without asbestos" was gold!!
17:27 Aunt May appears to be mouthing "Can you believe it?" in reaction to Tony Stark being in their home.
@17:31Aunt May is mouthing “It’ll be fun.” Referring to the fake event he made up to take Peter along to Germany.
There’d be no reason to mouth that.
No. She’s mouthing “Can you believe that?”, referring to Tony Ironman Stark in their living room.
I thought she was mouthing “what the f***” myself. 🤣
I'm seeing a lot of people on Neogaf trying to use the "it's just for comedy!" defense....like you didn't already obliterate that defense point a few videos back already. Seems like people, at least some people, are still using the same defense for these guys.
The guy's aren't doing it for comedy. They're being serious. Anyone who listens to their material outside the show knows they make the same points there that they do in their shitty mainline videos. It's so ridiculous.
Keep up the good work, Kamoc. Your videos are sorely needed and hilarious.
"they should practice what they preach " that made me laugh so hard XD
On the subtitles provided by RUclips for this video, it says "Jeremy:" when Jeremy talks, "Bob:" when Bob talks, and so on. However, when Hawkeye talks at 18:08, the subtitles read: "Hot Guy:" I feel like Bob just put that in there on purpose, of he imported his own subtitles. +bobvids, please confirm cause that's just hilarious if it was intentional.
lol finally someone saw this
bobvids thats pretty hilarious. Also please keep these videos coming, I really enjoy them.
" I DON'T GET IT! WHY WOULD TONY BE MAD ABOUT WINTER SOLDIER KILLING HIS PARENTS IF HE KNEW HE WAS UNDER MIND CONTROL!? IT'S NOT LOGICAL!"
Um, because he killed his parents? I doubt any rational person would just be cool with their parents being murdered just because the murderer wasn't in complete control of their actions.
There's missing information when watching the movie, and then there is being this clueless about simple human empathy. It makes me feel like the Cinema Sins is some kinda of weird hipster robot built to ascertain RUclips views from gullible idiots.
ExtrematronYT so I disagree with you on this one. I think yes, you would be mad if someone killed your parents, but if you gave it clearer thought, and know that the killer was not in control you would only be mad at them for a short time. Then start to shift your blame to to people who did the mind controlling.
21:18 missed nitpick, scarlet witch got her powers from the mind stone, so she doesn't practice real magic like doctor strange
According to whom?
Baron von Strucker, in the Age of Ultron, used Loki's Scepter in his experiments on the twins to give them superpowers. As the scepter is the vessel for the mind stone, it could be inferred that the scarlet witch's powers are derived from the mind stone, and not real magic.
Then again, we don't know the details of the experiments. Maybe the mind stone was used on her to unlock an already strong talent for Magic.
tearak Considering the Sony/Disney business deal, this might actually pave the way to bringing mutants into the MCU. I can’t see them properly making the twins Magneto’s kids, but having an infinity stone unlock mutant abilities and have Scarlet Witch bridge the gap to bring the Xmen in would be neat. The Avengers are trying to understand Wanda’s powers, how they relate to the Mind stone aka Vision, and an explanation of “its more than radiation/exposure, its actually the X gene unlocked!” occurs. Then as with Wakanda, the Avengers learn despite being superheros there is a still a lot of super stuff the world barely knows about that they can still discover.
tearak Huh...I thought they were just Inhumans and that Von Strucker used one of those crystals from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 2 on them. I must've forgot about the whole Loki's Scepter thing.
ArtemisMoon12 Fox has the rights to the whole mutant thing, or at least had the rights. Seems Marvel is getting those back too now.
For the missed nitpick at 20:56
I'm assuming for the web shooters to go off, a very specific bit of pressure needs to be put on a very specific part of the glove and nowhere else, which is why they never go off when he makes a fist. I'm going based off of what was said in the 1994 series
"I make seven hostiles"
Falcon kicks two. One gets up and Falcon shoots him.
"I make five".
Seems legit to me. You might blame the editing, but I thought it was pretty clear.
Akray Bothorda Editing and continuity issues. The guy he shoots is wearing different web gear than either of the guys he kicked. Additionally the blocking is all wrong for it to be one of the two. It almost certainly was supposed to be just two guys, but they muddy the waters with the costuming and the blocking.
Plus, the shot of Falcon landing outs him on the opposite side of the roof from where he supposedly landed. That whole sequence is a mess, but it goes by quick enough that it doesn’t show too badly.