@@hyoxxii 100% I usually refer to it as the grey market. Which is a term I'm more familiar with. Anyways I've actually been shopping around for a 3RS and grey market prices are ludicrous. I came across 2-3 fairly close to me listed in between 480 - 580 ish thousand $ CAD. Which is stupid. Although it's either that or potentially have my local dealer tell me I'll need spend at least a million $ (probably more) tbh in cars that I don't want just to get the one I do want. Ahh, first world problems haha.
@@kevinkenny5663 It’s like EBay just for Cars. So people who got their Porsche Gt3 Rs can sell it to you through a car dealership which is not officially Porsche for example. But the problem is people sell it for double the price they paid themselves directly from Porsche. It’s like with a Rolex. You can buy it from Rolex directly but you gotta wait 2-3 years or you buy it from a watch dealer without a waiting list but you pay significantly more.
@@JesusIsAlphaOmega001 Because poor people who cant even buy any car, love to think people who buy expensive things, are fools and reckless with their money. Love to find flaws in others to justify their own lives.
@@leerblizzz4688you clearly don’t understand how supply and demand works if you bring it in situations like this. If less tomatoes are in market prices will go high, seems like that’s not the problem for the rich because people buy cars in $3M range. Even scarcity doesn’t fit here, why: Matt Watson recently waited for the same car for few months and he took it home few days back. He has never bought 10 Porsches not even 5 in his life.
Supply and demand, these vehicles are sold in very limited quantities so that it appreciates in value over time. And I’m sure there are hella richer and more connected people than that guy wanting to buy it. Like Jay Leno
Obviously, you probably never drove any Porsche and you don't understand a passion for perfection?? LOL. There's a reason they cost that much, have high demand and the resale value is astronomical.
True but in a sense they already got the lifetime value outta that guy. If they kept things 100 with him the chance of him buying 8 more cars from them was rather low and would likely take over a decade. Whereas here even if they burned the bridge they sold him more cars than he likely would’ve ever bought all at once
@@Noadvantage246 he bought 8 Porsches. The GT3RS is a great car, i would like to believe that from there on out he would of probably moved up to buy another Porsche either way, not a Macan or Cayenne but actually higher Models like the Turbo S or the GT2RS.
@@IReallyLikeCoffee Yeah but realize from a dealers perspective it’s better to sell more of the low end models because the high end ones are hard even for the dealers to get and will literally sell themselves
Whats going on here is that they are selling a desirable quality product that people actually want to buy. Price is no problem. The problem is there are only so many cars, and far too many millionaires.
@@captain_context9991 You missed the entire point of this comment. He was making reference to the fact that "Ferrari" has been using this exact sales technique for years, requiring people to buy several cars they don't want before they can get on the wait-list for the one they do want. Now you know.
@@dynomantar9733 No, no, no... This is mostly American BS and American myth and fairytale. Nobody is gonna "force you" to buy things you dont want. But this whole process is extremely difficult for Americans to understand... MANY THINGS are extremely difficult to explain to americans. Such as climate change, evolution and healthcare. And that their F-22 is a failure, and no... US police are NOT "highly trained"... I could go on and on. The thing Americans simply WILL NOT understand, is that if Ferrari are making 500 units, or 499, then that is a symbolic thing they have always done to always sell fewer cars than the demand. This is unthinkable for the American corporate structure. What, NOT selling a product to a paying customer?? Imagine if Ford really had bought Ferrari back in the 1960s. There would be entrylevel Ferraris based on Fords, the Italian link would be fazed out, and Ferrari would today be just a yellow sticker they put on "Premium" Fords. Which is all thats left of the Shelby name and logo. So... If they are making only 500, or even 1000 cars, but 5000 people WANT them, well then there arent going to be enough cars, are there. Its pretty simple math. So to be a "Prefieri" As Italians call it, you have to be a loyal customer of the brand. And have a great relationship with the dealership. Simple, isnt it. There is no specific list of stuff they "make you" buy. This is an American misconception. If the dealership doesn't like you, or thinks you are an unpleasant grifter, or think you just want to flip it for quick money, well then they are WELL within their rights to NOT sell you a god damn car. Ford did the same thing, actually even worse, with the Ford GT.
The client is a fool. As a self-made millionaire, I've learned to trust no-one, NO-ONE; always get in in writing, with break clauses, costs, timelines and penalties. If they won't give you that; just walk away.
Most of these dealers aren't even the real decision makers, the only thing they can do is be the one to call a client if someone is trying to sell theirs at a great deal. It's usually guys a bit higher up that choose who to allocate those special cars to.
@@daveam3r I'm not sure that's the case though, when you represent a brand as a franchise or whatever, there are certain things you must adhere to such as guidelines, the overall rules, certain aspects of their operations etc... otherwise their agreement with Porsche can be terminated regardless of if they're privately owned or not.
Never believe a dealer. Call head office and ask them. They will tell you which dealers can or still have allocation. I could get information without being a buyer, therefore a serious buyer will get proper information.
In today's new car market? Right now I'm attempting to purchase vehicles for A hedge fund manager Who is slipping vehicles past Whatever they have to be slipped past in China to be sold there. Sounds like a pretty easy job right? It's not.. I'm in Canada and I'm on the waiting list for the new land cruiser at every Toyota dealership from gander Newfoundland to Victoria british Columbia. And I even had to register with Toyota Canada.. But the second I tried to grab more than one. They're gonna slam the breaks on me I know it.
I've worked in the industry for over a decade and I'm in Canada not in the United States. I'm on a pre-registered list for the new land cruiser. I can't even give a deposit from. Gander Newfound to Victoria british Columbia. And I'm also registered with Toyota Canada. I need at least 5 extended Cadillac diesel escalades. And when a sales person hears I've got a couple 1000 bucks for deposit. The rest payable on Delivery. So thanks for clearing up serious for me.
when i want to find out about a product i go to the source. when i called my advent calendar company, i didnt call their african office, i called straight to germany. to the town/city they started. to the help centre of origin. not some outsourced partner who decides to use indian oursourced call service with a predetermined script. common sense.
@@jacobvanderhooft2188 yes and the dealer doesent get to pick the manufacturer TELLS them what they will stock on the floor even if its a model of a successfull line that no one wants the manufacturer uses the floorplan contract to offload bad vehicles onto the dealer the dealer then either has to try and flip those unwanted cars onto customers or getcustomers to buy extra cars like in the video just to recoup what there loosing on having a brown lamborghini with pink interior in stock yes this happens manufacturers give beyond zero fucks about the customers
It's the same at almost every other high end dealership. Say you have two douchebags. One buys a Porsche every year, often the top end with bells and whistles. Maybe he buys a couple extra for staff bonuses or his shitty kids. Then you have douchebag two. He has one Porsche that he trades in every other year, then buys a few lower end models. Douchebag one is giving Porsche a million a year, douchebag two is giving them 250k. They make 10 gt3's a year(no idea really but let's say). It's better to keep your extremely rich client happy every year rather than have a one off sale to make a guy happy. They sell products, this idiot bought them en masse.
Whats the lie? Just because people dont understand this, doesnt make this a lie. People who are porsche collectors. People that have been on a list for years.. THEY get to buy the cars first. If they only make 500 cars, then guess what, you arent on the list, then you arent on the list. Money is not the issue. They all got money.
Not sure where you getting the info from gt3 rs is not that limited you start with. This idiot is lying through his teeth, 10 cars and then finally no Guarantee. What will be next time 50 cars and still no guarantee?? Get out of here man if you really believe this BS.
@@JuanOne11 it's the dealership that's the problem while Porsche themselves will gladly take your money for sticker price and let you walk out with your dream
@@s..a893no one buys 8 cars during 2023 to get to an ordinary car like GT3 RS.. He is lying. 918 was special and the GT2rs was special but not 8 cars special
The problem is that Porsche only produces an extremely limited number of them each year. This means the car dealer gets the allocation from Porsche for 2-3 GT3s this year. The dealer now has to decide who he will sell it to. He has many long-term customers with countless purchases and then the person mentioned in the video comes forward who apparently has never bought a Porsche there. Of course, he first has to build up trust and loyalty, which countless other potential buyers have already done
The dealership finessed the shit outta him. I’m pretty sure u have to own a Porsche, Porsche watch and be a known client at your Porsche house. Then the chances are pretty high, that you can get one. What I don’t get is. A guy bought 8 Porsches instead of flying to Germany or contact a Porsche house in Germany and do business with them..
Bro was dumb. If this story is true at all. Its likely only half-true. Maybe he was a shady, grifting car flipper and they would rather sell the car to someone who is a friend of the dealership. There is more business in that.
Well, Ferrari’s don’t have the prestige a Porshe has, and also getting a Ferrari is not that much of a big deal if you have the money to spend. Owning a Porshe is not about having the money to afford it.
@@RA-fb5szFerrari is a more prestigious brand than Porsche, they're the most successful team in the pinnacle of motorsport racing, they have good amount victories at Le Mans as well. They don't cater into mass market products like Cayenne, Macan, Panamera, Taycan or Cayman/Boxster. And owning a Porsche literally requires lesser money than owning a Ferrari.
It's definitely true. Go to a dealer and try to buy a gt3 rs and see what happens. They probably won't even sell you a 911 turbo much less a gt3 rs as a first time walk in customer.
Shmee said something similar, which is why he switched to Ferrari. He still has to play the game, but Ferrari is clear and upfront with how to get there. They honor the promise of “buy this and we will let you buy this other car”.
Yet RUclipsrs like Matt Watson from Carwow, who has never purchased a brand new Porsche before, get a location and recently took delivery of he’s GT3 RS.
@@flatsix245true this is the kinda of stuff that only Ferrari does for the more limited edition. Didn't heard Porsche,Pagani,Bugatti,Koenigsegg,Lamborghini,Mclaren they don't do this.
CarWow is very famous and influential on RUclips. Companies don't wanna miss a big opportunity to Collab with a big social media influencer. The channel averages 1 million views per video....that is straight free marketing for any companies.
This is why you find an owner and offer them more than they paid. At least if they say yes, you actually get the car. No dealer BS. I’ve never bought from a dealer and I don’t think I will.
Biggest load of 💩 I've heard, 110 for 2 macans , 80 for the Cheyenne and say 200 for a couple of 911's......800k minimum for cars you don't even want 😂 NO CHANCE
800k to peasants like ourselves is mammoth money, but its chump change for more people than you could imagine. So much so. You've got people who will frivolously spend 10m on useless shit
This is probably the only reason I don't like the new GT3 RS. It's a stupid business practice. I wouldn't want to waste money on cars I didn't want just so I could get one specific one 🤦
I find this hard to believe. Just visited my first Porsche dealer with my nephew this weekend. I am not someone with the means to purchase a car from them. The sales rep was extremely polite and nice, showed us around and gave us a couple lanyards. So my first experience with Porsche was outstanding.
Similar story to the guy who was promised a Patek Phillipe Nautilus 5980/1R-001 if he built up a purchase history, over 18 months he purchased 3 watches and some jewellery, the promised Nautilus never arrived. The dealer kept stringing him along, when he bought the second watch the dealer knew they were loosing authorised dealer status and would not be able to deliver the promised watch, but that didn’t stop them from selling him a third watch and some jewellery.
They didn’t deny it. There’s specific allocation. Put your deposit down and if there’s enough for you, you’ll get it. If not get will refund the deposit. Can’t sell what you don’t have.
@@Whateverpoopiepants well yes I worded my sentence a bit wrong what I meant was surely they can't deny the purchase of a vehicle AFTER YOY TOLD THEM they can get that vehicle after they bought 8 others...
@@its_only_karma7440 Yes they absolutely can. Unless there was a written contract. The legal term is “ an offer to treat “. I’m not sure this story is even believable to be honest though. It sounds like podcast self promotion nonsense to me.
Porsche only want the “famous” & “noble” to own their RS models.. they’re by invitation only for a reason. It also keeps their RS models relevant & high in value.. seems they’re so hard to get hold of.. regardless if you have the money or not. RUclipsrs have purchased RS models.. and some of them are barely old enough to shave.. so buying 10 models is absolute nonsense & just a stalling tactic as the dealer tried to make the hurdle to get one so hard.. he ignorantly expected the guy to back down & he didn’t. RS models are their flagship vehicle.. the way Porsche see it.. the people that drive them.. carry Porsches best face of makeup.
@@neeravreddy9360 lol… so anyone that’s an “enthusiast” can just order a RS yeah?… 😂🤦🏽♂️ stop talking nonsense. You have to have a platform or be somebody that’s credible to even be considered.
@@neeravreddy9360 yeah.. right.. find me one client that’s not a credible figure that owns one buddy. Someone who doesn’t have “presence” .. rolling into Porsche expressing your love for cars with 300k in your pocket isn’t enough to buy one. The CEO said what he needed too on camera for “equality” reasons as being a blatant snob on camera is bad for the companies image & most definitely their stock price. The proof of what types of people get these cars isn’t who’s on the waiting list.. it’s who takes delivery of them.
This is completely BS story buddy LOL, my neighbor went to the Porsche dealer and purchased his first Porsche. Guess what, it was a fully speced GT3 RS. Whos the moron saying you need to be famous to buy a GT3 RS?? LMFAO Even if this story was true it would have nothing to do with Porsche as a manufacture, the dealer would be making the decision to have practices like this, so making claims about what Porsche values as a company based on how their dealer conduct imaginary business is dumb lol. ANYONE can go to any Porsche dealer and spec out a GT3 and they will get you one. Please, I implore you to call a dealer and see for yourself. You really think Porsche would decline 200k+ in hopes that they can get the customer to spend 750k? So what? Only the obscenely rich can buy the GT3 RS? What a moronic business practice. And even if this wasn't BS, why wouldn't you just go to a different dealer? Have some common sense lmao
I mean, he could’ve emailed a few other dealers…or even just find one a dealer already has due to someone backing out, that’s close to the spec he wanted. There’s always someone selling a brand new Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, ford GT, or whatever else around here, regardless of purchase agreements signed to obtain said cars. Always.
Jesus Christ what’s all this bullshit nowadays rolex won’t let u buy a watch from there shop long waiting list now Porsche doing exact same thing what we all should do is stop buying there cars and it will soon hurt these dealerships blackmailing customers
You can go into a Rolex shop and buy a Rolex rn. Last year my neighbor went to a Porsche dealership and bought his first Porsche, a GT3RS. This video is BS
@@autozone5695i have a feeling this video is BS. Gt3rs in essence and super special not like it was a one in 50 which i understand but gt3 rs is surely porches bread and butter
Marc Mccan tried to get one too, finnaly he realized its too dificult and expensive in the traditional way and flipped his Lamborghini Urus for a gt3 rs with a reseller.
This absolutely not a true story. Anyone with that kind of money would know the first rule of any transaction like this would be to have it all in writing.
It’s still hilarious to me that Porsche and Ferrari enthusiasts still fall for this scam. There is no actual “requirement” that you must buy any number of pre owned or low tier cars before you can buy what you want. There’s no customer loyalty tally board at stuttgart or Maranello saying “5 more to go!” Dealerships just have limited allocation and they will always make more off of used cars or volume sales, so they create that illusion and somehow rich people are stupid enough to fall for that scam😂
Same thing happened to me last year, walked into Porsche Nottingham to spec up a GT3RS with the Wissach package, then I get this jumped up tosser telling me I can’t just walk in off the street & spec one of these!!🤔 After 20 mins of him saying I had to buy cars & then sell gem back to them when trade in time came round I finally lost my shit with him, told him to FO & went & bought a plot of land & built 5 5 bed houses which made me a lot of profit!!👍
When I was a kid, our neighbour paid me to paint his porch out back. He gave me a bucket of brown paint and a brush and I went to work, though afterwards I had to let him know it was actually a mercedes, not a porch.
And THIS is why you get shit like this IN WRITING, and not just from DP personally, but from the dealership itself. Otherwise dealership may try to wiggle out of it.
When I hear someone say “We promise…” in a vehicle transaction, I want it in writing. If I was required to own 10 different vehicles prior, I would also want a qualification that states, “In the event that the promise cannot be fulfilled, all purchases made as a requirement will be refunded and the cars returned at the original agreed price”
This is why Tesla is lightyears ahead of everyone else. People can hate Tesla's all they want, but you can't deny that it's so much better to just buy the car directly from Tesla online and not have to deal with scummy dealerships.
saw a video yesterday of a guy proofing the car market (including porsche) is on a decline. he showed porsche listings on autotrader and the cars don't sell even after a few price reductions
Porsche have a lot of long time loyal buyers who will get priority. It’s after decades of ownership you earn the right to drive a limited run model, so that not just any upstart can have one.
This is ridiculous. I love Porsche but dealers are the shame of the whole Company. I guess allocation should go through a lottery process, or through a driving course endorsement, as most of this car are staying in the dealer with huge markup, which is a shame.
If he has enough money to just buy a handful of cars just to get a GT3RS, he should be able to a) buy a scalped build slot orrr... b) have sufficient legal representation at his disposal to put some heavy pressure on the dealer for leading him down this road of buying so many cars without the pay off his given assurance of...
I bought 12 x 911's over the space of 5 years, I wanted a GT3.. They didn't give me an allocation, so I asked them to call me soon as they had a GT3 in stock second hand.. they never called me when they had 3 unsold in stock, I stopped buying Porsches for that reason but they was always happy to take my money and over charge me for service and repairs.
Just looked up used 911s for sale in my country and found an almost unused -23 GT3 RS for about 3.3mil SEK (250k GBP / 310k USD). If I wanted this car and could afford it, I'd go this route instead of groveling before the feet of a greedy car dealer
If you have the money to buy 8 Porsches , you have the money to pay the $200k over sticker for GT3 RS and just get it over with. Plus, it would’ve been A LOT cheaper 😂
That’s an insane story if true. Also would have been a lot easier to just pay the extra 100-200k and buy second hand from an exotic car dealer. Don’t get to spec it yourself. but still better than buying 8 other cars you don’t need
It is quite common with Porsche dealers in the UK. It's actually a lot easier to pay the extra amount as markup for a preowned car and this amount will be about the same that's lost due to the depreciation of those interim cars, also the owner doesn't have to wait 5-6 months or sometimes 1-2 years to take delivery of the car but they do have the luxury of choosing what they want and sometimes that does dictate the resale value of the car.
Exactly what Rolex and AP does..this is why there’s a booming market of people selling allocations and vehicles with massive markups. Such a shady, shitty tactic.
Einen GT3RS bekommst Du nur wenn Du schon langjähriger Kunde bist und GTs hattest. Dann wirst Du informiert und kommst auf eine Warteliste. Desweiteren muss der Wagen über Porsche finanziert werden damit er nicht frühzeitig verkauft werden kann und zum Spekulationsobjekt wird.
Bruh I doubt every single damn Porsche dealership is like this, if it was really that way, then Porsche would be just like Ferrari with their Cease and Desist or whatever the hell note is called.
This didn’t happen, they want to sell cars to people who are not going to flip them. They want them to buy and trade a few cars, but in the end the GT car will be worth more than your total investment.
How exactly? At least with Ferrari, they allocate a car after having bought so many cars from them. Porsche just screws their vip customers by selling the car to whoever pays a huge dealer markup.
They manipulated him into buying their products.
Nah that’s just straight up lying no manipulation there
Please dont feel sorry for the write offs smh
@@moneymikeslickwill8749 write-offs still cost money, but instead of giving it to the tax guy you get to buy nice stuff with it
You think so?
really? You sure about that?
My heart bleeds for him, all those porches he didn’t even want. Hope he’s ok
thats not how u spell porsche, its also not how u say it
@@MH-kc5jr typed it in a hurry dude, my bad.
@@JimLadBossManim also sorry, didnt want to sound mean.
Here we see a rare instance of a very civilized interaction between what seems to be two strangers on the internet. Truly amazing stuff.
@@VdrienC lmao, amazing indeed
Dude coulda used that money he spent on those cars to get one off the secondary market … lmaoo
You think there’s a secondary market for that car lmao?
@@hyoxxii 100% I usually refer to it as the grey market. Which is a term I'm more familiar with. Anyways I've actually been shopping around for a 3RS and grey market prices are ludicrous. I came across 2-3 fairly close to me listed in between 480 - 580 ish thousand $ CAD. Which is stupid. Although it's either that or potentially have my local dealer tell me I'll need spend at least a million $ (probably more) tbh in cars that I don't want just to get the one I do want. Ahh, first world problems haha.
What is the secondary market
@@kevinkenny5663 It’s like EBay just for Cars. So people who got their Porsche Gt3 Rs can sell it to you through a car dealership which is not officially Porsche for example. But the problem is people sell it for double the price they paid themselves directly from Porsche.
It’s like with a Rolex. You can buy it from Rolex directly but you gotta wait 2-3 years or you buy it from a watch dealer without a waiting list but you pay significantly more.
@@hyoxxiii live in the US and they have them for sale second hand with barrly any miles
Sounds like a Rolex dealer 😂
Ferrari dealer too 😂
Exactly. Screw all three of those brands
Rolex dictator
So, if I want to buy Turbo S. Are they gonna give me or scam me and make me buy 10 more Porsches
다른 나라도 똑같구나..진절머리가 난다 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
'A fool and his money are easily parted' literally in action.
It probably wasn't his money, but lots of loans. He's in loads of debt now and is also watching all his Porsches plummeting in value.
This is bombastic. But I like bold ideas. What makes you say he bought the vehicles via debt?
What makes you say he didn't??@@JesusIsAlphaOmega001
@@nickdoughty518
I guess he is stupid then. Because this is not how you buy a rare car. This guy here is a grifter and a buIIshltter
@@JesusIsAlphaOmega001
Because poor people who cant even buy any car, love to think people who buy expensive things, are fools and reckless with their money. Love to find flaws in others to justify their own lives.
The world has gone nuts…. You earn your money but can’t spend it on what you want !
Do you understand how supply and demand work?
Do you understand how limited editions work?
The problem is you. You can’t be that desperate for your own money.
@@leerblizzz4688you clearly don’t understand how supply and demand works if you bring it in situations like this. If less tomatoes are in market prices will go high, seems like that’s not the problem for the rich because people buy cars in $3M range.
Even scarcity doesn’t fit here, why:
Matt Watson recently waited for the same car for few months and he took it home few days back. He has never bought 10 Porsches not even 5 in his life.
Supply and demand, these vehicles are sold in very limited quantities so that it appreciates in value over time. And I’m sure there are hella richer and more connected people than that guy wanting to buy it. Like Jay Leno
Man could've bought both the gt3 & gt3 rs on the grey market
at a heavy premium.... and still couldnt spec
ugly cars, all Porsche look ugly.
Porsche is pulling a Chevy and not allowing resell within the 1st year
@@702TifosiGamblerthats only fir the 911 s/t
@@thepro08People sell their allocations all the time.. you can spec it how you’d like
Who the fuck would buy a Porsche after being told “you have to buy more if you want *that one”*
Obviously, you probably never drove any Porsche and you don't understand a passion for perfection?? LOL. There's a reason they cost that much, have high demand and the resale value is astronomical.
@@gorylatkoThere's other brend cars on the market that are as good as Porsche lol. Ahhh Porsche fans are something else.
@@zerexxx2nope. Literally nothing as good as them
@@zerexxx2all you need to do is see what people and auto journalists are saying about the new GT3RS or 911 S/T
@@jacobvanderhooft2188 Yeah and you need to accept that not everyone on this planet find these the best cars of all time 😅
This is how you lose good customers guys, don’t be that dealer
True but in a sense they already got the lifetime value outta that guy. If they kept things 100 with him the chance of him buying 8 more cars from them was rather low and would likely take over a decade. Whereas here even if they burned the bridge they sold him more cars than he likely would’ve ever bought all at once
@@Noadvantage246 he bought 8 Porsches. The GT3RS is a great car, i would like to believe that from there on out he would of probably moved up to buy another Porsche either way, not a Macan or Cayenne but actually higher Models like the Turbo S or the GT2RS.
@@IReallyLikeCoffee Yeah but realize from a dealers perspective it’s better to sell more of the low end models because the high end ones are hard even for the dealers to get and will literally sell themselves
@@Noadvantage246
If this story is even true. Its likely only half-true at most.
@@Noadvantage246Idiot should have made the dealer draft a legally binding contract
What in Ferrari is going on here?
Best comment! 🎖
Whats going on here is that they are selling a desirable quality product that people actually want to buy. Price is no problem. The problem is there are only so many cars, and far too many millionaires.
its some Rolex shit
@@captain_context9991 You missed the entire point of this comment. He was making reference to the fact that "Ferrari" has been using this exact sales technique for years, requiring people to buy several cars they don't want before they can get on the wait-list for the one they do want.
Now you know.
@@dynomantar9733
No, no, no... This is mostly American BS and American myth and fairytale. Nobody is gonna "force you" to buy things you dont want. But this whole process is extremely difficult for Americans to understand... MANY THINGS are extremely difficult to explain to americans. Such as climate change, evolution and healthcare. And that their F-22 is a failure, and no... US police are NOT "highly trained"... I could go on and on.
The thing Americans simply WILL NOT understand, is that if Ferrari are making 500 units, or 499, then that is a symbolic thing they have always done to always sell fewer cars than the demand. This is unthinkable for the American corporate structure. What, NOT selling a product to a paying customer??
Imagine if Ford really had bought Ferrari back in the 1960s. There would be entrylevel Ferraris based on Fords, the Italian link would be fazed out, and Ferrari would today be just a yellow sticker they put on "Premium" Fords. Which is all thats left of the Shelby name and logo.
So... If they are making only 500, or even 1000 cars, but 5000 people WANT them, well then there arent going to be enough cars, are there. Its pretty simple math. So to be a "Prefieri" As Italians call it, you have to be a loyal customer of the brand. And have a great relationship with the dealership.
Simple, isnt it. There is no specific list of stuff they "make you" buy. This is an American misconception. If the dealership doesn't like you, or thinks you are an unpleasant grifter, or think you just want to flip it for quick money, well then they are WELL within their rights to NOT sell you a god damn car.
Ford did the same thing, actually even worse, with the Ford GT.
The client is a fool.
As a self-made millionaire, I've learned to trust no-one, NO-ONE; always get in in writing, with break clauses, costs, timelines and penalties. If they won't give you that; just walk away.
Fair
Most of these dealers aren't even the real decision makers, the only thing they can do is be the one to call a client if someone is trying to sell theirs at a great deal. It's usually guys a bit higher up that choose who to allocate those special cars to.
You r a self made millionaire?? What you do?
@@daveam3r I'm not sure that's the case though, when you represent a brand as a franchise or whatever, there are certain things you must adhere to such as guidelines, the overall rules, certain aspects of their operations etc... otherwise their agreement with Porsche can be terminated regardless of if they're privately owned or not.
Lend me some money you rich MF’er.
Never believe a dealer. Call head office and ask them. They will tell you which dealers can or still have allocation. I could get information without being a buyer, therefore a serious buyer will get proper information.
In today's new car market? Right now I'm attempting to purchase vehicles for A hedge fund manager Who is slipping vehicles past Whatever they have to be slipped past in China to be sold there. Sounds like a pretty easy job right? It's not.. I'm in Canada and I'm on the waiting list for the new land cruiser at every Toyota dealership from gander Newfoundland to Victoria british Columbia. And I even had to register with Toyota Canada.. But the second I tried to grab more than one. They're gonna slam the breaks on me I know it.
@@kevinkenny5663waiting list for a Toyota!!!!! 😂
I've worked in the industry for over a decade and I'm in Canada not in the United States. I'm on a pre-registered list for the new land cruiser. I can't even give a deposit from.
Gander Newfound to Victoria british Columbia.
And I'm also registered with Toyota Canada. I need at least 5 extended Cadillac diesel escalades. And when a sales person hears I've got a couple 1000 bucks for deposit.
The rest payable on Delivery. So thanks for clearing up serious for me.
And I love how you think you can call head office and talk to the boss.
when i want to find out about a product i go to the source. when i called my advent calendar company, i didnt call their african office, i called straight to germany. to the town/city they started. to the help centre of origin. not some outsourced partner who decides to use indian oursourced call service with a predetermined script. common sense.
Porsche would never stand by this and if they knew the dealer there would be repercussions
you think they care?
porsche are the ones who forced the dealer to keep all those less desirable cars in stock as part of there floorplan
@@Sarge92bro what?? The lower models are the ones that sell. Of course they’d have Macans and cayennes there, that’s what sells the most
@@jacobvanderhooft2188 yes and the dealer doesent get to pick the manufacturer TELLS them what they will stock on the floor even if its a model of a successfull line that no one wants the manufacturer uses the floorplan contract to offload bad vehicles onto the dealer
the dealer then either has to try and flip those unwanted cars onto customers or getcustomers to buy extra cars like in the video just to recoup what there loosing on having a brown lamborghini with pink interior in stock
yes this happens
manufacturers give beyond zero fucks about the customers
It's the same at almost every other high end dealership. Say you have two douchebags. One buys a Porsche every year, often the top end with bells and whistles. Maybe he buys a couple extra for staff bonuses or his shitty kids. Then you have douchebag two. He has one Porsche that he trades in every other year, then buys a few lower end models. Douchebag one is giving Porsche a million a year, douchebag two is giving them 250k. They make 10 gt3's a year(no idea really but let's say). It's better to keep your extremely rich client happy every year rather than have a one off sale to make a guy happy. They sell products, this idiot bought them en masse.
@@utubesuxalotofazzYou can order a custom spec GT3 RS online. You don’t need to buy a single Porsche leading up to that sale.
Hit my man with the “Bold Faced Lie” gambit
Truuu
Exactly. This guy is so full of shit. I bought my gt3rs specked it and had it in 4 months. This is probably the worst lie I have ever heard.
Whats the lie? Just because people dont understand this, doesnt make this a lie.
People who are porsche collectors. People that have been on a list for years.. THEY get to buy the cars first. If they only make 500 cars, then guess what, you arent on the list, then you arent on the list. Money is not the issue. They all got money.
Not sure where you getting the info from gt3 rs is not that limited you start with. This idiot is lying through his teeth, 10 cars and then finally no Guarantee. What will be next time 50 cars and still no guarantee?? Get out of here man if you really believe this BS.
@@captain_context9991but gt3rs ain't exclusive, idk if it's america thing but any other country u can walk in and buy one
Porsche would never do that. Their cars can't be like a reward from a mission in a game.
Their dealerships do that!
@@JuanOne11 it's the dealership that's the problem while Porsche themselves will gladly take your money for sticker price and let you walk out with your dream
Smart enough to earn enough to buy a bunch of very expensive cars he didn’t want, to be out smarted by a simple salesman. Irony at its finest.
Crazy how everybody can be on podcasts talking shit nowadays
Yeah, it's not like guys actually run a supercar/luxury car dealership or anything... What'd they know about this market, eh?
He’s telling the truth…if you have ever enquired about a GT car you will be told this by a dealer. Its common knowledge
@@s..a893unfortunately more than you…what he says is true
@@glennpearson4699 lol I was being sarcastic 😅 appreciate it doesn't always translate into text
@@s..a893no one buys 8 cars during 2023 to get to an ordinary car like GT3 RS.. He is lying. 918 was special and the GT2rs was special but not 8 cars special
NEXT UP ON: NEVER HAPPENED… this guy 😂
Rolex does the same shit
Ferrari, too. Even Ford had an application process that favored current and previous owners of the GT.
it happens
Yeah it's a load of shit, have a family friend that owns one and never had to buy 10 prior
@@michaelomglolwell I have a family friend that did… for a gt2rs
The dealership hustled that guy hard. Never take a salesperson at their word, always get it in writing with a signature.
The problem is that Porsche only produces an extremely limited number of them each year. This means the car dealer gets the allocation from Porsche for 2-3 GT3s this year. The dealer now has to decide who he will sell it to. He has many long-term customers with countless purchases and then the person mentioned in the video comes forward who apparently has never bought a Porsche there. Of course, he first has to build up trust and loyalty, which countless other potential buyers have already done
It just persuades from buying them in dealers so they will just buy a used one
Porsche would've never done that...
Porsche not, but the dealership. They get an allocation of how many GT3 RS they can sell and can then decide on their own who they sell it to.
No it’s true. Porsche are snobby arseholes
Rolex does the same shit
Right… The problem is the American car dealer system. Too much power is in the dealers hands.
The dealership finessed the shit outta him. I’m pretty sure u have to own a Porsche, Porsche watch and be a known client at your Porsche house.
Then the chances are pretty high, that you can get one.
What I don’t get is. A guy bought 8 Porsches instead of flying to Germany or contact a Porsche house in Germany and do business with them..
Bro got finessed
Bro was dumb. If this story is true at all. Its likely only half-true. Maybe he was a shady, grifting car flipper and they would rather sell the car to someone who is a friend of the dealership. There is more business in that.
If he said Ferrari it would have been more believeable
Well, Ferrari’s don’t have the prestige a Porshe has, and also getting a Ferrari is not that much of a big deal if you have the money to spend. Owning a Porshe is not about having the money to afford it.
@@RA-fb5szFerrari is a more prestigious brand than Porsche, they're the most successful team in the pinnacle of motorsport racing, they have good amount victories at Le Mans as well. They don't cater into mass market products like Cayenne, Macan, Panamera, Taycan or Cayman/Boxster. And owning a Porsche literally requires lesser money than owning a Ferrari.
This is still believable, plenty of stories about Porsche dealership making such demands.
It's definitely true. Go to a dealer and try to buy a gt3 rs and see what happens. They probably won't even sell you a 911 turbo much less a gt3 rs as a first time walk in customer.
This is true!
Shmee said something similar, which is why he switched to Ferrari. He still has to play the game, but Ferrari is clear and upfront with how to get there. They honor the promise of “buy this and we will let you buy this other car”.
On top of that Ferrari dealers don't charge a markup.
Them crooks at Rolex pull this sht off with watches, but to go from 5k-20k watches to 70k 150k cars should be considered a crime.
$5-20k is a lot of money for most people, should be a crime as well
Not even that. You have to apply for a watch. Maybe in 3 years they will call you back.
Yet RUclipsrs like Matt Watson from Carwow, who has never purchased a brand new Porsche before, get a location and recently took delivery of he’s GT3 RS.
That guy is so annoying aswell
Complete BS.
@@flatsix245true this is the kinda of stuff that only Ferrari does for the more limited edition.
Didn't heard Porsche,Pagani,Bugatti,Koenigsegg,Lamborghini,Mclaren they don't do this.
@batuhan4002 it's doesn't make sense who they think they're God
CarWow is very famous and influential on RUclips. Companies don't wanna miss a big opportunity to Collab with a big social media influencer. The channel averages 1 million views per video....that is straight free marketing for any companies.
This is why you find an owner and offer them more than they paid. At least if they say yes, you actually get the car. No dealer BS. I’ve never bought from a dealer and I don’t think I will.
How to get a Lawsuit and lose a rich customer in one easy step
Lawsuit? What would they sue for. Its not like they scammed the person. He was dumb. Thats it.
Conditio sine qua non test
All of Porsche’s customers are rich. They don’t give a damn about that guy
@@captain_context9991mutual agreement which was broken. He can sue
If they got it in writing then yeah there's a suit. Else no chance
Biggest load of 💩 I've heard, 110 for 2 macans , 80 for the Cheyenne and say 200 for a couple of 911's......800k minimum for cars you don't even want 😂 NO CHANCE
Lool this guy sounds like he is talking out of his phat seams. Noone would spend a million to get disrespected like that
If you are loaded and want a gt3 its possible. Because you can literally tax write off most of the cars as a business expense
If you have 50m and/or a business 800K is nothing.
800k to peasants like ourselves is mammoth money, but its chump change for more people than you could imagine. So much so. You've got people who will frivolously spend 10m on useless shit
The world has gone crazy😂
It’s crazy how different Porsche is today compared to the company they were in the 90’s. In 1993 they only sold 3700 cars total
This is probably the only reason I don't like the new GT3 RS. It's a stupid business practice. I wouldn't want to waste money on cars I didn't want just so I could get one specific one 🤦
It's just like Ferrari
Thats how they keep their prices high,same as Rolex
Fools and money easily parted.
Thats how they keep the prices high? HOW does this keep the prices high?
@@captain_context9991 because people still buy the cars at astronomical prices....
Then theres matt watson getting one on finance 😅
😂 first person I thought of
I find this hard to believe. Just visited my first Porsche dealer with my nephew this weekend. I am not someone with the means to purchase a car from them. The sales rep was extremely polite and nice, showed us around and gave us a couple lanyards. So my first experience with Porsche was outstanding.
Similar story to the guy who was promised a Patek Phillipe Nautilus 5980/1R-001 if he built up a purchase history, over 18 months he purchased 3 watches and some jewellery, the promised Nautilus never arrived. The dealer kept stringing him along, when he bought the second watch the dealer knew they were loosing authorised dealer status and would not be able to deliver the promised watch, but that didn’t stop them from selling him a third watch and some jewellery.
That's surely a lawsuit waiting to happen a dealer can't deny the purchase of a vehicle...unless you're like hella sketchy
They didn’t deny it. There’s specific allocation. Put your deposit down and if there’s enough for you, you’ll get it. If not get will refund the deposit. Can’t sell what you don’t have.
They can deny and purchase at any time.
You’ve clearly not got a clue how retail works 😂
@@Whateverpoopiepants well yes I worded my sentence a bit wrong what I meant was surely they can't deny the purchase of a vehicle AFTER YOY TOLD THEM they can get that vehicle after they bought 8 others...
@@its_only_karma7440
Yes they absolutely can.
Unless there was a written contract.
The legal term is “ an offer to treat “.
I’m not sure this story is even believable to be honest though. It sounds like podcast self promotion nonsense to me.
@@Whateverpoopiepants yeah fr ,,,see i didn't know they could do that
...I'd be pissed if it were to happen
You just said he needed to buy at least 10, but only bought 8....
Porsche are the Rolex of automotive industrie.
The morale of the story is to not support such companies...there are other car manufacturers...its that easy.
‘A fool and his money are easily parted ‘
Porsche only want the “famous” & “noble” to own their RS models.. they’re by invitation only for a reason. It also keeps their RS models relevant & high in value.. seems they’re so hard to get hold of.. regardless if you have the money or not. RUclipsrs have purchased RS models.. and some of them are barely old enough to shave.. so buying 10 models is absolute nonsense & just a stalling tactic as the dealer tried to make the hurdle to get one so hard.. he ignorantly expected the guy to back down & he didn’t. RS models are their flagship vehicle.. the way Porsche see it.. the people that drive them.. carry Porsches best face of makeup.
Not true. Quite the opposite. They want enthusiasts to own their cars. Even said by the ceo himself.
@@neeravreddy9360 lol… so anyone that’s an “enthusiast” can just order a RS yeah?… 😂🤦🏽♂️ stop talking nonsense. You have to have a platform or be somebody that’s credible to even be considered.
@@viiviqa no BUT they usually are more of a priority
@@neeravreddy9360 yeah.. right.. find me one client that’s not a credible figure that owns one buddy. Someone who doesn’t have “presence” .. rolling into Porsche expressing your love for cars with 300k in your pocket isn’t enough to buy one. The CEO said what he needed too on camera for “equality” reasons as being a blatant snob on camera is bad for the companies image & most definitely their stock price. The proof of what types of people get these cars isn’t who’s on the waiting list.. it’s who takes delivery of them.
This is completely BS story buddy LOL, my neighbor went to the Porsche dealer and purchased his first Porsche. Guess what, it was a fully speced GT3 RS. Whos the moron saying you need to be famous to buy a GT3 RS?? LMFAO
Even if this story was true it would have nothing to do with Porsche as a manufacture, the dealer would be making the decision to have practices like this, so making claims about what Porsche values as a company based on how their dealer conduct imaginary business is dumb lol.
ANYONE can go to any Porsche dealer and spec out a GT3 and they will get you one.
Please, I implore you to call a dealer and see for yourself.
You really think Porsche would decline 200k+ in hopes that they can get the customer to spend 750k? So what? Only the obscenely rich can buy the GT3 RS? What a moronic business practice.
And even if this wasn't BS, why wouldn't you just go to a different dealer?
Have some common sense lmao
I mean, he could’ve emailed a few other dealers…or even just find one a dealer already has due to someone backing out, that’s close to the spec he wanted. There’s always someone selling a brand new Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, ford GT, or whatever else around here, regardless of purchase agreements signed to obtain said cars. Always.
Scummy sales people are even at Porsche dealerships. The dude forgot to mention the second part at the start, so the guy will buy more stuff
Jesus Christ what’s all this bullshit nowadays rolex won’t let u buy a watch from there shop long waiting list now Porsche doing exact same thing what we all should do is stop buying there cars and it will soon hurt these dealerships blackmailing customers
Please don’t blaspheme the name of my God
Sorry
You can go into a Rolex shop and buy a Rolex rn. Last year my neighbor went to a Porsche dealership and bought his first Porsche, a GT3RS. This video is BS
@@autozone5695i have a feeling this video is BS. Gt3rs in essence and super special not like it was a one in 50 which i understand but gt3 rs is surely porches bread and butter
The seams on his H&M suit are hanging on for dear life
lol
These are some amazing opportunities for legal lawsuits against dealers and Porsche brand for unfairly misleading claims
I have a guy in my town that owns a 3rs, we live in a very small town. He is the coolest guy around fs.
I don't need to buy one, i drive them off the vessel's 😂
Wym?
@@thesnowman2509 I work at the docks I drive those off the vessels before the dealership even gets to see / work on them.
Then just wait a year and buy it used simple
Impatience. But more likely wanting to show off in the latest model. Euro lottery winner maybe? Not the way a self made rich person usually behaves.
This is absolutely BS! That dealership or salesperson should be taken to court.
As the dealer if this customer buys 8 cars. Best believe I'm doing everything possible to get that man the car.
He should buy the dealership and fire that guy!
That’s how you keep demand and hype
could you imagine the guy saying to the dealership: dude, Im racing your porsche 911.2 RSR GTE on track...
Marc Mccan tried to get one too, finnaly he realized its too dificult and expensive in the traditional way and flipped his Lamborghini Urus for a gt3 rs with a reseller.
The fact you can’t just walk in and buy one if you have the money is frankly disgraceful.
Supply and Demand can be a bitch
Ever heard of limited supply?
That's the reason they're sort after.
Like super models, if we all had them they wouldn't be special.
Madness!😂
This absolutely not a true story. Anyone with that kind of money would know the first rule of any transaction like this would be to have it all in writing.
It’s still hilarious to me that Porsche and Ferrari enthusiasts still fall for this scam. There is no actual “requirement” that you must buy any number of pre owned or low tier cars before you can buy what you want. There’s no customer loyalty tally board at stuttgart or Maranello saying “5 more to go!” Dealerships just have limited allocation and they will always make more off of used cars or volume sales, so they create that illusion and somehow rich people are stupid enough to fall for that scam😂
almost like you can just buy a used older one
Tell me you know shit about cars without telling me you know shit about cars
He wants a 992 tho, they're a massive step up from 991
@@rtreyk no it's only 1 up :)
Same thing happened to me last year, walked into Porsche Nottingham to spec up a GT3RS with the Wissach package, then I get this jumped up tosser telling me I can’t just walk in off the street & spec one of these!!🤔
After 20 mins of him saying I had to buy cars & then sell gem back to them when trade in time came round I finally lost my shit with him, told him to FO & went & bought a plot of land & built 5 5 bed houses which made me a lot of profit!!👍
And this dude is lying
Nope
Could have bought one with delivery miles on the secondary market. Screw the dealers that screw the customers.
I'd feel sorry for him....but he can afford 8 brand new Porsches....so nah😂
Before Covid, I only had to buy 9 Porsches I didn’t want to get the one I never got.
When I was a kid, our neighbour paid me to paint his porch out back. He gave me a bucket of brown paint and a brush and I went to work, though afterwards I had to let him know it was actually a mercedes, not a porch.
At least his staff were happy 😂
Porsche requirements for a low horsepower carbon fiber sports luxury car is crazy😂
And THIS is why you get shit like this IN WRITING, and not just from DP personally, but from the dealership itself. Otherwise dealership may try to wiggle out of it.
When I hear someone say “We promise…” in a vehicle transaction, I want it in writing. If I was required to own 10 different vehicles prior, I would also want a qualification that states, “In the event that the promise cannot be fulfilled, all purchases made as a requirement will be refunded and the cars returned at the original agreed price”
I’ve taken the gt3rs on the track, best advice is to save all those thousands and just have a weekend of fun taking one out.
I know a motorcycle dealer in San Francisco that had to buy Triumph Rocket 3's in order to get Speed Triples. The Rocket 3 is in NO WAY a City Bike.
This is why Tesla is lightyears ahead of everyone else. People can hate Tesla's all they want, but you can't deny that it's so much better to just buy the car directly from Tesla online and not have to deal with scummy dealerships.
saw a video yesterday of a guy proofing the car market (including porsche) is on a decline. he showed porsche listings on autotrader and the cars don't sell even after a few price reductions
ONLY reason Porsche did this to him maybe this people brought car and didn't drive and sell on
Not surprised one bit. Know multiple people where Porsche told them to buy this and that just for GT3 allocation let alone an RS.
Ive got a client too. Names santa Claus 😂😂😂😂
I deal with luxury watchers and hearing this the Porsche dealer is even worst than the Rolex AD....
Greatest salesman ive heard of. Thats fucking epic if true.
Porsche have a lot of long time loyal buyers who will get priority. It’s after decades of ownership you earn the right to drive a limited run model, so that not just any upstart can have one.
This is ridiculous. I love Porsche but dealers are the shame of the whole
Company. I guess allocation should go through a lottery process, or through a driving course endorsement, as most of this car are staying in the dealer with huge markup, which is a shame.
and this, kids, is why belief systems still work.
It makes me feel so good to know you don’t have to smart to have money.
If he has enough money to just buy a handful of cars just to get a GT3RS, he should be able to a) buy a scalped build slot orrr... b) have sufficient legal representation at his disposal to put some heavy pressure on the dealer for leading him down this road of buying so many cars without the pay off his given assurance of...
Similar story happened to me for the Speedster. Sold my cars, went to Ferrari instead. Ferrari are actually easier to deal with.
Absolutely true.
Porsche dealers behaving like Rolex dealers
I bought 12 x 911's over the space of 5 years, I wanted a GT3.. They didn't give me an allocation, so I asked them to call me soon as they had a GT3 in stock second hand.. they never called me when they had 3 unsold in stock, I stopped buying Porsches for that reason but they was always happy to take my money and over charge me for service and repairs.
Overcharge what do you mean?
I sold a RAM 1500 to a Porsche mechanic If you get the ceramic effort one breaks on the G T3 a break job cost you 20K.
He got done DIRTY!😮
Fine with me I would have sold all 8 of them and then never bought a Porsche again and made sure everyone I know hears this story.
Every time i see someone driving a Porsche gt3 rs i know they rich rich 🤑
Just looked up used 911s for sale in my country and found an almost unused -23 GT3 RS for about 3.3mil SEK (250k GBP / 310k USD). If I wanted this car and could afford it, I'd go this route instead of groveling before the feet of a greedy car dealer
If you have the money to buy 8 Porsches , you have the money to pay the $200k over sticker for GT3 RS and just get it over with. Plus, it would’ve been A LOT cheaper 😂
I smell a lawsuit, especially if he got that agreement in ink.
Small print gives a wink 😉
That’s an insane story if true. Also would have been a lot easier to just pay the extra 100-200k and buy second hand from an exotic car dealer. Don’t get to spec it yourself. but still better than buying 8 other cars you don’t need
It is quite common with Porsche dealers in the UK.
It's actually a lot easier to pay the extra amount as markup for a preowned car and this amount will be about the same that's lost due to the depreciation of those interim cars, also the owner doesn't have to wait 5-6 months or sometimes 1-2 years to take delivery of the car but they do have the luxury of choosing what they want and sometimes that does dictate the resale value of the car.
Exactly what Rolex and AP does..this is why there’s a booming market of people selling allocations and vehicles with massive markups. Such a shady, shitty tactic.
Einen GT3RS bekommst Du nur wenn Du schon langjähriger Kunde bist und GTs hattest. Dann wirst Du informiert und kommst auf eine Warteliste. Desweiteren muss der Wagen über Porsche finanziert werden damit er nicht frühzeitig verkauft werden kann und zum Spekulationsobjekt wird.
Bruh I doubt every single damn Porsche dealership is like this, if it was really that way, then Porsche would be just like Ferrari with their Cease and Desist or whatever the hell note is called.
This didn’t happen, they want to sell cars to people who are not going to flip them. They want them to buy and trade a few cars, but in the end the GT car will be worth more than your total investment.
This is better than the attitude Ferrari shows.
How exactly? At least with Ferrari, they allocate a car after having bought so many cars from them. Porsche just screws their vip customers by selling the car to whoever pays a huge dealer markup.