Hi Michael. I have another Sheet to tiller vid. On it I discuss the connection to tiller problem (2:30) and show clear photos of the jig(3:30). Except for the cam cleats these are all made of stuff I had laying around. The jaws were a little aggressive so later I lined the jaws with leather ruclips.net/video/DOUgO-tSCDY/видео.html
I am still unclear about the relationship of the jib sheet to the control line. It seemed that once you had the small control line attached that you let the jib sheet go, but then reattached it. Why? What adjustments were made and how did the small control line hold the jib. It obviously isn't strong enough to control it alone.
Hi Coke. Basically you connect the control line to the clew of the foresail and let off just a little sheet tension. In this video you can see me let off and pull in until I think it is right. So, the control line will have 5 to 10 cm play before the sheet takes up the tension. You want the tiller to be moving in small scallops from port to starboard to keep the boat on track. This rig allows the control line to pull on the tiller an then go slack when the sheet takes up the load. In another youtube that I uploaded about experimenting till I got it right at 5:12 an at 8:13 you can see the slight difference in tension between the control line and the sheet. ruclips.net/video/DOUgO-tSCDY/видео.html Too must sheet tension and the control line can't do its job. Noe enough sheet tension and the control line will have too much play and the boat will wander and head off track. Of course every boat, sail set and track will mean a slightly different set up. Be patient and you will be very pleased when it all comes together. gary
Hi Gary, thanks for the reply. Sorry to be a bit slow getting back to you as I was out on my little twelve foot sailing dingy yesterday, a Phil Bolger Cartopper. I knew it was an old post so wasn't sure if you might still be on-line or not. This is definitely helpful. I have two boats, a small 12' sailing dingy that I use here on the local lakes where I live in Durham, North Carolina in the states and a Bayfield 25 docked in Oriental, NC at the mouth of the Neuse River. Which is the one I am trying to rig. For years I have just lightly secured my tiler with a bit of line which works not too bad for five minutes or so, and have only recently come across sheet to tiller steering on RUclips. Which is driving me nuts. Everybody does it differently and no one provides many details or tells why they use a particular method. So far, I see five different ways to rig it. To the jib, both to the clew and to the sheet, and three to the mainsail; to the boom itself, to one strand of the main sheet of a four part tackle, and to all four lines of the main sheet. And nobody says why they choose the one they use or even if they tried them all or why. Nor nothing much specific about the adjustments needed. Like what tells you that you need more bungee elastic. I seem to have read that to the main is best going into the wind and to the jib running downwind, but then into the wind seems to work well for you going into the wind. Did you try several different attachments or was it due to what rigged easily given the configuration of your boat? I tried a first arrangement to the main sheets last week, but the wind was way light and I couldn’t really seem to get it dialed in, so hopefully when I am back on the Bayfield in a couple of weeks I will have more time and wind to figure it out. So thanks again for the info. 80 year old persistent Coot here so will eventually figure it out. :) Would send pics, but don’t think I can do that here. Best, Coke Oh, my name Coke is a middle name after the Methodist Bishop sent to the Americas by John Wesley with Coke as a last name.
Hi Coke. Here is my late reply to your late reply. Yes there are lots of ways to rig sheet to tiller. Which proves there is more than one way to skin a cat. My guess is that they all work, but some work better than others on each boat. I also think that what each skipper ends up adopting is the system that he has spent the most time perfecting. RE:Did you try several different attachments or was it due to what rigged easily given the configuration of your boat? I tried the control line to the boom end once and had no luck, Then went for the line to the clew with a slightly slackened sheet and after about an hour's fiddling got it working. Each time I set it up I spent less time adjusting as I am used to the system now. RE: And nobody says why they choose the one they use or even if they tried them all or why. Nor nothing much specific about the adjustments needed. Like what tells you that you need more bungee elastic. Every boat is different (obviously) and the conditions vary each time you go out so the adjustments will therefore be different. I chose the control line to foresail clew system because I wasn't satisfied with the boom setup. The bungee tension is the easiest adjustment. I have three lengths of bungee (giving me three tensions) and a lanyard that can be tightened giving me an extra bit of adjustment. I know it sounds like too much trouble, but if you sort out the gear beforehand and dedicate a day to it I am sure that anyone (with persistence) can pull this of off. All the best gary
Hi Eric. In a word no. Some have tried fitting a vertical lever to the wheel an connecting to that. The problem is that you only have a small amount of "pull" and many wheel systems have at least a full rotation lock to lock.
love to see close up of your cam cleat jig !! thanks
Hi Michael. I have another Sheet to tiller vid. On it I discuss the connection to tiller problem (2:30) and show clear photos of the jig(3:30). Except for the cam cleats these are all made of stuff I had laying around. The jaws were a little aggressive so later I lined the jaws with leather ruclips.net/video/DOUgO-tSCDY/видео.html
@@garymalm thanks much you're the cat's meow.
I am still unclear about the relationship of the jib sheet to the control line. It seemed that once you had the small control line attached that you let the jib sheet go, but then reattached it. Why?
What adjustments were made and how did the small control line hold the jib. It obviously isn't strong enough to control it alone.
Hi Coke.
Basically you connect the control line to the clew of the foresail and let off just a little sheet tension.
In this video you can see me let off and pull in until I think it is right.
So, the control line will have 5 to 10 cm play before the sheet takes up the tension. You want the tiller to be moving in small scallops from port to starboard to keep the boat on track. This rig allows the control line to pull on the tiller an then go slack when the sheet takes up the load.
In another youtube that I uploaded about experimenting till I got it right at 5:12 an at 8:13 you can see the slight difference in tension between the control line and the sheet.
ruclips.net/video/DOUgO-tSCDY/видео.html
Too must sheet tension and the control line can't do its job. Noe enough sheet tension and the control line will have too much play and the boat will wander and head off track.
Of course every boat, sail set and track will mean a slightly different set up. Be patient and you will be very pleased when it all comes together.
gary
Hi Gary, thanks for the reply. Sorry to be a bit slow getting back to you as I was out on my little twelve foot sailing dingy yesterday, a Phil Bolger Cartopper. I knew it was an old post so wasn't sure if you might still be on-line or not. This is definitely helpful. I have two boats, a small 12' sailing dingy that I use here on the local lakes where I live in Durham, North Carolina in the states and a Bayfield 25 docked in Oriental, NC at the mouth of the Neuse River. Which is the one I am trying to rig. For years I have just lightly secured my tiler with a bit of line which works not too bad for five minutes or so, and have only recently come across sheet to tiller steering on RUclips. Which is driving me nuts.
Everybody does it differently and no one provides many details or tells why they use a particular method. So far, I see five different ways to rig it. To the jib, both to the clew and to the sheet, and three to the mainsail; to the boom itself, to one strand of the main sheet of a four part tackle, and to all four lines of the main sheet. And nobody says why they choose the one they use or even if they tried them all or why. Nor nothing much specific about the adjustments needed. Like what tells you that you need more bungee elastic.
I seem to have read that to the main is best going into the wind and to the jib running downwind, but then into the wind seems to work well for you going into the wind. Did you try several different attachments or was it due to what rigged easily given the configuration of your boat?
I tried a first arrangement to the main sheets last week, but the wind was way light and I couldn’t really seem to get it dialed in, so hopefully when I am back on the Bayfield in a couple of weeks I will have more time and wind to figure it out.
So thanks again for the info. 80 year old persistent Coot here so will eventually figure it out. :)
Would send pics, but don’t think I can do that here.
Best,
Coke
Oh, my name Coke is a middle name after the Methodist Bishop sent to the Americas by John Wesley with Coke as a last name.
Hi Coke. Here is my late reply to your late reply.
Yes there are lots of ways to rig sheet to tiller. Which proves there is more than one way to skin a cat.
My guess is that they all work, but some work better than others on each boat. I also think that what each skipper ends up adopting is the system that he has spent the most time perfecting.
RE:Did you try several different attachments or was it due to what rigged easily given the configuration of your boat?
I tried the control line to the boom end once and had no luck, Then went for the line to the clew with a slightly slackened sheet and after about an hour's fiddling got it working. Each time I set it up I spent less time adjusting as I am used to the system now.
RE: And nobody says why they choose the one they use or even if they tried them all or why. Nor nothing much specific about the adjustments needed. Like what tells you that you need more bungee elastic.
Every boat is different (obviously) and the conditions vary each time you go out so the adjustments will therefore be different. I chose the control line to foresail clew system because I wasn't satisfied with the boom setup.
The bungee tension is the easiest adjustment. I have three lengths of bungee (giving me three tensions) and a lanyard that can be tightened giving me an extra bit of adjustment. I know it sounds like too much trouble, but if you sort out the gear beforehand and dedicate a day to it I am sure that anyone (with persistence) can pull this of off.
All the best gary
Thanks Gary, that’s definitely helpful.
Good day . Would this only work with tiller and not a wheel ?
Hi Eric.
In a word no. Some have tried fitting a vertical lever to the wheel an connecting to that. The problem is that you only have a small amount of "pull" and many wheel systems have at least a full rotation lock to lock.
@@garymalm maybe a drum system