US Navy FORCES EXTENSION OF 2 MORE Years of Service?! (Not Clickbait)
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“We have altered the contract, pray we do not alter it any further” -The US Military
You deserve written acknowledgement of an Empire strikes back reference 👍
"No disintegrations"
This deal keeps getting worse all the time!
Pretty much 👍🏻
I wonder if there is a legal remedy for this?
The navy is trying to scare away sailors, speed running this shit.
I love America and I loved to have served, but I am so glad I am retired at this point.
Same here
Stockholm syndrome is amazing
Same, got out 2011
Amen!
I’m so glad I got out of the military in time to see Lebron James break Kareem’s scoring record.
I did 4 years USMC in the late 90s. Over all it was a good experience, I used to tell kids to join up. These days any kid I hear talking about the military I immediately try to talk out of it. The current climate is absolutely horrible.
How would you know if you served in the late 90s?
@@rideacarr2.043 The political climate. And I know people who did 20+ years and got out in the last few years.
@@wingedhussar5528 I think social media polarizes everything and I think the ‘old corps’ is a load of bullshit. I’ve been in since 2011 when the war was still on, all 03 and while things have changed; some for better, some for worse, there no shortage of 19 year old Marines who want nothing more than to kill whomever it is we fight next.
A common trend I also seem to notice is most people trashing the idea of serving in today’s military served during peacetime and have no wartime/ combat experience. 🧐
@@rideacarr2.043It's pretty obvious when you see the military endorsing drag queens, preferred pronoun garbage and 'white rage'. Not to mention the military paying to chop off the genitalia and give sex hormones for psych issues..
True but you did have a good experience. Doesn’t make sense if you talk somebody out of it if you clearly benefited from it.
I did some reserve time, and I can attest to the fact that you're going to be doing a lot more work than just one weekend.
Really?
@@bodhisattva2348 My son joined the NJ Army National back in 2004. He has never done one weekend per month and two weeks a year like when I was in the NJ Air Guard in the 1980's. He is almost ready to retire and has over 9 years of active duty. As he gained rank, the more phone calls he gets at home. His civilian career has suffered since his employers cannot count on when he is going to be at work.
Many of my drills were not just on the weekend, or only two days long. They'd routinely slip in four, or five day drills. Sometimes with very little notice. It sucked.
Only the strong survive in the reserve component
@dwayne7356 the national guard is a far bigger commitment then reserves especially with rank. Each states national guard units are basically their own militas legally. There are many uses for them.
Great way to ensure recruitment numbers stay down.
I joined in 1979 when it was a 6-year total obligation. Came in on a six-year advanced electronics active duty contract. When I hit my EAOS I was free and clear. But I figured six years of Active Duty and E-6 was a lot to throw away so I did two years USNR SELRES and the rest of my 24 years was Army National Guard. I am 62 now and receiving my retirement while working full time. One of my few truly great decisions. However, that being said, I would think twice before signing up for today's US Military.
Are you working full time out of choice or are you forced to?
Similar. Enjoyed National Guard more than Navy for sure. Todays "military" composition leaves my eyebrows raised. Probably would not suit me well.
@@centipedekid9824 Most people in the reserves work full time civilian jobs. Not sure the point of your question.
I also joined in 1979 and I also did the Advanced Electronics program. I also got out at 6 years as a First Class Petty Officer and I joined the reserves and retired 20 years later. Now I too am drawing that pension and getting my TRICARE. Reserves is what you can make out of it. Best decision I ever made as well!.
Yes, the Navy Reserve was boring. Spent most weekends teaching classes to the lower-ranked enlisted. No clear paths to a commission that did not involve a return to Active Duty. At least in the Guard we went to the field, practiced our MOS, and had emergency state duties for hurricanes and riots etc. Attended Guard OCS and finished up as an 04. @@nodaklojack
I guess the Navy still means
Never
Again
Volunteer
Yourself.
That used to be a joke in my time - at least, I took it that way. I don't take it as a joke anymore.
This veteran says don't trust the military.
this administration will get you killed for a political talking point
Well what do you expect when retention is the lowest it been in a long time, national pride is in the gutter, and the commander in chief is a functioning corpse
Why don't they ask war mongers like Ben Shapiro, Lindsey Graham, the Bushes and the Clintons to serve after all it's people like them who are so giddy to embroil us in another war.
@@robyenney951This is a rhetorical question, yes?
@@robyenney951 i agree. We need to fix shit at home before we try fixing the world
@@Keifsandersonyou ex RSA?
@@zargonfuture4046 USN retired
I worked with a guy who signed a 4 year active duty enlistment with the Army. He had 4 years IRR after he was discharged from active duty. A week after he completed his 8 years he got a certified letter form Amry HQ calling him up. He called and questioned the orders because he received them after his enlistment was completed. Army said that the orders were drafted and mailed before his end date on IRR. He turned himself back in to the Army and did another one year deployment to Iraq. I would have gotten a lawyer and fought that. Not only did he receive his orders after his competition of service, but the deployment put him over his service date as well.
I would've traveled out of country for a couple of weeks and lay low
I would not have done that even if it was drafted they only could have used him for those few weeks. They can't extend past the final irr date. That's called a draft
And for all those certified letters that got sent out, 80% went ignored with no consequences. Saw it all the time.
Sounds like legit orders to me.
@@RindBaloch96 and you would be a potential criminal.
My DD-214 looks so much sweeter now haha
exactly
Same got mine in 2020. In June 2024,IRR finished.
Facts
Don’t enlist in any branch now. Period
Go Officer in the Reserves or National Guard, instead 😉
Unless y ou're a les bian or la dyboy.
It's called "Stop Loss." Translation: They can't retain enough qualified personnel to effectively complete the overall mission of the NAVY. The Air Force did it a little more than a decade ago. It isn't uncommon following periods when recruitment numbers have been down, which they have been. They will also call up all active reserves as the next step. If they still can't fill billets after that ...they will reinstate the draft.
Yes, I've been telling people the samething. The 1% is no longer volunteering and there will be a draft.
I believe “stop loss” only applies during an active conflict, which we currently are not in.
Sounds like a ponzi scheme lol. Can't leave until new meat comes in.
There's not going to be a draft. Any Congressman who voted for such a thing would be ending their political career. Especially in peacetime.
Why is that? It always puzzles me that the military-"hell any government job!" Don't understand the concept "TREAT PEOPLE LIKE CRAP, THEY WON'T COME BACK!"
Like it's an honor to put up with lies and B.S.
Finished my 10 years. Timing is literally everything. To all the new kids, I'd say just do all your time as active duty.
Slavery can be defined with two words, “involuntary servitude”.
That's how I feel about my taxes
Yeah, totally doesn't apply to VOLUNTARY servitude.
As the 13th amendment currently reads, basically the government has the "authority" to change laws to make people into criminals and thusly turn them into slaves.
Indentured servant is more like it. Semper Fi 2016-2020.
@@alaskanwhiskey , now that's a distinction I'm willing to entertain. Navy subs '92-'98
Unreal. That will fix our recruiting issues! I can hear the sales pitch now… “Join the Navy! You’ll be our bitch well after you put your uniform away!”
Daggom! Navy turning into Wayne Brady 😳
@@user-tr8rg1xg9e Does Wayne Brady gonna have to "Slap a Bitch?"
With the amount of money you guys are getting on top of all the tax free allowances, the training, the experience.....you wussies have NOTHING to complain about.
I ssy send emmas 2 moms.
@@EWDDGThat's what I'm talking about
😃👉benefits⚖️ workload
Almost every shipmate I knew in the IRR did jack shit, myself included. I was an HM, but I was reservist the whole way through and got forced out in 2018. My IRR time was from 2018 to 2020, and they tried the first year to reach out to me and didn't even consider picking up the phone during the pandemic to recall me, when we desperately needed medical professionals. So I'm gonna assume this is gonna fuck over those with extended reserve time over the IRR, cos I assure you NO ONE unless they are trying to get back in, give a fuck about the Navy when they're in the IRR
DC here, coming into my last year of IRR. I've been contacted every year, and have been a college student basically every year so far. Last year, they scheduled me for an in person show date; and then they ghosted me when I tried to follow up. I eventually said fuck it, and kept ignoring them. If they want me, they can come find me. Regardless, I'm about to start applying for a fire/ems job...
I was in the IRR from 14-16 and never heard from Reserve Affairs until they mailed me my discharge certificate. I was never even told what Reserve Station to report to, and that could have been a 6 hour drive as that was the closest station with my MOS.
"Forced out" of the HM community? Safe to assume you were blue side? 🧐
@sfh05004 I'd actually been with 2/24 Weapons Co before it happened. Was with them for 7 months
@@BlueJayWaters We simply HAVE TO stop treating sailors who tend to sick and injured Marines and SEALs at the FLOT like you all are just a list of DoD ID numbers on a spreadsheet. 😔
The Army made me do two extra years. Made me PCS to FT Hood despite me telling them I wanted to retire. Showed up to FT Hood with 19 years and 4 months of service. I was so pissed. I started terminal leave in November and officialy retire on 1 FEB. So glad it's over.
In 1980 I was completing my 6 years active duty on submarines and the squadron chief comes around to see if I would reenlist. After offering me my 2 year shore duty where I didn’t want to go and a 4 year reenactment I decided to turn down his offer. He then noted that I was due to take the E6 exam and asked why I hadn’t done it. I told him by the time the results came in I would be a civilian and it was a waste of time. He then threatened me with dereliction of duty for not taking the exam. I took the damn exam and six months later I got a letter from the Navy saying I was advanced to E6. I had by that time been working for Westinghouse making twice the pay for half the hours. I’m proud I served on subs but I would never recommend anyone joining nowadays.
Boy, that sure sounds familiar.
SSBN617b
At the end of the day. The American folks have to defend the shores, interest that affects our economy, our way of life, and our allies. Time and time again, folks still think the military will make them rich lol. The military will always be a "service" and character development for a lot of young kids( backbone of the military). 😂
Boy, you got screwed.
@@user-em1sj5ph6h how so? I got my education and experience and traded them in for a 40 year career in the civilian market making a six figure salary. I’m now retired, own my house and vehicles with no debt. I’ve traveled with my wife through the UK, Ireland, France, and Italy. In March I’m going on an African safari and in August I’ll cruise down the Rhine. Had I trip to the Middle East planned in 2025 but I may have to rethink that one. As far as I’m concerned that Master Chief did me a great favor by getting me out of the military although I didn’t appreciate it at the time.
I did the same thing with my chief's exam 3 weeks before EAOS. They made me take the exam anyway, even though I'd be out months before the results were, so I spent slightly less than two minutes filling in all the "C" columns. When I turned it in, the proctors told me I could be written up. I told them that I know nothing about being a khaki, but I'm confident I'll make a helluva civilian. Probably a good thing I didn't draw attention to my SNOB belt-buckle, because I'm pretty sure they'd have misinterpreted the pointing gesture...
I'm in the Marine reserves. It's not as easy as it sounds. You hold up the same standards and answer to the same people even though you don't wear the uniform every day
😂
I don’t know brother I did I&I and the reservists did whatever they wanted both in and out of uniform. The about of adminseps our company was pushing was crazy we had 5 guys getting pushed out at any given time at a company of 300. Hell even the SMCR 1stSgt got NJPed his first drill at this unit for some sexual harassment type shit in the field. Reservist are crazy and there’s a shit ton of really good guys in it but substantially more bad apples than you’ll find on the active duty side
Oof
Tell another one man you’re on a roll lol
As an incentive, they're now including Drag shows on every ship to boost morale.
Right next to the “white rage” briefings
I’m pretty sure you’re going to win in comments section!
Sponsored by MWR. 😂
Ha ha
Free bud light too, slightly expired
Hugging my DD-214 😂
What does this mean. Please expound
Congrats you're not trapped.
@@alfjones6377 I'm saying I'm glad I'm not in the military anymore
@@aplaceholderbplaceholder9524 getting out was probably the best day of my life
what about your mom? still making you bkf?
They are legally able to do this. However, this will not help them attract new volunteers. I anticipate a new draft being enacted within the decade. Active servicemen will bail as-soon-as they can and few, if any new volunteers will sign up.
Which is what i suspect is the long term goal. First piss off enough people so that a draft is required, then introduce a split military with a smaller higher paid, increased benefit professional core augmented by a low paid, low benefits conscription force.
Yup, and instead of restoring honor to the military, they'll just draft.. that would be an absolute shit show.
When they restart the draft they will have to draft women. If they don’t there will be lawsuits about equality.
@@Chris_at_HomeGod, I hope so, but we still have separate PT tests for the same job.
@@Chris_at_HomeThe draft officers are gonna be scared of more than just lawsuits my friend.
I was active duty in the Coast Guard for 4 years. My IRR time was from 2008-2012. I only received two things… one piece of paperwork asking about my location & status/readiness and later in 2012, my Discharge Cert. That was it. No muster, no phone calls, nil. Didn’t do diddly otherwise.
Same here, I did 6 years active duty in USAF and 2 years IRR and never did anything else.
I worked in deployment and in 2002 during stop loss, we had IRR USAF and Army surgeons among the first to get a recall for immediate war deployment.
Man I knew the military was gonna start a stop loss!
For people that haven’t done their 8 years yet, sure. This isn’t surprising or news worthy.
The only newsworthy part is that so many dummies aren’t aware they they’re signing up for 8 years instead of the 4 or 6 like they thought. Thats their fault
I was Army for 21 years. Is This is the first time the Navy’s hearing of this?? We had stop loss, IRR call ups, and more.
I'm currently in the Air Force IRR. I've never once been contacted, nor told to, show up for any "roll call", anywhere. I've verified that they have both my Email and my physical address, so it's on THEM to tell me to muster, not me having to "inquire" about it
Inactive....you don't do anything. They also don't pay you.
I wouldn't even go that far. I've got a driver's license, they can find me if they wanted to. I'm not making it any easier on them.
I served from 2014 to 2018 active with 4 years inactive thereafter. I was a conventional MM and stationed on the Nuclear aircraft carrier USS Nimitz. During my time on the USS Nimitz, I was put working with Nuclear MMs and doing the same jobs as them for the most part. That said if they offered similar incentives that Nukes received I probably would have re-enlisted. They had zero incentives for conventional MMs while Nukes would re-enlist to gain rank and get a pretty hefty bonus. I heard of them receiving close to 100,000 dollars at times. On top of all of that we worked more than most other rates, less duty sections, more time on watch, less time off the ship while in ports, etc. I feel like they should have paid us almost double what other sailors made but that is just how I saw it. They do say choose your rate choose your fate. All of that still blows my mind. They wonder why people don't re-enlist.
Sounds like a "back door draft" to me. Pay these guys an extra grand a month if you do this, it's only fair!
You get nothing extra for a stoploss.
Gates gave $600 per month when he was Sec Def as they pulled this shit in Iraq, but today the Gov't is cheap so you are probably right. I did 3 years active, 3 years inactive reserves and I got my Honorable Discharge in 1973. How times change!@@strategygalactic
They had the same IRR requirement when I enlisted in 1972. That the Navy is thinking about using the IRR tells me they're really hurting. An additional point for the lifers: I "retired" from the Marines in 1998. I was actually transferred to the Fleet Marine Corps Reserve. Upon the 30th anniversary of my enlistment (2002), I received a retirement certificate in the mail. Paragraph 3 of the admin letter that came with the certificate stated that I could be recalled to active duty without my consent. I imagine all Services are the same & am wondering if any of them are desperate enough to consider recalling retirees yet. BTW at almost 70, I think I'm safe.
They're not recalling IRR really, nor would they recall retirees. They haven't even really activated any active reserves. There's a lot of fear mongering going on.
People will get around this. They will do things like PT Test failures. Honerable discharge and dont encur the extra time.
PT fails don't get you out now
Pt test failures just prevent you from getting promoted lol
My contract is 5 years (I’m an AO), does this apply to me? Just wanting some clarification.
Please, they will lower the standards. You don't think they'll let you off easy, do you?
@@ThatGearCollector2002 If you signed your enlistment contract on or after 1 October 2020, you have to complete 6 years of SELRES service minus any Active Duty time you have completed. AO's exist on the reserve side as well. So, as long as part one (1Oct2020) applies, you will be a SELRES for 1 year
They may be hurting for members now, and this may keep some in uniform for a few years, but it may hinder from people enlisting in the future, so this may backfire.
They don't need to worry about people enlisting in the future. If the future means drafting due to short on people, then they will do it for sure!
@@slothypunkOff to the stockade!
US Navy Veteran, I'd never let my kids join any service. I am training them, in things Men of the Republic, need to know.
You think the Navy will get better in 5 or 10 years from now?
I did my time in the Navy. So glad I got out when I did. When I was in the RETENTION rate was 4%. Geez. What is the real problem.
You were a barracks bunny.
@@JohnIsaacXIV hahaha bruhhh
I wonder what the PNA rate is for the advancement schedules? Because I bet they hold a lot of promotions hostage to re-enlistment, and then wonder why people opt out instead. (Been there done that.)
Also the people that are smart enough about the task on-hand tend to be treated like crap with low level hazing through make-work B.S. (Somebody sneaking through the berthing and f'ing s- up for no reason, etc. Now you have to fix that on top of whatever you did while on station or watch rotation.) So it's also understandable that people don't care for that unnecessary crap and opt out.
Yet they still can't figure out why so many do a one-and-done and not stick around.
@@JohnIsaacXIV hate to bust your bung hole. I was a dude then. Lol
@@tgurlamber5874 Wait what? LMFAOOO. Atleast you’re honest bro. 😎 I respect that
Army did the dirty to me back in 2009. Got my discharge, got a letter 2 months later saying "you're coming back bro." 6 years got turned into 14.
I’m on the flight line side. SELRES is full time. But that’s what my friends want so it’s all good. Hope this doesn’t mess up the plans of our sailors that want a life.
Ain't gonna lie, did active Navy, and National Guard, and Air National Guard. Living on a ship absolutely sucks. I would rather join the French Foreign Legion than serve in the Navy again, and they don't treat their soldiers all that well.
Great video Nicky!
When I joined the Navy in 1985 I had an automatic 2 years full-time active duty extension which I ended up staying until 1992!! I STILL wished I had never left after my two years extension!!
Have you heard of the automatic promotion to SFC from the Army!? Good idea fairy is striking hard.
I retired from the Reserve Force I also did 6 years active duty. Nick makes a lot of good points but they might be incomplete.
My friend who talked all the time about doing his 4 and done had his whole plan on moving back to Texas and starting his time as semi truck driver the moment this came out and he had to do 2 extra Navy Reserve this man was pissed even months later he is still upset he is staying in Virgina for 2 years I feel for my man, I would have gotten this as well but I already extended so yay.
Read deeper into any service contract and you will find numerous clauses governing voluntary/involuntary extension whether it be reserve or active time....
I saw a video that the army was trying to get the personnel back that they kicked out because they refused to take the covid jab. Please comeback. We’re sorry we kicked you out and won’t do it again, until we do. I want to see a total female carrier.
You mean like the all fem P3 at Kaneoe?
My family has had a tradition of service ever since the first of us got off the boat during the civil war. All of the males in my family have always served that being said if I hadn't done my tour already there is no way I would serve not now. All of the men in our family have told the next generation NO don't do it. We are done this country no longer deserves our service.
Thanks for the video.
I did my full tour 20 years. I almost got caught up in a stop loss, thank goodness my first sergeant came to my base house and said “we never met” 2 days prior to moving off post and retiring. No way under this current political climate would I tell anyone to join. Not the same military I once knew, this one is SOFT. I can’t wait till Gen Z and X get rolled up in the draft, cuz that’s coming along with WOMEN also getting drafted. Equality across the board.
Equal rights, equal fights...in regards to women.
Once you did 8 years on Active Duty you weren’t in danger of a stop loss anymore. When did they mention stop loss to you?
Stop loss only affects people that haven’t done 8 years yet
I am new corps but was raised by old corps marines. It truly was a different time and I spent more time dodging njps than I did learning and mentoring...
@@sirseven3 I would think that the Old Corps would have taught you that you ALWAYS capitalize Marine 🫣
How does it gone "SOFT" from when you joined to when you retired? Because the presidency changed from Republican to Democrat?
I just received a Sailor from A school that is under investigation (NCIS) now I have the Sailor and I can’t employ as designed, so, the billet is filled, yet we are less operationally capable.
Is the leadership helping the sailor and giving the benefit of the doubt with support?
Of course.
This might help fix some issues temporarily, but I gotta think it will frighten off even more first-time enlistments and further exacerbate the recruiting crisis.
When I was in you had a 6 year contract. Four on active duty and two in the inactive reserves.
Wrapped up in my DD214 blanket. Can't touch me!
Serious question about your forces promotions. What if you work for an incompetent officer and CO who don't do your performance reports on time and you don't have enough good reports to get promoted. Do YOU get shown the door or do you have recourse? In Canada we have zero restrictions of how long you can stay in a rank and still remain active. We had Corportals with 35yrs service lol. They were just happy as a worker and did their job well. Not everyone who joins is fit to lead but they can still work with the team?
up to E6 your leadership can make it harder to promote but it'll be obvious they are. However, if they're doing more minor things you can workaround it since the Navy uses exams for advancement from E4 to E5and E5 to E6. E1-E4 is (almost) automatic and long as they aren't handing you evals that say "do not promote" outright it's hard to stop you from trying to advance.
@@bdd7881 thanks for the info. Unfortunately in Canada it isn't based on time in or 3ven talent its based on your immediate boss and co evaluations. Usually it is the "cliques" that get promoted. If you play hockey with the csm or co you get promoted. If you do your job even exceptionally it can be ignored. National defense hq has fuck all to do with nco promotions in the end. Oh and if you get posted to a new unit, you start at the bottom again in promotions. We work off a POINT system.
@@williamblaney3316 we also start at the bottom every time you move units. It's a huge contention point. They use the argument of "gotta show progression" as the reason to start you over at the bottom. Doesn't matter what all you do, you're at the bottom. It's utter BS.
Soft Stop Loss for recruiting short falls along with possible conflict escalations. How many battle groups are deployed outside of scheduled rotation right now...
We need to get our battle group numbers up
@@user-tr8rg1xg9ecan we police our borders instead of the world? We wouldn’t have to worry about shipping lanes if we hadn’t sold our industries to China. Maybe that would help recruiting? Except this country is run by corporations who won’t let that happen
Good video keep it up!!!!
I feel like this has always been this way. Required 8 years. 4 active 4 reserve. I just did 20 and didn’t worry about all that mess.
Always should be a fresh start! Guy or gal could be a superstar
Air National Guard babyyyy
DD214 keepin me warm fr
Im comfused. I joined after oct 2020, 4 active 4 IRR, so do I now have to do 2 IRR and 2 SelRes?
I have never laughed harder in DD214 than I have ever laughed today.
For sure, China Bot.
Seeing this it makes me so happy I was picked up for Space Force the last IST go around.
Lucky bastard 😂😂😂😂 enjoy!
This happened to me at the beginning of the post-9/11 wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Navy put a hold on all 8404 Corpsmen from getting out. The soon dropped it after they had enough service members and recruitment to fill the gaps in those transitioning out of the Navy. What you read about IRR time has been part of the contracts for years. It's something that recruiters often need to do a better job of explaining and only focus on the active duty time of the contract to be served and any possible benefits for the service member within their contract.
When i was in it was this, IRR was equal to the years active. 4yr contract =4yr IRR. Also, i never ONCE heard from a single Navy soul reach out for anything, no PT, nothing. I get we’re at a really messed up point in time but I’m not sure i see the problem here. Maybe I’m misunderstanding or something.
If you did 4 years then yes 4 are irr. If you did 6 years it's 2 years irr. If you did 8 full you don't have any irr
@@crazychase98 you might be right, i just remember being told that IRR was equal to our contract. I specifically remember asking that because I thought my DEP time counted towards IRR, but i think you’re right.
The Navy could change its rules any day of the week. And since people aren’t really joining, they have to do something. Also, I think you’re also going to see a marked increase in boot camp drops with the lowering of standards. They’d better increase the size of Ship 5 rapidly. Even when I went to boot camp in 1991, there were a slew of folks in there that didn’t seem to be all there. Only 1 was dropped.
However, the Navy will always have some really crappy things that need to be done that require next to no intelligence, so I guess there’s a place for everyone.
This has been I’m military contracts for decades; as a recruiter for the Army I remember having to explain this to all my future soldiers.
I'm so glad i was med boarded after a few years and not a normal end of contract. Strait out not in the IRR thank god.
*laughs in retirement status*
How long before the Army follows this action I wonder?
Army already secretly has. My relative is not eligible to retire now due to war after 20 years of service and 4 tours later.
@@user-dq5ww5ty4d Boy what a shitty time to sign up and damn that blows. Sorry to hear he got f ed over.
Army was doing all during Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Army has been doing this shit for decades bro.
@@user-dq5ww5ty4dBullshit
Once you’ve done your 8 year commitment they can’t stop you from leaving or retiring.
Man im so glad my obligation ended awhile ago
Hey @Nickymgtv
Now this is not related to the video at all but I was wondering if the Navy has any special skills schools available to sailors to attend regardless of rate?
Army equivalent is schools like
Air Assault
Airborne
Pathfinder
Ranger
To name a few
I ask because all of these schools are available to all soldiers who meet the requirements but is not limited based on MOS they are open to all MOS’ I was wondering if the Navy has the same thing and if so what schools?
I look forward to your reply or anyone else who can help answer this question!
God Bless!
Ain't nobody getting out😂😂
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There a high chance is gonna generate a crap load of disgruntled sailor that are just gonna do bare minimum. Which in turn just gonna tax the already stress out system causing good solider/sailors to just give up and quite instead of reenlisting.
Are they going to triple their yearly pay for their rate then or at least double it?
I was in the marine corps reserves for 6 years got out in 2022 .. was thinking of joining the national guard to advance my civilian career still not even 100% sure any advice?
Then do it! If you wants it then you have a big advantage because they are short on people! You can literally say I want this rating or else I am not sign the contract since they really wants people to join!
I wanted to stay, but they higher tenured me. So when they cry about not meeting recruiting goals I laugh at them!
Yeah okay---Marked as Chinese Bot posting*
@@abyssusthechicken what the fuck ever
I'm confused, what really changed? Haven't we always had an 8-year commitment? I joined in 88 for 6 years. Got out at 5yrs 8 months on hardship (offered a job more than 45% of my base pay) so they let me out 4 months early. I still did over 2 years inactive or whatever it was called.
Wait maybe it was 2 years and since i was almost 6 in... ok bad math day I think I get it now. lol
Damn you lucky, the marine Corps would have told you to kick rocks and then involuntarily extended your contact and put you in G3 for being a smart ass
What I gather, it's still 8 years. What changed is how they choose to use your time owed after your active duty commitment. Instead of going to IRR where you could end up doing nothing, now you can be used for National Guard, etc.
SELRES are drilling reservists (with benefits etc), IRR are not ... The 8 years total service is still in effect; but instead of the choice of SELRES or IRR, they're forcing at least 2 years of SELRES. Drilling reservists are pinged first for orders etc. And with how poor recruitment numbers are... It's obvious why they're forcing SELRES.
So how much do you get paid for doing Selres? Would you still be able to maintain another full time job with it?
When I was in the service they couldn't throw you fast enough. Now the shoe is on the other foot. FJB
Is this to keep the number of people in uniform, or are they expecting a war sometime soon? And being under the Navy, does this include the Marines?
I just read the Air Force did the same tging.
I think what you saw is that our high year tenure has been increased two years at all ranks except E-9. So now an E-4 can stay in for 12 instead of 10 years, and a E-5 can retire at 22 years instead of 20.
Imagine comparing the air force to navy😂😂😂😂
Not really right now they can't get enough people to join. So they increased how long you can stay a rank before they get forced out by the air force at the same rank. This is due also in part due to rank not being made because the air force test scores for a lot of jobs to a very high score needed. Air force has been big braining sometime
This is not going to end well for the volunteer service or this country.
It may do wonders for a draft though. Can you imagine a Gen Z draftee service?
N.A.V.Y. NEVER AGAIN VOLUNTEER YOURSELF !
@@deplorable1-2 Is there a bag limit for draft officers or do you even need a license?
Yet I'm trying to join and I get told they are not currently processing medical paperwork. So I have to wait even longer it been 9 months and it getting annoying
Go, Navy! Go! 👍
With respect to warm hand-off procedures I can see victims of sexual assault on expedited transfers especially problematic. The gaining command has no business knowing why the person they are gaining due to an expedited transfer. That opens a door to retaliation by the gaining command
Sounds like a mandatory draft around the corner.
It would be political suicide
Can you imagine an all draftee Gen Z military? THAT"S NOT MY PRONOUN YOU NAZI! 🙂
As a former Navy recruiter I was always against the idea of a draft, but in today’s climate I don’t see another way out. The quality of sailor has greatly diminished.
@@txelmore But are you really going to get a higher quality with a draft? Sure you'll get some quality people but most of your draftees are not going to be quality on top of not wanting to be there.
Wow! A couple of years before I retired from the US Navy AD, they were separating E-6s just to drastically downsize the Navy. A lot of GREAT E-6s git the boot. The Navy did drastically draw downs and then had to neg for more Sailors every 7 to 10 years while I was in the Navy from 1990 to 2014. Ludicrous!
Retired in 2018 from the Navy after 24 years of service. I can tell you that all of the services are hurting for numbers. No matter how or what you feel about your government, you need to understand that there countries that absolutely mean us harm. If you don’t understand that fact, then you need to come out from under the rock you have been under. And yeah, we all get that it is “unfashionable “ or unpopular to join, or to love your country for that matter. But the country needs you. No, not joking.
I agree with you. However, when the military starts being politically correct and kicking out their own personnel during the pandemic just because they didn't want to take the covid jab because they saw through all the misinformation and inconsistencies that the so called "experts" were telling us. Furthermore, our clown in chief Joe Biden, who withdrew our military presence from Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban is just a flat-out joke. Now our military is gone woke and going broke so in a sense they shot themselves in the foot. Can you blame anyone for not wanting to serve especially under this crazy anti-america administration?
They should have thought about that before they started shitting all over patriotic American families. Maybe telling half the country they are MAGA domestic extremist was a bad idea…..
Sorry, I’m not fighting imperialist wars when I could be back at home hanging out with family. If we fought wars that are prudent to our protection (ie. anti-terrorism), then I would be okay with sucking it up but, our government starts more pointless wars than defends.
When the government is charging you $6 gas ⛽ and $2000+ rent 🏘️ all love for them is gone 😂 "everyone in this country is somebody's fool , but we ain't nobody's punk betch😂" .
I don't disagree with you but it is a tough proposition to serve and put your life on the line for a country that hates you.
The contract service is bad because if a sailor had a 4 year contract may be counting on 4 years and done only to be told hold on, now you must serve 2 years of Reserves. I would be pissed if I was forced into this. The Navy needs to incentivise this process rather than forcing this policy. It adds to just one more reason to avoid the military right now!
This warm hand off is the worst because rarely are things done for a positive reason, such as helping a struggling sailor.
What this will end with is the command calling the new command and saying, “Stand by, we have a real shit bird coming your way.” Prior to this policy, a change of command would be a new beginning and start. Now they are legislating and making sure that “anything you have done and said really will be used against you.”
Most leaders in our military right now are bitches, not talking about sex here. Today’s military leaders will use this to call the new command to ensure that shenanigans will continue!
Between policies like this, reverse racism and the whole LGBTQ bullshit our military is in some bad shape. Long gone are the days of our military existing to close with and destroy our nations enemies!
This is truly a shame!
Oh no, equal rights. What a shame. 🙄
it has ALWAYS been a 6 year commitment since it went to a voluntary service....where do you get a 4 year maximum.....did not ever exist
@@michaelkendall662 I served in the early 90s. My contract was 4 years active and 4 years IRR.
@@scarling9367 “Equal Rights…” Our military does not exist to serve as a social experiment. It exists to defend our nation from enemies foreign and domestic. Furthermore, the military has declared war on the white male and now places the minority interest beyond the majorities. The simple fact is that the state of our military has worsened because white men are no longer joining our service because they see how they are being treated. It’s not about equality otherwise the goal would be to treat “EVERYONE” the same. If you are a white male, you are no longer considered “EVERYONE,” but rather the source of holding back minorities.
EQUAL RIGHTS means exactly what it says, “EQUALITY FOR ALL!” Today’s military does not pursue this. I am of the opinion that there should be one standard, that only increases. It should never decrease to allow admitting those who do not meet the thresholds. There should be one standard for both men and woman and if you meet that standard then you are in. These standards should be mental and physical in nature.
As for the LGBTQ community, I have to ask, does the actions and lifestyle of this group add or subtract from our main goal of defending our nation? Does promoting transsexual’s and cross dressing have anything to do with defending our nation? The answer is “No!” Look, I don’t think anyone gives a crap about what a fellow military servicemen does in the privacy of their own bedroom, but when those actions come out of the private bedroom and detract from the primary purpose of our military, that is a problem. Our military does not exist to provide sex change treatments…
As for treatment between sexes, our military has lost its way. We have two standards, one for each sex and that is wrong. We should have one standard based upon the need to defend our nation. You meet the standard and you are in.
When I served in the 90’s what pissed me off more than anything was this double standard. So you had women placed in command of men that only did half the job. By half the job, I mean they had PFT goals of a mile and half run while we ran three miles. But the worst thing was that they could not be sent to combat. You could claim it was the laws but I would disagree. The vast majority could not serve as an infantry men and as a Marine, all Marines were supposed to be infantry men first. And don’t even get me started on how pregnancy or female issues were used.
One standard for all should be the rule.
@@EAL1926 unless they changed it subsequently, the total commitment was 6 years and it was done in various ways when I was in...mine was done as 6 active
That’ll help with the recruiting numbers
Bidenomics
Why not just require 18-22 year olds to serve? I believe that is coming
Slavery, America's go to answer for any problem. 🙄
Because, 60% of them won't show up. The 1960s are over.
@@poemarnan5498 yeah but I think the threat of jail would partially solve that problem.
Btw I’m not advocating for it. But I think if the numbers are as bad as they say then why not? Most of the kids seem to play video games or live with their parents anyway.
@@MrFooliofocker I served so they don't have to. My daughter isn't going anywhere near that.
have you talked to a standard young person today?.......they need help tying their own shoes
Yeah…this will help recruiting goals.
Just in time for Christmas.
Nah you got me messed up. Catch me UA in Mexico ✌🏻 I’ll do the time I agreed to honorably but manipulating peoples contracts like this is next level shady
You in for 8 years homie
@@ET2carbonsorry I should’ve elaborated, I meant specifically for MOS’ that state clearly 4 years active and 4 in reserve/IRR. I meant if you did your 4 years active and then transitioned into IRR and then them trynna pull you back into Active would be some next level shadiness.
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@@357_SWAGNUM_MAGA_X 🫡🤝🏻
@SecretSquirrel987 no it would not be next level. People did it frequently because the economy sucked or they had to many babies or were bored or homeless. I signed for 6 but did 10 with no re-enlistment. Never got any negotiations of any sort. Got retired early, sucks but I guess it was for the best. I don't know how I would fare in the new political climate in the DoD. For me, due to signing 6 years, the extra 2 years for me and my shipmates was usually optioned to drop at the 4 year mark for an additional 4 year [2+2] commitment for a bonus and career improvements like additional training. The activating of IRR is whatever, they have to activate the ready reserves first. If they are activating IRR, they pretty much would be near a draft at that point.
backdoor draft?
ignorant comment
Gee, I"m SURE this won't lead to even more trouble reaching those recruiting numbers!
As. far as active duty time: I was a Huey mechanic (yeah, THAT long ago), and was committed to 3 years active because of my MOS, and "inactive reserve" after that which was pretty much "If there's a nuclear war, we'll call", but otherwise I never heard anything.
Also, if there IS a major war (or police action, or whatever they're going to call it since Congress punted all responsibility for going to war to the President)... you're potentially in until it's done.
So glad I retired 4+ years ago from the Fleet. It looks like a total clownshow now!
I hope this changes the way lots of people vote. The current administration believes that we should be involved in lots of useless wars. Only voting and contacting your representative in congress.
my contract was 4yrs active and 2yrs reserve.. did 7yrs active. 2 in state 2 Japan 1 Iraq 1 yr decompress.
I see this as a foreshadowing of war preparations myself.
They will NEVER be prepared for war, because it ain't like WWI or WWII. The moment the try for WWIII, a million different factions with different goals are gonna fight to take their place instead. They don't seek to divide us because they think they are strong, you see. They divide us because they know full well they are weak, and wouldn't be able to handle a united uprising. But they of course didn't think ahead, and the fact that their primary foreign adversaries would take advantage of the situation, meaning they'll be thrown out anyway. The United States will end up becoming the most dangerous place in the world.
That much is obvious.