The problem is you look at this like you look at a traditional tire shredding muscle car, and it’s not. This is a comfy crusing car with a gruff unkillable v8. Lexus is not trying to be a Cadillac it’s trying to be a Lexus. And from my time with a high mileage (200k) they are unkillable comfy cruisers with a beautiful note behind them
The problem is you didn't do your research and are talking out your a**. Lexus didn't want this car to be made they shut the idea down. A team in lexus made it secretly to show them that a v8 can be used in it and they secretly tracked the car too.
But I feel that's what the gs series should be not the is series. The is series should be spottier IMHO. But honestly I feel Japanese go only after other Japanese brands which is why people know them for their reliability not for the fun anymore. Toyota has it in them with the GR models showing they have the chops.
A friend of mine is looking for family car. They have a budget of $120k. They have so many options but cant get a way from turning down Lexus because of a comfy and relaxing it drives
I wouldn’t exactly call up to $30,000+ extra “a little more” for the Blackwing Edit: Before anyone tries to say it again, the $60k CT4 V Blackwing is a V6 while the V8 CT5 V is found at dealers for $100,000
@@revengeof1307 it's uses the same powertrain as the older models. The only difference is the interior informant and gauge cluster. So it already prove to last.
It will run forever w routine maintenance. We’ve had 4 Lexus over the years, perfect compared to the 3 BMWs we’ve owned. But I’ve had 3 BMW motorcycles that have been awesome 🤷🏽♂️
Thing is, he aint wrong. The IS500 isn't worth the money. Full stop. If you could get a V8 camry for 50k sure, until then, there's 5-6 other cars for the same money that are SIGNIFICANTLY better.
@cm-15 "this 150hp base model civic, I'd recommend you spend a little more and get a Ferrari, it doesn't have much power for a racecar because that's what a racecar is all about" this guy's an idiot
@@cm-15it is not a muscle car. Learn about Lexus as a company before trying to place your expectations for what they design and build. This vehicle is designed to be the crossbreed between a daily driver and a performance vehicle. It was not intended to be a demon killer or the next drag king. It’s designed to give you the ability to enjoy the amenities of most daily drivers such as suspension, cabin noise, fuel economy, and etc. While also giving car enthusiasts who enjoy performance some of that with the V8 they slapped inside. So if you’re someone that prefers to have a comfortable ride, lots of tech on the interior, good gas mileage, and a taste of performance to give you a little bit of a thrill. Then you’ll love this car. It’s not meant for people looking to go toe to toe with a Hellcat or BMW competition series. So hold onto your criticism just because this car doesn’t meet your specific requirements. Go pay the extra 20 to 40 grand more for a vehicle that is solely intended for performance and sacrifices in other areas that this vehicle doesn’t. Let other car enthusiasts who can appreciate what this car delivers enjoy it while passing you by as you sit at the gas station for the third time in a week.
They said the EXACT same thing about the SC 430, now that car is considered an underrated classic. People forget that Lexus is a luxury car first, sports car second.
This dude is wrong 1000%. Lexus does not compete with Cadillac, Audi, Genesis, not Infinity. Nope, Lexus were meant to compete head on with Mercedes Benz. Their billion dollars Lexus research program was targeted at what Mercedes Benz customers wanted and how they behave in a daily basis.
If you just want luxury, go get a is300/350. This is a sports sedan and it 100% competes with other sports sedans that people are cross shopping. Idgaf what Lexus was trying to compete with, buyers will cross shop either way.
@@Kraize92is350/300 is js a boring car in terms of performance, icl, not a sports sedan, js smth more upmarket for those who want a nicer Camry. Still a chill vehicle tho
This is my dream car. You get toyota reliability, powerful v8, luxurious interior, and a very classy exterior look. Miscellaneous stuff like sound you could very easily fix with aftermarket stuff. The black wing feels like a fancy takeover car and sure these M cars are proven names in the car scene with everything you could want but the is500 has everything you need.
@@blaze3007 The transmission is an absolute gem. Soft when you are cruising, sharp when you are pushing it. People just don't know how to use it; car reviewers to be specific. It has one of the fastest non-DCT shifts!
@@yousef.al-assaf I agree. It cruises when you want to cruise, and (provided it's warmed up) it'll tear things up when you want, too. The biggest "problem" with the transmission is how warm the TCU wants the transmission to be before it'll really let you tear things up. It's the only thing that annoys me about the car. But once it's warmed up it's quite good. A lot of the complaints about the transmission are probably people jumping in the car and wanting to beat on it from cold and wondering why it doesn't want to play yet. On the other hand, I would like to keep this car for 10+ years, so the TCU prohibiting one from abusing the transmission when cold is a good thing. My buddy's M440i would let me tear stuff up maybe less than five minutes after the car was started. ZF8s are good, but I don't see how that can be healthy for the trans long term if one were to beat on it cold frequently.
I drove the 340I and S4. the quality in the Lexus is superior and overall Drive funner not to mention the look.Would not chose a 340 over this for half a second quicker. No one cares. The day you want to sell this car youll get more $$ for it over the germans.
The black wing is a beast it cost way more than the Lexus and is not even close to refinement and reliability of the Lexus V8. 60,000 miles later the Lexus will have better resale value and not need a engine.
Both are considered modern classics by journalists, but the market still favors the Cadillac. According to forecast experts, a Manual CT4-V or a CT5-V Blackwing will hold its value better than the IS500 despite’s Lexus’ proven reliability. Remember this is not the more collectible IS-F nameplate.
I would say a supercharged intercooled 6.2l v8 with the option of manual or 10 speed auto and is more refined than a 5.0l naturally aspirated dohc v8 that has only been mated to 8spd and 10spd autos. Ford has been making the same thing as Lexus for years now plus I think most coyote owners would call their motors pretty reliable
I wrote a comment without reading the comments. And now i have had a read, im very happy. It seems everyone but the reviewer gets what this lexus is for. It's a cruiser. It's a fun family car. Good job gents 👏
It’s not in Lexus’ ethos to make a power hungry, tire shedding, drift machine. It’s a capable, comfy, reliable compact that’s still fun to drive. Also don’t pretend that there aren’t exhaust kits for the is500 and the isf if you want it to be louder.
The IS500 will become a sought after enthusiast car soon after they discontinue it and everyone will be asking "why did no one buy it? Its such a bargain for what you're getting". Im hoping to get one soon cuz i love n/a v8's
you subconsciously understand how hopefully unequipped the IS500 is because you're comparing whole brands to a singular car model. the m340i, m440i, m550i is completely better than the is500 and y'all know it.
@@deadhouseplants64the BMWs are better. Sadly Lexus once again fails at properly introducing and handling another V8 model. The LFA, GSF, and RCF are all failures. No not because they suck. But because they all came out overpriced and were handled poorly. You have dealers pushing out ES and RX models and then you have one LFA or one GSF in the showroom just sitting when most Lexus buyers simply don’t care about those models. Lexus just doesn’t prioritize its performance line enough to let them truly shine. The RCF costs a stacking 70-100K and IS500 costs a whopping 70k+ just way overpriced for what it is.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 you want something reliable enough that you can abuse regularly scheduled maintenance, and in exchange you get a lethargic, unadvanced machine from 2013.
He's right, it's an overpriced Toyota. If you're coughing up $80-90k for a super saloon most will take an M3. You must be an old man because that's who drive these Lexus sedans and coupes.
Not at all the message here brother, he is expressing his disappointment in hopes lexus can put out a vehicle more capble to compete with modern muscle cars
It's not an American muscle car with a V8. It's a Japanese luxury car... that happens to have a V8. You're reviewing the car while putting the wrong expectations on it. Don't force your own preferences on a car that's not meant for you.
Well it’s the same price as cars that do just that. So it’s going to be cross shopped regardless, maybe it should be cheaper if you don’t want the comparison.
He speaks so well, so confident , the problem is I’ve been a mechanic for 4 years and car salesman for 5 years. HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT. Go report on the weather or something
No wonder why most American muscle cars love pedestrians more than the road, to me its a compliment if a car's rwd and acts like an awd, shows how well balanced it is. And its a TOYOTA, that things gonna be running fine even after a long long time while your germans and americans are gonna have problems after the first year, specially the new germans
@@twinex7248 whichever on is the best taken care of 😂 My cousins have owned Audis, Mercedes, BMW and Lexus and the only car that gave them issues was the Lexus 🤷♂️ It’s a lot closer than we think
@@Yo-gm3le where i live cars take a beating on a daily basis because of bad roads and let me tell you this everyone prefers toyota because of their reliability and robustness
1. Get an exhaust easy fix 2. Trans is made to last and it needs to be a comfy cruiser so there’s a tradeoff for this type of vehicle 3. Valid it should shred the tires more imo, idk if I can agree on the other points tho
It actually acts like a DCT after it gets to 3500 rpms because the torque converter fully locks up, shifts in like a tenth of a second which is as fast as a 458 Ferrari. On lower speeds is when it’s slow and when you are driving slowly you don’t care how fast your transmission shifts
If you spend time in it you will learn to appreciate it, the car has character that I can't explain. Just drive it for a day or two and you will know what I'm talking about. You can drive this thing for 5 years and still feel like the day you bought it❤
I bought a 2023 Lexus IS 350 F Sport last year, and I feel that way. It's just so smooth and feels good to be inside the cabin. I did consider getting an IS 500, but at the time, asking price was more than $15k to my already msrp of 52k, so I went with that instead. I love the drive and it's simple which is what I like. 3.5L NA V6 is good enough for me which gives 311 HP! 🔥
Lexus always does that with their transmissions Apparently someone can adjust the code in the programming to make it shift like a DCT but it would lead to service faster. Who knows how fast The 2IS shifts as fast as a DCT at times on its own spontaneously, so it’s capable of doing it obviously, it just needs the program to have it shift that way all of the time regardless of which variables dictate shift speed.
Lexus has a lot of safety features in their cars to help with their safety rating. Same thing in the GS F. You have to do a specific sequence upon startup to disable all safety features and even then the car will shift to second gear automatically when spinning the wheels too much and will lock you out of first gear
Honestly don't understand all of the hate in the comments, I'd agree with the comments on the transmission being unacceptable for the price. I love the IS500 and recognize it's an m340i fighter rather than an m3 fighter, as both prioritize luxury with sporty features so it's only natural it will be lacking compared to something like the ct4-v blackwing which I'd argue it does NOT compete with. It's an absolutely beautiful car with a fantastic sound (but I'd probably get some light mods) with lexus reliability and build quality. That being said, it's interior is getting dated to the point of being unacceptable for the price offered even though I personally don't mind it too much, and it does likely lose out to an m340i where handling is concerned, but it's still a fantastic sporty luxury sedan and almost certainly something I'll buy in 10 years for 25k since it'll last another 20 years with no issue!
I just think you missed the point of the car. The engine is a powerful v8 for the moments you want a little fun, but anyone buying a lexus isn't buying it to be a muscle car and go weekend drifting. They want a reliable family car that they can drive daily with the family. And on the drive to work when they are alone they can put their foot down every now and again, get the noise, get the acceleration and enjoy themselves. It's not my personal thing either, but for anyone over 45 who wants some fun but doesn't want to stand out, it's perfect.
As someone with an IS200t as a daily driver, I 100% would love the IS500. It’s like my third pick. After a Corvette. It’s equal to a Camaro and Mustang in terms of how much I like it.
I don’t know if it’s to early to tell how reliable they are i haven’t really seen anything about the quality but I know that Cadillac has a reputation for underline electronics so id rather buy the Lexus and tune it with the cost savings
@@awesomerthanyoutim20false, the LS platform was good in the late 2000’s but after AFM they’re ruined. Those lifters go out quick as hell and costs a small fortune to keep the car on the road.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20the engine may be reliable but the electronics suck on Cadillacs, my boss has a 2021 Escalade and their infotainment system keeps going out and it doesn’t even have 100k miles
All the thing you’re mentioning is why Lexus’s last so long and hold their value. M cars, V series and AMG cars are meant to be pounded on. These cars are for the occasional aggressive driver. The V series cars are nice, but will be in the shop in no time after purchasing it.
Reviewers like him talking crap about cars like they know them inside out after having them for a few days or a week and say what they have to say. Try owning one for years then talk about it. Never listen any of them when I shop around.
They give you a great baseline to start at when looking at cars. Anyone who owns a car for years is going to be biased one way or another. Listening to reviews lets you gauge what you want up front and you can cross off anything you don’t like.
A sports saloon can’t be a muscle car. Having V8 doesn’t make any car a muscle car, in addition that car is Comparable to M340i and C43 not to M3 or C63 simply because that IS it self isn’t a F car, despite having F engine. That 2UR dates back to S65 or M113K.
How do u go from this to a Mustang that’s like saying o I was considering an amg GT63s but I don’t like its seats so instead I just got a dodge scat pack
This is the car you travel from new york to florida in comfort. A blackwind is a car that competes with m3 4 door. Both rough hard cars not suited for multi thousand mile trips. If you dont want an ls500 because is too long then this is it. This reminds me of a e500 from mid 2000s
@@daviddavid1320 lol until you get obliterated by one then go sell your slow junk Lexus. Bimmers are better In every way including reliability. You want reliable stick to your Honda.
The basis is the same basis that every single car review on the internet agrees on. The CT4v BW outshines this car in every possible regard. Stop the bias.
I have a 03' Lexus with over 233,000 mi, there's a reason why this car is worth every penny you spend. Enough power & noise to have fun but reliability to outlast all its competitors.
@@Suyeonheeand the car drives like a old 70 year old couple in retirement. People need to understand that toyota aint making sports cars, so when people say toyota or lexus made this and its fast, is it fun though? If im paying 70k for a sports car, i want a sports car. Things are meant to break when you push the limit. M3-m4s, rs4-rs7s, black wings, q50s, and amgs will always be better than lexus. If you want reliable buy a corolla, if you want performance dont ever buy a lexus cuz thats not what they do.
The luxes is so worth it It will last longer due to beige more reliable and with the cost savings you could always tune it if your not okay with the performance
Fancy Chevy that makes almost 700 hp, sounds 100x better, better handling/suspension, better technology, has a manual trans like a proper sports car should, and just released a new generation with a confirmed commitment to the supercharged v8 and manual trans? Lexus seems disinterested in making sports cars and this is a miserable representation of that. The two cars are in very different price ranges but still, the CT5-V BW wins every time, day and night, against the IS-500 no matter which way you look at it.
The problem with the IS500 is that it’s a massive letdown. This car should have came out years ago. The V8 is more than enough to get you in trouble but it’s slow to everything else. The 70k+ price for this thing is not worth it. The interior is outdated, you can make excuses for Lexus but once you’re spending 70K+ an interior like that is just disappointing. 70K+ and you get the interior of a 2014 vehicle. The exterior is great, Lexus has always nailed its designs. But that’s it, Lexus makes beautiful cars that are too late to the market and overpriced. It’s the same reasons why the LFA failed and the GSF failed. Overpriced and too late to the game. Leaving the Lexus IS500 as one of the few V8 on the markets today. A sports sedan held back by its sluggish transmission, terrible pricing and lack of interior updates leave it at the bottom of the sport sedan world. If you want a V8, go buy any other one. You can buy a LT1 Camaro for half of the IS500 price and beat it any day of the week.
All cars are that way. Toyota = Lexus Ford = Lincoln and use to be Mercury as well Chevy = Buick= GMC = Cadillac Honda = Acura VW = Audi = Porsche = Lamborghini Nissan = Infiniti Very few brands are a standalone company.
Well it’s not meant to be a muscle car….so it isn’t going to act like one. The Japanese do an excellent job of designing cars like this for a purpose. And it’s not what you want it to be, which is fine. But don’t ask or expect it to be something it wasnt designed for.
Breaking traction is not what this car is for. It’s for those who want a little fun on the highway but don’t want to break the bank for a track weapon like an M3. This is more of a TLX Type S or an M340i competitor.
Bro. I i just want a V8 RWD car, don't care about tec just want things to work. The more simple and less complicated the car, the better. And the interior looks nice. it's a good-looking and sounding car that is probably far more reliable than its competitors. Don't need 1billion hp to enjoy a car.
They made a special version of the RC F a few years ago. A supposedly all in track car. Car and Driver asked Lexus why it didn't have track tires (for example Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2). The answer? " It is, after all, A Lexus."
As soon as he said "muscle car," I threw out everything he said prior. This is a touring car. It's powerful, comfortable, handles well, and is only loud when you want it to be. It doesn't need to be a Blackwing.
With all due respect, your arguments are absolutely silly! 1) It costs about 20-25k less than a BW. Supercharge this car for 13k and it will destroy every BW out there. 2) The sound is tamed but a catback exhaust for 3k will unleash its unholiness. 3) The car easily slides and drifts with traction off. Maybe hit some corners with no traction instead of driving in a straight line on the highway with traction on?
Lexus is something a car owner wants and needs to have. Not a car enthusiast, the reliability, comfort, and lack of useless bells and whistles is what makes a lexus so appealing. Can’t forget the timeless styling that ALL lexus models have and remain to have over the last few decades.
the traction thing is real. i want a car that breaks traction when im tryna get out of my parking space and then i have to regain traction 3/4 of the way down the road
Dude kind of missed the entire point of Lexus itself. They're aren't trying to build muscle cars that shred tires or go out of their way to build crazy fast supercars that are borderline unstable to drive. Lexus is all about the perfect mixture of luxury, reliability, experience and longevity. The LFA is an exception because it was their way to show the world that they can build amazing cars if they wanted to, while also showcasing their departure from their old design language and overall approach to their newer lineups (The LC500 for example).
People are dumb. Looking at cars like these and going "DURR HURR TOYOTA" would be like looking at a 911 and going "DURR HURR VW BEETLE." It's pretty silly
That’s a LEXUS ; king of reliability and you can haul a family in there while having fun beating many cars out there. Definitely another sleeper since it looks the same as other IS trims. I get the same feeling on my 2.0t sport accord it’s not on same level in performance as this car but I surprise onlookers 😝
Looked at buying this vs the Cadillac. The LF4 in the V with a 6 speed manual was so much more fun to drive. The IS wins in the looks dept, but that Lexus automatic transmission really mutes that engine.
I had one just like that and I loved the way it looked loved the way it felt in it. One day I was on the highway and I came across an Integra type S and when I tell you that the Integra left me behind so bad I remembered saying oh hell no I’m not paying this much for a car I can’t floor it and nothing happens. Literally nothing happens no torque no rush. It’s very pretty but very slow. I bought a 2022 Sonic Grey Accord 2.0T and wow The power is night and day difference.
The problem is you look at this like you look at a traditional tire shredding muscle car, and it’s not. This is a comfy crusing car with a gruff unkillable v8. Lexus is not trying to be a Cadillac it’s trying to be a Lexus. And from my time with a high mileage (200k) they are unkillable comfy cruisers with a beautiful note behind them
The problem is you didn't do your research and are talking out your a**. Lexus didn't want this car to be made they shut the idea down. A team in lexus made it secretly to show them that a v8 can be used in it and they secretly tracked the car too.
But I feel that's what the gs series should be not the is series. The is series should be spottier IMHO. But honestly I feel Japanese go only after other Japanese brands which is why people know them for their reliability not for the fun anymore. Toyota has it in them with the GR models showing they have the chops.
@@firetoyGS has been discontinued.
Amen to that brother.
A friend of mine is looking for family car. They have a budget of $120k. They have so many options but cant get a way from turning down Lexus because of a comfy and relaxing it drives
I wouldn’t exactly call up to $30,000+ extra “a little more” for the Blackwing
Edit: Before anyone tries to say it again, the $60k CT4 V Blackwing is a V6 while the V8 CT5 V is found at dealers for $100,000
Ct4 v blackwing exists
Doesn't matter, the V6 is still better
@@DesignerSkii V6 RWD Malibu
@@DesignerSkii We are talking about V8 muscle.
@@mez6256v6 twin turbo 4 door camaro
Might not have the power numbers people want but IMO it’s the best looking compact sport sedan
I agree
Alfa Romeo Giulia?
@@Ste3737Great argument! 🤔
@@Ste3737 close second I agree.
Reliable also
It’s not a “Japanese” muscle car (which is an oxymoron), it is a grand touring car. It’s refined, luxurious, and tame.
Exactly, the M3 users are not the target audience for a lexus
The fuck is a “Japanese muscle car”.. Disliked out of principle.
This is not a grand touring car. It’s too big. It’s decisively a muscle car.
fr when he said that i was like, “a…muscle car??”
@@yungrichnbroke5199 lol ok. If its “too big” then what is the LC500? LC500 is larger but is defined as a grand touring car
Mind you this car will last 20 years, the other guys won't.
Doubt it.
Yea buddy, those LS based engines are unreliable 🤦♂️
@@revengeof1307doubt what?
@@nicksterr2086 this car let alone any of these modern cars will be around 20 years from now.
@@revengeof1307 it's uses the same powertrain as the older models. The only difference is the interior informant and gauge cluster. So it already prove to last.
Car: Not a BMW
Miles: Not sure I can recommend it.
😁
Ill take a Guilia over a BMW.
@@bradkirchhoff5703
Any day any time
I wouldn’t either 🗣️
It will run forever w routine maintenance. We’ve had 4 Lexus over the years, perfect compared to the 3 BMWs we’ve owned. But I’ve had 3 BMW motorcycles that have been awesome 🤷🏽♂️
@@bradkirchhoff5703you don’t know what your talking about son
Bro a certified yapper, yapping and capping.
Thing is, he aint wrong.
The IS500 isn't worth the money. Full stop. If you could get a V8 camry for 50k sure, until then, there's 5-6 other cars for the same money that are SIGNIFICANTLY better.
@@shawndejong6699But also way less reliable and expensive to maintain.
@@sufyansmits6410 than what do we have the gs series for???
@BurnPerimeter As a reliable muscle car of course. But the guy up top is saying that there are faster cars. Yes but those won't running that long.
@@shawndejong6699 what are some examples?
The last V8 car that showed attitude decided to show it to the pedestrians too😂
Camaros, Corvettes, Challengers and Chargers show attitude and don’t have the mustang problem. Although they’re discontinued except for the Corvette
High torque on mustangs :p
@@goofy_xf6223 by "the last V8 car" I meant the only American muscle car left
You don’t understand Lexus my friend. This car isn’t for someone so young. Yes, I said it.
I’m 23 and enjoy my IS350
Not necessarily young but Sophisticated
@@AltezzaGang15 Beast. I turned 27 yesterday and got a 1997 Lexus LS400 a few weeks ago. Couldn't be happier
I’m 20 and due to my fortunate circumstances I’ve got an IS500. I love it!
22 and love my 2018 IS300 V6
Yeah probably disregard what this guy’s opinions are on Lexus
What he said is still very truthful wether you’re happy to hear it or not
@cm-15 "this 150hp base model civic, I'd recommend you spend a little more and get a Ferrari, it doesn't have much power for a racecar because that's what a racecar is all about" this guy's an idiot
@@cm-15it is not a muscle car. Learn about Lexus as a company before trying to place your expectations for what they design and build. This vehicle is designed to be the crossbreed between a daily driver and a performance vehicle. It was not intended to be a demon killer or the next drag king. It’s designed to give you the ability to enjoy the amenities of most daily drivers such as suspension, cabin noise, fuel economy, and etc. While also giving car enthusiasts who enjoy performance some of that with the V8 they slapped inside. So if you’re someone that prefers to have a comfortable ride, lots of tech on the interior, good gas mileage, and a taste of performance to give you a little bit of a thrill. Then you’ll love this car. It’s not meant for people looking to go toe to toe with a Hellcat or BMW competition series. So hold onto your criticism just because this car doesn’t meet your specific requirements. Go pay the extra 20 to 40 grand more for a vehicle that is solely intended for performance and sacrifices in other areas that this vehicle doesn’t. Let other car enthusiasts who can appreciate what this car delivers enjoy it while passing you by as you sit at the gas station for the third time in a week.
@@knightmare4202Show us on the doll where he hurt you.
You: points directly at the ass
@@cm-15nah he just complained the whole video 😂
They said the EXACT same thing about the SC 430, now that car is considered an underrated classic. People forget that Lexus is a luxury car first, sports car second.
Bro said you can spend a little more for a black wing as in 40k+ 😭
This dude is wrong 1000%. Lexus does not compete with Cadillac, Audi, Genesis, not Infinity. Nope, Lexus were meant to compete head on with Mercedes Benz. Their billion dollars Lexus research program was targeted at what Mercedes Benz customers wanted and how they behave in a daily basis.
If you just want luxury, go get a is300/350. This is a sports sedan and it 100% competes with other sports sedans that people are cross shopping. Idgaf what Lexus was trying to compete with, buyers will cross shop either way.
@@Kraize92is350/300 is js a boring car in terms of performance, icl, not a sports sedan, js smth more upmarket for those who want a nicer Camry. Still a chill vehicle tho
@@Kraize92 no it's not. do you consider an S500 a sports sedan?
@@Yo-gm3le300hp rwd sedan isn’t sporty?
@@reallydawg5987 Chevy impala also makes 300 hp, ig that’s also a sports sedan now?
This is my dream car. You get toyota reliability, powerful v8, luxurious interior, and a very classy exterior look. Miscellaneous stuff like sound you could very easily fix with aftermarket stuff.
The black wing feels like a fancy takeover car and sure these M cars are proven names in the car scene with everything you could want but the is500 has everything you need.
Idk how you can affordably replace the transmission tho and many people have concurred that despite the engine that's what lets it down the most
“Fancy takeover car” lol that is the dumbest shit i ever read on here. You probably aren’t even old enough to drive
Dream bigger bro
@@blaze3007
The transmission is an absolute gem. Soft when you are cruising, sharp when you are pushing it. People just don't know how to use it; car reviewers to be specific.
It has one of the fastest non-DCT shifts!
@@yousef.al-assaf I agree. It cruises when you want to cruise, and (provided it's warmed up) it'll tear things up when you want, too. The biggest "problem" with the transmission is how warm the TCU wants the transmission to be before it'll really let you tear things up. It's the only thing that annoys me about the car. But once it's warmed up it's quite good. A lot of the complaints about the transmission are probably people jumping in the car and wanting to beat on it from cold and wondering why it doesn't want to play yet. On the other hand, I would like to keep this car for 10+ years, so the TCU prohibiting one from abusing the transmission when cold is a good thing. My buddy's M440i would let me tear stuff up maybe less than five minutes after the car was started. ZF8s are good, but I don't see how that can be healthy for the trans long term if one were to beat on it cold frequently.
Hellcat owners when they find a car that’s for comfort and reliability not for going to intersections and doing circles
Damn 😂😂
The value on that barely decrease, that mfer can have 100k miles on the dash and still be going for 60k 😂😂
Msrp is 56k
@@mez6256He was over exaggerating but he is right. I found one with 100k miles going for $30k
@@mez6256thats for is350 fully loaded my friend not is500
Then why didn’t the IS-F do that
@@TheRzarectahlol isf are from 2008 still going for 24k regularly
It's a luxury car man not a track car 💁🏾♂️
can be used on the track as well
@@andrelopez182 WHY would you????
I was just about to say that
Well it isn’t very luxurious so Lexus really needs to figure it out.
I drove the 340I and S4. the quality in the Lexus is superior and overall Drive funner not to mention the look.Would not chose a 340 over this for half a second quicker. No one cares.
The day you want to sell this car youll get more $$ for it over the germans.
The black wing is a beast it cost way more than the Lexus and is not even close to refinement and reliability of the Lexus V8. 60,000 miles later the Lexus will have better resale value and not need a engine.
Blackwing won't depreciate like a reg Caddy
Both are considered modern classics by journalists, but the market still favors the Cadillac. According to forecast experts, a Manual CT4-V or a CT5-V Blackwing will hold its value better than the IS500 despite’s Lexus’ proven reliability. Remember this is not the more collectible IS-F nameplate.
I would say a supercharged intercooled 6.2l v8 with the option of manual or 10 speed auto and is more refined than a 5.0l naturally aspirated dohc v8 that has only been mated to 8spd and 10spd autos. Ford has been making the same thing as Lexus for years now plus I think most coyote owners would call their motors pretty reliable
V series Cadillacs don't depreciate like regular Cadillacs do.
I wrote a comment without reading the comments. And now i have had a read, im very happy. It seems everyone but the reviewer gets what this lexus is for. It's a cruiser. It's a fun family car. Good job gents 👏
I also wanted to do the same and was surprised to see the comments overwhelmingly in support of Lexus.
It’s not in Lexus’ ethos to make a power hungry, tire shedding, drift machine. It’s a capable, comfy, reliable compact that’s still fun to drive. Also don’t pretend that there aren’t exhaust kits for the is500 and the isf if you want it to be louder.
The IS500 will become a sought after enthusiast car soon after they discontinue it and everyone will be asking "why did no one buy it? Its such a bargain for what you're getting". Im hoping to get one soon cuz i love n/a v8's
Just to correct you, this isn’t a muscle car, it’s a grand tourer.
Bro it's a lexus not a m3
you subconsciously understand how hopefully unequipped the IS500 is because you're comparing whole brands to a singular car model.
the m340i, m440i, m550i is completely better than the is500 and y'all know it.
@@deadhouseplants64the BMWs are better. Sadly Lexus once again fails at properly introducing and handling another V8 model. The LFA, GSF, and RCF are all failures. No not because they suck. But because they all came out overpriced and were handled poorly. You have dealers pushing out ES and RX models and then you have one LFA or one GSF in the showroom just sitting when most Lexus buyers simply don’t care about those models. Lexus just doesn’t prioritize its performance line enough to let them truly shine. The RCF costs a stacking 70-100K and IS500 costs a whopping 70k+ just way overpriced for what it is.
@@deadhouseplants64no its not i want something extremely reliable and for me bmw is not it.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 you want something reliable enough that you can abuse regularly scheduled maintenance, and in exchange you get a lethargic, unadvanced machine from 2013.
@@deadhouseplants64you sound like someone who drives an electric 🤮
Steve Urkel here is trying to convince us not to buy a car that will last 30 years just because it doesn’t shreds its tires on the highway
True but remember this is a 80k car if you have that type of money your not keepin this car for decades 😂😂 unless u start building it
He's right, it's an overpriced Toyota. If you're coughing up $80-90k for a super saloon most will take an M3. You must be an old man because that's who drive these Lexus sedans and coupes.
Not at all the message here brother, he is expressing his disappointment in hopes lexus can put out a vehicle more capble to compete with modern muscle cars
Ok then why not spend half as much and get a 5 year old RCF to drive for 25 years in that case
Spend half the money and get the old IS-F. It's the same car, and the IS F might actually be better because it's a real F car.
It's not an American muscle car with a V8. It's a Japanese luxury car... that happens to have a V8. You're reviewing the car while putting the wrong expectations on it. Don't force your own preferences on a car that's not meant for you.
Well it’s the same price as cars that do just that. So it’s going to be cross shopped regardless, maybe it should be cheaper if you don’t want the comparison.
@@cm-15 Just because it’s the same price doesn’t mean it’s the same product. An apple and an orange are similarly priced, but different.
He speaks so well, so confident , the problem is I’ve been a mechanic for 4 years and car salesman for 5 years. HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT. Go report on the weather or something
No wonder why most American muscle cars love pedestrians more than the road, to me its a compliment if a car's rwd and acts like an awd, shows how well balanced it is. And its a TOYOTA, that things gonna be running fine even after a long long time while your germans and americans are gonna have problems after the first year, specially the new germans
Tell me you’ve never owned anything German/American or never done proper maintainence without telling
Me:
@@Yo-gm3le properly maintain a toyota and properly maintain a german or american car,
Which one's running more?
@@twinex7248 whichever on is the best taken care of 😂
My cousins have owned Audis, Mercedes, BMW and Lexus and the only car that gave them issues was the Lexus 🤷♂️
It’s a lot closer than we think
@@Yo-gm3le where i live cars take a beating on a daily basis because of bad roads and let me tell you this everyone prefers toyota because of their reliability and robustness
@@Yo-gm3lethe only car they didn’t take any care of then lol.
1. Get an exhaust easy fix
2. Trans is made to last and it needs to be a comfy cruiser so there’s a tradeoff for this type of vehicle
3. Valid it should shred the tires more imo, idk if I can agree on the other points tho
It actually acts like a DCT after it gets to 3500 rpms because the torque converter fully locks up, shifts in like a tenth of a second which is as fast as a 458 Ferrari. On lower speeds is when it’s slow and when you are driving slowly you don’t care how fast your transmission shifts
It’s not made to be a muscle car, but more like a luxury sedan which happened to have a big engine. Plus it’s gonna last longer than you so 🤷
This car will hold its value
If you spend time in it you will learn to appreciate it, the car has character that I can't explain. Just drive it for a day or two and you will know what I'm talking about.
You can drive this thing for 5 years and still feel like the day you bought it❤
I bought a 2023 Lexus IS 350 F Sport last year, and I feel that way. It's just so smooth and feels good to be inside the cabin. I did consider getting an IS 500, but at the time, asking price was more than $15k to my already msrp of 52k, so I went with that instead. I love the drive and it's simple which is what I like. 3.5L NA V6 is good enough for me which gives 311 HP! 🔥
Lexus always does that with their transmissions
Apparently someone can adjust the code in the programming to make it shift like a DCT but it would lead to service faster. Who knows how fast
The 2IS shifts as fast as a DCT at times on its own spontaneously, so it’s capable of doing it obviously, it just needs the program to have it shift that way all of the time regardless of which variables dictate shift speed.
Have you done rcf? Ik it’s the same thing but just saying
Haven't tried it yet but I'd definitely like to
@@CarswithMilesdon’t because you will suck in reviewing it
@@lexuslfa4739 Bro this comment is so mean yet so funny I can't stop laughing hahhahahaha
This sounds like nitpicking not downsides
Look at him what else you expect. This is why I hate RUclips anyone can get on here and become an "expert".
@@elir.torres8642 agreed, it sounds like he's complaining about that Lexus because its not a Cadillac
Its just a better scat pack. 4 door heavy rwd sedan, same power, except its way more reliable and way better interior, and less likely to be stolen
Lexus has a lot of safety features in their cars to help with their safety rating. Same thing in the GS F. You have to do a specific sequence upon startup to disable all safety features and even then the car will shift to second gear automatically when spinning the wheels too much and will lock you out of first gear
It’s definitely an interesting car
THE NOOB IS YOU
What’s up?
Honestly don't understand all of the hate in the comments, I'd agree with the comments on the transmission being unacceptable for the price. I love the IS500 and recognize it's an m340i fighter rather than an m3 fighter, as both prioritize luxury with sporty features so it's only natural it will be lacking compared to something like the ct4-v blackwing which I'd argue it does NOT compete with. It's an absolutely beautiful car with a fantastic sound (but I'd probably get some light mods) with lexus reliability and build quality. That being said, it's interior is getting dated to the point of being unacceptable for the price offered even though I personally don't mind it too much, and it does likely lose out to an m340i where handling is concerned, but it's still a fantastic sporty luxury sedan and almost certainly something I'll buy in 10 years for 25k since it'll last another 20 years with no issue!
Bro wants a scat 🤣
I just think you missed the point of the car. The engine is a powerful v8 for the moments you want a little fun, but anyone buying a lexus isn't buying it to be a muscle car and go weekend drifting. They want a reliable family car that they can drive daily with the family. And on the drive to work when they are alone they can put their foot down every now and again, get the noise, get the acceleration and enjoy themselves. It's not my personal thing either, but for anyone over 45 who wants some fun but doesn't want to stand out, it's perfect.
As someone with an IS200t as a daily driver, I 100% would love the IS500. It’s like my third pick. After a Corvette.
It’s equal to a Camaro and Mustang in terms of how much I like it.
I’m on my second Lexus and they are put together well!
when did Black wings become reliable ...
I don’t know if it’s to early to tell how reliable they are i haven’t really seen anything about the quality but I know that Cadillac has a reputation for underline electronics so id rather buy the Lexus and tune it with the cost savings
The cadillacs are ls engine platform, those ls are super reliable.
LF4 engines have been in production since 2016. They're pretty damn reliable.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20false, the LS platform was good in the late 2000’s but after AFM they’re ruined. Those lifters go out quick as hell and costs a small fortune to keep the car on the road.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20the engine may be reliable but the electronics suck on Cadillacs, my boss has a 2021 Escalade and their infotainment system keeps going out and it doesn’t even have 100k miles
All the thing you’re mentioning is why Lexus’s last so long and hold their value. M cars, V series and AMG cars are meant to be pounded on. These cars are for the occasional aggressive driver.
The V series cars are nice, but will be in the shop in no time after purchasing it.
Reviewers like him talking crap about cars like they know them inside out after having them for a few days or a week and say what they have to say. Try owning one for years then talk about it. Never listen any of them when I shop around.
They give you a great baseline to start at when looking at cars. Anyone who owns a car for years is going to be biased one way or another. Listening to reviews lets you gauge what you want up front and you can cross off anything you don’t like.
Making a backhanded video on such a rare gem nowadays is crazy
A sports saloon can’t be a muscle car.
Having V8 doesn’t make any car a muscle car, in addition that car is Comparable to M340i and C43 not to M3 or C63 simply because that IS it self isn’t a F car, despite having F engine. That 2UR dates back to S65 or M113K.
Owned mine for over a year now and love every moment I'm behind the wheel.
If only it came in a manual i might have looked into getting this. Ended up getting a Mustang instead
How do u go from this to a Mustang that’s like saying o I was considering an amg GT63s but I don’t like its seats so instead I just got a dodge scat pack
@@poglant because mustangs are actually sporty and set records
@@poglantBecause the GT350 is a better can in literally every way. Are you serious?
This is the car you travel from new york to florida in comfort. A blackwind is a car that competes with m3 4 door. Both rough hard cars not suited for multi thousand mile trips. If you dont want an ls500 because is too long then this is it. This reminds me of a e500 from mid 2000s
Why would buy this over an M?
Someone looking to keep either car more than 5+ years might consider the Lexus for cost of ownership and reliability I would think
is500 wasn't made to be an 'm' equivalent, m-sport equivalent yes, but a full blown m competitor no
@@Riznaztis58 👁️👅👁️ reliability
16000 reasons
@@daviddavid1320 lol until you get obliterated by one then go sell your slow junk Lexus. Bimmers are better In every way including reliability. You want reliable stick to your Honda.
The maintenance that comes with excitement, is sometimes more than anticipated.
Yeah, your review sucks. No basis for your complaints. The fact that you'd choose a cadillac over a lexus tells us all what we need to know.
The basis is the same basis that every single car review on the internet agrees on. The CT4v BW outshines this car in every possible regard. Stop the bias.
I have a 03' Lexus with over 233,000 mi, there's a reason why this car is worth every penny you spend. Enough power & noise to have fun but reliability to outlast all its competitors.
Isnt the blackwing 100k thats almost 50% more for a fancy chevy lexus is better
Soo by that logic, Lexus is just a fancy Toyota.
@@Suyeonheeand the car drives like a old 70 year old couple in retirement. People need to understand that toyota aint making sports cars, so when people say toyota or lexus made this and its fast, is it fun though? If im paying 70k for a sports car, i want a sports car. Things are meant to break when you push the limit. M3-m4s, rs4-rs7s, black wings, q50s, and amgs will always be better than lexus. If you want reliable buy a corolla, if you want performance dont ever buy a lexus cuz thats not what they do.
@@CrashoutLee🧢
The luxes is so worth it
It will last longer due to beige more reliable and with the cost savings you could always tune it if your not okay with the performance
Fancy Chevy that makes almost 700 hp, sounds 100x better, better handling/suspension, better technology, has a manual trans like a proper sports car should, and just released a new generation with a confirmed commitment to the supercharged v8 and manual trans? Lexus seems disinterested in making sports cars and this is a miserable representation of that. The two cars are in very different price ranges but still, the CT5-V BW wins every time, day and night, against the IS-500 no matter which way you look at it.
Sounds like minor compromises for a bullet proof fun car that will last you a lifetime
The things is those aren’t minor comprises and for a benefit that is minimal.
The problem with the IS500 is that it’s a massive letdown. This car should have came out years ago. The V8 is more than enough to get you in trouble but it’s slow to everything else. The 70k+ price for this thing is not worth it. The interior is outdated, you can make excuses for Lexus but once you’re spending 70K+ an interior like that is just disappointing. 70K+ and you get the interior of a 2014 vehicle. The exterior is great, Lexus has always nailed its designs. But that’s it, Lexus makes beautiful cars that are too late to the market and overpriced. It’s the same reasons why the LFA failed and the GSF failed. Overpriced and too late to the game. Leaving the Lexus IS500 as one of the few V8 on the markets today. A sports sedan held back by its sluggish transmission, terrible pricing and lack of interior updates leave it at the bottom of the sport sedan world. If you want a V8, go buy any other one. You can buy a LT1 Camaro for half of the IS500 price and beat it any day of the week.
LFA cost 3x more now in alot of countries. Think you failed.
@@comments7335in a lot of countries most cars cost more due to low numbers of export and being far away from their general manufacturing plants
I mean, all of those things except the transmission are easily handled. Turn off traction control... get a louder exhaust.
your trash black wing and bmw will fall apart in 5 years lexus cars are a masterpiece
This is a Lexus
Lexus isn’t what you described.
Lexus has its own league, and is definitely the ultimate car in that league
There is no such thing as a Japanese muscle car. If its not an American V8 powered coupe then its not a muscle car
Lexus RC F, Toyota Supra Turbo, Lexus LC 500, Acura NSX, Nissan GT-R track addition. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Vlll, Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition.
@edwingross9778 damn i didn't know toyota, Nissan, and honda where American brands, and i didn't know supra was a v8
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Dang, we're gatekeeping the definition of muscle cars now? Are you that insecure about it being Japanese and not "American?"
@tatsuhirosatou5513 Well toyota have car plants in the USA and America got car plants in China, Canada and Mexico.
@@Kraize92none of those he listed are muscle lmaooo
Cool review. I agree w/you. At that, everything polite about it is why I love this on the street. My opinion.
It's a camry with a fuckin Lexus badge
All cars are that way.
Toyota = Lexus
Ford = Lincoln and use to be Mercury as well
Chevy = Buick= GMC = Cadillac
Honda = Acura
VW = Audi = Porsche = Lamborghini
Nissan = Infiniti
Very few brands are a standalone company.
your just mad americans can not make masterpiece cars
That's the ES
@half23 no shit it's a joke
@@Silent4kill9 oooooh. That was a joke? I didn’t realize it. My bad. LOL.
Well it’s not meant to be a muscle car….so it isn’t going to act like one.
The Japanese do an excellent job of designing cars like this for a purpose.
And it’s not what you want it to be, which is fine. But don’t ask or expect it to be something it wasnt designed for.
Bro, it's a lexus. That's the way it's supposed to be
When others are chilling in the workshop this car will outlive it's owners 😂
For the refresh it's supposed to keep the v8 but get the 10 speed auto from the lc500
Sounds like an exhaust and tune would solve your "problems". And it will completely decimate the others on reliability
Its worth every penny. That v8 is glorious
Breaking traction is not what this car is for. It’s for those who want a little fun on the highway but don’t want to break the bank for a track weapon like an M3. This is more of a TLX Type S or an M340i competitor.
Lexus v8 + porsche pdk in an mid engine configuration would be freaking INSANE
Bro. I i just want a V8 RWD car, don't care about tec just want things to work. The more simple and less complicated the car, the better. And the interior looks nice. it's a good-looking and sounding car that is probably far more reliable than its competitors. Don't need 1billion hp to enjoy a car.
This man doesn't know what a Lexus is about.
They made a special version of the RC F a few years ago. A supposedly all in track car. Car and Driver asked Lexus why it didn't have track tires (for example Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2). The answer? " It is, after all, A Lexus."
A beautiful car
V8 goodness
As soon as he said "muscle car," I threw out everything he said prior. This is a touring car. It's powerful, comfortable, handles well, and is only loud when you want it to be. It doesn't need to be a Blackwing.
With all due respect, your arguments are absolutely silly!
1) It costs about 20-25k less than a BW. Supercharge this car for 13k and it will destroy every BW out there.
2) The sound is tamed but a catback exhaust for 3k will unleash its unholiness.
3) The car easily slides and drifts with traction off. Maybe hit some corners with no traction instead of driving in a straight line on the highway with traction on?
I've never looked at any lexus as a muscle car.
Too polite? Lord Jesus, this isn’t a Dodge/Stellantis product. 🤭 By the sales numbers, Lexus doesn’t need the recommendation. 😎
Whew... T, glad you saw this too. He clearly doesn't understand the IS500. IMO the closest American (actually Australian) car was the Chevy SS.
The fact that you said it's a rwd that feels like an awd makes me want it even more 😂
This is a great car. Looks, comfort, space.
Lexus is something a car owner wants and needs to have. Not a car enthusiast, the reliability, comfort, and lack of useless bells and whistles is what makes a lexus so appealing. Can’t forget the timeless styling that ALL lexus models have and remain to have over the last few decades.
Good review dude.
the traction thing is real. i want a car that breaks traction when im tryna get out of my parking space and then i have to regain traction 3/4 of the way down the road
you nailed it exactly exactly. Understated and underwhelming.
I would find a gently used GSF . The backseat is actually usable.
Umm Lexus is a luxury brand not a muscle car 👁️👄👁️
I don’t think buddy understood what Lexus was trying to do with this vehicle lol.
Dude kind of missed the entire point of Lexus itself. They're aren't trying to build muscle cars that shred tires or go out of their way to build crazy fast supercars that are borderline unstable to drive. Lexus is all about the perfect mixture of luxury, reliability, experience and longevity. The LFA is an exception because it was their way to show the world that they can build amazing cars if they wanted to, while also showcasing their departure from their old design language and overall approach to their newer lineups (The LC500 for example).
That’s what people said about the LFA and GSF. “Too expensive for a Toyota”. Look at how much those cars are valued now
People are dumb. Looking at cars like these and going "DURR HURR TOYOTA" would be like looking at a 911 and going "DURR HURR VW BEETLE." It's pretty silly
It’s actually the same transmission as the RC F.
I completely agree
That’s a LEXUS ; king of reliability and you can haul a family in there while having fun beating many cars out there. Definitely another sleeper since it looks the same as other IS trims. I get the same feeling on my 2.0t sport accord it’s not on same level in performance as this car but I surprise onlookers 😝
Just as a cadillac isn't as refined and smooth as a lexus
Looked at buying this vs the Cadillac. The LF4 in the V with a 6 speed manual was so much more fun to drive. The IS wins in the looks dept, but that Lexus automatic transmission really mutes that engine.
this is NOT, a cadillac v series, it is a lexus ls. They are iconic in their own right
Good review. Thx
The caddy would definitely be in the shop way than this Lexus guaranteed 💯💪🏽
So tune and exhaust I'm sure that's less than. Paying an extra for the blackwing seems silly except I like the look of the Cadillac.
I had one just like that and I loved the way it looked loved the way it felt in it. One day I was on the highway and I came across an Integra type S and when I tell you that the Integra left me behind so bad I remembered saying oh hell no I’m not paying this much for a car I can’t floor it and nothing happens. Literally nothing happens no torque no rush. It’s very pretty but very slow. I bought a 2022 Sonic Grey Accord 2.0T and wow The power is night and day difference.