The problem is you look at this like you look at a traditional tire shredding muscle car, and it’s not. This is a comfy crusing car with a gruff unkillable v8. Lexus is not trying to be a Cadillac it’s trying to be a Lexus. And from my time with a high mileage (200k) they are unkillable comfy cruisers with a beautiful note behind them
The problem is you didn't do your research and are talking out your a**. Lexus didn't want this car to be made they shut the idea down. A team in lexus made it secretly to show them that a v8 can be used in it and they secretly tracked the car too.
But I feel that's what the gs series should be not the is series. The is series should be spottier IMHO. But honestly I feel Japanese go only after other Japanese brands which is why people know them for their reliability not for the fun anymore. Toyota has it in them with the GR models showing they have the chops.
A friend of mine is looking for family car. They have a budget of $120k. They have so many options but cant get a way from turning down Lexus because of a comfy and relaxing it drives
I wouldn’t exactly call up to $30,000+ extra “a little more” for the Blackwing Edit: Before anyone tries to say it again, the $60k CT4 V Blackwing is a V6 while the V8 CT5 V is found at dealers for $100,000
@@revengeof1307 it's uses the same powertrain as the older models. The only difference is the interior informant and gauge cluster. So it already prove to last.
He speaks so well, so confident , the problem is I’ve been a mechanic for 4 years and car salesman for 5 years. HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT. Go report on the weather or something
It will run forever w routine maintenance. We’ve had 4 Lexus over the years, perfect compared to the 3 BMWs we’ve owned. But I’ve had 3 BMW motorcycles that have been awesome 🤷🏽♂️
Thing is, he aint wrong. The IS500 isn't worth the money. Full stop. If you could get a V8 camry for 50k sure, until then, there's 5-6 other cars for the same money that are SIGNIFICANTLY better.
@cm-15 "this 150hp base model civic, I'd recommend you spend a little more and get a Ferrari, it doesn't have much power for a racecar because that's what a racecar is all about" this guy's an idiot
@@cm-15it is not a muscle car. Learn about Lexus as a company before trying to place your expectations for what they design and build. This vehicle is designed to be the crossbreed between a daily driver and a performance vehicle. It was not intended to be a demon killer or the next drag king. It’s designed to give you the ability to enjoy the amenities of most daily drivers such as suspension, cabin noise, fuel economy, and etc. While also giving car enthusiasts who enjoy performance some of that with the V8 they slapped inside. So if you’re someone that prefers to have a comfortable ride, lots of tech on the interior, good gas mileage, and a taste of performance to give you a little bit of a thrill. Then you’ll love this car. It’s not meant for people looking to go toe to toe with a Hellcat or BMW competition series. So hold onto your criticism just because this car doesn’t meet your specific requirements. Go pay the extra 20 to 40 grand more for a vehicle that is solely intended for performance and sacrifices in other areas that this vehicle doesn’t. Let other car enthusiasts who can appreciate what this car delivers enjoy it while passing you by as you sit at the gas station for the third time in a week.
They said the EXACT same thing about the SC 430, now that car is considered an underrated classic. People forget that Lexus is a luxury car first, sports car second.
This is my dream car. You get toyota reliability, powerful v8, luxurious interior, and a very classy exterior look. Miscellaneous stuff like sound you could very easily fix with aftermarket stuff. The black wing feels like a fancy takeover car and sure these M cars are proven names in the car scene with everything you could want but the is500 has everything you need.
@@blaze3007 The transmission is an absolute gem. Soft when you are cruising, sharp when you are pushing it. People just don't know how to use it; car reviewers to be specific. It has one of the fastest non-DCT shifts!
@@yousef.al-assaf I agree. It cruises when you want to cruise, and (provided it's warmed up) it'll tear things up when you want, too. The biggest "problem" with the transmission is how warm the TCU wants the transmission to be before it'll really let you tear things up. It's the only thing that annoys me about the car. But once it's warmed up it's quite good. A lot of the complaints about the transmission are probably people jumping in the car and wanting to beat on it from cold and wondering why it doesn't want to play yet. On the other hand, I would like to keep this car for 10+ years, so the TCU prohibiting one from abusing the transmission when cold is a good thing. My buddy's M440i would let me tear stuff up maybe less than five minutes after the car was started. ZF8s are good, but I don't see how that can be healthy for the trans long term if one were to beat on it cold frequently.
It’s not in Lexus’ ethos to make a power hungry, tire shedding, drift machine. It’s a capable, comfy, reliable compact that’s still fun to drive. Also don’t pretend that there aren’t exhaust kits for the is500 and the isf if you want it to be louder.
The black wing is a beast it cost way more than the Lexus and is not even close to refinement and reliability of the Lexus V8. 60,000 miles later the Lexus will have better resale value and not need a engine.
Both are considered modern classics by journalists, but the market still favors the Cadillac. According to forecast experts, a Manual CT4-V or a CT5-V Blackwing will hold its value better than the IS500 despite’s Lexus’ proven reliability. Remember this is not the more collectible IS-F nameplate.
I would say a supercharged intercooled 6.2l v8 with the option of manual or 10 speed auto and is more refined than a 5.0l naturally aspirated dohc v8 that has only been mated to 8spd and 10spd autos. Ford has been making the same thing as Lexus for years now plus I think most coyote owners would call their motors pretty reliable
This dude is wrong 1000%. Lexus does not compete with Cadillac, Audi, Genesis, not Infinity. Nope, Lexus were meant to compete head on with Mercedes Benz. Their billion dollars Lexus research program was targeted at what Mercedes Benz customers wanted and how they behave in a daily basis.
If you just want luxury, go get a is300/350. This is a sports sedan and it 100% competes with other sports sedans that people are cross shopping. Idgaf what Lexus was trying to compete with, buyers will cross shop either way.
@@Kraize92is350/300 is js a boring car in terms of performance, icl, not a sports sedan, js smth more upmarket for those who want a nicer Camry. Still a chill vehicle tho
I wrote a comment without reading the comments. And now i have had a read, im very happy. It seems everyone but the reviewer gets what this lexus is for. It's a cruiser. It's a fun family car. Good job gents 👏
No wonder why most American muscle cars love pedestrians more than the road, to me its a compliment if a car's rwd and acts like an awd, shows how well balanced it is. And its a TOYOTA, that things gonna be running fine even after a long long time while your germans and americans are gonna have problems after the first year, specially the new germans
@@twinex7248 whichever on is the best taken care of 😂 My cousins have owned Audis, Mercedes, BMW and Lexus and the only car that gave them issues was the Lexus 🤷♂️ It’s a lot closer than we think
@@Yo-gm3le where i live cars take a beating on a daily basis because of bad roads and let me tell you this everyone prefers toyota because of their reliability and robustness
The IS500 will become a sought after enthusiast car soon after they discontinue it and everyone will be asking "why did no one buy it? Its such a bargain for what you're getting". Im hoping to get one soon cuz i love n/a v8's
It's not an American muscle car with a V8. It's a Japanese luxury car... that happens to have a V8. You're reviewing the car while putting the wrong expectations on it. Don't force your own preferences on a car that's not meant for you.
Well it’s the same price as cars that do just that. So it’s going to be cross shopped regardless, maybe it should be cheaper if you don’t want the comparison.
I drove the 340I and S4. the quality in the Lexus is superior and overall Drive funner not to mention the look.Would not chose a 340 over this for half a second quicker. No one cares. The day you want to sell this car youll get more $$ for it over the germans.
He's right, it's an overpriced Toyota. If you're coughing up $80-90k for a super saloon most will take an M3. You must be an old man because that's who drive these Lexus sedans and coupes.
Not at all the message here brother, he is expressing his disappointment in hopes lexus can put out a vehicle more capble to compete with modern muscle cars
Honestly don't understand all of the hate in the comments, I'd agree with the comments on the transmission being unacceptable for the price. I love the IS500 and recognize it's an m340i fighter rather than an m3 fighter, as both prioritize luxury with sporty features so it's only natural it will be lacking compared to something like the ct4-v blackwing which I'd argue it does NOT compete with. It's an absolutely beautiful car with a fantastic sound (but I'd probably get some light mods) with lexus reliability and build quality. That being said, it's interior is getting dated to the point of being unacceptable for the price offered even though I personally don't mind it too much, and it does likely lose out to an m340i where handling is concerned, but it's still a fantastic sporty luxury sedan and almost certainly something I'll buy in 10 years for 25k since it'll last another 20 years with no issue!
1. Get an exhaust easy fix 2. Trans is made to last and it needs to be a comfy cruiser so there’s a tradeoff for this type of vehicle 3. Valid it should shred the tires more imo, idk if I can agree on the other points tho
It actually acts like a DCT after it gets to 3500 rpms because the torque converter fully locks up, shifts in like a tenth of a second which is as fast as a 458 Ferrari. On lower speeds is when it’s slow and when you are driving slowly you don’t care how fast your transmission shifts
All the thing you’re mentioning is why Lexus’s last so long and hold their value. M cars, V series and AMG cars are meant to be pounded on. These cars are for the occasional aggressive driver. The V series cars are nice, but will be in the shop in no time after purchasing it.
you subconsciously understand how hopefully unequipped the IS500 is because you're comparing whole brands to a singular car model. the m340i, m440i, m550i is completely better than the is500 and y'all know it.
@@deadhouseplants64the BMWs are better. Sadly Lexus once again fails at properly introducing and handling another V8 model. The LFA, GSF, and RCF are all failures. No not because they suck. But because they all came out overpriced and were handled poorly. You have dealers pushing out ES and RX models and then you have one LFA or one GSF in the showroom just sitting when most Lexus buyers simply don’t care about those models. Lexus just doesn’t prioritize its performance line enough to let them truly shine. The RCF costs a stacking 70-100K and IS500 costs a whopping 70k+ just way overpriced for what it is.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 you want something reliable enough that you can abuse regularly scheduled maintenance, and in exchange you get a lethargic, unadvanced machine from 2013.
I have a 03' Lexus with over 233,000 mi, there's a reason why this car is worth every penny you spend. Enough power & noise to have fun but reliability to outlast all its competitors.
Dude kind of missed the entire point of Lexus itself. They're aren't trying to build muscle cars that shred tires or go out of their way to build crazy fast supercars that are borderline unstable to drive. Lexus is all about the perfect mixture of luxury, reliability, experience and longevity. The LFA is an exception because it was their way to show the world that they can build amazing cars if they wanted to, while also showcasing their departure from their old design language and overall approach to their newer lineups (The LC500 for example).
Breaking traction is not what this car is for. It’s for those who want a little fun on the highway but don’t want to break the bank for a track weapon like an M3. This is more of a TLX Type S or an M340i competitor.
If you spend time in it you will learn to appreciate it, the car has character that I can't explain. Just drive it for a day or two and you will know what I'm talking about. You can drive this thing for 5 years and still feel like the day you bought it❤
I bought a 2023 Lexus IS 350 F Sport last year, and I feel that way. It's just so smooth and feels good to be inside the cabin. I did consider getting an IS 500, but at the time, asking price was more than $15k to my already msrp of 52k, so I went with that instead. I love the drive and it's simple which is what I like. 3.5L NA V6 is good enough for me which gives 311 HP! 🔥
Lexus always does that with their transmissions Apparently someone can adjust the code in the programming to make it shift like a DCT but it would lead to service faster. Who knows how fast The 2IS shifts as fast as a DCT at times on its own spontaneously, so it’s capable of doing it obviously, it just needs the program to have it shift that way all of the time regardless of which variables dictate shift speed.
Well it’s not meant to be a muscle car….so it isn’t going to act like one. The Japanese do an excellent job of designing cars like this for a purpose. And it’s not what you want it to be, which is fine. But don’t ask or expect it to be something it wasnt designed for.
A sports saloon can’t be a muscle car. Having V8 doesn’t make any car a muscle car, in addition that car is Comparable to M340i and C43 not to M3 or C63 simply because that IS it self isn’t a F car, despite having F engine. That 2UR dates back to S65 or M113K.
As soon as he said "muscle car," I threw out everything he said prior. This is a touring car. It's powerful, comfortable, handles well, and is only loud when you want it to be. It doesn't need to be a Blackwing.
Bro. I i just want a V8 RWD car, don't care about tec just want things to work. The more simple and less complicated the car, the better. And the interior looks nice. it's a good-looking and sounding car that is probably far more reliable than its competitors. Don't need 1billion hp to enjoy a car.
As someone with an IS200t as a daily driver, I 100% would love the IS500. It’s like my third pick. After a Corvette. It’s equal to a Camaro and Mustang in terms of how much I like it.
Lexus is something a car owner wants and needs to have. Not a car enthusiast, the reliability, comfort, and lack of useless bells and whistles is what makes a lexus so appealing. Can’t forget the timeless styling that ALL lexus models have and remain to have over the last few decades.
I don’t know if it’s to early to tell how reliable they are i haven’t really seen anything about the quality but I know that Cadillac has a reputation for underline electronics so id rather buy the Lexus and tune it with the cost savings
@@awesomerthanyoutim20false, the LS platform was good in the late 2000’s but after AFM they’re ruined. Those lifters go out quick as hell and costs a small fortune to keep the car on the road.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20the engine may be reliable but the electronics suck on Cadillacs, my boss has a 2021 Escalade and their infotainment system keeps going out and it doesn’t even have 100k miles
Reviewers like him talking crap about cars like they know them inside out after having them for a few days or a week and say what they have to say. Try owning one for years then talk about it. Never listen any of them when I shop around.
They give you a great baseline to start at when looking at cars. Anyone who owns a car for years is going to be biased one way or another. Listening to reviews lets you gauge what you want up front and you can cross off anything you don’t like.
The basis is the same basis that every single car review on the internet agrees on. The CT4v BW outshines this car in every possible regard. Stop the bias.
@@daviddavid1320 lol until you get obliterated by one then go sell your slow junk Lexus. Bimmers are better In every way including reliability. You want reliable stick to your Honda.
How do u go from this to a Mustang that’s like saying o I was considering an amg GT63s but I don’t like its seats so instead I just got a dodge scat pack
@@Suyeonheeand the car drives like a old 70 year old couple in retirement. People need to understand that toyota aint making sports cars, so when people say toyota or lexus made this and its fast, is it fun though? If im paying 70k for a sports car, i want a sports car. Things are meant to break when you push the limit. M3-m4s, rs4-rs7s, black wings, q50s, and amgs will always be better than lexus. If you want reliable buy a corolla, if you want performance dont ever buy a lexus cuz thats not what they do.
The luxes is so worth it It will last longer due to beige more reliable and with the cost savings you could always tune it if your not okay with the performance
Fancy Chevy that makes almost 700 hp, sounds 100x better, better handling/suspension, better technology, has a manual trans like a proper sports car should, and just released a new generation with a confirmed commitment to the supercharged v8 and manual trans? Lexus seems disinterested in making sports cars and this is a miserable representation of that. The two cars are in very different price ranges but still, the CT5-V BW wins every time, day and night, against the IS-500 no matter which way you look at it.
The problem with the IS500 is that it’s a massive letdown. This car should have came out years ago. The V8 is more than enough to get you in trouble but it’s slow to everything else. The 70k+ price for this thing is not worth it. The interior is outdated, you can make excuses for Lexus but once you’re spending 70K+ an interior like that is just disappointing. 70K+ and you get the interior of a 2014 vehicle. The exterior is great, Lexus has always nailed its designs. But that’s it, Lexus makes beautiful cars that are too late to the market and overpriced. It’s the same reasons why the LFA failed and the GSF failed. Overpriced and too late to the game. Leaving the Lexus IS500 as one of the few V8 on the markets today. A sports sedan held back by its sluggish transmission, terrible pricing and lack of interior updates leave it at the bottom of the sport sedan world. If you want a V8, go buy any other one. You can buy a LT1 Camaro for half of the IS500 price and beat it any day of the week.
I just think you missed the point of the car. The engine is a powerful v8 for the moments you want a little fun, but anyone buying a lexus isn't buying it to be a muscle car and go weekend drifting. They want a reliable family car that they can drive daily with the family. And on the drive to work when they are alone they can put their foot down every now and again, get the noise, get the acceleration and enjoy themselves. It's not my personal thing either, but for anyone over 45 who wants some fun but doesn't want to stand out, it's perfect.
All cars are that way. Toyota = Lexus Ford = Lincoln and use to be Mercury as well Chevy = Buick= GMC = Cadillac Honda = Acura VW = Audi = Porsche = Lamborghini Nissan = Infiniti Very few brands are a standalone company.
This is the car you travel from new york to florida in comfort. A blackwind is a car that competes with m3 4 door. Both rough hard cars not suited for multi thousand mile trips. If you dont want an ls500 because is too long then this is it. This reminds me of a e500 from mid 2000s
Lexus has a lot of safety features in their cars to help with their safety rating. Same thing in the GS F. You have to do a specific sequence upon startup to disable all safety features and even then the car will shift to second gear automatically when spinning the wheels too much and will lock you out of first gear
You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re expecting this car to be a muscle car. It’s not. But you’re complaining that it doesn’t behave like a senseless muscle car. It’s isn’t a Cadillac V series at all. It’s Japanese sports sedan with a pure NA engine that will outlast any Cadillac or German car out there…
People are dumb. Looking at cars like these and going "DURR HURR TOYOTA" would be like looking at a 911 and going "DURR HURR VW BEETLE." It's pretty silly
What I’ve realized is that sometimes the Japanese luxury brands lack slightly compared to other brands, BUT, most of the time, the car lasts a really long and doesn’t completely tank in depreciation.
the traction thing is real. i want a car that breaks traction when im tryna get out of my parking space and then i have to regain traction 3/4 of the way down the road
Imagine a proper successor to the IS-F with a DCT.. That’d be the PERFECT competitor to G80 M3s. I just feel like they’re missing out on the “sportiness” if that makes sense.
The blackwing has 200 more hp with only 300 more lbs and 10 gears as compared to 8 in the automatics, I promise a manual trans wouldn’t do the lexus any favors
@@IStealCopper so you’re saying it’s all about being able to simple slam a pedal and go? That’s all fun and dandy at a drag strip, but nothing beats rowing through gears on your own.
1. They need to put massage seats in there. 2. They need to get rid of trackpad and improve the software of the entertainment system. 3. Needs to be AWD.
They made a special version of the RC F a few years ago. A supposedly all in track car. Car and Driver asked Lexus why it didn't have track tires (for example Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2). The answer? " It is, after all, A Lexus."
“If this car was just a *little* louder” It’s not that expensive to modify the exhaust. You could remove the resonator, install aftermarket mufflers, remove the resonator and install aftermarket mufflers, get a catback exhaust, even see if they don’t offer headers for it.
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The problem is you look at this like you look at a traditional tire shredding muscle car, and it’s not. This is a comfy crusing car with a gruff unkillable v8. Lexus is not trying to be a Cadillac it’s trying to be a Lexus. And from my time with a high mileage (200k) they are unkillable comfy cruisers with a beautiful note behind them
The problem is you didn't do your research and are talking out your a**. Lexus didn't want this car to be made they shut the idea down. A team in lexus made it secretly to show them that a v8 can be used in it and they secretly tracked the car too.
But I feel that's what the gs series should be not the is series. The is series should be spottier IMHO. But honestly I feel Japanese go only after other Japanese brands which is why people know them for their reliability not for the fun anymore. Toyota has it in them with the GR models showing they have the chops.
@@firetoyGS has been discontinued.
Amen to that brother.
A friend of mine is looking for family car. They have a budget of $120k. They have so many options but cant get a way from turning down Lexus because of a comfy and relaxing it drives
I wouldn’t exactly call up to $30,000+ extra “a little more” for the Blackwing
Edit: Before anyone tries to say it again, the $60k CT4 V Blackwing is a V6 while the V8 CT5 V is found at dealers for $100,000
Ct4 v blackwing exists
Doesn't matter, the V6 is still better
@@DesignerSkii V6 RWD Malibu
@@DesignerSkii We are talking about V8 muscle.
@@mez6256v6 twin turbo 4 door camaro
Might not have the power numbers people want but IMO it’s the best looking compact sport sedan
I agree
Alfa Romeo Giulia?
@@Ste3737Great argument! 🤔
@@Ste3737 close second I agree.
Reliable also
It’s not a “Japanese” muscle car (which is an oxymoron), it is a grand touring car. It’s refined, luxurious, and tame.
Exactly, the M3 users are not the target audience for a lexus
The fuck is a “Japanese muscle car”.. Disliked out of principle.
This is not a grand touring car. It’s too big. It’s decisively a muscle car.
fr when he said that i was like, “a…muscle car??”
@@yungrichnbroke5199 lol ok. If its “too big” then what is the LC500? LC500 is larger but is defined as a grand touring car
This is a Lexus
Lexus isn’t what you described.
Lexus has its own league, and is definitely the ultimate car in that league
Mind you this car will last 20 years, the other guys won't.
Doubt it.
Yea buddy, those LS based engines are unreliable 🤦♂️
@@revengeof1307doubt what?
@@nicksterr2086 this car let alone any of these modern cars will be around 20 years from now.
@@revengeof1307 it's uses the same powertrain as the older models. The only difference is the interior informant and gauge cluster. So it already prove to last.
He speaks so well, so confident , the problem is I’ve been a mechanic for 4 years and car salesman for 5 years. HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT. Go report on the weather or something
Car: Not a BMW
Miles: Not sure I can recommend it.
😁
Ill take a Guilia over a BMW.
@@bradkirchhoff5703
Any day any time
I wouldn’t either 🗣️
It will run forever w routine maintenance. We’ve had 4 Lexus over the years, perfect compared to the 3 BMWs we’ve owned. But I’ve had 3 BMW motorcycles that have been awesome 🤷🏽♂️
@@bradkirchhoff5703you don’t know what your talking about son
Bro a certified yapper, yapping and capping.
Thing is, he aint wrong.
The IS500 isn't worth the money. Full stop. If you could get a V8 camry for 50k sure, until then, there's 5-6 other cars for the same money that are SIGNIFICANTLY better.
@@shawndejong6699But also way less reliable and expensive to maintain.
@@sufyansmits6410 than what do we have the gs series for???
@BurnPerimeter As a reliable muscle car of course. But the guy up top is saying that there are faster cars. Yes but those won't running that long.
@@shawndejong6699 what are some examples?
Yeah probably disregard what this guy’s opinions are on Lexus
What he said is still very truthful wether you’re happy to hear it or not
@cm-15 "this 150hp base model civic, I'd recommend you spend a little more and get a Ferrari, it doesn't have much power for a racecar because that's what a racecar is all about" this guy's an idiot
@@cm-15it is not a muscle car. Learn about Lexus as a company before trying to place your expectations for what they design and build. This vehicle is designed to be the crossbreed between a daily driver and a performance vehicle. It was not intended to be a demon killer or the next drag king. It’s designed to give you the ability to enjoy the amenities of most daily drivers such as suspension, cabin noise, fuel economy, and etc. While also giving car enthusiasts who enjoy performance some of that with the V8 they slapped inside. So if you’re someone that prefers to have a comfortable ride, lots of tech on the interior, good gas mileage, and a taste of performance to give you a little bit of a thrill. Then you’ll love this car. It’s not meant for people looking to go toe to toe with a Hellcat or BMW competition series. So hold onto your criticism just because this car doesn’t meet your specific requirements. Go pay the extra 20 to 40 grand more for a vehicle that is solely intended for performance and sacrifices in other areas that this vehicle doesn’t. Let other car enthusiasts who can appreciate what this car delivers enjoy it while passing you by as you sit at the gas station for the third time in a week.
@@knightmare4202Show us on the doll where he hurt you.
You: points directly at the ass
@@cm-15nah he just complained the whole video 😂
They said the EXACT same thing about the SC 430, now that car is considered an underrated classic. People forget that Lexus is a luxury car first, sports car second.
The last V8 car that showed attitude decided to show it to the pedestrians too😂
Camaros, Corvettes, Challengers and Chargers show attitude and don’t have the mustang problem. Although they’re discontinued except for the Corvette
High torque on mustangs :p
@@goofy_xf6223 by "the last V8 car" I meant the only American muscle car left
Bro said you can spend a little more for a black wing as in 40k+ 😭
You don’t understand Lexus my friend. This car isn’t for someone so young. Yes, I said it.
I’m 23 and enjoy my IS350
Not necessarily young but Sophisticated
@@AltezzaGang15 Beast. I turned 27 yesterday and got a 1997 Lexus LS400 a few weeks ago. Couldn't be happier
I’m 20 and due to my fortunate circumstances I’ve got an IS500. I love it!
22 and love my 2018 IS300 V6
This is my dream car. You get toyota reliability, powerful v8, luxurious interior, and a very classy exterior look. Miscellaneous stuff like sound you could very easily fix with aftermarket stuff.
The black wing feels like a fancy takeover car and sure these M cars are proven names in the car scene with everything you could want but the is500 has everything you need.
Idk how you can affordably replace the transmission tho and many people have concurred that despite the engine that's what lets it down the most
“Fancy takeover car” lol that is the dumbest shit i ever read on here. You probably aren’t even old enough to drive
Dream bigger bro
@@blaze3007
The transmission is an absolute gem. Soft when you are cruising, sharp when you are pushing it. People just don't know how to use it; car reviewers to be specific.
It has one of the fastest non-DCT shifts!
@@yousef.al-assaf I agree. It cruises when you want to cruise, and (provided it's warmed up) it'll tear things up when you want, too. The biggest "problem" with the transmission is how warm the TCU wants the transmission to be before it'll really let you tear things up. It's the only thing that annoys me about the car. But once it's warmed up it's quite good. A lot of the complaints about the transmission are probably people jumping in the car and wanting to beat on it from cold and wondering why it doesn't want to play yet. On the other hand, I would like to keep this car for 10+ years, so the TCU prohibiting one from abusing the transmission when cold is a good thing. My buddy's M440i would let me tear stuff up maybe less than five minutes after the car was started. ZF8s are good, but I don't see how that can be healthy for the trans long term if one were to beat on it cold frequently.
It’s not in Lexus’ ethos to make a power hungry, tire shedding, drift machine. It’s a capable, comfy, reliable compact that’s still fun to drive. Also don’t pretend that there aren’t exhaust kits for the is500 and the isf if you want it to be louder.
Hellcat owners when they find a car that’s for comfort and reliability not for going to intersections and doing circles
Damn 😂😂
The black wing is a beast it cost way more than the Lexus and is not even close to refinement and reliability of the Lexus V8. 60,000 miles later the Lexus will have better resale value and not need a engine.
Blackwing won't depreciate like a reg Caddy
Both are considered modern classics by journalists, but the market still favors the Cadillac. According to forecast experts, a Manual CT4-V or a CT5-V Blackwing will hold its value better than the IS500 despite’s Lexus’ proven reliability. Remember this is not the more collectible IS-F nameplate.
I would say a supercharged intercooled 6.2l v8 with the option of manual or 10 speed auto and is more refined than a 5.0l naturally aspirated dohc v8 that has only been mated to 8spd and 10spd autos. Ford has been making the same thing as Lexus for years now plus I think most coyote owners would call their motors pretty reliable
V series Cadillacs don't depreciate like regular Cadillacs do.
This dude is wrong 1000%. Lexus does not compete with Cadillac, Audi, Genesis, not Infinity. Nope, Lexus were meant to compete head on with Mercedes Benz. Their billion dollars Lexus research program was targeted at what Mercedes Benz customers wanted and how they behave in a daily basis.
If you just want luxury, go get a is300/350. This is a sports sedan and it 100% competes with other sports sedans that people are cross shopping. Idgaf what Lexus was trying to compete with, buyers will cross shop either way.
@@Kraize92is350/300 is js a boring car in terms of performance, icl, not a sports sedan, js smth more upmarket for those who want a nicer Camry. Still a chill vehicle tho
@@Kraize92 no it's not. do you consider an S500 a sports sedan?
@@Yo-gm3le300hp rwd sedan isn’t sporty?
@@reallydawg5987 Chevy impala also makes 300 hp, ig that’s also a sports sedan now?
Just to correct you, this isn’t a muscle car, it’s a grand tourer.
I wrote a comment without reading the comments. And now i have had a read, im very happy. It seems everyone but the reviewer gets what this lexus is for. It's a cruiser. It's a fun family car. Good job gents 👏
I also wanted to do the same and was surprised to see the comments overwhelmingly in support of Lexus.
No wonder why most American muscle cars love pedestrians more than the road, to me its a compliment if a car's rwd and acts like an awd, shows how well balanced it is. And its a TOYOTA, that things gonna be running fine even after a long long time while your germans and americans are gonna have problems after the first year, specially the new germans
Tell me you’ve never owned anything German/American or never done proper maintainence without telling
Me:
@@Yo-gm3le properly maintain a toyota and properly maintain a german or american car,
Which one's running more?
@@twinex7248 whichever on is the best taken care of 😂
My cousins have owned Audis, Mercedes, BMW and Lexus and the only car that gave them issues was the Lexus 🤷♂️
It’s a lot closer than we think
@@Yo-gm3le where i live cars take a beating on a daily basis because of bad roads and let me tell you this everyone prefers toyota because of their reliability and robustness
@@Yo-gm3lethe only car they didn’t take any care of then lol.
The IS500 will become a sought after enthusiast car soon after they discontinue it and everyone will be asking "why did no one buy it? Its such a bargain for what you're getting". Im hoping to get one soon cuz i love n/a v8's
The value on that barely decrease, that mfer can have 100k miles on the dash and still be going for 60k 😂😂
Msrp is 56k
@@mez6256He was over exaggerating but he is right. I found one with 100k miles going for $30k
@@mez6256thats for is350 fully loaded my friend not is500
Then why didn’t the IS-F do that
@@TheRzarectahlol isf are from 2008 still going for 24k regularly
It's not an American muscle car with a V8. It's a Japanese luxury car... that happens to have a V8. You're reviewing the car while putting the wrong expectations on it. Don't force your own preferences on a car that's not meant for you.
Well it’s the same price as cars that do just that. So it’s going to be cross shopped regardless, maybe it should be cheaper if you don’t want the comparison.
@@cm-15 Just because it’s the same price doesn’t mean it’s the same product. An apple and an orange are similarly priced, but different.
I’m on my second Lexus and they are put together well!
It's a luxury car man not a track car 💁🏾♂️
can be used on the track as well
@@andrelopez182 WHY would you????
I was just about to say that
Well it isn’t very luxurious so Lexus really needs to figure it out.
I drove the 340I and S4. the quality in the Lexus is superior and overall Drive funner not to mention the look.Would not chose a 340 over this for half a second quicker. No one cares.
The day you want to sell this car youll get more $$ for it over the germans.
Have you done rcf? Ik it’s the same thing but just saying
Haven't tried it yet but I'd definitely like to
@@CarswithMilesdon’t because you will suck in reviewing it
@@lexuslfa4739 Bro this comment is so mean yet so funny I can't stop laughing hahhahahaha
Steve Urkel here is trying to convince us not to buy a car that will last 30 years just because it doesn’t shreds its tires on the highway
True but remember this is a 80k car if you have that type of money your not keepin this car for decades 😂😂 unless u start building it
He's right, it's an overpriced Toyota. If you're coughing up $80-90k for a super saloon most will take an M3. You must be an old man because that's who drive these Lexus sedans and coupes.
Not at all the message here brother, he is expressing his disappointment in hopes lexus can put out a vehicle more capble to compete with modern muscle cars
Ok then why not spend half as much and get a 5 year old RCF to drive for 25 years in that case
Spend half the money and get the old IS-F. It's the same car, and the IS F might actually be better because it's a real F car.
This car will hold its value
It’s not made to be a muscle car, but more like a luxury sedan which happened to have a big engine. Plus it’s gonna last longer than you so 🤷
Honestly don't understand all of the hate in the comments, I'd agree with the comments on the transmission being unacceptable for the price. I love the IS500 and recognize it's an m340i fighter rather than an m3 fighter, as both prioritize luxury with sporty features so it's only natural it will be lacking compared to something like the ct4-v blackwing which I'd argue it does NOT compete with. It's an absolutely beautiful car with a fantastic sound (but I'd probably get some light mods) with lexus reliability and build quality. That being said, it's interior is getting dated to the point of being unacceptable for the price offered even though I personally don't mind it too much, and it does likely lose out to an m340i where handling is concerned, but it's still a fantastic sporty luxury sedan and almost certainly something I'll buy in 10 years for 25k since it'll last another 20 years with no issue!
1. Get an exhaust easy fix
2. Trans is made to last and it needs to be a comfy cruiser so there’s a tradeoff for this type of vehicle
3. Valid it should shred the tires more imo, idk if I can agree on the other points tho
It actually acts like a DCT after it gets to 3500 rpms because the torque converter fully locks up, shifts in like a tenth of a second which is as fast as a 458 Ferrari. On lower speeds is when it’s slow and when you are driving slowly you don’t care how fast your transmission shifts
All the thing you’re mentioning is why Lexus’s last so long and hold their value. M cars, V series and AMG cars are meant to be pounded on. These cars are for the occasional aggressive driver.
The V series cars are nice, but will be in the shop in no time after purchasing it.
Bro it's a lexus not a m3
you subconsciously understand how hopefully unequipped the IS500 is because you're comparing whole brands to a singular car model.
the m340i, m440i, m550i is completely better than the is500 and y'all know it.
@@deadhouseplants64the BMWs are better. Sadly Lexus once again fails at properly introducing and handling another V8 model. The LFA, GSF, and RCF are all failures. No not because they suck. But because they all came out overpriced and were handled poorly. You have dealers pushing out ES and RX models and then you have one LFA or one GSF in the showroom just sitting when most Lexus buyers simply don’t care about those models. Lexus just doesn’t prioritize its performance line enough to let them truly shine. The RCF costs a stacking 70-100K and IS500 costs a whopping 70k+ just way overpriced for what it is.
@@deadhouseplants64no its not i want something extremely reliable and for me bmw is not it.
@@marcelrodriguez2067 you want something reliable enough that you can abuse regularly scheduled maintenance, and in exchange you get a lethargic, unadvanced machine from 2013.
@@deadhouseplants64you sound like someone who drives an electric 🤮
I have a 03' Lexus with over 233,000 mi, there's a reason why this car is worth every penny you spend. Enough power & noise to have fun but reliability to outlast all its competitors.
Its just a better scat pack. 4 door heavy rwd sedan, same power, except its way more reliable and way better interior, and less likely to be stolen
Dude kind of missed the entire point of Lexus itself. They're aren't trying to build muscle cars that shred tires or go out of their way to build crazy fast supercars that are borderline unstable to drive. Lexus is all about the perfect mixture of luxury, reliability, experience and longevity. The LFA is an exception because it was their way to show the world that they can build amazing cars if they wanted to, while also showcasing their departure from their old design language and overall approach to their newer lineups (The LC500 for example).
Too polite? Lord Jesus, this isn’t a Dodge/Stellantis product. 🤭 By the sales numbers, Lexus doesn’t need the recommendation. 😎
Whew... T, glad you saw this too. He clearly doesn't understand the IS500. IMO the closest American (actually Australian) car was the Chevy SS.
Breaking traction is not what this car is for. It’s for those who want a little fun on the highway but don’t want to break the bank for a track weapon like an M3. This is more of a TLX Type S or an M340i competitor.
If you spend time in it you will learn to appreciate it, the car has character that I can't explain. Just drive it for a day or two and you will know what I'm talking about.
You can drive this thing for 5 years and still feel like the day you bought it❤
I bought a 2023 Lexus IS 350 F Sport last year, and I feel that way. It's just so smooth and feels good to be inside the cabin. I did consider getting an IS 500, but at the time, asking price was more than $15k to my already msrp of 52k, so I went with that instead. I love the drive and it's simple which is what I like. 3.5L NA V6 is good enough for me which gives 311 HP! 🔥
Lexus always does that with their transmissions
Apparently someone can adjust the code in the programming to make it shift like a DCT but it would lead to service faster. Who knows how fast
The 2IS shifts as fast as a DCT at times on its own spontaneously, so it’s capable of doing it obviously, it just needs the program to have it shift that way all of the time regardless of which variables dictate shift speed.
This sounds like nitpicking not downsides
Look at him what else you expect. This is why I hate RUclips anyone can get on here and become an "expert".
@@elir.torres8642 agreed, it sounds like he's complaining about that Lexus because its not a Cadillac
I mean, all of those things except the transmission are easily handled. Turn off traction control... get a louder exhaust.
Bro wants a scat 🤣
Well it’s not meant to be a muscle car….so it isn’t going to act like one.
The Japanese do an excellent job of designing cars like this for a purpose.
And it’s not what you want it to be, which is fine. But don’t ask or expect it to be something it wasnt designed for.
A sports saloon can’t be a muscle car.
Having V8 doesn’t make any car a muscle car, in addition that car is Comparable to M340i and C43 not to M3 or C63 simply because that IS it self isn’t a F car, despite having F engine. That 2UR dates back to S65 or M113K.
As soon as he said "muscle car," I threw out everything he said prior. This is a touring car. It's powerful, comfortable, handles well, and is only loud when you want it to be. It doesn't need to be a Blackwing.
It’s definitely an interesting car
THE NOOB IS YOU
What’s up?
Bro. I i just want a V8 RWD car, don't care about tec just want things to work. The more simple and less complicated the car, the better. And the interior looks nice. it's a good-looking and sounding car that is probably far more reliable than its competitors. Don't need 1billion hp to enjoy a car.
As someone with an IS200t as a daily driver, I 100% would love the IS500. It’s like my third pick. After a Corvette.
It’s equal to a Camaro and Mustang in terms of how much I like it.
Lexus is something a car owner wants and needs to have. Not a car enthusiast, the reliability, comfort, and lack of useless bells and whistles is what makes a lexus so appealing. Can’t forget the timeless styling that ALL lexus models have and remain to have over the last few decades.
when did Black wings become reliable ...
I don’t know if it’s to early to tell how reliable they are i haven’t really seen anything about the quality but I know that Cadillac has a reputation for underline electronics so id rather buy the Lexus and tune it with the cost savings
The cadillacs are ls engine platform, those ls are super reliable.
LF4 engines have been in production since 2016. They're pretty damn reliable.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20false, the LS platform was good in the late 2000’s but after AFM they’re ruined. Those lifters go out quick as hell and costs a small fortune to keep the car on the road.
@@awesomerthanyoutim20the engine may be reliable but the electronics suck on Cadillacs, my boss has a 2021 Escalade and their infotainment system keeps going out and it doesn’t even have 100k miles
Making a backhanded video on such a rare gem nowadays is crazy
Reviewers like him talking crap about cars like they know them inside out after having them for a few days or a week and say what they have to say. Try owning one for years then talk about it. Never listen any of them when I shop around.
They give you a great baseline to start at when looking at cars. Anyone who owns a car for years is going to be biased one way or another. Listening to reviews lets you gauge what you want up front and you can cross off anything you don’t like.
Remember the ISF, which is now 16yo, is still an amazing car, working as new and beating everyone on the Nurb with 420k miles.
Yeah, your review sucks. No basis for your complaints. The fact that you'd choose a cadillac over a lexus tells us all what we need to know.
The basis is the same basis that every single car review on the internet agrees on. The CT4v BW outshines this car in every possible regard. Stop the bias.
Owned mine for over a year now and love every moment I'm behind the wheel.
Why would buy this over an M?
Someone looking to keep either car more than 5+ years might consider the Lexus for cost of ownership and reliability I would think
is500 wasn't made to be an 'm' equivalent, m-sport equivalent yes, but a full blown m competitor no
@@Riznaztis58 👁️👅👁️ reliability
16000 reasons
@@daviddavid1320 lol until you get obliterated by one then go sell your slow junk Lexus. Bimmers are better In every way including reliability. You want reliable stick to your Honda.
Just as a cadillac isn't as refined and smooth as a lexus
If only it came in a manual i might have looked into getting this. Ended up getting a Mustang instead
How do u go from this to a Mustang that’s like saying o I was considering an amg GT63s but I don’t like its seats so instead I just got a dodge scat pack
@@poglant because mustangs are actually sporty and set records
@@poglantBecause the GT350 is a better can in literally every way. Are you serious?
Lexus v8 + porsche pdk in an mid engine configuration would be freaking INSANE
Isnt the blackwing 100k thats almost 50% more for a fancy chevy lexus is better
Soo by that logic, Lexus is just a fancy Toyota.
@@Suyeonheeand the car drives like a old 70 year old couple in retirement. People need to understand that toyota aint making sports cars, so when people say toyota or lexus made this and its fast, is it fun though? If im paying 70k for a sports car, i want a sports car. Things are meant to break when you push the limit. M3-m4s, rs4-rs7s, black wings, q50s, and amgs will always be better than lexus. If you want reliable buy a corolla, if you want performance dont ever buy a lexus cuz thats not what they do.
@@CrashoutLee🧢
The luxes is so worth it
It will last longer due to beige more reliable and with the cost savings you could always tune it if your not okay with the performance
Fancy Chevy that makes almost 700 hp, sounds 100x better, better handling/suspension, better technology, has a manual trans like a proper sports car should, and just released a new generation with a confirmed commitment to the supercharged v8 and manual trans? Lexus seems disinterested in making sports cars and this is a miserable representation of that. The two cars are in very different price ranges but still, the CT5-V BW wins every time, day and night, against the IS-500 no matter which way you look at it.
Sounds like an exhaust and tune would solve your "problems". And it will completely decimate the others on reliability
The problem with the IS500 is that it’s a massive letdown. This car should have came out years ago. The V8 is more than enough to get you in trouble but it’s slow to everything else. The 70k+ price for this thing is not worth it. The interior is outdated, you can make excuses for Lexus but once you’re spending 70K+ an interior like that is just disappointing. 70K+ and you get the interior of a 2014 vehicle. The exterior is great, Lexus has always nailed its designs. But that’s it, Lexus makes beautiful cars that are too late to the market and overpriced. It’s the same reasons why the LFA failed and the GSF failed. Overpriced and too late to the game. Leaving the Lexus IS500 as one of the few V8 on the markets today. A sports sedan held back by its sluggish transmission, terrible pricing and lack of interior updates leave it at the bottom of the sport sedan world. If you want a V8, go buy any other one. You can buy a LT1 Camaro for half of the IS500 price and beat it any day of the week.
LFA cost 3x more now in alot of countries. Think you failed.
@@comments7335in a lot of countries most cars cost more due to low numbers of export and being far away from their general manufacturing plants
Bro is forgetting the target demographic and reliability behind it
There is no such thing as a Japanese muscle car. If its not an American V8 powered coupe then its not a muscle car
Lexus RC F, Toyota Supra Turbo, Lexus LC 500, Acura NSX, Nissan GT-R track addition. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Vlll, Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition.
@edwingross9778 damn i didn't know toyota, Nissan, and honda where American brands, and i didn't know supra was a v8
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Dang, we're gatekeeping the definition of muscle cars now? Are you that insecure about it being Japanese and not "American?"
@tatsuhirosatou5513 Well toyota have car plants in the USA and America got car plants in China, Canada and Mexico.
@@Kraize92none of those he listed are muscle lmaooo
I just think you missed the point of the car. The engine is a powerful v8 for the moments you want a little fun, but anyone buying a lexus isn't buying it to be a muscle car and go weekend drifting. They want a reliable family car that they can drive daily with the family. And on the drive to work when they are alone they can put their foot down every now and again, get the noise, get the acceleration and enjoy themselves. It's not my personal thing either, but for anyone over 45 who wants some fun but doesn't want to stand out, it's perfect.
I don’t think someone is purchasing an IS500 for their family 😂 it’s definitely a younger, single man’s car. Their target audience is 20-40
@storyofmylife7080 what? 20-40 year olds don't have families? 🤣🤣 when you starting to have kids? In your 50's? Fking fruit loop.
It's a camry with a fuckin Lexus badge
All cars are that way.
Toyota = Lexus
Ford = Lincoln and use to be Mercury as well
Chevy = Buick= GMC = Cadillac
Honda = Acura
VW = Audi = Porsche = Lamborghini
Nissan = Infiniti
Very few brands are a standalone company.
your just mad americans can not make masterpiece cars
That's the ES
@half23 no shit it's a joke
@@Silent4kill9 oooooh. That was a joke? I didn’t realize it. My bad. LOL.
I've never looked at any lexus as a muscle car.
This is the car you travel from new york to florida in comfort. A blackwind is a car that competes with m3 4 door. Both rough hard cars not suited for multi thousand mile trips. If you dont want an ls500 because is too long then this is it. This reminds me of a e500 from mid 2000s
Lexus has a lot of safety features in their cars to help with their safety rating. Same thing in the GS F. You have to do a specific sequence upon startup to disable all safety features and even then the car will shift to second gear automatically when spinning the wheels too much and will lock you out of first gear
Sounds like minor compromises for a bullet proof fun car that will last you a lifetime
The things is those aren’t minor comprises and for a benefit that is minimal.
The maintenance that comes with excitement, is sometimes more than anticipated.
Umm Lexus is a luxury brand not a muscle car 👁️👄👁️
This man doesn't know what a Lexus is about.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re expecting this car to be a muscle car. It’s not. But you’re complaining that it doesn’t behave like a senseless muscle car. It’s isn’t a Cadillac V series at all. It’s Japanese sports sedan with a pure NA engine that will outlast any Cadillac or German car out there…
That’s what people said about the LFA and GSF. “Too expensive for a Toyota”. Look at how much those cars are valued now
People are dumb. Looking at cars like these and going "DURR HURR TOYOTA" would be like looking at a 911 and going "DURR HURR VW BEETLE." It's pretty silly
The problem is your assuming it's a muscle car, review it as a luxury sedan that's really fast.
This Lexus be like: And With a couple of swipes up…You can get way more better reviewers like Doug Demuro and Forrest…this dude isn’t enough for me !!
What I’ve realized is that sometimes the Japanese luxury brands lack slightly compared to other brands, BUT, most of the time, the car lasts a really long and doesn’t completely tank in depreciation.
you pay less for Japanese
You get less
the traction thing is real. i want a car that breaks traction when im tryna get out of my parking space and then i have to regain traction 3/4 of the way down the road
Yeah but that's a lexus, it will out live the companies that make those other cars.
Imagine a proper successor to the IS-F with a DCT.. That’d be the PERFECT competitor to G80 M3s.
I just feel like they’re missing out on the “sportiness” if that makes sense.
Black wing has an option manual option. If Lexus offered that, they’d destroy the competition.
The blackwing has 200 more hp with only 300 more lbs and 10 gears as compared to 8 in the automatics, I promise a manual trans wouldn’t do the lexus any favors
@@IStealCopper so you’re saying it’s all about being able to simple slam a pedal and go? That’s all fun and dandy at a drag strip, but nothing beats rowing through gears on your own.
this is NOT, a cadillac v series, it is a lexus ls. They are iconic in their own right
A lexus isn't for you, my friend...philosophies do not match.
Bro, it's a lexus. That's the way it's supposed to be
This is a great car. Looks, comfort, space.
Lexus is the best brand for reliability&luxury , you can never go wrong with it.
The fact that you said it's a rwd that feels like an awd makes me want it even more 😂
1. They need to put massage seats in there.
2. They need to get rid of trackpad and improve the software of the entertainment system.
3. Needs to be AWD.
I don’t think buddy understood what Lexus was trying to do with this vehicle lol.
They made a special version of the RC F a few years ago. A supposedly all in track car. Car and Driver asked Lexus why it didn't have track tires (for example Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2). The answer? " It is, after all, A Lexus."
When others are chilling in the workshop this car will outlive it's owners 😂
You completely missed the point of this car. It’s supposed to be the more tame sleeper daily that can pull when you want and last you decades
Its worth every penny. That v8 is glorious
I would never take a caddy over a Lexus in the same class. Period.
“If this car was just a *little* louder”
It’s not that expensive to modify the exhaust. You could remove the resonator, install aftermarket mufflers, remove the resonator and install aftermarket mufflers, get a catback exhaust, even see if they don’t offer headers for it.
The #1 sports car 2012 Nissan Versa with crank down windows.