Ford Toploader 4 speed Rebuild II - Learn how Torque Locking Sliders work
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2023
- In this second video of the Ford Toploader 4 Speed rebuild series Paul Cangialosi talks about torque locking synchronizer sliders and torque locking clutch teeth on new gears. Wear and failure points of the transmission are discussed.
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Outstanding Paul!! Thanks for the excellent content.
Thanks for such an informative video, I never knew about torque locking sliders
Thanks for all the good information. This is good knowledge. 5 stars.
you dont just know transmissions, you intimately know mechanics and machines, you will do well in any venture dealing with machines, really nice. your videos are great when they come around. and your office assistant is really really FUNNY i wish she came on video more
Now I know why I had those shifting problems with my 1949 Monarch (Canadian Mercury) with a Foxcraft Floorshift conversation, back in 1964-65. I could not find a collar for the column shifter anywhere. All the ones in the junkyards were broken, too. . .
Tons of information compacted in 20 minutes. Amazing! Thanks Paul.
Thanks for watching
Great explanation of the common issues on these old transmissions!
Thanks for watching!
Had no idea of this till now. Keyed teeth, smart idea.
Another great video, Paul. I just learned a lot. Thanks for posting mate, we all appreciate it .👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Way kewl of you to share the nuances that make major differences in performance and longevity. For too long these things have been generally ignored, if components weren’t outright broke, and the resulting, “I don’t knows” and goose chases.
Too many don’t appreciate and treat manual transmissions as the system they are.
Might consider doing a episode on clutch problems that contribute to transmission issues, like crankshaft - bellhousing - transmission alignment, lack of clean release, etc.
Thanks again for sharing your unique and genuine content.
I have a very popular clutch video have you watched it?
@@GearBoxVideo guess I missed it, but did just watch it. Good video.
Thanks for the heads up.
Wow, there's a lot more to this than I thought. Very enjoyable.
Paul, IMO you are a national treasure. Your knowledge and presentation in these videos are just awesome!
Regardless of whether it's Borg Warner, Muncie or Ford.
Really appreciate you and your work.
Wow, thank you!
Great video Paul. Keep up the good work.
Great video Paul.Thank you
Very welcome
Great video , great skills Thank You !
Excellent info. Going to be rebuilding one soon.
Outstanding! Great info, details, tips.
Good stuff as always Paul. I love all details, they make the job that much better! Thanks.
Thank you very much! I've never rebuilt a transmission, but I love watching you do it.
Glad you enjoy it!
Awesome!! I just picked up a couple of top loaders I wanna rebuild!! Great info, will be using your videos for reference!!
Thank you for your another great video. If you please make 15 min video about your the BMW ZF transmission. Thank you.
As always, tons of good info, will share with my Ford buddies.
Thank you please share and get them to subscribe
Thanks for the talk today, Paul! made a ton of sense and helped me understand what I need to consider for my M22 and final rear gear ratio. Considering the GearVendor's OD unit too... We'll see. Great vid on the sliders and synchros!!
Thanks. Great info.
Excellent video, I believe you covered all of the questions I had intended to ask at PRI, which I missed this year. Thank you for the help you provide and for your time at PRI, we have spoken several times and you have helped expand my knowledge of the manual transmissions, I have been building since 1980, but somewhat sporadically and with few technical resources. Thank you again!
I missed PRI as well this year I had too many other travel commitments as well as work deadlines. I will return next year
Great video ! Just subscribed. You’re a true professional!
Thanks for subscribing
Very informative... 🙂
Thanks 🙂
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
HERE WE GOOO! :)
Excelente explicação trabalho com câmbio manual também
Danke!
Thank you so much for supporting my channel. Much appreciated!
This was a well thought out, informative video. I find it tough to watch videos in which the producers try to be comedians and repeat themselves over and over. I would like to see a video on a Ford Toploader shift rails and fork build up. Thank you, subscribed and liked.
I appreciate that! That video is coming soon.
Thanks for the video series.I’ve heard that Dan Williams has some great parts for the Toploaders. Such as 9310 gears,modular input gears allowing for a 1 3/8” pinion wide ratio trans. I assume he’s still around he’s been working with them since the beginning.
Yes he has
Hi Paul, Congratulations on a great video series - something we can use in real world. Few questions from my side and greatly appreciate and value your comments. In the Toploader videos you talk about torque locking sleeve/hub assemblies & they that are found on later model gearboxes, my questions: (1). does that mean the top loader gearbox from factory in the late 1960s/70s, had non-torque locking sleeve/hub assemblies? (2). Are all new replacement sleeve/hub assemblies only available as the torque locking type? (3) If yes, should I also purchase matching gears which have the torque locking clutch teeth to match? (4) would torque locking type sleeve/hub assemblies work with gears without torque locking clutch teeth? Thanks from Aussie Down Under. Keep up the great work!
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Hi Paul, Thanks for the new video's on Ford toploaders - the detailed information about what to look at is really great and much appreciated. I'm rebuilding a toploader right now and I had bought a new 3/4 slider assembly as my original one was pounded out too far in the key slots. The new 3/4 slider assembly is a torque locking type though - so after watching this video I realize now that I shouldn't use it with the original gears with the straight teeth. Question: can I use the new slider inner hub with my original slider's outer that has the straight teeth? or is that not advised? I guess my other option is to either buy new gears with the torque lock teeth - or try to find a good used original 3/4 slider to use with my original gears..
Thanks, Paul
If it fits the spline good then it will be OK
Hello sir. I just came across your Chanel. The work and this and tricks to provide are outstanding. I am currently rebuilding my 1973 CJ5 T-15 transmission and my Dana 20 transfer case. Do yo have any videos on the rebuilds, especially the T-15. Thank you and I am now a subscriber
Welcome aboard! No I don't have any T15 videos.... hard to come by that trans
@@GearBoxVideo ok, thank you anyways. Maybe you can rebuild one, lol.
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Can you buy non torque locking replacement gears? No website seems to state which they are. I am rebuilding a toploader with non torque locking sliders, and only 2nd and 3rd gears need to be replaced. I'd rather not have to buy all new gears and sliders.
Thanks a lot for your videos on this transmission! They've been very helpful.
Everything is locking now.. deal with specialists and do not buy on Ebay or Amazon
@@GearBoxVideo Thanks for the quick reply!
So, which gears and sliders are optimal for my toploader build? What would Paul do?
New Old Stock pieces are hard to find but, the original gears were prone to engagement tooth failure. The new replacement gears and sliders made in Taiwan have been proven to work better than orginal gears. Dont be fooled with people saying they have gears made in USA or some other country. Only Taiwanese gears are being nade now and work quite well. We are starting to sell some pieces on the 5speeds.cok website
Cheers Paul, looking forward to the reassembly vid.
If you had no other way to go and had to use a new syncro that didn't lock up, could valve grinding paste be used to lap the syncro and cone so that it could be used? Just curious is all.
Thanks
Valve paste will cause to course of a surface.. Just use good rings. Thats why I have them made
If the new synchro ring doesn't grip the gear, it tells me something is machined wrong. Maybe the inner taper angle is slightly off. Or maybe it's not round.
The ID of the synchro has what looks like fine teeth that are sharp. They are made that way to cut through the oil so they can grab onto the gear. If you use lapping compound, you will be wearing those fine teeth down with flats on them. This is what a worn out synchro is, so the synchro won't work very well.
In other words, lapping is polishing a turd. New correct synchros are pretty cheap. I'm pretty sure Paul sells ones that work.
Morning Paul, I've got two questions concerning these "top loaders". 1) What gear lube do you recommend once the rebuild is complete? Specifically, what is your take on the synthetic lubes versus dinosaur juice? 2) What does it take to "upgrade" from a "wide ratio" gear set to a "close ratio" gear set? Basically, if we're already in there and gears need to be changed out from wear, is it a simple swap to get the "close ratio" to improve acceleration? Or is it a pain in the keister? Thanx for the videos - can't wait for the conclusion(s).
Changing ratios depends on your final drive ratio . The 2.78 ratio box is best for most applications
Hello, my friend. I’m having an issue with the linkage of my Muncie. I know this is a different subject video, but the Muncie videos were 6+ years ago and I wanted to be sure you saw my question.
I followed your instructions to install the linkage exactly. My problem now, that it’s back in the car, I’m having trouble keeping the clips from binding up. I bought new ones along with bushings. They get hung up and won’t let the levers move independently. Ideas? Thanks.
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It is very useful. Thank you. I have a question. You said we should not use synchro ring gear provided in rebuilt kit. What ring should we buy and where? Also, which rebuilt kit should we buy ? i am looking to do a full rebuilt. If all the synchro ringns in kits are bad, could we buy yours ? Ship to canada ? Thank again! :)
I sell my own kits on my website links are in the video description
ok thank you i did not see it at first. i am gona disassemble my transmission like you show me lock what i need to replace and then order a kit at your website. Sorry for my bad english. i am french. do you ship to canada ?
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Thank You ! So Much Learning is ALL TY
It was interesting what you were mentioning about the selection fork rubbing against the slider and overheating the synchro assembly.
I have a transmission 5spd Aisin r72 that likes to overheat during highway drives.
I put redline 75w90 gl4 in it changed 3 times/year. Case capacity is 1.4L lubricant, engine is 1328cc Suzuki.
I notice after doing highway the synchronization is not smooth, especially 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th.
Gear 1 & 2 are low spd synchros.
The interlock is probably a little worn because it's always a little bit tough to get into 1st and 2nd when moving the stick laterally and then engaging.
The throwout is in good working condition and the clutch cable is also good.
The issue with the duty cycle and heat must be syncro related but what would typically make a manual trans get hot without towing?
Could it be bearings?
Btw I want to thank you for all you do Paul, your videos are absolutely the best I can always see everything so well and your explanations are quite good.
I was so happy to see new videos uploaded, hallelujah!
Could be as simple as air circulation. Some of the later mustangs that had Getrag six speeds in them had overheating issues mainly due to not enough air getting around the transmission and cooling it. Remember there are no coolers on these transmissions so air is essential. Their fix was to run additional air funnels directed towards the transmission
@@GearBoxVideo interesting, I think your probably right because it's very nested up inside the trans tunnel.
How do ppl run lines for trans coolers is it possible to fit bungs into the oil drain and fill plugs?
I swear I've seen such modifications before.
Either way thank you for your input I will supplement your coffee equipment fund 👍
What fluid do you recommend for the Borg Warner t5
I use royal purple synchromax
Have done my share of grinding dog teeth so the gears can be reused without jumping out of gear usually on m20 Holden stuff.
I wish I would have known this when I pulled apart my zf6 speed on my 2002 F350 7.3L diesel 4x4.. I changed out syncro's and got it all back together, and it still pops out of 2nd gear. I just assumed it needs new detents-- but now I see that I probably needed to grind the slightly tapered teeth on the 2nd gear. The devil is in the details.
@@calholli Also look at the slide that engages with the faulty gear dogs. And look for ways to reduce mainshaft endfloat. There's usually one bearing that is retained that can be shimmed or other.
When I was seven, my dad bought a new '63 Pontiac Catalina with a three-on-the-tree, a rare combination even then. A few years later, the car would jump out of third gear under heavy throttle. He would hold the lever down by hand to keep that from happening. Decades later working for BorgWarner, I would learn the importance of back-taper on synchro-ring teeth and finally understand what the problem was. I don't think GM cared about the shortcomings of its 20 year old 3-speed MTs that were too weak to be behind 389 V8 engines!
The early T10 And T85 3 speed which was probably in the Catalina suffered from jump out due to tooth distortion as shown in the video. Warner was the first to offer the sliders as a repair upgrade
@@GearBoxVideo T85... I have always assumed that a GM 3-speed would have been a GM Muncie or GM Saginaw built box. You are a fountain of info. Thanks!
Paul,
Where do i buy a soft steel hammer like I see you using in the videos? I google searched in the past but don't know what the proper name is, or who sells them.
thanks
Malleable Iron hammers --- google it
@@GearBoxVideo thank you
I use a plastic face hammer. You have to get one with lots of weight to it, the little ones are no good.
Taiwan =/= China, the things they make are pretty good. The whole problem is, I think, with people mixing it up with China. I once bought a turn signal relay for my Nissan, and the guy in the shop said it will be a chinese one. I was surprised when the part turned up and it was actually taiwanese. So even the sellers sometimes don't know the difference...
Very true . There is a difference because certain raw materials are not accessible in China compared to Taiwan
If you wanna hit 100k you gotta keep up the new videos daddy-o! As they say . Monkey See - Monkey Do! You don't know until your shown and I sure didn't know that about the drive dogs! What does that groove cut 2/3rds across in the new gear you show at 1:30 do? When are you gonna show us the gearbox in the White Countach? It's your car isn;'t it? 😅
Hey Chuck most manual transmissions used ID grooves to identify ratios during assembly. Later Toploaders, all Muncies, T10's and ST10 transmissions have them... ya dig?
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Good video, great information, thanks for the details. I'd buy you a coffee, but my $51.51/month income , barely buys me a few beans, lol 😆But i will do what i can, and a big thumbs up.
Thanks!
Thank you so much