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*Legolas attaches the Ring to an arrow in Rivendell and fires. The arrow falls into Mount Doom and the Ring is destroyed. Barad-Dûr falls, the Orcs either scatter or are slain, the Nazgûl are obliterated* Gimli: That still only counts as one!
I think Merry is the most underrated member of the Fellowship. Everyone else seems to get more love, but it should not be forgotten that Merry helped Eowyn to slay the Witch King of Angmar, one of the most powerful enemies in Middle Earth
THIS!! The Witch King is probably around number 5 in terms of power on the Evil side of things. 1) Ungoliant the Spider, 2) Melkor/Morgoth, 3) Gothmog the Balrog, 4) Sauron, 5) the Witch-King of Angmar
"He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship." ― Tolkein’s description of Legolas in The Book of Lost Tales Part Two
Judged strictly on battlefield prowess, Legolas may be the most valuable member of the Fellowship. You've got a deadly sniper with superhuman vision who can stand in relative safety and pick off any enemy he wants. Then, when he's out of arrows, he's about as good in melee combat as Aragorn or Gimli. At that point in Middle-earth, the list of warriors more skilled than Legolas probably is pretty short - maybe Aragorn and a couple other Dunedain, probably Thranduil, Glorfindel and Elrond, the Witch-King, Gandalf and Galadriel.
All of the Nazgul. And the sons of Elrond would be more skilled than Legolas. Celeborn as well. Though he is not listed as performing any specific martial deeds, he was a major contributor in driving Sauron out of Dol Guldur. Celeborn is also as old or older than Thranduil, and is of nobler blood. He is older than Elrond. Probably many of the elves of Lothlorien are as skilled as Legolas. Who knows what types of Elven warriors might be living at the Grey Havens still. That is where the High King of the Noldor (Gil-Galad) had dwelt, and there are probably veterans of the Last Alliance who fought in Mordor there. Boromir was a more formidable warrior than Legolas - he was recognized as the greatest champion in all of Gondor, and perhaps the greatest warrior for many generations in Gondor. Sean Bean is ok and all, but he didn't convey how much of a beast Boromir was supposed to be. They should have gotten a body builder or a strongman athlete to play him. He was a warlord, the chief captain of all of the armies of Gondor, with probably a little Numenorean blood in him. Legolas and Gimli in the books were respectable warriors each, but not especially remarkable ones. Gimli was probably an above average fighter among Dwarves, but I doubt he was the best of their whole race. King Dain for example was still alive, and he was a truly legendary Dwarf warrior. Gimli was more or less even with Legolas in effectiveness, so perhaps dozens or hundreds of Dwarves would be equal to Legolas in combat.
But, if you notice, all of those elves that have been listed are leaders, etc. Legolas was the right elf for the job. He was available, free, and the others were needed to guard their realms (the war was just beginning and Dol Guldor had just been defeated, too).
@@FinraenI’d agree on your take on Boromir. I mean in the books my guy straight up challenged Durins Bane and even made him hesitate with the Horn of Gondor. I think where Sean Bean did Boromir real justice is his death scene where he dies protecting the hobbits. I mean the guy took three lethally placed arrows before he finally went down and that’s after he killed countless Uruk hai while bleeding out. Peter Jackson only had so much to work with but I think he managed to pick a dope cast for their respective roles. He did after all pick the perfect actor for a character who dies. Sean Bean is the master of big screen death scenes.
@@Finraenas for your take on Legolas’s skill I’d have to disagree. I’d say that Legolas compliments his team on what they lack. His battle prowess and archery are better than the entire fellowships. What he lacks is durability unlike Gimli and Aragorn that’s why he prefers more elusive fighting. And they make up what he lacks in physical power. And Gandalf is essentially the magic carry as he’s the only one of the group who can actually use magic. They all have their roles and their fighting abilities differ greatly but it was because of that variety that made them so formidable. If you put Legolas in close range against a dwarf he would likely lose as that’s where all dwarves thrive and are at their most dangerous where as Legolas is at his most lethal at a distance. In fact I think only another elf like Celebrimbor, Feanor, or Gil-Galad or a Miyar could beat Legolas’s skill.
@@azazelsiad3601 if I may, I have some slight disagreement to what you said. The only time I recall the Professor mentioning a particular skill at archery to the elves it was specifically to the Elves of Mirkwood. The other elves you mentioned are Noldor, not Sindar.. Celebrimbor was a craftsman, Feanor, if my memory serves me, used a sword, and Gil-Galad was a spearman. not to say they could not be skilled with a bow, but just noting that the elves ofGreenwood the Great, and later Mirkwood, were known, even among the Elves for their skill at archery
In my opinion, Legolas was not underrated, just that most of the spotlight in the movie was on Aragorn. But then as I have remembered, Legolas' character is more popular to most of the non LOTR book readers or non LOTR fans. The display of archery skills in the movie were just amazing.
I think Pippin is also very underrated! They make him look silly and even stupid. But Pippin was playing stupid for most part of the time, in the beginning of the story. He knew about Frodo and the Ring since the start, and fooled Frodo on that. And he managed to take care of himself and Merry when they were being taken to Isengard.
When Pippin drops the pebble into the deep part of Moria, and alerts the Balrog that there are intruders, he appears to be under some sort of compulsion from the Valar. It's a subtle and understated divine action, but a careful reading supports this idea. The "fool of a Tuck" set in course a chain of events that led to the destruction of arguably the second greatest evil of the age, Durin's Bane. He then "accidentally" runs into Fangorn, or Treebeard, and sets in motion a chain of events that leads to the defeat of Saruman, arguably the third most powerful evil of the age. He appears to be an agent of divine will not once, but twice, as it's highly improbable that a random tree in a forest is actually the oldest Ent alive. He also 'borrows' the Palantir and misleads Sauron into thinking that Saruman has the ring (maybe a third divine intervention), saves Faramir from death, and stops Saruman a second time during the Scouring of the Shire. Not bad for a hobbit.
Pippin was the youngest member of the fellowship. in human standard, he was just a teenager. That's why he often acted a bit childishly. Because, he was one.
I couldnt agree more! Legolas is the most underrated member of the Fellowship. Orlando Bloom's portrayal capitvated the screen without even having much dialogue. He grows to be more understanding, caring, and generous to the other members of the Fellowship who become his friends. He is my favorite!
I think Boromir is the most Underarted member of the Fellowship, but from the very first time Legolas was just Legolas, so special so awsome in everything and I think that I've never been happier than when I saw his return in Desolation of Smaug, I know he wasnt in the books but I just loved him! James as always great and interesting video you guys always make my day better with Middle-earth content!
Was gonna say Boromir would have been the most interesting underrated character since his potential, if he had not fallen, would have been suuuper fun to see 😀
Sean Bean is OK. But he didn't really convey how much of a *beast* Boromir was supposed to be. They should have gotten a body builder or strongman athlete to play him. Boromir was recognized as the greatest champion and warrior in all of Gondor. He was a warlord and chief Captain of all of the armies of Gondor, and was high born. Sauron and the Witch King were literally more preoccupied with Boromir than anyone else except maybe the White Council prior to the Council of Elrond happening. Gondor had already been at war with Mordor, and so-far it was basically Boromir vs. Sauron in that war. He was successful at first, but when Boromir and Faramir lost control of East Osgiliath he went north to find allies for the war effort to aid Gondor.
Being an Elf and royalty Legolas has had the ability to master many weapons and travel extensively through out Middle Earth . But in my opinion because he traveled sooo much he was able to go where needed !
he isn't traveled at all. he never really left Mirkwood until the war of the ring. he has never visited loth Lorien, or seen the ocean. now he might have made it to Rivendell before the council, but there is no proof of that.
I find it hard to choose the most underrated. Each character was instrumental, each had their own pivotal role, and that is the beauty of Eru/Tolkien's creation, showing how we can each play a part in making a difference for the good.
I do so wish Peter Jackson and his team had seen fit to give us more of Legolas’s dialogue from the book. I’ve never felt like the movies really captured the mix of solemnity and joy of Tolkien’s elves.
That quote from the Fellowship of the Ring when they were on Caradhras is so good. He's a joyful, witty character in the books and sadly this isn't shown very much in the films. I personally think the "shall I find you a box" quip is when his characterization in the films is closest to the books and it's one of my favourites.
I was playing mostly as Legolas in the LotR TT and RotK Games when I was a kid and I still see myself as him to this day in the LotR and Hobbit Trilogies
Faramir was a little underrated I believe. He was a good warrior and he was able to sympathize with people even those that were his enemy. " The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he comes from, and if he really was evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home, or he would not rather have stayed there... in peace? War will make corpses of us all"
A part of me keeps hoping that someone will discover a lost genealogy or notes about Legolas' lineage that provides a bit more detail into his history (mother, possible siblings, other relatives, etc.). Tolkien's few notes about Thranduil and his father Oropher is pretty much all that we have outside of LotR. I remember that Iron Crown's Middle-Earth Role Play (MERP) gave us a name for and description of Thranduil's queen (Lady Arhendhiril). And The Heart of the Wild (an expansion for Cubicle 7's The One Ring) suggests that Thranduil had more than one son. Of course none of this is canon to the legendarium.
Reading the book I was always under the impression that gimli announced that he got 43 and then asked how many Legolas got who definitely had more than 43 but said 42 to let Gimli win because he was just glad he was alive
I saw the Trilogy ion the big screen. Legolas gained a standing ovation when he brought down the Oliphant. I do think he was underrated, especially in light of Tolkien himself saying something about of all the members of the Fellowship, Legolas accomplished the least. I don't think he meant to disparage all that Legolas did for the quest, but that no matter the outcome, the time of the Elves was over. And Legolas himself would be leaving Middle Earth. Befriending a dwarf was no mean feat, and being able to transport the one and only dwarf to ever see the undying lands, that was beyond remarkable.
His way of mounting a horse is a unique one. I always feel like he about to kick Gimli's face while doing it. xD Which honestly had been so fun in the movies XD Tho why the hobbits invented golf, Legolas invented Skateboard with a shield. xD
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I have a number of quibbles with your analysis which at times I found bore little resemblance to the book. Among them; 1) Why was Legolas chosen to be a member of the Fellowship? Because he arrived for the meeting with the news of Gollum. All the members of the fellowship were originally travelers to Rivendell in what was a confluence of individuals more than coincidence. 2) The message from Galadriel to Legolas was far from mysterious. While he had been a member of the Silven Elves and so largely landlocked, it is well understood that the elves had a special relationship to the Sundering Sea and Valinor. Galadriel simply had the foresight to know that once Legolas heard the cry of the seagulls, he would sooner or later return across that Sundering Sea and pass into the west.
Speaking as one who fell into the universe when I was 14, within the story, each character is valued and necessary. From Bilbo to the wizards to Grima Wormtongue to Denethor to Sauron himself. Translating a written work to a script and thence to a screen presence is difficult and the needs of the visual presentation are different than that of print, so, PJ made choices to keep viewers who did not know the story involved. Yes, there were changes, but they work. So, I don't really see any of the characters as being undervalued ... maybe Eomer because he comes across as "just a warrior with a good heart". Thanks for the presentation.
Legolas had to join the fellowship to learn diplomacy, humility, ability to forgive and move on, as well as the respect, that would be needed to forge the hugely important relationship with Gimli, from Gimli himself.
I think Sam is the most underrated character. I see him as the true hero of the story. Frodo suffered the effects of the burden but it was ultimately that got him where he needed to be.
I don't want to say Sam is overrated because he's a wonderful character so it's right that people love him, but this "Sam is the true hero" business is very tiresome to me. In the books, after Frodo was taken by the orcs to Cirith Ungol, Sam had the Ring for all of five minutes before he was already starting to royally screw things up. Luckily he had the "plain hobbit sense" to make it right and get the Ring back to its bearer. Frodo could never have asked for a more loyal companion than Sam, but Sam could never have done what Frodo did. I see appreciation for Sam everywhere but never see any for Frodo.
@@cristinaeowynfagone7663 He said "chief hero", which I interpret to mean "protagonist", and that makes some amount of sense considering that Sam is a much more relatable character to most people than the Chosen One. But when fans call Sam the "true hero", words Tolkien never said, they mean that he is actually more heroic than other characters, and many do it specifically to diminish Frodo. Tons of fans are bafflingly dismissive of Frodo, and that really pisses me off because of all the characters, he's the one who lost everything for the sake of his quest. And I want people to put some respect on that.
Sam indeed is overlooked by the story a little and how much his "lesser actions" add up. but people / fans have realized it and he is voiced as "the unsung hero". Which then means, that.. in one aspect, yes he is underrated but on the other hand.. he isn't :)
Sam is in no way underrated. He is very heavily rated...he's just a simple person and was designed to be the servant who is so good at it that he becomes the master.
Legolas has always been my favorite. Since my ears have always had a slight elven shape, I fancy myself a very very distance descendant … that is… if you believe such things lol!
Legolas was always my favorite. His skill and cheer in the books will always make him my favorite. Underrated yes by a great margin. I'm afraid the movie and streaming industry has gotten into the cost being more important that the story! I'm sure it's always been that way. I will relish the day the story takes precedence and the cost is nothing.
I felt like we should have more screen time with Legolas. I feel like there were definitely some missed opportunities. But, I love the way he is presented either book or movie. Definitely my favorite character.
I think that Boromir might be the most underrated character. I have yet to read the books but I feel that in the movies, his reality is overshadowed by the more powerful people in the company.
Yes Boromii was a monster in the Books close to Aragorn in lengh (and Aragorn was 205 centimeters) But broader in his youth he liked to partake in Gladiator like combats which i think he never loose in his last fight he singlehandly killed about 20 orcs several Uruk-Hai included and he scared the orcs to retreat 3 times before they finaly brought him down
@@frnt2bak Gondor was prepared as good as possible they had so few men becuse they had to leave alot to the south to defend against the pirates of Umbar. Boromir had probably raised the morale if he was there though!
@@skaraturbo well you know he probably wouldnt have waited until the army was at the gate, he would have had trebuchets and arrows firing as soon as he could
What makes Legolas so special is the following: He is the son of an Elf lord (the Mirkwood king). And his bow hits the target with a 100% margin. And he is sweet and handsome. (and he has that from his birth mother). including his love for others. His fighting skills (he got them from his father).
I think Legolas got his shine and we'll deserved it is. He is an excellent warrior who's skills are second to none. We 💘Legolas Greenleaf. He brought to this trilogy everything needed from a character such as himself. I'm forever grateful for Orlando Bloom
Legolas is my favorite but Merry I believe is the most underrated. His foolishness which caused chaos always led to something greater. It reminds of the scripture "God works in mysterious ways".
The quote regarding Legolas' describing to Samwise their approach into Lothlorien as not being a surprise to the Elves reminds us too of the movie moment when the Elves ask "where is Gandalf?" ........
I did read the Book of Lost tales by Tolkien. If memory serves Legolas was a great warrior early in his life. Forget his early home, but Balrogs overran it and killed both king and queen. Legolas was part of the rear guard defending the evacuees and fighting Balrogs in the mountain passes. He was a skilled fighter even by Tolkien standards. I think his character in the Trilogy movies is the glue that binds the fellowship. Read the the lost tales if you are hungry for more Tolkien tales. The Children of Hurin is a great story as well but a little dark.
The letters meaning was quite simple, As a Sylvan Elf Legolas doesn't feel the pull of Valar like the other elves. But Galadriel warned him that if he saw or heard the sea, his heart wouldn't be content in Middle-earth anymore and he would long to visit the undying lands like the other Elves. And indeed that's what happened. Also, Legolas wasn't the first choice. Glorfindel was the best choice, as he is one of the few Elves who are on par or even mightier than Galadriel with actual battle experience surpassing anyone living in Middle-Earth. However, he declined it because if anyone of his power were to move along with Gandalf, Sauron's sight would be on them instantly. Since the fellowships quest was to be secret, he wasn't suited for it.
Bill was the most under rated. In his short time with the party, he carried most of the load and never complained. Had he made it into Moria, they could have taken out the Balrog and the orcs without losing Gandalf.
Definitely Bloom's performance. He (and Jackson) turned an Elven prince into a mix of Conan and John Wick. And that's just badass, I don't care who you are.
What makes Legolas special? He is absolutely gorgeous ❤ Boromir is the most hunky manly man - swoon! Sam is the true hero of LOTR and most underrated character.
I’m sure others have pointed this out but Legolas and Gimli were both chosen for the fellowship because they were already going to be traveling that way anyway. Elrond says as much and that they are free to spilt off and go home wherever they want.
Oh! One last thing: am I the only one who tries to see logic behind Legolas’ eye colour changing in the movies? I’m like “when he’s sad or in face of Darkness, his eyes are dark; when he faces light, like Galadriel, Gandalf, the Sun etc, they shine in blue” 😁
On Film Legolas is a wonderful Happy Dude and is an esxellant warrior! In book he is good too! Just like Gimli, and bothbecome Happy after the fall of Darkness! Elf & Dwarf who are HAPPY to have a Brotherhood, as they Sould!
I love book Legolas so much. The movies definitely have a more dour tone than the books do and while I understand the reason (there are very dark moments in the story, and because the movies are condensed, they sort of need to keep a more constant tone to avoid whiplash) I do think it's to their detriment sometimes. Legolas is cool in the LOTR movies, but he is missing that loveable quality that he has in the books.
I know it's an old argument, because Tolkein does not give a detailed physical description of Legolas, but I was kind of shocked and disappointed when early movie stills were released and he had blonde hair. The impression from the books is that all the elves have black hair, except for the line of Finwe and Indis (Galadriel's family line) who had golden hair. Of course I came to love our blonde Legolas - thank you Orlando Bloom!
Boromir is undoubtedly the most underrated member, purely because the Ring took hold of him. But putting that aside, he's loyal, protective and honourable and defends the Hobbits even whilst being pierced by two arrows, and his last moments with Aragorn... I could type essays on that scene...
I feel like in the FotR, TT, & RotK movies, the hair choice for him is one of those scenarios of "styles of the time effecting hair/makeup/costume design". 2001-2003 the "bleach blonde" highlighting and dying hair blonde as a regular style choice was back in spades. I agree, Legolas' hair in the books and just in general would not have been the type of tow-headed blond they choice for the movies.
@@mariewagner5283 Yes, as Sindar Elves from Doriath, kin of Thingol, they probably had silver hair. We don’t know about Legolas’ mother and grandmother, for example, but they were probably off the Sindar or of the Silvan (Nandor), all of which had silver hair. I only imagine that if they were of the Noldor, for example, it would be stated by Tolkien.
Interesting. I aways thought of Legolas as the George to Gimli's Gracie. His one-liners may be subtle but you gotta admit, they make you smile. (As for book or movie, I so appreciate you always acknowledging that they are two different media with unique requirements and definite limitations.) Love your work🎉
Ah yes, the first guy i ever though i'd merry just to learn that he is neither blond nor an elf in real life, which 8 year-old me declared to be a horrible lie and there for Legolas was no longer a husband material. The thing i am ashamed of is that Orlando not being blond bothered me much more than him being a human actor, not elvish prince.
In the book the kill tallies are 41 and 42. I never understood why Jackson changed it by one. I can only assume he mixed up the numbers. Not that it matters, the point is made regardless, it’s just an interesting discrepancy between the film and the book.
Since i saw this trilogy for the first time there was no doubt that Legolas was the coolest amongst them, and archers was always just way cooler than normal sword wielders
I read all of the books as a kid and Legolas has always been my favorite character. I like how you took note of the difference in potraying the character from book to film. He was never underrated, imo. If anyone in the Fellowship were to be underrated it would be the hobbits. Not the warriors or Gandalf.
What makes him special is they don’t just tell you about his power, they show it through his actions, he walks on snow, and has the sight, not to mention his combat skill
THE CAST IS PERFECT AND THE POTRAIL WAS AWESOME. NO OTHER ACTOR CAN DO LEGOLAS I SAW ORLANDO LOOM FIRST TIM IN 2003 IN THIS CHARACTER. THEY ALL ARE PERFECT NOBODY CAN DO BETTER THAN THEM.
I think the most underrated is definitely Sam. If it weren't for Sam, Frodo would NEVER NEVER NEVER have made it to Mordor and everything else would have been for nothing. Sam was completely selfless and totally courageous from the time he and Frodo set off for Mount Doom. Sam fed them, carried the supplies and kept a watchful eye on Gollum. He defeated Shalob and carried Frodo up the mountain and pulled him to safety after the ring was destroyed. However, Sam is my second favorite character, my fave is Legolas.
im still trigured that legolas, a master of the bow who makes insane shots as easy as breathing, does not kill the orc at helmsdeep with 2 shots even after taking a second to aim more properly. i do not know how things played out in the books but that is a clear thing i noticed in the films
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Then there is also the fact that he charmed Katy Perry.
At Ren faire this time I saw him at rensfaire in Harveyburge
Honestly, I also believe that Orlando Bloom’s portrayal of Legolas helped accelerate the character’s popularity….
the movies definitely made him a bigger deal than in the books
Yup, Orlando Bloom. 😍
Agreed on that one! Peter Jackson choised the right person.
Agreed. He understood the assignment given by Jackson.
He was hot
*Legolas attaches the Ring to an arrow in Rivendell and fires. The arrow falls into Mount Doom and the Ring is destroyed. Barad-Dûr falls, the Orcs either scatter or are slain, the Nazgûl are obliterated*
Gimli: That still only counts as one!
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I think Merry is the most underrated member of the Fellowship. Everyone else seems to get more love, but it should not be forgotten that Merry helped Eowyn to slay the Witch King of Angmar, one of the most powerful enemies in Middle Earth
Merry dropped the bones down the well, this I can never forgive
@@MrBarnettcm That was Pippin
THIS!! The Witch King is probably around number 5 in terms of power on the Evil side of things. 1) Ungoliant the Spider, 2) Melkor/Morgoth, 3) Gothmog the Balrog, 4) Sauron, 5) the Witch-King of Angmar
Merry was a stud from the very beginning honestly.
Then do a video on him, (and Merry is my favorite of the Hobbits) but this video is for Legolas.
"He was tall as a young tree, lithe, immensely strong, able swiftly to draw a great war-bow and shoot down a Nazgûl, endowed with the tremendous vitality of Elvish bodies, so hard and resistant to hurt that he went only in light shoes over rock or through snow, the most tireless of all the Fellowship." ― Tolkein’s description of Legolas in The Book of Lost Tales Part Two
Judged strictly on battlefield prowess, Legolas may be the most valuable member of the Fellowship. You've got a deadly sniper with superhuman vision who can stand in relative safety and pick off any enemy he wants. Then, when he's out of arrows, he's about as good in melee combat as Aragorn or Gimli. At that point in Middle-earth, the list of warriors more skilled than Legolas probably is pretty short - maybe Aragorn and a couple other Dunedain, probably Thranduil, Glorfindel and Elrond, the Witch-King, Gandalf and Galadriel.
All of the Nazgul. And the sons of Elrond would be more skilled than Legolas. Celeborn as well. Though he is not listed as performing any specific martial deeds, he was a major contributor in driving Sauron out of Dol Guldur. Celeborn is also as old or older than Thranduil, and is of nobler blood. He is older than Elrond. Probably many of the elves of Lothlorien are as skilled as Legolas. Who knows what types of Elven warriors might be living at the Grey Havens still. That is where the High King of the Noldor (Gil-Galad) had dwelt, and there are probably veterans of the Last Alliance who fought in Mordor there. Boromir was a more formidable warrior than Legolas - he was recognized as the greatest champion in all of Gondor, and perhaps the greatest warrior for many generations in Gondor. Sean Bean is ok and all, but he didn't convey how much of a beast Boromir was supposed to be. They should have gotten a body builder or a strongman athlete to play him. He was a warlord, the chief captain of all of the armies of Gondor, with probably a little Numenorean blood in him.
Legolas and Gimli in the books were respectable warriors each, but not especially remarkable ones. Gimli was probably an above average fighter among Dwarves, but I doubt he was the best of their whole race. King Dain for example was still alive, and he was a truly legendary Dwarf warrior. Gimli was more or less even with Legolas in effectiveness, so perhaps dozens or hundreds of Dwarves would be equal to Legolas in combat.
But, if you notice, all of those elves that have been listed are leaders, etc. Legolas was the right elf for the job. He was available, free, and the others were needed to guard their realms (the war was just beginning and Dol Guldor had just been defeated, too).
@@FinraenI’d agree on your take on Boromir. I mean in the books my guy straight up challenged Durins Bane and even made him hesitate with the Horn of Gondor. I think where Sean Bean did Boromir real justice is his death scene where he dies protecting the hobbits. I mean the guy took three lethally placed arrows before he finally went down and that’s after he killed countless Uruk hai while bleeding out. Peter Jackson only had so much to work with but I think he managed to pick a dope cast for their respective roles. He did after all pick the perfect actor for a character who dies. Sean Bean is the master of big screen death scenes.
@@Finraenas for your take on Legolas’s skill I’d have to disagree. I’d say that Legolas compliments his team on what they lack. His battle prowess and archery are better than the entire fellowships. What he lacks is durability unlike Gimli and Aragorn that’s why he prefers more elusive fighting. And they make up what he lacks in physical power. And Gandalf is essentially the magic carry as he’s the only one of the group who can actually use magic. They all have their roles and their fighting abilities differ greatly but it was because of that variety that made them so formidable. If you put Legolas in close range against a dwarf he would likely lose as that’s where all dwarves thrive and are at their most dangerous where as Legolas is at his most lethal at a distance. In fact I think only another elf like Celebrimbor, Feanor, or Gil-Galad or a Miyar could beat Legolas’s skill.
@@azazelsiad3601 if I may, I have some slight disagreement to what you said. The only time I recall the Professor mentioning a particular skill at archery to the elves it was specifically to the Elves of Mirkwood. The other elves you mentioned are Noldor, not Sindar.. Celebrimbor was a craftsman, Feanor, if my memory serves me, used a sword, and Gil-Galad was a spearman.
not to say they could not be skilled with a bow, but just noting that the elves ofGreenwood the Great, and later Mirkwood, were known, even among the Elves for their skill at archery
In my opinion, Legolas was not underrated, just that most of the spotlight in the movie was on Aragorn. But then as I have remembered, Legolas' character is more popular to most of the non LOTR book readers or non LOTR fans. The display of archery skills in the movie were just amazing.
He doesn't obey gravity!
walking on snow make the same sense as walking on falling bricks.
@Mark Engesser
Slightly different. Dispersing your weight carefully across a mass like snow isn't the same as pushing off of already falling objects.
@@pc4mlc451 no shit Sherlock
@@pc4mlc451 True actually some animals can walk on snow without sinking!
That made me check out of the film. Absurd!
Still a fan of Legolas though😎
I think Pippin is also very underrated! They make him look silly and even stupid. But Pippin was playing stupid for most part of the time, in the beginning of the story. He knew about Frodo and the Ring since the start, and fooled Frodo on that. And he managed to take care of himself and Merry when they were being taken to Isengard.
Fredegar too! He was one of the conspirators and knew Frodo had the one ring and helped him escape the Shire undetected.
When Pippin drops the pebble into the deep part of Moria, and alerts the Balrog that there are intruders, he appears to be under some sort of compulsion from the Valar. It's a subtle and understated divine action, but a careful reading supports this idea. The "fool of a Tuck" set in course a chain of events that led to the destruction of arguably the second greatest evil of the age, Durin's Bane. He then "accidentally" runs into Fangorn, or Treebeard, and sets in motion a chain of events that leads to the defeat of Saruman, arguably the third most powerful evil of the age. He appears to be an agent of divine will not once, but twice, as it's highly improbable that a random tree in a forest is actually the oldest Ent alive. He also 'borrows' the Palantir and misleads Sauron into thinking that Saruman has the ring (maybe a third divine intervention), saves Faramir from death, and stops Saruman a second time during the Scouring of the Shire. Not bad for a hobbit.
He's not stupid, per se, just young. He's the youngest member of the fellowship
Pippin was the youngest member of the fellowship. in human standard, he was just a teenager. That's why he often acted a bit childishly. Because, he was one.
Orlando played this role so well! Its crazy that after so many years, Peter Jacksons choices were spot on for everyone!
I couldnt agree more! Legolas is the most underrated member of the Fellowship. Orlando Bloom's portrayal capitvated the screen without even having much dialogue. He grows to be more understanding, caring, and generous to the other members of the Fellowship who become his friends. He is my favorite!
"What Makes Legolas So Special?" He is a beautiful man. Period.
I think Boromir is the most Underarted member of the Fellowship, but from the very first time Legolas was just Legolas, so special so awsome in everything and I think that I've never been happier than when I saw his return in Desolation of Smaug, I know he wasnt in the books but I just loved him!
James as always great and interesting video you guys always make my day better with Middle-earth content!
Agreed with Boromir. Be at peace, son of Gondor x
Book Boromir is top tier
Was gonna say Boromir would have been the most interesting underrated character since his potential, if he had not fallen, would have been suuuper fun to see 😀
Sean Bean is OK. But he didn't really convey how much of a *beast* Boromir was supposed to be. They should have gotten a body builder or strongman athlete to play him. Boromir was recognized as the greatest champion and warrior in all of Gondor. He was a warlord and chief Captain of all of the armies of Gondor, and was high born. Sauron and the Witch King were literally more preoccupied with Boromir than anyone else except maybe the White Council prior to the Council of Elrond happening. Gondor had already been at war with Mordor, and so-far it was basically Boromir vs. Sauron in that war. He was successful at first, but when Boromir and Faramir lost control of East Osgiliath he went north to find allies for the war effort to aid Gondor.
He looks so sweet and innocent and then thoroughly enjoys killing orcs.
Being an Elf and royalty Legolas has had the ability to master many weapons and travel extensively through out Middle Earth . But in my opinion because he traveled sooo much he was able to go where needed !
he isn't traveled at all. he never really left Mirkwood until the war of the ring. he has never visited loth Lorien, or seen the ocean. now he might have made it to Rivendell before the council, but there is no proof of that.
100% because he used a shield as a skateboard while still firing.
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Plankton's Voice: "CORRECT!"
Snowboard
One of my favorite scenes
I find it hard to choose the most underrated. Each character was instrumental, each had their own pivotal role, and that is the beauty of Eru/Tolkien's creation, showing how we can each play a part in making a difference for the good.
Eomer is my choice but I'm a huge fan of the actor
I totally agree that Legolas is the most underrated member of the Fellowship.
i hate him
Legalos always loves to do things the cool way
I can’t believe it’s been 20 years and I’m still noticing new places Orlando Bloom forgot to wear his contacts
I do so wish Peter Jackson and his team had seen fit to give us more of Legolas’s dialogue from the book. I’ve never felt like the movies really captured the mix of solemnity and joy of Tolkien’s elves.
That quote from the Fellowship of the Ring when they were on Caradhras is so good. He's a joyful, witty character in the books and sadly this isn't shown very much in the films. I personally think the "shall I find you a box" quip is when his characterization in the films is closest to the books and it's one of my favourites.
I was playing mostly as Legolas in the LotR TT and RotK Games when I was a kid and I still see myself as him to this day in the LotR and Hobbit Trilogies
Faramir was a little underrated I believe. He was a good warrior and he was able to sympathize with people even those that were his enemy. " The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. You wonder what his name is, where he comes from, and if he really was evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home, or he would not rather have stayed there... in peace? War will make corpses of us all"
A part of me keeps hoping that someone will discover a lost genealogy or notes about Legolas' lineage that provides a bit more detail into his history (mother, possible siblings, other relatives, etc.). Tolkien's few notes about Thranduil and his father Oropher is pretty much all that we have outside of LotR.
I remember that Iron Crown's Middle-Earth Role Play (MERP) gave us a name for and description of Thranduil's queen (Lady Arhendhiril). And The Heart of the Wild (an expansion for Cubicle 7's The One Ring) suggests that Thranduil had more than one son. Of course none of this is canon to the legendarium.
Reading the book I was always under the impression that gimli announced that he got 43 and then asked how many Legolas got who definitely had more than 43 but said 42 to let Gimli win because he was just glad he was alive
Yes think so too
Yeah I definitely think that as well
He's the John Wick of archery. I don't think he's ever missed
He sure failed at taking down that orc with the torch in Helm's Deep though.
@@jerryweston7552 but he never missed the Troll (I think it was a troll). Arrows and gunshots couldn't bring that monster down.
@michaelrae9599 an arrow to the head would have stopped him lol. He did hit him but failed to take him out.
That little moment on Caradhras in the books is what made me love Legolas as a character.
I never understood why L. didn't pick up the Hobbits, one or two at a time, and carry them ahead (as they were retreating) out of the snow.
@@veramae4098 Probably because the added weight would cause him to sink.
Content creator: What makes legolas special?
Fans: he's legolas.
I saw the Trilogy ion the big screen. Legolas gained a standing ovation when he brought down the Oliphant.
I do think he was underrated, especially in light of Tolkien himself saying something about of all the members of the Fellowship, Legolas accomplished the least. I don't think he meant to disparage all that Legolas did for the quest, but that no matter the outcome, the time of the Elves was over. And Legolas himself would be leaving Middle Earth. Befriending a dwarf was no mean feat, and being able to transport the one and only dwarf to ever see the undying lands, that was beyond remarkable.
His way of mounting a horse is a unique one. I always feel like he about to kick Gimli's face while doing it. xD Which honestly had been so fun in the movies XD
Tho why the hobbits invented golf, Legolas invented Skateboard with a shield. xD
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I have a number of quibbles with your analysis which at times I found bore little resemblance to the book. Among them; 1) Why was Legolas chosen to be a member of the Fellowship? Because he arrived for the meeting with the news of Gollum. All the members of the fellowship were originally travelers to Rivendell in what was a confluence of individuals more than coincidence. 2) The message from Galadriel to Legolas was far from mysterious. While he had been a member of the Silven Elves and so largely landlocked, it is well understood that the elves had a special relationship to the Sundering Sea and Valinor. Galadriel simply had the foresight to know that once Legolas heard the cry of the seagulls, he would sooner or later return across that Sundering Sea and pass into the west.
Speaking as one who fell into the universe when I was 14, within the story, each character is valued and necessary. From Bilbo to the wizards to Grima Wormtongue to Denethor to Sauron himself. Translating a written work to a script and thence to a screen presence is difficult and the needs of the visual presentation are different than that of print, so, PJ made choices to keep viewers who did not know the story involved. Yes, there were changes, but they work. So, I don't really see any of the characters as being undervalued ... maybe Eomer because he comes across as "just a warrior with a good heart". Thanks for the presentation.
Legolas had to join the fellowship to learn diplomacy, humility, ability to forgive and move on, as well as the respect, that would be needed to forge the hugely important relationship with Gimli, from Gimli himself.
I think Sam is the most underrated character. I see him as the true hero of the story. Frodo suffered the effects of the burden but it was ultimately that got him where he needed to be.
I don't want to say Sam is overrated because he's a wonderful character so it's right that people love him, but this "Sam is the true hero" business is very tiresome to me. In the books, after Frodo was taken by the orcs to Cirith Ungol, Sam had the Ring for all of five minutes before he was already starting to royally screw things up. Luckily he had the "plain hobbit sense" to make it right and get the Ring back to its bearer. Frodo could never have asked for a more loyal companion than Sam, but Sam could never have done what Frodo did. I see appreciation for Sam everywhere but never see any for Frodo.
@@aperson9847 actually Tolkien himself said that Sam is the true hero of the lord of the Rings
@@cristinaeowynfagone7663 He said "chief hero", which I interpret to mean "protagonist", and that makes some amount of sense considering that Sam is a much more relatable character to most people than the Chosen One. But when fans call Sam the "true hero", words Tolkien never said, they mean that he is actually more heroic than other characters, and many do it specifically to diminish Frodo. Tons of fans are bafflingly dismissive of Frodo, and that really pisses me off because of all the characters, he's the one who lost everything for the sake of his quest. And I want people to put some respect on that.
Sam indeed is overlooked by the story a little and how much his "lesser actions" add up.
but people / fans have realized it and he is voiced as "the unsung hero".
Which then means, that.. in one aspect, yes he is underrated but on the other hand.. he isn't :)
Sam is in no way underrated. He is very heavily rated...he's just a simple person and was designed to be the servant who is so good at it that he becomes the master.
Legolas has always been my favorite. Since my ears have always had a slight elven shape, I fancy myself a very very distance descendant … that is… if you believe such things lol!
Legolas was always my favorite. His skill and cheer in the books will always make him my favorite. Underrated yes by a great margin. I'm afraid the movie and streaming industry has gotten into the cost being more important that the story! I'm sure it's always been that way. I will relish the day the story takes precedence and the cost is nothing.
42 is the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything.
Can you imagine something?
When he sailed to Valinor he was able to meet Beleg... just saying :)
Who is Beleg?
@@millos0116 best archer in the first age and a wonderful character :)
@@bencecseszko9576 Who died from hes best friend!
@@skaraturbo Túrin Turambar :(
@@bencecseszko9576 Yeah!
Another noticeable difference between book and films are that Frodo and Legolas have more conversations and interactions with each other
Sam will always be the most under-rated member for me. I know he's already loved, but even so, I think more depended on him that most are aware.
What many commentators fail to realise, is Legolas's sheer joy of life.
I felt like we should have more screen time with Legolas. I feel like there were definitely some missed opportunities. But, I love the way he is presented either book or movie. Definitely my favorite character.
I think that Boromir might be the most underrated character. I have yet to read the books but I feel that in the movies, his reality is overshadowed by the more powerful people in the company.
In the books boromir is a great captain and had he been alive at battle of pelenor then gondor would have been prepared
He had one of the best redemption arcs
Yes Boromii was a monster in the Books close to Aragorn in lengh (and Aragorn was 205 centimeters) But broader in his youth he liked to partake in Gladiator like combats which i think he never loose in his last fight he singlehandly killed about 20 orcs several Uruk-Hai included and he scared the orcs to retreat 3 times before they finaly brought him down
@@frnt2bak Gondor was prepared as good as possible they had so few men becuse they had to leave alot to the south to defend against the pirates of Umbar. Boromir had probably raised the morale if he was there though!
@@skaraturbo well you know he probably wouldnt have waited until the army was at the gate, he would have had trebuchets and arrows firing as soon as he could
The only thing that would make him more badass would be if he had Cauliflower Elf ears. 🤷♂️😂
I don't think he needed he olansy badass.
What makes Legolas so special is the following:
He is the son of an Elf lord (the Mirkwood king).
And his bow hits the target with a 100% margin. And he is sweet and handsome. (and he has that from his birth mother). including his love for others. His fighting skills (he got them from his father).
I think Legolas got his shine and we'll deserved it is. He is an excellent warrior who's skills are second to none. We 💘Legolas Greenleaf. He brought to this trilogy everything needed from a character such as himself. I'm forever grateful for Orlando Bloom
He’s also the only member of the fellowship never to speak to Sam and Frodo
I think either Merry or Boromir are the most underrated
Legolas is my favorite but Merry I believe is the most underrated. His foolishness which caused chaos always led to something greater. It reminds of the scripture "God works in mysterious ways".
It was mostly Pippin who was the foolish one Merry was more grown up in the book atleast!
The quote regarding Legolas' describing to Samwise their approach into Lothlorien as not being a surprise to the Elves reminds us too of the movie moment when the Elves ask "where is Gandalf?" ........
I did read the Book of Lost tales by Tolkien. If memory serves Legolas was a great warrior early in his life. Forget his early home, but Balrogs overran it and killed both king and queen. Legolas was part of the rear guard defending the evacuees and fighting Balrogs in the mountain passes. He was a skilled fighter even by Tolkien standards. I think his character in the Trilogy movies is the glue that binds the fellowship. Read the the lost tales if you are hungry for more Tolkien tales. The Children of Hurin is a great story as well but a little dark.
I think you remember Glorfindel, not Legolas. Because it was Glorfindel who fights Barlog when the people fled Gondolin.
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The letters meaning was quite simple, As a Sylvan Elf Legolas doesn't feel the pull of Valar like the other elves. But Galadriel warned him that if he saw or heard the sea, his heart wouldn't be content in Middle-earth anymore and he would long to visit the undying lands like the other Elves. And indeed that's what happened.
Also, Legolas wasn't the first choice. Glorfindel was the best choice, as he is one of the few Elves who are on par or even mightier than Galadriel with actual battle experience surpassing anyone living in Middle-Earth. However, he declined it because if anyone of his power were to move along with Gandalf, Sauron's sight would be on them instantly. Since the fellowships quest was to be secret, he wasn't suited for it.
The way you described Legolas and Gimli's friendship sounded a lot like, "AND THEY WERE ROOMMATES"
No character was mutilated as much as Merry. The books Merry was a fantastic and super interesting, the movies is just a teenager on drugs
Legolas and Gimli: ‘they were very good friends… you might even call them… roommates!’
Bill was the most under rated. In his short time with the party, he carried most of the load and never complained. Had he made it into Moria, they could have taken out the Balrog and the orcs without losing Gandalf.
Definitely Bloom's performance. He (and Jackson) turned an Elven prince into a mix of Conan and John Wick. And that's just badass, I don't care who you are.
Yes he is and I love how he really is . This is masterpiece
What makes Legolas special? He is absolutely gorgeous ❤ Boromir is the most hunky manly man - swoon! Sam is the true hero of LOTR and most underrated character.
That Legolas was voiced by C-3PO is good enough for me.
😂 Legalos was awesome
“He was twitching”
Or the short version of this video: he's better and more important because he's the only elf with more than 3 pages of character development
Definitely if not the most underrated then one of
I’m sure others have pointed this out but Legolas and Gimli were both chosen for the fellowship because they were already going to be traveling that way anyway.
Elrond says as much and that they are free to spilt off and go home wherever they want.
Unshakable courage in the face of grave danger❤
Lol. Of ALL PEOPLE Legolas is NO WAY the most underrated Characters! IMO he’s one of the most loved and Hyped characters of the WHOLE SERIES! 🤷🏾♂️
Oh! One last thing: am I the only one who tries to see logic behind Legolas’ eye colour changing in the movies? I’m like “when he’s sad or in face of Darkness, his eyes are dark; when he faces light, like Galadriel, Gandalf, the Sun etc, they shine in blue” 😁
Orlando Bloom had problems with contact lenses so sometimes he had them sometimes he had to pass on them
On Film Legolas is a wonderful Happy Dude and is an esxellant warrior! In book he is good too! Just like Gimli, and bothbecome Happy after the fall of Darkness! Elf & Dwarf who are HAPPY to have a Brotherhood, as they Sould!
Dat Bloomin O Bloom,,,, so cute it hurts
I love book Legolas so much. The movies definitely have a more dour tone than the books do and while I understand the reason (there are very dark moments in the story, and because the movies are condensed, they sort of need to keep a more constant tone to avoid whiplash) I do think it's to their detriment sometimes. Legolas is cool in the LOTR movies, but he is missing that loveable quality that he has in the books.
I know it's an old argument, because Tolkein does not give a detailed physical description of Legolas, but I was kind of shocked and disappointed when early movie stills were released and he had blonde hair. The impression from the books is that all the elves have black hair, except for the line of Finwe and Indis (Galadriel's family line) who had golden hair. Of course I came to love our blonde Legolas - thank you Orlando Bloom!
@@LynetteMcGrath Doesn't Thranduil explicitly have light hair in the books? I dunno, I always imagined Legolas with blond hair.
Gimli for sure, is the most under rated character in the fellowship
Boromir is undoubtedly the most underrated member, purely because the Ring took hold of him. But putting that aside, he's loyal, protective and honourable and defends the Hobbits even whilst being pierced by two arrows, and his last moments with Aragorn... I could type essays on that scene...
Great warrior + cool bad ass + loyal friend/follower,some of the reasons.👍👏
Most of all about Legolas, he probably did not have golden hair.
I imagine it was silver.
I feel like in the FotR, TT, & RotK movies, the hair choice for him is one of those scenarios of "styles of the time effecting hair/makeup/costume design". 2001-2003 the "bleach blonde" highlighting and dying hair blonde as a regular style choice was back in spades. I agree, Legolas' hair in the books and just in general would not have been the type of tow-headed blond they choice for the movies.
@@mariewagner5283 Yes, as Sindar Elves from Doriath, kin of Thingol, they probably had silver hair. We don’t know about Legolas’ mother and grandmother, for example, but they were probably off the Sindar or of the Silvan (Nandor), all of which had silver hair. I only imagine that if they were of the Noldor, for example, it would be stated by Tolkien.
Legolas is very underrated!
Interesting. I aways thought of Legolas as the George to Gimli's Gracie. His one-liners may be subtle but you gotta admit, they make you smile. (As for book or movie, I so appreciate you always acknowledging that they are two different media with unique requirements and definite limitations.)
Love your work🎉
Ah yes, the first guy i ever though i'd merry just to learn that he is neither blond nor an elf in real life, which 8 year-old me declared to be a horrible lie and there for Legolas was no longer a husband material. The thing i am ashamed of is that Orlando not being blond bothered me much more than him being a human actor, not elvish prince.
In the book the kill tallies are 41 and 42. I never understood why Jackson changed it by one. I can only assume he mixed up the numbers.
Not that it matters, the point is made regardless, it’s just an interesting discrepancy between the film and the book.
Let's not forget that Legolas is the oldest characterin the Fellowship. By a lot.
Always my favorite character!
While I am a devoted Tolkienite I feel Samwise Gamgee is underrated in the films. He does so very much, unfaltering and with full love.
Humble, loyal, perseverant. It all would have failed if not for Sam.
Everyone and their grandmas praise Sam. Where have you been?
Glorfindel bowed out of the Fellowship so he could be a distraction elsewhere not a bullseye on them.
Legolas was amazing. If he wasn't in the film it wouldn't have been as good!
Since i saw this trilogy for the first time there was no doubt that Legolas was the coolest amongst them, and archers was always just way cooler than normal sword wielders
I do believe that each character deserves a movie of their own!!!
No.
He’s so special he can appear in stories that never contained him
I read all of the books as a kid and Legolas has always been my favorite character. I like how you took note of the difference in potraying the character from book to film. He was never underrated, imo. If anyone in the Fellowship were to be underrated it would be the hobbits. Not the warriors or Gandalf.
What makes him special is they don’t just tell you about his power, they show it through his actions, he walks on snow, and has the sight, not to mention his combat skill
THE CAST IS PERFECT AND THE POTRAIL WAS AWESOME. NO OTHER ACTOR CAN DO LEGOLAS I SAW ORLANDO LOOM FIRST TIM IN 2003 IN THIS CHARACTER. THEY ALL ARE PERFECT NOBODY CAN DO BETTER THAN THEM.
Orlando Bloom
The LOTR trilogy still holds up till this day. Master piece
*And in case you forgot…THEY’RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!!!*
I think the most underrated is definitely Sam. If it weren't for Sam, Frodo would NEVER NEVER NEVER have made it to Mordor and everything else would have been for nothing. Sam was completely selfless and totally courageous from the time he and Frodo set off for Mount Doom. Sam fed them, carried the supplies and kept a watchful eye on Gollum. He defeated Shalob and carried Frodo up the mountain and pulled him to safety after the ring was destroyed. However, Sam is my second favorite character, my fave is Legolas.
im still trigured that legolas, a master of the bow who makes insane shots as easy as breathing, does not kill the orc at helmsdeep with 2 shots even after taking a second to aim more properly. i do not know how things played out in the books but that is a clear thing i noticed in the films
The orc had the strongest armor in all ME: plot armor
Mellon I love your videos so much I could cry.
Sam is the most underrated bro. You know this