@@ohdehhan Faith is never based on facts. If we had all the facts we would not need faith. It is presumed here that most people have some idea of what a staircase is, and therefore when seeing the first step can recognize this to be the first step and have confidence that there are more. It is this confidence that leads to faith. Those that have no knowledge of staircases or what they are would not draw the same conclusion and therefore do not have faith that they are going up or down in the direction they wish to go. In the same way, I believe in God the God of Abraham because of what I know, and for me, the evidence is in science "research in the work of God" and as the creator of all things seen and unseen. Why is it so difficult in accepting that a great meal is created by a chef or cook or an airplane flies because of engineering and design but the universe did not have a designer.
@@hermanushulsen9151 My point exactly. Beacuse most people have an idea what a staircase is, and they know in fact they exist, they can be confident in infering that there will be more steps. Not really the definition of faith (ie. Not being based on facts), is it? On the other hand, someone with no idea what a staircase is taking the first step... That is faith.
Scribes, in all religions, were paid big money to write about messages that the gods were giving to them, so of course, for each individual scribe to keep writing, was the greatest of temptations. Those many conflicting stories, is why, rather than uniting devotees, the stories divide devotees into right-fighting groups.
I wouldn't pay the scribe for a single word beyond what I had dictated to him or what he had been contracted to copy. Anything extra, and he's just wasting his own ink and paper. In fact, if he hands me some messed up stuff I'd have to go back and correct, he can just keep it, and I'm not paying him at all. I'll just go find somebody else to do the job I want done.
@@OneEyedJack1970 Devotees would all only want scribes that would be willing to reflect their own systems of belief back to them. The habit of those in religion, was to burn the scribes at the stake, if they dared to write anything against one's personal doctrine of "truth" from the supposed gods, or god. Humans are the most ignorant animals on planet earth.
No john Lennox the reason Dawkins and Hawking say their is no God is because they have spent years working in their fields and have not found evidence that lead to a God! They dont have some idea to deliberately disprove God! This is a reason that shows how desperate Lennox is! Pehaps you should study the subjects and produce scientific papers instead of mocking something that you dont understand! John Lennox says that we sound dumb when we go outside our fields, exactly John Lennox this is what you have been doing for years in your debates when you have acted as though you understand the earth sciences!
No matter which religion, the problem with people reading words in books they believe contain holy information ... is ... they then want to become preachers, rather than students, and they want to instruct others how to be "saved,” or “enlightened” ... and all because ego doesn't have any way of controlling itself. Non-human animals don’t suffer from such mental blights. A person can't be searching for truth, while already claiming to know truth. The brag of knowing truth, smacks of nothing other than egoism. All we ever have, on which to re-lie, is "opinion."
@@DieElect When I still believed that the universe was created by a god, those with other religious beliefs told me that I was in a cult. I finally came to conclude that they were right, and added that all of us that believed the universe was created by a god, were in cults. Now I believe we have two choices. We can either believe that the universe was created by an entity that designed suffering as part of its plan ... or, we can believe (as did Stephen Hawking, before he died) that the universe always existed, and will always exist ... no plan involved. I prefer the second choice.
@@DieElect At one time, most all those men who were labeled as being "scientists" were certain that the universe was created by a god, or gods. Of course back then, they also believed that disease in humans was a result of the gods being angry at human behavior, and that according to "god" women were not "persons" and therefore didn't have any right to vote.
@@DieElect The religious scientist, (which is an oxymoronic statement) Anthony Leewenhoek made the following statement in the book Microbe Hunters by Paul de Kruif … published 1926 … “Life lives on life-it is cruel, but it is God’s will,” he pondered.
When is John going to tell us about all the millions he's made from the God thing why did God decide to look after John and ignore all the people in the world starving isn't this a strange God
Let me tell you something, John is richer in his heart than you can ever be with this attitude. I do not agree with many aspects of his biblical teachings, however, he is a great Philosoph. And his thinking is evidence based not like yours. You think if you do not want to understand then how can you understand? This is exactly what your problem is with your question. I can give you the answer to your question, which even John does not dare to go there. Nevertheless, let the one find it who is searching for it like it would be the greatest treasure.
@@marksandsmith6778 because its suffering thats mean God is meaningless? If suffering already have meaning how can you say its meaningless. If someone want accomplished something, they will suffer to reach it. Even you do that do you see yourself without meaning? Go and listen to Jesus sermon on the mount you will get a glimp of it.
@@hujintao3027 if god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god’s are man made and not the other way around. Furthermore, there would be no competition amongst, at present, approximately 4.300 gods which also means that every believer backs up my statement with regard to 4.299 gods :)
At 54:15, modern integrated circuit layout often involves random layout steps. One may of course argue that this is "directed", but I still "trust" the results, even though the electronic chips have pseudo randomized designs. I have often found that Lennox doesn't know much about the science or engineering he discusses. I don't mind those convenient little stories that religious apologists often tell, but the ignorance combined with arrogance is sometimes a bit much. Btw, as far as I know, I've never met a scientist or engineer who doesn't believe in minds. Lennox, as usual, seems juvenile when he talks about such things.
It takes more faith to believe that something came from nothing than to believe that something came from an intelligent being. We iediatwly recognize that a dress was designed and made from an intelligent being. How much greater is our universe.
In the beginning God. Why do we exist? Because God EXIST. Where is the problem. God is light. But Men love darkness better than light because there deeds are evil. God is LOVE that means you are loved. Love never fails.
Dear@@mick1gallagher Men's ratio tried to understand The Super Ratio, equals perplexity. Seek The Super Ratio with our hearts, not our brains. Shalom 🙏
Your research is so very appreciated by me.glad to subscribe
Go and debate John Lennox , then see if you are still laughing out loud !!
He has already done that
Thank God! No pun intended
Faith is taking the first step even when you don’t see the whole staircase.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
That is inference. Infering there is a staircase because you can see a step.
@@ohdehhan Faith is never based on facts. If we had all the facts we would not need faith. It is presumed here that most people have some idea of what a staircase is, and therefore when seeing the first step can recognize this to be the first step and have confidence that there are more. It is this confidence that leads to faith. Those that have no knowledge of staircases or what they are would not draw the same conclusion and therefore do not have faith that they are going up or down in the direction they wish to go.
In the same way, I believe in God the God of Abraham because of what I know, and for me, the evidence is in science "research in the work of God" and as the creator of all things seen and unseen. Why is it so difficult in accepting that a great meal is created by a chef or cook or an airplane flies because of engineering and design but the universe did not have a designer.
@@hermanushulsen9151 My point exactly. Beacuse most people have an idea what a staircase is, and they know in fact they exist, they can be confident in infering that there will be more steps. Not really the definition of faith (ie. Not being based on facts), is it?
On the other hand, someone with no idea what a staircase is taking the first step... That is faith.
@@ohdehhan The faith is not in the staircase, the faith is in where the staircase takes you up or down.
@@hermanushulsen9151 What difference does the direction of the staircase make?
On a lucrative mind
Scribes, in all religions, were paid big money to write about messages that the gods were giving to them, so of course, for each individual scribe to keep writing, was the greatest of temptations. Those many conflicting stories, is why, rather than uniting devotees, the stories divide devotees into right-fighting groups.
So one can't write about God(s) for free just for the hell of it?
@@DieElect What you write about is up to you.
@@junevandermark952 amen
I wouldn't pay the scribe for a single word beyond what I had dictated to him or what he had been contracted to copy. Anything extra, and he's just wasting his own ink and paper. In fact, if he hands me some messed up stuff I'd have to go back and correct, he can just keep it, and I'm not paying him at all. I'll just go find somebody else to do the job I want done.
@@OneEyedJack1970 Devotees would all only want scribes that would be willing to reflect their own systems of belief back to them.
The habit of those in religion, was to burn the scribes at the stake, if they dared to write anything against one's personal doctrine of "truth" from the supposed gods, or god.
Humans are the most ignorant animals on planet earth.
Lennox believes in the god of evidence not the God of Abraham
No john Lennox the reason Dawkins and Hawking say their is no God is because they have spent years working in their fields and have not found evidence that lead to a God! They dont have some idea to deliberately disprove God! This is a reason that shows how desperate Lennox is! Pehaps you should study the subjects and produce scientific papers instead of mocking something that you dont understand! John Lennox says that we sound dumb when we go outside our fields, exactly John Lennox this is what you have been doing for years in your debates when you have acted as though you understand the earth sciences!
No matter which religion, the problem with people reading words in books they believe contain holy information ... is ... they then want to become preachers, rather than students, and they want to instruct others how to be "saved,” or “enlightened” ... and all because ego doesn't have any way of controlling itself. Non-human animals don’t suffer from such mental blights. A person can't be searching for truth, while already claiming to know truth. The brag of knowing truth, smacks of nothing other than egoism. All we ever have, on which to re-lie, is "opinion."
You're preaching your opinion right now.
@@DieElect When I still believed that the universe was created by a god, those with other religious beliefs told me that I was in a cult. I finally came to conclude that they were right, and added that all of us that believed the universe was created by a god, were in cults. Now I believe we have two choices. We can either believe that the universe was created by an entity that designed suffering as part of its plan ... or, we can believe (as did Stephen Hawking, before he died) that the universe always existed, and will always exist ... no plan involved. I prefer the second choice.
@@junevandermark952 the universe could have been created by a being. It hasn't been ruled out scientifically.
@@DieElect At one time, most all those men who were labeled as being "scientists" were certain that the universe was created by a god, or gods. Of course back then, they also believed that disease in humans was a result of the gods being angry at human behavior, and that according to "god" women were not "persons" and therefore didn't have any right to vote.
@@DieElect The religious scientist, (which is an oxymoronic statement) Anthony Leewenhoek made the following statement in the book Microbe Hunters by Paul de Kruif … published 1926 … “Life lives on life-it is cruel, but it is God’s will,” he pondered.
When is John going to tell us about all the millions he's made from the God thing why did God decide to look after John and ignore all the people in the world starving isn't this a strange God
Let me tell you something, John is richer in his heart than you can ever be with this attitude. I do not agree with many aspects of his biblical teachings, however, he is a great Philosoph. And his thinking is evidence based not like yours. You think if you do not want to understand then how can you understand? This is exactly what your problem is with your question. I can give you the answer to your question, which even John does not dare to go there. Nevertheless, let the one find it who is searching for it like it would be the greatest treasure.
The bull crappy god does not exist this world is full of liars like Lennox
Man invented god not the other way around
God dont exist because of suffering you mean? So if God exist it should be no evil and no suffering? Strange you think like that..
@@enockt6218 then god is meaningless.
@@marksandsmith6778 because its suffering thats mean God is meaningless?
If suffering already have meaning how can you say its meaningless.
If someone want accomplished something, they will suffer to reach it.
Even you do that do you see yourself without meaning?
Go and listen to Jesus sermon on the mount you will get a glimp of it.
If god existed there would be no need to prove his existence
Please elaborate and explain your assertion.
@@hujintao3027 if god existed there would be no need to prove his existence because he would be perceived or at the very least be experienced by believers and non believers alike and since that’s clearly not the case it’s safe to say that god’s are man made and not the other way around. Furthermore, there would be no competition amongst, at present, approximately 4.300 gods which also means that every believer backs up my statement with regard to 4.299 gods :)
@@walterdaems57 I think you should go Haridwar
@@hujintao3027 maybe you would benefit much more from listening to someone like Osho to begin with and think and experience for yourself
@@walterdaems57 ok
At 54:15, modern integrated circuit layout often involves random layout steps. One may of course argue that this is "directed", but I still "trust" the results, even though the electronic chips have pseudo randomized designs. I have often found that Lennox doesn't know much about the science or engineering he discusses. I don't mind those convenient little stories that religious apologists often tell, but the ignorance combined with arrogance is sometimes a bit much. Btw, as far as I know, I've never met a scientist or engineer who doesn't believe in minds. Lennox, as usual, seems juvenile when he talks about such things.
sigh When will internet atheists stop being so vile? You can just disagree with something and not throw insults around.
It takes more faith to believe that something came from nothing than to believe that something came from an intelligent being. We iediatwly recognize that a dress was designed and made from an intelligent being. How much greater is our universe.
lol
Love John Lennox. He alone has help me see God exist and I believe my life has more meaning to know Who God is. Jesus came to show us the Lord.
In the beginning God. Why do we exist? Because God EXIST. Where is the problem. God is light. But Men love darkness better than light because there deeds are evil. God is LOVE that means you are loved. Love never fails.
@@paulwest8583 you are very confused
Dear@@mick1gallagher
Men's ratio tried to understand The Super Ratio, equals perplexity. Seek The Super Ratio with our hearts, not our brains. Shalom 🙏
@@merdekaify now you really are confused