The Story CHANGED Four Times! Diana Deep Dive...
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Shauna x When Meghan Markle told Oprah about her depression and her dark thoughts when pregnant with Prince Archie, it reminded people of another dark story told by Princess Diana in the Andrew Morton book "Diana - Her True Story"
In this video, I examine the first-hand accounts of what happened that day and measure it against a timeline that is very revealing.
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That's why people don't blame Charles anymore. Diana was not as innocent as we thought.
I was never that impressed with her. I was also skeptical of the fairy tale marriage. It was obvious from the beginning that she was basically a brood mare. And she was certainly not the Saint people want to make her out to be. Never believed any of the BS about how the RF or even the paparazzi murdered her.
People have come to realize that the real love story was that of Charles and Camila. She is the love of his life. He loved Diana as a human being and the mother of his children, but youth and beauty didn't changed his love for Camila. I am glad to see them happy at last.
It sounds as though Harry inherited the worst and William inherited the best traits from their mother.
Yes. Along with that Princess Diana made Princess William her emotionally disturbed sounding board calling him at all hours with her emotionally troubled whining while he was away at boarding school (documented)and conversely over indulged and kept Harry infantile which surely contributed to Harry's lack of maturity and accountability.
@@isabelgaynor2589 It's amazing that William was able to overcome such emotional burden to be the good man that he is today.
I agree he is remarkably grounded as a husband, father and now with Earth Shot as the only great World Leader we have too. Im one impressed American.
I have mellowed in my judgment of her over the years. More than anything, I feel sorry for her.
This is a very simplistic take. We are not all doomed to be clones of our parents, even though some traits are inherited. If we’re assigning characteristics (blame) where is Charles in the toxic mix then? Harry’s vehement detractors don’t seem to ever want to acknowledge that Charles was an absent father and not a very nice man in his own right. Nor that William is not a paragon who belongs on a pedestal. Both sides in this saga seem incapable of being impartial in even the smallest details. This tendency to lay this all at the feet of a dead woman is misguided and distasteful.
The more I know Diana, the less I like her and the more I can see why Meghan thinks she is Diana reincarnated.
Diana was despised before she died. The press were not holding back
What a sprinkle of nutmeg
Manipulative,confused,problematic.Changing constantly the narrative.Who does she remind me of?
And that similarity of behaviour was possibly a huge element of the attraction 'H' felt for his ILBW (ref:Southpark). That would have been amplified by his actress wife copying Diana's mannerism's and even wearing her perfume. By now that deluded woman may well have convinced herself she IS Diana!.
Yes, when Harry says meghan is like diana, believe him.... he knew her behind the closed doors...
Complete deja vu. In the Anderson Cooper interview, Harry deliberately imitated her body language and expressions down to the self satisfied smirk after repeating the 'three in the marriage' bit.
Boris Johnson? 😳
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@@EllieD.Violet Harry
I will add that the late Queen showed love and concern. She was not stoic and unfeeling
So apparently was Charles. Once he heard about the accident he took her out to lunch and a romantic vacation soon after. It sounds like Charles really did try to make it work with Diana, at least for some of the time, but she was extremely difficult to live with due to her illnesses. You can’t blame her for her mental health issues but you also can’t blame Charles for not understanding why she was being so difficult. It seemed doomed from the start, and then she goes and lies to Morton just out of frustration and spite. It’s not a good look for her, I’m afraid.
Seems to me there is quite a bit of pathology on both sides. QE2 wins as she has more chess pieces.
Who on earth said that being Stoic means unfeeling? Stoicism doesn't makes you a robot,what it does it takes the hysteria and drama out of the situation to allows you to think rationally, be sure you don't blame the innocent, you don't hurt others acting erratic. In tames the animal out of you to allow a civilized exchange of opinions.
Yes she was stoic, and one of the best public examples.
Read about it.
lol! The queen loving??? Are you serious? Ask Charles how “loving” his mother was!
@@newtexan1 Huggers and kissers may appear to be loving. Diana was "loving" but cruel exposing her children to all her dramas and tantrums.
Don't judge by the visuals.
Giving a child the prescribed medicine may appear to be cruel in the child's eye, but parenting while having a highly demanding job is not easy.
Love these deep dives into the stories and myths we all know so well. Diana was a total drama queen, and desperate for attention - I don't wonder that Charles just wouldn't buy into it. By the time Andrew Morton wrote his book - Diana was in full retaliation mode, and she certainly wasn't above twisting things to make her look hard done by, and to get the public on board. It was a very destructive gift that she had, and she certainly used it.
I agree but it's a bit harsh. She was 19 and the entire world (well a lot) were buying into the fairytale except her husband! That was a bitter pill to swallow. Everyone saw her as beautiful, entrancing but he thought her boring ,"vacuous". I think I might be a bit vengeful myself
@@mzrando well he had to live with her, so perhaps had a more accurate view.
@@mzrandoDiana knew it was an arranged marriage,but being 19 thought she could do it. The more Harry insists Megan is like her makes us look closer at her. Ruining her reputation
@@mzrando She was boring and vacuous though, she was only interested in minor things and had no interest in current events, or anything similar that you could actually have a decent conversation about.
@@mzrando She read far too many Barbara Cartland novels, I reckon she thought that was real life, but they were/are pure fantasy
For sure, Diana was one complex lady. It never cease to amaze me how easily the public take sides without doing the research. Your channel makes me want to read more. Thank you and have a great day!!🙏🏾
Diana, like Meghan, always gave whichever version of a story she thought would best serve her ends. There are far, far more similarities between Diana and Harry's wife than people realise, and not in a good way. Both manipulative, using the paparrazi for their own ends, changing their story, flat-out denial of proven facts, wilful blackening of the name and reputation of anyone in their sights, ostracising those they deem to have crossed them, discarding people no longer of use, love-bombing people - especially staff - to get them on side and improve her image ("my rock" Paul Burrell?) - Harry really has married his mother.
Couldn't agree more, however, it's worth also pointing out that Diana had a truly awful childhood that damaged her in quite significant ways and that caused serious mental health issues long before she married Charles. She probably wanted someone to 'rescue' her, something Charles was simply not qualified to do.
@@OdeInWessex I agree. Diana wanted to be rescued, but Charles also wanted to be rescued. They were both romantic and idealistic. It's sad really. I do believe they both tried to make it work. But two needy, romantics don't work.
That's why lady 'C' decided to hold off on her biography of Diana, Diana kept changing her stories, she came to realise she could use lady 'C' as a weapon but lady 'C' saw through her, and realised Diana was being manipulative.
@@LynneHancox Diana was manipulative and Harry is too.
I believe that a large, and maybe larger, part of his 'trauma' is a pitty play to excuse his bad behavior.
Diana also played for pitty painting Charles and Camilla black.
One of the biographers that accompanied Charles for a couple of months said that Princes run into Charles's arms as enthusiasticly as they run into Diana's. Photogrsphers just were interested.
That was bc the press was not interested. Threir narrative for the public consumption getting them higher ads revenues was StDiana vs villains Charles and Camilla. Although nobody accused Diana of lying when she admitted on Panorama that she was the first to take lover.
The press knew all along, but convenuently 'forgot' this part of the interview. They also know that Diana didn't mean Camilla is that 'tree in the marriage' quote.
@@nretik
I've only just learnt that after their divorce one of the agreements they reached was that they , Charles and diana, would share their times spent with william and Harry equally, and that was 40 days each.... each year!! So much for parenting, seeing the kids for just 80 days each year....makes a mockery of how much time parents without their means, spend with their children....
To my thinking, the simple fact that Diana would change The Queen to The Queen Mother illustrates her willingness to craft the narrative to her liking whenever she felt she needed to do so.
Recollections may vary indeed.
I disagree
Dianna actually let the RF know during her divorce that if they didn’t give her a decent settlement she, “Ulsan embroider her version of the marriage as needed to support herself.” In some places they call that a promise. In others blackmail.
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Diana is a piece of work, just like mm. They would never have gotten along as they’re too similar.
I think MM is still a few steps behind Diana when it comes to being psychotic.
Small changes in a story are one thing. Those happen to all of us as time passes following an event, but Diana made wholesale edits to her story. She was a true product of her parents' emotional DNA. Great research once again Shauna!
Interesting. Meghan never thought about the repercussions for claiming that she was suicidal while pregnant.
Yes! That didn’t get much attention did it?
The truth is often somewhere in the middle.
I adore and admire Princess Diana but with time I can see a few red flags.
When she passed she was elevated to almost saint hood but now we know she was only human.
Agreed
What an excellent comparison of the various versions of the story. I absolutely cannot stand people who use emotional blackmail to get their own way.
Seems just like her son Harry, that Diana’s recollections may vary. He’s a liar, just like his mum. Now I see the similarities with Markle, hence her appeal to him!!🇦🇺
It goes to show that the apple never falls far from the tree. Recollections may vary indeed!
True!
I think Diana's tape recordings to Andrew Morton were done at a time she wanted revenge on Charles and to get it out there in the public domain how deeply unhappy she was at that time. So alot of rewriting of history was involved. All that "lamb to the slaughter" business on her wedding day was false to those of us who witnessed the wedding, honeymoon, her falling pregnant in no time at all, and, as you rightly describe, scenes of their romantic kissing in the sea. No doubt later the marriage fell apart but Diana was an arch manipulator herself, and was happy to chase after married men on several occasions. In the case of Will Carling, then discard him when his marriage fell apart. Charles, to his credit, since that unflattering Dimbleby interview where he admitted adultery, has never said a bad word against Diana, or revealed to Dimbleby she had a list of affairs first. She barely wanted to admit to Hewitt on Panorama but Bashir insisted. Charles has copped the flak for 30 years, silently. Saying this doesn't mean I didn't love and admire Diana, we all did, and found the Morton revelations hard to believe at the time. It just means now we realise Diana wasn't a Saint herself, inspite of the way she's characterised by US TV, and Morton's book was not wholly accurate, which makes the broadcasting now of 30 year old tapes a rewriting of history being put in the public domain. Shame on Morton for doing so, as if he hasn't made enough cash out of Diana. But in 2023 what does the actual truth matter? You're doing a great job to research and highlight the truth. 🥰
The truth always matters. Especially when the person whose reputation was wrongly damaged is now sitting on the throne.
The truth DOES matter, because Charles is still alive and deserves respect for what he put up with, rather than Diana being given the mindless support of masses (who have no knowledge of her borderline personality disorder destroying herself and those around her).
Let us give the RF the credit for learning. Princess Catherine had time and help and adequate medical care for her horrible sickness when she was pregnant.
Agree, but physical medical issues are easier to accept & understand like severe morning sickness, than thought, neurological, psychological which deserve more compassion. We all can learn & understand better.
Catherine also had a strong mother to look after her and advocate for her.
@@rachelselby4329The women tthat come from solid families have faired well in the recent RF: (i.e. Camilla, Catherine, Sophie); Those that don't, not so much (Diana, Fergie, Meghan).
@@honestea1828 i heard that Camilla's grandmother was a mistress of Charles' great-grandfather. Solid family!
@@jafrin0115actually, Camilla's *great great grandmother* Alice Keppel... I'm not sure about you, but my great great grandmother didn't really feature heavily in and influence my upbringing. So a bit of a useless comment, dont you think?
Diana seems to have lied a lot.
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Well what proofs that she did ?
@@user-nx2vg6vm2q Did you watch the same video I did? The proof is everywhere. The Bashire interview, for one. Google it up.
The commonality between Diana and Meghan is this: neither one ever admits that they might have done better, or made some kind of error, or are capable of being fallible. They rearrange the deck chairs--even in retrospect--in a way that erases weakness and casts them in the heroic role. I believe Diana's subtext in almost everything--good or bad--she did was to earn back the love of a father who cruelly abandoned her. As for Meghan, who the heck knows....!
It was widely known that Diana had quite serious mental health issues - long before she was pregnant with William. She suffered from bulimia and her admitting to it actually helped draw attention to mental health and wellbeing.
Indeed she was very brave to come forward.
And can we please keep into consideration her AGE at the time of the incident, she was barely an adult¡ not old enough to drink legally in the US for example. Her reaction to whatever fight she was having was exaggerated, but her story in the tapes feels true in my opinion.
Oh please, the age argument has been overused as an excuse as much as the race card Meghan uses. @@shaimaamagdy4573
@@shaimaamagdy4573The tapes are filled with lies. It was totally APR stunt. So she wouldn't lose custody in the divorce. Her mother also committed a deltry and she lost her kids in the divorce
The more I hear about the real Diana (not the book), the more she is looking not so good. I’m thinking the truth does eventually come out, even if you’re that popular and dead. I’m thinking karma will always come for you even if you’re a dead, popular icon. Thank you Harold and Rachel. I hope karma gets you thrice fold and when you’re still alive so you can see the end results of your actions. I also hope it’ll be sooner than later. Ty for your insight on this.
Thanks for watching!
So she’s a liar. Well, that doesn’t surprise me, honestly. I understand she had mental health issues and a difficult childhood but she was a grown woman with children and she was willing to do or say anything out of spite to destroy their father. She was also the first one to have affairs. I’m really starting to think that all of the blame Charles has endured for years is really unfounded for the most part. Maybe he was insensitive and maybe even cold but she sounds like she was an absolute nightmare to deal with and people didn’t understand mental health issues in the same way we do now. Her life is a tragedy, but in many ways I blame the media for profiting by photographing and reporting on her every move and the public for obsessively needing to know everything about her.
So glad our dear Prince William survived! Horrific to think the "spare"... would have been first in line!
You only have to look at the way Diana and her siblings treated their step mother. She wasn't all sweetness all the time. Maybe they didn't get along with their step mother for reasons we are not aware of but she had faithfully nursed their father for a number of years prior to his death. It takes a particularly cold hearted person to literally throw an elderly lady out of her home with her belongings in rubbish bags just two days after her husband's death.
Diana only mended her relationship with her step mother after her separation from Charles. Maybe the plan was to get as many people on her side as she could muster? Who knows.
I have always thought Diana was very manipulative.
It seems Diana fell out with her own mum and they weren't speaking to each other for six months before Ds death.
This is such a sad story. One of an arranged marriage between unsuited people. They were so different - she was young and inexperienced and he was older and been around quite a bit. They had totally different interests. On top of that, while it seems Diana did love Charles, it was not reciprocated in the same way. I have no doubt he cared for her, but she was chosen by their families because she was suitable to be a virgin bride and to provide heirs. The environment in which Charles grows up made him spoilt and selfish to a certain extent. He expected his life to continue as before, whereas Diana wanted the family life she missed as a child. I don’t think we will ever know the extent of their misery; suffice to say they were an ill matched couple. However, two boys were the result of the union, one of which, William, is a credit to his parents and his country.
He is 💗
Well said!
Well she certainly wasn't a virgin bride, she had quite a few boyfriends before she married Charles, a couple of whom were definitely serious.
Always said it was an arranged marriage not a love match. She was too young to understand the rules and family manipulation
If only the firm had let him marry Camilla.
Fascinating topic. Harry is definitely his mother's son. (eyeroll) And his wife clearly studied and cribbed off of her mother-in-law. Call me cynical, but I don't beelieve that either woman would have ever seriously contemplated suicide, especially while pregnant.
Ive thought maybe they had depression some women get while pregnant. I didn’t experience depression during pregnancy, thankfully. Discomfort, true.
I never believed that Charles was cruel and uncaring and never loved Diana. I used to live in the UK in 80s and 90s and Royal Reporters who followed C&D in the early days said Charles was besotted and couldn't keep his hands off her. Diana herself told her voice coach that, in the beginning, Charles was like a puppy dog following her around and was all over her like "a bad rash". I think he probably just tired of the drama and the rows and a gulf widened. I can imagine Charles was frustrated by reporters reporting on what Diana wore rather than what Charles was giving speeches on. Does that make him jealous of her? That was Diana's interpretation. I believe she changed the narrative with Morton to gain public sympathy. If Charles was as awful as Diana painted him to be, why did she tell Camilla she still loved him and how could his second marriage be such a success. I recently read Morton's book for the first time, and I couldn't see what started the ill feeling between D&C. Maybe it was her affair with Barry Mannikee. Ken Wharfe's book is also an interesting read....Lady C is very cynical about Diana - Diana wanted to contribute to Lady C's book but Lady C didn't agree to tweak the narrative so Diana went to Morton instead. Lady C said Charles's affair with Camilla didn't start up again until a meeting was set up by friends who were worried about Charles because his marriage had disintegrated. I err on the side of believing her because she is so well connected.
I guess we will never know, but what Lady C wrote made the most sense to me of all the things I read about Diana. 🤷
The friends in question have corroborated the statement as well, they were afraid he would do something really really stupid (I'll leave what to your imagination) and hoped Camilla could get him to talk about what was going on.
Diana, herself, said that when Charles found out about her affair with James Hewitt it was then that he went back to Camilla and never touched her again.
@@abbatrouble…which makes sense for any partner. Particularly when any further child is in the line of succession! It is sad because I have recently thought that Charles had probably envisaged at least one more child, like the Queen had. It is shocking that, with Harry out of the picture, there is just William in this generation.
@@StStStS Diana's butler said that Diana was "dating" Hewitt for almost 2 years before Harry was born so it is quite probable that Hewitt is Harry's father.
It sounds like princess Diana had a habit of revising history. That doesn't play in her favour. Diana had a great deal of issues, but I'm glad you've shown a light on this one and it redeems her.
I’m not sure Fisna is redeemed here; I see her now as manipulative and a bit immature. I actually never did believe she threw herself down the stairs and if she had, I thoght “ghastly!”
Diana! Sometimes spellcheck messes up, not that I’m perfect.
kind of like the fire in Africa where Archie wasn't even in the room.
Thank you ive enjoyed this video, I must say the more I hear about Diana's antics the less im liking her, and watching H and his wife is like history repeating itself
The Queen in a room overheard. Sounds like they all live together in a semi detached.😂
In palaces, the rooms, corridors etc are like echo chambers. If they were shouting, I’d dare say it could be heard down to the guards’ room 😁
In the last couple of years of her life, Diana reconciled with Charles and they built quite a healthy relationship for an ex-couple. Diana also rebuilt her relationship with the Queen and they were quite close. Diana said that she’d regretted giving those interviews and doing the book… It’s sad the way it all happened. There was a lot of manipulative behaviour, lies, Martin Bashir’s appalling twisting of truth to get her to say so much of what crushed any hope of repairing that marriage, and of course her affairs that humiliated Charles and her children.
Diana’s childhood was awful. Neglected by her parents, her brother (the saintly Charles Spencer) bullied her and even denied her entrance to her childhood home when she asked to stay there once during her marriage. She had an overly-romantic view of marriage and was completely naive about love generally. She thought Charles would save her like in all the romantic novels and films, but of course Charles was a grown man with a broken heart himself after being denied permission to marry Camilla and told he had to get a ‘suitable’ wife. They didn’t really know each other well and it was a bit of a set up, one of the last arranged royal marriages.
Diana was a very troubled soul and was never going to make anyone a happy wife, because she’d never been truly happy and loved, and didn’t know how to be. It’s astonishing that poor Charles, who stayed faithful right up until the point where he found out she had been unfaithful to him with her security guard (and only got back in touch with Camilla then) has been cast as the villain of the piece, unfaithful and cold, while Diana - who had multiple messy affairs leaving devastation in her wake every time - has been cast as the innocent, saintly, hard done by loyal wife. She was certainly not above telling lies, exaggerating for her own benefit or twisting reality into a mangled version.
The marriage was never going to work. It was a car crash. Charles tried his best but had loved Camilla for too long and couldn’t understand the complex young woman who turned his life upside down and left him confused and bitter. Diana tried her best, but had none of the tools to make anyone happy for long. She was drama, pure and simple, and remained that way until the end. It was Diana who called the paparazzi in Paris before the infamous car chase that ended in her death…
Harry is much like his mum, and unfortunately Meghan does have has some of Diana’s worse qualities, but without of course any of her great generosity, warmth or compassion. They are both narcissists and are a match made in hell. Their relationship will implode in the end, once they’ve destroyed everyone and everything else they can. But it will have destroyed forever Harry’s relationship with his family and the country. Only a public, abject apology and explanation could help, and he will never do that. Narcissists don’t. He’ll maybe come back one day crawling round the edges, but no one in the family can or will fully trust him again. Very sad.
Just my opinions
I love hearing about how Charles and Diana got along better after their divorce. I especially love hearing about what Diana’s friend Simmone Simmons had to say about it. She said that when Laurens Van Der Post (Charles’ adviser and William’s godfather passed away), that she “offered her sympathy, he responded in kind, and they started calling each other. He then started popping around to Kensington Palace for a cup of tea and a chat” (Tina Brown has also said that they chatted over tea).
I also love hearing about how Diana rebuilt her relationship with the Queen too. This morning I read an article that talked about how “Diana was the problem and not Fergie”, and how “the Queen was afraid of Diana”. They were talking about the early 90s so those things may have been true then, but I love to hear that things got better later on. In the same page that she talked about Charles and Diana “calling each other after the divorce”. I think that in the last 8 months of her life, the relationship between Diana and Charles was better than the one between Harry and Meghan right now. Simmone Simmons also said that “The Queen invited Diana to Christmas in 1996”. Diana didn’t accept the invation, but it says a lot that she was invited, especially when Fergie wasn’t and she was closer to the Queen than Diana was (though there was the whole Prince Phillip thing).
I love how you said that Diana had some of Meghan’s worst qualities but none of her “great genoristy, kindness, warmth, and compassion”. I’ve been thinking, “if Meghan’s so like Diana where’s the part she offers sympathy to one of the royal family members that she was feuding with (reconciliation with William and Kate). Where’s the reconciliation without expecting the royal family members to apologize. Where’s the part where she lets her youngest child spend time with their royal family members. Where’s the part where, after the fighting, Meghan attempts to spend time with the royals at an event that isn’t a funeral. I know that all this might not be possible for Meghan to do, but Diana did do all these things. If Meghan really wants to follow in Diana’s footsteps, then maybe she should try doing one of these things as well. Meghan read the “Diana book” but stopped before the final chapter.
@@uniquelyautisticlyemma1789 absolutely :) I actually don’t think she did read the Diana book (not in a sense of trying to understand the woman herself) - but if she did, she cherry picked enormously. If she read that book at all, i think it was as part of a deliberate attempt to ‘learn’ Diana as a character in her own drama, because she was the most talked about woman in the world before her death, and the one thing MM has always wanted is fame and to be talked about. Plus I think she thought acting like Diana would help her snag a rich British guy. As many have said, since the year before she met Harry, this has been her biggest acting role ever. Her own life wasn’t panning out the way she wanted - she had failed relationships, no house of her own, and was now being written out of Suits. It was all failing, so she did a major rebranding of herself as the modern day Saint Diana, upping her PR spending…hence the trip to Africa and other ‘charity’ works to rewrite her CV. I don’t think she ever really thought she’d snag Harry, but when she made the connections and could get close to him, I think she threw her all at it. I’m betting she’d studied Harry too - down to the last sordid detail. She knew exactly what bitter little buttons to press to get him under her spell, and she also knew he wasn’t the brightest. So once he was snagged, she got him to sing like a canary (betting she recorded everything) and probably egged him on to say all sorts of real and imagined stuff about his family and how mean they were and how William got all the breaks and how unfair everyone was. Imagine the bitter BS that fell out of that man’s mouth when he had a willing and captivated listener in his bed… We’ve seen his interviews and the lies he smoothly tells as he rewrites his own history are astounding.
I suspect she blackmailed him as I think she did the whole family. Threats to reveal secrets, to spread lies, to accuse the family of r*c*sm… i bet they’d never experienced such a cold, calculated individual ever before. Even Wallis had some decent qualities. It must have been so horrific for the late Queen and PP to realise what they’d let into their midst and what she was doing.
Unfortunately she’s not a very good actress, so we get glimpses of the mask slips, the contempt, the arrogance and the selfishness that are (I think) MM’s true character. She doesn’t seem to have any real empathy, kindness, warmth or generosity. Diana, for all her faults, has those things in part because she had such an unhappy childhood. MM had a very happy childhood, and she has zero understanding of those things because at heart she is just a narc, pure and simple. It’s all about her. Other people are merely window dressing in her biopic.
MM naturally has Diana’s worst qualities and then merely acts out her best qualities. That’s my belief. And the combination is disturbing. It’s almost dystopian. You can feel it. I think that’s why none of her multiple attempts at rebranding haven’t helped. People can just sense that there’s something off very about her. And let’s fact it, her actions do not line up at all with her flowery speeches about compassion, family and empowering women.
Imho, of course. I wish I was wrong about her, and Harry too. But I don’t think I am. Sad.
Has anyone ever tried to throw themselves down a set of stairs? Doesn't sound even a bit plausible to me.
I would be way to scared! Especially pregnant, no way!
Agree, so many easier ways to make a cry for help which is what most attempts are. You just have to say it. I don’t think she would risk the baby, which is what she realised was wrong about her story later.
You wouldn't 'try', any attempt would surely succeed given the shape of the apparatus!
I have vertigo. Falling down stairs is my greatest fear
@@OdeInWessextrue that .
The more I hear about Diana the more I go "poor Charles". For all his faults he has come across as someone who hates exaggerated soap opera drama and it was his bad luck Diana loved exactly that.
I don’t have any empathy for Charles in this story.
Then you should read more biographies on Charles. Might I suggest Rebel King by Tom Bower.
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Tom bawor can't be fully trusted, he wrote charles takes his valet's help in putting tooth paste on brush and he help him get dressed up and wear shoes etc... but he forgot to mention that valet only helped charles in those things because in early 90's charles broke his right hand when he fell of the horse while playing polo. He had to go through 2 surgery otherwise he could have loose his hand. after he recover he stopped taking his valet's help in those things.
@@krishnavyas313 Bower is careful what he writes so as not to get sued. I doubt he would recount those details with the purposeful intention of having them be misconstrued when it could easily be explained by a temporary illness. He may have his biases but he’s not stupid.
@@iwillstom Tom bawor says half truth, that's saves him from getting sue. He also don't mention important context.
Hmmm...at this point it is interesting but I don't care. She probably tripped. It was only three stairs. Why did I have a Scarlet O"Hara vision of her tumbling down a massive staircase?
Same!
Poor Diana didn’t have an example of strong and loving family. Her mother leaving the family caused many Diana’s mental issues 😢😢😢
Well, the other two daughters of Earl Spencers marriages seem to be okay.
@@user-ny3on8vh1v yes, it is great that they entered into lasting marraiges & children born into it were provided "stable 2 parent under one roof" upbringing. The husband's lives were rooted & stable not subject to high profile buzz & variables?
Their relationships & lives are /were private.
They were also 4&6 years older than Diana... Into middel-childhood... hopefully more prepared /resiliant in those growing in independance, tween years.
The one that dated Charles did have eating disorder & may also not have coped with having healthy boundaries between private & personal if she had to develop her "brand".
Diana would perhaps have had the same kind of marraige had she not married "up" into the RF.
She was young, needy romantic and Charles, at 14 yrs older the same IMHO.
I don't know what their families around them were thinking... forget, the virginal thing... They thought this rather blank slate could be moulded... That she suddenly would develop interest that mesh with Charles? What did they have in common bar being elite.?
It shows harry is just like her. & his horrible wife has copied everything bad about her. Thats beyond creepy. Robert jobson said "if we wrote the truth about diana no one would like her". Intresting. 🤔Charles could easily have been the victim from the start to her irrational moodswings, depression, nasty and rude behaviour & paranoia yet hes the one who has been vilified by her in perpetuity. He said before that camilla, being an old friend, was just his shoulder to cry on while he was married. Puts a very different slant on things
Like mother like son! We can see where Hank gets his ability to lie without conscience from and also where he learned to be a "victim."
How many times did she trip, throw herself or slip on stairs through out her marriage?
The honeymoon was another time Diana changed her story. Her own written and verbal accounts from the time say how Charles didn't deserve her histrionics (which she attributed to leftover stress and tiredness from the wedding) and how wonderful, kind, patient and supportive he was of her. They purportedly were all lovey dovey. In her 1990s account, suddenly the Camilla photos and cufflinks were injected and Charles was aloof and busied himself with books and painting away from her.
There are other times she contradicted herself in other matters as well which supports Lady C's assertion that Diana deliberately changed her story along the way.
TBH, the more I hear about Diana's behavior, the less I like her, and I was someone who REALLY liked and admired her. I know she was young when she got married, but there are no excuses for some of the stunts she pulled. Harry and his wife have managed to sully a lot of people's memories of her. I also believed that if she had lived, she would have tarnished people's perception of her.
Narcissistic revision of history to put herself in the best light. Rather like her younger son’s wife.
What do I think of all the onion layers, that Diana was also a lying manipulative madam and indeed Haz has married his mother.
To their credit. H and m have given rise to alot of questionable actions of his beloved mum.
I think Diana suffered from prenatal depression, (prepartum blues), during her pregnancy with William. And she suffered of postpartum blues after she gave birth to Harry. I suppose her doctors didn't realise that. I'm not a specialist, but based on my own experience, I'd say she had those problems. The only moments when she had behaved in a desperate and exaggerated manner, were before she gave birth to William and after she gave birth to Harry. Rest of the time she was a woman full of life, who loved music, dance, fashion, she had friends, she travelled, she laughed, she had fun. PS Shauna, I love your videos! 💖
Diana had BPD and behaved erratically before, throughout and after her time with the RF.
@@honestea1828 Exactly.
attempting to throw her step mother down the stairs happened way before she got married and had babies.
@@honestea1828 is that written anywhere? BPD I would expect it to be difficult to cover it up. She definitely exhibited traits of it.
@@thevocalcrone By Diana's own account and description, she ticked every box of BPD. Most only saw her for short intervals before the camera (and there were still a few episodes even then). There are varying degrees and subtypes but it definitely drove her behavior, actions and impacted relationships.
Lamb to the slaughter? That was an arranged marriage and she knew it. To her ex employer she said how embarrassing would it be if Charles didn't picked her. She was aware she was not the only candidate, the same way she was aware of his relationship with Camila.
Accepted , a 20 years old wishful thinking that he was going to fall madly in love with her is not a surprise. The public wanted the fairy tale and the media gave it to them until it was obvious that the story was falling apart.
What is rarely mentioned is Diana's own story of pushing her step mother down the stairs. Worthy of reviewing the recordings of her voice trainer.
And there folks, is where Diana and Harry's wife ARE similar 🙈🚫🙈
Diana was as good as Megsy at exaggerations and manipulation. One difference though, she did a lot of good
Sounds Like Diana Changed Her Stories, Like Harry And Meghan Like To Change Their Stories. Good Grief!
I remember seeing tapes after her death where she stated that she threw herself down the stairs. The PR guy that was helping her with public speaking released them. So many versions.
I'm late to this show and I'm catching up on broadcasts that I missed. This was a great one, Shauna! The more I hear about Diana, I truly see how her personality is very troubled and much like Meghan. The Housekeepers Diary that you are about to finish opens the door wide on that scenario. Harry and Meghan both have mental health issues and look what the are trying to achieve! Holy smokes.!
Good day shauna and all ❤❤,,at this point i literally have no idea ,which part is true When Diana was alive i loved her i am of similar age looks and had 2 sons ,in 80 and 81 ,yes they are 11 months between ,i was a young mother ,🤣🤣😳 Anyway at the time ,i was one of those that believed everything she said ,,did not like charles , still a bit iffy now to be fair 🧐 and blamed them for her death ,,as a LOT of us did ,,but as you get older ,and wiser ,you hear different sides and stories , it certainly has taken my Rose coloured glasses off ,,and now i am realising ,a lot she did WAS for attention ,and realised how petty and childish she could be ,,as well as loving ,caring empathetic ,,and a very doting mother ,,,As we say ,there are two sides to every story ,,and now ,i want to hear both before i make judgements ,,unless with meghan , we can SEE with our own eyes She is a liar ,totally ,,i really dont know truly ,her mental state ,,none of us really will ,,but Harry is not helping keep dragging his mother up ,with that toxic he married ,,They need to leave her alone ,,poor william ,to this day he says his mothers death still hurts ,,but with grace maturity and a wonderful heart ❤️ He just gets on with it 😢 😊
The mattress has never been depressed,she is too egotistical for that.
If she had thrown herself downstairs when pregnant with Harry then that would explain so much 🤭 I don't think she would have intentionally endangered her baby she was just trying to make Charles look like a cad. You make my day I really love your deep dives
People with BPD will do such acts for the endless attention craved. Eating disorders is another manifestation and malnutrition in the womb is a precursor for mental deficits which Harry most likely has. Schizophrenia is another which runs on Dad's side of the family and Harry also suits (it's hard to sort him out with all the drugs).
But she said both before and after the Morton book that she tripped by accident, and that seems to have been witnessed by a staff member. It was her lie to Morton that was her way of trying to make Charles a cad. Now after all this time we learn she lied the whole time? What an incredibly cruel thing to do to Charles, who is the father of her children.
@@honestea1828 it could all be due to MH issues or D could be a bitterly disappointed woman prepared to say anything to teach KC a lesson. Harry is again bitterly disappointed, he still sees himself as the spare when in fact that's Charlotte's role now. He can't let it go and carve his own road - I imagine he sings 'it should've been me" quite frequently - just a thought
@@mzrando A good thought but the MH issues and vengefulness are not necessarily mutually exclusive and can go hand-in-hand.
@@mzrando as for the current spare, _Charlotte_ will _have_ a proper role, most likely. If all goes well and the way it should, George will be king, and Charlotte will be the next _Princess Royal_ after Anne. So she _will_ have a certain role and place, regardless of what else happens. Now Louis... they'll have to figure out something for him as the "spare spare"; or allow him to follow his own path early enough. Just my 2¢. 🤷
Charles and Diana were a union that shouldn’t have happened. The good thing to come from it is our wonderful William, Prince of Wales. For that we have to count our blessings.
I agree
The more stories I hear about Diana’s antics, lies and self absorption, it cements the fact that people can be exceptionally beautiful on the outside and exceptionally ugly on the inside! Sad that Harry is now reliving his father’s life with the same kind of woman. With the exception that Diana was naturally physically beautiful and Meghan is a surgically altered beauty.
It’s not easy to speak about someone who’s died. Especially someone you emulated when young, but then didn’t understand when you were approaching your mid 30s. I was a year younger than the late Princess. Each of my sons a year younger than hers. I learned a lot watching her with Prince William, and Harry. Even though I’d babysat a lot of babies, she was a natural. it’s all unfortunate but the past is a fixed point the commonwealth is going well and I hope Princess Diana found a peace in death, I don’t think she ever had in her entire life. Her whole life was complicated.
The red flag for me was when she said she was upset because Charles always offered his mum and grandma a drink before her. Hello. Isnt that supposed to be the way? Because theyre our mom and grandma. Never mind for Diana, one was the Queen and the other the Queen Mother. Imagine if she felt so entitled when she just got married, how her self important and demanding she got afterwards.
AM transcribed from Diana’s tapes, faithfully. Whether she was being truthful then remains to be seen. Thank you
Sorry, but Diana must have been really, really mentally unbalanced.
You dug around and thanks to you, truth will out.
Whenever relationships are discussed I always think of Bruce Springsteen saying that his mom and dad were just two people trying to get along in the world but it took him many years to see this. When I see how Diana and Charles acted, I have pity for both of them because they were two people trying to figure out their lives and expected to get it right from the get-go in full view of the world.
Thank you so much for your insightful reviews, I love them. You have a great sense of humour and I appreciate how down to earth your views are. I loved the chat yesterday and look forward to many more. As winter approaches in good old Blighty, it will be heart warmng to hear your soothing Ozzy tones. They remind me of cosy Sunday afternoons with my family, back in the 1960s, eagerly watching Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.on our black and white TV. A real favourite! Keep up the great work!!
Anyone who has ever watched gone with the wind knows better than to argue on stairs.... especially whilst pregnant
When I imagined the Di down the stairs scenario, I always pictured Scarlet in Gone With the Wind. Tres Dramatique! And the substitution of the Queen Mum, who really disliked Di, from the Queen, seemed very manipulative. People trip, things happen. But to do it with intent, I don’t believe that would have ever been an option. And in 1995, Diana wanted out, thus just added salt to the wound.
Diana definitely Did NOT want out of the marriage and fought tooth and nail to prevent it! She never loved her husband but LOVED being princess of Wales.
This was fascinating - I didn't know any of this! But - with true evidence (the tapes) - I can see why many now refer to Diana as a master of manipulation of the press in the 90's when it suited her needs. I see her in a very different light.
I have read many books about Diana. I have great sympathy for Queen Camilla and King Charles. Not to excuse Harry, however perhaps mental illness is inherited from his mother.
Agree. Maybe King Charles knows that and that is why he does nothing to punish Harry.
Postpartum depression is a serious condition that Lady Diana suffered from, including anxiety and suicidal thoughts. She married too young, and became pregnant too soon, hardly knew Prince Charles and felt lost in a Royal Family environment. Everything was done seemingly in a hurry to see Charles finally married and become a father. As we know today, all went wrong. In the meantime, MM read everything about Diana and as usual she has no original thoughts: she decided to copy paste Diana exactly with the same symptoms but not the stairs in case "these were successful" ... if you know what I mean. She is a liar and on that note, she disrespected Diana big time. *Look forward to your input Shauna* 😊 Greetings from Cairns 🐟🌴🥭🦘
Interesting take on the situation 😅
A crush as a young girls. A family looking for the best situation for himself and the RF were looking for a woman with no past, to make headlines. Diana really was given away by her father, to have one child that would give Father Spencer, the status he was seeking.
Yes!!! Exactly my thoughts- in particular Harryswife disgusted me with her idiotic and false claims she made about her suicidal ideation. Straight from Princess Diana’s genuine struggles with mental health. You’re the first person to comment on this fraudulent act of Methane’s
Do I need to pay to comment? Not sure about live protocols 🤷🏻♀️
In those days ppl married around 18. I think Diana was in love with being in love. I do believe Charles and Camilla had a son and because she was Catholic abortion was ruled out. Camilla went missing in action and Charles was plonked on a ship. They never fell out of love imo and tbh I'm not shocked about the birth. I don't think the truth will come out in our lifetime though 🤔
Terrific research as always, thank you!
Another story of truth showing Diana’s manipulation to make sure Charles would pay dearly for affair with Camilla
How would the version of throwing herself down the stairs because of an argument between spouses, make her look good? That would be a horrible and manipulative thing to do.
Charles saying he was going out horse riding and not giving in to Diana repeatedly doing that to him (manipulating him), siunds very much like everyone thinks Harry should have done when Meghan turns on her crap. Charles acted like a normal.person not a ridiculous sucker.
Diana had mental health issues from when she was a child. I recall Earl Spencer saying that he used to be frightened by her behaviour.
Her brother, I presume (and not her father)?
@@thekingsdaughter4233yes, her brother, I don’t think her father really cared or understood her
I was a huge Diana fan back in the day. The more of the truth I learn, while I can understand what she went through, I can see where Harry gets his entitled drama queen personality from and it’s disappointing.
Hi. I just read the book by Lady Colin Campbell about Princess Diana “The Real Diana” and I was surprised to see so many similarities between Diana, Harry and Megan. The similarities are thought provoking.
Really? I found more similarities in Tina Brown’s book. Interesting! 😊💗
I appreciate your perspective. Though the years i have developed the opinion that no one will truly know the whole story of the RF, there is the public persona and the private reality with plenty of gaslighting on both sides of any given topic, at least that is my personal opinion. I can say that there is not enough tea in China to entice me to desire to be a member of The Firm, the infidelity, stress, press criticism to mention just a few issues would be at best daunting living in a fish bowl. I've been a royal watcher for decades, enjoyed the entertainment, however at this point in time i have grown weary with it all. Just my disappointment and opinion of it all. Thank you for your post! Cheers!
Very interesting info
Like Mother like son ! Diana was a manipulating person who made up story's. Harry has followed in her footsteps has done the same. Changing the story like this, I have sympathy for Charles
Can't wait for this video!
I think you may be overlooking one point. It is that her memory was very likely affected by her violent changes of emotion. I am sure she lied at times but I have been close to people with personality disorders (and she was borderline) who falsely accuse others when they are triggered, and I think they honestly believe what they are saying. Then they go back to what passes for normal and history reverts back to the original version.
Diana once said you should keep your enemy guessing. I think this was her way of explaining to herself why even she couldn’t control what she was going to do next. And also to portray it as a strength not a weakness. I thank God every day that I have a reasonably stable sense of reality. I couldn’t stand the stress, especially being in public life. And I think neither could she.
1:23 The stairs incident didn't occur in 1992.
Thank you for all your research. Great video
If I recall Lady C mentioned that she was going to do the book on Diana but she changed her mind and Andrew Morton did the book.
Thank you for doing the book reviews. You are even handed and like all good reviewers give good reasons for everything.
I also enjoyed your late night chats.
Yes but this twist was years after that!
@@thevintageread
In meghans own words...
" a lie can not live forever "
Probably the truest thing she's said, apart from, "I'm such a fraud"
there was a journalist who was hired (diana approved) to write about her and rhe journalist quit bc diana either kept changing the story or would deny she said what she said.
Wow, Shauna! This analysis has me thinking I was too hard on the royal family. Sad when you realize the hero of your youth was really a flawed human like everyone else. However, I will always admire Diana.
incedible research. You're really good. thank you.
I appreciate that!
Great Video, well researched 🎉
Thank you!
Excellent analysis 🧐
Love your channel !
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Diana certainly was a complicated person.
Hiya ~ Thanks for this one and the bedtime gossip video. Love both.
I remember reading the Morton book, the day it was released here (in the States) and the stair story was horrible. I remember thinking, Diana & Charles, needed to be in counseling, with the right counselor. I couldn’t envision a pregnant woman doing that. You mentioned it was 3 steps, is that correct across the board? I thought it was a huge staircase, like in Buckingham Palace. I think Charles wasn’t emotionally mature in those days.
It seems like a couple lifetimes ago. I’d had pictures of him on my bedroom walls, as a teenager. But I felt really let down about their relationship. It took a few years before I was able to watch him do anything. I was glad when he married Camilla.
Total Tangent ~ Have you any hard bound novels of Georgette Heyer?
Thanks again, for the excellent content. Patty fm Philly.
Why do you all call it changing the narrative? Or rearranging words or editing the story? She was simply lying. All the time. No excuse for that, not even depression.
I think it is phrased that way because no-one is really sure which is the true account! 😂
@@thevintageread haha... Even in best case only one version is true, so she lied anyway too often. She was so broken, she wouldn't be able to tell now herself probably which was true
Sometimes people quit listening or get their backs up if you say a person was lying but saying they changed the narrative, they're more open minded to hearing all versions
Such an interesting comparison! Loved it!
Thanks 💗
I really don't think King Charles could handle Diana , not a good match, but I think deep down they really liked each other ,we make mistakes in life, and their marriage was a mistake like many other marriages?
Great video! 👍👍👍
Like Meghan, Diana’s narcissistic traits also led to a lie about self harm meant to get sympathy and make her “enemies” look like horrible, cruel, people who could care less about her or the results of their mistreatment. But UNLIKE Meghan, though indefensibly delayed, Diana does seem to have eventually realized how selfish, unacceptable, and wrong it would have looked for her to throw such a tantrum in order to get what she wanted that she’d even think about doing something so dangerous while pregnant. While Meghan’s never appeared to have realized how selfish, cruel, irresponsible, and egotistical her claims about seriously considering self-checkout while so far along actually sound to sane people. Not to mention the claim that she’d supposedly made Harry suffer through her telling him exactly how she was planning to do it in graphic detail if he was ever to leave her alone again.
Wow, things come to light, thank for your research…..
You're very welcome
Well done!!!
Thanks 😊💗
I think it emphasises just how much of the victim narrative that Harry got from Diana and utilises it today. His wife is just a nasty piece of work and she said all that, to have a go at Charles. You can see in various photo's and things of Diana looking wistful and sad, and I have heard from journalists, who say, she posed deliberately like this, then as soon as it was finished, she got up and walked away laughing.